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bradb[ ]  hoary mozilla-firefox12:14
bradbetc.12:14
bradbKinnison: would that UI make sense to you (leaving the wording tweaking, etc. to mpt)?12:15
KinnisonSeems fairly sane12:16
bradbcool12:16
KinnisonAlthough I'd seriously recommend against touching the publishing history stuff for this week12:16
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bradbsounds good. i prefer to keep a safe distance from it for now. ;)12:16
bradbgf arrives in 15 mins and i'm BIKINILESS12:16
KinnisonRenaming BinaryPackage to BinaryPackageRelease, SourcePackagePublishingHistory to SecureSourcePackagePublishingHistory, PackagePublishingHistory to SecureBinaryPackagePublishingHistory, and re-doing the 11 views surrounding all that12:17
bradbwhoa, all hail automated testing12:17
Kinnisonand all the fall out from renaming the FK columns to binarypackagerelease12:17
KinnisonAye12:17
Kinnisonit's a > 20kB SQL patch12:17
bradbuntil that works probably, would it be ok to assume that the sp name is the same in all releases? the first use case is only warty, hoary, breezy anyway, AFAIK12:18
bradbs/probably/properly/12:18
Kinnisonyeah12:25
bradbok, thanks for the feedback guys12:27
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jameshso, still no wiki?03:08
elmoI still don't have a tarball03:10
jameshokay03:13
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carlos"morning"01:08
jordiheh01:08
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mptcarlos!02:08
carlosmpt, !02:10
mptcarlos, where are your photos? :-)02:10
carlosmpt, in my computer02:10
carlosI will try to upload them today :-)02:11
mptThe ones I took disappeared off the camera02:11
mptThat was the day before I got the SD card02:11
carlosoh, really?02:11
carlosso the SD card makes your camera memory to disappear?02:11
mpthmmm02:12
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carlosmpt, btw, my SD reader is not supported by Linux :-(02:12
mptaha!02:12
mptI took out the SD card and the photos reappeared!02:12
carlosa girl asked me to use it to delete some music to get some space for more pictures and I was not able to use it :-(02:12
carlosmpt, :-D02:12
mptcarlos, was she pretty?02:13
carlosmpt, too old for me :-)02:13
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mpteh, the wiki still hasn't been moved back02:30
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Kinnisonmpt: can you please bug kiko about it02:33
carlosmpt, kiko forgot to send the data to elmo02:33
mptkiko's not getting back until tomorrow02:33
Kinnisonargh02:33
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jordicarlos: how old is too old?02:42
jordicarlos: and, reply to my last question in query :)02:42
Nafallocarlos: is it correct that uploaded po's is in rosetta after a few minutes? my last two took several days :-)02:43
carlosjordi, 4 or 5 years older than me02:43
carlosNafallo, new ones should be done faster now02:43
carlosNafallo, breezy has been imported already02:43
Nafallocarlos: kewl :-)02:43
Nafallocarlos: it has?02:43
carlosNafallo, yeah, finally02:43
jordicarlos: that is *TOTALLY* not too old.02:43
jordicarlos: was she hot?02:43
carlosjordi, I said too old for me02:44
Nafallocarlos: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/control-center/+pots/review-breezy-control-center-102:44
Nafallocarlos: then why is swedish blank?02:45
jordicarlos: bah02:45
carlosNafallo, usually, that means the .po file had a problem while being imported02:45
Nafallocarlos: hmm, uploaded again anyway ;-)02:45
Nafallocarlos: and I will hopefully get karma ;-)02:46
jordiwhat's your karma?02:46
jordiwhat is a k00l level of karma these days?02:46
carlosjordi, no idea02:46
Nafallodunno. 114 right now :-)02:46
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jordiheh02:47
jordi2010!02:47
jordiI guess carlos will overflow the counter02:47
SteveAhi02:47
carlosjordi, do you have 2010?02:48
carlosSteveA, morning02:48
carloswell, not so morning :-P02:48
SteveAcarlos: hello.  how's it going?02:48
jordicarlos: yes02:49
carlosSteveA, still tired and a bit jet lagged, but fine02:49
Nafallojordi: translation suggestion approved?02:49
carlosSteveA, how are we going to handle the review requests until kiko sends the wiki content to elmo?02:49
Nafallojordi: what's that? :-)02:49
jordiNafallo: hmm?02:50
carlosNafallo, breezy imports02:50
SteveAcarlos: the wiki should be ready already.  i'll find out what's up02:50
carlosSteveA, elmo didn't get the content02:50
Nafallocarlos: uploaded po's?02:50
carlosSteveA, I asked already 02:51
SteveAcarlos: okay.  i need to get hold of someone in brazil02:51
carlosNafallo, yeah02:51
SteveAmpt: ping?02:51
Nafalloah02:51
NafalloI translate in rosetta :-)02:51
mptSteveA: pong02:51
carlosNafallo, the karma implementation landed last week, so your karma should start growing soon02:51
mptIf anyone wants a branch to review, I can give them one02:52
SteveAmpt: anyone else around?  celso, salgado, johan perhaps?02:52
SteveAnando?02:52
Nafallocarlos: I know. :-)02:52
mptSteveA: Salgado's here, Nando too I think02:53
SteveAsalgado: hello02:53
SteveAokay.  the wiki is somewhere in brazil.  we need to get it to elmo.02:53
salgadoyo SteveA 02:53
SteveAhi salgado.  do you know where the wiki data is?02:53
Nafallocarlos: just busy doing all my duties. motu, universe security, testing, translation, starting up swedish loco... will it never end? ;-)02:53
salgadoSteveA, just found it02:53
jordicarlos: ok, mail got here now02:55
mptcarlos, there's some questions in rosetta-users that I don't know the answer to02:57
jordicarlos: what's "Ubuntite!"?02:57
SteveAso, carlos, the answer is, we'll have the wiki back shortly.02:57
carlosmpt, jordi is working on it02:57
mptjordi: It's Ubuntu-specific crack02:57
jordinod02:57
carlosSteveA, ok, thank you02:57
jordicarlos: oh dude!02:57
jordiI have so MUCH MORE karma than you.02:57
SteveAjordi: how's it going with rosetta?02:57
mptjordi: It's whether someone has signed the Ubuntu Code of Conduct02:57
carlosjordi, I think it's like a Debian developer but for Ubuntu02:57
jordiSteveA: for now, I try to discuss my answers to email with Carlos before mailing.02:58
jordiSteveA: I just sent another tricky reply to the list.02:58
jordimpt: node02:58
jordi-e02:58
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jordiSteveA: and trying to get a list of new FAQ stuff before I add mroe02:58
jordiRedhatter! NO WAY! :P02:59
jordiok02:59
jordigotta go home now02:59
carlosjordi, Fedorist!02:59
jordisee ya later from Carlos' place.02:59
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carlosjordi, later03:02
mptsalgado, have you zipped up the wiki?03:02
SteveAmpt: dude, he bzipped it03:02
salgadompt, yep. unzipped it's more than 100MB03:03
mptI was ever so slightly more interested in the continued editability than the method of compression03:03
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bradbSteveA: hi03:31
SteveAhello brad03:31
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bradbanyway, any news on the page titles?03:31
SteveAno way03:32
SteveAthat sucks03:32
SteveAmine was left out in the pouring rain for an hour at vilnius03:32
SteveAbut at least it arrived03:33
bradbyeah, in miami there was some serious lightning, so they had to stopped loading bags. then, when it came down to the last minute, the pilot had to choose between us getting out of there before the airport curfew, or loading the rest of the bags (which would have almost surely meant cancelling the flight)03:33
bradbso, there were about 25 of us there waiting in line at 2AM in Montreal to file missing baggage reports...took at least an hour to get through the line too03:34
bradbSteveA: I was also going to ask: I want to get into the habit of testing my view classes more often (seems to fragile to not test non-trivial views.) Remind me, do these kinds of tests simply go in the doc/ directory? Should they usually go in a separate -views.txt test?03:38
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SteveAbradb: we have yet to make a standard way to do this.  I think -views.txt is a good place to start.03:41
bradbok, I will use a bug-release-targeting-views.txt for this one03:42
SteveAactually03:44
SteveAsay "pages"03:44
SteveAnot views03:44
SteveAbecause the term "views" is used in the database code as well as the browser code03:44
bradbok03:44
SteveAjamesh: ping?03:46
elmook, LP wiki is backup on wiki.launchpad.canonical.com03:53
carloselmo, cool, thanks03:54
carloselmo, hmm, the user names look bad from the RecentChanges page03:56
elmo... they will?03:56
elmoI can't really do anything about that03:56
elmow.lp.c.c uses LP auth, the async temp one didn't03:56
carlosit's XXX-dynamic where XXX is a number03:56
mptthanks elmo03:57
mptoh, woohoo, Moinonymous changes again :-)03:57
elmohmm, we also lost the previous recentchanges  history, meh03:58
carlossalgado, https://launchpad.net/errors/showEntry.html?id=1123595870.940.12005463450703:58
elmooh, err or not03:59
salgadocarlos, it seems to have expired03:59
salgadocarlos, if you still have it in your browser, please paste it for me. :)03:59
carlossalgado, seems like jordi has two wiki names03:59
salgadocarlos, if he merged accounts, this is a known problem04:00
carlossalgado, https://launchpad.net/people/jordi04:00
SteveAthanks elmo.04:00
dilysMerge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: Improvements for archive-mirror (better error messages, allow archive/limit syntax) (patch-60: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)04:02
bradbddaa: hi. is it safe to blow away the .arch-cache directory?04:03
ddaaAbsolutely, totally safe.04:03
bradbthe name of the directory would seem to indicate yes, but i thought i'd ask to be doubly sure04:04
bradbddaa: thanks04:04
ddaaBut I wonder why you would04:04
bradbreclaiming disk space04:04
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ddaa174M... never removed...04:05
ddaa*shrug*04:05
carlosSteveA, the review page is not sending emails to the reviewers mailing list anymore04:05
bradb450M for me :/04:06
SteveAcarlos: it needs to be re-subscribed04:06
ddaamh... probably substandard filesystem...04:06
jordisalgado: I did merge accounts04:06
ddaabah, in a few months all this madness will go away.04:06
jordibut the one I just merged wasn't used at all in wikis04:06
ddaaI'm sure we will have another entirely different sort of madness, but not that one...04:07
bradbheh04:07
salgadojordi, all accounts in Launchpad have a wikiname for the ubuntu wiki (even the ones people never used). without the wikiname you can't use an account to log into the wiki04:09
jordisalgado: how can merging my gnu.org address affect this?04:09
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salgadojordi, when you merged your accounts, you end up with two wikinames. the current production code doesn't know how to handle more than one wikiname for a given person. I have a fix for this but it's still in the reviewers queue04:11
jordisalgado: ok.04:12
jordigotta go to the phisiotherapist04:13
ddaaDuh04:16
ddaaLanuchpad auth fucked up04:16
ddaawhen i'm here https://launchpad.net/bazaar04:16
ddaaI read "not logged in"04:16
ddaathen I click on the "manage upstream bazaar imports" link to https://launchpad.net/bazaar/series04:16
ddaathat leads me to the login page, then click login button04:17
ddaathen... bah, it worked that time04:17
salgadoSteveA, around?04:17
mptIt was all a figment of your imagination, ddaa04:18
SteveAsalgado: yes04:18
ddaampt, no it was some kind of transient problem...04:19
ddaaI completely lack imagination, I'm just a hundred monkeys typing randomly at the keyboard, that's why I'm so good at finding obscure bugs.04:19
salgadoSteveA, I have some questions about the permissions we're using04:19
mptddaa, meanwhile, do you have time yet to assign some of those monkeys to fixing the samba/ubuntu-doc SVN import bug?04:20
ddaathat's in the queue04:20
SteveAsalgado: okay04:20
salgadoSteveA, so, right now, only the launchpad admins and the person itself have the permission launchpad.Edit on that person04:20
ddaastill busy rewriting importd to use ArchiveLocation, I got really tired of handling stupidly ugly code. So now, I'm taking the time to make it right.04:21
salgadoSteveA, but we shouldn't allow launchpad admins to add ssh keys to any person that are not themselves. in other words, only the person itself should be allowed to add ssh keys04:21
dilysMerge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-74)04:22
salgadoSteveA, a similar problem is with team administrators. all team administrators have launchpad.Edit on a team, but they shouldn't be allowed to change the owner of the team. that's something that should be performed only by the team owner04:23
SteveAsalgado: i have some security specs that together address this04:24
SteveAi'm not going to have them implemented in the veyr near future though04:24
salgadoSteveA, is there something I can do to workaround it?04:24
SteveAfor the ssh key issue, use launchpad.Special for that04:24
SteveAthat fits in with the "roadmap" of secuirity refactoring.04:24
SteveAyou'll need to add the launchpad.Special permission04:24
salgadofair enough04:25
SteveAis the team issue causing problems?04:25
SteveAor, can you see it doing so soon?04:25
salgadoI'm using launchpad.Admin for that right now. so only launchpad admins can change the owner of a team04:25
salgadothe problem is that not even the team owner can do that04:26
SteveAcan you also allow the owner to have launchpad.Admin on a team?04:26
SteveAKinnison: ping04:26
KinnisonSteveA: pong04:27
KinnisonSteveA: what can I do for you?04:27
salgadoSteveA, I guess I can04:27
SteveAokay04:27
SteveAthat will fix it for now04:28
ddaaAnyone know if Jamie Wilkinson is hanging around on IRC?04:50
dilysMerge to rocketfuel@canonical.com/launchpad--devel--0: [trivial]  Add milestone icons (patch-2241: mpt@canonical.com)04:52
ddaaWhat is the simple way to say "create a launchpad account" when the user might have to merge accounts?04:56
salgadoddaa, I don't understand what you mean05:02
ddaaI'm not very clear about it myself.05:02
ddaaI have to tell "Jamie Wilkinson" to create a launchpad account05:02
ddaabut I see there is already an account there by his name05:02
ddaaI'm not sure whether it's auto-created or something, and whether he may want to create a proper account and merge with it...05:03
ddaahttps://launchpad.net/people/jaq05:03
ddaasince it's jaq@debian.org, it's probably auto-created05:03
ddaaso he'll probably want to merge accounts05:04
ddaaOr maybe not, I have no clue of things would work out in such a case.05:04
salgadoyou can tell him to reset the account's password and start using that account05:04
ddaasalgado: how would he do it?05:05
salgadoto reset the password he has to go to the login page and type this email address in the "Forgotten password" form05:05
ddaaI'm confused05:06
ddaaLet's play a role game.05:06
ddaaConsider I'm a lazy clueless user.05:06
salgadoyes, this is a little bit of a hack to allow people to use their auto generated accounts05:06
ddaaAnd I want to create a launchpad account to setup a RCS import.05:06
ddaaWhat, in the general case do I have to do?05:07
salgadothe WhyTheSmegAmIHere spec will make this kind of things clearer05:07
salgadoin the general case you would create a new account05:07
ddaa(note: general case include people who have a wiki account but might not realise it's related to launchpad, and people who have auto-created accounts by their name, etc.)05:08
salgadothen later, if you find that we already created an account for you, you would be able to merge them05:08
salgadobut, if you try to create an account using an email address that is already registered, you'll be pointed to the 'forgotten password' form05:08
ddaaYou mean that creating a new account will generally work even in the presence of related auto-created accounts?05:08
ddaaMh... okay, I'll just give handwavy "create a launchpad account" directive and see what happens.05:09
salgadoit will if you use different email addresses05:09
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jblacksalgado: How does Jamie know that the account already exists? 05:38
jblackIs launchpad smart enough to say "Hey! I know you already. Why don't I help you recover this existing account instead?"05:39
MezWANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling05:43
jblackmez? 05:48
Mezjblack - sorry amsh05:49
ddaajblack: I just avoided giving any hint (to save him uneeded confusion). We'll see how that works out in practice.05:50
ddaajblack: btw, had a look at my blog, know any place where to register it to attract readers?05:51
jblackddaa: I suspect it won't be a problem. Launchpad is supposed to have account merging some day anyways. 05:51
ddaajblack: considering the number of bugs which are files on account merging nowadays, I'd be inclined to think it already has that already (for the most part).05:51
SteveAjblack, ddaa: can we have a baz team meeting on #canonical-meeting ?06:00
elmodoes "Bug ID or Keywords" search titles in malone?06:06
bradbelmo: yup06:14
elmotnx06:25
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salgadojblack, Launchpad is dumb enough to only tell that it already knows you if you try to register with an email address that's already registered06:31
SteveAi guess we could do like orkut does, and ask for a list of your email addresses06:31
SteveAand use those to see if any are already registered06:31
dilysMerge to thelove@canonical.com/dists--bazaar--1.5: new build (patch-75)06:34
dilysMerge to thelove@canonical.com/bazaar--devo--1.5: ARCH_LOG variable back in commit, import and tag hooks (but ARCH_LOG now points to a temporary file) (patch-61: Matthieu.Moy@imag.fr)06:35
elmogar - what's the easiest way to rebuild the binary parts of a launchpad tree?06:55
SteveA'make' from the root of a full launchpad config checkout06:56
elmothanks07:00
elmobaz status in the launchpad tree takes 8 minutes; do I need some magic sand or something to get it to be performant?07:22
carlosSteveA, salgado I need a fast review for a critical bug that should be cherrypicked as soon as possible, the patch is not too long (it is, but just because some comments movements, the code changes are small). Do you have sometime now?07:22
carloselmo, use cache revisions07:22
carloselmo, if you are using them already, next time will be faster07:22
carloselmo, unless you have less than 512 - 768 MB of RAM07:23
elmocarlos: just 'baz cacherev' ?07:23
elmoI have .5Gb07:23
elmoif that's not sufficent...07:23
carloselmo, if you have firefox open or evolution... that would be the problem07:23
carloselmo, look at the amount of swap used07:24
elmoit's not swapping07:24
carlosthen it's the cache thing07:24
elmobaz is ""only"" using 150Mb for 'status' or 'diff'07:24
carloslet me look at the faq, I don't remember the exact command07:24
SteveAcarlos: what is the branch?07:25
SteveAcarlos:  i can do it right now07:25
carloselmo, https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/RocketFuelSetup Look for the "You want a Revision Library" entry07:25
carlosSteveA, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileA5LQg1.html07:25
carlosSteveA, I don't have it committed as I want to use my trivial branch for it and I want to be sure it will be approved soon so I don't block that branch07:26
ddaaelmo: "baz diff --link" if you have a revlib that will hardlink your tree to the revlib07:26
carlosSteveA, if you are looking into it now, I will do the commit 07:26
ddaaafter that, diff will take about 10s and only a reasonable amount of cache memory07:26
ddaaelmo: the launchpad tree has grown to the size where non-hardlinked trees have catastrophic performance, because they no longer fit in the disk cache.07:27
ddaahardlinking helps avoid full-text comparisons07:28
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SteveAyou have plural_form and pluralforms.  be consistent.07:30
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SteveAcarlos: why did you remove makeSubmission() from lib/canonical/launchpad/interfaces/pomsgset.py ?07:32
SteveAcarlos: i need to go out.  the code looks good, with those two points.  1. you have an inconsistency between the local variable plural_form and the attribute name pluralforms.  it looks odd when used in the same block of code.  2. i don't understand why the operation makeSubmission() is removed from interfaces/pomsgset.py07:40
carlosSteveA, it was removed because we are not supposed to use it anymore from the Interface07:43
SteveAthen it should have an _ in front of the name07:43
carlosSteveA, about the plural_form vs. pluralforms... I was following PEP-8 07:43
carlosSteveA, ok07:43
SteveAthat doesn't look pep-8ly to me07:43
carlosSteveA, local variables as foo_bar isn't pep-8?07:44
SteveAis "pluralforms" one word or two?07:44
SteveAif it is one, then its singular is "pluralform"07:44
jblackstevea: You catch that? 07:44
SteveAif it is two, then, it should be pluralForms or plural_forms, and the singular is plural_form07:45
SteveAjblack: what?07:45
carlosSteveA, plural forms, two words07:45
jblackThat jdub and I are meeting on or after the 15th, due to traveling (location, time and otherwise)07:45
SteveAokay, cool07:46
SteveAcarlos: then, the method name (or whatever it is) is wrong07:47
SteveAbut, you should be consistent with it.07:47
carlosSteveA, when will be done the migration to PEP-8 for all db fields?07:48
SteveAi don't know07:48
SteveAi'm going out.  back later.07:48
carlosok07:49
carlosSteveA, thanks07:49
bradbwooo! bag finally made it home! i've finally got my BIKINI!08:12
Kinnisonciao dudes08:22
Kinnisonbradb: so long as you don't go exposing yourself to men up mountains08:22
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bradbi missed my chance for a waxing08:22
Kinnisonheh08:22
Kinnisonciao08:22
bradblater08:22
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mptFAILED (failures=65, errors=30)10:31
mptwoohoo10:31
salgadoddaa, would you share your super powers with me, so I don't need to bother you all the time?10:33
salgadoit'd be great if I still had access to the production database. I'm pretty sure the problem mdz raised is related to people doing evil stuff manually in the db10:35
ddaasalgado: I think that would be abusing the powers that were imparted to me.10:38
ddaaI think you should ask somebody like in charge about getting a privs upgrade.10:39
salgadoddaa, just to make sure, you don't have access to the production database, do you?10:40
salgadois there anybody with access to the production or staging database here? I need to run a query to see if the teamparticipation is correctly populated for a given team10:43
salgadoelmo, can you do that for me? ^^10:46
ddaasalgado: I have access to prod10:54
ddaathrough the importd user10:54
bradbIs there a way in Python code to do the equivalent of the required:launchpad.Edit stuff?10:55
bradbActually, n/m, I'm going to solve this in a different way10:56
mptbradb: what are you working on?11:10
bradbfinishing up release targeting.11:10
bradb"Applying 70 revisions ...." :/11:30
mptonly 70?11:31
jordicarlos: ping11:33
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