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| ajmitch | ah, they've been distributed now? | 12:09 |
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| Riddell | mdz: mail sent | 12:10 |
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| BenC | lamont__: my ia64 is totally screwed, I left it powered off for 20 minutes and I still get the failure when loading the floating point driver during EFI | 12:18 |
| BenC | lamont__: does ubuntu update any of the firmware during install? | 12:19 |
| BenC | the failure says "Unsupported" when it gets to that point | 12:19 |
| mdz | mpt: depending on the type of laptop you already have, yes, it could very well be useful to participate in the testing | 12:20 |
| Kamion | BenC: only in the same way Debian does ... | 12:23 |
| Kamion | we call elilo | 12:23 |
| Kamion | which installs itself into the EFI partition, and AIUI fiddles with the EFI boot manager | 12:24 |
| elmo | benc: try a firmware update | 12:24 |
| whiprush | mdz: the latest livecd bombs out for me on loading X, it just loads a failsafe session | 12:25 |
| whiprush | Can't compile keymap file | 12:26 |
| BenC | elmo: last time I did a firmware update, the machine wouldn't boot anymore | 12:26 |
| BenC | plus this was all working yesterday with Debian (X and all) | 12:26 |
| elmo | benc: ouch | 12:26 |
| BenC | and the firmware failure comes even before the EFI boot menu | 12:26 |
| mdz | whiprush: a failsafe X session? | 12:30 |
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| Kamion | it's missing xkbutils | 12:31 |
| Kamion | not to mention xauth | 12:31 |
| Kamion | maybe we can shove those into the live seed as a temporary workaround; not sure if anything else is needed too | 12:32 |
| whiprush | mdz: yep, just an xterm with no wm or anything. | 12:33 |
| mdz | Kamion: I know of no reason why xbase-clients should not depend on them | 12:34 |
| mdz | to do otherwise creates bugs | 12:34 |
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| Kamion | mdz: I know, but xbase-clients isn't being built at the moment as part of the transition | 12:34 |
| Kamion | note how it's still at -42 | 12:35 |
| mdz | hmm, I see | 12:35 |
| Kamion | likewise xutils | 12:35 |
| mdz | I guess seeding them temporarily would work | 12:35 |
| mdz | desktop seems more logical than live, though | 12:35 |
| allee | doko: ping? AVM B1 pcmcia | 12:35 |
| mdz | of course, this transition is supposed to be finished in 3 days | 12:35 |
| Kamion | or that - I was just reluctant to suggest using the seed whose metapackage has much higher visibility, 'cos putting things in those metapackages that should be in real dependencies is a nasty precedent | 12:36 |
| mdz | whiprush: thanks for testing | 12:40 |
| whiprush | np | 12:40 |
| marcin | hi all | 12:42 |
| Kamion | hmm, do we need somebody to keep the installer ticking over while I'm on honeymoon? | 12:42 |
| marcin | does someone here know what's going on with ubuntuforums.org? | 12:42 |
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| mdz | Kamion: in what way? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | mdz: which comment are you replying to? | 12:47 |
| mdz | Kamion: installer ticking over | 12:47 |
| Kamion | mdz: just making sure that CD images don't bitrot too badly installability-wise, really | 12:48 |
| Kamion | and doing something about it if/when they do | 12:48 |
| mdz | Kamion: then yes, probably so | 12:48 |
| mdz | any nominations? | 12:48 |
| Kamion | who's not got enough work to do? ;) | 12:49 |
| Kamion | I'd be inclined to suggest jbailey and/or Mithrandir, if their other responsibilities allow | 12:50 |
| Kamion | but any main uploader would be fine | 12:50 |
| Kamion | probably needs to be somebody we're comfortable giving an account on little to, so that they can drive CD image rebuilds | 12:51 |
| BenC | well, upgrading my firmware fixed the floating point driver error | 12:51 |
| BenC | but X still isn't working | 12:51 |
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| mdz | BenC: this is not at all surprising | 12:52 |
| Kamion | I'm biased towards people I've worked with lots, though, who are probably the busiest. :-) | 12:53 |
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| luis_ | thanks, mdz | 01:06 |
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| mdz | lamont: what is the lag time between cron.daily completion and the results being visible to *.buildd for livefs builds? | 01:11 |
| lamont__ | mdz: on the order of 2-5 minutes | 01:23 |
| mdz | lamont__: cool, thanks | 01:23 |
| mdz | attempting powerpc livefs build now | 01:23 |
| lamont__ | or rather, once cron.daily actually _finishes_, 0 minutes. | 01:24 |
| lamont__ | from start to availability is on the order of 5-8 minutes, and you know you were too fast when apt-get update barfs over MD5SUMS | 01:24 |
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| mdz | Kamion: wait a minute; am I to understand that xbase-clients is all of: a) missing binaries, b) not being built and c) not depending on the packages which replace it? | 01:31 |
| mdz | I could understand it not being built in order to preserve the old version with the binaries in it, but the current situation doesn't make much sense to me | 01:31 |
| lamont__ | mdz: I've been given to understand that the current situation is best described as "work in progress" | 01:34 |
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| mdz | I've mailed daniels for his input | 01:37 |
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| Kamion | mdz: the original plan was to stop building it at the point when the version in the archive still contained binaries; due to an accident, that failed to happen | 01:40 |
| Kamion | so I think the current situation is "better move forward as quickly as possible" | 01:40 |
| mdz | Kamion: that would seem to include adding the deps | 01:41 |
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| mdz | Kamion: how much time is left on your build-image-set? we have a powerpc cloop now and I'm ready to do another cron.daily-live | 02:08 |
| Riddell | infinity, lamont: could you give back kipi-plugins on i386 | 02:09 |
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| Kamion | mdz: it's building powerpc; should be done in ~10 minutes mayb | 02:19 |
| Kamion | e | 02:19 |
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| cat | hey people | 02:20 |
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| |rockinnerd| | how unbroken is X? | 02:33 |
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| infinity | Riddell : Sure. | 02:35 |
| wasabi | So why wouldn't the init scripts swapon all available swap partitions automatically? | 02:37 |
| infinity | wasabi : If by "all available" you mean "all listed in fstab", they do.. | 02:38 |
| wasabi | Nope, I mean, scan. | 02:39 |
| infinity | You want to scan for swap signatures, and just use whatever's available? | 02:40 |
| wasabi | I'm trying to think about my circumstance here. I use EVMS to manage drives for my desktop system. I dual purpose it as a server. I love the idea of evms, I can plug and remove drives in haphazard fashions, and it keeps working... and figures out where things are. | 02:40 |
| wasabi | Yeah. | 02:40 |
| infinity | That sounds like it could be dangerous. | 02:40 |
| wasabi | Basically I don't think at all to really manage my drives. I just plug it in and choose where to add it and not much else. | 02:40 |
| infinity | Say you have two swap partitions for two different Linux installs that both happen to use suspend-to-disk. | 02:40 |
| wasabi | So I want to remove thought from replacing my swap partition when a drive dies. | 02:41 |
| wasabi | I guess I should just mount it thru evms... | 02:41 |
| infinity | Yeah.. | 02:41 |
| wasabi | I guess if the swap drive dies my system is basically dead. | 02:42 |
| wasabi | n/m! | 02:42 |
| infinity | Generally, yes. | 02:42 |
| infinity | Unless the swap is mirrored. | 02:42 |
| infinity | (Well, some for of redundant RAID anyway) | 02:42 |
| mdz | suspend-to-disk clobbers the swap space signature for that reason | 02:42 |
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| wasabi | I guess it's impossible for me to suspend to disk. | 02:42 |
| wasabi | In that case. | 02:42 |
| infinity | mdz : Ahh, right. Well, surely there's some other use case where scanning can't be smart. :) | 02:42 |
| wasabi | Since you can't resume from evms. | 02:43 |
| wasabi | Hmmm. | 02:43 |
| wasabi | Hmmm. | 02:43 |
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| mdz | the live CD scans and uses any available swap partitions | 02:43 |
| wasabi | This brings up an interesting question. I'd like to be able to suspend to disk. | 02:43 |
| wasabi | But i'd like redundant swap. | 02:43 |
| wasabi | And I don't want hardware raid. | 02:43 |
| wasabi | So I'd like to suspend to file instead. | 02:43 |
| wasabi | Or suspend to something else that works equally well. | 02:44 |
| infinity | You probably want to bang heads with both mjg59 and jbailey in a room together and see if the tools are already there to do what you want, just sans documentation. | 02:44 |
| wasabi | So I guess what I want is a special partition that is suspended to, b ut not swapped. | 02:44 |
| infinity | (mjg59 as the suspend/laptop guru, jbailey as the "early userspace" dude) | 02:45 |
| Burgundavia | Riddell, you got a minor typo in your package description | 02:51 |
| Burgundavia | Riddell, kaffeine-xine - gstreamer engine for kaffeine media player | 02:51 |
| Riddell | Burgundavia: oops | 02:52 |
| Riddell | well spotted | 02:52 |
| Burgundavia | np | 02:53 |
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| Kamion | oh, base-config is so close to working | 03:35 |
| Kamion | it only fails now because some postinst scripts don't close debconf fds when starting daemons | 03:35 |
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| seth_k | my console-data package won't even configure itself correctly yet, which is preventing base-config from installing | 03:42 |
| Kamion | works fine on today's CD image | 03:43 |
| seth_k | hmm, must be a configuration issue for me then. works fine on my other breezy computer too | 03:43 |
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| Kamion | mdz: what's the difference between Tested and Completed, goal-wise? | 04:12 |
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| mdz | Kamion: pomp and ceremony, I suppose | 04:14 |
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| Kamion | mdz: wondering what else I need to do to declare InstallerStage2Progress Completed | 04:15 |
| mdz | Kamion: is it working in the latest install CD images? | 04:15 |
| Kamion | no, you need base-config 2.67ubuntu8, which I just uploaded | 04:16 |
| Kamion | the autobuild in five or six hours or so will work | 04:16 |
| mdz | I think it's high time I did a round of install testing anyway | 04:16 |
| Kamion | the latest available images hang just before starting gdm | 04:16 |
| mdz | odd | 04:17 |
| mdz | oh | 04:17 |
| mdz | that's what's fixed in ubuntu8 | 04:17 |
| Lathiat | nice i can do some installer bashing then | 04:17 |
| Kamion | right | 04:17 |
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| mdz | anyone seen daniels? I'd like to finish getting the live CD into shape today | 04:18 |
| infinity | mdz : He should be around my place in the next hour or so. I'll have him ping you when he's in. | 04:19 |
| mdz | madwifi certainly produces a lot of warnings on powerpc | 04:23 |
| mdz | and at least one error | 04:24 |
| mdz | on powerpc64 | 04:24 |
| mdz | so, no l-r-m on powerpc64 for now | 04:24 |
| infinity | Colour me shocked. | 04:24 |
| mdz | Kamion: do you know if madwifi actually works at all on powerpc? | 04:25 |
| infinity | Do we have no facility to disable specific driver on different arches (so ppc64 can at least have fglrx and nvidia, for instance)? | 04:25 |
| infinity | s/driver/drivers/ | 04:26 |
| mdz | yes, we do | 04:26 |
| mdz | but madwifi is the only one which actually provides a binary for powerpc | 04:26 |
| infinity | Oh. :) | 04:27 |
| mdz | ati and nvidia provide i386 and amd64 | 04:27 |
| Kamion | mdz: don't know, I'm afraid | 04:28 |
| Kamion | I can borrow a suitable card at the next conference and try it, I suppose | 04:28 |
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| infinity | mdz : How much do I need to bribe you (or mvo) to find a round tuit to implement Debian #164399? | 04:41 |
| infinity | (Every time I 'apt-get source <anything with mozilla or xorg in the name>' it comes back to haunt me and my slow connection) | 04:42 |
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| mdz | infinity: so you want to get the tar from a local mirror and the newest diff/dsc from remote? | 04:47 |
| infinity | <nod> | 04:48 |
| infinity | Since we have the md5sums in the Sources file, I assume it shouldn't be too tough to mix and match like that. | 04:48 |
| infinity | But I haven't looked at (not do I have a desire to look at) that part of apt. | 04:48 |
| elmo | it'd help the buildds too, FWIW | 04:48 |
| mdz | and you think I enjoy it? :-P | 04:49 |
| elmo | not Ubuntu's, but, still | 04:49 |
| mdz | string::size_type Slash = TmpSrc.rfind('='); | 04:49 |
| mdz | infinity: dragons | 04:50 |
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| infinity | I often wonder if Culus lurks in these channels under a different nick just to hear people whine about his dragons. Perhaps he dervies some perverse satisfaction from it. | 04:52 |
| mdz | infinity: this is actually one of the tamer bits (apt-get.cc) | 04:52 |
| mdz | the only complicating factor is that it passes around the relevant data as a reference to the source package record, so it can't mix and match from different sources within that | 04:53 |
| infinity | Hrm. That would seem to be an issue, yes. | 04:54 |
| infinity | Could you internally pretend that "apt-get source foo (unversioned)" is an alias to "apt-get source foo=<each available version>", pull records for all of them, then mix and match? | 04:54 |
| infinity | Or something equally hideous? | 04:54 |
| mdz | you could do that | 04:55 |
| mdz | or push the logic down into the bit which searches for the source package | 04:55 |
| mdz | elmo: how would it help the debian buildds? | 04:55 |
| elmo | mdz: they can fetch the X orig from a local mirror instead of hitting ftp-master for it | 04:56 |
| mdz | dude, they should just use bittorrent | 04:56 |
| mdz | and all the buildds could download from each other | 04:57 |
| mdz | it'd be great | 04:57 |
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| Lathiat | haha | 04:59 |
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| TerminX | eek | 06:44 |
| TerminX | no xgamma package ;_; | 06:44 |
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| TerminX | oh well *extracts all the files from xbase-clients_6.8.2-36.deb and copies the binaries that aren't provided by packages into /usr/bin* | 06:47 |
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| daniels | mdz: pong | 07:22 |
| mdz | daniels: good morning | 07:22 |
| daniels | indeed | 07:23 |
| daniels | what can I do you for? | 07:23 |
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| daniels | hmm | 07:27 |
| daniels | is anyone here (i.e. other than pitti) interested in the dbus 0.35.2 packages I did this morning for testing? | 07:27 |
| daniels | sjoerd: ? | 07:27 |
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| mdz | daniels: xbase-clients | 07:36 |
| daniels | mdz: ... | 07:36 |
| mdz | daniels: among other things, the live CD is broken because it's missing all sorts of important X bits | 07:36 |
| daniels | mdz: seed xrdb, xprop, xauth, xinit, xkbutils and xdpyinfo | 07:37 |
| mdz | daniels: make xbase-clients depend on them | 07:37 |
| daniels | mdz: sure, but those should still be seeded separately | 07:38 |
| mdz | why? | 07:38 |
| daniels | mdz: because you don't want xedit/xeyes on the live cd | 07:39 |
| mdz | daniels: I so want xeyes | 07:39 |
| daniels | mdz: more bonghits to table three | 07:40 |
| mdz | oh, there is a GNOME equivalent to xeyes | 07:40 |
| mdz | I guess we don't need it then | 07:40 |
| daniels | is there?? | 07:40 |
| TerminX | daniels: package xgamma please :) | 07:40 |
| mdz | I think we could probably spare the 11k to have it on there, though | 07:40 |
| daniels | TerminX: if you're bored, you can package it | 07:40 |
| mdz | daniels: yes, a panel applet called geyes | 07:40 |
| daniels | mdz: sweet mother of god | 07:40 |
| daniels | mdz: so yeah, xbase-clients and xutils are coming back as metapackages depending on all the externally-packaged stuff | 07:41 |
| mdz | daniels: it's themable | 07:41 |
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| daniels | mdz: but ... WHAT OH MY GOD ... I think the seeds should still grow some granularity | 07:41 |
| mdz | daniels: where is the modularisation process going to stand at feature freeze? | 07:41 |
| jdub | mdz: i sent you and a couple of others an email about LSB (i went to the lsb plenary tonight) | 07:42 |
| mdz | jdub: you did? | 07:42 |
| jdub | yeah | 07:42 |
| daniels | mdz: 'good' | 07:42 |
| daniels | mdz: with moving, I haven't had any non-work time to fix the server on powerpc | 07:42 |
| mdz | jdub: ah, yes | 07:43 |
| daniels | mdz: but I'd be really surprised if someone didn't fix that before the next xorg RC (which is about two weeks away) | 07:43 |
| mdz | jdub: what you suggested exactly matches my views | 07:43 |
| jdub | oh, ok | 07:43 |
| jdub | damn | 07:43 |
| jdub | ;-) | 07:43 |
| mdz | so I didn't feel it necessary to add anythingh | 07:43 |
| jdub | being sensible never generates a response! ;) | 07:43 |
| jdub | mdz: i think my opinion changes slightly with 6.04 | 07:44 |
| mdz | daniels: and can we get those metapackages in today? | 07:45 |
| daniels | mdz: in whose timezone? | 07:45 |
| mdz | daniels: yours | 07:45 |
| mdz | it would unblock the live CD and also fix sprawling masses of upgrade breakage | 07:46 |
| daniels | mdz: 'kay | 07:46 |
| daniels | mdz: should I update the seeds and commit? | 07:47 |
| mdz | daniels: I meant the xbase-clients and xutils metapackages | 07:49 |
| mdz | which are already seeded | 07:49 |
| daniels | mdz: right. but we could do *both*. :) | 07:49 |
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| mdz | daniels: I think it would be sensible to get the metapackages in (which fixes those problems) and then work out what we really want in the seeds (which will involve discussion) | 07:50 |
| mdz | s/those/both/ | 07:51 |
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| daniels | mdz: 'kay | 07:51 |
| Mithrandir | good morning | 07:54 |
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| daniels | geyes -> SO MUCH CRACK | 08:00 |
| Amaranth | geyes has to be in the desktop seed | 08:02 |
| mdz | Mithrandir: good morning sir | 08:04 |
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| bob2 | does breezy's kernel have the syscall inotify? | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | yes | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | if that's the new one | 08:08 |
| bob2 | it's the one in 2.6.13-rc | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | that's the one we have | 08:08 |
| Amaranth | /dev/inotify is no more | 08:09 |
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| bob2 | this "reboot the computer when hal gets updated" thing is kinda crap | 08:15 |
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| sivang | morning all | 08:28 |
| sivang | can anybody tell me what would be the remedey for something like that: | 08:30 |
| sivang | dh_shlibdeps -pfile-roller | 08:30 |
| sivang | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0 (liblaunchpad-integration.so.0) | 08:30 |
| sivang | dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library liblaunchpad-integration (soname 0, path /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0, dependency field Depends) | 08:30 |
| sivang | the 1st package is installed and supposed to be configured correctly, the second one was installed using a sudo make install | 08:31 |
| sivang | and the weird thing, /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0's functions are working properly in the built package | 08:32 |
| sivang | (as well as the 2nd's lib functions) | 08:33 |
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| pitti__ | Good morning! | 08:35 |
| sivang | morning pitti | 08:35 |
| sivang | pitti: I have soem problems with dpkg-shlibdeps, can you spare a moment to help me ? | 08:35 |
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| pitti | sivang: what breaks? | 08:37 |
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| mdz | sivang: dpkg-shlibdeps can't generate dependencies for libraries you installed from source... | 09:06 |
| daniels | pitti: morning sunshine | 09:07 |
| daniels | pitti: want some dbus crack? | 09:07 |
| daniels | Amaranth: geyes is already in desktop, dude. gnome-applets. | 09:07 |
| toresbe | mm, dbus crack | 09:07 |
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| pitti | daniels: cool! :-) Well, it's not exactly for me, but ogra and some others will enjoy it :-) | 09:09 |
| daniels | pitti: ah, ok | 09:09 |
| daniels | pitti: know if there's anything that depends on it that I can test with? | 09:09 |
| pitti | daniels: I guess if hal starts up afterwards, and g-v-m still mounts your CD-ROM or USB stick, then it didn't break horribly | 09:10 |
| daniels | pitti: heh | 09:10 |
| Treenaks | pitti: how about notification-daemon? | 09:10 |
| pitti | daniels: you should test hal-device-manager, it uses glib bindings AFAIK (they changed in 0.35) | 09:10 |
| sivang | mdz: ok, but liblaunchpadintegration is isntalled from a .deb | 09:10 |
| daniels | pitti: 'kay | 09:10 |
| mdz | sivang: /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0 isn't | 09:11 |
| mdz | and that's the one you're using | 09:11 |
| pitti | daniels: right, you can install notification-daemon and libnotify-bin and call "notify-send MUHAHA" | 09:11 |
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| daniels | pitti: heh | 09:12 |
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| sivang | mdz: if I had the lib installed from source, and then I apt-get install the .deb , I suppose that should fix things right? | 09:13 |
| mdz | sivang: no, installing the deb won't delete your copy installed from source | 09:13 |
| mdz | you need to do that manually | 09:14 |
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| bob2 | sivang: this is one reason a chroot is handy, btw :) | 09:27 |
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| sivang | bob2: yeah, very much, but I didn't snapshot my dchroot - will do that next time I prepare another one :) | 09:29 |
| sivang | bob2: (I am working in a choort ) | 09:29 |
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| Mithrandir | doko_: ping? | 09:34 |
| doko_ | Mithrandir: pong | 09:37 |
| Mithrandir | doko: any idea about the "no suitable windowing system found, exiting." message from ooo2? | 09:38 |
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| daniels | Mithrandir: can't open $DISPLAY? | 09:39 |
| jamesh | glitz use maybe? | 09:39 |
| jamesh | (guessing) | 09:40 |
| doko | no, didn't look since yesterday | 09:40 |
| daniels | if ooo uses glitz, I'm going to be really frightened | 09:40 |
| doko | no, it's not yet configured to use glitz | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | I have some straces which makes no sense -- it tries to open a file which is there (as far as I can see), but gets ENOENT back (if run with the wrapper script), or I can run the soffice.bin directly and it opens the gtk plugin, the dependents before trying the kde and then the generic frontend. All fail. | 09:40 |
| Mithrandir | daniels: no, it's not that. Unless it unsets DISPLAY, that is. :-P | 09:40 |
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| Mithrandir | ah | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | it can't find libsndfile and libxinerama | 09:41 |
| Mithrandir | silly me. | 09:42 |
| Mithrandir | it should be obvious that a word processor needs access to a sound library (as well as PAM) | 09:42 |
| doko | Mithrandir: it needs the sound for the presentation module ... | 09:44 |
| Mithrandir | I think ooo2 might be taking over the role of php as our premier library test suite. | 09:44 |
| doko | yes, as long as it doesn't use it's own copies of the libs :-/ | 09:46 |
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| bob2 | ooo2 really links against pam | 09:50 |
| bob2 | that's scary | 09:50 |
| bob2 | er, s/pam/pam?/ | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | it sounds like the next emacs | 09:51 |
| daniels | maybe I should make Xorg link to PAM and a sound library | 09:51 |
| daniels | preferably one that's not MAS | 09:51 |
| daniels | GStreamer ahoy! | 09:51 |
| daniels | who wants to do that? | 09:51 |
| daniels | maybe we could have it read out the entire Xorg.0.log via festival | 09:51 |
| bob2 | but Sun doesn't use gstreamer | 09:51 |
| daniels | because only the most critical error messages are logged there | 09:51 |
| bob2 | stop oppressing solaris users | 09:51 |
| bob2 | make it link against NAS | 09:51 |
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| daniels | (WW) YOU HAVE A PCI BUS, WTF? | 09:51 |
| daniels | (II) No, seriously, PCI. | 09:52 |
| daniels | (--) Using PCI bus for access. | 09:52 |
| Treenaks | (WW) Not even AGP? | 09:52 |
| daniels | (EE) PCIE is the new black! | 09:52 |
| daniels | bob2: nas != mas :P | 09:52 |
| toresbe | hahah | 09:52 |
| Mithrandir | isn't it PCIe? | 09:52 |
| bob2 | hah | 09:53 |
| daniels | Mithrandir: or PCI-E | 09:53 |
| bob2 | PCI-X! | 09:54 |
| Treenaks | PCI-EX | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | PCI-X is so last centure | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | s/.$/y/ | 09:54 |
| bob2 | I can't wait for nvidia to do PCI-XXX GOLD HYPER CHAMPIONSHIP bus. | 09:54 |
| daniels | PCISIG: Clarity is something that happens to other people. | 09:54 |
| toresbe | I'm still waiting for a QBUS GeForce 6800GT. | 09:54 |
| Treenaks | bob2: you're forgetting "18+" | 09:54 |
| daniels | bob2: SUPER PCI FIGHTER ALPHA ZERO MEGA | 09:54 |
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| bob2 | daniels: III | 09:55 |
| daniels | Treenaks: ooo, that'd be neat | 09:55 |
| daniels | Treenaks: you'd have to do some fun tricks to be able to properly address all the memory, though | 09:55 |
| daniels | probably need a couple of register pokes to get the full address in | 09:55 |
| daniels | then an IO access to get it, which would of course take eternity also | 09:55 |
| Treenaks | daniels: just like EMS cards used to work | 09:56 |
| daniels | that'd *really* teach you to care about framebuffer reads :) | 09:56 |
| Treenaks | daniels: windowed memory access | 09:56 |
| bob2 | I wonder how long it would take to DMA a single frame to it | 09:56 |
| daniels | bob2: ah, knew I was forgetting something | 09:56 |
| daniels | Treenaks: heh | 09:56 |
| daniels | copying down an untiled 1600x1200x24 framebuffer would be hillarious | 09:56 |
| Treenaks | daniels: you'd need that EMS card to store the image data in memory :) | 09:57 |
| bob2 | hm, my hard disk has more ram than my first computer did | 09:58 |
| \sh | bob2: more then 1kB? | 09:58 |
| \sh | ;-) | 09:58 |
| daniels | Treenaks: heh | 09:59 |
| Treenaks | bob2: my harddisk has almost as much RAM as my first hard disk had space | 09:59 |
| bob2 | hah | 10:00 |
| daniels | i have no idea how much ram the microbee had | 10:00 |
| jdub | bah, delaying the shuttle landing again | 10:00 |
| Treenaks | jdub: second time today? | 10:00 |
| jdub | well, second day in a row, depending on your perspective :) | 10:01 |
| Treenaks | jdub: it _will_ land today :) | 10:01 |
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| mdz | it's always today somewhere | 10:02 |
| jdub | i hate being stuck in the past, though | 10:02 |
| jsgotangco | the past? | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | you're a few hours ahead of us! | 10:03 |
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| jsgotangco | (if you're in sydney that is) | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: NZ is the way of the future | 10:03 |
| mdz | he's a lot of hours ahead of me | 10:03 |
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| mdz | usually | 10:03 |
| _d4vid | play Edwin Fisher/cd1/03 - Track 3.mp3 | 10:03 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 10:03 |
| Treenaks | mdz: how does it feel to be stuck in the past? :) | 10:03 |
| mdz | I feel old | 10:03 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: in USA atm :) | 10:03 |
| daniels | jsgotangco: jdub's visiting the backwards land | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 10:04 |
| mdz | jdub is on mdz time currently | 10:04 |
| daniels | jsgotangco: they're permanently 18 hours behind | 10:04 |
| jsgotangco | at least you can say you're a few hours younger than us :) | 10:04 |
| Treenaks | So Gnome is 12 hours behind instead of 6 ahead there? | 10:04 |
| Mez | mdz: about the ruby thing - I'm sure I requested it | 10:05 |
| siretart | daniels: I try to prepare a package which builds in both sid and breezy, which uses GL and GLU headers. is it possible to specify build depends that work on both? | 10:05 |
| Mez | siretart : | operator? | 10:05 |
| daniels | siretart: libgl1-xorg-dev | xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev | 10:06 |
| daniels | ditto glu | 10:06 |
| siretart | daniels: thanks. I'll try | 10:06 |
| siretart | hm. libgl1-xorg-dev does not exist in current sid. is this a problem? | 10:07 |
| Mez | btw, can someone get rid of xlibmesa-glu-dev from breezy universe? | 10:07 |
| Treenaks | siretart: one of the others will exist probably? | 10:07 |
| daniels | siretart: no, because it will fall back to xlibmesa-gl-dev if sbuild is sensible enough | 10:08 |
| mdz | that's the point of | | 10:08 |
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| daniels | elmo: please nuke xlibmesa-* binary packages, libxp*, libxaw8*, xmh, xdm, xfs, anything else that's NBS from xorg | 10:08 |
| siretart | daniels: I'll take you as reference when searching for a sponsor ;) | 10:08 |
| daniels | errrrr | 10:09 |
| pitti | seb128: *sigh* libnotify is half-broken on ppc and doesn't work at all on amd64 ... :-( | 10:15 |
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| seb128 | pitti: not cool | 10:17 |
| seb128 | pitti: have you pinged upstream? | 10:17 |
| pitti | couldn't reach him yet, will try again | 10:19 |
| pitti | seb128: actually I intended to upload my ubercool audio hotplug response today | 10:19 |
| pitti | but if that only works on i386, we can't do that... | 10:19 |
| seb128 | right | 10:20 |
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| sivang | mdz, pitti : thanks a million, that was the problem and cleaning stuff manualyl helped :-) | 10:56 |
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| pitti | daniels: btw, do you consider using LSB init scripts for Debian's bus as well? If so, you could just upload to experimental and we can sync it | 11:27 |
| seb128 | pitti, daniels: are one of you going to update dbus? | 11:28 |
| seb128 | s/are/is/ | 11:28 |
| daniels | pitti: debian lsbification> absolutely not | 11:29 |
| daniels | seb128: yes, after I've finished making dinner | 11:29 |
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| seb128 | daniels: cool, thanks ... and this Xnest fix? :) | 11:29 |
| seb128 | this sabayon package is still waiting on my disk :p | 11:29 |
| daniels | seb128: yeah | 11:29 |
| daniels | that too | 11:29 |
| seb128 | thanks | 11:30 |
| pitti | daniels: for postgresql-common I test whether the lsb include file is present, and use normal Debian output if not | 11:31 |
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| doko_ | Riddell: ping | 11:58 |
| Riddell | doko: hi | 11:59 |
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| doko | Riddell: please could you check, if the openoffice.org-kde package works for you on a current breezy? not the openoffice.org2-kde | 12:01 |
| Riddell | installing | 12:03 |
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| siretart | fabbione: around? | 12:13 |
| Riddell | doko: openoffice.org works with KDE widgets. no kde icons or file dialogue | 12:14 |
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| doko | hmm, no kde icons where? in the desktop menus? | 12:18 |
| doko | Riddel: could you dsiable in Preferences/OpenOffice/Common "Use OOo dialogs" and try again? | 12:20 |
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| Riddell | doko: icons are in the k-menu fine. I mean it still uses gnome icons not kde icons (as it always has) | 12:22 |
| Riddell | doko: where do I find Preferences/OpenOffice/Common? | 12:22 |
| martink | Riddell, Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org->General | 12:25 |
| doko | martink: thanks, you were faster resetting the locale data ;) | 12:27 |
| Riddell | doko: the file dialogue crashes | 12:29 |
| doko | Riddell: did it crash in hoary as well? | 12:30 |
| martink | doko, ;) | 12:31 |
| Riddell | doko: installing in hoary now | 12:33 |
| doko | hmm, maybe I should give it a try with gcc-3.4, to match KDE's C++ ABI ... | 12:35 |
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| doko | elmo, Kamion, mdz: UVFE for aspell-pl and aspell-sl please, then sync from unstable | 12:37 |
| doko | elmo: please sync gcc-defaults | 12:37 |
| Amaranth | err, what locale is crapping all over the OpenOffice trademark? | 12:37 |
| Mithrandir | yay | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | I have ooo2 running on amd64 | 12:38 |
| doko | nice | 12:39 |
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| Riddell | doko: crashes in hoary too] | 12:40 |
| doko | Riddell: thanks, at least, no regression :-) | 12:41 |
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| doko | hmm, libglu1-mesa-dev doesn't exist anymore ... | 12:42 |
| doko | daniels: what is the replacement? | 12:42 |
| === Lathiat laughs | ||
| Kamion | libglu1-mesa-dev | 6.2.1-5ubuntu4 | breezy | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 12:43 |
| Kamion | it's just broken due to libgl1-xorg-dev uninstallability | 12:43 |
| pitti | mvo: btw, thanks for the lang-selector report; although such a report is not really required for stuff we write on our own :-) | 12:43 |
| doko | ahh, crap, no that's the dpkg segfault again :-( | 12:44 |
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| Amaranth | seb128: Can you see if pyxdg cvs fixes your problems? | 12:44 |
| Amaranth | seb128: Latest CVS should actually work and just ignore any files that have a filename that it can't convert to utf-8 | 12:44 |
| Kamion | doko: aspell-sl is already synced, but failed to build | 12:45 |
| mvo | pitti: ah, well :) | 12:45 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: /usr/share/doc/python-xdg/examples/test-menu.py works fine with the CVS | 12:45 |
| Kamion | doko: aspell-pl approved | 12:46 |
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| Kamion | Mithrandir: with or without pure evil? | 12:46 |
| doko | ugh, tightened debhelper build dep ... | 12:47 |
| Amaranth | seb128: and it failed with a UnicodeDecodeError before, right? | 12:47 |
| doko | Kamion: without pure amd64, all evil included | 12:48 |
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| seb128 | Amaranth: | 12:49 |
| seb128 | if menuentry.DesktopFileID not in ids: | 12:49 |
| seb128 | UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xe9 in position 2: ordinal not in range(128) | 12:50 |
| seb128 | 12:50 | |
| seb128 | with the current tarball | 12:50 |
| Amaranth | ok, cool | 12:50 |
| doko | Kamion: would you mind a debhelper merge for breezy? | 12:50 |
| Amaranth | lanius wants you to try a 'simplified' version of the fix otherwise this can be considered 0.15 hopefully | 12:50 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: about 160MB of the purest evil you can find. | 12:50 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: rock. Let me know when 0.15 is ready to be packaged | 12:51 |
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| Kamion | doko: the debhelper 4.9.4 and 4.9.5 changelogs look fine for breezy, so yes | 12:52 |
| Kamion | doko: er, I mean "no, I wouldn't mind" | 12:52 |
| Kamion | damn English anyway | 12:52 |
| doko | Kamion: ok, merging ... | 12:53 |
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| eruin | anyone seen #13070, #12563, #13095 - shouldn't they be blockers ? | 12:54 |
| ogra | pitti, i got a little present for you :) http://www.grawert.net/Screenshot.png | 12:56 |
| pitti | Hi ogra | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | ogra: pg8 on amd64? is that the present? :) | 12:56 |
| Treenaks | ogra: or php5? | 12:56 |
| ogra | yup... | 12:56 |
| ogra | mediawiki on php5 and postgres isnt possible they say ;) | 12:57 |
| Treenaks | ogra: how did you do it? :) | 12:57 |
| ogra | search halfway done patches and complete them... | 12:57 |
| Amaranth | seb128: *sigh* can you see if latest CVS still fixes the error? | 12:58 |
| seb128 | Amaranth: works fine | 12:59 |
| Amaranth | seb128: just checked out? he just committed the new 'fix' | 12:59 |
| Amaranth | if so once he is done eating i think we'll have 0.15 | 01:00 |
| seb128 | again? | 01:00 |
| seb128 | no, there is no change on the CVS | 01:00 |
| Amaranth | ok, good | 01:01 |
| Amaranth | 0.15 Real Soon Now, unless he does something that makes me have to stab him :) | 01:02 |
| seb128 | he he | 01:04 |
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| seb128 | pitti: do you have an ipod? | 01:09 |
| pitti | no, but carlos has | 01:09 |
| carlos | seb128, what do you need? | 01:10 |
| seb128 | https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13177 | 01:10 |
| pitti | carlos: he wants it :-) | 01:10 |
| pitti | (me too, ....) | 01:10 |
| seb128 | if this bug stay here as debzilla/eject I guess it'll not move | 01:10 |
| seb128 | so it should probably be assigned to gnomevfs, pmount, nautilus, whatever ... | 01:11 |
| carlos | pitti, ;-) | 01:11 |
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| pitti | seb128: I noticed this and I will fix it after feature freeze | 01:11 |
| pitti | seb128: you could close it as a dup of #5049 | 01:12 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you know what the issue is? Should I reassign to you? | 01:12 |
| seb128 | cool, will do, thanks | 01:12 |
| carlos | seb128, it was working here before | 01:12 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't know the reason, but I can reproduce it on i386 (works fine on ppc and amd64) | 01:12 |
| carlos | oh, I tested it with my ppc computer, so then that's why it works :-P | 01:13 |
| elmo | UDU and Ubuntu wikis are RO - pending their merge; if anyone asks on other channels please let them know | 01:13 |
| seb128 | pitti: without an ipod? | 01:13 |
| pitti | seb128: with my usb stick and CD-Roms | 01:13 |
| seb128 | k | 01:13 |
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| Amaranth | seb128: I'm stabbing. | 01:16 |
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| seb128 | Amaranth: why? | 01:18 |
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| hno73 | NOTICE: the ubuntu and udu wikis are now READ-ONLY, so hold off on edits for a while. Should be about 30 minutes. Thanks. | 01:19 |
| Amaranth | seb128: <lanius> mayb we need other changed to menueeditor.py for smeg-0.8? | 01:20 |
| Amaranth | seb128: this makes me stab ;) | 01:20 |
| seb128 | ah ah | 01:21 |
| Kamion | seb128: do you have a gst-plugins0.8 upload coming up? | 01:22 |
| seb128 | Kamion: yep, I've a patch waiting for upload ... probably this afternoon. Need any change? | 01:23 |
| Kamion | seb128: yes, s/aalib1-dev/libaa1-dev/ please | 01:23 |
| seb128 | k | 01:23 |
| Kamion | that should cause gstreamer0.8-aa's dependency on slang1 to disappear without any further changes | 01:23 |
| Kamion | which will make it installable | 01:24 |
| Kamion | you can drop the versioning on the build-dep too, I guess | 01:24 |
| seb128 | right | 01:25 |
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| seb128 | Kamion: do you know where evolution-data-server 1.3.7 is hidding? | 01:25 |
| seb128 | I've uploaded it yesterday evening | 01:25 |
| seb128 | it has built according to the build logs | 01:25 |
| seb128 | but the debs are not here | 01:26 |
| Kamion | (new) libebook1.2-5_1.3.7-0ubuntu1_sparc.deb optional libs | 01:26 |
| Kamion | (new) libedataserverui1.2-6_1.3.7-0ubuntu1_sparc.deb optional libs | 01:26 |
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| Kamion | seb128: I've processed it now | 01:27 |
| seb128 | thanks | 01:27 |
| seb128 | why is it new? because of sparc? | 01:27 |
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| Kamion | no, because the archive only had libebook1.2-3 and libedataserverui1.2-4 before; package names changed | 01:28 |
| Kamion | overrides aren't arch-specific | 01:28 |
| infinito | elmo: excuse me, are u here? | 01:28 |
| seb128 | Kamion: hum right, thanks | 01:28 |
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| hno73 | NOTICE: The ubuntu wiki is now writable again after pages have been transferred in from the UDU wiki. udu.wiki.ubuntu.com now forwards to wiki.ubuntu.com | 01:33 |
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| Lathiat | hrm just found a rather nasty bug on the livecd | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | xscreensaver locks the screen | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | and you cant unlock it | 01:43 |
| Lathiat | and when i killed xscrenesaver from the console X died | 01:43 |
| seb128 | that's a known issue | 01:44 |
| torkel | Lathiat: xscreensaver killing X is not a bug, it's a feature... | 01:44 |
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| Lathiat | torkel: ah, i thought might be so | 01:44 |
| edd | anyone know who's currently managing bluez bluetooth stuff for breezy? | 01:45 |
| Lathiat | hrm, changelog doesnt really indicate anyones overly looking after it | 01:46 |
| seb128 | there is bounty about that, isn't it? pitti? | 01:46 |
| edd | Lathiat: on breezy, even the changelog isn't there! it's totally broken, which is why I'm asking :) | 01:47 |
| Lathiat | ermm | 01:47 |
| Robot101 | edd: nokia have written obex vfs stuff which we should steal :P | 01:47 |
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| Lathiat | im on breezy and bluez-utilos has a changelog... | 01:47 |
| seb128 | how the changelog isn't here? | 01:47 |
| ajmitch | chmj was handling the bluetooth spec | 01:47 |
| edd | Lathiat: as of last night on my upgrade there wasn't. | 01:47 |
| Lathiat | i upgraded earlier | 01:48 |
| seb128 | a package without a changelog? how does that work? | 01:48 |
| Lathiat | what version do you have? | 01:48 |
| Lathiat | i have 2.18-0ubuntu1 | 01:48 |
| seb128 | I guess it doesn't build without debian/changelog | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | as do I, and it still works | 01:48 |
| edd | ah. | 01:49 |
| edd | i see the problem, my fault. | 01:49 |
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| ajmitch | edd: it's ok :) | 01:49 |
| Lathiat | edd: has there been any movement on any of this stuff? | 01:49 |
| edd | it's the 2.18-0 that got me. | 01:49 |
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| edd | i'd previously been doing 2.18-1 cos of my own packaging on hoary | 01:50 |
| edd | and 0 is smaller than 1, naturally. | 01:50 |
| edd | difficult when breezy gets ahead of sid. | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | heh | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | I just started using bluetooth last week, and noticed the nautilus-sendto support missing for it | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch: theres a patch somewhere | 01:50 |
| edd | ajmitch: we have that in CVS | 01:50 |
| Robot101 | edd: yeah I was a bit narked about that | 01:50 |
| Lathiat | probably in bugzilla | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | I guess we wait for a newer upstream of that | 01:50 |
| edd | needing hadess to do another release of gnome-bluetooth | 01:51 |
| edd | i'm very near handing him the maintainership of it | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | right | 01:51 |
| seb128 | ajmitch: I've built nautilus-sendto without it on purpose | 01:51 |
| ajmitch | so far I got file transfer going, just not evolution syncing. hopefully that will get in for release | 01:51 |
| seb128 | ajmitch: gnome-bluetooth is universe and nautilus-sendto main ... if somebody want to do the administrative work to move it to main go for it | 01:51 |
| seb128 | I don't have any bluetooth stuff here to play with it | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | seb128: I could write up a report, it'd have to be done by feature freeze? | 01:52 |
| seb128 | ask mdz when he's around | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | ok | 01:52 |
| seb128 | the question would probably be "how does gnome-bluetooth work", ie: fine enough for main? | 01:53 |
| \sh | is it ok to sync kxdocer-0.35 from debian? | 01:53 |
| \sh | in universe? | 01:53 |
| \sh | kxdocker even | 01:53 |
| ogra | \sh, anything that depends on it ? | 01:54 |
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| \sh | ogra: only install dep for kxdocker-data...and this I have to rebuild again | 01:55 |
| \sh | kxdocker-data is on unmet deps. | 01:56 |
| ogra | sync it :) | 01:56 |
| edd | seb128: with the current release, i'd say "no" | 01:56 |
| edd | seb128: hadess and/or me need to dump another release out. cvs has moved on loads | 01:56 |
| seb128 | k, thanks | 01:56 |
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| seb128 | when is the new version planned? | 01:56 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync kxdocker 0.35 from debian for universe... | 01:56 |
| seb128 | is that worth to package the current CVS? | 01:56 |
| edd | seb128: i've not even put the current release in sid, for example. | 01:56 |
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| luis_ | bob2: there are patches to make ooo link against real or gstreamer, I believe | 02:26 |
| bob2 | hahaha | 02:27 |
| luis_ | dude | 02:28 |
| luis_ | it needs an embedded media player | 02:28 |
| luis_ | duh | 02:28 |
| bob2 | right | 02:28 |
| luis_ | clearly it isn't worth crap if it doesn't have an embedded media player | 02:28 |
| bob2 | best they do it themselves, too | 02:28 |
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| bob2 | gstreamer might not work on sunos 1.x | 02:28 |
| Lathiat | so totem played this real stream better than realplayer | 02:30 |
| Lathiat | but i couldnt get proper audio in totem (xine) | 02:30 |
| Lathiat | oh well | 02:30 |
| Gman_ | luis_, i kinda like the idea of having music to slides :) | 02:30 |
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| Kamion | lamont: so can we sync util-linux from Debian now? (just seen the changelog) | 02:46 |
| seb128 | another one? | 02:46 |
| seb128 | ups | 02:47 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: I'm working on merging ia32-libs.. it appears it contains some stuff we don't have in main. Any ideas what to do? | 02:48 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: like what? | 02:48 |
| Mithrandir | libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 | 02:48 |
| Kamion | is it straightforward just to leave that stuff out? | 02:49 |
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| Mithrandir | well, I have to redo the package with .debs from ubuntu anyhow, so yes. My issue is that we'll have differing ia32-libs in Ubuntu and Debian. | 02:49 |
| Mithrandir | that is, some parts will be in Debian and not Ubuntu and possibly the other way around. | 02:50 |
| Kamion | we already do though, don't we? | 02:50 |
| Mithrandir | we're stuck with an ancient version but not more apart from that, iirc | 02:50 |
| Kamion | hmm | 02:50 |
| Kamion | it's a shame this stuff is not in separate packages | 02:51 |
| Mithrandir | it'd be fourty packages or so. | 02:51 |
| Kamion | I guess libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 is needed for old proprietary applications | 02:51 |
| Mithrandir | yeah | 02:51 |
| Mithrandir | I could split it out, but I'd really like to discuss that with Bdale first. | 02:51 |
| Kamion | we could have ia32-libs and ia32-libs-universe, a la php | 02:52 |
| Kamion | messy to maintain, but would work ... | 02:52 |
| Mithrandir | it would, yes. | 02:53 |
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| Kamion | I don't have any bright ideas other than that, really | 02:53 |
| Mithrandir | but we'd lose ia32-libs compatibility with debian in a ditch somewhere. Unsure if I care too much about it for that single package, though. | 02:53 |
| Kamion | except to note that perhaps if we're adding new stuff, we should do it in separate packages built from the same source rather than in the big ia32-libs blob (multiarch-style?) | 02:54 |
| Kamion | built from the same source as the rest of the relevant library, I mean | 02:54 |
| Mithrandir | so libc6 would build lib32c6_amd64.deb on i386? | 02:55 |
| doko | Mithrandir: yes, jbailey is working on that | 02:56 |
| Kamion | oh, eh, I guess that's messy | 02:56 |
| Kamion | I was more thinking of a build on amd64 with -m32 | 02:56 |
| Mithrandir | I don't think I want to try crossbuilding X. | 02:56 |
| Kamion | but in any case, I wasn't suggesting changing existing stuff at this point, but doing biarch builds now that the toolchain is getting better seems just generally cleaner? | 02:57 |
| Kamion | for new stuff | 02:57 |
| Mithrandir | I'd like to use multiarch for it, but dpkg needs some love first and I don't have time for that just yet. | 02:57 |
| Mithrandir | anyhow, I'll think of something | 02:58 |
| doko | to build the toolchain biarch, we need a biarch glibc as well. IMO we should have birch support in gcc/glibc independent of the multiarch stuff | 02:58 |
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| Nafallo | elmo: did you just add me somewhere? I got a reject on libdc0 :-). | 03:00 |
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| daniels | seb128: right, fixed this stupid font path problem | 03:07 |
| daniels | seb128: like anyone uses that crap anyway | 03:07 |
| seb128 | thanks | 03:09 |
| seb128 | sabayon does use it ... :) | 03:09 |
| daniels | pfft | 03:10 |
| daniels | sabayon should use xephyr | 03:10 |
| daniels | and the sabayon maintainer should also package xephyr | 03:10 |
| seb128 | say that to markmc :p | 03:10 |
| daniels | the sabayon maintainer in *ubuntu* | 03:10 |
| seb128 | hum ... do you want to be listed as maintainer with the coming upload? :) | 03:11 |
| Amaranth | xephyr? | 03:12 |
| mjg59 | seb128: Have you had a chance to apply those hotkey defaults? | 03:13 |
| daniels | seb128: no way, dude | 03:13 |
| daniels | Amaranth: it's like xnest, but it doesn't *suck* | 03:13 |
| Amaranth | hehe | 03:13 |
| Amaranth | that's a plus | 03:13 |
| Amaranth | isn't it a part of the modular x stuff? | 03:13 |
| Nafallo | elmo: thanx :-). | 03:15 |
| seb128 | mjg59: not yet but that's my list for after the update of GNOME to 2.11.91 | 03:15 |
| mjg59 | seb128: Thanks | 03:17 |
| seb128 | np | 03:20 |
| daniels | Amaranth: modular X is a prerequisite for it, sure | 03:25 |
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| theine | Hi, in the source package for the hoary kernel (linux-source-2.6.10) the kernel's abi file for the most recent patch level (2.6.10-34) is missing. Only the abi file for 2.6.10-33 is present. This prevents me from doing dpatch-edit-patch <new-patchname>. What shall I do? | 03:30 |
| lamont | Kamion: there are init-scripts in util-linux, so it's a merge. | 03:32 |
| Kamion | ok | 03:32 |
| Kamion | you wouldn't fancy doing that when you get a minute, would you? | 03:32 |
| lamont | you want slang2 for breezy then? | 03:33 |
| Kamion | at the moment we have both slang1 and slang2 in breezy base | 03:34 |
| Kamion | I want slang1 the hell out. :) | 03:34 |
| daniels | i want xlibs-dev the hell out | 03:35 |
| daniels | and also a pony | 03:35 |
| Kamion | -rw-rw-r-- 1 cjwatson warthogs 23120 Jul 15 15:04 public_html/germinate-output/breezy/_germinate_output | 03:35 |
| Kamion | so not impressed | 03:35 |
| daniels | Kamion: anything glaring that's my fault? | 03:36 |
| Kamion | with regard to anything in particular? :) | 03:36 |
| daniels | the germinate output, I 'spose | 03:36 |
| Kamion | oh, that's my fault I assume, not that I can see how right now | 03:36 |
| Kamion | (the fact it hasn't run for nearly a month) | 03:37 |
| daniels | ? Unknown supported package: libxxf86rush-dev | 03:37 |
| daniels | ? Unknown supported package: libxxf86rush1-dbg | 03:37 |
| Kamion | oh, I see. sorted now. | 03:38 |
| daniels | ? Unknown supported package: libxaw8-dev | 03:38 |
| daniels | ? Unknown supported package: libxaw8-dbg | 03:38 |
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| daniels | we need to kick that shit out | 03:38 |
| Kamion | daniels: reload, see if it makes more sense | 03:38 |
| Kamion | oh, but if you want to remove old crap from the "rescued from extra" section of the supported seed, feel free | 03:38 |
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| Kamion | that section tends to bitrot somewhat | 03:38 |
| daniels | ? Unknown supported package: dbus-qt-1-dev | 03:39 |
| daniels | libdbus-qt-1-dev | 03:39 |
| daniels | oh right, it's in arch, isn't it? | 03:39 |
| Kamion | yeah | 03:39 |
| \sh | elmo: thx :) | 03:39 |
| Kamion | ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com/seeds--breezy--0 | 03:39 |
| daniels | Kamion: bleh | 03:39 |
| \sh | daniels: ready for xterm? | 03:39 |
| Lathiat | elmo: yay. :) | 03:40 |
| daniels | wtf is libxkbui missing though? | 03:40 |
| daniels | \sh: sure | 03:40 |
| \sh | ok..then I'm uploading it just now | 03:41 |
| edd | do the dbus package names now differ from those in debian? my sid packages that depend on dbus wouldn't just drop-in to breezy. seems an unfortunate change if so | 03:41 |
| Kamion | daniels: it's not in breezy | 03:42 |
| daniels | edd: yeah, 0.2x is in sid, 0.3x is in experimental and sid | 03:42 |
| daniels | edd: i did all the stuff for ubuntu first, and then myself and sjoerd put that into debian | 03:43 |
| daniels | edd: but didn't want to disrupt the freeze | 03:43 |
| daniels | Kamion: must've been one of the missing uploads | 03:43 |
| theine | I'm sorry for telling you this again, but I can't build linux-source-2.6.10 using dpkg-buildpackage because the latest kernel's abi file is missing in the source package. This is a Hoary and not a Breezy system. | 03:43 |
| edd | daniels: nod. /me just getting confused these days | 03:44 |
| daniels | edd: heh | 03:44 |
| daniels | edd: would love to see awesome bluetooth love though :) | 03:44 |
| edd | daniels: must have been all that time i spent fiddling with Xgl since miggy's demo | 03:44 |
| daniels | hah | 03:45 |
| daniels | xgl is crack of the highest order | 03:45 |
| edd | daniels: yeah, and i'd like to have some real motivation to do it. but *shrug* | 03:45 |
| tseng | hiya edd | 03:45 |
| daniels | SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB | 03:45 |
| daniels | seb128: panel crashing repeatedly + 'omg dude another panel wtf' in infinite loop == so much fun | 03:46 |
| pitti | haha, you too? | 03:47 |
| daniels | yes | 03:47 |
| daniels | gnome-panel wants me to die in a ditch, violated, used, and unloved | 03:47 |
| pitti | daniels: I did the same solution | 03:47 |
| seb128 | daniels: gnome-session-remove gnome-panel && gnome-panel & | 03:47 |
| Amaranth | gnome-session-remove! | 03:48 |
| Amaranth | *headdesk* | 03:49 |
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| Treenaks | Amaranth: Oh, I just kept killing it until it stopped whining, then removed it using the "Remove from session" GUI | 03:49 |
| Kamion | theine: our primary kernel maintainer is on holiday, which is probably why nobody's answering you. Perhaps you should just file a bug. | 03:50 |
| Amaranth | Treenaks: i was trying to kill it and start another one in gamin debug mode before the first one restarted | 03:50 |
| \sh | daniels: xterm_203-0ubuntu1 accepted | 03:51 |
| Amaranth | ooh, wxwidgets doesn't make it's own file open dialog anymore | 03:52 |
| Amaranth | this is a plus | 03:52 |
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| pitti | wb ogra | 03:57 |
| ogra | heyy | 03:57 |
| pitti | ogra: saw the mediawiki screenshot, great | 03:57 |
| ogra | yeah... | 03:57 |
| daniels | \sh_away: cool | 03:57 |
| pitti | ogra: btw, does your ffox crash very often on your amd64 as well? | 03:58 |
| ogra | i'm just playing with wwwconfig-common... didnt know about it | 03:58 |
| Lathiat | daniels: want to put a patch in dbus in breezy for the python bindings that makes avahi work? :) | 03:58 |
| ogra | nope... nautilus and the panel are worse | 03:58 |
| Lathiat | stupid buggy pos python bindings | 03:58 |
| daniels | Lathiat: if it's not against 0.35.2, I'm not interested :P | 03:58 |
| ogra | pitti, but i dont use any plugins or extensions | 03:58 |
| Lathiat | of course its up to date :) | 03:58 |
| pitti | ogra: it even crashes with an empty profile | 03:58 |
| ogra | hmm... | 03:59 |
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| Lathiat | daniels: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4023 it even says its against 0.35.2 :) | 03:59 |
| daniels | Lathiat: consider it done | 04:00 |
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| Lathiat | daniels: hrm that was easy, thanks. | 04:00 |
| pitti | seb128: along with a security fix, I have some font handling optimizatuion patches from SuSE | 04:00 |
| Lathiat | now i dont have to make my own copy | 04:00 |
| daniels | ARGH | 04:01 |
| pitti | seb128: I ported them to our version and tested them (actually for an unrelated purpose) | 04:01 |
| seb128 | pitti: what package? | 04:01 |
| daniels | Lathiat: sif merge typo fixes in with that patch | 04:01 |
| Lathiat | daniels: yeh i was just thinking that | 04:01 |
| pitti | seb128: they didn't do what I actually wanted, but they work | 04:01 |
| Lathiat | daniels: i just smacked lennart on the head for it ;p | 04:01 |
| pitti | seb128: oh, sorry: poppler | 04:01 |
| seb128 | pitti: any context? | 04:01 |
| seb128 | they are from the CVS? | 04:02 |
| pitti | seb128: do you have any objections against just applying them? | 04:02 |
| seb128 | not at all | 04:02 |
| pitti | seb128: they are from SuSE's xpdf version | 04:02 |
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| Kamion | kbd-chooser's debconf use is so awful | 04:03 |
| pitti | seb128: I don't know whether they are upstream now, but since they don't change any semantics, we can just drop them if we don't want them any more | 04:03 |
| Kamion | cdebconf/debconf incompatibilities don't help | 04:03 |
| seb128 | pitti: go for them, thanks | 04:03 |
| pitti | ok | 04:03 |
| daniels | elmo: libxkbui needs to go into main fwiw | 04:05 |
| ogra | pitti, even with a new user ff works fine here | 04:05 |
| pitti | ogra: grumpf | 04:05 |
| pitti | daniels: do you have any idea how to debug dbus services? | 04:07 |
| pitti | daniels: in particular, how can I see the stdout/err of processes that are started through a service.d file? | 04:07 |
| daniels | pitti: i dunno, redirect them to a logfile in the service.d file? :P | 04:07 |
| seb128 | pitti: do you know about https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13247 ? | 04:08 |
| theine | Hi, in the source package for the hoary kernel (linux-source-2.6.10) the kernel's abi file for the most recent patch level (2.6.10-34) is missing. Only the abi file for 2.6.10-33 is present. This prevents me from building the kernel using dpkg-buildpackage | 04:08 |
| doko | elmo: please sync: aspell-pl wftk gcc-defaults | 04:08 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, I saw it in my new bugs mbox this morning | 04:08 |
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| elmo | doko: done | 04:10 |
| lamont | Kamion: I gratuitously re-sync'ed the shlibdeps for mount, since the hoary version was a backport of the fix from sid | 04:11 |
| doko | thanks | 04:11 |
| === lamont will upload -5ubuntu1 shortly | ||
| Kamion | lamont: fine, thanks | 04:11 |
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| Kamion | theine: dude, I've answered you already | 04:12 |
| luis_ | hrm, known that the gnome-session on the 2005-08-09 livecds fails? | 04:12 |
| Kamion | yeah | 04:12 |
| Kamion | luis_: couple of missing binaries | 04:12 |
| luis_ | okeydokey | 04:13 |
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| seb128 | luis_: any error? | 04:17 |
| luis_ | I'll look at it in a sec | 04:17 |
| luis_ | I just gave myself a gigantic, painful bruise on the head | 04:18 |
| Lathiat | nice | 04:18 |
| luis_ | am typing with one hand, other is holding ice on the bruise | 04:18 |
| Lathiat | howd you manage that | 04:18 |
| === Treenaks guesses: procmail source hacking | ||
| luis_ | heh | 04:18 |
| Lathiat | heh | 04:19 |
| luis_ | bent to pick up towel on floor in bathroom, hit head against the ceramic part of the towel rack as I was coming back up | 04:19 |
| luis_ | bbiab | 04:19 |
| Treenaks | luis_: ouch.. good luck with that then | 04:19 |
| doko | Kamion, elmo: do I need a UVFE for a new package from unstable? It will land in universe anyway, but maybe end up as a OOo2 b-d (portaudio). Same for mythes, currently in incoming/experimental. | 04:19 |
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| mjg59 | elmo: I don't seem to get any emails when uploading packages | 04:25 |
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| luis_ | seb128, so where does gnome-session log? | 04:26 |
| luis_ | (it's been so long since I had a problem with it that I have no clue) | 04:26 |
| elmo | mjg59: what email are you using? | 04:26 |
| doko | elmo: please sync libgdchart-gd1, not urgent, but seems to be a leftover | 04:26 |
| mjg59 | elmo: mjg59@srcf.ucam.org | 04:27 |
| seb128 | luis_: ~/.xsession-errors | 04:27 |
| seb128 | luis_: do you have any message or it just hang or something? | 04:27 |
| elmo | mjg59: whitelisted | 04:27 |
| elmo | doko: done | 04:27 |
| luis_ | seb128: says it can't load my session, and here is your happy friend, xterm | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | elmo: Thanks - do I just upload again? | 04:28 |
| daniels | seb128: from Xvfb: ^@cursor^@fixed^@/usr/share/X11/fonts | 04:28 |
| Mithrandir | doko: I have ooo2 working-ish on amd64 now, doing the ia32-libs upload now, but will be postponing the ooo2-amd64 upload for tomorrow. Looks like ia32-libs-gtk needs a little bit of love for cairo and pixman and then we should be fine with ooo2 for gnome at least. I'm wondering if we need to do ia32-libs-kde as well :-/ | 04:28 |
| luis_ | ,xsession-errors says it can't find the 'sessreg' utility | 04:28 |
| elmo | mjg59: not being whitelisted just means you don't get email; the package probably went through. what was it? | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | luis_: That's daniels's fault | 04:28 |
| luis_ | gah, how did the xchat defaults become *worse*? | 04:28 |
| mjg59 | elmo: hotkey-setup | 04:29 |
| daniels | luis_: that's because sessreg doesn't exist. cock. | 04:29 |
| luis_ | great balls of cock. | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | luis_: heh | 04:29 |
| elmo | sigh | 04:29 |
| daniels | goodness gracious | 04:29 |
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| doko | Mithrandir: we don't need cairo for OOo2 yet. or is this gnome, which needs it on it's own? | 04:30 |
| elmo | \sh_away: umm dude, you know about the UVF right? | 04:30 |
| Mithrandir | doko: probably gnome | 04:30 |
| ogra | elmo, i'm allowed to approve overrides, \sh_away asked before | 04:30 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: can you nuke the partial ia32-libs upload? | 04:30 |
| elmo | ogra: this is for main dude | 04:31 |
| seb128 | luis_: blame xorg. xordoquy had a such issue yesterday on a daily install, xinit package was not installed ... | 04:31 |
| elmo | AFAIK you're not kamion or mdz | 04:31 |
| ogra | elmo, err... main... oops | 04:31 |
| luis_ | seb128, yeah, same problem here, looks like | 04:31 |
| elmo | mjg59: one sec | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | elmo: Ta | 04:31 |
| elmo | Mithrandir: done | 04:31 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: thanks. | 04:31 |
| ogra | elmo, then i deny having ever approved it :) | 04:31 |
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| doko | Mithrandir: I don't know about ia32-libs-kde, maybe ask Riddell? | 04:31 |
| luis_ | OK, that means I can rebuild my livecd with xinit and have something you guys don't have for the moment ;) | 04:31 |
| luis_ | ttfn, then | 04:32 |
| Mithrandir | doko: well, if we want ooo2 with kde look on amd64, we need it. It'll just be paaaain for me. | 04:32 |
| mjg59 | Is xscreensaver going to start looking beautiful again? | 04:32 |
| doko | Mithrandir: you don't love pain? ;-P | 04:32 |
| ogra | mjg59, unlikely | 04:33 |
| ogra | mjg59, we'll switch to gnome-screensaver it seems | 04:33 |
| Mithrandir | doko: no :-) | 04:33 |
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| daniels | seb128: gtk bug | 04:33 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Cool | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | ooh gnome-screensaver is pretty | 04:34 |
| doko | Riddell: Is OOo2 on the kubuntu CD? | 04:34 |
| Lathiat | altho resetting the timer everytime you hit a key is kindof ugly looking | 04:34 |
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| elmo | Treenaks: around? | 04:37 |
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| Mez | elmo: can you sync memaid-pyqt from debian please | 04:48 |
| Mez | as per bugzilla 11889 | 04:48 |
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| |rockinnerd| | is breezy worth installing? | 04:50 |
| |rockinnerd| | how broken is the installer? | 04:50 |
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| pitti | Nafallo: I saw the bugzilla upload, thanks :-) will release it as soon as it has built | 04:51 |
| siretart | elmo: if you are at it, could you also please look at bugzilla #12536? bogofilter is tried to be built for weeks now, but constantly fails because not all build-dependencies are satisfyable in main. | 04:51 |
| LinuxJones | |rockinnerd|, don't install it | 04:53 |
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| Kamion | |rockinnerd|: it's fine at the moment (on i386, anyway) except that you can't start a GNOME session because a few binaries are missing | 04:53 |
| ogra | |rockinnerd|, the installer is fine... | 04:53 |
| |rockinnerd| | ok. | 04:53 |
| Riddell | doko: it's in the kubuntu seed, so yes | 04:55 |
| Mez | siretart: if something's in main, shouldnt it's deps be in main too? | 04:56 |
| Kamion | in general yes but it isn't automatic | 04:56 |
| siretart | Mez: you are right, they should | 04:57 |
| Kamion | see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue and search for bogofilter | 04:57 |
| |rockinnerd| | one would think that since k3b b*****s and moanes about not having cdrao, it would be in the deps.. | 04:57 |
| siretart | Kamion: ah, I haven't seen that. thanks for the link | 05:01 |
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| Mez | hyperactivecrond, it doesnt b***h anymore :D | 05:02 |
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, not since the b******g was patched out of it :D | 05:02 |
| Mez | lol | 05:02 |
| Mez | :-" | 05:02 |
| === hyperactivecrond is behind on patches like these | ||
| hyperactivecrond | :) | 05:02 |
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, use kubuntu :D | 05:02 |
| hyperactivecrond | ive got kde installed under ubuntu... | 05:03 |
| Mez | sorry | 05:03 |
| Mez | use breezy * | 05:03 |
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| hyperactivecrond | s/wiat/wait | 05:03 |
| doko | Mithrandir: Riddell wants to see you in pain ... ^^^ ;-P | 05:04 |
| Riddell | Mithrandir: can I help at all with ia32-libs-kde? (probably not but I thought I'd ask) | 05:04 |
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| Mez | elmo: I've got something that needs NEWing in backports (I think) | 05:04 |
| Mez | elmo: well at least it looks like it needs NEWing | 05:05 |
| Kamion | queue/new gets processed fairly often, please don't get into the habit of asking every time unless it's really urgent | 05:06 |
| Mez | Kamion: including backports? | 05:06 |
| Mez | (which should use breezy's files?) | 05:06 |
| Kamion | yes, including backports | 05:07 |
| Mez | Kamion: fair enough :D | 05:07 |
| Kamion | in any case nothing in queue/new is targeted at hoary-backports | 05:07 |
| Mez | o_O | 05:07 |
| Mez | then why is something listed as "unknown" in the backports list? | 05:08 |
| Mez | unknown/libevent_1.1a-1~hoary1: Installed by buildd+rothera [-:uncompiled] | 05:08 |
| elmo | dude | 05:08 |
| elmo | I've explained this to you | 05:08 |
| elmo | this is not a package being NEW | 05:08 |
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| elmo | the problem with the previous packages was a config file SNAFU; if more packages have become 'unknown', it's a bug and I'll look at it | 05:09 |
| elmo | but please don't call them NEW, it just confuses everyone and everything | 05:09 |
| Mez | elmo: sorry | 05:09 |
| Mez | elmo: I was probably tired last time: noted and remembered for future | 05:09 |
| elmo | daniels: pls DTRT with section + priorities for these libs you're splitting out | 05:10 |
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| elmo | libevent1 | 1.1a-1~hoary1 | hoary-backports | amd64, i386, powerpc | 05:16 |
| elmo | Mez: AFAICS, it's compiled fine | 05:16 |
| xerox | Why are breezy livecd only for PPC and AMD64 | 05:16 |
| elmo | Mez: wanna-build won't update the section of Installed (i.e. compiled) packages, so the unknown/ there is just a historical footnote | 05:17 |
| elmo | Mez: if you have any examples where the package actually isn't compiled, pls let me know | 05:17 |
| Mez | elmo: ack | 05:17 |
| xerox | OK found, the live is only for PPC and AMD64 it seems, thanks anyway :-) | 05:17 |
| daniels | elmo: anything I've broken? | 05:18 |
| daniels | elmo: or just a general pointer? | 05:18 |
| ogra | xerox, x86 will follow soon | 05:18 |
| elmo | daniels: general pointer, it's totally minimal priority, just midly annoying to have to override them to the correct ones | 05:18 |
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| xerox | ogra, great - I'm trying an external USB hd installation, I hope it will go fine! :) | 05:19 |
| daniels | elmo: 'kay, will do | 05:19 |
| mbreit | elmo: thanks for whitelisting me and for syncing drpython for me!! | 05:19 |
| ogra | xerox, i dont know an ETA.... | 05:19 |
| elmo | mbreit: np | 05:19 |
| xerox | ogra, what is ETA? | 05:19 |
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| Kamion | xerox: the i386 live CD is just temporarily broken that's all. If you use dailies, you should *expect* temporary breakage | 05:21 |
| ogra | xerox, Estimated Time of Arrival | 05:21 |
| lamont | ./minigzip: error while loading shared libraries: libfakeroot-sysv.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 05:21 |
| Nafallo | what's keeping libdc0? it's not in the archive for i386, but ppc and amd64 is. | 05:21 |
| lamont | hrm... zlib and amd64 don't seem to like each other | 05:21 |
| xerox | It wasn't a complain - I didn't mean to sound harsh, sorry! | 05:21 |
| lamont | Nafallo: what's libdc0? | 05:22 |
| lamont | as in, what package? | 05:22 |
| lamont | source package | 05:22 |
| Kamion | lamont: terranova is still the right buildd for the live CDs, isn't it? | 05:22 |
| xerox | In fact I didn't need the live cd, but the installation one, which is there, so thank you very much. | 05:22 |
| Nafallo | lamont: source :-) | 05:22 |
| lamont | Kamion: yes | 05:22 |
| Kamion | lamont: 'cos it's down | 05:22 |
| lamont | yeah. there is that. | 05:22 |
| Nafallo | lamont: after it's built on i386, could you give back valknut? | 05:23 |
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| lamont | universe/net/valknut_0.3.7-1build1: Installed by buildd+rothera [optional:out-of-date] | 05:24 |
| lamont | no | 05:24 |
| lamont | can't give them back when they're installed | 05:24 |
| mvo | Kamion: I would like to upload the improved gnome-app-installer, I guess I need approval. it contains quite a few changes but it's needed to get the FindingPackages spec forward | 05:24 |
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| Nafallo | ah, it already built :-P | 05:26 |
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| Kamion | mvo: if it's required for a feature goal, I think we can trust your judgement on that :-) | 05:26 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Hmm. You don't seem to have uploaded the new initramfs-tools yet | 05:26 |
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| mvo | Kamion: thanks :) | 05:27 |
| Mez | mvo: have you spoke to Amaranth about that at all - there was a conplict between it and pyxdg | 05:28 |
| pitti | daniels: do you know where I can find a spec of dbus .service files? | 05:28 |
| Amaranth | Mez: niran's g-a-i uses pyxdg 0.14, just like smeg | 05:29 |
| mvo | Mez: isn't that only a problem in the backports repository? | 05:29 |
| pitti | daniels: ah, nevermind, I finally found something (that always happens right after asking, doesn't it?) | 05:29 |
| daniels | pitti: heh | 05:30 |
| pitti | daniels: "FIXME the file format should be much better specified than "similar to .desktop entries"" | 05:30 |
| Mez | mvo: oh, didnt know it was backports specific ! :D | 05:30 |
| daniels | pitti: haha | 05:30 |
| Amaranth | Mez: that's ok though, smeg isn't even installable in backports | 05:31 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Whups, done now. | 05:31 |
| Mez | Amaranth, well, if you told me what was needed, then i could sort it out | 05:31 |
| jbailey | mjg59: Hopefully it'll make :33 | 05:31 |
| mjg59 | jbailey: Heh. Thanks! | 05:31 |
| Amaranth | Mez: a pyxdg backport with a versioned conflict | 05:31 |
| Amaranth | against the g-a-i in hoary | 05:31 |
| Amaranth | but someone said the pyxdg conflict wouldn't be accepted for a new version in breezy main, at least not with just that | 05:32 |
| Amaranth | so i'll need to see about getting it in when seb128 makes an 0.15 package (if i ever get lanius to release) | 05:32 |
| Mez | Amaranth, why cant g-a-i be backported too/ | 05:33 |
| Amaranth | oh, it actually does work in breezy | 05:34 |
| Amaranth | ok, backport it too | 05:34 |
| Mez | Amaranth, so you'd be happy with backporting both ? | 05:34 |
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| Amaranth | i don't really care about g-a-i, i've only had about 4 reports of it getting broken so most of my users don't use it | 05:35 |
| Mez | mvo: can you see any problems with doing that | 05:35 |
| Amaranth | so whatever you think will get smeg working again the fastest is good with m | 05:35 |
| Amaranth | me | 05:35 |
| Mez | Amaranth, g-a-i from breezy breaks hoary? | 05:36 |
| Amaranth | no | 05:36 |
| Amaranth | pyxdg from breezy breaks g-a-i from hoary, this is what we've been talking about the whole time :P | 05:36 |
| Mez | but if both backported | 05:36 |
| Mez | then we're fine :d | 05:36 |
| Amaranth | hasn't been tested | 05:36 |
| shackan | pitti, there are some example .service files in the dbus source package | 05:37 |
| Amaranth | but as long as pyxdg gets backported i'm happy | 05:37 |
| Mez | I need a memory implant | 05:37 |
| Mez | mvo: can you poke me as soon as the new g-a-i is installed and I'll work with backports | 05:37 |
| pitti | shackan: thanks | 05:37 |
| Mez | Amaranth, wasnt there a problem with gnome-menus or something being the wrong version | 05:37 |
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| mvo | Mez: I'll upload g-a-i for breezy today | 05:38 |
| Amaranth | Mez: well, smeg is a bit buggy with anything less than 2.10.2 (actually gnome-menus is buggy and smeg shows it for what it is) | 05:38 |
| Mez | Amaranth, lol | 05:38 |
| Amaranth | Mez: but i don't care since those bugreports will be filed against backports, not to me :P | 05:38 |
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| Mez | Amaranth, how buggy? | 05:39 |
| Amaranth | and it better than users complaining in #ubuntu about smeg being uninstallable | 05:39 |
| Amaranth | Mez: if you have xine installed editing your menus makes xine get it's own menu, things like that | 05:39 |
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| Amaranth | small chance of menus not showing up at all | 05:40 |
| Amaranth | and things show up or don't show up in smeg that are or aren't in the menus, or they show up differently | 05:40 |
| Mez | Amaranth, is there any harm in Bping gnome-menus ? | 05:40 |
| Amaranth | you want to backport GNOME 2.11.91? good luck | 05:41 |
| Mez | Amaranth, gnome-menus from breezy will build fine on hoary | 05:41 |
| Lathiat | isnt the rule no libraries? :) | 05:41 |
| Amaranth | Mez: it will? | 05:41 |
| Mez | Amaranth - looking at the depends - yeah | 05:41 |
| Amaranth | Mez: does it _work_? | 05:42 |
| Mez | (well the B-D) | 05:42 |
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| Mez | Amaranth, I dont use gnome | 05:42 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: thats probably a no then ;p | 05:42 |
| Amaranth | and i don't have hoary handy | 05:42 |
| Mez | WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling | 05:44 |
| Mez | (sorry amsg) | 05:44 |
| hyperactivecrond | mez: ok | 05:44 |
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, you're up for it ? | 05:44 |
| hyperactivecrond | what does it entail? | 05:44 |
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| Amaranth | getting a new gnome-menus | 05:44 |
| Mez | it entails installing a package i give you adn seeing if gnome breaks | 05:44 |
| pitti | Mez: dchroot? | 05:44 |
| Mez | pitti ... ? | 05:44 |
| pitti | oh, | 05:44 |
| pitti | then rather not | 05:44 |
| hyperactivecrond | !adn | 05:45 |
| Mez | pitti: last time i chrroted I managed to kill my OS | 05:45 |
| Amaranth | if it works it'll work _perfectly_, if it doesn't it'll make GNOME not work unless you exercise some apt-foo | 05:45 |
| hyperactivecrond | Mez, what's adn? | 05:45 |
| Kamion | Mez: good effort | 05:45 |
| Mez | s/adn/and | 05:45 |
| hyperactivecrond | i'll do it Mez | 05:45 |
| Mez | Kamion: huh/ | 05:45 |
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| Mez | hyperactivecrond, gimme a mo to build | 05:45 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok | 05:45 |
| Amaranth | the one in breezy is so spectacularly better it's almost sad | 05:46 |
| Amaranth | (sad that 2.10 could be that bad) | 05:46 |
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| carl2 | will usplash be ready for Feature Freeze? | 05:47 |
| mjg59 | carl2: That's the aim | 05:48 |
| carl2 | mjg59: ok thx | 05:49 |
| Mez | building | 05:49 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok mez | 05:49 |
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, you have to know that this may break your comp to the point where you have to reinstall hoary | 05:50 |
| Amaranth | Mez: status? | 05:50 |
| Amaranth | Mez: no it won't | 05:50 |
| Mez | Amaranth, it may | 05:50 |
| Mez | probably wont | 05:50 |
| Mez | but, cover all bases | 05:50 |
| Mez | so I cant be blamed if it does | 05:50 |
| === hyperactivecrond is fine with it | ||
| Amaranth | Mez: it'll be a 'man apt_preferences' away from working again unless you're incompetent or evil :P | 05:50 |
| hyperactivecrond | what is it though | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | hyperactivecrond: new gnome-menus packages to go with smeg | 05:51 |
| hyperactivecrond | smeg? | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | hyperactivecrond: menu editor | 05:51 |
| hyperactivecrond | ah. | 05:51 |
| === hyperactivecrond mainly uses kde, and has kdm installed as backup | ||
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, what Arch are you on - i386 i hope? | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | hyperactivecrond: with these your menus should update automatically (when you install something, remove something, or change something with smeg) and lots of bugs should be fixed | 05:51 |
| hyperactivecrond | i386 | 05:51 |
| Mez | good | 05:51 |
| Amaranth | hyperactivecrond: you do have GNOME installed, right? | 05:52 |
| hyperactivecrond | yes | 05:52 |
| hyperactivecrond | it's hoary after all | 05:52 |
| Amaranth | kubuntu's last release was called hoary too | 05:52 |
| Kamion | Mez: re arson changelog, in general you do not need to log when a MOM merge works fine | 05:52 |
| === hyperactivecrond understands that | ||
| Kamion | you can generally also remove Scott's name, he doesn't mind :) | 05:53 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok Mez: 1ce i install it, what do i do? | 05:54 |
| Mez | Kamion: dch did that automatically :D | 05:54 |
| Mez | (the scott thing) | 05:54 |
| Kamion | yes, I know how dch works | 05:54 |
| Kamion | you can remove it | 05:54 |
| Mez | and I did the mom worked fine just to mention bddebian :D | 05:55 |
| Kamion | "Resynchronise with Debian (thanks, Barry deFreese)." | 05:55 |
| Kamion | we do a lot of merges, and cruft builds up quickly over time. :) | 05:55 |
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, you try and use gnome | 05:55 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok | 05:55 |
| Mez | hyperactivecrond, make a dir in your home direcroty, and open a shell in it | 05:56 |
| Mez | (make sure you're in an empty folder | 05:56 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok mez | 05:56 |
| Mez | wget -np -nd http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/unstable -A .deb | 05:56 |
| Mez | (run that) | 05:56 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok | 05:56 |
| hyperactivecrond | --11:56:52-- http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/unstable | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | => `unstable' | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | Resolving www.sourceguru.net... 69.93.132.250 | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | Connecting to www.sourceguru.net[69.93.132.250] :80... connected. | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | Location: http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/unstable/ [following] | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | --11:56:52-- http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/unstable/ | 05:57 |
| Mez | sorry | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | => `index.html' | 05:57 |
| Mez | wget -r -np -nd http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/unstable -A .deb | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | Connecting to www.sourceguru.net[69.93.132.250] :80... connected. | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | Length: unspecified [text/html] | 05:57 |
| Mez | (I forgot -r :P) | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | [ <=> ] 1,941 --.--K/s | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | 11:56:52 (416.50 KB/s) - `index.html' saved [1,941] | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | sry! | 05:57 |
| hyperactivecrond | meant to /msg that to Mez | 05:57 |
| Mez | and please, dont copy and paste here :D | 05:57 |
| Mez | lol | 05:57 |
| Amaranth | Mez: he'll want to install the -dev package too, to make gnome-devel installable | 05:57 |
| Mez | Amaranth, it's all there :D | 05:58 |
| hyperactivecrond | downloading... | 05:58 |
| Mez | ah | 05:58 |
| Mez | cancel it | 05:58 |
| Mez | stupid thing | 05:58 |
| hyperactivecrond | shit | 05:58 |
| hyperactivecrond | k | 05:58 |
| hyperactivecrond | rm -rf ./*.* | 05:58 |
| Amaranth | eek, no | 05:59 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok everything's gone in that dir | 05:59 |
| daniels | guys | 05:59 |
| Mez | just download everything from http://www.sourceguru.net/ubuntu/unstable/ | 05:59 |
| daniels | please do this somewhere else | 05:59 |
| Mez | #ubuntu-testing | 05:59 |
| hyperactivecrond | ok then | 05:59 |
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| mjg59 | Argh. My epiphany has decided to start doing IPv6 lookups, despite not having an ipv6 interface | 06:28 |
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| bddebian | Howdy | 06:46 |
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| infinito | elmo: ping?? | 07:12 |
| mdz | ogra: I have no idea why ldm doesn't work for you; I just tested with all the latest stuff and it works fine | 07:12 |
| mdz | ogra: do you have non-ascii characters in your password or anything like that? maybe there's some character set conversion happening somewhere | 07:12 |
| ogra | mdz, i upgrded this morning, so i should be up to date too | 07:12 |
| ogra | nope | 07:12 |
| ogra | its just a plainword with a capital letter | 07:13 |
| ogra | i'll try to track it o the server... | 07:13 |
| ogra | s/o/on | 07:13 |
| ogra | mdz, is nfsserver= supposed to be in /proc/cmdline ? its not for me | 07:14 |
| mdz | ogra: upgrade to 0.45 | 07:14 |
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| mdz | (just uploaded) | 07:15 |
| ogra | ok :) | 07:15 |
| mdz | ogra: the new greeter looks very nice, but still has the focus problem | 07:15 |
| ogra | focus problem ? | 07:15 |
| ogra | if you hit tab you switch the entrys/button | 07:15 |
| ogra | what else do you want ? | 07:16 |
| mdz | if the mouse moves out of the window, focus is lost | 07:16 |
| mdz | I just want that window to have focus all the time | 07:16 |
| ogra | ah, ok... i'll see what i can do | 07:16 |
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| Mez | elmo: can you sync libtagcoll1 from debian please? | 07:16 |
| mdz | daniels: ping | 07:17 |
| Nafallo | lamont: ping | 07:17 |
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| pitti | seb128: good news! libnotify on ppc improves | 07:18 |
| ogra | hmm, where is the i386 buildd gone ? | 07:19 |
| lamont | Nafallo: yes? | 07:19 |
| seb128 | pitti: cool, you talked about the issues with upstream? | 07:19 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, and we solved the missing timeout | 07:20 |
| seb128 | how was that arch specific? | 07:20 |
| pitti | seb128: now the timeout is wrong, but it does timeout now | 07:20 |
| pitti | seb128: reading a bool instead of dbus_bool_t from dbus -> 32 vs. 64 bit (or so) | 07:20 |
| Nafallo | lamont: what's up with libdc0? still MIA on i386. I have a valknut upload that will need that version :-). | 07:21 |
| ogra | Nafallo, i'd guess the x86 buildd is down... there wasnt a build since a while.... | 07:21 |
| Nafallo | that would explain it indeed | 07:22 |
| ogra | last build for i386: 14:18 GMT | 07:22 |
| seb128 | pitti: k | 07:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: is there any build log for security uploads? | 07:23 |
| seb128 | pitti: chpe asks for http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13247 | 07:23 |
| xerox | wow, if you insert the breezy cd on hoary it finds it and asks if you want to upgrade - neat! | 07:23 |
| pitti | seb128: they should be published after releasing them | 07:23 |
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| seb128 | pitti: epiphany-browser (1.4.4-0ubuntu2.1) is waiting for something? | 07:24 |
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| pitti | seb128: hm, no | 07:24 |
| pitti | not there | 07:24 |
| pitti | lamont: are the build logs of security updates still available somewhere? | 07:24 |
| seb128 | pitti: <chpe> my guess would be that somehow the build was done without PSM support in ephy | 07:25 |
| lamont | i386 buildd status: vernadsky: stopped, terranova: hw down, rothera: $^%)(^(*^, now fixed | 07:25 |
| lamont | pitti: if one has a login on sanae, yes | 07:25 |
| pitti | seb128: hm, but it does work with valid certs | 07:25 |
| lamont | pitti: tell me what log you want, and I'll toss it to you | 07:26 |
| pitti | lamont: could you give the epiphany-browser (1.4.4-0ubuntu2.1) log to seb128 ? | 07:26 |
| pitti | lamont: thanks | 07:26 |
| lamont | which arch? | 07:27 |
| === lamont assumes i386 | ||
| seb128 | i386 | 07:27 |
| Kamion | lamont: possibility of i386 live filesystem builds being moved? | 07:27 |
| lamont | Kamion: not terribly difficult | 07:27 |
| lamont | you want it on the now overloaded rothera, or the possibly suspect vernadsky. | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | Right. Usplash is uploaded, but needs integration work. | 07:28 |
| mjg59 | And non-sucky artwork. | 07:28 |
| lamont | then again, if oo.o2 trashes rothera, then I can restart vernadsky | 07:28 |
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| Kamion | lamont-away: um, nice choice there ;) | 07:28 |
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| elmo | why are you moving stuff? | 07:29 |
| sladen | mjg59: what's the depencies? | 07:29 |
| Kamion | elmo: terranova down => no i386 live CDs => unhappy mdz | 07:29 |
| mjg59 | sladen: initramfs-tools 0.15 | 07:29 |
| elmo | christ's sake | 07:29 |
| elmo | I'm going to reboot it in an hour or so | 07:29 |
| Kamion | ah, ok | 07:30 |
| elmo | mdz should be more unhappy than the bloody kernel can't stay up | 07:30 |
| elmo | but what do I know | 07:30 |
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| mdz | we have an unstable _i386_ kernel too now? | 07:30 |
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| lamont | so, ctl-q and ctl-w are really close to each other... :-( | 07:30 |
| mdz | elmo: wtf kind of hex did you put on the DC? | 07:30 |
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| lamont | seb128: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/epiphany-browser_1.4.4-0ubuntu2.1_20050728-1816-i386-successful.gz | 07:30 |
| elmo | pfft | 07:30 |
| seb128 | lamont: thanks | 07:31 |
| Kamion | lamont: are you considering things suspect because of the dpkg segfault? | 07:31 |
| elmo | kamion: no | 07:31 |
| elmo | infinity has got the dpkg segfaults reproducing on multiple machines | 07:32 |
| Kamion | ok, good - I was going to say, I've reproduced them too | 07:32 |
| elmo | some of which aren't even in the DC and thus fre of my curse | 07:32 |
| lamont | Kamion: partially - but only because it was only happening on vernadsky. turns out that rothera has been a shade idle for the past day... | 07:32 |
| Treenaks | dpkg segfaults -- during install? | 07:32 |
| Kamion | I don't know what I managed to do with libglu1-mesa-dev but it seems to be bad mojo | 07:32 |
| elmo | lamont: dude, read #u-t; don't be hating on bernadksy | 07:32 |
| Kamion | unfortunately purge->reinstall seemed to clear it up, unhelpfully | 07:32 |
| elmo | vern too | 07:32 |
| Treenaks | (if so, that would explain why it stops halfway through) | 07:33 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: with a message like "segmentation fault", yeah | 07:33 |
| seb128 | pitti: "checking for /usr/include/mozilla/pipnss/nsIX509Cert.h... no" | 07:33 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: no messages.. just hanging at the "Installing packages" screen | 07:33 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I did see a d-i segfault/reload/segfault/reload loop.. but that seemed to be related to battery operation vs AC power | 07:33 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: see tty4 | 07:33 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I'll check now | 07:34 |
| Mez | #u-t ? | 07:34 |
| seb128 | pitti: I blame mozilla | 07:34 |
| pitti | seb128: ah, so maybe a missing build dep or a file isn't shipped any more in the new version? | 07:34 |
| Kamion | dpkg is probably phenomenally confused by the libgl1-xorg-dev uninstallability | 07:34 |
| infinito | elmo: people tell me you're in charge for MOTUToSync, and i'd like to know if they will get synced before FeatureFreeze | 07:34 |
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| Kamion | somebody needs to take a tar of /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and the .deb that causes the problem before changes in the archive make it go away | 07:34 |
| elmo | infinito: no one's asked me to sync anything | 07:35 |
| seb128 | pitti: it Build-Depends on mozilla-dev ... so I guess a mozilla change | 07:35 |
| elmo | there's a sync procedure, and it doesn't involve a wiki page ... | 07:35 |
| infinito | elmo: \sh told me to add gcfilms to MOTUtoSync and wait till u sync it | 07:36 |
| infinito | elmo: i don't know the rules for this proccess | 07:37 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: btw, should prism54 cards work during install? | 07:37 |
| elmo | sigh | 07:37 |
| pitti | seb128: yay, libnotify works on ppc now | 07:37 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I can't seem to get the interface up | 07:37 |
| elmo | infinito: I'll talk to sh when he's back | 07:37 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: don't they require restricted modules? | 07:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: rock! | 07:37 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: it requires firmware | 07:37 |
| seb128 | pitti: still amd64 to go? | 07:37 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: and that gets loaded | 07:38 |
| Mez | talking of syncs :D can you sync libtagcoll1 | 07:38 |
| pitti | seb128: yes | 07:38 |
| Mez | (please) | 07:38 |
| infinito | elmo: ok thanks | 07:38 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I'll start reporting more bugs :) | 07:38 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: I reported a kernel bug on that ages ago, actually | 07:38 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: #1974 | 07:39 |
| elmo | Mez: please don't assign sync requests to me in bugzilla | 07:39 |
| Mez | elmo: sorry | 07:40 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: it's not that problem -- the card used to work fine in an installed system | 07:40 |
| Kamion | ok ... although if the firmware gets loaded, I'm not sure what else could be going wrong | 07:41 |
| jdub | mjg59: !!!!! | 07:41 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: maybe the fact that it's cardbus? | 07:42 |
| jdub | mjg59: ! ! ! ! ! | 07:42 |
| Treenaks | ah! | 07:42 |
| mjg59 | jdub: ? | 07:42 |
| jdub | mjg59: usplash upload :) | 07:42 |
| mjg59 | Ha | 07:42 |
| mjg59 | It won't do a great deal as yet | 07:43 |
| mjg59 | Needs init script interaction | 07:43 |
| mjg59 | And I need to write the keyboard interaction code | 07:43 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: firmware.agent[pid] : /proc//class/firmware/0000:05:00.0/ does not exist | 07:45 |
| Treenaks | which indeed it doesn't | 07:45 |
| hubW | since I upgraded to breezy, I lost \ | ] } on my fr keyboard layout | 07:45 |
| hubW | that's not nice | 07:45 |
| hubW | I used to get them with the option (aka alt) key acting as mod1 | 07:45 |
| Treenaks | let's try current daily | 07:46 |
| hubW | Treenaks: prism54, but which kind ? | 07:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: that's fixed between epiphany 1.4.6 and 1.4.7 by a configure change | 07:46 |
| seb128 | pitti: I'll get a patch and ping you with it | 07:46 |
| Treenaks | hubW: the supported kind :) (smc 2835W cardbus) | 07:46 |
| hubW | Treenaks: which version | 07:47 |
| hubW | Treenaks: my 2835W works fine, but newer don't | 07:47 |
| pitti | hubW: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html | 07:47 |
| hubW | (one of the 2 I have, but the other is fried) | 07:47 |
| Treenaks | hubW: ISL3890 if you mean that? the card works on an installed system | 07:47 |
| luis_ | mjg59: but is it pretty? | 07:48 |
| luis_ | mjg59: and does it cover up the ugly? | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | luis_: Currently? No. | 07:48 |
| Treenaks | hubW: but it is broken in the installer | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | But it does cover up the ugly. | 07:48 |
| luis_ | ah-ha. | 07:48 |
| luis_ | where is this magic? | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | It'll be pretty once I have lovely artwork. | 07:48 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: can you check if /sys is mounted? | 07:48 |
| luis_ | the liveCD is in desperate need. | 07:48 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: it is | 07:48 |
| mjg59 | (Which requires someone who can actually draw) | 07:48 |
| hubW | pitti: well, I'm case 3 | 07:48 |
| Kamion | SYSFS=$(sed -n '/^.* \([^ ] *\) sysfs .*$/ { s//\1/p ; q }' /proc/mounts) | 07:48 |
| luis_ | and I can get gnome-themed lovely artwork if it works :) | 07:48 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: run that please? | 07:48 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I'm goign to try the current daily first | 07:48 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: please | 07:48 |
| Kamion | just run the above and tell me what's in SYSFS | 07:48 |
| elmo | off the DC to look at terranova, FWIW, bbl | 07:49 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: ok | 07:49 |
| === pitti reboots to amd64, brb | ||
| Kamion | Treenaks: although, what version were you trying to install before? | 07:49 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: the sed expression tells me "no previous regexp" | 07:51 |
| Kamion | ah, well that might do it | 07:51 |
| Treenaks | but it _is_ in /proc/mounts | 07:51 |
| Treenaks | sysfs /syssysfs rw 0 0 | 07:51 |
| Treenaks | sorry; sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0 | 07:51 |
| Kamion | that's very strange sed code; I'm wondering if it's a GNU extension | 07:52 |
| Treenaks | (I was trying to install 20050807) | 07:52 |
| Kamion | nothing relevant has changed since | 07:52 |
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| Kamion | grep '^.* [^ ] * sysfs .*$' /proc/mounts | head -n1 | sed 's/^.* \([^ ] *\) sysfs .*$/\1/' | 07:54 |
| Kamion | that should work better | 07:54 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: so you think the problem is that d-i sed doesn't understand a GNUism that does work on the "real" sed? | 07:54 |
| Kamion | yes, d-i uses busybox sed, and I think that code above only works by accident anyway (the trick it uses isn't documented in the info pages) | 07:55 |
| Treenaks | checking with grep | 07:55 |
| Kamion | I'll fix hotplug shortly | 07:55 |
| Kamion | thanks though, good catch | 07:55 |
| Treenaks | I need to cleaar out my desk | 07:56 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: could it also be that the kernel barfs on ACPI interrupts when there's no acpid? | 07:57 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: that I don't know | 07:57 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: my system just rebooted when the battery became full | 07:57 |
| Kamion | I don't really want to have to put acpid into d-i | 07:58 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: the kernel should probably just throw the messages away? | 07:58 |
| Treenaks | instead of a spontaneous reboot | 07:58 |
| Kamion | dunno, I'm not an ACPI expert | 07:58 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: ? | 07:59 |
| Kamion | most things would seem better than spontaneous reboot though | 07:59 |
| mjg59 | Mm? | 07:59 |
| mjg59 | No, running acpid should be entirely irrelevent | 07:59 |
| Treenaks | mjg59: I'll try to reproduce in a moment | 07:59 |
| Treenaks | oh cool, now debian-installer is in a killed/scheduling for restart loop again | 08:00 |
| Kamion | insane | 08:01 |
| Kamion | only real way to debug that is to boot with init=/bin/sh, edit /etc/inittab, change "/sbin/debian-installer" (not /sbin/debian-installer-startup) to /bin/sh, exec /sbin/init, then run /sbin/debian-installer by hand to see where it breaks | 08:02 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I'll tyry -- but first good news: the "grep" line works | 08:02 |
| Kamion | Treenaks: good | 08:03 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: the problem with the killed loop is that it's not really reproducible all the time | 08:07 |
| Treenaks | ok, how do I debug it? :) | 08:10 |
| Treenaks | first on debconf-get debian-installer/framebuffer (Killed!) | 08:10 |
| Treenaks | then initrd-kickseed (Killed!) | 08:10 |
| Treenaks | then /lib/d-i/menu (Killed!) | 08:11 |
| Treenaks | ah.. OOM | 08:12 |
| Treenaks | my fault ?! | 08:12 |
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| Treenaks | 64M is not enough apparently.. but the machine has 192 | 08:13 |
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| Kamion | Treenaks: it's probably running into broken corrupt memory | 08:18 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: not even that | 08:18 |
| Kamion | 64M should be enough | 08:18 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: one RAM module is not found by the BIOS 50% of boots | 08:18 |
| pitti | seb128: uh, notification-daemon is ftbfs on amd64 (even without my patch) *sigh* | 08:18 |
| Kamion | you can boot with mem=64M to force it | 08:18 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: I removed the module.. but still.. out of memory | 08:19 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: this is just after loading nic-firmware etc. | 08:19 |
| Treenaks | (installing even) | 08:19 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: anyway, blame it on hardware for now | 08:19 |
| Treenaks | this explains the weird reboots too | 08:20 |
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| Treenaks | Kamion: I let the module cool down and now it works again | 08:28 |
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| seb128 | pitti: grumpf | 08:28 |
| shackan | hi charles | 08:29 |
| shackan | chmj, ping :P | 08:30 |
| chmj | shackan, pong | 08:30 |
| Treenaks | Kamion: (and it seems to be true: installer RAM needed is >64M when loading/installing all those modules/firmware) | 08:31 |
| shackan | chmj, I've almost ported the hci-utils to dbus | 08:31 |
| shackan | uh, bluez-utils I meant.. | 08:31 |
| pitti | seb128: "main.cc:150: error: cast from 'void*' to 'dbus_uint32_t' loses precision" | 08:32 |
| chmj | shackan, I don't follow | 08:32 |
| shackan | pitti, what are you doing ? | 08:32 |
| pitti | seb128: it tries to cast a void* into a dbus_uint32_t | 08:32 |
| pitti | seb128: I already tried to rewrite it using reinterpret_cast<> but it doesn't help | 08:33 |
| pitti | doko: ping | 08:33 |
| pitti | shackan: I fixed notification-daemon for ppc, now I debug it on amd64 | 08:33 |
| shackan | uh | 08:33 |
| pitti | does anybody know how I can convert a void* into an int32 without g++ barfing? | 08:34 |
| doko | pitti: pong | 08:34 |
| pitti | doko: see above, it seems that g++ recently added a check for that | 08:35 |
| pitti | doko: any idea how to circumvent it? | 08:35 |
| doko | amd64? | 08:36 |
| pitti | yes, and ia64 | 08:36 |
| pitti | void* is 64 bit there | 08:36 |
| pitti | and casting into dbus_uint32_t loses precision | 08:36 |
| doko | fix dbus :-) | 08:37 |
| pitti | (don't blame me for the stupid code that even attempts this) | 08:37 |
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| pitti | doko: hm, (dbus_uint32_t)(dbus_uint64_t)value seems to work on ppc too :-) | 08:39 |
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| shackan | wow | 08:39 |
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| shackan | what a split.. | 08:40 |
| doko | yes, the double cast works ... but don't ask me, if dbus is supposed to work then ... | 08:40 |
| jbailey | Err. Is a double cast just to control the way the compiler loses data? | 08:41 |
| pitti | jbailey: I'm using it for that, yes | 08:41 |
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| jbailey | pitti: 'cause thaht's just sick. =) | 08:42 |
| pitti | in notification-daemon, they have a type field and a void* which is then casted appropriately | 08:42 |
| bddebian | jbailey: Did you bring enough for everyone? :-) | 08:42 |
| jbailey | bddebian: Yes, but they're illegal to import into the US, sorry. ;) | 08:42 |
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| bddebian | Doh ;-) | 08:42 |
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| bddebian | hehe | 08:43 |
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| mdz | tech board meeting in 10 minutes on #ubuntu-meeting | 08:50 |
| pitti | uuh? | 08:50 |
| pitti | I | 08:50 |
| pitti | tought in 70 mins... | 08:50 |
| mdz | er, yes, 70 | 08:51 |
| pitti | ah, ok :-) | 08:51 |
| mdz | silly UTC offsets | 08:51 |
| pitti | still time for dinner | 08:51 |
| bddebian | 10 mins? I thought ... Oh nm | 08:51 |
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| chmj | pitti: i have same casting problem, not-breaking-other-things-or-loosing-data solution? | 09:19 |
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| siretart | is fabbione the only sparc god in ubuntu? | 09:25 |
| siretart | proll is an architecutre all package, which build depends on a package only available on sparc | 09:26 |
| siretart | is there any possibility to get a proll binary package in breezy? | 09:27 |
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| jbailey | siretart: It depends what you're looking for. | 09:28 |
| jbailey | siretart: A few of us have pretty solid sparc experience, but sparc is basically fabbione's baby. | 09:29 |
| siretart | jbailey: the package I mean is 'proll' | 09:29 |
| siretart | jbailey: it build depends on 'sparc-utils', which is only available on sparc | 09:30 |
| siretart | jbailey: We need it for qemu, it depends on proll | 09:30 |
| jbailey | Just sounds like the build-deps need to be tweaked to only b-d on sparc-utils on sparc... | 09:30 |
| siretart | jbailey: I don't think that'll be possible in this case | 09:31 |
| siretart | proll is a JavaStation PROM 2.x compatible replacement | 09:32 |
| jbailey | Well, something in the dependancy chain needs to get changed. | 09:33 |
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| paolo_ | hi | 09:34 |
| bddebian | Hello paolo_ | 09:34 |
| paolo_ | what to you suggest I could do if "I was unable to run your X session, I'm giving you an xterm failsafe" or similar, after breezy install? | 09:34 |
| paolo_ | (I am in that xterm now) | 09:35 |
| siretart | jbailey: as said, as qemu is nowadays able to emulate sparcs, I don't think we have much choice with that dependency chain. :( | 09:36 |
| paolo_ | You probably thougth "do not use breezy" :| But Ctrl+Alt+F1..F9 doesn't work... why? | 09:38 |
| jbailey | siretart: Ah, is qemu like bochs but hoefully less sucky? | 09:38 |
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| siretart | jbailey: exactly | 09:40 |
| jbailey | siretart: Creepy, how's the speed? | 09:40 |
| siretart | jbailey: do you happen to know how long is fabionne still on holyday? | 09:41 |
| jbailey | I don't, sorry. | 09:41 |
| siretart | jbailey: I didn't test it myself, I cannot give numbers, sorry | 09:41 |
| jbailey | But Fabio won't have a better answer for this I suspect. | 09:41 |
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| jbailey | Either sparc-utils wil lhave to be made to work cross-arch, or you'll have to do an ugly hack to fetch the pieces from sparc-utils after they're generated on a sparc. | 09:41 |
| jbailey | The former solution is really the better one, although depending on how poorly written sparc-tools is, the harder one. | 09:42 |
| siretart | jbailey: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/benchmarks.html for numbers for comparison qemu vs bochs | 09:42 |
| jbailey | Thanks. | 09:42 |
| siretart | hm. lets have a look at sparc-utils, then | 09:43 |
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| jbailey | siretart: Part of the trick with sparc-utils would be to disable anything that obviously doesn't make any sense cross-arch, and leave the useful tools in the package that gets built !sparc | 09:44 |
| siretart | hm | 09:45 |
| siretart | prtconf.c:33:28: error: asm/openpromio.h: No such file or directory | 09:45 |
| siretart | you mean like that one? :/ | 09:46 |
| jbailey | Right. | 09:46 |
| jbailey | *or* copy that file into the package itself. | 09:46 |
| paolo_ | ...at least the mousepad works :) | 09:46 |
| jbailey | But that one sounds like it might not mae any sense off of the sparc box. | 09:46 |
| siretart | hm. that could be really really tricky | 09:46 |
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| siretart | jbailey: do you think an offer for sparc hardware would help? ;) | 09:47 |
| jbailey | siretart: An offer to whom? =) | 09:50 |
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| paolo_ | oh, I launched gnome-session and it worked. | 09:51 |
| jbailey | siretart: I don't know if Fabio is looking for extra sparc gear. =) | 09:51 |
| paolo_ | Tanks anyway :) | 09:51 |
| siretart | jbailey: A friend of mine would like to offer sparc hardware and hosting for sparc buildds for universe | 09:52 |
| jbailey | siretart: Ah, cool. | 09:53 |
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| Mez | psst - who's ben colins? | 09:55 |
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| mdz | Mez: BenC | 09:56 |
| Mez | fair enough | 09:56 |
| Mez | mdz: I see you've got AbsoluteBeginnerCommunity down as a breezygoal... that still the casE? | 09:56 |
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| paolo_ | ok nice, any advice for setting up a correct keyboard layout ? :-) | 09:57 |
| Mez | paolo_, support is in #ubuntu | 09:57 |
| paolo_ | Mez, ok thank you, sorry! | 09:57 |
| siretart | is someone working on gcc-2.95 for breezy? | 09:59 |
| Mez | 2.95? | 10:00 |
| pitti | siretart: uh? | 10:00 |
| jbailey | siretart: ToolchainRoadmap dropped it specifically. | 10:01 |
| mdz | Mez: if it isn't in the table, it isn't a release goal | 10:01 |
| mdz | gcc-2.95 can rest in peace | 10:01 |
| Mez | mdz: fair enough - I was looking at your Wiki and stuff# | 10:01 |
| jbailey | siretart: It was a rought decision given that we had to drop chill with it.. =) | 10:01 |
| pitti | mdz: meeting now? | 10:01 |
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| ericseigne | hi all | 10:11 |
| ericseigne | i've got a problem with debuild / debsign on my ubuntu, did you have the same ? (if i run "debuild" i've got a gpg error "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use" but if i run debsign manually there is no pb, my gpg agent works well ... | 10:12 |
| pitti | ericseigne: try debuild --preserve-envvar GNOME_KEYRING_SOCKET | 10:13 |
| pitti | ericseigne: (or whatever env variable your gpg agent uses) | 10:13 |
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| pitti | ericseigne: debuild cleans the environment | 10:13 |
| ericseigne | pitti: yes i've read it in man but i can't find any env var about a seahorse-agent ... | 10:14 |
| pitti | ericseigne: try fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage instead of debuild | 10:15 |
| ogra | mdz, 0.45 doesnt solve it for me... and no indication on the ssh server, the same messages... | 10:15 |
| ogra | mdz, at least the server ip is detected fine now, thanks | 10:15 |
| ericseigne | pitti: why ? debuild is more powerfull not ? | 10:15 |
| pitti | ericseigne: btw, that's #ubuntu stuff | 10:15 |
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| Mez | Mithrandir, did you get round to guifications yet | 10:16 |
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| ericseigne | pitti: seahorse is "/tmp//seahorse-fWX3x1/S.gpg-agent" ... impossible to explain that to debuild ... | 10:22 |
| doko | mdz: do you have some minutes for NetworkAuthentication? | 10:23 |
| dieman | so | 10:23 |
| dieman | who should i harass if im going to be moving my ubuntu mirror | 10:24 |
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| seb128 | carlos: around? | 10:29 |
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| _d4vid | hi all | 10:31 |
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| paolo_ | hyperactivecrond, hi :-) | 10:47 |
| hyperactivecrond | :) | 10:48 |
| paolo_ | hyperactivecrond, the GNOME keymap selector doesn't do it, it report some error instead. | 10:48 |
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| paolo_ | I'm having 2 troubles: after login I get a "cannot start your xsession" and it runs a failsafe xterm instead. Not much a problem because "gnome-session" there load GNOME (i suppose) correctly. | 10:50 |
| paolo_ | The second one is about the keymap, even if I select it it does not work, the GNOME keymap selector reports an error, and loadkeys it doesn't change anything, any clue? | 10:51 |
| pitti | paolo_: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009421.html ? | 10:55 |
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| paolo_ | pitti, I'm checking - thanks very much for the url. | 10:58 |
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| paolo_ | maybe it helped, let relogin. | 11:02 |
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| paolo | pitti, thank you very, very much. It's all fixed. | 11:06 |
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| pitti | paolo: :-) | 11:07 |
| paolo | It's just great. | 11:07 |
| edd | before i go chasing around, is anyone else seeing font weirdness in firefox/breezy ? | 11:08 |
| pitti | edd: in particular? | 11:08 |
| paolo | edd, what kind of weirdness are you thinking of? | 11:08 |
| sivang | mdz: ping, update re: lpint-bonnobo, lib is done, has gettext support although surely needs a review. gedit sample patch done, now I'm trying to test against an applet see if it fits it. | 11:08 |
| edd | pitti, paolo: not using the same font as the rest of GNOME. not respecting my hinting preferences | 11:08 |
| paolo | edd, it seems to use a more little font. | 11:09 |
| paolo | I could be wrong. | 11:09 |
| edd | paolo: here, bigger! | 11:09 |
| sivang | mdz: evo integrability is next check | 11:09 |
| paolo | You guys rock, anyway :-) | 11:09 |
| sivang | mdz: patch method per app basically identical to liblaunchpad-integration0 | 11:10 |
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| sivang | seb128: ping | 11:28 |
| seb128 | pong | 11:28 |
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| sivang | seb128: I finished the bonobo hlper lib, but I probably need some review | 11:29 |
| seb128 | k | 11:29 |
| seb128 | please mail it to me/jamesh | 11:30 |
| sivang | seb128: gedit with patch for the new helper is ready, though not depend on it deb wise - I still didn't create a pkg for the new lib | 11:30 |
| seb128 | we don't want a new package | 11:30 |
| seb128 | that should be a part of launchpad-integration sources | 11:30 |
| sivang | seb128: no, we talked about it and you said it would be better to seperate them - becasue bonobo will deprecate at the end | 11:31 |
| sivang | seb128: and so to be able to seperatly drop it, this is best no? | 11:31 |
| seb128 | and? | 11:31 |
| seb128 | a source package can ship differents lib/binary packages | 11:31 |
| seb128 | make a different lib but put it to launchpad-integration | 11:32 |
| seb128 | we are not making a launchpad-integration-dup for it | 11:32 |
| seb128 | the source can ship 2 differents libs | 11:32 |
| sivang | seb128: ah ok , cool :) | 11:32 |
| seb128 | and the package have 2 binary packages | 11:32 |
| sivang | seb128: i have a killer latency here | 11:32 |
| sivang | seb128: sure, no prob | 11:33 |
| sivang | seb128: I'll email tommorow the whole tarball | 11:33 |
| sivang | seb128: let me know if any problem with it | 11:33 |
| seb128 | k, np | 11:34 |
| sivang | seb128: good night, gotta go sleep now :) | 11:34 |
| sivang | good night all! | 11:34 |
| seb128 | thanks, later | 11:34 |
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| Nafallo | pitti: yay! :-) | 11:39 |
| ajmitch | morning | 11:42 |
| paolo | Is it correct that there is no %adm line in /etc/sudoers? | 11:45 |
| elmo | it's %admin by default | 11:47 |
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| paolo | In hoary it is "%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL", but here the user seem to be in the group adm. Do I miss anything, or /etc/sudoers is wrong? | 11:47 |
| Kamion | adm and admin are entirely different groups with quite different purposes | 11:48 |
| elmo | this is really an #ubuntu question.. but the default install puts the first user in %admin | 11:48 |
| Kamion | sounds like you've upgraded from warty | 11:48 |
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| paolo | Kaloz, I used the breezy cd from today (i386) | 11:48 |
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| Kamion | I'm Kamion, not Kaloz | 11:48 |
| paolo | oops, sorry :-( | 11:48 |
| Kamion | that would be a bug ... | 11:48 |
| paolo | Tell me if I could provide more information. | 11:48 |
| Kamion | oh, did you set a root password? | 11:48 |
| paolo | It asked for a password in the install process, so I did. | 11:49 |
| Kamion | you installed in expert mode, then. generally, don't do that unless requested | 11:49 |
| paolo | OK, thank you very much. | 11:49 |
| Kamion | if you set a root password during the installation, the installer assumes you know what you're doing and skips the automatic-sudo-for-initial-user stuff | 11:49 |
| Kamion | although it's not documented (it should be), if you *are* using expert mode, you can just enter a blank root password to get the usual behaviour | 11:50 |
| paolo | It was needed because I did an installation on an external USB2 harddrive. | 11:50 |
| paolo | I'll just add the %admin line and the user to the admin group. | 11:50 |
| Kamion | this is all bug #9832 | 11:50 |
| Kamion | right, that's fine | 11:51 |
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| Kamion | you might also need to actually create the admin group (addgroup --system admin) | 11:51 |
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| Kamion | also, it's a bug if you *need* to use expert mode | 11:52 |
| paolo | What about adm group, finally? | 11:52 |
| ogra | mdz, got it ! the prob is in ldm-askpass .... if i change from cat <<EOF ... EOF to echo $password, it works fine ... | 11:52 |
| Kamion | Group adm is used for system monitoring tasks. Members of this group can | 11:53 |
| Kamion | read many log files in /var/log, and can use xconsole. | 11:53 |
| Kamion | Historically, /var/log was /usr/adm (and later /var/adm), thus the name of | 11:53 |
| Kamion | the group. | 11:53 |
| Kamion | paolo: ^-- (/usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz) | 11:53 |
| paolo | I wish I could lookup documentation that fast :-) | 11:53 |
| Kamion | well, that documentation is in a package I maintain ;) | 11:53 |
| paolo | heh! Do you know how to add a user to a group, too? :-) | 11:54 |
| Kamion | 'adduser <username> admin' | 11:54 |
| paolo | OK, great. | 11:55 |
| Mez | hmm, random question: whats a good distro for a small OS... needs to have X, and Open GL, but fit as small as possible | 11:57 |
| ogra | ubuntu-light ? | 11:58 |
| Mez | how small can that get? | 11:58 |
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| ogra | ask vedran if he's around, he works on it and should be able to give you detailed numbers | 11:59 |
| Mez | 64Mb? | 12:00 |
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