=== JanC [N=janc@dD5764BEC.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [N=Camilo@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:09] ah, they've been distributed now? [12:10] mdz: mail sent === Rotund [N=joe@d34-236.rb.lax.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === terrex [N=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] lamont__: my ia64 is totally screwed, I left it powered off for 20 minutes and I still get the failure when loading the floating point driver during EFI [12:19] lamont__: does ubuntu update any of the firmware during install? [12:19] the failure says "Unsupported" when it gets to that point [12:20] mpt: depending on the type of laptop you already have, yes, it could very well be useful to participate in the testing [12:23] BenC: only in the same way Debian does ... [12:23] we call elilo [12:24] which installs itself into the EFI partition, and AIUI fiddles with the EFI boot manager [12:24] benc: try a firmware update [12:25] mdz: the latest livecd bombs out for me on loading X, it just loads a failsafe session [12:26] Can't compile keymap file [12:26] elmo: last time I did a firmware update, the machine wouldn't boot anymore [12:26] plus this was all working yesterday with Debian (X and all) [12:26] benc: ouch [12:26] and the firmware failure comes even before the EFI boot menu [12:30] whiprush: a failsafe X session? === LinuxJones [N=willy@blk-222-221-81.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] it's missing xkbutils [12:31] not to mention xauth [12:32] maybe we can shove those into the live seed as a temporary workaround; not sure if anything else is needed too [12:33] mdz: yep, just an xterm with no wm or anything. [12:34] Kamion: I know of no reason why xbase-clients should not depend on them [12:34] to do otherwise creates bugs === allee [N=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] mdz: I know, but xbase-clients isn't being built at the moment as part of the transition [12:35] note how it's still at -42 [12:35] hmm, I see [12:35] likewise xutils [12:35] I guess seeding them temporarily would work [12:35] desktop seems more logical than live, though [12:35] doko: ping? AVM B1 pcmcia [12:35] of course, this transition is supposed to be finished in 3 days [12:36] or that - I was just reluctant to suggest using the seed whose metapackage has much higher visibility, 'cos putting things in those metapackages that should be in real dependencies is a nasty precedent [12:40] whiprush: thanks for testing [12:40] np [12:42] hi all [12:42] hmm, do we need somebody to keep the installer ticking over while I'm on honeymoon? [12:42] does someone here know what's going on with ubuntuforums.org? === sklp [N=sklp@81-226-252-142-no19.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] Kamion: in what way? [12:47] mdz: which comment are you replying to? [12:47] Kamion: installer ticking over [12:48] mdz: just making sure that CD images don't bitrot too badly installability-wise, really [12:48] and doing something about it if/when they do [12:48] Kamion: then yes, probably so [12:48] any nominations? [12:49] who's not got enough work to do? ;) [12:50] I'd be inclined to suggest jbailey and/or Mithrandir, if their other responsibilities allow [12:50] but any main uploader would be fine [12:51] probably needs to be somebody we're comfortable giving an account on little to, so that they can drive CD image rebuilds [12:51] well, upgrading my firmware fixed the floating point driver error [12:51] but X still isn't working === luis_ [N=louie@roam245-142.fas.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:52] BenC: this is not at all surprising [12:53] I'm biased towards people I've worked with lots, though, who are probably the busiest. :-) === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-43-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-43-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yvonne_ [N=fsck@cn-sdm-cr02-2552.dial.kabelfoon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luis_ sees topic, is pleased [01:06] thanks, mdz === Yvonne_ is now known as Yvonne [01:11] lamont: what is the lag time between cron.daily completion and the results being visible to *.buildd for livefs builds? [01:23] mdz: on the order of 2-5 minutes [01:23] lamont__: cool, thanks [01:23] attempting powerpc livefs build now [01:24] or rather, once cron.daily actually _finishes_, 0 minutes. [01:24] from start to availability is on the order of 5-8 minutes, and you know you were too fast when apt-get update barfs over MD5SUMS === dooglus [N=dooglus@r2m7.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [N=behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [N=behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dooglus [N=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] Kamion: wait a minute; am I to understand that xbase-clients is all of: a) missing binaries, b) not being built and c) not depending on the packages which replace it? [01:31] I could understand it not being built in order to preserve the old version with the binaries in it, but the current situation doesn't make much sense to me [01:34] mdz: I've been given to understand that the current situation is best described as "work in progress" === TerminX [N=terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] I've mailed daniels for his input === doko_ [N=doko___@dsl-084-059-068-182.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:40] mdz: the original plan was to stop building it at the point when the version in the archive still contained binaries; due to an accident, that failed to happen [01:40] so I think the current situation is "better move forward as quickly as possible" [01:41] Kamion: that would seem to include adding the deps === lamont__ -> home === Seveaz [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === AndyFitz [N=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbreit [N=mo@84.135.102.197] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] === AndyFitz [N=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:08] Kamion: how much time is left on your build-image-set? we have a powerpc cloop now and I'm ready to do another cron.daily-live [02:09] infinity, lamont: could you give back kipi-plugins on i386 === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:19] mdz: it's building powerpc; should be done in ~10 minutes mayb [02:19] e === cat [N=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] hey people === wasabi [N=wasabi@c-24-0-58-213.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |rockinnerd| [N=chris@ppp-69-214-138-107.dsl.bcvloh.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] <|rockinnerd|> how unbroken is X? === |rockinnerd| realizes this question is asked too much [02:35] Riddell : Sure. [02:37] So why wouldn't the init scripts swapon all available swap partitions automatically? [02:38] wasabi : If by "all available" you mean "all listed in fstab", they do.. [02:39] Nope, I mean, scan. [02:40] You want to scan for swap signatures, and just use whatever's available? [02:40] I'm trying to think about my circumstance here. I use EVMS to manage drives for my desktop system. I dual purpose it as a server. I love the idea of evms, I can plug and remove drives in haphazard fashions, and it keeps working... and figures out where things are. [02:40] Yeah. [02:40] That sounds like it could be dangerous. [02:40] Basically I don't think at all to really manage my drives. I just plug it in and choose where to add it and not much else. [02:40] Say you have two swap partitions for two different Linux installs that both happen to use suspend-to-disk. [02:41] So I want to remove thought from replacing my swap partition when a drive dies. [02:41] I guess I should just mount it thru evms... [02:41] Yeah.. [02:42] I guess if the swap drive dies my system is basically dead. [02:42] n/m! [02:42] Generally, yes. [02:42] Unless the swap is mirrored. [02:42] (Well, some for of redundant RAID anyway) [02:42] suspend-to-disk clobbers the swap space signature for that reason === luis_ [N=louie@c-66-31-46-131.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] I guess it's impossible for me to suspend to disk. [02:42] In that case. [02:42] mdz : Ahh, right. Well, surely there's some other use case where scanning can't be smart. :) [02:43] Since you can't resume from evms. [02:43] Hmmm. [02:43] Hmmm. === infinity is nervous about the idea of the OS guessing what partition it should use. [02:43] the live CD scans and uses any available swap partitions [02:43] This brings up an interesting question. I'd like to be able to suspend to disk. [02:43] But i'd like redundant swap. [02:43] And I don't want hardware raid. [02:43] So I'd like to suspend to file instead. [02:44] Or suspend to something else that works equally well. [02:44] You probably want to bang heads with both mjg59 and jbailey in a room together and see if the tools are already there to do what you want, just sans documentation. [02:44] So I guess what I want is a special partition that is suspended to, b ut not swapped. [02:45] (mjg59 as the suspend/laptop guru, jbailey as the "early userspace" dude) [02:51] Riddell, you got a minor typo in your package description [02:51] Riddell, kaffeine-xine - gstreamer engine for kaffeine media player [02:52] Burgundavia: oops [02:52] well spotted [02:53] np === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ === jasoncohen [N=jason@pcp0011382713pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mae_ [N=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _d4vid [N=xxx@tor/session/x-78db13e2e0d7ec8c] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [N=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] oh, base-config is so close to working [03:35] it only fails now because some postinst scripts don't close debconf fds when starting daemons === Kamion works around that, I think [03:42] my console-data package won't even configure itself correctly yet, which is preventing base-config from installing [03:43] works fine on today's CD image [03:43] hmm, must be a configuration issue for me then. works fine on my other breezy computer too === wasabi [N=wasabi@c-67-173-207-169.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [N=ogra@p5089F540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:12] mdz: what's the difference between Tested and Completed, goal-wise? === niran [N=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:14] Kamion: pomp and ceremony, I suppose === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | If you have unexpectedly lost editbugs privileges, talk to mdz/ogra/kiko | X is a lot less broken | i386,powerpc live CD builds restored: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [04:15] mdz: wondering what else I need to do to declare InstallerStage2Progress Completed [04:15] Kamion: is it working in the latest install CD images? [04:16] no, you need base-config 2.67ubuntu8, which I just uploaded [04:16] the autobuild in five or six hours or so will work [04:16] I think it's high time I did a round of install testing anyway [04:16] the latest available images hang just before starting gdm [04:17] odd [04:17] oh [04:17] that's what's fixed in ubuntu8 [04:17] nice i can do some installer bashing then [04:17] right === dilinger [I=dilinger@mouth.voxel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:18] anyone seen daniels? I'd like to finish getting the live CD into shape today [04:19] mdz : He should be around my place in the next hour or so. I'll have him ping you when he's in. [04:23] madwifi certainly produces a lot of warnings on powerpc [04:24] and at least one error [04:24] on powerpc64 [04:24] so, no l-r-m on powerpc64 for now [04:24] Colour me shocked. [04:25] Kamion: do you know if madwifi actually works at all on powerpc? [04:25] Do we have no facility to disable specific driver on different arches (so ppc64 can at least have fglrx and nvidia, for instance)? [04:26] s/driver/drivers/ [04:26] yes, we do [04:26] but madwifi is the only one which actually provides a binary for powerpc [04:27] Oh. :) [04:27] ati and nvidia provide i386 and amd64 [04:28] mdz: don't know, I'm afraid [04:28] I can borrow a suitable card at the next conference and try it, I suppose === magnon [N=magnon@photogeeks/magnon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:41] mdz : How much do I need to bribe you (or mvo) to find a round tuit to implement Debian #164399? [04:42] (Every time I 'apt-get source ' it comes back to haunt me and my slow connection) === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:47] infinity: so you want to get the tar from a local mirror and the newest diff/dsc from remote? [04:48] [04:48] Since we have the md5sums in the Sources file, I assume it shouldn't be too tough to mix and match like that. [04:48] But I haven't looked at (not do I have a desire to look at) that part of apt. [04:48] it'd help the buildds too, FWIW [04:49] and you think I enjoy it? :-P [04:49] not Ubuntu's, but, still [04:49] string::size_type Slash = TmpSrc.rfind('='); [04:50] infinity: dragons === bskahan [N=bskahan@dsl254-074-249.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:52] I often wonder if Culus lurks in these channels under a different nick just to hear people whine about his dragons. Perhaps he dervies some perverse satisfaction from it. [04:52] infinity: this is actually one of the tamer bits (apt-get.cc) [04:53] the only complicating factor is that it passes around the relevant data as a reference to the source package record, so it can't mix and match from different sources within that [04:54] Hrm. That would seem to be an issue, yes. [04:54] Could you internally pretend that "apt-get source foo (unversioned)" is an alias to "apt-get source foo=", pull records for all of them, then mix and match? [04:54] Or something equally hideous? [04:55] you could do that [04:55] or push the logic down into the bit which searches for the source package [04:55] elmo: how would it help the debian buildds? [04:56] mdz: they can fetch the X orig from a local mirror instead of hitting ftp-master for it [04:56] dude, they should just use bittorrent [04:57] and all the buildds could download from each other [04:57] it'd be great === infinity backs away slowly. [04:59] haha === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lunitik [N=trey@ip68-230-75-109.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === zwnj [N=behnam@81.31.160.199] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zwnj [N=behnam@81.31.160.199] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === luis_ is now known as lu|sleep === SloMo_ [N=slomo@p5487CD8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shaya [N=spotter@user-0ccembr.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [N=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [N=ogra@p5089F540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch_ [N=ajmitch@port164-232.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [N=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:44] eek [06:44] no xgamma package ;_; === AndyFitz [N=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [06:47] oh well *extracts all the files from xbase-clients_6.8.2-36.deb and copies the binaries that aren't provided by packages into /usr/bin* === Jimbob [N=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [N=ajmitch@port163-240.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [N=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === daniels [N=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [N=andy@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:22] mdz: pong [07:22] daniels: good morning [07:23] indeed [07:23] what can I do you for? === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [N=zenrox@71.115.219.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] hmm [07:27] is anyone here (i.e. other than pitti) interested in the dbus 0.35.2 packages I did this morning for testing? [07:27] sjoerd: ? === zenrox [N=zenrox@71.115.219.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:36] daniels: xbase-clients [07:36] mdz: ... [07:36] daniels: among other things, the live CD is broken because it's missing all sorts of important X bits [07:37] mdz: seed xrdb, xprop, xauth, xinit, xkbutils and xdpyinfo [07:37] daniels: make xbase-clients depend on them [07:38] mdz: sure, but those should still be seeded separately [07:38] why? [07:39] mdz: because you don't want xedit/xeyes on the live cd [07:39] daniels: I so want xeyes [07:40] mdz: more bonghits to table three [07:40] oh, there is a GNOME equivalent to xeyes [07:40] I guess we don't need it then [07:40] is there?? [07:40] daniels: package xgamma please :) [07:40] I think we could probably spare the 11k to have it on there, though [07:40] TerminX: if you're bored, you can package it [07:40] daniels: yes, a panel applet called geyes [07:40] mdz: sweet mother of god [07:41] mdz: so yeah, xbase-clients and xutils are coming back as metapackages depending on all the externally-packaged stuff [07:41] daniels: it's themable === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:41] mdz: but ... WHAT OH MY GOD ... I think the seeds should still grow some granularity [07:41] daniels: where is the modularisation process going to stand at feature freeze? [07:42] mdz: i sent you and a couple of others an email about LSB (i went to the lsb plenary tonight) [07:42] jdub: you did? [07:42] yeah [07:42] mdz: 'good' [07:42] mdz: with moving, I haven't had any non-work time to fix the server on powerpc [07:43] jdub: ah, yes [07:43] mdz: but I'd be really surprised if someone didn't fix that before the next xorg RC (which is about two weeks away) [07:43] jdub: what you suggested exactly matches my views [07:43] oh, ok [07:43] damn [07:43] ;-) [07:43] so I didn't feel it necessary to add anythingh [07:43] being sensible never generates a response! ;) [07:44] mdz: i think my opinion changes slightly with 6.04 [07:45] daniels: and can we get those metapackages in today? [07:45] mdz: in whose timezone? [07:45] daniels: yours [07:46] it would unblock the live CD and also fix sprawling masses of upgrade breakage [07:46] mdz: 'kay [07:47] mdz: should I update the seeds and commit? [07:49] daniels: I meant the xbase-clients and xutils metapackages [07:49] which are already seeded [07:49] mdz: right. but we could do *both*. :) === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK [07:50] daniels: I think it would be sensible to get the metapackages in (which fixes those problems) and then work out what we really want in the seeds (which will involve discussion) [07:51] s/those/both/ === cat [N=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [07:51] mdz: 'kay [07:54] good morning === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:00] geyes -> SO MUCH CRACK [08:02] geyes has to be in the desktop seed [08:04] Mithrandir: good morning sir === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:08] does breezy's kernel have the syscall inotify? [08:08] yes [08:08] if that's the new one [08:08] it's the one in 2.6.13-rc [08:08] that's the one we have [08:09] /dev/inotify is no more === svijaykr [N=svijaykr@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svijaykr [N=svijaykr@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Amaranth [N=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === otavio is now known as otavio[off] [08:15] this "reboot the computer when hal gets updated" thing is kinda crap === _d4vid [N=xxx@tor/session/x-5f8b1501b574390f] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:28] morning all [08:30] can anybody tell me what would be the remedey for something like that: [08:30] dh_shlibdeps -pfile-roller [08:30] dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find any packages for /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0 (liblaunchpad-integration.so.0) [08:30] dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: unable to find dependency information for shared library liblaunchpad-integration (soname 0, path /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0, dependency field Depends) [08:31] the 1st package is installed and supposed to be configured correctly, the second one was installed using a sudo make install [08:32] and the weird thing, /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0's functions are working properly in the built package [08:33] (as well as the 2nd's lib functions) === pitti__ [N=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] Good morning! [08:35] morning pitti [08:35] pitti: I have soem problems with dpkg-shlibdeps, can you spare a moment to help me ? === lexhider [N=lexhider@220.235.212.127] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] sivang: what breaks? === vedran [N=vedran@195.130.52.250] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [N=jiyuu0@219.95.240.242] has joined #ubuntu-devel === GheRivero [N=ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] sivang: dpkg-shlibdeps can't generate dependencies for libraries you installed from source... [09:07] pitti: morning sunshine [09:07] pitti: want some dbus crack? [09:07] Amaranth: geyes is already in desktop, dude. gnome-applets. [09:07] mm, dbus crack === vedran [N=vedran@secondary.energodata.ba] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] daniels: cool! :-) Well, it's not exactly for me, but ogra and some others will enjoy it :-) [09:09] pitti: ah, ok [09:09] pitti: know if there's anything that depends on it that I can test with? [09:10] daniels: I guess if hal starts up afterwards, and g-v-m still mounts your CD-ROM or USB stick, then it didn't break horribly [09:10] pitti: heh [09:10] pitti: how about notification-daemon? [09:10] daniels: you should test hal-device-manager, it uses glib bindings AFAIK (they changed in 0.35) [09:10] mdz: ok, but liblaunchpadintegration is isntalled from a .deb [09:10] pitti: 'kay [09:11] sivang: /usr/local/lib/liblaunchpad-integration.so.0 isn't [09:11] and that's the one you're using [09:11] daniels: right, you can install notification-daemon and libnotify-bin and call "notify-send MUHAHA" === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] pitti: heh === sto [N=sto@debian/developer/sto] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:13] mdz: if I had the lib installed from source, and then I apt-get install the .deb , I suppose that should fix things right? [09:13] sivang: no, installing the deb won't delete your copy installed from source [09:14] you need to do that manually === zenrox [N=zenrox@71.115.219.166] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kmorph [N=ken@81.199.115.205] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lexhider [N=lexhider@220.235.212.127] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === GmanAFK is now known as Gman_ === _d4vid [N=xxx@tor/session/x-34aafd4e1570538a] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [N=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] sivang: this is one reason a chroot is handy, btw :) === terrex [N=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] bob2: yeah, very much, but I didn't snapshot my dchroot - will do that next time I prepare another one :) [09:29] bob2: (I am working in a choort ) === Amaranth [N=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Burgundavia [N=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tvo [N=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:34] doko_: ping? [09:37] Mithrandir: pong [09:38] doko: any idea about the "no suitable windowing system found, exiting." message from ooo2? === windex [N=windex@dpc674448036.direcpc.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [09:39] Mithrandir: can't open $DISPLAY? [09:39] glitz use maybe? [09:40] (guessing) [09:40] no, didn't look since yesterday [09:40] if ooo uses glitz, I'm going to be really frightened [09:40] no, it's not yet configured to use glitz [09:40] I have some straces which makes no sense -- it tries to open a file which is there (as far as I can see), but gets ENOENT back (if run with the wrapper script), or I can run the soffice.bin directly and it opens the gtk plugin, the dependents before trying the kde and then the generic frontend. All fail. [09:40] daniels: no, it's not that. Unless it unsets DISPLAY, that is. :-P === azeem [N=mbanck@proxy-out.lrz-muenchen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] ah [09:41] it can't find libsndfile and libxinerama [09:42] silly me. [09:42] it should be obvious that a word processor needs access to a sound library (as well as PAM) [09:44] Mithrandir: it needs the sound for the presentation module ... [09:44] I think ooo2 might be taking over the role of php as our premier library test suite. [09:46] yes, as long as it doesn't use it's own copies of the libs :-/ === pvanhoof [N=pvanhoof@cvs.maia-scientific.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mitsuhiko [N=mitsuhik@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:50] ooo2 really links against pam [09:50] that's scary [09:50] er, s/pam/pam?/ [09:51] it sounds like the next emacs [09:51] maybe I should make Xorg link to PAM and a sound library [09:51] preferably one that's not MAS [09:51] GStreamer ahoy! [09:51] who wants to do that? [09:51] maybe we could have it read out the entire Xorg.0.log via festival [09:51] but Sun doesn't use gstreamer [09:51] because only the most critical error messages are logged there [09:51] stop oppressing solaris users [09:51] make it link against NAS === seb128 [N=seb128@ANancy-151-1-49-19.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] (WW) YOU HAVE A PCI BUS, WTF? [09:52] (II) No, seriously, PCI. [09:52] (--) Using PCI bus for access. [09:52] (WW) Not even AGP? [09:52] (EE) PCIE is the new black! [09:52] bob2: nas != mas :P [09:52] hahah [09:52] isn't it PCIe? [09:53] hah [09:53] Mithrandir: or PCI-E [09:54] PCI-X! [09:54] PCI-EX [09:54] PCI-X is so last centure [09:54] s/.$/y/ [09:54] I can't wait for nvidia to do PCI-XXX GOLD HYPER CHAMPIONSHIP bus. [09:54] PCISIG: Clarity is something that happens to other people. [09:54] I'm still waiting for a QBUS GeForce 6800GT. [09:54] bob2: you're forgetting "18+" [09:54] bob2: SUPER PCI FIGHTER ALPHA ZERO MEGA === Treenaks wants an 8-bit ISA GeForce [09:55] daniels: III [09:55] Treenaks: ooo, that'd be neat [09:55] Treenaks: you'd have to do some fun tricks to be able to properly address all the memory, though [09:55] probably need a couple of register pokes to get the full address in [09:55] then an IO access to get it, which would of course take eternity also [09:56] daniels: just like EMS cards used to work [09:56] that'd *really* teach you to care about framebuffer reads :) [09:56] daniels: windowed memory access [09:56] I wonder how long it would take to DMA a single frame to it [09:56] bob2: ah, knew I was forgetting something [09:56] Treenaks: heh [09:56] copying down an untiled 1600x1200x24 framebuffer would be hillarious [09:57] daniels: you'd need that EMS card to store the image data in memory :) [09:58] hm, my hard disk has more ram than my first computer did [09:58] <\sh> bob2: more then 1kB? [09:58] <\sh> ;-) [09:59] Treenaks: heh [09:59] bob2: my harddisk has almost as much RAM as my first hard disk had space [10:00] hah [10:00] i have no idea how much ram the microbee had [10:00] bah, delaying the shuttle landing again [10:00] jdub: second time today? [10:01] well, second day in a row, depending on your perspective :) [10:01] jdub: it _will_ land today :) === bytee [N=byte@c220-237-62-156.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:02] it's always today somewhere [10:02] i hate being stuck in the past, though [10:03] the past? [10:03] you're a few hours ahead of us! === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] (if you're in sydney that is) [10:03] jsgotangco: NZ is the way of the future [10:03] he's a lot of hours ahead of me === bytee [N=byte@c220-237-62-156.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] usually [10:03] <_d4vid> play Edwin Fisher/cd1/03 - Track 3.mp3 [10:03] heh [10:03] mdz: how does it feel to be stuck in the past? :) [10:03] I feel old [10:03] jsgotangco: in USA atm :) [10:04] jsgotangco: jdub's visiting the backwards land [10:04] ohh [10:04] jdub is on mdz time currently [10:04] jsgotangco: they're permanently 18 hours behind [10:04] at least you can say you're a few hours younger than us :) [10:04] So Gnome is 12 hours behind instead of 6 ahead there? [10:05] mdz: about the ruby thing - I'm sure I requested it [10:05] daniels: I try to prepare a package which builds in both sid and breezy, which uses GL and GLU headers. is it possible to specify build depends that work on both? [10:05] siretart : | operator? [10:06] siretart: libgl1-xorg-dev | xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev [10:06] ditto glu [10:06] daniels: thanks. I'll try [10:07] hm. libgl1-xorg-dev does not exist in current sid. is this a problem? [10:07] btw, can someone get rid of xlibmesa-glu-dev from breezy universe? [10:07] siretart: one of the others will exist probably? [10:08] siretart: no, because it will fall back to xlibmesa-gl-dev if sbuild is sensible enough [10:08] that's the point of | === janimo [N=jani@iv.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:08] elmo: please nuke xlibmesa-* binary packages, libxp*, libxaw8*, xmh, xdm, xfs, anything else that's NBS from xorg [10:08] daniels: I'll take you as reference when searching for a sponsor ;) [10:09] errrrr [10:15] seb128: *sigh* libnotify is half-broken on ppc and doesn't work at all on amd64 ... :-( === zeedo [N=zeedo@www.reboot-robot.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] pitti: not cool [10:17] pitti: have you pinged upstream? [10:19] couldn't reach him yet, will try again [10:19] seb128: actually I intended to upload my ubercool audio hotplug response today [10:19] but if that only works on i386, we can't do that... [10:20] right === ajmitch_ [N=ajmitch@port163-240.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _d4vid [N=xxx@tor/session/x-dd49a1e286b6ea38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbreit [N=mo@p5487697A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _koke [N=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _koke is now known as koke === ploum [N=Ploum@14-17.241.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:56] mdz, pitti : thanks a million, that was the problem and cleaning stuff manualyl helped :-) === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-46-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ajmitch [N=ajmitch@port163-240.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gbon121 [N=chatzill@bohr.pisa.iol.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [N=doko___@dsl-084-059-081-077.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Makako [N=mwerner@ns.ntm-gmbh.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === julien` is now known as julien === HiddenWolf [N=hidden@136.103.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hawk_78 [N=hawk@host58-59.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [N=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [I=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] daniels: btw, do you consider using LSB init scripts for Debian's bus as well? If so, you could just upload to experimental and we can sync it [11:28] pitti, daniels: are one of you going to update dbus? [11:28] s/are/is/ [11:29] pitti: debian lsbification> absolutely not [11:29] seb128: yes, after I've finished making dinner === terrex [N=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] daniels: cool, thanks ... and this Xnest fix? :) [11:29] this sabayon package is still waiting on my disk :p [11:29] seb128: yeah [11:29] that too [11:30] thanks [11:31] daniels: for postgresql-common I test whether the lsb include file is present, and use normal Debian output if not === Simira [N=rpGirl@150.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hawk_78 [N=hawk@host58-59.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jiyuu0 [N=jiyuu0@219.95.34.159] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [N=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58]