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jsgotangcohey all05:07
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jsgotangcogrr i dont get it is hoary's xslt borked?09:15
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Burgundaviajsgotangco, http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html10:29
Burgundaviajsgotangco, you want me to start work on the quickguide?10:32
jsgotangcosure please do this cookbook is getting hairy10:32
Burgundaviaok10:32
jsgotangcoi'll just dive in when there's content already10:32
BurgundaviaI sensed that10:32
jsgotangcohmm10:33
jsgotangcothat's a very nice page10:33
Burgundaviaindeed10:33
jsgotangcobut it didnt use the default background10:33
Burgundavianot much is default10:34
Burgundaviathat is a sales page for someone10:34
Burgundaviahttp://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=292909#post29290910:34
Burgundavialast post ont hat page10:34
jsgotangcoi sensed that10:35
jsgotangcoi lookedat the frontpage10:35
BurgundaviaI am going to steal his ideas10:36
BurgundaviaI am thinking for the quick guide, one big sectin10:36
Burgundaviano sidebar10:36
BurgundaviaI like the idea of staggered screeshots like that10:36
jsgotangcohmmm but you can't do that in docbook, you have to transform it to html to align it like that no?10:38
Burgundaviano idea10:38
Madpilotstaggered screenies make the eye move back and forth, which is a good thing </amatuer design geek>10:38
Madpilotcan't the Ubuntu wiki take CSS code like the Wikipedia engine can?10:38
jsgotangcoi dont think moin was designed for that  at all10:41
jsgotangco(presentation-centric wiki)10:41
jsgotangcoyou can make some nasty workarounds though10:41
Madpilottoo bad. the 'pedia wiki software can accept most CSS styles, without nasty workarounds10:41
Burgundaviamoin can take some stuff10:42
Burgundaviasee UserDocumenation10:42
Burgundaviathe toc stuff10:42
Burgundaviawhat about dividing the quick guide into 2 sections10:43
Burgundavia1st section is why ubuntu is great10:43
Burgundavia2 or 3 items10:43
Burgundavia2nd section is new stuff in breezy10:43
Burgundavia5-10 iteams10:43
MadpilotLooking at the stuff on UserDocumentation, it looks like moin can accept enough CSS to do the alternating pictures that Burgundavia wants10:44
Madpilotjust alternate float:right & float:left all the way down10:44
Burgundaviabecause I really like the 4 things on that guys page10:44
Burgundaviainterface, office, software updates10:45
Burgundaviaproblem with the Quick Tour is that some of the cool stuff like gnome-power,beagle and network-manager might not make the cut10:46
Madpilotit's a Quick Tour - you're only going to cover the basics, not every cool thing10:47
Burgundaviayes10:47
Burgundaviawell gnome-power and n-m are really one thing: better laptop support10:48
Burgundaviaso is the ndisgtk stuff10:48
Madpilotand you're only going to want to cover the stuff that, a) ppl do 95% of the time, and b) basic security (ie updating)10:48
Madpilotso stick an bit on the end about "Ubuntu on your Laptop" for the power & network things?10:49
BurgundaviaI am going to write a bunch of stuff10:49
Burgundaviathen cut it ruthlessly10:49
Burgundaviaand polish up the rest10:49
jsgotangcogood idea just dump and clean10:50
Madpilotif you're going to copy that commercial page, copy the whole format: screenshot, 20ish words; next screenshot.10:51
Madpilotno paragraphs, no dissertations!10:51
Madpilotit's a pamphlet, not a booklet10:51
jsgotangcohmm that's great docbook doesn't even want a ulink aything with &10:52
Burgundaviayes10:52
Burgundaviathat was my plan10:52
Madpilotfor longer help guides, I like the way linuxcommand.org is laid out - TOC, and then medium-length bits - about 2-3 screens worth - with a "Next" link at the bottom10:53
Burgundaviathat is very nice10:54
Burgundaviamakes reading eas10:55
Burgundaviay10:55
Madpilotit's digestible and navigible - "do this, then move on to the next bit" - and if you need a quick ref after, it's all accessible10:55
MadpilotI've been thinking about something similar for the U wiki10:56
Madpilotbecause most of the questions on #ubuntu are "repos, Synaptic, mp3/restricted, Java", more or less10:56
Burgundaviawas thinking about the media stuff today10:58
Madpilot?10:58
Burgundaviamy thought was to create two new pages10:58
BurgundaviaPlayingMusic and PlayingMovies10:58
Burgundaviaand then making the various formats subpages of them10:58
Burgundavialeave restrictedformats in place, just link to the new structure10:59
Burgundaviaso for .avi, it would by PlayingMovies/Avi10:59
Madpilotwhy? none of that stuff is very long, it all fits nicely on one page10:59
Burgundaviasearch10:59
Madpilotand most ppl want the whole set of codecs, not just one or two10:59
Burgundaviacurrnet default search is by title10:59
Madpilotright, and search "avi" returns nothing about video formats11:00
Burgundaviayes11:00
Madpilot"mp3' returns nothing at all...11:00
Madpilotyou've got a point - but do it backwards11:00
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Madpilotcreate all those named pages - then redirect them to RestrictedFormats11:01
Burgundaviasure11:01
Burgundaviaby restricted means nothing and is quite long11:01
BurgundaviaPlayingMusic does11:01
Madpilotremember the *rest* of our resources. restricted is all over ubotu's database, for starters11:01
Burgundaviayes11:01
Burgundaviathat is why you make Restricted a two link page11:02
Burgundaviaand fix ubotu11:02
Madpilot"good URLs don't change" - leave Restricted, with all it's contents. create the new pages for the search engine. don't have to mess with ubotu then either11:03
Burgundaviagood urls do not hcange, that is what redirects are for11:03
Madpilotthe new URLs - /mp3 and the rest - are hacks for moinmoin's search engine, that's all11:03
Burgundaviayes11:04
Burgundaviabut PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies is not11:04
Madpilotremember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two11:04
Burgundaviawould you rather tell Andrea to go to PlayingMovies or to RestrictedFormats?11:04
jsgotangcobrb11:04
Burgundaviathe wiki is still very much in its formation period11:05
Burgundavianow is the time to make these changes11:05
Madpilotgood point... so hack it up this way: leave Restricted in place, with no content but two links to Movies & Music11:05
Burgundaviaand one to Java11:05
Burgundaviathat is what I just proposed11:05
Madpilotthen create the rest of the pages /mp3 and all - and redirect them to the appropriate Movies or Music page11:06
Burgundaviasure11:06
Madpilotand don't bother ubotu, unless you really want to11:06
Burgundaviaand then fix ubotus link11:06
Burgundaviawhy not?11:06
Madpilotremember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two11:06
Burgundaviayes11:07
Madpilotand I know i just said that, but it bears repeating11:07
Burgundavialets hash out the content on the new pages and then do the switch11:08
Burgundaviathe sooner we get good content in place, the less likely we are going to have to deal with crap11:08
Madpilottrue11:09
Madpilotredirect on moin is "## <name of target page>", right?11:09
Burgundavia#REDIRECT PageToBeRedirectedTo11:10
Burgundavia## is a comment11:10
Madpilotthanks11:10
Burgundaviasame as wp markup11:10
Madpilotyou creating PlayingMusic & PlayingMovies, then?11:10
Burgundaviano11:11
Madpilot?11:11
Burgundaviagoing to bed, like I wanted to 2 hours ago11:11
Burgundaviabut couldn't11:11
Madpilotcouldn't? the computer grabbed you and wouldnt let go?11:11
Burgundaviano, couldn't sleep11:11
Madpilotah. yeah, I'm going to crash too. been a long day. g'night11:12
Burgundavianight11:12
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mgalvinhi all03:55
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jjessehello mgalvin04:24
zAo^how can I play a DVD-ISO?04:30
mgalvinzAo^: did you try asking on #ubuntu? they should be able to help you there with stuff like that04:31
zAo^sorry; wront chan :-)04:32
mgalvinnp :)04:32
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jjesseanother slow day in the doc channel :)04:37
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MezWANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling05:43
KinnisonWhat for?05:46
Meztesting a package06:01
Mez#ubuntu-testing06:01
KinnisonPerhaps not06:02
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mptjjesse: You using Breezy?06:45
jjessenope07:05
jjessekubuntu on hoary07:05
jjessesorry was afk mpt07:05
mptSo if it's a slow day, are you busy writing docs? :-)07:06
jjessegrin in between solving all the problems at work yes i'm working on the kuesrguide07:06
jjesseis there a cd build for kubuntu and breezy?07:08
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mptI'm just unable to write about Breezy-specific stuff before I install it, and unwilling to install it because I need to be doing work on this machine07:10
jjessei have that same problem, i do have a test box, but its at home where i am !broadband so looking for a cd install of kubuntu breezy07:12
mdkempt, new partition?07:12
mptthat's a possibility07:12
jjessedual boot hoary and breezy?07:13
mptthis machine is badly partitioned as it is07:13
mdkejjesse, you could always do a breezy server install and then do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop07:13
mdkeor does !broadband mean no broadband?07:13
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jjesseno broadband07:20
jjessei have dial up at home07:20
mdkeah gotcha07:20
mdkebetter ask in #kubuntu-devel if they have colony cd's out07:20
jjesseok07:22
mdkethey have daily builds07:22
mdkeno idea if they work tho07:23
jjesseasking right now07:23
mdkehttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/07:23
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jjessejust download one of the isos and then i can install it07:32
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judaxhehe, how come I didn't get kicked and all of you did?08:49
mptcoz you're speshul08:49
judaxI guess08:49
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jjessegrin no clue09:03
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=== Burgundavia grumbles very loudly about shitty moinmoin markup
BurgundaviaI cannot seem to do nested tables10:39
Burgundaviano bloody div support either10:40
sladen...at least it's not as bad as ReStRuCtUrEdToRtUrE10:43
Burgundaviayes10:52
BurgundaviaI am trying to emulate this layout: http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html10:52
Burgundavianot that hard in mediaiwiki10:52
Burgundaviasimply float the image left10:52
Burgundaviabut moin needs to wrap the image in a table to float left|right10:52
Burgundaviaand cannot accept nested tables10:52
Burgundaviaok, really ugly first draft up 12:03
Burgundaviahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft?action=show12:03

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