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| jsgotangco | hey all | 05:07 |
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| jsgotangco | grr i dont get it is hoary's xslt borked? | 09:15 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html | 10:29 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, you want me to start work on the quickguide? | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | sure please do this cookbook is getting hairy | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | i'll just dive in when there's content already | 10:32 |
| Burgundavia | I sensed that | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | that's a very nice page | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | but it didnt use the default background | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | not much is default | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | that is a sales page for someone | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=292909#post292909 | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | last post ont hat page | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | i sensed that | 10:35 |
| jsgotangco | i lookedat the frontpage | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | I am going to steal his ideas | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | I am thinking for the quick guide, one big sectin | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | no sidebar | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | I like the idea of staggered screeshots like that | 10:36 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm but you can't do that in docbook, you have to transform it to html to align it like that no? | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 10:38 |
| Madpilot | staggered screenies make the eye move back and forth, which is a good thing </amatuer design geek> | 10:38 |
| Madpilot | can't the Ubuntu wiki take CSS code like the Wikipedia engine can? | 10:38 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think moin was designed for that at all | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | (presentation-centric wiki) | 10:41 |
| jsgotangco | you can make some nasty workarounds though | 10:41 |
| Madpilot | too bad. the 'pedia wiki software can accept most CSS styles, without nasty workarounds | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | moin can take some stuff | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | see UserDocumenation | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | the toc stuff | 10:42 |
| Burgundavia | what about dividing the quick guide into 2 sections | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | 1st section is why ubuntu is great | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | 2 or 3 items | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | 2nd section is new stuff in breezy | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | 5-10 iteams | 10:43 |
| Madpilot | Looking at the stuff on UserDocumentation, it looks like moin can accept enough CSS to do the alternating pictures that Burgundavia wants | 10:44 |
| Madpilot | just alternate float:right & float:left all the way down | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | because I really like the 4 things on that guys page | 10:44 |
| Burgundavia | interface, office, software updates | 10:45 |
| Burgundavia | problem with the Quick Tour is that some of the cool stuff like gnome-power,beagle and network-manager might not make the cut | 10:46 |
| Madpilot | it's a Quick Tour - you're only going to cover the basics, not every cool thing | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:47 |
| Burgundavia | well gnome-power and n-m are really one thing: better laptop support | 10:48 |
| Burgundavia | so is the ndisgtk stuff | 10:48 |
| Madpilot | and you're only going to want to cover the stuff that, a) ppl do 95% of the time, and b) basic security (ie updating) | 10:48 |
| Madpilot | so stick an bit on the end about "Ubuntu on your Laptop" for the power & network things? | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | I am going to write a bunch of stuff | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | then cut it ruthlessly | 10:49 |
| Burgundavia | and polish up the rest | 10:49 |
| jsgotangco | good idea just dump and clean | 10:50 |
| Madpilot | if you're going to copy that commercial page, copy the whole format: screenshot, 20ish words; next screenshot. | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | no paragraphs, no dissertations! | 10:51 |
| Madpilot | it's a pamphlet, not a booklet | 10:51 |
| jsgotangco | hmm that's great docbook doesn't even want a ulink aything with & | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | that was my plan | 10:52 |
| Madpilot | for longer help guides, I like the way linuxcommand.org is laid out - TOC, and then medium-length bits - about 2-3 screens worth - with a "Next" link at the bottom | 10:53 |
| Burgundavia | that is very nice | 10:54 |
| Burgundavia | makes reading eas | 10:55 |
| Burgundavia | y | 10:55 |
| Madpilot | it's digestible and navigible - "do this, then move on to the next bit" - and if you need a quick ref after, it's all accessible | 10:55 |
| Madpilot | I've been thinking about something similar for the U wiki | 10:56 |
| Madpilot | because most of the questions on #ubuntu are "repos, Synaptic, mp3/restricted, Java", more or less | 10:56 |
| Burgundavia | was thinking about the media stuff today | 10:58 |
| Madpilot | ? | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | my thought was to create two new pages | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | and then making the various formats subpages of them | 10:58 |
| Burgundavia | leave restrictedformats in place, just link to the new structure | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | so for .avi, it would by PlayingMovies/Avi | 10:59 |
| Madpilot | why? none of that stuff is very long, it all fits nicely on one page | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | search | 10:59 |
| Madpilot | and most ppl want the whole set of codecs, not just one or two | 10:59 |
| Burgundavia | currnet default search is by title | 10:59 |
| Madpilot | right, and search "avi" returns nothing about video formats | 11:00 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:00 |
| Madpilot | "mp3' returns nothing at all... | 11:00 |
| Madpilot | you've got a point - but do it backwards | 11:00 |
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| Madpilot | create all those named pages - then redirect them to RestrictedFormats | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | by restricted means nothing and is quite long | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | PlayingMusic does | 11:01 |
| Madpilot | remember the *rest* of our resources. restricted is all over ubotu's database, for starters | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:01 |
| Burgundavia | that is why you make Restricted a two link page | 11:02 |
| Burgundavia | and fix ubotu | 11:02 |
| Madpilot | "good URLs don't change" - leave Restricted, with all it's contents. create the new pages for the search engine. don't have to mess with ubotu then either | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | good urls do not hcange, that is what redirects are for | 11:03 |
| Madpilot | the new URLs - /mp3 and the rest - are hacks for moinmoin's search engine, that's all | 11:03 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | but PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies is not | 11:04 |
| Madpilot | remember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | would you rather tell Andrea to go to PlayingMovies or to RestrictedFormats? | 11:04 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 11:04 |
| Burgundavia | the wiki is still very much in its formation period | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | now is the time to make these changes | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | good point... so hack it up this way: leave Restricted in place, with no content but two links to Movies & Music | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | and one to Java | 11:05 |
| Burgundavia | that is what I just proposed | 11:05 |
| Madpilot | then create the rest of the pages /mp3 and all - and redirect them to the appropriate Movies or Music page | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | and don't bother ubotu, unless you really want to | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | and then fix ubotus link | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | why not? | 11:06 |
| Madpilot | remember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two | 11:06 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 11:07 |
| Madpilot | and I know i just said that, but it bears repeating | 11:07 |
| Burgundavia | lets hash out the content on the new pages and then do the switch | 11:08 |
| Burgundavia | the sooner we get good content in place, the less likely we are going to have to deal with crap | 11:08 |
| Madpilot | true | 11:09 |
| Madpilot | redirect on moin is "## <name of target page>", right? | 11:09 |
| Burgundavia | #REDIRECT PageToBeRedirectedTo | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | ## is a comment | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | thanks | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | same as wp markup | 11:10 |
| Madpilot | you creating PlayingMusic & PlayingMovies, then? | 11:10 |
| Burgundavia | no | 11:11 |
| Madpilot | ? | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | going to bed, like I wanted to 2 hours ago | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | but couldn't | 11:11 |
| Madpilot | couldn't? the computer grabbed you and wouldnt let go? | 11:11 |
| Burgundavia | no, couldn't sleep | 11:11 |
| Madpilot | ah. yeah, I'm going to crash too. been a long day. g'night | 11:12 |
| Burgundavia | night | 11:12 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 03:55 |
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| jjesse | hello mgalvin | 04:24 |
| zAo^ | how can I play a DVD-ISO? | 04:30 |
| mgalvin | zAo^: did you try asking on #ubuntu? they should be able to help you there with stuff like that | 04:31 |
| zAo^ | sorry; wront chan :-) | 04:32 |
| mgalvin | np :) | 04:32 |
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| jjesse | another slow day in the doc channel :) | 04:37 |
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| Mez | WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling | 05:43 |
| Kinnison | What for? | 05:46 |
| Mez | testing a package | 06:01 |
| Mez | #ubuntu-testing | 06:01 |
| Kinnison | Perhaps not | 06:02 |
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| mpt | jjesse: You using Breezy? | 06:45 |
| jjesse | nope | 07:05 |
| jjesse | kubuntu on hoary | 07:05 |
| jjesse | sorry was afk mpt | 07:05 |
| mpt | So if it's a slow day, are you busy writing docs? :-) | 07:06 |
| jjesse | grin in between solving all the problems at work yes i'm working on the kuesrguide | 07:06 |
| jjesse | is there a cd build for kubuntu and breezy? | 07:08 |
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| mpt | I'm just unable to write about Breezy-specific stuff before I install it, and unwilling to install it because I need to be doing work on this machine | 07:10 |
| jjesse | i have that same problem, i do have a test box, but its at home where i am !broadband so looking for a cd install of kubuntu breezy | 07:12 |
| mdke | mpt, new partition? | 07:12 |
| mpt | that's a possibility | 07:12 |
| jjesse | dual boot hoary and breezy? | 07:13 |
| mpt | this machine is badly partitioned as it is | 07:13 |
| mdke | jjesse, you could always do a breezy server install and then do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | 07:13 |
| mdke | or does !broadband mean no broadband? | 07:13 |
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| jjesse | no broadband | 07:20 |
| jjesse | i have dial up at home | 07:20 |
| mdke | ah gotcha | 07:20 |
| mdke | better ask in #kubuntu-devel if they have colony cd's out | 07:20 |
| jjesse | ok | 07:22 |
| mdke | they have daily builds | 07:22 |
| mdke | no idea if they work tho | 07:23 |
| jjesse | asking right now | 07:23 |
| mdke | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ | 07:23 |
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| jjesse | just download one of the isos and then i can install it | 07:32 |
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| judax | hehe, how come I didn't get kicked and all of you did? | 08:49 |
| mpt | coz you're speshul | 08:49 |
| judax | I guess | 08:49 |
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| jjesse | grin no clue | 09:03 |
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| Burgundavia | I cannot seem to do nested tables | 10:39 |
| Burgundavia | no bloody div support either | 10:40 |
| sladen | ...at least it's not as bad as ReStRuCtUrEdToRtUrE | 10:43 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | I am trying to emulate this layout: http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | not that hard in mediaiwiki | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | simply float the image left | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | but moin needs to wrap the image in a table to float left|right | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | and cannot accept nested tables | 10:52 |
| Burgundavia | ok, really ugly first draft up | 12:03 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft?action=show | 12:03 |
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