=== WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-43-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-43-196.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [N=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [N=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3542827.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [N=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3542827.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [N=troy@adsl-69-149-116-187.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:07] hey all === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [N=jiyuu0@219.95.240.242] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:15] grr i dont get it is hoary's xslt borked? === Burgundavia [N=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:29] jsgotangco, http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html [10:32] jsgotangco, you want me to start work on the quickguide? [10:32] sure please do this cookbook is getting hairy [10:32] ok [10:32] i'll just dive in when there's content already [10:32] I sensed that [10:33] hmm [10:33] that's a very nice page [10:33] indeed [10:33] but it didnt use the default background [10:34] not much is default [10:34] that is a sales page for someone [10:34] http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=292909#post292909 [10:34] last post ont hat page [10:35] i sensed that [10:35] i lookedat the frontpage [10:36] I am going to steal his ideas [10:36] I am thinking for the quick guide, one big sectin [10:36] no sidebar [10:36] I like the idea of staggered screeshots like that [10:38] hmmm but you can't do that in docbook, you have to transform it to html to align it like that no? [10:38] no idea [10:38] staggered screenies make the eye move back and forth, which is a good thing [10:38] can't the Ubuntu wiki take CSS code like the Wikipedia engine can? [10:41] i dont think moin was designed for that at all [10:41] (presentation-centric wiki) [10:41] you can make some nasty workarounds though [10:41] too bad. the 'pedia wiki software can accept most CSS styles, without nasty workarounds [10:42] moin can take some stuff [10:42] see UserDocumenation [10:42] the toc stuff [10:43] what about dividing the quick guide into 2 sections [10:43] 1st section is why ubuntu is great [10:43] 2 or 3 items [10:43] 2nd section is new stuff in breezy [10:43] 5-10 iteams [10:44] Looking at the stuff on UserDocumentation, it looks like moin can accept enough CSS to do the alternating pictures that Burgundavia wants [10:44] just alternate float:right & float:left all the way down [10:44] because I really like the 4 things on that guys page [10:45] interface, office, software updates [10:46] problem with the Quick Tour is that some of the cool stuff like gnome-power,beagle and network-manager might not make the cut [10:47] it's a Quick Tour - you're only going to cover the basics, not every cool thing [10:47] yes [10:48] well gnome-power and n-m are really one thing: better laptop support [10:48] so is the ndisgtk stuff [10:48] and you're only going to want to cover the stuff that, a) ppl do 95% of the time, and b) basic security (ie updating) [10:49] so stick an bit on the end about "Ubuntu on your Laptop" for the power & network things? [10:49] I am going to write a bunch of stuff [10:49] then cut it ruthlessly [10:49] and polish up the rest [10:50] good idea just dump and clean [10:51] if you're going to copy that commercial page, copy the whole format: screenshot, 20ish words; next screenshot. [10:51] no paragraphs, no dissertations! [10:51] it's a pamphlet, not a booklet [10:52] hmm that's great docbook doesn't even want a ulink aything with & [10:52] yes [10:52] that was my plan [10:53] for longer help guides, I like the way linuxcommand.org is laid out - TOC, and then medium-length bits - about 2-3 screens worth - with a "Next" link at the bottom [10:54] that is very nice [10:55] makes reading eas [10:55] y [10:55] it's digestible and navigible - "do this, then move on to the next bit" - and if you need a quick ref after, it's all accessible [10:56] I've been thinking about something similar for the U wiki [10:56] because most of the questions on #ubuntu are "repos, Synaptic, mp3/restricted, Java", more or less [10:58] was thinking about the media stuff today [10:58] ? [10:58] my thought was to create two new pages [10:58] PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies [10:58] and then making the various formats subpages of them [10:59] leave restrictedformats in place, just link to the new structure [10:59] so for .avi, it would by PlayingMovies/Avi [10:59] why? none of that stuff is very long, it all fits nicely on one page [10:59] search [10:59] and most ppl want the whole set of codecs, not just one or two [10:59] currnet default search is by title [11:00] right, and search "avi" returns nothing about video formats [11:00] yes [11:00] "mp3' returns nothing at all... [11:00] you've got a point - but do it backwards === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-46-218.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:01] create all those named pages - then redirect them to RestrictedFormats [11:01] sure [11:01] by restricted means nothing and is quite long [11:01] PlayingMusic does [11:01] remember the *rest* of our resources. restricted is all over ubotu's database, for starters [11:01] yes [11:02] that is why you make Restricted a two link page [11:02] and fix ubotu [11:03] "good URLs don't change" - leave Restricted, with all it's contents. create the new pages for the search engine. don't have to mess with ubotu then either [11:03] good urls do not hcange, that is what redirects are for [11:03] the new URLs - /mp3 and the rest - are hacks for moinmoin's search engine, that's all [11:04] yes [11:04] but PlayingMusic and PlayingMovies is not [11:04] remember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two [11:04] would you rather tell Andrea to go to PlayingMovies or to RestrictedFormats? [11:04] brb [11:05] the wiki is still very much in its formation period [11:05] now is the time to make these changes [11:05] good point... so hack it up this way: leave Restricted in place, with no content but two links to Movies & Music [11:05] and one to Java [11:05] that is what I just proposed [11:06] then create the rest of the pages /mp3 and all - and redirect them to the appropriate Movies or Music page [11:06] sure [11:06] and don't bother ubotu, unless you really want to [11:06] and then fix ubotus link [11:06] why not? [11:06] remember what I said about most people wanting *all* the codecs, not just one or two [11:07] yes [11:07] and I know i just said that, but it bears repeating [11:08] lets hash out the content on the new pages and then do the switch [11:08] the sooner we get good content in place, the less likely we are going to have to deal with crap [11:09] true [11:09] redirect on moin is "## ", right? [11:10] #REDIRECT PageToBeRedirectedTo [11:10] ## is a comment [11:10] thanks [11:10] same as wp markup [11:10] you creating PlayingMusic & PlayingMovies, then? [11:11] no [11:11] ? [11:11] going to bed, like I wanted to 2 hours ago [11:11] but couldn't [11:11] couldn't? the computer grabbed you and wouldnt let go? [11:11] no, couldn't sleep [11:12] ah. yeah, I'm going to crash too. been a long day. g'night [11:12] night === Seveas [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jiyuu0 [N=jiyuu0@219.95.34.159] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-50-103.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [N=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === avanspronsen [N=andrewv@London-HSE-ppp3542827.sympatico.ca] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-51-126.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [N=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [N=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:55] hi all === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:24] hello mgalvin [04:30] how can I play a DVD-ISO? [04:31] zAo^: did you try asking on #ubuntu? they should be able to help you there with stuff like that [04:32] sorry; wront chan :-) [04:32] np :) === poningru [N=poningru@pool-71-243-232-187.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:37] another slow day in the doc channel :) === rwabel [N=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [N=WaterSev@bl5-52-208.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [N=poningru@pool-71-243-234-171.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:43] WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling [05:46] What for? [06:01] testing a package [06:01] #ubuntu-testing [06:02] Perhaps not === Kinnison gets on with his launchpad work [06:45] jjesse: You using Breezy? [07:05] nope [07:05] kubuntu on hoary [07:05] sorry was afk mpt [07:06] So if it's a slow day, are you busy writing docs? :-) [07:06] grin in between solving all the problems at work yes i'm working on the kuesrguide [07:08] is there a cd build for kubuntu and breezy? === mpt shrugs [07:10] I'm just unable to write about Breezy-specific stuff before I install it, and unwilling to install it because I need to be doing work on this machine [07:12] i have that same problem, i do have a test box, but its at home where i am !broadband so looking for a cd install of kubuntu breezy [07:12] mpt, new partition? [07:12] that's a possibility [07:13] dual boot hoary and breezy? [07:13] this machine is badly partitioned as it is [07:13] jjesse, you could always do a breezy server install and then do a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop [07:13] or does !broadband mean no broadband? === enrico [N=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:20] no broadband [07:20] i have dial up at home [07:20] ah gotcha [07:20] better ask in #kubuntu-devel if they have colony cd's out [07:22] ok [07:22] they have daily builds [07:23] no idea if they work tho [07:23] asking right now [07:23] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:32] just download one of the isos and then i can install it === mgalvin [N=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Kinnison [N=dsilvers@haddenham.pepperfish.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [N=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [N=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === judax [N=troy@adsl-69-149-116-187.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [N=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [N=asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [N=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:49] hehe, how come I didn't get kicked and all of you did? [08:49] coz you're speshul [08:49] I guess === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:03] grin no clue === Burgundavia [N=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia grumbles very loudly about shitty moinmoin markup [10:39] I cannot seem to do nested tables [10:40] no bloody div support either [10:43] ...at least it's not as bad as ReStRuCtUrEdToRtUrE [10:52] yes [10:52] I am trying to emulate this layout: http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html [10:52] not that hard in mediaiwiki [10:52] simply float the image left [10:52] but moin needs to wrap the image in a table to float left|right [10:52] and cannot accept nested tables [12:03] ok, really ugly first draft up [12:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft?action=show