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| tseng | slomo? | 12:17 |
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| slomo | do you want to upload something trivial for me? ;) | 12:17 |
| tseng | ok | 12:17 |
| slomo | http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/blam_1.8.2-2ubuntu2.debdiff | 12:17 |
| tseng | oh | 12:18 |
| tseng | right | 12:18 |
| ajmitch | why the change? | 12:19 |
| tseng | + * Corrected the Planet Ubuntu URL (.com not .org) | 12:19 |
| tseng | brainfart | 12:19 |
| ajmitch | right | 12:19 |
| tseng | no, I dont use mom | 12:19 |
| tseng | i am a bad person and I apply changes from memory | 12:19 |
| slomo | at least you have a somewhat working memory ;) | 12:20 |
| tseng | done | 12:21 |
| slomo | thanks | 12:22 |
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| mbreit | tseng: do you want to rebuild something for me? ;) | 01:24 |
| tseng | like what | 01:25 |
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| mbreit | tseng: gutenbrowser is the source package... it has unmet dependencies, but after a rebuild, it works fine | 01:25 |
| mbreit | (well, not fine... it's a damn ugly qt program...) | 01:26 |
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| tseng | done | 01:29 |
| mbreit | thanks! | 01:29 |
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| mbreit | doko: may i move aspell-de-alt to your done-row in UniverseUnmetDeps? | 01:42 |
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| mbreit | ah, tseng: you could rebuild sqsh as well... | 01:46 |
| tseng | or I could go to dinner | 01:47 |
| mbreit | again unmet deps | 01:47 |
| tseng | sorry | 01:47 |
| mbreit | that's definitly a better idea ;) | 01:47 |
| slomo | gn8 everybody | 01:53 |
| mbreit | gn8 slomo | 01:53 |
| mbreit | err, well, i think i got to bed as well, so gn8 everybody | 01:53 |
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| crimsun | geez, rosegarden is a PITA. | 02:12 |
| chillywilly | music software for linux? | 02:13 |
| crimsun | yeah. It takes forever to run through the compile-test cycle | 02:13 |
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| chillywilly | you're packaging it? | 02:14 |
| === chillywilly should try using it ;) | ||
| chillywilly | I got some tunes to record | 02:15 |
| crimsun | it's already packaged. I'm fixing it. | 02:17 |
| chillywilly | ok | 02:17 |
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| cat | hey everyone | 02:20 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, you want muine bug reports, or shall I just tell you? | 02:37 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: meh | 02:47 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: whatever floats your boat. | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, 1st one is easy: Error loading plug-in TrayIcon.dll: gdk-x11-2.0 | 02:48 |
| tseng | i have that | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | 2nd one is a seg fault with double-clicking on a song | 02:48 |
| tseng | uh | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | clicking play works fine | 02:48 |
| tseng | works for me | 02:48 |
| Burgundavia | let me get you a backtrace | 02:49 |
| tseng | im not sure that will help | 02:49 |
| tseng | upstream is mia | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 02:49 |
| tseng | he comes and goes | 02:49 |
| Burgundavia | nev mind then | 02:50 |
| Burgundavia | hope it goes away on its own (it may be some other part of the system) | 02:50 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, cool, delete pressing delete and enter also cause a segfault | 02:57 |
| tseng | ctrl f does for sure | 02:57 |
| Burgundavia | ironically, that doesn't do anything here | 02:57 |
| Burgundavia | I take that back | 02:58 |
| tseng | http://tseng.ath.cx/images/08-08-05_2051.jpg | 02:58 |
| tseng | sweet :) | 02:58 |
| Burgundavia | you lucky man | 02:58 |
| tseng | check the mono branded ruppert doll | 02:59 |
| tseng | for the win | 02:59 |
| Burgundavia | finally, ext2/3 for windows --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11506 | 03:01 |
| tseng | huh rock on | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | no need for clunky addon programs | 03:01 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, notice with the segfault it takes the last command and then dies | 03:03 |
| tseng | yeah | 03:06 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, it is cowbell | 03:07 |
| tseng | what is? | 03:08 |
| Burgundavia | the muine crashes | 03:08 |
| Burgundavia | just removed it and they went away | 03:08 |
| tseng | you.. removed cowbell | 03:08 |
| tseng | and muine doesnt crash? | 03:08 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:08 |
| tseng | do you have some of that crackrock left? | 03:09 |
| Burgundavia | I have no idea how that worked | 03:09 |
| Burgundavia | let me test again | 03:09 |
| tseng | k. | 03:09 |
| Burgundavia | might have just been planetary alignment | 03:09 |
| chillywilly | mmm, crack rock | 03:09 |
| tseng | yeah it sounds insanely odd | 03:09 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, was smoking | 03:10 |
| Burgundavia | with planetary alignment | 03:10 |
| Burgundavia | cowbell doesn't cause it | 03:10 |
| tseng | one theory down :) | 03:10 |
| tseng | ill ask Mono Ruppert | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | afternoon | 03:11 |
| tseng | hi aj | 03:11 |
| Burgundavia | salut ajmitch | 03:11 |
| Burgundavia | this is maddening, now it won't crash | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | Burgundavia: that's the fun of development | 03:12 |
| Burgundavia | ajmitch, I was wondering why X wouldn't start and I couldn't find gdm. | 03:12 |
| tseng | Burgundavia: ive had similar experiences, but all stemming from muine ruffle plugin | 03:12 |
| === Burgundavia hangs his head in shame | ||
| tseng | which i traced down to something with sqlite | 03:12 |
| === Burgundavia removed his gdm and didn't notice | ||
| tseng | ajmitch: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/08-08-05_2051.jpg < rupperts new home | 03:14 |
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| chillywilly | Ubuntu rocks my socks | 03:16 |
| Burgundavia | tseng, I wonder if cairo is the issue. I have had synaptic randomly segfaulting as well | 03:16 |
| tseng | hm | 03:16 |
| Amaranth | start it in gdb and run it until it dies | 03:16 |
| tseng | thats completely useless | 03:17 |
| tseng | (attaching muine) | 03:17 |
| tseng | a coredump maybe | 03:17 |
| Amaranth | i meant synaptic | 03:17 |
| Burgundavia | how do I do one of those? | 03:17 |
| tseng | stepping through it is an exercise in futility | 03:17 |
| tseng | any gstreamer app really | 03:17 |
| tseng | the timer is going constantly | 03:18 |
| ajmitch | tseng: nice | 03:18 |
| bmonty | hi everyone | 03:23 |
| chillywilly | who the heck is ruppert? | 03:24 |
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| chillywilly | bddebian! | 03:32 |
| bddebian | Heya chillywilly | 03:32 |
| bmonty | what? | 03:34 |
| ajmitch | hello bddebian | 03:34 |
| bmonty | hey bddebian | 03:34 |
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| bddebian | Heya ajmitch, bmonty | 03:39 |
| bmonty | whats going on? | 03:40 |
| bddebian | Just put the kids to bed. You? | 03:40 |
| === ajmitch is working.. | ||
| bmonty | no kids....yet, but I figured I work on some more unmet deps | 03:41 |
| bddebian | I thought ajmitch automated all that for us already? :-) | 03:42 |
| bmonty | lol | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: yeah right | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | I'm still waiting for that DSL upgrade | 03:44 |
| bddebian | No? | 03:44 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | it's a bit hard to download all the source on that list with a 256Kbps line :) | 03:45 |
| tseng | oh did you fix up that script? | 03:45 |
| ajmitch | tseng: nope, that's next on the list | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | once I get some spare time, and I care enough to use my box at home | 03:46 |
| bddebian | Right after taking a nap :-) | 03:46 |
| ajmitch | more or less :) | 03:47 |
| === ajmitch will start the downloads now | ||
| bmonty | if I could get my chroot to build, I might be able to make some progress on a script | 03:48 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I've got a pretty fast connection if you want me to try something | 03:48 |
| bmonty | same here | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: mine is meant to be upgraded to 2Mbps today | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | I'll need to do a bit of hacking anyway :) | 03:49 |
| bddebian | 2Mb..pfft.. ;-P | 03:49 |
| bmonty | I keep getting the error "Couldn't download libiw27" when I try to use debootstrap to make a chroot | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: that's fast for NZ | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | Need to get 515MB of source archives. | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | yay | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | I see someone else at the flat is abusing the bandwidth as usual | 03:51 |
| ajmitch | iptables time.. | 03:51 |
| bmonty | lol....its good to be the person that knows how to control the firewall | 03:52 |
| bddebian | Hmm, what to work on tonight | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: start working on FTBFS issues :) | 03:52 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: On what? | 03:52 |
| ajmitch | FTBFS.. | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | get the build list | 03:53 |
| bddebian | From what list? | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | I gave the url yesterday | 03:53 |
| bddebian | You did? | 03:53 |
| === bddebian is on crack | ||
| ajmitch | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | yep | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | plenty of failed packages in there | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | not sure if he's handing back all of universe every few days or not | 03:54 |
| bddebian | Ack, is there a consolidated list anywhere there? | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | see Lists | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | or byDate | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | the breezy failed list looks too short to be true in the Lists dir | 03:57 |
| bddebian | :-) | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | but I suspect it's not build failures there | 03:58 |
| bddebian | Those lists pretty much make no sense :-) | 04:04 |
| ajmitch | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/20050804.html | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | for example, what is so hard to understand here? | 04:05 |
| ajmitch | there are successful builds, and there are failures | 04:05 |
| bddebian | They're all ia64 and ppc failures.. ;-P | 04:06 |
| ajmitch | not all | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | take a closer look | 04:07 |
| bddebian | I was kidding. :-) | 04:07 |
| ajmitch | so find something broken & fix it | 04:08 |
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| ajmitch | or if you want something different, look on revu & look over some packages, adding comments where you can | 04:09 |
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| chillywilly | ajmitch: I have 6MBit down roughly | 04:13 |
| chillywilly | :) | 04:13 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: congratulations | 04:16 |
| chillywilly | there are like 7 i386 failures | 04:16 |
| chillywilly | all the rest are weird archs | 04:16 |
| chillywilly | ;P | 04:16 |
| bddebian | And several are xfce | 04:16 |
| bddebian | And debian-installer which I don't even get why that's there :-) | 04:17 |
| chillywilly | danielb@corporate2:/etc/bind$ uname -a | 04:17 |
| chillywilly | Linux corporate2 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 15:42:34 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 04:17 |
| chillywilly | :) | 04:17 |
| chillywilly | I have a couple dual amd64 machines at work :) | 04:17 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: So get busy ;-) | 04:18 |
| chillywilly | I am busy setting them up | 04:19 |
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| chillywilly | :) | 04:19 |
| === chillywilly is going to install 3DM2 next | ||
| chillywilly | and the 3ware cli tools | 04:19 |
| chillywilly | then smartmontools | 04:20 |
| chillywilly | and tons of other crap | 04:20 |
| bddebian | I'm bored. :'-( | 04:20 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: so when are you going to provide breezy chroots for us to work in? | 04:21 |
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| majic | does anyone know if the Ruby package from Breezy was backported yet? | 04:22 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: well, I don't own those machines | 04:22 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: depends on what the load is like after they're in production ;) | 04:23 |
| bmonty | somebody want to upload the source package for bluez-utils? it doesn't need any changes, just a rebuild | 04:23 |
| Lathiat | majic: should bu in the real backports archive | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: so you're just showing them off then, not providing them for use? :) | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: we can't, and a rebuild doesn't fix it | 04:24 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: penguin computing stopped making the Altus 3150 | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | you can still install the main package,bluez-utils | 04:24 |
| bmonty | hmm, I just rebuilt the package and was able to install it, remove it, upgrade in my chroot | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | but another package is on the unmet deps list because of firmware | 04:25 |
| chillywilly | we still have support but they pulled that product off their site :( | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: unmet deps has source packages, remember | 04:25 |
| bmonty | yup, I built the package from source | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | and there can be cases where most of the binaries install properly, except on | 04:25 |
| ajmitch | which is the case for bluex-utils | 04:25 |
| bmonty | k, I'll leave it alone then | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: eg, try install bluez-bcm203x | 04:26 |
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| ajmitch | you'll find that it fails, which is why it is on the list | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: besides, it's in main | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | this is why a simple rebuild of everything doesn't work unless you test installation of *all* the binary packages | 04:27 |
| bmonty | hmm, I missed that :(....so it should be in the main category on the unmet deps page then | 04:27 |
| ajmitch | yes | 04:27 |
| bddebian | What's the latest with libgtkmm? | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: and I think the fix that may get implemented is just disabling the bluez-bcm203x package | 04:28 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: ask dholbach if you see him | 04:28 |
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| bmonty | ajmitch: ok, thanks | 04:29 |
| bddebian | Sheesh, maybe I'll just work on Hurd stuff | 04:29 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: if you want to | 04:30 |
| ajmitch | throwing out a random package name & expecting us to know 'the latest' doesn't often work | 04:30 |
| bddebian | ?? | 04:31 |
| bddebian | Ohh | 04:31 |
| bddebian | Well I was trying to find something else to fix other than UnmetDeps | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | right | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | don't you like unmet deps any more? | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | I think we're going to have more X fun in the next couple of weeks, judging by the -44 changelog | 04:32 |
| bddebian | It's repetative and takes too long just to test 1 single stinking package :-) | 04:32 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: who said MOTU work was fun? | 04:33 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: I asked daniels if he needed any help but he ignored me :-) | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | it's a thankless task that just keeps on piling up | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: trying to initiate someone new in the ways of X packaging when he has to have it done by feature freeze is futile | 04:33 |
| bddebian | Well "fun" is a relative term. It almost seems pointless | 04:33 |
| chillywilly | thanks for being a MOTU ajmitch ;) | 04:33 |
| chillywilly | there? see? It's not thankless!?! | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: almost as much as Hurd development ;) | 04:34 |
| === bddebian whips out the trout | ||
| bmonty | I've learned a lot working on the unmet deps | 04:34 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Well thats a labor of "love" ;-P | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: so is MOTU work | 04:34 |
| bmonty | at least I know where most of the ubuntu devel tools are on the web | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | people only mention it when things break | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | other times they just use it | 04:35 |
| chillywilly | thanks be to all MOTUs for without such dedicated people I would not have some of my favorite wares, I salute thee | 04:35 |
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| bddebian | Why does \sh still have libicq2000 on UnmetDeps under Cxx transition? | 04:48 |
| chillywilly | whoops him | 04:48 |
| chillywilly | whoop too | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | because it was only uploaded in the last day or so? | 04:49 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: No, the binary is still unmet but it builds fine | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | go ahead & fix it then | 04:49 |
| bddebian | Fix what? I think it just needs a rebuild and I can't upload?? | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | I did say that it had been uploaded in the last 24 hours or so | 04:52 |
| ajmitch | you say it's still broken, so there must be something wrong | 04:52 |
| bddebian | The ubuntu1 version doesn't appear to be the one in the archive!? | 04:53 |
| bddebian | wtf | 04:54 |
| chillywilly | ftw | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | because there's a new binary name?!?? | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | it has to be manually approved | 04:55 |
| bddebian | Oh, hehe | 04:55 |
| bddebian | <-- dumbass | 04:55 |
| chillywilly | be nice to bddebian | 04:55 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: I am being nice :P | 04:56 |
| chillywilly | he should be nice to himself ;) | 04:56 |
| bddebian | chillywilly: Yeah, I at least TRY to help and he's mean.. ;-P | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | bring on the violins :P | 04:56 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch is a nice guy | 04:56 |
| chillywilly | I love you ajmitch | 04:56 |
| === ajmitch is not a nice guy :) | ||
| ajmitch | php has warped me | 04:57 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:57 |
| chillywilly | they should use Python, twisted, and nevow | 05:00 |
| chillywilly | :) | 05:00 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: show them the way ;) | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | of those, I'e used python | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | and rewriting a rather large app just for the sake of it, is incredibly unproductive | 05:01 |
| chillywilly | and REST of course | 05:01 |
| bmonty | if a package needs fam and depends on libfam0 (the client lib) does it need to also depend on fam? | 05:01 |
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| chillywilly | RESTification is worth it ;) | 05:01 |
| bmonty | libfam0 depends on fam | 05:02 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: those are currently my tools of choice | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: then I'd say that just depending on libfam0 will do | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | since that will drag in fam anyway | 05:03 |
| === ajmitch could be wrong | ||
| bmonty | yeah, thats what I thought | 05:03 |
| bmonty | you haven't been wrong so far tonight :) | 05:03 |
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| ajmitch | bmonty: I spent enough years in training ;) | 05:05 |
| chillywilly | ajmitch: all web apps should follow REST principles as closely as possible and practical, imho :) | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | chillywilly: sure, in your opinion ;) | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | I think it is useful as well, but rewriting existing apps is fairly pointless | 05:05 |
| chillywilly | well, that depends | 05:05 |
| chillywilly | I know a certain website/app that should just plain die ;) | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | sure | 05:06 |
| chillywilly | a rewrite would be a major improvement | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | but it's slightly OT here | 05:06 |
| chillywilly | sorry... | 05:06 |
| === ajmitch feels like going home early today | ||
| chillywilly | doh | 05:07 |
| chillywilly | Peter Jennings died | 05:08 |
| ajmitch | ok | 05:08 |
| bddebian | Ahh WTF | 05:09 |
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| === chillywilly does a remote reboot and crosses his fingers ;) | ||
| === ajmitch isn't silly enough to do a remote restart of his dsl modem today | ||
| ajmitch | since that'll probably involve unloading & reloading the usb kernel modules | 05:11 |
| chillywilly | this is just the big noisy 3U box in my office | 05:12 |
| chillywilly | if it doesn't come back up the only thing that will suck is I won't be able to do anymore setup | 05:12 |
| chillywilly | from here | 05:12 |
| chillywilly | which might be a good thing considering I don't paid by the hour anyway ;) | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | hehe | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | it'll probably live just to spite you | 05:13 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:13 |
| chillywilly | it came back up | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | if only bddebian's hurd boxes would be remote-rebootable so easily | 05:14 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:14 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: wire up a relay for the reset switches :) | 05:14 |
| bddebian | They typically reboot OK, it's just that our ext2fs sucks so bad, the fscks fail on bootup :-) | 05:15 |
| ajmitch | makes sense | 05:15 |
| chillywilly | bddebian: write a new ext2fs | 05:17 |
| chillywilly | :) | 05:17 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: write a decent networked filesystem instead | 05:18 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: smbfs? | 05:18 |
| chillywilly | hahah | 05:19 |
| chillywilly | cifs ;) | 05:19 |
| bddebian | Sure | 05:19 |
| bddebian | God I hate UniverseUnmetDeps | 05:20 |
| bmonty | ajmitch: isn't there a network file system that mirrors stuff to your drive and syncs up automatically? | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: probably, but we're talking about the Hurd, which is a little lacking in a decent network filesystem | 05:26 |
| bmonty | ahh | 05:26 |
| ajmitch | bddebian's other spare time project is hacking the hurd | 05:26 |
| bmonty | he must have lots of spare time | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Not hardly | 05:28 |
| bddebian | And even less skills and patience :-) | 05:28 |
| Lathiat | haha | 05:29 |
| bddebian | That's not funny, it's depressing :-) | 05:30 |
| chillywilly | pfft | 05:33 |
| bmonty | goodnight guys...I think I got one thing productive done, I posted a debdiff for doodle on the wiki | 05:38 |
| bddebian | Gnight bmonty,thanks :-) | 05:39 |
| bmonty | cya all later | 05:39 |
| bddebian | I swear that 4 out of 5 things that I try to build FTBFS.. :'-( | 05:41 |
| crimsun | ftbfs isn't bad | 05:42 |
| crimsun | it's the ftbfs && g++4 && kde-based prog that really hurts | 05:43 |
| bddebian | Well yes, that's true | 05:51 |
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| chillywilly | I think it's time for beddy bye | 05:53 |
| chillywilly | g'night dudes | 05:53 |
| bddebian | Later chillywilly | 05:53 |
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| Mez | Siretart: ping | 10:07 |
| siretart | huhu Mez (pong) :) | 10:08 |
| Mez | can you purge simias from REVU | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | hi Mez, siretart | 10:08 |
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| siretart | huhu ajmitch | 10:09 |
| Treenaks | ajmitch: good luck | 10:09 |
| siretart | Mez: will do | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | since I'm still running the hoary kernel | 10:09 |
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| Mez | dont run the hoary kernel for breezy | 10:09 |
| Mez | install the breezy kernel first | 10:09 |
| mbreit | hi all | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | Mez: and why not? | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | since I've been using it for the last several months with no problem | 10:09 |
| Mez | cause it doesnt work :P | 10:10 |
| mbreit | Mez: i have been using hoary kernel for breezy, too... no problems... | 10:10 |
| ajmitch | udev may have had issues if I was to reboot without the 2.6.12 kernel | 10:10 |
| Mez | weird... | 10:16 |
| Mez | I've been using breezy kernel ever since Ive been usin breexy | 10:16 |
| ajmitch | so why would you then say that the hoary kernel doesn't work? | 10:18 |
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| Mez | cause it didnt work for me | 10:27 |
| Mez | If i try uysing the hoary kernel it wont boot | 10:27 |
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| ajmitch_ | well | 10:48 |
| ajmitch_ | system still hasn't come up yet, still fscking ; | 10:48 |
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| JanC | <Burgundavia> finally, ext2/3 for windows --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11506 | 11:31 |
| JanC | "finally" ? | 11:31 |
| JanC | there is also an open source ext2 IFS driver... | 11:32 |
| Treenaks | JanC: which doesn't work | 11:32 |
| Treenaks | JanC: (tried it last Saturday) | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | it works | 11:33 |
| JanC | I have used it... ? | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | but it caused a number of windows kernel panics | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | randomly | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | but fo rthe most part it worked | 11:33 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: it didn't for me.. it didn't recognise my USB disk | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | pretty cool ti has write support tho | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | Treenaks: you have to set it up | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | with the program | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | so youd plug yoru usb disk in and load the program etc | 11:33 |
| Lathiat | it wasnt overlyh great | 11:33 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: yes, I did. but that program didn't find the drive | 11:33 |
| JanC | which driver have you folks used ? | 11:34 |
| JanC | tehre are 2 or 3 open source drivers :) | 11:34 |
| Treenaks | JanC: some 0.3 one | 11:34 |
| JanC | try this one: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/#ext2fsd | 11:35 |
| Treenaks | JanC: I don't need it anymore :) | 11:35 |
| JanC | bookmark it then :) | 11:35 |
| Lathiat | i ahvent seen one that writes yet | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | so this one must be either good or the author is crazy | 11:37 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: or BOTH | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | haha | 11:37 |
| Lathiat | can i resize ext3 online with ubuntus kernels? | 11:38 |
| JanC | write support is marked experimental :) | 11:38 |
| Treenaks | Lathiat: online? that's scary | 11:39 |
| Lathiat | heh | 11:40 |
| Lathiat | well | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | ah, ext2online only goes growing | 11:41 |
| Treenaks | this is why people love live CD's | 11:42 |
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| Treenaks | so you can do it offline in a sane way | 11:42 |
| Treenaks | hey Seveas | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | heh | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | well | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | bbs, i hope ;p | 11:42 |
| Seveas | hi | 11:43 |
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| Lathiat | well | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | parted refuses to resize it | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | says its busy | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | yet neither swap nor the fs is mounted | 12:25 |
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| infinito | \sh: ping | 12:56 |
| Nafallo | \sh: ping jabber | 12:56 |
| Mez | jabber ? | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | Mez: I can only see ajmitch as online | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | i.e. something odd is up with jabber.org :-P | 12:58 |
| Nafallo | also, it takes >10s for messages from me to my girlfriend. | 12:59 |
| Mez | Nafallo: address/ | 01:01 |
| Nafallo | nafallo@jabber.org / gothcat@jabber.org | 01:01 |
| Mez | gothcat as in gothcat that recently became a member | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | gothcat is -EBUSY though :-) | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | yepp | 01:02 |
| Nafallo | my girlfriend :-) | 01:02 |
| Mez | fair enough | 01:03 |
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| hno73 | NOTICE: the ubuntu and udu wikis are now READ-ONLY, so hold off on edits for a while. Should be about 30 minutes. Thanks. | 01:19 |
| infinito | anyone here is in charge for syncing pkgs from MOTUToSync?? | 01:23 |
| ajmitch | infinito: elmo does syncs | 01:23 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: morning :-) | 01:24 |
| infinito | ajmitch: elmo seems not to be here.... | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | and we shoul mark them off done | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | infinito: that's right, elmo doesn't visit -motu | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | hey Nafallo | 01:24 |
| Nafallo | ajmitch: how come you're the one MOTU I see on my jabber? :-) | 01:25 |
| Nafallo | and Mez now, actually | 01:25 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: no idea, I saw ogra come online earlier | 01:25 |
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| Nafallo | ajmitch: yea, but \sh is not there. and he should _always_ be there IIRC ;-) | 01:26 |
| ajmitch | it's a worry ;) | 01:26 |
| retrix | hey, how do i specify i want to build an architecture-independent package? | 01:26 |
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| ajmitch | retrix: Architecture: all in debian/control | 01:27 |
| retrix | ajmitch, hmm ok, i had any in there for some reason | 01:27 |
| ajmitch | any means build on any arch | 01:29 |
| ajmitch | all means the package works on all :) | 01:29 |
| retrix | ah i see, thx | 01:29 |
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| \sh | heaven and hell...back from bloody meetings | 01:32 |
| Nafallo | \sh: wee! :-) | 01:32 |
| Nafallo | \sh: why can't I see you online on jabber? :-) | 01:32 |
| mbreit | hi \sh | 01:33 |
| hno73 | NOTICE: The ubuntu wiki is now writable again after pages have been transferred in from the UDU wiki. udu.wiki.ubuntu.com now forwards to wiki.ubuntu.com | 01:33 |
| \sh | Nafallo: cause I'm not online with jabber right now :) | 01:34 |
| Nafallo | \sh: WHAT? now you're scaring me. | 01:34 |
| \sh | Nafallo: now I'm online ,-) | 01:34 |
| Nafallo | \sh: see jabber ;-) | 01:35 |
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| \sh | mbreit: hey..U msged me | 01:37 |
| DanielN | hiho guys | 01:37 |
| mbreit | \sh: do you know a famir, or fatmir or so from essen? | 01:38 |
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| \sh | mbreit: no...but farid ,-) | 01:38 |
| mbreit | \sh: yes, that was it ;) | 01:38 |
| \sh | farid mesbahi | 01:38 |
| mbreit | \sh: he was at our lug meeting yesterday ;)) | 01:38 |
| \sh | mbreit: really? well...I know him since my early c64 days :) | 01:39 |
| mbreit | \sh: yes, he told us that he knows you from essen... | 01:39 |
| \sh | yeah...I lived in essen when I was 13 till my age of 17 | 01:40 |
| \sh | essen-steele to be exact | 01:40 |
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| mbreit | \sh: i think he lives now in paderborn or some city near that | 01:40 |
| \sh | mbreit: yes...I heard from him when I was working in guetersloh...and he told me that he's working in paderborn... | 01:41 |
| \sh | mbreit: he just mailed me yesterday :) | 01:41 |
| \sh | funny | 01:41 |
| mbreit | \sh: we gave him your email adress | 01:41 |
| \sh | mbreit: you must have taught him how to use google ,-) | 01:42 |
| mbreit | *g* | 01:42 |
| mbreit | \sh: he saw your ubuntu-wiki page when he tried to get some informations about ubuntu | 01:42 |
| \sh | hehe...sh*t I'm not invisible...;) | 01:43 |
| \sh | but the world is small...yes.. | 01:43 |
| \sh | and I know too many people out there | 01:43 |
| mbreit | *g* | 01:43 |
| Nafallo | \sh: you are invisible :-P | 01:43 |
| Nafallo | still offline ;-) | 01:44 |
| \sh | Nafallo: I'll ask mvo if I'm offline for him as well | 01:44 |
| \sh | Nafallo: register an account with linux-server.org | 01:44 |
| infinito | \sh: hi... i wanted to ask u about MOTUToSync... | 01:45 |
| \sh | infinito: elmo is responsible for this page :) | 01:45 |
| Nafallo | \sh: I thought I'd ask you to experiment with magicalforest.se if you would want to. I'm eager to try the SRV-lookups :-) | 01:45 |
| infinito | deadline for syncing before breezy is next 11th doesnt it?? | 01:46 |
| \sh | Nafallo: well...actually I need to know if ejabberd/psi or gaim and jabberd.org are having problems...so I can poke peter st. andre to fix it | 01:46 |
| Nafallo | \sh: *s* oki :-). | 01:47 |
| Nafallo | \sh: you _are_ still online, right? | 01:58 |
| Nafallo | and get my messages and stuff | 01:58 |
| \sh | yes | 02:00 |
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| siretart | SloMo_: ping | 02:22 |
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| SloMo_ | siretart: pong ;) | 02:40 |
| siretart | ah, there you are | 02:41 |
| siretart | SloMo_: I'm just on doing revu work, and processed some packages of you | 02:41 |
| siretart | SloMo_: shall I upload faac-1.24clean? there is some statment in the changelog, that it requires a newer faad2 package | 02:42 |
| siretart | SloMo_: shall I upload it as is and you ping elmo so that it gets in multiverse? | 02:43 |
| SloMo_ | yes... but the "newer" faad2 package is already for weeks in the archive... you uploaded it ;) | 02:43 |
| siretart | oh, my memory.. :) | 02:43 |
| SloMo_ | hmm, isn't it already in the multiverse list? | 02:43 |
| siretart | possibly | 02:43 |
| siretart | but is it ok to upload? | 02:43 |
| SloMo_ | yep... both are already in the multiverse list, at least the older version got into multiverse | 02:44 |
| SloMo_ | sure | 02:44 |
| siretart | uploading now | 02:44 |
| siretart | SloMo_: I made some comments to your liferea upload, could you please have a look at it? | 02:45 |
| siretart | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=248 | 02:45 |
| SloMo_ | ok, i'll talk to elmo... at the time a uploaded the package to revu there was no 0.9.4 in debian | 02:46 |
| siretart | ah, I see | 02:47 |
| SloMo_ | hmm but can't i take just the debian package, make the small change and upload the ubuntu1 version directly? | 02:47 |
| siretart | that would be the other option | 02:47 |
| siretart | yes | 02:47 |
| SloMo_ | ok, sounds easier and takes some work from elmo ;) | 02:47 |
| siretart | jepp :) | 02:47 |
| SloMo_ | ok, i'm uploading it in a few minutes :) just need to get really awake *gets some coffee* :) | 02:51 |
| siretart | hehe | 02:51 |
| siretart | good morning, btw ;) | 02:51 |
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| SloMo_ | ree | 02:58 |
| SloMo_ | thanks :) | 02:58 |
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| SloMo_ | liferea currently builds in pbuilder | 02:58 |
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| SloMo_ | hmm... but what i wonder since over a year... why don't the mozilla people split their stuff into something like a libgecko which then gets used by firefox, mozilla and every other browser which uses this for rendering... that way not everybody needs the whole mozilla/firefox just to use galeon or epiphany... | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | SloMo_: same question for kde | 03:01 |
| Nafallo | SloMo_: and uptil now, xorg :-) | 03:02 |
| SloMo_ | yeah... cowbell 0.2.2 arrived in debian :) | 03:07 |
| siretart | :) | 03:07 |
| SloMo_ | siretart: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=324 | 03:11 |
| siretart | SloMo_: in already in my pbuilder ;) | 03:13 |
| mbreit | yeahoo... just got mail from elmo, i am finally whitelisted ;)) | 03:14 |
| Nafallo | I got REJECT :-P | 03:14 |
| SloMo_ | siretart: hmm hopefully the version which came at 15:10 ;) the older one was missing a dependency | 03:14 |
| siretart | jepp, it is the right version | 03:14 |
| SloMo_ | Nafallo: so we were not added yet... :( | 03:14 |
| siretart | Nafallo: oh, did I bork some upload? | 03:15 |
| siretart | Nafallo: arn't you a motu yet and can upload for yourself? | 03:15 |
| Nafallo | yay! I'm added both as MOTU and whitelisted :-) | 03:15 |
| siretart | Nafallo: well, then you can upload yourself, right? | 03:15 |
| Nafallo | siretart: since some minutes yes :-). | 03:15 |
| siretart | hehe | 03:15 |
| siretart | excellent. then you can handle your reject on your own :) | 03:15 |
| siretart | SloMo_: what about you? | 03:16 |
| Nafallo | I got an reject before I got the acks :-) | 03:16 |
| siretart | ah, i see | 03:16 |
| SloMo_ | no idea ;) i got no mail from elmo but i'll test in a few seconds ;) | 03:16 |
| siretart | SloMo_: he seems to be on irc right now, perhaps you can ping him | 03:16 |
| Amaranth | SloMo_: What you described (mozilla stuff) is what the Gecko Runtime Environment (GRE) and I guess XULRunner are supposed to do. | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | yay! | 03:18 |
| Nafallo | first upload | 03:19 |
| Amaranth | what was it? | 03:19 |
| Nafallo | I've must have done that some days ago :-P | 03:19 |
| siretart | Nafallo: contratulations! :) | 03:20 |
| Nafallo | siretart: thanx :-) | 03:20 |
| mbreit | and i have some problem (again) that i am unable to solve... | 03:22 |
| mbreit | i recompiled ickle | 03:22 |
| mbreit | against libicq2000c2... but the generated .deb depends on libicq2000 | 03:22 |
| siretart | Nafallo: do you have time to look at some packages in revu? I'd like to get some NEW packages uploaded.. | 03:23 |
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| mbreit | iit uses ${shlibs:Depends}, and pbuilder installed libicq2000c2 and not libicq2000... so where is the problem? | 03:24 |
| mbreit | s/iit/it/ | 03:24 |
| Nafallo | siretart: sure. I just have to mail you before I can give comments :-). | 03:24 |
| siretart | Nafallo: ah, you cannot login? | 03:24 |
| Nafallo | siretart: only as contributor. | 03:25 |
| siretart | Nafallo: no need to do so, I upgraded you as reviwer | 03:26 |
| siretart | ;) | 03:26 |
| Nafallo | siretart: *s* | 03:26 |
| Nafallo | siretart: thanx, I've been having troubles with evo and gpg :-) | 03:27 |
| siretart | oh | 03:27 |
| Treenaks | Nafallo: evo is your problem :) | 03:27 |
| Nafallo | Treenaks: ;-) | 03:27 |
| Mez | w00t | 03:28 |
| Mez | I have upload!" | 03:28 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 03:28 |
| Nafallo | dang. have to do sysadministration of my server. I'll have to look at REVU later. | 03:28 |
| siretart | congratulations, Mez :) | 03:28 |
| Nafallo | girlfriends _are_ demanding :-P | 03:29 |
| siretart | Nafallo: ooh, no problem. take care! | 03:29 |
| siretart | ;) | 03:29 |
| siretart | yes, there are. | 03:29 |
| siretart | :) | 03:29 |
| Mez | siretart :D 2 weeks late - but meh | 03:29 |
| mbreit | could someone help me with my problem? | 03:30 |
| SloMo_ | mbreit: sure... what problem is it? | 03:33 |
| mbreit | see above about my problem with ickle and libicq2000 | 03:33 |
| SloMo_ | look at libicq2000... i bet it calls dh_makeshilibs with libicq2000 and not with libicq2000c2 | 03:34 |
| mbreit | SloMo_: it calls "dh_makeshlibs -a" | 03:35 |
| mbreit | should that be dh_makeshlibs -p libicq2000c2 ? | 03:36 |
| SloMo_ | wait i'll look at it... | 03:38 |
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| siretart | Mez: hey, I finally find some time to do ubuntu work :) | 03:39 |
| Mez | ..? | 03:39 |
| Mez | like what ? | 03:39 |
| SloMo_ | mbreit: ok, in the control is a mistake... Repalces: ;) | 03:40 |
| mbreit | oh... okay... do you fix that or shall i do it? | 03:41 |
| SloMo_ | well that can't be the problem you found... i'll look further after eating | 03:41 |
| mbreit | well, i think you gave me the right pointer with dh_makeshlibs... i will look at that myself... | 03:42 |
| tseng | buh | 03:45 |
| tseng | is there no package for php4-oracle? | 03:45 |
| Mez | tseng: i believe its in php4-universe | 03:46 |
| tseng | i dont see it | 03:47 |
| tseng | oh thats a binary? | 03:47 |
| tseng | no | 03:48 |
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| siretart | Mez: are you still working on gaim-assistant? | 04:13 |
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| Mez | siretart, I've no idea how to fix that compile error | 04:17 |
| siretart | Mez: shall I archive that upload then or wait a few days more? | 04:19 |
| siretart | \sh_away: congratulations to your first upload to main, dude! | 04:19 |
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| Mez | siretart, archive it till I can work out how to fix | 04:20 |
| siretart | ok. it will get unarchived on new upload anyway | 04:21 |
| Mez | bddebian: ping | 04:23 |
| Mez | who isnt here so why am i pinging him | 04:23 |
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| Mez | WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling | 05:43 |
| Nafallo | libglu1-mesa-dev is not a good build-dep, is it? | 05:44 |
| SloMo_ | Mez: what are you trying to do? ;) one week earlier and i could help... now my laptop is updated to breezy | 05:44 |
| mbreit | Mez: i updated my laptop to breezy the day before yesterday, so bad luck :( | 05:45 |
| Mez | lol | 05:46 |
| SloMo_ | but i've a hoary chroot lying around... if this is enough for what you want to test... | 05:47 |
| Mez | nop | 05:47 |
| Mez | e | 05:47 |
| Mez | watch i -devel | 05:47 |
| SloMo_ | brb | 05:48 |
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| Nafallo | Mez: was that for me? :-) | 05:49 |
| Mez | anyone who wants to know what we're dfoing | 05:49 |
| Nafallo | Mez: sure :-) | 05:50 |
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| JanC | SloMo_, you might want to read this : http://wiki.mozilla.org/XUL:Xul_Runner | 06:14 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 06:16 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 06:16 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 06:16 |
| siretart | sistpoty: how are you? | 06:16 |
| Nafallo | hi sistpoty :-) | 06:16 |
| SloMo_ | JanC: thanks :) | 06:16 |
| SloMo_ | hi sistpoty | 06:16 |
| sistpoty | siretart: so far so good ;) | 06:16 |
| sistpoty | siretart: did everything work out with your study thesis? | 06:17 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: yepp, it now for review :) | 06:18 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 06:18 |
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| bddebian | Morning | 06:46 |
| Mez | ah hey bddebian | 06:48 |
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| bddebian | ah? :-) | 06:48 |
| bddebian | Hello Mez | 06:48 |
| Mez | one sec | 06:48 |
| SloMo_ | hi bddebian :) | 06:49 |
| bddebian | Heya SloMo_ | 06:49 |
| Mez | bddebian, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11578 | 06:50 |
| mbreit | hey bddebian | 06:50 |
| Mez | what was the reason fordropping the patch | 06:50 |
| bddebian | Heya mbreit | 06:50 |
| bddebian | Mez: It was FTBFSing for me and wasn't necessary | 06:51 |
| Mez | FTFBS? | 06:51 |
| mbreit | fails to build from source | 06:52 |
| bddebian | Fail To Build From Source | 06:52 |
| Amaranth | Failure To Build From Source | 06:52 |
| SloMo_ | lol | 06:52 |
| Mez | bddebian, you need to state the reason why you do things :D or people will ask why :P (like me) | 06:52 |
| bddebian | "No dropped patches but had to remove unnecessary gcc4 patch from kubuntu" | 06:53 |
| bddebian | "unnecessary" doesn't explain it? :-) | 06:53 |
| Mez | doesnt explain why it was unncessary | 06:53 |
| bddebian | Ah, fair enough | 06:53 |
| === bddebian gets no love | ||
| sistpoty2 | hm... I'm just trying to do some work on UniverseUnmetDeps... if I see packages assigned to nobody, that are installable right now, should i remove these from the list? | 06:56 |
| === Mez pets bddebian on the head | ||
| Mez | sistpoty run the command at the top and regen the list :D | 06:57 |
| mbreit | sistpoty2: there are some package that have unmetdeps only on one arch... | 06:57 |
| sistpoty2 | ah... ok mbreit, good point | 06:57 |
| bddebian | sistpotyYes but what is installable for you? | 06:57 |
| Mez | can someone just regenerate the list? | 06:57 |
| mbreit | sistpoty2: tell us which packages you mean, then i will test on amd64... and perhaps slomo can do on ppc | 06:58 |
| mbreit | Mez: i think regenerating is much more work... | 06:58 |
| Mez | mbreit - the command is at the top of the page | 06:58 |
| mbreit | Mez: i know | 06:58 |
| bddebian | But then you have to rip out what people have already looked at :-) | 06:58 |
| sistpoty2 | mbreit: just a moment | 06:59 |
| mbreit | bddebian: full ack | 06:59 |
| SloMo_ | sistpoty2: to see whether it is not installable on one arch look at packages.ubuntu.com... in that case there are some deps missing (for one or more architectures) | 06:59 |
| GazerWork | siretart, hi, in https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml, there is nothing about DB_INSTALL_DOCS_, (or I don't understand why DB_INSTALL_DOCS_ is a better solution for my problem) | 06:59 |
| siretart | GazerWork: to be honest, I also never heared about DB_INSTALL_DOCS, perhaps you can ask jbailey about this? | 07:00 |
| GazerWork | siretart, yes , thx | 07:00 |
| mbreit | SloMo_: but packages.ubuntu.com shows it just for one arch? | 07:00 |
| GazerWork | jbailey, ping :) ? | 07:01 |
| mbreit | SloMo_: and it's often not up to date | 07:01 |
| sistpoty2 | mbreit: aspell-de-alt... | 07:01 |
| mbreit | sistpoty2: that belongs to the doko list... | 07:01 |
| Mez | mbreit, yes, but usually you'll be able to see that on there and then check the version thats in the repo :D | 07:01 |
| mbreit | i have asked him yesterday if i could move that to his list... | 07:01 |
| SloMo_ | mbreit: when there are differences between the archs it shows them | 07:02 |
| mbreit | SloMo_: okay, i did not know that | 07:02 |
| mbreit | doko: ping | 07:02 |
| Mez | bddebian, are you whitelisted? | 07:02 |
| bddebian | Mez: As of last night yes | 07:03 |
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| sistpoty2 | mbreit: bacula | 07:03 |
| Mez | good | 07:03 |
| Mez | bddebian, watch for katie output | 07:04 |
| doko | mbreit: pong | 07:04 |
| === Nafallo builds a script to auto-rebuild things :-) | ||
| mbreit | doko: can we move aspell-de-alt to your list at UniverseUnmetDeps? | 07:04 |
| Mez | Nafallo: you may want to look @ autobuild.py for backports | 07:04 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: I think tseng started one | 07:04 |
| bddebian | Mez: OK, thanks | 07:04 |
| Mez | I'm sure it can be changed easily | 07:04 |
| mbreit | doko: or can we do that generally without asking? | 07:04 |
| doko | Nafallo: but don't add -ubuntuN suffixes for packages, that don't have a -ubuntuN suffix ... | 07:04 |
| doko | what is wrong about aspell-de-alt? | 07:05 |
| mbreit | sistpoty2: just verified: bacula is installable on amd64 | 07:05 |
| sistpoty2 | so is it on i386 | 07:05 |
| Nafallo | doko: I'll increment automatically with dch and then run nano -w on debian/changelog right after :-) | 07:05 |
| mbreit | doko: nothing... that's why it does not belong to the "need-love" lsit | 07:05 |
| mbreit | s/lsit/list/ | 07:05 |
| Nafallo | ugly and working ;-) | 07:06 |
| mbreit | doko: and because you fixed it, i would like to move it to the "doko"-row on that page | 07:06 |
| Nafallo | simple bash :-) | 07:06 |
| doko | mbreit: if you think, that it's worth the work ... | 07:10 |
| mbreit | doko: at least it should be removed from the needs-love list... | 07:10 |
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| mbreit | sistpoty: i think you can remove bacula... | 07:12 |
| sistpoty | mbreit: ok | 07:13 |
| seth_k | Mez, what would be different about the mails on the Backports mailing list? Thunderbird crashes every time I try to open one | 07:17 |
| seth_k | I thought it might be the ones that are signed, but I can open non-Backports signed mail with no crash | 07:17 |
| Mez | seth_k, nothing - that's weird | 07:17 |
| seth_k | Mez, what's the attachment on them? Those are the ones I can't open | 07:18 |
| seth_k | is it a detach clearsign? | 07:18 |
| Mez | atachement | 07:18 |
| Mez | ? | 07:18 |
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| bddebian | Heya seth_k, where you been? :-) | 07:19 |
| Mez | seth - have you the latest version of thunderbird? | 07:20 |
| janimo | guys was there a resolution of the config.{sub.guess} issue in diffs? | 07:20 |
| sistpoty | janimo: these shouldn't be modified every build time... iirc the resolution was to contact upstream of autotools | 07:22 |
| janimo | but until then? my debdiffs have them | 07:22 |
| janimo | is it ok to upload like this | 07:22 |
| janimo | ? | 07:22 |
| sistpoty | sorry, dunno | 07:23 |
| infinito | siretart: ping | 07:23 |
| janimo | ok thanks :) | 07:23 |
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| sistpoty | janimo: but if you're building new packages, you could consider cdbs, which afaik eliminates the config.sub/guess problem | 07:24 |
| janimo | texisting package, but I've been meaning to try CDBS :) | 07:24 |
| sistpoty | hehe, haven't tried it either | 07:25 |
| seth_k | Mez, yeah, it only started after last update -1 | 07:25 |
| Mez | weird, woeks fine for me | 07:27 |
| seth_k | hi bddebian, i've been on vacation | 07:27 |
| bddebian | seth_k: Ah, nice | 07:27 |
| seth_k | nice except that the universe vomited in my inbox :D | 07:28 |
| bddebian | Hehe, yeah, I imagine :-) | 07:28 |
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| sistpoty | caudium also seems to be installable... | 07:38 |
| SloMo_ | Mez: can we backport gkrellm? ;) | 07:40 |
| bddebian | Is the x86 buildd down today or behind? | 07:40 |
| mbreit | siretart: nope | 07:40 |
| mbreit | siretart: the list is about _source packages_, and caudium-pixsl (which belongs to caudium source package) is not installable | 07:41 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: they seem down. I think one is online and catching up | 07:41 |
| sistpoty | mbreit: ok, thanks for the hint | 07:41 |
| mbreit | sistpoty: btw: add bacula to the list again ;) | 07:42 |
| mbreit | bacula-wxconsole has unmet deps | 07:42 |
| mbreit | oh wait... i'll put it to my list... | 07:43 |
| sistpoty | mbreit: done | 07:43 |
| sistpoty | mbreit: but putting packages that can be rebuilt without changes to the "Just Need A Rebuild"-list is ok? | 07:48 |
| mbreit | bddebian: the i386 buildds are back ;) | 07:48 |
| mbreit | sistpoty: if you tested them after rebuilding and you verified that they are working, yes | 07:49 |
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| sistpoty | ok | 07:50 |
| Nafallo | I'm preparing uploads for that list :-) | 07:50 |
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| bddebian | Damn, is everyone working today to impress the TB at the meeting?? ;-P | 07:53 |
| mbreit | bddebian: i haven't done much for ubuntu today.... | 07:53 |
| bddebian | Me either :-( | 07:54 |
| mbreit | i will write my last exam tomorrow, so the real work will start after it ;) | 07:54 |
| mbreit | bddebian: but i don't have to impress the TB... i am not yet a member, so that's my next step *g* | 07:54 |
| sistpoty | good luck mbreit | 07:54 |
| mbreit | sistpoty: thanks | 07:54 |
| bddebian | mbreit: You have my vote ;-) | 07:55 |
| mbreit | bddebian: thanks ;) | 07:55 |
| mbreit | hmm... bacual ftbfs... so i will have a closer look tomorrow | 07:56 |
| sistpoty | cooking time... will be back later | 08:01 |
| seth_k | bddebian, gimmie a quick hand with dput for revu? what part of the source tree should I be in before typing "dput revu" | 08:01 |
| sistpoty | seth_k: one directory above the source tree, where your .dsc/.changes file reside | 08:02 |
| seth_k | okay, thanks sistpoty | 08:02 |
| sistpoty | np | 08:02 |
| bddebian | seth_k: afaik, wherever your ... Oh, nm :-) | 08:02 |
| sistpoty | <-- off now ;) | 08:02 |
| seth_k | hehe | 08:02 |
| bddebian | Later sistpoty | 08:02 |
| sistpoty | cya | 08:02 |
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| bddebian | Man, it got quiet in here all of the sudden | 08:17 |
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| janimo | is there a standard way of upgrading a meta-package and it's depends w/o a full dist-upgarde? | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | janimo: apt-get install metapackage | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | when a new version is available of course :) | 08:35 |
| janimo | Treenack, that does not update it's depends if already there | 08:35 |
| janimo | i.e I have latest x-window-system-core and the syetm is happy even though | 08:35 |
| janimo | it's depends are older than -44 | 08:35 |
| janimo | a restricted dist-upgrade | 08:35 |
| Treenaks | janimo: if you're running breezy, just dist-upgrade | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | janimo: if you're running hoary, poke daniels | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | uh no | 08:36 |
| janimo | see my initial question :) w/o dist-upgrade | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | janimo: what are you trying to upgrade then? | 08:36 |
| janimo | I jsust want latest X and depends not all cruf^W nice software :) | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | janimo: impossible | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | (or VERY VERY hard) | 08:36 |
| Treenaks | and likely very broken | 08:37 |
| janimo | Teenaks, hmm I wonder why is this not in apt? | 08:37 |
| janimo | just iterate over depends and install them recursively | 08:37 |
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| seth_k | hmmm | 08:45 |
| seth_k | why would pdebuild not be signing my .changes files... | 08:45 |
| bddebian | Someone else had that problem recently | 08:45 |
| seth_k | oh, it's not signing the source.changes | 08:46 |
| seth_k | just the i386.changes | 08:46 |
| === seth_k ponders | ||
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| === Nafallo uploads a couple of "Just Need A Rebuild" | ||
| Nafallo | from UniverseUnmetDeps | 09:09 |
| mbreit | Nafallo: i you would mention our names in the changelogs... ;) | 09:09 |
| Nafallo | mbreit: did :-) | 09:10 |
| mbreit | Nafallo: great, thanks! | 09:10 |
| Nafallo | mbreit: sqsh uploaded :-) | 09:11 |
| mbreit | great... the list gets smaller... | 09:11 |
| Nafallo | seth_k: tagtool skribe uploaded | 09:11 |
| seth_k | cheers Nafallo | 09:11 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: w3mmee uploaded :-) | 09:11 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: Ah cool, thanks | 09:14 |
| tseng | SloMoSnail++ | 09:16 |
| SloMoSnail | hm? | 09:16 |
| tseng | you seem to be uploading now | 09:16 |
| tseng | good stuff | 09:16 |
| bddebian | w00t SloMoSnail | 09:16 |
| SloMoSnail | tseng: i'm not uploading ;) i delegate my uploads to others as elmo hasn't added my key to the keyring yet... my signed CoC hasn't arrived at mako :( | 09:18 |
| tseng | i see | 09:18 |
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| mbreit | Nafallo: thanks for rebuilding that packages! | 09:22 |
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| janimo | yay, my first upload to REVU! | 09:30 |
| siretart | grats janimo :) | 09:31 |
| seth_k | janimo, how did you get your _source.changes file signed, mine refuse to sign :P | 09:31 |
| seth_k | it only signs the i386.changes | 09:31 |
| janimo | seth_k, I could using gpg :) | 09:32 |
| seth_k | mm, true, manually | 09:32 |
| janimo | dpkg-buildpackage asks for password doing build | 09:32 |
| janimo | if you have gpg set up correctly it should work | 09:32 |
| seth_k | yeah, I know, I put it in | 09:32 |
| seth_k | but it only signed i386.changes | 09:32 |
| seth_k | not source.changes | 09:32 |
| seth_k | hmm | 09:32 |
| === seth_k tries again | ||
| janimo | well if you pass -S so that it's a source build and don't pass -uc it shoudl sign it | 09:33 |
| bddebian | -us | 09:33 |
| janimo | right I confuse -us and -uc :) | 09:34 |
| bddebian | :-) | 09:34 |
| seth_k | ah, I'm doing -b, and only -S on dpkg-genchanges | 09:34 |
| seth_k | probably the issue | 09:34 |
| bddebian | -S -sa | 09:35 |
| janimo | bddebian, actually -uc is for changes and -us for dsc I think | 09:35 |
| bddebian | janimo: Ahh, I wasn't familiar with -uc :-) | 09:35 |
| janimo | I use -us -uc when I don;t want to be bothered with password promt while testing | 09:36 |
| bddebian | I usually use -us -tc :-) | 09:36 |
| janimo | orthogonal :) | 09:37 |
| janimo | -tc I mean | 09:37 |
| janimo | what are the meaning of icons in REVU? | 09:38 |
| janimo | bulb,hammer,heart? | 09:38 |
| siretart | janimo: your upload of xubuntu-meta has strange permissions in the tarball | 09:38 |
| janimo | rules +x | 09:39 |
| janimo | what else? | 09:39 |
| janimo | I wonder what I b0rked :) | 09:39 |
| siretart | janimo: bulb means, the package is NEW and requires 3 MOTU's to sign off | 09:39 |
| siretart | janimo: hammer meens, need work | 09:39 |
| siretart | janimo: and heart means: ready to be uploaded or already uploaded | 09:39 |
| janimo | thanks | 09:40 |
| janimo | heart and bulb means ready, and heart alone alreday uploaded then? | 09:40 |
| janimo | what are the strange permissions, I just copied form kubuntu-meta most of the files and di not mess withh perms | 09:41 |
| siretart | drwxr-x--- 3 siretart users 4096 9. Aug 21:28 xubuntu-meta-0.1/ | 09:43 |
| siretart | that I'd consider strange :) | 09:43 |
| janimo | oh the direcotry itself :) | 09:46 |
| janimo | indeed | 09:46 |
| janimo | that's the same as on the kubuntu-meta source dir though | 09:47 |
| siretart | then thats broken, too ;) | 09:47 |
| janimo | and all XXbuntu-meta-s | 09:47 |
| siretart | well, I does not violate debian policy, so its not legally broken | 09:48 |
| janimo | you mean it should be rx for all? | 09:48 |
| janimo | I just looked at some other source pkgs | 09:48 |
| siretart | the problem is rather, that revu doesn't fix permissions, so you cannot browse the package online | 09:48 |
| siretart | for that upload, I fixed that manually | 09:48 |
| janimo | aha so rx for all for future packages right? | 09:49 |
| siretart | 755 is imo sane | 09:50 |
| siretart | jupp | 09:50 |
| siretart | perhaps its rather a workaround for revu, but it works :) | 09:50 |
| janimo | ok thanks for the heads-up :) | 09:51 |
| janimo | so if I want to review stuff I send you my gpg key? | 09:52 |
| janimo | oh I see I should get a mail after my first upload, is that automatic? | 09:52 |
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| siretart | janimo: enter your email and try to login. then use the 'revocer' button | 09:55 |
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| siretart | s/button/link/ | 09:55 |
| Mez | siretart: who's ben collins/ | 09:56 |
| siretart | Mez: dunno, sorry | 09:56 |
| Mez | lol | 09:56 |
| Mez | he's going for main tonight (in 4 mins I beleive? | 09:56 |
| janimo | Mez, ben collins is a DD | 09:59 |
| janimo | among others maintainer of firewire in linux kernel | 09:59 |
| Mez | ah - never heard of him afore looking at the agenda | 09:59 |
| tseng | its unprecedented to go from 0 -> main in the open community afaik | 10:00 |
| tseng | there are several cases of backdoor canonical magic | 10:00 |
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| janimo | well trusted debian old timers may bypass the usual ritual I guess | 10:00 |
| janimo | they have a proven technical and social track record | 10:01 |
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| Burgundavia | ogra, we should probably add a backports resolution to the bugzilla | 10:04 |
| Mez | lol | 10:04 |
| chillywilly | bah...having problems getting subversion to work in hoary | 10:04 |
| ogra | yes, its quite annoying | 10:04 |
| Mez | ogra ... ? | 10:05 |
| Mez | backports in bugzilla? | 10:05 |
| bddebian | chillywilly!! | 10:05 |
| Mez | poke them over to malone :D | 10:05 |
| chillywilly | wassat? | 10:05 |
| Burgundavia | Mez, we do, but we a resolution status for universe | 10:05 |
| ogra | Mez, unoffical backports bugs assigned to officail packages from main | 10:06 |
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| Mez | lol | 10:06 |
| Mez | ogra: you can add one and point it to backports -unofficial in malone | 10:06 |
| Mez | https://launchpad.net/products/ubp-hoary-unofficial/ | 10:06 |
| Burgundavia | Mez, look at this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488 | 10:07 |
| janimo | siretart you may want to update linda and lintian on REVU so they don't warn on standard version 3.6.2 :) | 10:07 |
| janimo | latest lintian in breezy is ok | 10:07 |
| siretart | janimo: I installed lates breezy lintian, but not linda | 10:08 |
| Mez | Burgundavia, whats that gor to do with backports | 10:08 |
| siretart | Version: 1.23.10ubuntu1 | 10:08 |
| janimo | I dunno about linda either, I used only lintian myself | 10:08 |
| Burgundavia | Mez, it just shows what bugzilla would do. The resolution would be Backports | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | Mez, that allows to search for backports bugs occasionallyt | 10:09 |
| janimo | siretart, why is commenting allowed only for one's own uploads? | 10:13 |
| janimo | in REVU | 10:13 |
| siretart | janimo: I wanted that to be discussed with other MOTU's, but no one has objected so far | 10:15 |
| janimo | ok I am trying to familiarize myself with revu | 10:15 |
| janimo | and assumed that part of review is sticking comments online :) | 10:15 |
| janimo | but I'll see what the real way to do it is | 10:16 |
| siretart | janimo: are you already a motu? | 10:16 |
| janimo | yes | 10:16 |
| siretart | argl. sorry, then your permission level is worong | 10:16 |
| janimo | a lazy one :) | 10:16 |
| Mez | does UVF apply to Universe? | 10:17 |
| janimo | MEz, yes but it's laxer | 10:17 |
| siretart | Mez: yes | 10:17 |
| janimo | still you have to ask permission | 10:17 |
| siretart | janimo: ok, you are reviewer now :) | 10:17 |
| janimo | it is usually asking elmo to sync | 10:17 |
| janimo | siretart thank you :) | 10:18 |
| Mez | I know sybncs are ok :D | 10:18 |
| janimo | Mez, well syncs are one way around UVF :) | 10:18 |
| Mez | lol :D | 10:18 |
| siretart | no | 10:18 |
| janimo | what else do you mean | 10:18 |
| janimo | Mez ^ | 10:18 |
| siretart | syncs are only acceptable when you are sure they dont destabilize universe | 10:18 |
| Mez | I mean - like for example, guifications, seth's put it in revu | 10:19 |
| janimo | universe is destabiled as it is ;) | 10:19 |
| sistpoty | nice quote, siretart ;) | 10:19 |
| janimo | sure we don't sync everything | 10:19 |
| Mez | but I already made the package but didnt upload cause of UVF | 10:19 |
| janimo | one takes responsibility for the syncs one asks | 10:19 |
| janimo | Mez, is it a new package? | 10:19 |
| ogra | janimo, UVF applies to universe too... so every sync needs approval | 10:20 |
| Mez | janimo, no | 10:20 |
| janimo | ogra (23:17:47) janimo: still you have to ask permission | 10:20 |
| janimo | :) | 10:20 |
| ogra | :) | 10:20 |
| ogra | sorry, missed :) | 10:20 |
| Mez | I'm just on about when packages show up in REVU that arent new packages | 10:21 |
| janimo | so the rule in REVU is 3 MOTU's approval for upload right? | 10:21 |
| Mez | whether they should be uploaded or not | 10:21 |
| Mez | janimo, 3 for new, 1 for old | 10:21 |
| janimo | does it include original uploader or do we need honest and objective reviews ;) ? | 10:22 |
| Mez | doesnt include original uploader | 10:22 |
| ogra | janimo, 3 foreign ones for NEW or non MOTU packages, 1 foreing one for a fix | 10:22 |
| janimo | for a fix? and Mez said old. | 10:23 |
| sistpoty | old = in debian | 10:23 |
| janimo | Isn;t REVU only for NEW? I guess I misunderstood | 10:23 |
| ogra | we abuesd it for fixes from non MOTUs | 10:23 |
| Mez | ogra: I think that's fair though :D | 10:24 |
| janimo | ogra, that's reasonable then | 10:24 |
| Mez | (fixes from non MOTUs) | 10:24 |
| ogra | jup, not everyone has webspace | 10:24 |
| janimo | and it's better if it's in a central place | 10:24 |
| tseng | its better in one place anyway | 10:24 |
| janimo | doesn't get lost easily | 10:24 |
| ogra | yep | 10:24 |
| tseng | i have my stuff in at least 3 places | 10:25 |
| janimo | tseng, if you want xubuntu-desktop you'd better review it ;) | 10:25 |
| tseng | i find xfce more of a toy | 10:25 |
| janimo | aren't all computers toys ? :) | 10:26 |
| tseng | its nice to play with sometimes | 10:26 |
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| janimo | dict: sometimes, when one has less than 512M of RAM | 10:27 |
| tseng | poor deprived souls | 10:27 |
| janimo | 80% of computer users :) | 10:27 |
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| janimo | How to get rid of bloat in software? Step 1) take RAM manufacturers out of business 2) wait 3)profit | 10:29 |
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| Mez | siretart/sistpoty: ping | 10:32 |
| sistpoty | Mez: pong | 10:33 |
| siretart | Mez: pong pong | 10:33 |
| Mez | sistpoty, native debian patches in revu cause weird *.diffs | 10:33 |
| Mez | http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/archive/pool/breezy/guifications/ | 10:33 |
| Mez | *.diff0 Bytes | 10:33 |
| janimo | siretart, is there a deb-src archive at REVU so one can apt-get source? | 10:33 |
| siretart | Mez: I know. that why I dont recommend uploading native packages :/ | 10:34 |
| siretart | Mez: I will think about this with revu2 ;) | 10:34 |
| sistpoty | janimo: not yet... | 10:34 |
| siretart | janimo: will come with revu2 | 10:34 |
| janimo | ok :) | 10:34 |
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| Mez | siretart: if you want a hand with revu, then I'm more than willing | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 10:35 |
| Nafallo | that was upload number 10 :-P | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | I think | 10:36 |
| bddebian | Nafallo: Nice | 10:36 |
| siretart | Mez: thanks for your offer. sistpoty and I will meet tomorrow and work out a plan for development of revu2. then we will be able to share workload | 10:36 |
| Nafallo | sistpoty: camstream uploaded | 10:36 |
| sistpoty | Nafallo: cool :) | 10:37 |
| bddebian | How long does it generally take from upload, buildd, to reach the archives? | 10:38 |
| mbreit | bddebian: half an hour.. or even longer | 10:38 |
| Nafallo | bddebian: depends on when you upload. atleast 30minutes. | 10:38 |
| siretart | bddebian: that depends. if the package is already in archive, does not change build depends and dependencies, and got built before, I think about 2h | 10:39 |
| siretart | including mirroring to secondary mirrors, primary may be faster | 10:39 |
| bddebian | OK, thanks folks | 10:39 |
| siretart | bddebian: in any other case, most likley manual work is required | 10:39 |
| siretart | gn8 folks | 10:52 |
| siretart | cu tomorrow, sistpoty :) | 10:53 |
| bddebian | Later siretart | 10:53 |
| sistpoty | gn8 siretart | 10:53 |
| bddebian | Guess I should head home myself. Later folks. | 10:55 |
| janimo | good night all | 10:55 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 11:33 |
| Nafallo | morning ajmitch :-) | 11:34 |
| SloMoSnail | morning? hum ;) | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | SloMoSnail: yep, ~9:30AM here :) | 11:36 |
| Nafallo | SloMoSnail: it's _always_ morning. you talk to little with jdub ;-) | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | well jdub is usually just 2 hours behind me :) | 11:38 |
| SloMoSnail | hmm... 23:44 here ;) | 11:42 |
| Nafallo | damn I hate this server sometimes. the admin haven't installed ntp-server as I asked him todo. | 11:43 |
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| Nafallo | hmm | 11:56 |
| Nafallo | is it just me or is debians kismet _a lot_ worse than ours? :-) | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | dunno, I don't have wireless with a debian laptop :) | 11:58 |
| ogra | hmm, doesnt work for either of my wlan cards.... | 11:59 |
| ogra | i guess debians wont either | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | it worked for me, when I was using sid | 11:59 |
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| ogra | i doubt it would work for you with my HW in sid ;) | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | why is that? | 12:01 |
| ogra | because of the cards and amd64.... i guess... | 12:01 |
| ogra | one is a orinoco silver..... the kernel even doesnt recognize it as wireless.... | 12:02 |
| ogra | (bu it works fine) | 12:02 |
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