[12:17] <tseng> slomo?
[12:17] <slomo> do you want to upload something trivial for me? ;)
[12:17] <tseng> ok
[12:17] <slomo> http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/blam_1.8.2-2ubuntu2.debdiff
[12:18] <tseng> oh
[12:18] <tseng> right
[12:19] <ajmitch> why the change?
[12:19] <tseng> +  * Corrected the Planet Ubuntu URL (.com not .org)
[12:19] <tseng> brainfart
[12:19] <ajmitch> right
[12:19] <tseng> no, I dont use mom
[12:19] <tseng> i am a bad person and I apply changes from memory
[12:20] <slomo> at least you have a somewhat working memory ;)
[12:21] <tseng> done
[12:22] <slomo> thanks
[01:24] <mbreit> tseng: do you want to rebuild something for me? ;)
[01:25] <tseng> like what
[01:25] <mbreit> tseng: gutenbrowser is the source package... it has unmet dependencies, but after a rebuild, it works fine
[01:26] <mbreit> (well, not fine... it's a damn ugly qt program...)
[01:29] <tseng> done
[01:29] <mbreit> thanks!
[01:42] <mbreit> doko: may i move aspell-de-alt to your done-row in UniverseUnmetDeps?
[01:46] <mbreit> ah, tseng: you could rebuild sqsh as well...
[01:47] <tseng> or I could go to dinner
[01:47] <mbreit> again unmet deps
[01:47] <tseng> sorry
[01:47] <mbreit> that's definitly a better idea ;)
[01:53] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[01:53] <mbreit> gn8 slomo
[01:53] <mbreit> err, well, i think i got to bed as well, so gn8 everybody
[02:12] <crimsun> geez, rosegarden is a PITA.
[02:13] <chillywilly> music software for linux?
[02:13] <crimsun> yeah. It takes forever to run through the compile-test cycle
[02:14] <chillywilly> you're packaging it?
[02:15] <chillywilly> I got some tunes to record
[02:17] <crimsun> it's already packaged. I'm fixing it.
[02:17] <chillywilly> ok
[02:20] <cat> hey everyone
[02:37] <Burgundavia> tseng, you want muine bug reports, or shall I just tell you?
[02:47] <tseng> Burgundavia: meh
[02:48] <tseng> Burgundavia: whatever floats your boat.
[02:48] <Burgundavia> tseng, 1st one is easy: Error loading plug-in TrayIcon.dll: gdk-x11-2.0
[02:48] <tseng> i have that
[02:48] <Burgundavia> 2nd one is a seg fault with double-clicking on a song
[02:48] <tseng> uh
[02:48] <Burgundavia> clicking play works fine
[02:48] <tseng> works for me
[02:49] <Burgundavia> let me get you a backtrace
[02:49] <tseng> im not sure that will help
[02:49] <tseng> upstream is mia
[02:49] <Burgundavia> ok
[02:49] <tseng> he comes and goes
[02:50] <Burgundavia> nev mind then
[02:50] <Burgundavia> hope it goes away on its own (it may be some other part of the system)
[02:57] <Burgundavia> tseng, cool, delete pressing delete and enter also cause a segfault
[02:57] <tseng> ctrl f does for sure
[02:57] <Burgundavia> ironically, that doesn't do anything here
[02:58] <Burgundavia> I take that back
[02:58] <tseng> http://tseng.ath.cx/images/08-08-05_2051.jpg
[02:58] <tseng> sweet :)
[02:58] <Burgundavia> you lucky man
[02:59] <tseng> check the mono branded ruppert doll
[02:59] <tseng> for the win
[03:01] <Burgundavia> finally, ext2/3 for windows --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11506
[03:01] <tseng> huh rock on
[03:01] <Burgundavia> no need for clunky addon programs
[03:03] <Burgundavia> tseng, notice with the segfault it takes the last command and then dies
[03:06] <tseng> yeah
[03:07] <Burgundavia> tseng, it is cowbell
[03:08] <tseng> what is?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> the muine crashes
[03:08] <Burgundavia> just removed it and they went away
[03:08] <tseng> you.. removed cowbell
[03:08] <tseng> and muine doesnt crash?
[03:08] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:09] <tseng> do you have some of that crackrock left?
[03:09] <Burgundavia> I have no idea how that worked
[03:09] <Burgundavia> let me test again
[03:09] <tseng> k.
[03:09] <Burgundavia> might have just been planetary alignment
[03:09] <chillywilly> mmm, crack rock
[03:09] <tseng> yeah it sounds insanely odd
[03:10] <Burgundavia> sorry, was smoking
[03:10] <Burgundavia> with planetary alignment
[03:10] <Burgundavia> cowbell doesn't cause it
[03:10] <tseng> one theory down :)
[03:11] <tseng> ill ask Mono Ruppert
[03:11] <ajmitch> afternoon
[03:11] <tseng> hi aj
[03:11] <Burgundavia> salut ajmitch
[03:11] <Burgundavia> this is maddening, now it won't crash
[03:12] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: that's the fun of development
[03:12] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, I was wondering why X wouldn't start and I couldn't find gdm.
[03:12] <tseng> Burgundavia: ive had similar experiences, but all stemming from muine ruffle plugin
[03:12] <tseng> which i traced down to something with sqlite
[03:14] <tseng> ajmitch: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/08-08-05_2051.jpg < rupperts new home
[03:16] <chillywilly> Ubuntu rocks my socks
[03:16] <Burgundavia> tseng, I wonder if cairo is the issue. I have had synaptic randomly segfaulting as well
[03:16] <tseng> hm
[03:16] <Amaranth> start it in gdb and run it until it dies
[03:17] <tseng> thats completely useless
[03:17] <tseng> (attaching muine)
[03:17] <tseng> a coredump maybe
[03:17] <Amaranth> i meant synaptic
[03:17] <Burgundavia> how do I do one of those?
[03:17] <tseng> stepping through it is an exercise in futility
[03:17] <tseng> any gstreamer app really
[03:18] <tseng> the timer is going constantly
[03:18] <ajmitch> tseng: nice
[03:23] <bmonty> hi everyone
[03:24] <chillywilly> who the heck is ruppert?
[03:32] <chillywilly> bddebian!
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya chillywilly
[03:34] <bmonty> what?
[03:34] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:34] <bmonty> hey bddebian
[03:39] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, bmonty
[03:40] <bmonty> whats going on?
[03:40] <bddebian> Just put the kids to bed.  You?
[03:41] <bmonty> no kids....yet, but I figured I work on some more unmet deps
[03:42] <bddebian> I thought ajmitch automated all that for us already? :-)
[03:43] <bmonty> lol
[03:44] <ajmitch> bddebian: yeah right
[03:44] <ajmitch> I'm still waiting for that DSL upgrade
[03:44] <bddebian> No?
[03:44] <bddebian> :-)
[03:45] <ajmitch> it's a bit hard to download all the source on that list with a 256Kbps line :)
[03:45] <tseng> oh did you fix up that script?
[03:46] <ajmitch> tseng: nope, that's next on the list
[03:46] <ajmitch> once I get some spare time, and I care enough to use my box at home
[03:46] <bddebian> Right after taking a nap :-)
[03:47] <ajmitch> more or less :)
[03:48] <bmonty> if I could get my chroot to build, I might be able to make some progress on a script
[03:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: I've got a pretty fast connection if you want me to try something
[03:49] <bmonty> same here
[03:49] <ajmitch> bddebian: mine is meant to be upgraded to 2Mbps today
[03:49] <ajmitch> I'll need to do a bit of hacking anyway :)
[03:49] <bddebian> 2Mb..pfft.. ;-P
[03:49] <bmonty> I keep getting the error "Couldn't download libiw27" when I try to use debootstrap to make a chroot
[03:50] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's fast for NZ
[03:50] <ajmitch> Need to get 515MB of source archives.
[03:50] <ajmitch> yay
[03:51] <ajmitch> I see someone else at the flat is abusing the bandwidth as usual
[03:51] <ajmitch> iptables time..
[03:52] <bmonty> lol....its good to be the person that knows how to control the firewall
[03:52] <bddebian> Hmm, what to work on tonight
[03:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: start working on FTBFS issues :)
[03:52] <bddebian> ajmitch: On what?
[03:53] <ajmitch> FTBFS..
[03:53] <ajmitch> get the build list
[03:53] <bddebian> From what list?
[03:53] <ajmitch> I gave the url yesterday
[03:53] <bddebian> You did?
[03:54] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test
[03:54] <ajmitch> yep
[03:54] <ajmitch> plenty of failed packages in there
[03:54] <ajmitch> not sure if he's handing back all of universe every few days or not
[03:55] <bddebian> Ack, is there a consolidated list anywhere there?
[03:56] <ajmitch> see Lists
[03:56] <ajmitch> or byDate
[03:57] <ajmitch> the breezy failed list looks too short to be true in the Lists dir
[03:57] <bddebian> :-)
[03:58] <ajmitch> but I suspect it's not build failures there
[04:04] <bddebian> Those lists pretty much make no sense :-)
[04:05] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/20050804.html
[04:05] <ajmitch> for example, what is so hard to understand here?
[04:05] <ajmitch> there are successful builds, and there are failures
[04:06] <bddebian> They're all ia64 and ppc failures.. ;-P
[04:07] <ajmitch> not all
[04:07] <ajmitch> take a closer look
[04:07] <bddebian> I was kidding. :-)
[04:08] <ajmitch> so find something broken & fix it
[04:09] <ajmitch> or if you want something different, look on revu & look over some packages, adding comments where you can
[04:13] <chillywilly> ajmitch: I have 6MBit down roughly
[04:13] <chillywilly> :)
[04:16] <ajmitch> chillywilly: congratulations
[04:16] <chillywilly> there are like 7 i386 failures
[04:16] <chillywilly> all the rest are weird archs
[04:16] <chillywilly> ;P
[04:16] <bddebian> And several are xfce
[04:17] <bddebian> And debian-installer which I don't even get why that's there :-)
[04:17] <chillywilly> danielb@corporate2:/etc/bind$ uname -a
[04:17] <chillywilly> Linux corporate2 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 15:42:34 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[04:17] <chillywilly> :)
[04:17] <chillywilly> I have a couple dual amd64 machines at work :)
[04:18] <bddebian> chillywilly: So get busy ;-)
[04:19] <chillywilly> I am busy setting them up
[04:19] <chillywilly> :)
[04:19] <chillywilly> and the 3ware cli tools
[04:20] <chillywilly> then smartmontools
[04:20] <chillywilly> and tons of other crap
[04:20] <bddebian> I'm bored. :'-(
[04:21] <ajmitch> chillywilly: so when are you going to provide breezy chroots for us to work in?
[04:22] <majic> does anyone know if the Ruby package from Breezy was backported yet?
[04:22] <chillywilly> ajmitch: well, I don't own those machines
[04:23] <chillywilly> ajmitch: depends on what the load is like after they're in production ;)
[04:23] <bmonty> somebody want to upload the source package for bluez-utils?  it doesn't need any changes, just a rebuild
[04:23] <Lathiat> majic: should bu in the real backports archive
[04:24] <ajmitch> chillywilly: so you're just showing them off then, not providing them for use? :)
[04:24] <ajmitch> bmonty: we can't, and a rebuild doesn't fix it
[04:24] <chillywilly> ajmitch: penguin computing stopped making the Altus 3150
[04:24] <ajmitch> you can still install the main package,bluez-utils
[04:25] <bmonty> hmm, I just rebuilt the package and was able to install it, remove it, upgrade in my chroot
[04:25] <ajmitch> but another package is on the unmet deps list because of firmware
[04:25] <chillywilly> we still have support but they pulled that product off their site :(
[04:25] <ajmitch> bmonty: unmet deps has source packages, remember
[04:25] <bmonty> yup, I built the package from source
[04:25] <ajmitch> and there can be cases where most of the binaries install properly, except on
[04:25] <ajmitch> which is the case for bluex-utils
[04:26] <bmonty> k, I'll leave it alone then
[04:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: eg, try install  bluez-bcm203x
[04:26] <ajmitch> you'll find that it fails, which is why it is on the list
[04:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: besides, it's in main
[04:27] <ajmitch> this is why a simple rebuild of everything doesn't work unless you test installation of *all* the binary packages
[04:27] <bmonty> hmm, I missed that :(....so it should be in the main category on the unmet deps page then
[04:27] <ajmitch> yes
[04:28] <bddebian> What's the latest with libgtkmm?
[04:28] <ajmitch> bmonty: and I think the fix that may get implemented is just disabling the bluez-bcm203x package
[04:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: ask dholbach if you see him
[04:29] <bmonty> ajmitch: ok, thanks
[04:29] <bddebian> Sheesh, maybe I'll just work on Hurd stuff
[04:30] <ajmitch> bddebian: if you want to
[04:30] <ajmitch> throwing out a random package name & expecting us to know 'the latest' doesn't often work
[04:31] <bddebian> ??
[04:31] <bddebian> Ohh
[04:32] <bddebian> Well I was trying to find something else to fix other than UnmetDeps
[04:32] <ajmitch> right
[04:32] <ajmitch> don't you like unmet deps any more?
[04:32] <ajmitch> I think we're going to have more X fun in the next couple of weeks, judging by the -44 changelog
[04:32] <bddebian> It's repetative and takes too long just to test 1 single stinking package :-)
[04:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: who said MOTU work was fun?
[04:33] <bddebian> ajmitch: I asked daniels if he needed any help but he ignored me :-)
[04:33] <ajmitch> it's a thankless task that just keeps on piling up
[04:33] <ajmitch> bddebian: trying to initiate someone new in the ways of X packaging when he has to have it done by feature freeze is futile
[04:33] <bddebian> Well "fun" is a relative term.  It almost seems pointless
[04:33] <chillywilly> thanks for being a MOTU ajmitch ;)
[04:34] <chillywilly> there? see? It's not thankless!?!
[04:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: almost as much as Hurd development ;)
[04:34] <bmonty> I've learned a lot working on the unmet deps
[04:34] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well thats a labor of "love" ;-P
[04:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: so is MOTU work
[04:34] <bmonty> at least I know where most of the ubuntu devel tools are on the web
[04:34] <ajmitch> people only mention it when things break
[04:35] <ajmitch> other times they just use it
[04:35] <chillywilly> thanks be to all MOTUs for without such dedicated people I would not have some of my favorite wares, I salute thee
[04:48] <bddebian> Why does \sh still have libicq2000 on UnmetDeps under Cxx transition?
[04:48] <chillywilly> whoops him
[04:48] <chillywilly> whoop too
[04:49] <ajmitch> because it was only uploaded in the last day or so?
[04:49] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, the binary is still unmet but it builds fine
[04:49] <ajmitch> go ahead & fix it then
[04:50] <bddebian> Fix what?  I think it just needs a rebuild and I can't upload??
[04:52] <ajmitch> I did say that it had been uploaded in the last 24 hours or so
[04:52] <ajmitch> you say it's still broken, so there must be something wrong
[04:53] <bddebian> The ubuntu1 version doesn't appear to be the one in the archive!?
[04:54] <bddebian> wtf
[04:54] <chillywilly> ftw
[04:54] <ajmitch> because there's a new binary name?!??
[04:55] <ajmitch> it has to be manually approved
[04:55] <bddebian> Oh, hehe
[04:55] <bddebian> <-- dumbass
[04:55] <chillywilly> be nice to bddebian
[04:56] <ajmitch> chillywilly: I am being nice :P
[04:56] <chillywilly> he should be nice to himself ;)
[04:56] <bddebian> chillywilly: Yeah, I at least TRY to help and he's mean.. ;-P
[04:56] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:56] <ajmitch> bring on the violins :P
[04:56] <chillywilly> ajmitch is a nice guy
[04:56] <chillywilly> I love you ajmitch
[04:57] <ajmitch> php has warped me
[04:57] <bddebian> heh
[05:00] <chillywilly> they should use Python, twisted, and nevow
[05:00] <chillywilly> :)
[05:00] <chillywilly> ajmitch: show them the way ;)
[05:00] <ajmitch> of those, I'e used python
[05:01] <ajmitch> and rewriting a rather large app just for the sake of it, is incredibly unproductive
[05:01] <chillywilly> and REST of course
[05:01] <bmonty> if a package needs fam and depends on libfam0 (the client lib) does it need to also depend on fam?
[05:01] <chillywilly> RESTification is worth it ;)
[05:02] <bmonty> libfam0 depends on fam
[05:02] <chillywilly> ajmitch: those are currently my tools of choice
[05:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: then I'd say that just depending on libfam0 will do
[05:03] <ajmitch> since that will drag in fam anyway
[05:03] <bmonty> yeah, thats what I thought
[05:03] <bmonty> you haven't been wrong so far tonight :)
[05:05] <ajmitch> bmonty: I spent enough years in training ;)
[05:05] <chillywilly> ajmitch: all web apps should follow REST principles as closely as possible and practical, imho :)
[05:05] <ajmitch> chillywilly: sure, in your opinion ;)
[05:05] <ajmitch> I think it is useful as well, but rewriting existing apps is fairly pointless
[05:05] <chillywilly> well, that depends
[05:06] <chillywilly> I know a certain website/app that should just plain die ;)
[05:06] <ajmitch> sure
[05:06] <chillywilly> a rewrite would be a major improvement
[05:06] <ajmitch> but it's slightly OT here
[05:06] <chillywilly> sorry...
[05:07] <chillywilly> doh
[05:08] <chillywilly> Peter Jennings died
[05:08] <ajmitch> ok
[05:09] <bddebian> Ahh WTF
[05:11] <ajmitch> since that'll probably involve unloading & reloading the usb kernel modules
[05:12] <chillywilly> this is just the big noisy 3U box in my office
[05:12] <chillywilly> if it doesn't come back up the only thing that will suck is I won't be able to do anymore setup
[05:12] <chillywilly> from here
[05:13] <chillywilly> which might be a good thing considering I don't paid by the hour anyway ;)
[05:13] <ajmitch> hehe
[05:13] <ajmitch> it'll probably live just to spite you
[05:13] <bddebian> heh
[05:13] <chillywilly> it came back up
[05:14] <ajmitch> if only bddebian's hurd boxes would be remote-rebootable so easily
[05:14] <bddebian> heh
[05:14] <ajmitch> bddebian: wire up a relay for the reset switches :)
[05:15] <bddebian> They typically reboot OK, it's just that our ext2fs sucks so bad, the fscks fail on bootup :-)
[05:15] <ajmitch> makes sense
[05:17] <chillywilly> bddebian: write a new ext2fs
[05:17] <chillywilly> :)
[05:18] <ajmitch> bddebian: write a decent networked filesystem instead
[05:18] <bddebian> ajmitch: smbfs?
[05:19] <chillywilly> hahah
[05:19] <chillywilly> cifs ;)
[05:19] <bddebian> Sure
[05:20] <bddebian> God I hate UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:24] <bmonty> ajmitch: isn't there a network file system that mirrors stuff to your drive and syncs up automatically?
[05:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: probably, but we're talking about the Hurd, which is a little lacking in a decent network filesystem
[05:26] <bmonty> ahh
[05:26] <ajmitch> bddebian's other spare time project is hacking the hurd
[05:28] <bmonty> he must have lots of spare time
[05:28] <bddebian> Not hardly
[05:28] <bddebian> And even less skills and patience :-)
[05:29] <Lathiat> haha
[05:30] <bddebian> That's not funny, it's depressing :-)
[05:33] <chillywilly> pfft
[05:38] <bmonty> goodnight guys...I think I got one thing productive done, I posted a debdiff for doodle on the wiki
[05:39] <bddebian> Gnight bmonty,thanks :-)
[05:39] <bmonty> cya all later
[05:41] <bddebian> I swear that 4 out of 5 things that I try to build FTBFS.. :'-(
[05:42] <crimsun> ftbfs isn't bad
[05:43] <crimsun> it's the ftbfs && g++4 && kde-based prog that really hurts
[05:51] <bddebian> Well yes, that's true
[05:53] <chillywilly> I think it's time for beddy bye
[05:53] <chillywilly> g'night dudes
[05:53] <bddebian> Later chillywilly
[10:07] <Mez> Siretart: ping
[10:08] <siretart> huhu Mez (pong) :)
[10:08] <Mez> can you purge simias from REVU
[10:08] <ajmitch> hi Mez, siretart
[10:09] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[10:09] <Treenaks> ajmitch: good luck
[10:09] <siretart> Mez: will do
[10:09] <ajmitch> since I'm still running the hoary kernel
[10:09] <Mez> dont run the hoary kernel for breezy
[10:09] <Mez> install the breezy kernel first
[10:09] <mbreit> hi all
[10:09] <ajmitch> Mez: and why not?
[10:09] <ajmitch> since I've been using it for the last several months with no problem
[10:10] <Mez> cause it doesnt work :P
[10:10] <mbreit> Mez: i have been using hoary kernel for breezy, too... no problems...
[10:10] <ajmitch> udev may have had issues if I was to reboot without the 2.6.12 kernel
[10:16] <Mez> weird...
[10:16] <Mez> I've been using breezy kernel ever since Ive been usin breexy
[10:18] <ajmitch> so why would you then say that the hoary kernel doesn't work?
[10:27] <Mez> cause it didnt work for me
[10:27] <Mez> If i try uysing the hoary kernel it wont boot
[10:48] <ajmitch_> well
[10:48] <ajmitch_> system still hasn't come up yet, still fscking ;
 finally, ext2/3 for windows --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11506
[11:31] <JanC> "finally" ?
[11:32] <JanC> there is also an open source ext2 IFS driver...
[11:32] <Treenaks> JanC: which doesn't work
[11:33] <Treenaks> JanC: (tried it last Saturday)
[11:33] <Lathiat> it works
[11:33] <JanC> I have used it... ?
[11:33] <Lathiat> but it caused a number of windows kernel panics
[11:33] <Lathiat> randomly
[11:33] <Lathiat> but fo rthe most part it worked
[11:33] <Treenaks> Lathiat: it didn't for me.. it didn't recognise my USB disk
[11:33] <Lathiat> pretty cool ti has write support tho
[11:33] <Lathiat> Treenaks: you have to set it up
[11:33] <Lathiat> with the program
[11:33] <Lathiat> so youd plug yoru usb disk in and load the program etc
[11:33] <Lathiat> it wasnt overlyh great
[11:33] <Treenaks> Lathiat: yes, I did. but that program didn't find the drive
[11:34] <JanC> which driver have you folks used ?
[11:34] <JanC> tehre are 2 or 3 open source drivers  :)
[11:34] <Treenaks> JanC: some 0.3 one
[11:35] <JanC> try this one: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/#ext2fsd
[11:35] <Treenaks> JanC: I don't need it anymore :)
[11:35] <JanC> bookmark it then  :)
[11:37] <Lathiat> i ahvent seen one that writes yet
[11:37] <Lathiat> so this one must be either good or the author is crazy
[11:37] <Treenaks> Lathiat: or BOTH
[11:37] <Lathiat> haha
[11:38] <Lathiat> can i resize ext3 online with ubuntus kernels?
[11:38] <JanC> write support is marked experimental :)
[11:39] <Treenaks> Lathiat: online? that's scary
[11:40] <Lathiat> heh
[11:41] <Lathiat> well
[11:41] <Lathiat> ah, ext2online only goes growing
[11:42] <Treenaks> this is why people love live CD's
[11:42] <Treenaks> so you can do it offline in a sane way
[11:42] <Treenaks> hey Seveas
[11:42] <Lathiat> heh
[11:42] <Lathiat> well
[11:42] <Lathiat> bbs, i hope ;p
[11:43] <Seveas> hi
[12:25] <Lathiat> well
[12:25] <Lathiat> parted refuses to resize it
[12:25] <Lathiat> says its busy
[12:25] <Lathiat> yet neither swap nor the fs is mounted
[12:56] <infinito> \sh: ping
[12:56] <Nafallo> \sh: ping jabber
[12:58] <Mez> jabber ?
[12:58] <Nafallo> Mez: I can only see ajmitch as online
[12:58] <Nafallo> i.e. something odd is up with jabber.org :-P
[12:59] <Nafallo> also, it takes >10s for messages from me to my girlfriend.
[01:01] <Mez> Nafallo: address/
[01:01] <Nafallo> nafallo@jabber.org / gothcat@jabber.org
[01:02] <Mez> gothcat as in gothcat that recently became a member
[01:02] <Nafallo> gothcat is -EBUSY though :-)
[01:02] <Nafallo> yepp
[01:02] <Nafallo> my girlfriend :-)
[01:03] <Mez> fair enough
[01:19] <hno73> NOTICE: the ubuntu and udu wikis are now READ-ONLY, so hold off on edits for a while. Should be about 30 minutes. Thanks.
[01:23] <infinito> anyone here is in charge for syncing pkgs from MOTUToSync??
[01:23] <ajmitch> infinito: elmo does syncs
[01:24] <Nafallo> ajmitch: morning :-)
[01:24] <infinito> ajmitch: elmo seems not to be here....
[01:24] <ajmitch> and we shoul mark them off done
[01:24] <ajmitch> infinito: that's right, elmo doesn't visit -motu
[01:24] <ajmitch> hey Nafallo
[01:25] <Nafallo> ajmitch: how come you're the one MOTU I see on my jabber? :-)
[01:25] <Nafallo> and Mez now, actually
[01:25] <ajmitch> Nafallo: no idea, I saw ogra come online earlier
[01:26] <Nafallo> ajmitch: yea, but \sh is not there. and he should _always_ be there IIRC ;-)
[01:26] <ajmitch> it's a worry ;)
[01:26] <retrix> hey, how do i specify i want to build an architecture-independent package?
[01:27] <ajmitch> retrix: Architecture: all in debian/control
[01:27] <retrix> ajmitch, hmm ok, i had any in there for some reason
[01:29] <ajmitch> any means build on any arch
[01:29] <ajmitch> all means the package works on all :)
[01:29] <retrix> ah i see, thx
[01:32] <\sh> heaven and hell...back from bloody meetings
[01:32] <Nafallo> \sh: wee! :-)
[01:32] <Nafallo> \sh: why can't I see you online on jabber? :-)
[01:33] <mbreit> hi \sh
[01:33] <hno73> NOTICE: The ubuntu wiki is now writable again after pages have been transferred in from the UDU wiki. udu.wiki.ubuntu.com now forwards to wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:34] <\sh> Nafallo: cause I'm not online with jabber right now :)
[01:34] <Nafallo> \sh: WHAT? now you're scaring me.
[01:34] <\sh> Nafallo: now I'm online ,-)
[01:35] <Nafallo> \sh: see jabber ;-)
[01:37] <\sh> mbreit: hey..U msged me
[01:37] <DanielN> hiho guys
[01:38] <mbreit> \sh: do you know a famir, or fatmir or so from essen?
[01:38] <\sh> mbreit: no...but farid ,-)
[01:38] <mbreit> \sh: yes, that was it ;)
[01:38] <\sh> farid mesbahi
[01:38] <mbreit> \sh: he was at our lug meeting yesterday ;))
[01:39] <\sh> mbreit: really? well...I know him since my early c64 days :)
[01:39] <mbreit> \sh: yes, he told us that he knows you from essen...
[01:40] <\sh> yeah...I lived in essen when I was 13 till my age of 17
[01:40] <\sh> essen-steele to be exact
[01:40] <mbreit> \sh: i think he lives now in paderborn or some city near that
[01:41] <\sh> mbreit: yes...I heard from him when I was working in guetersloh...and he told me that he's working in paderborn...
[01:41] <\sh> mbreit: he just mailed me yesterday :)
[01:41] <\sh> funny
[01:41] <mbreit> \sh: we gave him your email adress
[01:42] <\sh> mbreit: you must have taught him how to use google ,-)
[01:42] <mbreit> *g*
[01:42] <mbreit> \sh: he saw your ubuntu-wiki page when he tried to get some informations about ubuntu
[01:43] <\sh> hehe...sh*t I'm not invisible...;)
[01:43] <\sh> but the world is small...yes..
[01:43] <\sh> and I know too many people out there
[01:43] <mbreit> *g*
[01:43] <Nafallo> \sh: you are invisible :-P
[01:44] <Nafallo> still offline ;-)
[01:44] <\sh> Nafallo: I'll ask mvo if I'm offline for him as well
[01:44] <\sh> Nafallo: register an account with linux-server.org
[01:45] <infinito> \sh: hi... i wanted to ask u about MOTUToSync...
[01:45] <\sh> infinito: elmo is responsible for this page :)
[01:45] <Nafallo> \sh: I thought I'd ask you to experiment with magicalforest.se if you would want to. I'm eager to try the SRV-lookups :-)
[01:46] <infinito> deadline for syncing before breezy is next 11th doesnt it??
[01:46] <\sh> Nafallo: well...actually I need to know if ejabberd/psi or gaim and jabberd.org are having problems...so I can poke peter st. andre to fix it
[01:47] <Nafallo> \sh: *s* oki :-).
[01:58] <Nafallo> \sh: you _are_ still online, right?
[01:58] <Nafallo> and get my messages and stuff
[02:00] <\sh> yes
[02:22] <siretart> SloMo_: ping
[02:40] <SloMo_> siretart: pong ;)
[02:41] <siretart> ah, there you are
[02:41] <siretart> SloMo_: I'm just on doing revu work, and processed some packages of you
[02:42] <siretart> SloMo_: shall I upload faac-1.24clean? there is some statment in the changelog, that it requires a newer faad2 package
[02:43] <siretart> SloMo_: shall I upload it as is and you ping elmo so that it gets in multiverse?
[02:43] <SloMo_> yes... but the "newer" faad2 package is already for weeks in the archive... you uploaded it ;)
[02:43] <siretart> oh, my memory.. :)
[02:43] <SloMo_> hmm, isn't it already in the multiverse list?
[02:43] <siretart> possibly
[02:43] <siretart> but is it ok to upload?
[02:44] <SloMo_> yep... both are already in the multiverse list, at least the older version got into multiverse
[02:44] <SloMo_> sure
[02:44] <siretart> uploading now
[02:45] <siretart> SloMo_: I made some comments to your liferea upload, could you please have a look at it?
[02:45] <siretart> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=248
[02:46] <SloMo_> ok, i'll talk to elmo... at the time a uploaded the package to revu there was no 0.9.4 in debian
[02:47] <siretart> ah, I see
[02:47] <SloMo_> hmm but can't i take just the debian package, make the small change and upload the ubuntu1 version directly?
[02:47] <siretart> that would be the other option
[02:47] <siretart> yes
[02:47] <SloMo_> ok, sounds easier and takes some work from elmo ;)
[02:47] <siretart> jepp :)
[02:51] <SloMo_> ok, i'm uploading it in a few minutes :) just need to get really awake *gets some coffee* :)
[02:51] <siretart> hehe
[02:51] <siretart> good morning, btw ;)
[02:58] <SloMo_> ree
[02:58] <SloMo_> thanks :)
[02:58] <SloMo_> liferea currently builds in pbuilder
[03:01] <SloMo_> hmm... but what i wonder since over a year... why don't the mozilla people split their stuff into something like a libgecko which then gets used by firefox, mozilla and every other browser which uses this for rendering... that way not everybody needs the whole mozilla/firefox just to use galeon or epiphany...
[03:01] <Nafallo> SloMo_: same question for kde
[03:02] <Nafallo> SloMo_: and uptil now, xorg :-)
[03:07] <SloMo_> yeah... cowbell 0.2.2 arrived in debian :)
[03:07] <siretart> :)
[03:11] <SloMo_> siretart: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=324
[03:13] <siretart> SloMo_: in already in my pbuilder ;)
[03:14] <mbreit> yeahoo... just got mail from elmo, i am finally whitelisted ;))
[03:14] <Nafallo> I got REJECT :-P
[03:14] <SloMo_> siretart: hmm hopefully the version which came at 15:10 ;) the older one was missing a dependency
[03:14] <siretart> jepp, it is the right version
[03:14] <SloMo_> Nafallo: so we were not added yet... :(
[03:15] <siretart> Nafallo: oh, did I bork some upload?
[03:15] <siretart> Nafallo: arn't you a motu yet and can upload for yourself?
[03:15] <Nafallo> yay! I'm added both as MOTU and whitelisted :-)
[03:15] <siretart> Nafallo: well, then you can upload yourself, right?
[03:15] <Nafallo> siretart: since some minutes yes :-).
[03:15] <siretart> hehe
[03:15] <siretart> excellent. then you can handle your reject on your own :)
[03:16] <siretart> SloMo_: what about you?
[03:16] <Nafallo> I got an reject before I got the acks :-)
[03:16] <siretart> ah, i see
[03:16] <SloMo_> no idea ;) i got no mail from elmo but i'll test in a few seconds ;)
[03:16] <siretart> SloMo_: he seems to be on irc right now, perhaps you can ping him
[03:18] <Amaranth> SloMo_: What you described (mozilla stuff) is what the Gecko Runtime Environment (GRE) and I guess XULRunner are supposed to do.
[03:18] <Nafallo> yay!
[03:19] <Nafallo> first upload
[03:19] <Amaranth> what was it?
[03:19] <Nafallo> I've must have done that some days ago :-P
[03:20] <siretart> Nafallo: contratulations! :)
[03:20] <Nafallo> siretart: thanx :-)
[03:22] <mbreit> and i have some problem (again) that i am unable to solve...
[03:22] <mbreit> i recompiled ickle
[03:22] <mbreit> against libicq2000c2... but the generated .deb depends on libicq2000
[03:23] <siretart> Nafallo: do you have time to look at some packages in revu? I'd like to get some NEW packages uploaded..
[03:24] <mbreit> iit uses  ${shlibs:Depends}, and pbuilder installed libicq2000c2 and not libicq2000... so where is the problem?
[03:24] <mbreit> s/iit/it/
[03:24] <Nafallo> siretart: sure. I just have to mail you before I can give comments :-).
[03:24] <siretart> Nafallo: ah, you cannot login?
[03:25] <Nafallo> siretart: only as contributor.
[03:26] <siretart> Nafallo: no need to do so, I upgraded you as reviwer
[03:26] <siretart> ;)
[03:26] <Nafallo> siretart: *s*
[03:27] <Nafallo> siretart: thanx, I've been having troubles with evo and gpg :-)
[03:27] <siretart> oh
[03:27] <Treenaks> Nafallo: evo is your problem :)
[03:27] <Nafallo> Treenaks: ;-)
[03:28] <Mez> w00t
[03:28] <Mez> I have upload!"
[03:28] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:28] <Nafallo> dang. have to do sysadministration of my server. I'll have to look at REVU later.
[03:28] <siretart> congratulations, Mez :)
[03:29] <Nafallo> girlfriends _are_ demanding :-P
[03:29] <siretart> Nafallo: ooh, no problem. take care!
[03:29] <siretart> ;)
[03:29] <siretart> yes, there are.
[03:29] <siretart> :)
[03:29] <Mez> siretart :D 2 weeks late - but meh
[03:30] <mbreit> could someone help me with my problem?
[03:33] <SloMo_> mbreit: sure... what problem is it?
[03:33] <mbreit> see above about my problem with ickle and libicq2000
[03:34] <SloMo_> look at libicq2000... i bet it calls dh_makeshilibs with libicq2000 and not with libicq2000c2
[03:35] <mbreit> SloMo_: it calls "dh_makeshlibs -a"
[03:36] <mbreit> should that be dh_makeshlibs -p libicq2000c2 ?
[03:38] <SloMo_> wait i'll look at it...
[03:39] <siretart> Mez: hey, I finally find some time to do ubuntu work :)
[03:39] <Mez> ..?
[03:39] <Mez> like what ?
[03:40] <SloMo_> mbreit: ok, in the control is a mistake... Repalces: ;)
[03:41] <mbreit> oh... okay... do you fix that or shall i do it?
[03:41] <SloMo_> well that can't be the problem you found... i'll look further after eating
[03:42] <mbreit> well, i think you gave me the right pointer with dh_makeshlibs... i will look at that myself...
[03:45] <tseng> buh
[03:45] <tseng> is there no package for php4-oracle?
[03:46] <Mez> tseng: i believe its in php4-universe
[03:47] <tseng> i dont see it
[03:47] <tseng> oh thats a binary?
[03:48] <tseng> no
[04:13] <siretart> Mez: are you still working on gaim-assistant?
[04:17] <Mez> siretart, I've no idea how to fix that compile error
[04:19] <siretart> Mez: shall I archive that upload then or wait a few days more?
[04:19] <siretart> \sh_away: congratulations to your first upload to main, dude!
[04:20] <Mez> siretart, archive it till I can work out how to fix
[04:21] <siretart> ok. it will get unarchived on new upload anyway
[04:23] <Mez> bddebian: ping
[04:23] <Mez> who isnt here so why am i pinging him
[05:43] <Mez> WANTED: very brave user with Ubuntu hoary who doesnt mind reinstalling
[05:44] <Nafallo> libglu1-mesa-dev is not a good build-dep, is it?
[05:44] <SloMo_> Mez: what are you trying to do? ;) one week earlier and i could help... now my laptop is updated to breezy
[05:45] <mbreit> Mez: i updated my laptop to breezy the day before yesterday, so bad luck :(
[05:46] <Mez> lol
[05:47] <SloMo_> but i've a hoary chroot lying around... if this is enough for what you want to test...
[05:47] <Mez> nop
[05:47] <Mez> e
[05:47] <Mez> watch i -devel
[05:48] <SloMo_> brb
[05:49] <Nafallo> Mez: was that for me? :-)
[05:49] <Mez> anyone who wants to know what we're dfoing
[05:50] <Nafallo> Mez: sure :-)
[06:14] <JanC> SloMo_, you might want to read this : http://wiki.mozilla.org/XUL:Xul_Runner
[06:16] <sistpoty> hi folks
[06:16] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[06:16] <Nafallo> hmm
[06:16] <siretart> sistpoty: how are you?
[06:16] <Nafallo> hi sistpoty :-)
[06:16] <SloMo_> JanC: thanks :)
[06:16] <SloMo_> hi sistpoty
[06:16] <sistpoty> siretart: so far so good ;)
[06:17] <sistpoty> siretart: did everything work out with your study thesis?
[06:18] <siretart> sistpoty: yepp, it now for review :)
[06:18] <sistpoty> *g*
[06:46] <bddebian> Morning
[06:48] <Mez> ah hey bddebian
[06:48] <bddebian> ah? :-)
[06:48] <bddebian> Hello Mez
[06:48] <Mez> one sec
[06:49] <SloMo_> hi bddebian :)
[06:49] <bddebian> Heya SloMo_
[06:50] <Mez> bddebian, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11578
[06:50] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[06:50] <Mez> what was the reason fordropping the patch
[06:50] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[06:51] <bddebian> Mez: It was FTBFSing for me and wasn't necessary
[06:51] <Mez> FTFBS?
[06:52] <mbreit> fails to build from source
[06:52] <bddebian> Fail To Build From Source
[06:52] <Amaranth> Failure To Build From Source
[06:52] <SloMo_> lol
[06:52] <Mez> bddebian, you need to state the reason why you do things :D or people will ask why :P (like me)
[06:53] <bddebian> "No dropped patches but had to remove unnecessary gcc4 patch from kubuntu"
[06:53] <bddebian> "unnecessary" doesn't explain it? :-)
[06:53] <Mez> doesnt explain why it was unncessary
[06:53] <bddebian> Ah, fair enough
[06:56] <sistpoty2> hm... I'm just trying to do some work on UniverseUnmetDeps... if I see packages assigned to nobody, that are installable right now, should i remove these from the list?
[06:57] <Mez> sistpoty run the command at the top and regen the list :D
[06:57] <mbreit> sistpoty2: there are some package that have unmetdeps only on one arch...
[06:57] <sistpoty2> ah... ok mbreit, good point
[06:57] <bddebian> sistpotyYes but what is installable for you?
[06:57] <Mez> can someone just regenerate the list?
[06:58] <mbreit> sistpoty2: tell us which packages you mean, then i will test on amd64... and perhaps slomo can do on ppc
[06:58] <mbreit> Mez: i think regenerating is much more work...
[06:58] <Mez> mbreit - the command is at the top of the page
[06:58] <mbreit> Mez: i know
[06:58] <bddebian> But then you have to rip out what people have already looked at :-)
[06:59] <sistpoty2> mbreit: just a moment
[06:59] <mbreit> bddebian: full ack
[06:59] <SloMo_> sistpoty2: to see whether it is not installable on one arch look at packages.ubuntu.com... in that case there are some deps missing (for one or more architectures)
[06:59] <GazerWork> siretart, hi, in https://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml, there is nothing about DB_INSTALL_DOCS_, (or I don't understand why DB_INSTALL_DOCS_ is a better solution for my problem)
[07:00] <siretart> GazerWork: to be honest, I also never heared about DB_INSTALL_DOCS, perhaps you can ask jbailey about this?
[07:00] <GazerWork> siretart, yes , thx
[07:00] <mbreit> SloMo_: but packages.ubuntu.com shows it just for one arch?
[07:01] <GazerWork> jbailey, ping :) ?
[07:01] <mbreit> SloMo_: and it's often not up to date
[07:01] <sistpoty2> mbreit: aspell-de-alt...
[07:01] <mbreit> sistpoty2: that belongs to the doko list...
[07:01] <Mez> mbreit, yes, but usually you'll be able to see that on there and then check the version thats in the repo :D
[07:01] <mbreit> i have asked him yesterday if i could move that to his list...
[07:02] <SloMo_> mbreit: when there are differences between the archs it shows them
[07:02] <mbreit> SloMo_: okay, i did not know that
[07:02] <mbreit> doko: ping
[07:02] <Mez> bddebian, are you whitelisted?
[07:03] <bddebian> Mez: As of last night yes
[07:03] <sistpoty2> mbreit: bacula
[07:03] <Mez> good
[07:04] <Mez> bddebian, watch for katie output
[07:04] <doko> mbreit: pong
[07:04] <mbreit> doko: can we move aspell-de-alt to your list at UniverseUnmetDeps?
[07:04] <Mez> Nafallo: you may want to look @ autobuild.py for backports
[07:04] <bddebian> Nafallo: I think tseng started one
[07:04] <bddebian> Mez: OK, thanks
[07:04] <Mez> I'm sure it can be changed easily
[07:04] <mbreit> doko: or can we do that generally without asking?
[07:04] <doko> Nafallo: but don't add -ubuntuN suffixes for packages, that don't have a -ubuntuN suffix ...
[07:05] <doko> what is wrong about aspell-de-alt?
[07:05] <mbreit> sistpoty2: just verified: bacula is installable on amd64
[07:05] <sistpoty2> so is it on i386
[07:05] <Nafallo> doko: I'll increment automatically with dch and then run nano -w on debian/changelog right after :-)
[07:05] <mbreit> doko: nothing... that's why it does not belong to the "need-love" lsit
[07:05] <mbreit> s/lsit/list/
[07:06] <Nafallo> ugly and working ;-)
[07:06] <mbreit> doko: and because you fixed it, i would like to move it to the "doko"-row on that page
[07:06] <Nafallo> simple bash :-)
[07:10] <doko> mbreit: if you think, that it's worth the work ...
[07:10] <mbreit> doko: at least it should be removed from the needs-love list...
[07:12] <mbreit> sistpoty: i think you can remove bacula...
[07:13] <sistpoty> mbreit: ok
[07:17] <seth_k> Mez, what would be different about the mails on the Backports mailing list? Thunderbird crashes every time I try to open one
[07:17] <seth_k> I thought it might be the ones that are signed, but I can open non-Backports signed mail with no crash
[07:17] <Mez> seth_k, nothing - that's weird
[07:18] <seth_k> Mez, what's the attachment on them? Those are the ones I can't open
[07:18] <seth_k> is it a detach clearsign?
[07:18] <Mez> atachement
[07:18] <Mez> ?
[07:19] <bddebian> Heya seth_k, where you been? :-)
[07:20] <Mez> seth - have you the latest version of thunderbird?
[07:20] <janimo> guys was there a resolution of the config.{sub.guess} issue in diffs?
[07:22] <sistpoty> janimo: these shouldn't be modified every build time... iirc the resolution was to contact upstream of autotools
[07:22] <janimo> but until then? my debdiffs have them
[07:22] <janimo> is it ok to upload like this
[07:22] <janimo> ?
[07:23] <sistpoty> sorry, dunno
[07:23] <infinito> siretart: ping
[07:23] <janimo> ok thanks :)
[07:24] <sistpoty> janimo: but if you're building new packages, you could consider cdbs, which afaik eliminates the config.sub/guess problem
[07:24] <janimo> texisting package, but I've been meaning to try CDBS :)
[07:25] <sistpoty> hehe, haven't tried it either
[07:25] <seth_k> Mez, yeah, it only started after last update -1
[07:27] <Mez> weird, woeks fine for me
[07:27] <seth_k> hi bddebian, i've been on vacation
[07:27] <bddebian> seth_k: Ah, nice
[07:28] <seth_k> nice except that the universe vomited in my inbox :D
[07:28] <bddebian> Hehe, yeah, I imagine :-)
[07:38] <sistpoty> caudium also seems to be installable...
[07:40] <SloMo_> Mez: can we backport gkrellm? ;)
[07:40] <bddebian> Is the x86 buildd down today or behind?
[07:40] <mbreit> siretart: nope
[07:41] <mbreit> siretart: the list is about _source packages_, and caudium-pixsl (which belongs to caudium source package) is not installable
[07:41] <Nafallo> bddebian: they seem down. I think one is online and catching up
[07:41] <sistpoty> mbreit: ok, thanks for the hint
[07:42] <mbreit> sistpoty: btw: add bacula to the list again ;)
[07:42] <mbreit> bacula-wxconsole has unmet deps
[07:43] <mbreit> oh wait... i'll put it to my list...
[07:43] <sistpoty> mbreit: done
[07:48] <sistpoty> mbreit: but putting packages that can be rebuilt without changes to the "Just Need A Rebuild"-list is ok?
[07:48] <mbreit> bddebian: the i386 buildds are back ;)
[07:49] <mbreit> sistpoty: if you tested them after rebuilding and you verified that they are working, yes
[07:50] <sistpoty> ok
[07:50] <Nafallo> I'm preparing uploads for that list :-)
[07:53] <bddebian> Damn, is everyone working today to impress the TB at the meeting?? ;-P
[07:53] <mbreit> bddebian: i haven't done much for ubuntu today....
[07:54] <bddebian> Me either :-(
[07:54] <mbreit> i will write my last exam tomorrow, so the real work will start after it ;)
[07:54] <mbreit> bddebian: but i don't have to impress the TB... i am not yet a member, so that's my next step *g*
[07:54] <sistpoty> good luck mbreit
[07:54] <mbreit> sistpoty: thanks
[07:55] <bddebian> mbreit: You have my vote ;-)
[07:55] <mbreit> bddebian: thanks ;)
[07:56] <mbreit> hmm... bacual ftbfs... so i will have a closer look tomorrow
[08:01] <sistpoty> cooking time... will be back later
[08:01] <seth_k> bddebian, gimmie a quick hand with dput for revu? what part of the source tree should I be in before typing "dput revu"
[08:02] <sistpoty> seth_k: one directory above the source tree, where your .dsc/.changes file reside
[08:02] <seth_k> okay, thanks sistpoty
[08:02] <sistpoty> np
[08:02] <bddebian> seth_k: afaik, wherever your ... Oh, nm :-)
[08:02] <sistpoty> <-- off now ;)
[08:02] <seth_k> hehe
[08:02] <bddebian> Later sistpoty
[08:02] <sistpoty> cya
[08:17] <bddebian> Man, it got quiet in here all of the sudden
[08:35] <janimo> is there a standard way of upgrading a meta-package and it's depends w/o a full dist-upgarde?
[08:35] <Treenaks> janimo: apt-get install metapackage
[08:35] <Treenaks> when a new version is available of course :)
[08:35] <janimo> Treenack, that does not update it's depends if already there
[08:35] <janimo> i.e I have latest x-window-system-core and the syetm is happy even though
[08:35] <janimo> it's depends are older than -44
[08:35] <janimo> a restricted dist-upgrade
[08:36] <Treenaks> janimo: if you're running breezy, just dist-upgrade
[08:36] <Treenaks> janimo: if you're running hoary, poke daniels
[08:36] <Treenaks> uh no
[08:36] <janimo> see my initial question :) w/o dist-upgrade
[08:36] <Treenaks> janimo: what are you trying to upgrade then?
[08:36] <janimo> I jsust want latest X and depends not all cruf^W nice software :)
[08:36] <Treenaks> janimo: impossible
[08:36] <Treenaks> (or VERY VERY hard)
[08:37] <Treenaks> and likely very broken
[08:37] <janimo> Teenaks, hmm I wonder why is this not in apt?
[08:37] <janimo> just iterate over depends and install them recursively
[08:45] <seth_k> hmmm
[08:45] <seth_k> why would pdebuild not be signing my .changes files...
[08:45] <bddebian> Someone else had that problem recently
[08:46] <seth_k> oh, it's not signing the source.changes
[08:46] <seth_k> just the i386.changes
[09:09] <Nafallo> from UniverseUnmetDeps
[09:09] <mbreit> Nafallo: i you would mention our names in the changelogs... ;)
[09:10] <Nafallo> mbreit: did :-)
[09:10] <mbreit> Nafallo: great, thanks!
[09:11] <Nafallo> mbreit: sqsh uploaded :-)
[09:11] <mbreit> great... the list gets smaller...
[09:11] <Nafallo> seth_k: tagtool skribe uploaded
[09:11] <seth_k> cheers Nafallo
[09:11] <Nafallo> bddebian: w3mmee uploaded :-)
[09:14] <bddebian> Nafallo: Ah cool, thanks
[09:16] <tseng> SloMoSnail++
[09:16] <SloMoSnail> hm?
[09:16] <tseng> you seem to be uploading now
[09:16] <tseng> good stuff
[09:16] <bddebian> w00t SloMoSnail
[09:18] <SloMoSnail> tseng: i'm not uploading ;) i delegate my uploads to others as elmo hasn't added my key to the keyring yet... my signed CoC hasn't arrived at mako :(
[09:18] <tseng> i see
[09:22] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks for rebuilding that packages!
[09:30] <janimo> yay, my first upload to REVU!
[09:31] <siretart> grats janimo :)
[09:31] <seth_k> janimo, how did you get your _source.changes file signed, mine refuse to sign :P
[09:31] <seth_k> it only signs the i386.changes
[09:32] <janimo> seth_k, I could using gpg :)
[09:32] <seth_k> mm, true, manually
[09:32] <janimo> dpkg-buildpackage asks for password doing build
[09:32] <janimo> if you have gpg set up correctly it should work
[09:32] <seth_k> yeah, I know, I put it in
[09:32] <seth_k> but it only signed i386.changes
[09:32] <seth_k> not source.changes
[09:32] <seth_k> hmm
[09:33] <janimo> well if you pass -S so that it's a source build and don't pass -uc it shoudl sign it
[09:33] <bddebian>  -us
[09:34] <janimo> right I confuse -us and -uc :)
[09:34] <bddebian> :-)
[09:34] <seth_k> ah, I'm doing -b, and only -S on dpkg-genchanges
[09:34] <seth_k> probably the issue
[09:35] <bddebian>  -S -sa
[09:35] <janimo> bddebian, actually -uc is for changes and -us for dsc I think
[09:35] <bddebian> janimo: Ahh, I wasn't familiar with -uc :-)
[09:36] <janimo> I use -us -uc when I don;t want to be bothered with password promt while testing
[09:36] <bddebian> I usually use -us -tc :-)
[09:37] <janimo> orthogonal :)
[09:37] <janimo> -tc I mean
[09:38] <janimo> what are the meaning of icons in REVU?
[09:38] <janimo> bulb,hammer,heart?
[09:38] <siretart> janimo: your upload of xubuntu-meta has strange permissions in the tarball
[09:39] <janimo> rules +x
[09:39] <janimo> what else?
[09:39] <janimo> I wonder what I b0rked :)
[09:39] <siretart> janimo: bulb means, the package is NEW and requires 3 MOTU's to sign off
[09:39] <siretart> janimo: hammer meens, need work
[09:39] <siretart> janimo: and heart means: ready to be uploaded or already uploaded
[09:40] <janimo> thanks
[09:40] <janimo> heart and bulb means ready, and heart alone alreday uploaded then?
[09:41] <janimo>  what are the strange permissions, I just copied form kubuntu-meta most of the files and di not mess withh perms
[09:43] <siretart> drwxr-x---  3 siretart users 4096  9. Aug 21:28 xubuntu-meta-0.1/
[09:43] <siretart> that I'd consider strange :)
[09:46] <janimo> oh the direcotry itself :)
[09:46] <janimo> indeed
[09:47] <janimo> that's the same as on the kubuntu-meta source dir though
[09:47] <siretart> then thats broken, too ;)
[09:47] <janimo> and all XXbuntu-meta-s
[09:48] <siretart> well, I does not violate debian policy, so its not legally broken
[09:48] <janimo> you mean it should be rx for all?
[09:48] <janimo> I just looked at some other source pkgs
[09:48] <siretart> the problem is rather, that revu doesn't fix permissions, so you cannot browse the package online
[09:48] <siretart> for that upload, I fixed that manually
[09:49] <janimo> aha so rx for all for future packages right?
[09:50] <siretart> 755 is imo sane
[09:50] <siretart> jupp
[09:50] <siretart> perhaps its rather a workaround for revu, but it works :)
[09:51] <janimo> ok thanks for the heads-up :)
[09:52] <janimo> so if I want to review stuff I send you my gpg key?
[09:52] <janimo> oh I see I should get a mail after my first upload, is that automatic?
[09:55] <siretart> janimo: enter your email and try to login. then use the 'revocer' button
[09:55] <siretart> s/button/link/
[09:56] <Mez> siretart: who's ben collins/
[09:56] <siretart> Mez: dunno, sorry
[09:56] <Mez> lol
[09:56] <Mez> he's going for main tonight (in 4 mins I beleive?
[09:59] <janimo> Mez, ben collins is a DD
[09:59] <janimo> among others maintainer of firewire in linux kernel
[09:59] <Mez> ah - never heard of him afore looking at the agenda
[10:00] <tseng> its unprecedented to go from 0 -> main in the open community afaik
[10:00] <tseng> there are several cases of backdoor canonical magic
[10:00] <janimo> well trusted debian old timers may bypass the usual ritual I guess
[10:01] <janimo> they have a proven technical  and social track record
[10:04] <Burgundavia> ogra, we should probably add a backports resolution to the bugzilla
[10:04] <Mez> lol
[10:04] <chillywilly> bah...having problems getting subversion to work in hoary
[10:04] <ogra> yes, its quite annoying
[10:05] <Mez> ogra ... ?
[10:05] <Mez> backports in bugzilla?
[10:05] <bddebian> chillywilly!!
[10:05] <Mez> poke them over to malone :D
[10:05] <chillywilly> wassat?
[10:05] <Burgundavia> Mez, we do, but we a resolution status for universe
[10:06] <ogra> Mez, unoffical backports bugs assigned to officail packages from main
[10:06] <Mez> lol
[10:06] <Mez> ogra: you can add one and point it to backports -unofficial in malone
[10:06] <Mez> https://launchpad.net/products/ubp-hoary-unofficial/
[10:07] <Burgundavia> Mez, look at this https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488
[10:07] <janimo> siretart you may want to update linda and lintian on REVU so they don't warn on standard version 3.6.2 :)
[10:07] <janimo> latest lintian in breezy is ok
[10:08] <siretart> janimo: I installed lates breezy lintian, but not linda
[10:08] <Mez> Burgundavia, whats that gor to do with backports
[10:08] <siretart> Version: 1.23.10ubuntu1
[10:08] <janimo> I dunno about linda either, I used only lintian myself
[10:09] <Burgundavia> Mez, it just shows what bugzilla would do. The resolution would be Backports
[10:09] <Burgundavia> Mez, that allows to search for backports bugs occasionallyt
[10:13] <janimo> siretart, why is commenting allowed only for one's own uploads?
[10:13] <janimo> in REVU
[10:15] <siretart> janimo: I wanted that to be discussed with other MOTU's, but no one has objected so far
[10:15] <janimo> ok I am trying to familiarize myself with revu
[10:15] <janimo> and assumed that part of review is sticking comments online :)
[10:16] <janimo> but I'll see what the real way to do it is
[10:16] <siretart> janimo: are you already a motu?
[10:16] <janimo> yes
[10:16] <siretart> argl. sorry, then your permission level is worong
[10:16] <janimo> a lazy one :)
[10:17] <Mez> does UVF apply to Universe?
[10:17] <janimo> MEz, yes but it's laxer
[10:17] <siretart> Mez: yes
[10:17] <janimo> still you have to ask permission
[10:17] <siretart> janimo: ok, you are reviewer now :)
[10:17] <janimo> it is usually asking elmo to sync
[10:18] <janimo> siretart thank you :)
[10:18] <Mez> I know sybncs are ok :D
[10:18] <janimo> Mez, well syncs are one way around UVF :)
[10:18] <Mez> lol :D
[10:18] <siretart> no
[10:18] <janimo> what else do you mean
[10:18] <janimo> Mez ^
[10:18] <siretart> syncs are only acceptable when you are sure they dont destabilize universe
[10:19] <Mez> I mean - like for example, guifications, seth's put it in revu
[10:19] <janimo> universe is destabiled as it is ;)
[10:19] <sistpoty> nice quote, siretart ;)
[10:19] <janimo> sure we don't sync everything
[10:19] <Mez> but I already made the package but didnt upload cause of UVF
[10:19] <janimo> one takes responsibility for the syncs one asks
[10:19] <janimo> Mez, is it a new package?
[10:20] <ogra> janimo, UVF applies to universe too... so every sync needs approval
[10:20] <Mez> janimo, no
[10:20] <janimo> ogra (23:17:47) janimo: still you have to ask permission
[10:20] <janimo> :)
[10:20] <ogra> :)
[10:20] <ogra> sorry, missed :)
[10:21] <Mez> I'm just on about when packages show up in REVU that arent new packages
[10:21] <janimo> so the rule in REVU is 3 MOTU's approval for upload right?
[10:21] <Mez> whether they should be uploaded or not
[10:21] <Mez> janimo, 3 for new, 1 for old
[10:22] <janimo> does it include original uploader or do we need honest and objective reviews ;) ?
[10:22] <Mez> doesnt include original uploader
[10:22] <ogra> janimo, 3 foreign ones for NEW or non MOTU packages, 1 foreing one for a fix
[10:23] <janimo> for a fix? and Mez said old.
[10:23] <sistpoty> old = in debian
[10:23] <janimo> Isn;t REVU only for NEW? I guess I misunderstood
[10:23] <ogra> we abuesd it for fixes from non MOTUs
[10:24] <Mez> ogra: I think that's fair though :D
[10:24] <janimo> ogra, that's reasonable then
[10:24] <Mez> (fixes from non MOTUs)
[10:24] <ogra> jup, not everyone has webspace
[10:24] <janimo> and it's better if it's in a central place
[10:24] <tseng> its better in one place anyway
[10:24] <janimo> doesn't get lost easily
[10:24] <ogra> yep
[10:25] <tseng> i have my stuff in at least 3 places
[10:25] <janimo> tseng, if you want xubuntu-desktop you'd better review it ;)
[10:25] <tseng> i find xfce more of a toy
[10:26] <janimo> aren't all computers toys ? :)
[10:26] <tseng> its nice to play with sometimes
[10:27] <janimo> dict: sometimes,   when one has less than 512M of RAM
[10:27] <tseng> poor deprived souls
[10:27] <janimo> 80% of computer users :)
[10:29] <janimo> How to get rid of bloat in software? Step 1) take RAM manufacturers out of business 2) wait 3)profit
[10:32] <Mez> siretart/sistpoty: ping
[10:33] <sistpoty> Mez: pong
[10:33] <siretart> Mez: pong pong
[10:33] <Mez> sistpoty, native debian patches in revu cause weird *.diffs
[10:33] <Mez> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~mez/archive/pool/breezy/guifications/
[10:33] <Mez> *.diff	0 Bytes
[10:33] <janimo> siretart, is there a deb-src archive at REVU so one can apt-get source?
[10:34] <siretart> Mez: I know. that why I dont recommend uploading native packages :/
[10:34] <siretart> Mez: I will think about this with revu2 ;)
[10:34] <sistpoty> janimo: not yet...
[10:34] <siretart> janimo: will come with revu2
[10:34] <janimo> ok :)
[10:35] <Mez> siretart: if you want a hand with revu, then I'm more than willing
[10:35] <Nafallo> hmm
[10:36] <Nafallo> that was upload number 10 :-P
[10:36] <Nafallo> I think
[10:36] <bddebian> Nafallo: Nice
[10:36] <siretart> Mez: thanks for your offer. sistpoty and I will meet tomorrow and work out a plan for development of revu2. then we will be able to share workload
[10:36] <Nafallo> sistpoty: camstream uploaded
[10:37] <sistpoty> Nafallo: cool :)
[10:38] <bddebian> How long does it generally take from upload, buildd, to reach the archives?
[10:38] <mbreit> bddebian: half an hour.. or even longer
[10:38] <Nafallo> bddebian: depends on when you upload. atleast 30minutes.
[10:39] <siretart> bddebian: that depends. if the package is already in archive, does not change build depends and dependencies, and got built before, I think about 2h
[10:39] <siretart> including mirroring to secondary mirrors, primary may be faster
[10:39] <bddebian> OK, thanks folks
[10:39] <siretart> bddebian: in any other case, most likley manual work is required
[10:52] <siretart> gn8 folks
[10:53] <siretart> cu tomorrow, sistpoty :)
[10:53] <bddebian> Later siretart
[10:53] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[10:55] <bddebian> Guess I should head home myself.  Later folks.
[10:55] <janimo> good night all
[11:33] <ajmitch> morning
[11:34] <Nafallo> morning ajmitch :-)
[11:35] <SloMoSnail> morning? hum ;)
[11:36] <ajmitch> SloMoSnail: yep, ~9:30AM here :)
[11:36] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: it's _always_ morning. you talk to little with jdub ;-)
[11:38] <ajmitch> well jdub is usually just 2 hours behind me :)
[11:42] <SloMoSnail> hmm... 23:44 here ;)
[11:43] <Nafallo> damn I hate this server sometimes. the admin haven't installed ntp-server as I asked him todo.
[11:56] <Nafallo> hmm
[11:57] <Nafallo> is it just me or is debians kismet _a lot_ worse than ours? :-)
[11:58] <ajmitch> dunno, I don't have wireless with a debian laptop :)
[11:59] <ogra> hmm, doesnt work for either of my wlan cards....
[11:59] <ogra> i guess debians wont either
[11:59] <ajmitch> it worked for me, when I was using sid
[12:00] <ogra> i doubt it would work for you with my HW in sid ;)
[12:01] <ajmitch> why is that?
[12:01] <ogra> because of the cards and amd64.... i guess...
[12:02] <ogra> one is a orinoco silver..... the kernel even doesnt recognize it as wireless....
[12:02] <ogra> (bu it works fine)