=== Tonio- [N=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [N=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:17] slomo? [12:17] do you want to upload something trivial for me? ;) [12:17] ok [12:17] http://yggdrasil.sytes.net/files/debdiff/blam_1.8.2-2ubuntu2.debdiff [12:18] oh [12:18] right [12:19] why the change? [12:19] + * Corrected the Planet Ubuntu URL (.com not .org) [12:19] brainfart [12:19] right [12:19] no, I dont use mom [12:19] i am a bad person and I apply changes from memory [12:20] at least you have a somewhat working memory ;) [12:21] done [12:22] thanks === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:24] tseng: do you want to rebuild something for me? ;) [01:25] like what === dooglus [N=dooglus@r2m7.chello.upc.cz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:25] tseng: gutenbrowser is the source package... it has unmet dependencies, but after a rebuild, it works fine [01:26] (well, not fine... it's a damn ugly qt program...) === dooglus [N=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] done [01:29] thanks! === doko_ [N=doko___@dsl-084-059-068-182.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] doko: may i move aspell-de-alt to your done-row in UniverseUnmetDeps? === Seveaz [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] ah, tseng: you could rebuild sqsh as well... [01:47] or I could go to dinner [01:47] again unmet deps [01:47] sorry [01:47] that's definitly a better idea ;) [01:53] gn8 everybody [01:53] gn8 slomo [01:53] err, well, i think i got to bed as well, so gn8 everybody === mbreit [N=mo@84.135.102.197] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Verlassend"] === chillywilly [N=danielb@CPE-65-26-216-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:12] geez, rosegarden is a PITA. [02:13] music software for linux? [02:13] yeah. It takes forever to run through the compile-test cycle === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:14] you're packaging it? === chillywilly should try using it ;) [02:15] I got some tunes to record [02:17] it's already packaged. I'm fixing it. [02:17] ok === cat [N=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:20] hey everyone [02:37] tseng, you want muine bug reports, or shall I just tell you? [02:47] Burgundavia: meh [02:48] Burgundavia: whatever floats your boat. [02:48] tseng, 1st one is easy: Error loading plug-in TrayIcon.dll: gdk-x11-2.0 [02:48] i have that [02:48] 2nd one is a seg fault with double-clicking on a song [02:48] uh [02:48] clicking play works fine [02:48] works for me [02:49] let me get you a backtrace [02:49] im not sure that will help [02:49] upstream is mia [02:49] ok [02:49] he comes and goes [02:50] nev mind then [02:50] hope it goes away on its own (it may be some other part of the system) [02:57] tseng, cool, delete pressing delete and enter also cause a segfault [02:57] ctrl f does for sure [02:57] ironically, that doesn't do anything here [02:58] I take that back [02:58] http://tseng.ath.cx/images/08-08-05_2051.jpg [02:58] sweet :) [02:58] you lucky man [02:59] check the mono branded ruppert doll [02:59] for the win [03:01] finally, ext2/3 for windows --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11506 [03:01] huh rock on [03:01] no need for clunky addon programs [03:03] tseng, notice with the segfault it takes the last command and then dies [03:06] yeah [03:07] tseng, it is cowbell [03:08] what is? [03:08] the muine crashes [03:08] just removed it and they went away [03:08] you.. removed cowbell [03:08] and muine doesnt crash? [03:08] yes [03:09] do you have some of that crackrock left? [03:09] I have no idea how that worked [03:09] let me test again [03:09] k. [03:09] might have just been planetary alignment [03:09] mmm, crack rock [03:09] yeah it sounds insanely odd [03:10] sorry, was smoking [03:10] with planetary alignment [03:10] cowbell doesn't cause it [03:10] one theory down :) [03:11] ill ask Mono Ruppert [03:11] afternoon [03:11] hi aj [03:11] salut ajmitch [03:11] this is maddening, now it won't crash [03:12] Burgundavia: that's the fun of development [03:12] ajmitch, I was wondering why X wouldn't start and I couldn't find gdm. [03:12] Burgundavia: ive had similar experiences, but all stemming from muine ruffle plugin === Burgundavia hangs his head in shame [03:12] which i traced down to something with sqlite === Burgundavia removed his gdm and didn't notice [03:14] ajmitch: http://tseng.ath.cx/images/08-08-05_2051.jpg < rupperts new home === mae_ [N=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] Ubuntu rocks my socks [03:16] tseng, I wonder if cairo is the issue. I have had synaptic randomly segfaulting as well [03:16] hm [03:16] start it in gdb and run it until it dies [03:17] thats completely useless [03:17] (attaching muine) [03:17] a coredump maybe [03:17] i meant synaptic [03:17] how do I do one of those? [03:17] stepping through it is an exercise in futility [03:17] any gstreamer app really [03:18] the timer is going constantly [03:18] tseng: nice [03:23] hi everyone [03:24] who the heck is ruppert? === bddebian [N=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] bddebian! [03:32] Heya chillywilly [03:34] what? [03:34] hello bddebian [03:34] hey bddebian === bmonty [I=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:39] Heya ajmitch, bmonty [03:40] whats going on? [03:40] Just put the kids to bed. You? === ajmitch is working.. [03:41] no kids....yet, but I figured I work on some more unmet deps [03:42] I thought ajmitch automated all that for us already? :-) [03:43] lol [03:44] bddebian: yeah right [03:44] I'm still waiting for that DSL upgrade [03:44] No? [03:44] :-) [03:45] it's a bit hard to download all the source on that list with a 256Kbps line :) [03:45] oh did you fix up that script? [03:46] tseng: nope, that's next on the list [03:46] once I get some spare time, and I care enough to use my box at home [03:46] Right after taking a nap :-) [03:47] more or less :) === ajmitch will start the downloads now [03:48] if I could get my chroot to build, I might be able to make some progress on a script [03:48] ajmitch: I've got a pretty fast connection if you want me to try something [03:49] same here [03:49] bddebian: mine is meant to be upgraded to 2Mbps today [03:49] I'll need to do a bit of hacking anyway :) [03:49] 2Mb..pfft.. ;-P [03:49] I keep getting the error "Couldn't download libiw27" when I try to use debootstrap to make a chroot [03:50] bddebian: that's fast for NZ [03:50] Need to get 515MB of source archives. [03:50] yay [03:51] I see someone else at the flat is abusing the bandwidth as usual [03:51] iptables time.. [03:52] lol....its good to be the person that knows how to control the firewall [03:52] Hmm, what to work on tonight [03:52] bddebian: start working on FTBFS issues :) [03:52] ajmitch: On what? [03:53] FTBFS.. [03:53] get the build list [03:53] From what list? [03:53] I gave the url yesterday [03:53] You did? === bddebian is on crack [03:54] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test [03:54] yep [03:54] plenty of failed packages in there [03:54] not sure if he's handing back all of universe every few days or not [03:55] Ack, is there a consolidated list anywhere there? [03:56] see Lists [03:56] or byDate [03:57] the breezy failed list looks too short to be true in the Lists dir [03:57] :-) [03:58] but I suspect it's not build failures there [04:04] Those lists pretty much make no sense :-) [04:05] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Test/byDate/20050804.html [04:05] for example, what is so hard to understand here? [04:05] there are successful builds, and there are failures [04:06] They're all ia64 and ppc failures.. ;-P [04:07] not all [04:07] take a closer look [04:07] I was kidding. :-) [04:08] so find something broken & fix it === ogra [N=ogra@p5089F540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] or if you want something different, look on revu & look over some packages, adding comments where you can === niran [N=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] ajmitch: I have 6MBit down roughly [04:13] :) [04:16] chillywilly: congratulations [04:16] there are like 7 i386 failures [04:16] all the rest are weird archs [04:16] ;P [04:16] And several are xfce [04:17] And debian-installer which I don't even get why that's there :-) [04:17] danielb@corporate2:/etc/bind$ uname -a [04:17] Linux corporate2 2.6.11-1-amd64-k8-smp #1 SMP Fri Feb 11 15:42:34 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux [04:17] :) [04:17] I have a couple dual amd64 machines at work :) [04:18] chillywilly: So get busy ;-) [04:19] I am busy setting them up === LaserJock [N=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-155.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] :) === chillywilly is going to install 3DM2 next [04:19] and the 3ware cli tools [04:20] then smartmontools [04:20] and tons of other crap [04:20] I'm bored. :'-( [04:21] chillywilly: so when are you going to provide breezy chroots for us to work in? === majic [N=majic@66.184.148.233] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:22] does anyone know if the Ruby package from Breezy was backported yet? [04:22] ajmitch: well, I don't own those machines [04:23] ajmitch: depends on what the load is like after they're in production ;) [04:23] somebody want to upload the source package for bluez-utils? it doesn't need any changes, just a rebuild [04:23] majic: should bu in the real backports archive [04:24] chillywilly: so you're just showing them off then, not providing them for use? :) [04:24] bmonty: we can't, and a rebuild doesn't fix it [04:24] ajmitch: penguin computing stopped making the Altus 3150 [04:24] you can still install the main package,bluez-utils [04:25] hmm, I just rebuilt the package and was able to install it, remove it, upgrade in my chroot [04:25] but another package is on the unmet deps list because of firmware [04:25] we still have support but they pulled that product off their site :( [04:25] bmonty: unmet deps has source packages, remember [04:25] yup, I built the package from source [04:25] and there can be cases where most of the binaries install properly, except on [04:25] which is the case for bluex-utils [04:26] k, I'll leave it alone then [04:26] bmonty: eg, try install bluez-bcm203x === LaserJock [N=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-136-155.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:26] you'll find that it fails, which is why it is on the list [04:26] bmonty: besides, it's in main [04:27] this is why a simple rebuild of everything doesn't work unless you test installation of *all* the binary packages [04:27] hmm, I missed that :(....so it should be in the main category on the unmet deps page then [04:27] yes [04:28] What's the latest with libgtkmm? [04:28] bmonty: and I think the fix that may get implemented is just disabling the bluez-bcm203x package [04:28] bddebian: ask dholbach if you see him === majic [N=majic@66.184.148.233] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:29] ajmitch: ok, thanks [04:29] Sheesh, maybe I'll just work on Hurd stuff [04:30] bddebian: if you want to [04:30] throwing out a random package name & expecting us to know 'the latest' doesn't often work [04:31] ?? [04:31] Ohh [04:32] Well I was trying to find something else to fix other than UnmetDeps [04:32] right [04:32] don't you like unmet deps any more? [04:32] I think we're going to have more X fun in the next couple of weeks, judging by the -44 changelog [04:32] It's repetative and takes too long just to test 1 single stinking package :-) [04:33] bddebian: who said MOTU work was fun? [04:33] ajmitch: I asked daniels if he needed any help but he ignored me :-) [04:33] it's a thankless task that just keeps on piling up [04:33] bddebian: trying to initiate someone new in the ways of X packaging when he has to have it done by feature freeze is futile [04:33] Well "fun" is a relative term. It almost seems pointless [04:33] thanks for being a MOTU ajmitch ;) [04:34] there? see? It's not thankless!?! [04:34] bddebian: almost as much as Hurd development ;) === bddebian whips out the trout [04:34] I've learned a lot working on the unmet deps [04:34] ajmitch: Well thats a labor of "love" ;-P [04:34] bddebian: so is MOTU work [04:34] at least I know where most of the ubuntu devel tools are on the web [04:34] people only mention it when things break [04:35] other times they just use it [04:35] thanks be to all MOTUs for without such dedicated people I would not have some of my favorite wares, I salute thee === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === StoneTable [N=stone@c-24-14-85-48.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:48] Why does \sh still have libicq2000 on UnmetDeps under Cxx transition? [04:48] whoops him [04:48] whoop too [04:49] because it was only uploaded in the last day or so? [04:49] ajmitch: No, the binary is still unmet but it builds fine [04:49] go ahead & fix it then [04:50] Fix what? I think it just needs a rebuild and I can't upload?? [04:52] I did say that it had been uploaded in the last 24 hours or so [04:52] you say it's still broken, so there must be something wrong [04:53] The ubuntu1 version doesn't appear to be the one in the archive!? [04:54] wtf [04:54] ftw [04:54] because there's a new binary name?!?? [04:55] it has to be manually approved [04:55] Oh, hehe [04:55] <-- dumbass [04:55] be nice to bddebian [04:56] chillywilly: I am being nice :P [04:56] he should be nice to himself ;) [04:56] chillywilly: Yeah, I at least TRY to help and he's mean.. ;-P [04:56] oh dear [04:56] bring on the violins :P [04:56] ajmitch is a nice guy [04:56] I love you ajmitch === ajmitch is not a nice guy :) [04:57] php has warped me [04:57] heh [05:00] they should use Python, twisted, and nevow [05:00] :) [05:00] ajmitch: show them the way ;) [05:00] of those, I'e used python [05:01] and rewriting a rather large app just for the sake of it, is incredibly unproductive [05:01] and REST of course [05:01] if a package needs fam and depends on libfam0 (the client lib) does it need to also depend on fam? === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] RESTification is worth it ;) [05:02] libfam0 depends on fam [05:02] ajmitch: those are currently my tools of choice [05:03] bmonty: then I'd say that just depending on libfam0 will do [05:03] since that will drag in fam anyway === ajmitch could be wrong [05:03] yeah, thats what I thought [05:03] you haven't been wrong so far tonight :) === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] bmonty: I spent enough years in training ;) [05:05] ajmitch: all web apps should follow REST principles as closely as possible and practical, imho :) [05:05] chillywilly: sure, in your opinion ;) [05:05] I think it is useful as well, but rewriting existing apps is fairly pointless [05:05] well, that depends [05:06] I know a certain website/app that should just plain die ;) [05:06] sure [05:06] a rewrite would be a major improvement [05:06] but it's slightly OT here [05:06] sorry... === ajmitch feels like going home early today [05:07] doh [05:08] Peter Jennings died [05:08] ok [05:09] Ahh WTF === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === chillywilly does a remote reboot and crosses his fingers ;) === ajmitch isn't silly enough to do a remote restart of his dsl modem today [05:11] since that'll probably involve unloading & reloading the usb kernel modules [05:12] this is just the big noisy 3U box in my office [05:12] if it doesn't come back up the only thing that will suck is I won't be able to do anymore setup [05:12] from here [05:13] which might be a good thing considering I don't paid by the hour anyway ;) [05:13] hehe [05:13] it'll probably live just to spite you [05:13] heh [05:13] it came back up [05:14] if only bddebian's hurd boxes would be remote-rebootable so easily [05:14] heh [05:14] bddebian: wire up a relay for the reset switches :) [05:15] They typically reboot OK, it's just that our ext2fs sucks so bad, the fscks fail on bootup :-) [05:15] makes sense [05:17] bddebian: write a new ext2fs [05:17] :) [05:18] bddebian: write a decent networked filesystem instead [05:18] ajmitch: smbfs? [05:19] hahah [05:19] cifs ;) [05:19] Sure [05:20] God I hate UniverseUnmetDeps [05:24] ajmitch: isn't there a network file system that mirrors stuff to your drive and syncs up automatically? [05:26] bmonty: probably, but we're talking about the Hurd, which is a little lacking in a decent network filesystem [05:26] ahh [05:26] bddebian's other spare time project is hacking the hurd [05:28] he must have lots of spare time [05:28] Not hardly [05:28] And even less skills and patience :-) [05:29] haha [05:30] That's not funny, it's depressing :-) [05:33] pfft [05:38] goodnight guys...I think I got one thing productive done, I posted a debdiff for doodle on the wiki [05:39] Gnight bmonty,thanks :-) [05:39] cya all later [05:41] I swear that 4 out of 5 things that I try to build FTBFS.. :'-( [05:42] ftbfs isn't bad [05:43] it's the ftbfs && g++4 && kde-based prog that really hurts [05:51] Well yes, that's true === chillywilly watches his RAID array initialize... [05:53] I think it's time for beddy bye [05:53] g'night dudes [05:53] Later chillywilly === SloMo_ [N=slomo@p5487CD8B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [N=ogra@p5089F540.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ [N=ajmitch@port164-232.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [N=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-116-237.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [N=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-116-237.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ajmitch [N=ajmitch@port163-240.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [N=seth@24-117-104-21.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [N=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cat [N=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu === svijaykr [N=svijaykr@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === svijaykr [N=svijaykr@inet-netcache2-o.oracle.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === Amaranth [N=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [N=ghe@hiscpdprx01.upsa.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [N=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [N=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [N=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [N=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvo [N=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mitsuhiko [N=mitsuhik@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [N=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:07] Siretart: ping [10:08] huhu Mez (pong) :) [10:08] can you purge simias from REVU [10:08] hi Mez, siretart === ajmitch is going to do a crazy thing & shut down this X server, reboot, and hope that everything comes back up ;) [10:09] huhu ajmitch [10:09] ajmitch: good luck [10:09] Mez: will do [10:09] since I'm still running the hoary kernel === mbreit [N=mo@p5487697A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:09] dont run the hoary kernel for breezy [10:09] install the breezy kernel first [10:09] hi all [10:09] Mez: and why not? [10:09] since I've been using it for the last several months with no problem [10:10] cause it doesnt work :P [10:10] Mez: i have been using hoary kernel for breezy, too... no problems... [10:10] udev may have had issues if I was to reboot without the 2.6.12 kernel [10:16] weird... [10:16] I've been using breezy kernel ever since Ive been usin breexy [10:18] so why would you then say that the hoary kernel doesn't work? === ajmitch_ [N=ajmitch@port163-240.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:27] cause it didnt work for me [10:27] If i try uysing the hoary kernel it wont boot === _koke [N=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] well [10:48] system still hasn't come up yet, still fscking ; === petgru [N=omega@ua-83-227-176-123.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [N=ajmitch@port163-240.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [N=doko___@dsl-084-059-081-077.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === petgru is now known as pete === hawk_78 [N=hawk@host58-59.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [I=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [N=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:31] finally, ext2/3 for windows --> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=11506 [11:31] "finally" ? [11:32] there is also an open source ext2 IFS driver... [11:32] JanC: which doesn't work [11:33] JanC: (tried it last Saturday) [11:33] it works [11:33] I have used it... ? [11:33] but it caused a number of windows kernel panics [11:33] randomly [11:33] but fo rthe most part it worked [11:33] Lathiat: it didn't for me.. it didn't recognise my USB disk [11:33] pretty cool ti has write support tho [11:33] Treenaks: you have to set it up [11:33] with the program [11:33] so youd plug yoru usb disk in and load the program etc [11:33] it wasnt overlyh great [11:33] Lathiat: yes, I did. but that program didn't find the drive [11:34] which driver have you folks used ? [11:34] tehre are 2 or 3 open source drivers :) [11:34] JanC: some 0.3 one [11:35] try this one: http://ext2fsd.sourceforge.net/#ext2fsd [11:35] JanC: I don't need it anymore :) [11:35] bookmark it then :) [11:37] i ahvent seen one that writes yet [11:37] so this one must be either good or the author is crazy [11:37] Lathiat: or BOTH [11:37] haha [11:38] can i resize ext3 online with ubuntus kernels? [11:38] write support is marked experimental :) [11:39] Lathiat: online? that's scary [11:40] heh [11:41] well [11:41] ah, ext2online only goes growing [11:42] this is why people love live CD's === Seveas [N=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:42] so you can do it offline in a sane way [11:42]