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| lexhider | have the konqueror menus been changed by a kubuntu patch? | 03:48 |
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| lexhider | ok, seems to be kubuntu-default-settings | 03:54 |
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| tvo | Riddell: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff | 01:14 |
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| Riddell | tvo: thanks :) | 02:05 |
| tvo | Riddell: is it going in? :p | 02:05 |
| [tvo] | i'm testing compiling qt with that patch now actually, to test it.. | 02:06 |
| Riddell | tvo: where did you get it from, why do you need it? | 02:08 |
| [tvo] | I need it to be able to use xrandr (or kde's gui for it) to rotate my screen | 02:09 |
| [tvo] | you can rotate my tft to portrait view | 02:09 |
| [tvo] | but kde doesn't adapt | 02:09 |
| [tvo] | ie. the bottom of the desktop is like on the middle of my screen in portrait view :) | 02:10 |
| [tvo] | and there's a invisible piece of desktop | 02:10 |
| tvo | got it from: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/ | 02:11 |
| tvo | "HOWTO: Gentoo GNU/Linux on Compaq TC1000" | 02:12 |
| tvo | btw [tvo] == me on KDE 3.4.9 | 02:13 |
| Riddell | tvo: the patch in qt-copy is quite different http://websvn.kde.org/branches/qt/3.3/qt-copy/patches/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff?rev=439328&view=log | 02:17 |
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| tvo | Riddell: hmm, didn't see that one.. | 02:20 |
| pef | hello | 02:21 |
| Riddell | "The old qt-copy patch #0032 was wrong" maybe yours is the old one | 02:21 |
| Riddell | tvo: could you test both | 02:21 |
| pef | can I use kdesu in the command entry in debian/menu ? | 02:21 |
| Riddell | pef: don't see why not (and I presume they don't have a better way to call it) | 02:21 |
| tvo | Riddell: yep, I'm building with this Gentoo patch now, in % it won't take much time to test the other patch too :) | 02:22 |
| pef | Riddell: ok, thanks :) | 02:22 |
| Riddell | pef: but not in .desktop files | 02:23 |
| pef | Riddell: mm, why ? | 02:24 |
| Riddell | use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true | 02:24 |
| pef | I will take a look to how ethereal does :) | 02:25 |
| Riddell | it uses both X-KDE-SubstituteUID and gksu, weird | 02:26 |
| pef | Riddell: and no *su in .desktop, should I correct it ? | 02:27 |
| Riddell | pef: what's in there at the momenty | 02:28 |
| Riddell | ? | 02:28 |
| pef | Riddell: /usr/bin/ethereal | 02:28 |
| Riddell | well it works so don't correct it | 02:28 |
| pef | Riddell: launching it from debian menu entry makes ethereal less usefull :/ (and gives error when trying to sniff) | 02:29 |
| Riddell | weird, etherreal has two .desktop files, both with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true but only 1 with gksu | 02:30 |
| pef | Riddell: gtksu and X-KDESubsituteUID are in conflicts, no ? it only needs X-KDE.. no ? | 02:32 |
| Riddell | for KDE yes | 02:33 |
| pef | Riddell: no way to be gnome/kde compatible ? | 02:33 |
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| Riddell | pef: doesn't seem to be any nice way to be. you may need two .desktop files one using X-KDE-SubstituteUID and OnlyShowIn=KDE and one using gksu and don't show in KDE | 02:43 |
| pef | ugly :/ | 02:44 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:45 |
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| author | moin | 03:37 |
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| tvo | Riddell: should I release the new kio-locate version before 11th? | 04:05 |
| tvo | or does it not matter | 04:05 |
| Riddell | tvo: what's the disadvantage in that? | 04:06 |
| tvo | Riddell: that I should start packaging really soon :) | 04:06 |
| tvo | maybe without all intended bugfixes | 04:07 |
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| tvo | Riddell: if it doesn't matter, it seems better to me to wait until I fixed the docs | 04:08 |
| Riddell | tvo: I need to ask mdz about moving that stuff to main, unless it's in main it doesn't really matter | 04:09 |
| tvo | Riddell: ok, thanks | 04:09 |
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| tvo | Riddell: what about the modifications to about:konqueror? | 04:09 |
| tvo | they'll need to be in konqueror's package | 04:10 |
| Riddell | kdebase updates are waiting on xmkmf existing again | 04:10 |
| Riddell | tvo: what modification did you make? got a screenshot? | 04:11 |
| tvo | Riddell: not yet, I'm more or less create a plan for what I'm going to change in which functions using which api etc. | 04:12 |
| tvo | I did not yet actually modify something.. | 04:12 |
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| Riddell | kubuntuforums.net gosh | 05:01 |
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| pef | Riddell: ping | 06:05 |
| Riddell | pef: hi | 06:08 |
| Riddell | tvo: any luck getting qt compiled? | 06:08 |
| pef | Riddell: hi, can you help me with a little packaging problem ? | 06:09 |
| Riddell | pef: I can try | 06:09 |
| venda | Riddell: http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb + src in same folder | 06:10 |
| pef | Riddell: I use cdbs to package a kde apps, and I can't get rid off config.{sub,guess} from my diff.gz (dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa) | 06:10 |
| pef | i have them in $CURDIR and $CURDIR/admin | 06:10 |
| Riddell | pef: that's something MOTU have been discussing, I think cdbs should do clever things to save and restore those files though | 06:12 |
| Riddell | pef: but you can just add rm -f config.sub config.guess to the rules file | 06:12 |
| pef | Riddell: I've tried this, using clean:: and cleanbuildir:: tragets, but I always have theses files in the .diff file :/ | 06:13 |
| pef | Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/n78SQR78.html am I wrong somewhere ? | 06:15 |
| Riddell | pef: have you tried it in a straight clean rule? clean:: not clean/kvpnc:: | 06:15 |
| allee | pef: the clean:: targe deletes the files properly but before the diff is done they are recreated. | 06:16 |
| pef | allee: that's funny :D | 06:16 |
| pef | ohh | 06:16 |
| allee | pef: Hack: remove them for the diff and unpack a fresh source. At the first build the diff is not poluted :) | 06:16 |
| pef | i've found the source of the problem | 06:17 |
| pef | I'm not packaging a fresh apps, but correcting an already packaged one | 06:17 |
| pef | so in the .orig.tar.gz file theses files exists | 06:17 |
| allee | there a bug in b.d.o and a patch. (this one is used in KDE 'private' cdbs) | 06:17 |
| allee | pef: orig.tar? Hah! unpack, remove garbage and rebuild orig.tar! | 06:18 |
| pef | allee: must I mention this to readme.debian ? | 06:18 |
| allee | I would add it to changelog. but orig.tar is not holy ;) But it never hurts to add a reminder for yourself to changelog | 06:19 |
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| allee | when I want to check if someone working on a ubuntu deb: check sid, check wnpp, check breezy, check REVU and then <what else>? | 06:21 |
| pef | itp ? | 06:22 |
| pef | check the homepage of the apps for home made packages ? | 06:22 |
| allee | pef: a home page, silly me. Too obvious. thx | 06:27 |
| pef | it's ok for the config.{config,guess} files , thank you guys ! | 06:28 |
| Riddell | pef: how did you fix it? | 06:28 |
| pef | Riddell: deleted from the orig.tar.gz file, and added an rm -f to clean:: on debian/rules | 06:28 |
| Riddell | hmm, deleteing those from .orig might not get past dholbach | 06:29 |
| allee | try a second build and check diff (me, nervous, was there a fix in the meantime) | 06:29 |
| pef | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh /mnt/stockage/dev/kubuntu/kvpnc/kvpnc-0.7.2/./admin/config.sub | 06:31 |
| pef | eheh | 06:31 |
| tvo | Riddell: yes, Qt+arts are done, now recompiling kdelibs+kdebase, ETA approx. 22:00 UTC+0200 | 06:31 |
| allee | mv admin/config.guess.cdbs-orig admin/config.guess in tar file (ditto for .sub) | 06:33 |
| pef | tomorrow, new packages for universe are still accepted ? | 06:33 |
| Riddell | pef: yes | 06:33 |
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| pef | allee: I'm not sure to fully understand | 06:36 |
| allee | oh, oh! Isn't your problem that there are config.*.cdbs-orig and config.* files in diff (or tar) ?? | 06:40 |
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| pef | allee: I have config.{guess,sub} files in the .orig.tar.gz file, and I have them in my diff.gz ;) | 06:42 |
| allee | no *.cdbs-orig? Argl, then forget what I told you *shame on me* | 06:43 |
| allee | pef: sorry | 06:43 |
| pef | in the diff.gz I have the differences between the config.{guess,sub} files from the orig.tar.gz file and auto-generated files during the compilation | 06:44 |
| pef | allee: no problem | 06:44 |
| pef | mm | 06:46 |
| pef | I don't have them now :? | 06:46 |
| pef | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335 | 06:52 |
| allee | pef: pkging kvpnc? Great! WISH-TODO-- | 06:53 |
| pef | allee: yep :) I'm just no sure about the Depends: and Suggest: for this package | 06:54 |
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| allee | Have not played with it enough to help you here. Btw. s/vpn/VPN/ in description and use ..'VPN (virtual private network)' when first mentioned? If freeswan is only linux 2.4 and ubuntu has only 2.6? | 07:01 |
| allee | pef: menu s|/usr/bin||g | 07:01 |
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| pef | allee: FreeSWan is no longer maintained :/ | 07:05 |
| pef | allee: should I leave this and add (unmaintained) or wipe the freeswan part ? | 07:07 |
| allee | desktop file: mv instead of dh_install + rm and rmdir applnk/Internet and applnk dirs | 07:07 |
| allee | freeswan in in breezy universe so mention (unmaintained) is the better choice. | 07:08 |
| allee | pef: why do you use debian native layout and not orig.tar + diff? After all it's at least no kubuntu-native tarball ;) | 07:10 |
| pef | allee: easier to submit/review using revu ? | 07:11 |
| allee | really? I like to look at diffs and (interdiffs) | 07:13 |
| allee | pef: of course do whatever fits 'you' best | 07:13 |
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| pef | :) | 07:14 |
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| pef | allee: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=338 I hope I haven't missed one of your precious advices :) | 07:31 |
| allee | pef: s/precious advices/nit picking/ | 07:40 |
| pef | that's how a package becomes really good | 07:41 |
| allee | pef: move unmaintained to freeswan (not linux 2.4 ;), s/vpn/VPN in short description too | 07:45 |
| allee | pef: changelog: mention why you did it. What you did is a matter of interdiff, but the why is the thing that get lost easily | 07:46 |
| pef | allee: why I made all theses changes ? | 07:47 |
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| allee | pef: no all: but, e.g, why did you replace '|' with , in Suggests, why you use optional instead of extra | 07:49 |
| pef | ok, so _every_ change | 07:49 |
| allee | no, no need to explain, e.g., why you added manpage :) but maybe related the docbook2x and manpage (manpage don't need docbook2x but the original docbook version needs it) | 07:51 |
| allee | pef: just thoughts from own experience. Not necessary applicaple to others | 07:55 |
| allee | pef did you do a grep --recursive -i copyright? | 07:57 |
| allee | desktop: No Categories enties, s/Comment/GenericName/ | 07:59 |
| allee | pef: X-KDESubstituteUID? kdesu is used. Puzzeled | 08:01 |
| pef | allee: I'm fixing this (forget during the action) | 08:01 |
| pef | allee: can I use echo "foo" >> file in debian/rules ? | 08:01 |
| allee | pef: no, not idempotent. Either clone+edit the desktop file or create a patch. | 08:02 |
| pef | ok, it's in my TODO list for tomorow morning :) I really have to go | 08:03 |
| allee | pef: Thx for your work! | 08:03 |
| pef | thanks for your help ! | 08:03 |
| pef | bye ! | 08:04 |
| allee | bye pef | 08:04 |
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| jpatrick | I would like to volunteer to help Kubuntu. :) | 09:35 |
| allee | Riddell: noone working on wlassistant already? Will it replace (ugly IMHO) kwifimanager? | 09:35 |
| jpatrick | there a .deb package for wlassistant | 09:37 |
| allee | The knoppix ones from http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/? Or are there others? Do you know how to get hands on deb sources? | 09:38 |
| allee | jpatrick hi! | 09:38 |
| jpatrick | It does not work here | 09:38 |
| jpatrick | allee hi! | 09:38 |
| jpatrick | it's says wlassistant: command not found | 09:39 |
| allee | Stan Vasilyev | 09:39 |
| allee | I've downloaded and extracted changelog and asked to | 09:39 |
| allee | Stan Vasilyev | 09:39 |
| allee | jpatrick: isn't it in /usr/bin/? | 09:41 |
| === allee prefers to see pkg source first ;) | ||
| jpatrick | it is | 09:42 |
| jpatrick | so where do I start? | 10:02 |
| allee | what are you interests? Pkging, doc, bug-fixing, ...? | 10:03 |
| jpatrick | I know a bit of C++, I think doc will do for now | 10:03 |
| jpatrick | maybe pkging if I knew how | 10:03 |
| allee | uniq_: ping? jpatrick in interested in doc | 10:05 |
| allee | jpatrick: pkging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide, check existing apps, ask on #ubuntu-motu, kde specific stuff here ... | 10:06 |
| jpatrick | ok | 10:07 |
| allee | jpatrick: welcome on board | 10:07 |
| jpatrick | thanks | 10:08 |
| jpatrick | So - I have thank a program and put it into a deb package? | 10:08 |
| allee | jpatrick: you need a tar ball tostart or easier an already existing deb pkg that you adapt for ubuntu | 10:13 |
| jpatrick | ok | 10:14 |
| jpatrick | I'm looking though the suggested packages | 10:15 |
| === Riddell recommends icecream is anyone is looking for something to package | ||
| Riddell | (it already has packaging) | 10:16 |
| jpatrick | what about kConfigure? | 10:18 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: what's that? | 10:19 |
| jpatrick | 'Kconfigure simplifies compiling and installing software by providing a graphical interface.' | 10:20 |
| Riddell | if you find it useful then yes :) | 10:20 |
| allee | icecream does not interest me enough. My kde packages are small enough for one cpu and a cup of tee ;) | 10:22 |
| Riddell | it becomes at lot more useful at akademy conferenes :) | 10:23 |
| Riddell | unsermake -p -j 50 is fun | 10:23 |
| allee | he, he! | 10:24 |
| jpatrick | I like icecream | 10:27 |
| tvo | Riddell: Qt Gentoo xrandr patch works fine here, now to test the simple patch.. | 10:43 |
| Riddell | tvo: well done :) | 10:44 |
| Riddell | anyone want to make packages of 3.5 alpha? | 10:45 |
| jpatrick | I'm considering making one of the suggested icon theme | 10:47 |
| jpatrick | -s* | 10:47 |
| jpatrick | start off small :) | 10:48 |
| Riddell | which one? | 10:49 |
| jpatrick | Amaranth Altheae | 10:50 |
| jpatrick | just to start off | 10:52 |
| tvo | Riddell: did you read my fwd mail from slocate author? | 10:53 |
| Riddell | tvo: yes, not sure what to make of it | 10:56 |
| tvo | Riddell: he has pretty good arguments against it | 10:56 |
| tvo | I understood other people had requested/offered other solution, like a ultra fast update algo which only considers changes and doesn't make a database from scratch each time | 10:57 |
| tvo | IMO that solution wouldn't solve a thing. It would just reduce time it takes to run updatedb | 10:58 |
| Riddell | yes, that's what it sounds like | 10:59 |
| tvo | he has like 2 points: | 11:04 |
| tvo | 1) it's a daemon, if it's killed db is inconsistent | 11:04 |
| tvo | 2) need to batch changes for performance reasons | 11:04 |
| tvo | I had already thought of first part of 1) and 2), just not of db inconsistency | 11:05 |
| tvo | could be solved by still creating a fresh db every day/week | 11:05 |
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| allee | Riddell: wlassistant is nice. Unfortunately there are no translations :( Rosetta? bug upstrean to think about kde-extragear? Forget it for breezy? | 11:07 |
| Riddell | allee: many other programmes have minimal translations | 11:09 |
| Riddell | tvo: for 2) you just make sure you update only max every 60 seconds or so | 11:10 |
| Riddell | for 1) get a better database :) | 11:10 |
| tvo | yeah it shouldn't die of course :) | 11:11 |
| allee | 'k Well, I can (have to) do at least a german trans otherwise my familie kicks me. I'll see wath the knoppix pkger answer and if there's some spare time othr weekend. | 11:11 |
| tvo | anyway, algorithmic it's a pretty tough job, certainly if it's to be done in plain C, like slocate | 11:11 |
| tvo | I think I could do it but I don't think I can guarantee a working product by 1st of september.. | 11:15 |
| Riddell | it also have nothing to do with the origional KubuntuFileSearch :) | 11:16 |
| Riddell | but if you think there's a good chance of having something working at some point and you'd find it fun then go ahead | 11:16 |
| Riddell | have you looked at inotify APIs and stuff? | 11:17 |
| tvo | Riddell: yeah, but just a quick glance. Maybe I should try to get an inotify enabled kernel and play a bit with inotify first | 11:18 |
| Riddell | that would be the way to start | 11:19 |
| Riddell | by the way I'm away next week | 11:19 |
| tvo | it is kinda like the sort of interesting project which I may continue in my spare time when uni starts | 11:19 |
| tvo | ah ok, good to know, next week starts at monday? :) | 11:20 |
| Riddell | yes, away from monday | 11:22 |
| jpatrick | anyone know what the file extension for pascal? | 11:47 |
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| jpatrick | sorry found it: .pp | 11:47 |
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