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[03:48] <lexhider> have the konqueror menus been changed by a kubuntu patch?
[03:54] <lexhider> ok, seems to be kubuntu-default-settings
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[01:14] <tvo> Riddell: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff
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[02:05] <Riddell> tvo: thanks :)
[02:05] <tvo> Riddell: is it going in? :p
[02:06] <[tvo] > i'm testing compiling qt with that patch now actually, to test it..
[02:08] <Riddell> tvo: where did you get it from, why do you need it?
[02:09] <[tvo] > I need it to be able to use xrandr (or kde's gui for it) to rotate my screen
[02:09] <[tvo] > you can rotate my tft to portrait view
[02:09] <[tvo] > but kde doesn't adapt
[02:10] <[tvo] > ie. the bottom of the desktop is like on the middle of my screen in portrait view :)
[02:10] <[tvo] > and there's a invisible piece of desktop
[02:11] <tvo> got it from: http://johanneswilm.isasecret.com/TC1000/
[02:12] <tvo> "HOWTO: Gentoo GNU/Linux on Compaq TC1000"
[02:13] <tvo> btw [tvo]  == me on KDE 3.4.9
[02:17] <Riddell> tvo: the patch in qt-copy is quite different http://websvn.kde.org/branches/qt/3.3/qt-copy/patches/0032-fix_rotated_randr.diff?rev=439328&view=log
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[02:20] <tvo> Riddell: hmm, didn't see that one..
[02:21] <pef> hello
[02:21] <Riddell> "The old qt-copy patch #0032 was wrong"  maybe yours is the old one
[02:21] <Riddell> tvo: could you test both
[02:21] <pef> can I use kdesu in the command entry in debian/menu ?
[02:21] <Riddell> pef: don't see why not (and I presume they don't have a better way to call it)
[02:22] <tvo> Riddell: yep, I'm building with this Gentoo patch now, in % it won't take much time to test the other patch too :)
[02:22] <pef> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[02:23] <Riddell> pef: but not in .desktop files
[02:24] <pef> Riddell: mm, why ?
[02:24] <Riddell> use X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true
[02:25] <pef> I will take a look to how ethereal does :)
[02:26] <Riddell> it uses both X-KDE-SubstituteUID and gksu, weird
[02:27] <pef> Riddell: and no *su  in .desktop, should I correct it ?
[02:28] <Riddell> pef: what's in there at the momenty
[02:28] <Riddell> ?
[02:28] <pef> Riddell: /usr/bin/ethereal
[02:28] <Riddell> well it works so don't correct it
[02:29] <pef> Riddell: launching it from debian menu entry makes ethereal less usefull :/ (and gives error when trying to sniff)
[02:30] <Riddell> weird, etherreal has two .desktop files, both with X-KDE-SubstituteUID=true but only 1 with gksu
[02:32] <pef> Riddell: gtksu and X-KDESubsituteUID are in conflicts, no ? it only needs X-KDE.. no ?
[02:33] <Riddell> for KDE yes
[02:33] <pef> Riddell: no way to be gnome/kde compatible ?
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[02:43] <Riddell> pef: doesn't seem to be any nice way to be.  you may need two .desktop files one using X-KDE-SubstituteUID and OnlyShowIn=KDE  and one using gksu and don't show in KDE
[02:44] <pef> ugly :/
[02:45] <Riddell> yes
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[03:37] <author> moin
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[04:05] <tvo> Riddell: should I release the new kio-locate version before 11th?
[04:05] <tvo> or does it not matter
[04:06] <Riddell> tvo: what's the disadvantage in that?
[04:06] <tvo> Riddell: that I should start packaging really soon :)
[04:07] <tvo> maybe without all intended bugfixes
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[04:08] <tvo> Riddell: if it doesn't matter, it seems better to me to wait until I fixed the docs
[04:09] <Riddell> tvo: I need to ask mdz about moving that stuff to main, unless it's in main it doesn't really matter
[04:09] <tvo> Riddell: ok, thanks
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[04:09] <tvo> Riddell: what about the modifications to about:konqueror?
[04:10] <tvo> they'll need to be in konqueror's package
[04:10] <Riddell> kdebase updates are waiting on xmkmf existing again
[04:11] <Riddell> tvo: what modification did you make?  got a screenshot?
[04:12] <tvo> Riddell: not yet, I'm more or less create a plan for what I'm going to change in which functions using which api etc.
[04:12] <tvo> I did not yet actually modify something..
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[05:01] <Riddell> kubuntuforums.net  gosh
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[06:05] <pef> Riddell: ping
[06:08] <Riddell> pef: hi
[06:08] <Riddell> tvo: any luck getting qt compiled?
[06:09] <pef> Riddell: hi, can you help me with a little packaging problem ?
[06:09] <Riddell> pef: I can try
[06:10] <venda> Riddell: http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb + src in same folder
[06:10] <pef> Riddell: I use cdbs to package a kde apps, and I can't get rid off config.{sub,guess} from my diff.gz (dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa)
[06:10] <pef> i have them in $CURDIR and $CURDIR/admin
[06:12] <Riddell> pef: that's something MOTU have been discussing, I think cdbs should do clever things to save and restore those files though
[06:12] <Riddell> pef: but you can just add rm -f config.sub config.guess to the rules file
[06:13] <pef> Riddell: I've tried this, using clean:: and cleanbuildir:: tragets, but I always have theses files in the .diff file :/
[06:15] <pef> Riddell: http://rafb.net/paste/results/n78SQR78.html am I wrong somewhere ?
[06:15] <Riddell> pef: have you tried it in a straight clean rule?  clean::  not clean/kvpnc::
[06:16] <allee> pef: the clean:: targe deletes the files properly but before the diff is done they are recreated.
[06:16] <pef> allee: that's funny :D
[06:16] <pef> ohh
[06:16] <allee> pef: Hack: remove them for the diff and unpack a fresh source.  At the first build the diff is not poluted :)
[06:17] <pef> i've found the source of the problem
[06:17] <pef> I'm not packaging a fresh apps, but correcting an already packaged one
[06:17] <pef> so in the .orig.tar.gz file theses files exists
[06:17] <allee> there a bug in b.d.o and a patch. (this one is used in KDE 'private' cdbs)
[06:18] <allee> pef: orig.tar?  Hah! unpack, remove garbage and rebuild orig.tar!
[06:18] <pef> allee: must I mention this to readme.debian ? 
[06:19] <allee> I would add it to changelog.  but orig.tar is not holy ;)  But it never hurts to add a reminder for yourself to changelog
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[06:21] <allee> when I want to check if someone working on a ubuntu deb:  check sid, check wnpp, check breezy, check REVU and then <what else>?
[06:22] <pef> itp ?
[06:22] <pef> check the homepage of the apps for home made packages ?
[06:27] <allee> pef: a home page, silly me. Too obvious.  thx
[06:28] <pef> it's ok for the config.{config,guess} files , thank you guys !
[06:28] <Riddell> pef: how did you fix it?
[06:28] <pef> Riddell: deleted from the orig.tar.gz file, and added an rm -f to clean:: on debian/rules
[06:29] <Riddell> hmm, deleteing those from .orig might not get past dholbach
[06:29] <allee> try a second build and check diff  (me, nervous, was there a fix in the meantime)
[06:31] <pef> configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh /mnt/stockage/dev/kubuntu/kvpnc/kvpnc-0.7.2/./admin/config.sub
[06:31] <pef> eheh
[06:31] <tvo> Riddell: yes, Qt+arts are done, now recompiling kdelibs+kdebase, ETA approx. 22:00 UTC+0200
[06:33] <allee> mv admin/config.guess.cdbs-orig  admin/config.guess in tar file (ditto for .sub)
[06:33] <pef> tomorrow, new packages for universe are still accepted ?
[06:33] <Riddell> pef: yes
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[06:36] <pef> allee: I'm not sure to fully understand
[06:40] <allee> oh, oh! Isn't your problem that there are config.*.cdbs-orig and config.* files in diff (or tar) ??
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[06:42] <pef> allee: I have config.{guess,sub} files in the .orig.tar.gz file, and I have them in my diff.gz ;)
[06:43] <allee> no *.cdbs-orig?  Argl, then forget what I told you  *shame on me*
[06:43] <allee> pef: sorry
[06:44] <pef> in the diff.gz I have the differences between the config.{guess,sub} files from the orig.tar.gz file and auto-generated files during the compilation
[06:44] <pef> allee: no problem
[06:46] <pef> mm
[06:46] <pef> I don't have them now :?
[06:52] <pef> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335
[06:53] <allee> pef: pkging kvpnc?  Great!  WISH-TODO--
[06:54] <pef> allee: yep :) I'm just no sure about the Depends: and Suggest: for this package
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[07:01] <allee> Have not played with it enough to help you here.  Btw.  s/vpn/VPN/ in description and use ..'VPN (virtual private network)' when first mentioned?  If freeswan is only linux 2.4 and ubuntu has only 2.6?
[07:01] <allee> pef: menu s|/usr/bin||g
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[07:05] <pef> allee: FreeSWan is no longer maintained :/
[07:07] <pef> allee: should I leave this and add (unmaintained) or wipe the freeswan part ?
[07:07] <allee> desktop file: mv  instead of dh_install + rm  and rmdir applnk/Internet and applnk dirs
[07:08] <allee> freeswan in in breezy universe so mention (unmaintained) is the better choice.
[07:10] <allee> pef: why do you use debian native layout and not orig.tar + diff?  After all it's at least no kubuntu-native tarball ;)
[07:11] <pef> allee: easier to submit/review using revu ?
[07:13] <allee> really? I like to look at diffs and (interdiffs)
[07:13] <allee> pef: of course do whatever fits 'you' best
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[07:14] <pef> :)
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[07:31] <pef> allee: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=338 I hope I haven't missed one of your precious advices :)
[07:40] <allee> pef: s/precious advices/nit picking/
[07:41] <pef> that's how a package becomes really good
[07:45] <allee> pef: move unmaintained to freeswan (not linux 2.4 ;), s/vpn/VPN in short description too
[07:46] <allee> pef: changelog: mention why you did it.  What you did is a matter of interdiff, but the why is the thing that get lost easily
[07:47] <pef> allee: why I made all theses changes ?
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[07:49] <allee> pef: no all:  but, e.g, why did you replace '|' with , in Suggests,  why you use optional instead of extra
[07:49] <pef> ok, so _every_ change
[07:51] <allee> no, no need to explain, e.g., why you added manpage :)  but maybe related the docbook2x and manpage (manpage don't need docbook2x but the original docbook version needs it)
[07:55] <allee> pef: just thoughts from own experience.  Not necessary applicaple to others
[07:57] <allee> pef did you do a grep --recursive -i copyright?
[07:59] <allee> desktop: No Categories enties, s/Comment/GenericName/
[08:01] <allee> pef: X-KDESubstituteUID?  kdesu is used.  Puzzeled
[08:01] <pef> allee: I'm fixing this (forget during the action)
[08:01] <pef> allee: can I use echo "foo" >> file in debian/rules ?
[08:02] <allee> pef: no, not idempotent.  Either clone+edit the desktop file or create a patch.
[08:03] <pef> ok, it's in my TODO list for tomorow morning :) I really have to go
[08:03] <allee> pef: Thx for your work!
[08:03] <pef> thanks for your help !
[08:04] <pef> bye !
[08:04] <allee> bye pef
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[09:35] <jpatrick> I would like to volunteer to help Kubuntu. :)
[09:35] <allee> Riddell: noone working on wlassistant already?   Will it replace (ugly IMHO) kwifimanager?
[09:37] <jpatrick> there a .deb package for wlassistant
[09:38] <allee> The knoppix ones from http://wlassistant.sourceforge.net/? Or are there others?  Do you know how to get hands on deb sources?
[09:38] <allee> jpatrick hi!
[09:38] <jpatrick> It does not work here
[09:38] <jpatrick> allee hi!
[09:39] <jpatrick> it's says wlassistant: command not found
[09:39] <allee> Stan Vasilyev 
[09:39] <allee> I've downloaded and extracted changelog and asked to 
[09:39] <allee> Stan Vasilyev 
[09:41] <allee> jpatrick: isn't it in /usr/bin/?  
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[09:42] <jpatrick> it is
[10:02] <jpatrick> so where do I start?
[10:03] <allee> what are you interests?  Pkging, doc, bug-fixing, ...?
[10:03] <jpatrick> I know a bit of C++, I think doc will do for now
[10:03] <jpatrick> maybe pkging if I knew how
[10:05] <allee> uniq_: ping? jpatrick in interested in doc
[10:06] <allee> jpatrick: pkging: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide, check existing apps, ask on #ubuntu-motu, kde specific stuff here ...
[10:07] <jpatrick> ok
[10:07] <allee> jpatrick: welcome on board
[10:08] <jpatrick> thanks
[10:08] <jpatrick> So - I have thank a program and put it into a deb package?
[10:13] <allee> jpatrick: you need a tar ball tostart or easier an already existing deb pkg that you adapt for ubuntu
[10:14] <jpatrick> ok
[10:15] <jpatrick> I'm looking though the suggested packages
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[10:16] <Riddell> (it already has packaging)
[10:18] <jpatrick> what about kConfigure?
[10:19] <Riddell> jpatrick: what's that?
[10:20] <jpatrick> 'Kconfigure simplifies compiling and installing software by providing a graphical interface.'
[10:20] <Riddell> if you find it useful then yes :)
[10:22] <allee> icecream does not interest me enough.  My kde packages are small enough for one cpu and a cup of tee ;)
[10:23] <Riddell> it becomes at lot more useful at akademy conferenes :)
[10:23] <Riddell> unsermake -p -j 50 is fun
[10:24] <allee> he, he!
[10:27] <jpatrick> I like icecream
[10:43] <tvo> Riddell: Qt Gentoo xrandr patch works fine here, now to test the simple patch..
[10:44] <Riddell> tvo: well done :)
[10:45] <Riddell> anyone want to make packages of 3.5 alpha?
[10:47] <jpatrick> I'm considering making one of the suggested icon theme
[10:47] <jpatrick> -s*
[10:48] <jpatrick> start off small :)
[10:49] <Riddell> which one?
[10:50] <jpatrick> Amaranth Altheae
[10:52] <jpatrick> just to start off
[10:53] <tvo> Riddell: did you read my fwd mail from slocate author?
[10:56] <Riddell> tvo: yes, not sure what to make of it
[10:56] <tvo> Riddell: he has pretty good arguments against it
[10:57] <tvo> I understood other people had requested/offered other solution, like a ultra fast update algo which only considers changes and doesn't make a database from scratch each time
[10:58] <tvo> IMO that solution wouldn't solve a thing. It would just reduce time it takes to run updatedb
[10:59] <Riddell> yes, that's what it sounds like
[11:04] <tvo> he has like 2 points:
[11:04] <tvo> 1) it's a daemon, if it's killed db is inconsistent
[11:04] <tvo> 2) need to batch changes for performance reasons
[11:05] <tvo> I had already thought of first part of 1) and 2), just not of db inconsistency
[11:05] <tvo> could be solved by still creating a fresh db every day/week
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[11:07] <allee> Riddell: wlassistant is nice.  Unfortunately there are no translations :(  Rosetta? bug upstrean to think about kde-extragear?  Forget it for breezy?
[11:09] <Riddell> allee: many other programmes have minimal translations
[11:10] <Riddell> tvo: for 2) you just make sure you update only max every 60 seconds or so
[11:10] <Riddell> for 1) get a better database :)
[11:11] <tvo> yeah it shouldn't die of course :)
[11:11] <allee> 'k Well, I can (have to) do at least a german trans otherwise my familie kicks me.  I'll see wath the knoppix pkger answer and if there's some spare time othr weekend.
[11:11] <tvo> anyway, algorithmic it's a pretty tough job, certainly if it's to be done in plain C, like slocate
[11:15] <tvo> I think I could do it but I don't think I can guarantee a working product by 1st of september..
[11:16] <Riddell> it also have nothing to do with the origional KubuntuFileSearch :)
[11:16] <Riddell> but if you think there's a good chance of having something working at some point and you'd find it fun then go ahead 
[11:17] <Riddell> have you looked at inotify APIs and stuff?
[11:18] <tvo> Riddell: yeah, but just a quick glance. Maybe I should try to get an inotify enabled kernel and play a bit with inotify first
[11:19] <Riddell> that would be the way to start
[11:19] <Riddell> by the way I'm away next week
[11:19] <tvo> it is kinda like the sort of interesting project which I may continue in my spare time when uni starts
[11:20] <tvo> ah ok, good to know, next week starts at monday? :)
[11:22] <Riddell> yes, away from monday
[11:47] <jpatrick> anyone know what the file extension for pascal?
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[11:47] <jpatrick> sorry found it: .pp
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