[12:06] <nikkia> bah!
[12:15] <_P_> hi
[12:16] <_P_> kaffeine still crash on close
[12:16] <_P_> i updated on 0.7 but nothing changed
[12:17] <macrobio> hola buenas noches
[12:21] <frank_> _P_: do you run the x86 version of ubuntu? 
[12:22] <_P_> yes
[12:22] <frank_> I can send you my version that I found in the forums
[12:23] <nikkia> its probably some library or codec kaffeine is using, tbh
[12:23] <frank_> It's a 0.6-1 that doesn't crash on exit
[12:24] <nikkia> frank, take a look at the dependancy list for kdemultimedia, and you'll realise it pretty much could be one of a million things :/
[12:25] <frank_> nikkia: I think this is a common problem and some guy in the forums built a version that does not have this problem
[12:26] <redguy> I can't connect to windows 98 and xp hosts using smb:/ ioslave, though I can connect to a samba host. Can anyone point me to some place where I could read something to help me?
[12:28] <nikkia> redguy, do you get prompted for a username/password?
[12:28] <redguy> Or a place where I could get an error message more descriptive than the message from Konqueror (something among the lines 'there has been an error with connecting to the server')
[12:28] <redguy> nikkia: no
[12:29] <nikkia> redguy, try specifying them in the url, see if that works
[12:30] <nikkia> its standard url format for username/pass, so smb://user:pass@host/...
[12:30] <redguy> nikkia: there is no username and password set for these shares. The user should be guest then right?
[12:31] <nikkia> redguy, maybe
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> i need help with Mythtv in kubuntu
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> Help !!! please
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> anybody?
[12:31] <_StiloMan_> :_(
[12:34] <redguy> nikkia: still no luck, where the actual error message from the ioslave would be?
[12:35] <nikkia> redguy: tossed into the bitbucket probably
[12:36] <nikkia> redguy, try running konqueror from a konsole, and then accessing the smb: url, you're more likely to get a 'message' that way
[12:36] <MikeStyle> hi, im trying to install moodin engine for kde splash screens...can anyone help? i dont know how to install it
[12:39] <MikeStyle> ...anyone..
[12:43] <nikkia> anyone want to look at a smallish web page for me and tell me which pair of buttons they think look best ?
[12:45] <_heulSuSE_> nikkia: Just lokking and criticise?
[12:45] <Imrahil> it is odd. just upped to 3.4.2, control center is gone from the kmenu. weird huh?
[12:45] <Phantom^^> yeah i will :)
[12:45] <nikkia> _heulSuSE_: yeah, i can't decide on which pair look better
[12:45] <_heulSuSE_> ok, why not.
[12:45] <nikkia> http://nikki.gutterslut.info/~nikki/b_test
[12:45] <Phantom^^> bottom
[12:46] <Phantom^^> the reflection on top right top of button is a bit harsh
[12:46] <_heulSuSE_> both are the same?
[12:46] <Phantom^^> nope
[12:46] <nikkia> Phantom^^: yeah, thats my feeling too, but at the same time, its a bit better defined at the edge of the reflection
[12:46] <nikkia> (on the top image)
[12:46] <Phantom^^> nah the bottom ones are more comfy on the eyes
[12:47] <narg> Is there a way to make grub boot windows as default? (Setting up my sisters computer with kubuntu as a backup OS)
[12:47] <nikkia> Phantom^^: *nod*
[12:47] <_heulSuSE_> Phantom^^:  You are right. The bottom ones.
[12:47] <Phantom^^> :)
[12:48] <nikkia> soft-light it is then :)
[12:49] <Phantom^^> hmm does anyone know the default konqueror download directory i downloaded a file and can't find it anywhere
[12:50] <nikkia> meanwhile, inkscape is continuing to baffle me
[12:50] <Phantom^^> what is inkscape ?
[12:50] <nikkia> most of my objects appear semi-transparent, whereas some are 100% opaque
[12:50] <nikkia> and the alpha is set to 255 in all of them *shrug*
[12:50] <Phantom^^> ahh 
[12:51] <nikkia> Phantom^^: svg editor
[12:51] <Phantom^^> like photoshop ?
[12:51] <nikkia> Phantom^^: no, more like illustrator, but not quite
[12:51] <Phantom^^> ahh ok
[12:52] <narg> Phantom: Desktop? :p
[12:52] <Phantom^^> hmm thats so odd
[12:52] <Phantom^^> i guess that doom three installer i downloaded has dissapeared then :(
[12:52] <hater2win> anybody know how to change the color of the font on the desktop?
[12:53] <nikkia> Phantom^^: http://nikki.gutterslut.info/~nikki/inkscape.png
[12:54] <nikkia> wtf?
[12:54] <Phantom^^> whats up ?
[12:54] <nikkia> Phantom^^: my apache just stopped working, or something
[12:55] <narg> Hrm, anyone know roughly how big the default kubuntu install is?
[12:55] <Phantom^^> yeah i had trouble getting that file i t did nothing for like 15 secs
[12:55] <nikkia> Phantom^^: try :  http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/inkscape.png
[12:55] <nikkia> it seems to be a weird DNS thing
[12:55] <narg> The first link worked for me btw :p
[12:56] <Phantom^^> odd yeah that looks cool
[12:56] <Phantom^^> Hmmm how do i remove packages 
[12:56] <nikkia> Phantom^^: see how only the 'stop' decal is 100% opaque tho ?
[12:56] <Phantom^^> apt-get remove ?
[12:56] <narg> kynaptic or apt-get remove
[12:56] <Phantom^^> sweet
[12:56] <Phantom^^> yeah
[12:56] <narg> or synaptic if you have it
[12:56] <Phantom^^> and the grey ones are medium
[12:57] <Phantom^^> hmm
[12:57] <nikkia> Phantom^^: they all have a fill value of 0,0,0,255 tho
[12:57] <Phantom^^> very strange
[12:57] <nikkia> ah, the DNS is back now
[12:58] <nikkia> Phantom^^: there is one noticable difference i see
[12:58] <Phantom^^> which is ?
[12:58] <nikkia> the other objects are 'paths' according to inkscape, whereas the one that is dark is a rectangle primative
[12:59] <Phantom^^> can you change it ?
[12:59] <Phantom^^> and see what happens
[12:59] <nikkia> no
[12:59] <nikkia> i can convert the rect to a path, but not the other way around
[12:59] <nikkia> it stayed dark *shrug*
[01:00] <Phantom^^> what are you drawing them for ?
[01:00] <nikkia> doh, found it
[01:00] <nikkia> master opacity was set to 75.5% somehow
[01:00] <Phantom^^> yay
[01:01] <nikkia> i'd have thought it was obvious from the shapes what they were for :P
[01:01] <Phantom^^> hehe
[01:01] <Phantom^^> but where are you gonna put them :D
[01:01] <nikkia> on  transport bar
[01:02] <nikkia> those objects get converted to a bitmap, and imported into gimp, where they become the legends on the buttons like the ones i asked for your comments on
[01:02] <Phantom^^> ah ok
[01:03] <nikkia> those buttons then get made into 3 state buttons, and put on a recessed brushed aluminum panel such as: http://nikki.gutterslut.info/~nikki/transport.1.png
[01:03] <nikkia> bah, bad DNS again
[01:04] <nikkia> http://narch.1.vg/~nikki/transport.1.png :)
[01:04] <Phantom^^> are you making a video player ?
[01:04] <nikkia> no, but close
[01:05] <Phantom^^> music player ?
[01:05] <nikkia> closer :P
[01:05] <Phantom^^> hehe
[01:05] <Phantom^^> a picture slideshow browser ?
[01:06] <nikkia> nah, you were closest with 'music player', but you need to bear in mind there is a red circle decal too :P
[01:06] <redguy> nikkia: it turned out to be a problem with my smb.conf file. my bad, sorry to bug you. and thanks :-)
[01:06] <nikkia> redguy: np, glad you found it
[01:08] <Phantom^^> I have come to the conclusion that linux is infintley better than silly microsoft software
[01:09] <web250> phantom^^ good observation
[01:09] <web250> its better now than its been in the 5 years on and off that ive been using it...its finally good enough on the desktop that i ditched windows
[01:11] <hater2win> ok, i liive in chicago, but for some odd reason, the only way to set the time to central time is to select chicago, or some foreign country. and now, because of that. i have to have CHICAGO in my taskbar all the time, even though i hate chicago and just want the time there. how can i make it just show the time not chicago?
[01:11] <hater2win> err
[01:11] <hater2win> i DONT live in chicago
[01:11] <hater2win> i live in texas
[01:11] <nikkia> hater2win: you can do it manually, which is the 'proper' way
[01:11] <Phantom^^> ok guys i just downloaded the doom 3 .run file from id's ftp server and am trying to install doom3 i was wondering how i actually run a run file ?
[01:12] <hater2win> nikkia: how?
[01:12] <web250> right click-->show timezone-->local timezone
[01:12] <web250> try that
[01:12] <nikkia> hater2win: sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT /etc/localtime
[01:12] <nikkia> then put the clock back to local time
[01:12] <hater2win> does't work, according to local time zone, its 11:12 at night here in texas, which we all know it isnt
[01:13] <web250> should be 613 in texas right?
[01:13] <nikkia> hater2win: thats because your /etc/localtime isn't there, or is the wrong file
[01:13] <nikkia> hater2win: the system timezone is defined by that file, the original files for all timezones are in /usr/share/zoneinfo, so you copy the one relevant (in your case, CST6CDT although it'll need to be updated soon, great idea george!)
[01:14] <hater2win> yeah it should be 6:13, and its saying that CST6CDT doesnt exist
[01:14] <nikkia> 11:12 at night is UTC/GMT time, which is the default if you haven't setup a localtime file
[01:14] <hater2win> oh i see
[01:15] <nikkia> well, 11:15 at night now :P
[01:15] <nikkia> hater2win: it certainly should be there, my system has a /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6CDT file
[01:16] <hater2win> mine has it too, wtf
[01:17] <hater2win> got it
[01:17] <hater2win> thanks for the help :)
[01:17] <nikkia> now if you do a 'date' at the command line, it should display the correct local time, and thus the kde clock should too
[01:17] <hater2win> well ill be damned
[01:17] <hater2win> so, when daylight savings time switched over, what do i need to do?
[01:18] <hater2win> switches*
[01:20] <nikkia> by switches do you mean 'is modified by king george's silly ideas' or 'switches over normally' ?
[01:20] <nikkia> normally, you'd do nothing at all, its all automatic
[01:20] <nikkia> but, since the US DST dates are changing this year, you will need to have updated zoneinfo files before then, and you will need to remember to copy the updated CST6CDT file into /etc/localtime again
[01:20] <nikkia> see, unlike windows, unix does timezones a little more smartly
[01:20] <nikkia> because the system is *always* working with the time in UTC, and only *displays* it to you in local time, you never get that mess you get on windows where it wants to keep resetting the clock :)
[01:21] <nikkia> the zoneinfo files contain the dates, times and offsets of DST start/end events, so the updates to fix the silly DST change this year, will be trivial, but you do need to remember to copy the file again once [k] ubuntu has updated versions
[01:21] <lluka> hey has anyone messed with project lookingglass?
[01:22] <hater2win> nice nice, so it has a reference date as to when it would be switching over, and on that date i need to copy it over again?
[01:22] <Phantom^^> anyone how to i use a .run file ?
[01:22] <nikkia> Phantom^^: run it :)
[01:22] <nikkia> Phantom^^: either ./file.run  or sh file.run
[01:22] <lluka> phantom use sh
[01:24] <luminerd> Phantom^^, sh filename.run
[01:24] <luminerd> Phantom^^, or ./filename.run
[01:24] <luminerd> Phantom^^, they are generally files meant to run very automatically and "user-friendly" however I've experienced many-a-bug with them
[01:25] <Phantom^^> thanks for the info
[01:25] <luminerd> Phantom^^, np
[01:26] <lluka>  Command: # echo "JAVA_HOME=/usr/java/jdk1.5.0" >> ~/.bash_profile
[01:26] <lluka>  Command: # echo "PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH" >> ~/.bash_profile 
[01:26] <lluka> how do i do that?
[01:26] <lluka> >_<
[01:26] <hater2win> nikkia: when daylight savings time comes, i should do                    sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/CST6DST /etc/localtime
[01:26] <lluka> like the syntax
[01:26] <lluka> i dont understand it
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: no
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: the update to the clock will handle automatically
[01:27] <hater2win> oh ok
[01:27] <lluka> can someone help me with that syntax?
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: but, the problem is, bush has ordered DST to change at a different time this year
[01:27] <lluka> >_<
[01:27] <nikkia> hater2win: so all those files in /usr/share/zoneinfo are going to have to be updated sometime soon
[01:27] <hater2win> ah i see ok
[01:28] <nikkia> and once they're updated to reflect the new dates, you will need to do the copy again
[01:28] <hater2win> stupid george ass bush
[01:28] <nikkia> hater2win: if you think thats bad, just wait until your VCR is an hour wrong for 2 weeks
[01:28] <nikkia> hater2win: and there's NO way you're going to change ITS DST date rules
[01:29] <hater2win> lol, well thank god i dont have a VCR anymore =p
[01:29] <nikkia> worst of all, i think those files are provided by libc
[01:30] <nikkia> and upgrading libc on a system is a major PITA just to fix a little tiny problem like dates on DST
[01:30] <_heulSuSE_> Good Night!
[01:31] <hater2win> dang man, well that sucks, why did he order it change on a diff day?
[01:31] <nikkia> hater, 'to save oil'
[01:31] <hater2win> lol...
[01:31] <redguy> lol
[01:36] <hater2win> nikkia: is there way to change the color of the font on my desktop? I tried on the fonts setting in kconfig, but nothing. And even then, I tell it to have a regular font on it, and the font it displays is fat, looks bold to me.
[01:36] <bbailey> I thought the DST changes were for an additional four weeks, beginning in 2007.
[01:37] <nikkia> bbailey: hmm, i thought they were 2 weeks, this year, but i could be wrong
[01:37] <nikkia> either way, they're going to need updated zoneinfo files, and you'd be surprised how many apps bring their own :/
[01:37] <bbailey> If we're talking about the same changes that were wrapped up as part of the energy bill, it's 4 in 2007. If it's something else, I dunno.
[01:38] <bbailey> Yeah, still a pain in the ass either way. But we get two years to properly moan about it at least.
[01:38] <bbailey> I shall enjoy the blogs.
[01:38] <nikkia> hater2win: i don't know where its set, its got to be set somewhere tho
[01:39] <hater2win> yeah
[01:39] <Phantom^^> hey whats the shortcut to open the konsole from the desktop
[01:39] <nikkia> ahh
[01:39] <nikkia> found it
[01:39] <hater2win> where?
[01:40] <nikkia> hater2win: go to 'Background', then click 'Advanced Options' and there is the text colour for desktop icons in there
[01:41] <hater2win> nikkia: omfg, you are teh rock. that fixed both of my problems
[01:41] <nikkia> not the most logical of places for it to be, i suppose
[01:41] <hater2win> definately not...
[01:50] <TestMAD> anyone here by chance know an easy way for me to get more range from my wifi card?
[01:52] <hater2win> TestMAD: good old fasioned foil
[01:52] <TestMAD> explain
[01:52] <hater2win> wait nvm, that would be range on your wifi router
[01:52] <hater2win> my bad
[01:53] <TestMAD> im just wondering cus i have pcmia card for a lap that is like a few years old..and it gets awesome range..but my wificard in my pc only covers a few rooms
[01:54] <Otrayo> anyone know why the localhost is not brought up if eth0 isn't?
[01:54] <TestMAD> the pcmia card is strong enuff to pickup 6 other AP in my area..
[01:54] <Otrayo> loalhost as in lo
[01:56] <hater2win> if im downloading azureus for linux, do i need java installed?
[01:56] <hater2win> does that even make any sense?
[01:56] <Otrayo> hater2win: yes
[01:57] <Otrayo> for both
[01:57] <hater2win> i download java for Linux i586?
[01:58] <Otrayo> ya, that should be fine
[01:58] <Otrayo> if you're using a debian based distro such as ubuntu
[01:58] <Otrayo> then rather use apt-get
[01:58] <hater2win> oh ok
[01:58] <hater2win> so i sudo apt-get install java?
[01:59] <Otrayo> ya, that should work
[01:59] <hater2win> or sun0java?
[01:59] <hater2win> sun-java
[01:59] <Narg_> I installed, and X defaulted to some funky 600x800 or something like that. The video card and moniter runs 1024x786 on windows. When I try to go in Kcontrol display, kde crashes. This normal?
[01:59] <Otrayo> java alone should be fine
[02:00] <Otrayo> what gfx card you using Narg_?
[02:01] <Narg_> intel inegrated crap :p I use i800 on my other box.
[02:01] <Narg_> Same here too
[02:01] <Narg_> i800 driver*
[02:02] <Narg_> They are both dell dimension 3000s.
[02:02] <Narg_> actually this one is 2400, I stand corrected.
[02:02] <Otrayo> mmm...probably drivers
[02:03] <Otrayo> though it should work, i mean if its intel integrated
[02:03] <Narg_> yea... its pretty standard stuff.
[02:03] <Narg_> You'd think i800 would work.
[02:03] <Otrayo> ya
[02:03] <Narg_> gah, I gtg. I'll be back later.
[02:03] <Otrayo> ubuntu picks up my radeon 9200 mobility no prob
[02:05] <hater2win> hmm
[02:05] <hater2win> sudo apt-get isntall java isn't working
[02:05] <Otrayo> it should
[02:05] <Otrayo> oh well...just download and install from source then
[02:06] <Otrayo> but to let you know, when i did it for some wierd reason it never added java to my path
[02:06] <Otrayo> but azureus did pick it up fine anyway
[02:06] <hater2win> lol
[02:06] <hater2win> thanks for the confidence booster =)
[02:06] <hater2win> kidding, lol
[02:06] <Otrayo> hehe
[02:06] <hater2win> so, any ideas how i would go about playing AVIs on this biatch
[02:08] <Otrayo> should work out without any configuration
[02:08] <Otrayo> are you using kaffeine?
[02:09] <hater2win> yeah
[02:09] <hater2win> doesnt work for some reason
[02:09] <hater2win> lol, does it matter that im trying to load a file from a mounted NTFS drive?
[02:10] <Epod69_> hey, when using the nvidia driver X hangs when booting up showing only a black screen..has anyone else encountered this problem?
[02:11] <Otrayo> hater2win: for some reason i found that kaffeine doesn't open "non-local" files just by clicking on them
[02:11] <hater2win> so you have to open through kaff?
[02:11] <Otrayo> ya
[02:11] <hater2win> i see i see
[02:11] <hater2win> yeah it works
[02:11] <Otrayo> well that happened with cds at least
[02:12] <Otrayo> :)
[02:12] <hater2win> ty ty
[02:12] <hater2win> you've been very helpful to me grasshoppa
[02:13] <Otrayo> np :)
[02:13] <Otrayo> grasshoppa?
[02:13] <hater2win> lol
[02:13] <hater2win> well
[02:13] <hater2win> i just figured out
[02:14] <hater2win> its not opening non-locals even through "open a file
[02:14] <hater2win> but it opens up fine with "open a dir"
[02:14] <Otrayo> ya...kaffeine is wierd
[02:14] <Otrayo> im gonna switch to standard gmplayer
[02:16] <hater2win> ahg
[02:16] <hater2win> ah*
[02:17] <hater2win> omfg 24, is such an awesome show
[02:18] <Otrayo> hmmm...never taken the time to watch it
[02:18] <hater2win> you should
[02:18] <hater2win> its crazy
[02:19] <Otrayo> csi type show or what?
[02:19] <hater2win> no
[02:19] <hater2win> this SMASHES csi
[02:19] <Otrayo> whats it about?
[02:19] <hater2win> this is like
[02:19] <hater2win> a 24 hour movie
[02:19] <hater2win> its like a really long movie
[02:20] <hater2win> its about a special ops agent who takes care of business n shit
[02:20] <hater2win> but it happens in real time
[02:20] <Otrayo> mmm...sounds interesting
[02:20] <Otrayo> will download it
[02:20] <hater2win> so an actual season of 24 is 24 actual hours of video
[02:20] <Otrayo> how many season are there?
[02:20] <Otrayo> seasons*
[02:20] <hater2win> 4 so far, 5th starts in January
[02:20] <Otrayo> ok
[02:25] <Otrayo> omg...x-window-system-dev is a 48mb download
[02:25] <hater2win> lol
[02:25] <Otrayo> still takes 15 mins though :/
[02:26] <hater2win> then download it on 56k :-p
[02:26] <Otrayo> hater2win: i found some nice documentation on setting up multimedia on *buntu
[02:26] <hater2win> lets see it
[02:26] <supernix>   that is why it is good to have 3mbps cable
[02:26] <Otrayo> supernix: omf, you got that?
[02:27] <supernix> Yup :D
[02:27] <Otrayo> www.oldskoolphreak.com/tfiles/hack/ubuntu.txt <-- looks good!
[02:27] <Otrayo> grrr...
[02:27] <supernix> I don't know what I ever did without it before
[02:27] <Otrayo> how much you pay for it supernix?
[02:27] <supernix> roughly around $50 a month
[02:27] <hater2win> not bad at all
[02:27] <Otrayo> any cap?
[02:28] <supernix> There is a 712kbps cap
[02:28] <Otrayo> mmm...
[02:28] <hater2win> not bad...
[02:28] <Otrayo> here in south africa im paying about the equivalent of about $100 for 512/256 dsl with a 3gig pm cap
[02:28] <hater2win> wow
[02:29] <supernix> that is bad that they don't have better communications lines than that 
[02:29] <Otrayo> thats south africa for you...
[02:29] <Otrayo> we only have one national operator so they can charge as much as they want
[02:29] <supernix> I heard that you have to be rich to have communications lines at all in africa and other places like that 
[02:29] <Otrayo> though a second one has been licensed
[02:29] <Otrayo> supernix: you heard right
[02:29] <hater2win> lol
[02:30] <hater2win> Otrayo: how are you rich?
[02:30] <Otrayo> haterwin: not *rich*, rather well off
[02:30] <Otrayo> hater2win even
[02:30] <hater2win> ah, mind if i ask what you do in af?
[02:31] <Otrayo> im a student, its my parents who work
[02:31] <Otrayo> what do you do hater2win?
[02:31] <hater2win> oh, im a student also
[02:32] <Otrayo> what you studying?
[02:32] <hater2win> computer science engineerings
[02:32] <hater2win> engineering even
[02:32] <Otrayo> mmm...ok
[02:33] <hater2win> Otrayo: by the way, you dont know hwo much you scared me when you put haterwin on accident. the text didnt show up red and i thought something was wrong. When there is even a HINT that something is wrong in linux, i panic... LOL
[02:34] <Otrayo> lol
[02:34] <Otrayo> it is my goal in life to find something wrong in linux
[02:34] <hater2win> lol
[02:34] <Otrayo> or with linux if you like
[02:35] <Otrayo> i feel like a missionary though
[02:35] <hater2win> lol
[02:35] <Otrayo> im trying to get everyone i know to convert
[02:35] <hater2win> heh
[02:35] <Otrayo> like yesterday, my friend called my asking me how to convert music to mp3...
[02:35] <hater2win> its difficult, especially in the days where a windows machine is so easy to configure and set up
[02:36] <Otrayo> and i said you need specific software to do it, which doesnt come default with windows...but it does with linux
[02:36] <Otrayo> hater2win: i beg to differ
[02:37] <Otrayo> hater2win: i dont think linux is any harder, its just that when you've been using windows all your life, trying to learn to use a different o/s with a completely different architecture isnt easy
[02:37] <hater2win> Otrayo: the problem is, it DOES take some setting up. you have to enter commands and things like that intimidate people because computers intimidate people
[02:37] <Otrayo> if some were brought up using linux they would have no idea how to use windows
[02:38] <hater2win> true
[02:38] <Otrayo> hater2win: there are gui interfaces for almost every system setting that would need to be changed
[02:38] <Otrayo> the only time when you need to use the command line is when you want to do something very specific
[02:38] <Otrayo> something which "that other operating system" cant even do
[02:38] <hater2win> this is tru
[02:39] <Otrayo> anyway...enough ranting from me
[02:39] <hater2win> heh
[02:39] <hater2win> i agree/disagree with you
[02:39] <Otrayo> hehe
[02:39] <hater2win> i agree that its easy to set up, because i only started using linux a few days ago and im already getting used to things kind of. the routine is becoming farmiliar to me.
[02:40] <hater2win> but like i said. some things are just too intimidating for the average user
[02:40] <hater2win> it takes at least a LITTLE dedication
[02:40] <Otrayo> i agree, but doesnt "that other operating system" take some dedication as well
[02:41] <hater2win> alot of people will think "why the hell should i do this, when i could just hit install and its done with"
[02:41] <Otrayo> i mean you cant just put a complete n00b behind a windows desktop and tell them to install java for instance
[02:41] <hater2win> this is true
[02:41] <Otrayo> and with most of the newer distros you can also just hit install
[02:42] <hater2win> yeah
[02:42] <hater2win> and i agree
[02:42] <hater2win> its like a filter
[02:42] <hater2win> everybody has a breaking point
[02:43] <hater2win> except for absolute linux nerds (who, even some still have windows on their boxes)
[02:43] <hater2win> and those breaking points can vary
[02:43] <hater2win> for alot of people
[02:43] <Otrayo> ya i agree
[02:43] <hater2win> their breaking point IS having to learn wtf a partition is
[02:43] <hater2win> for some, it will be having to CREATE a partition
[02:44] <hater2win> for others, actually knowing how to install
[02:44] <hater2win> and it is like a giant funnel
[02:44] <hater2win> and at the very tip
[02:44] <Otrayo> true true, but i must argue, the same applies for a windows installation, you have to set partitions, etc
[02:45] <hater2win> well thats the thing, people can BUY a computer with windows on it and never have to reinstall in their life. they take it to best buy and pay 150 dollars to do something they could have done themselves
[02:45] <Otrayo> lol...true
[02:45] <Otrayo> but...
[02:45] <hater2win> some people have no clue what the hell a partition is, much less that it involves an installation
[02:45] <Otrayo> here in south africa i've seen companies selling build up computers
[02:46] <Otrayo> and offering a free installation of suse
[02:47] <Otrayo> and i'll admit, i do have a hard drive with windows on it, but i only boot into it every few months and only when i have to do an assignment which requires access or excel or vb, when i have no choice but to use microsoft software
[02:47] <Otrayo> if given the choice i would much rather use mysql or OO.o
[02:47] <hater2win> understandably so
[02:47] <hater2win> but its the same reason why firefox still has a 12% market share
[02:47] <hater2win> because some people just arent willing to understand
[02:48] <hater2win> and frankly, just dont give a damn
[02:48] <Otrayo> omg...12% is huge
[02:48] <hater2win> well
[02:48] <Otrayo> microsoft is shitting itself
[02:48] <hater2win> i know 12% is huge
[02:48] <hater2win> i know its huge
[02:48] <hater2win> its BIG TIME
[02:48] <hater2win> thats like... DAMN
[02:48] <hater2win> but
[02:48] <hater2win> 12% is still ONLY 12%
[02:48] <hater2win> its huge when you consider how dominant IE is
[02:48] <Otrayo> well, take a browser which comes installed by default with the operating system that runs on 90% of desktops
[02:49] <Otrayo> and -4t 5t 4- against a browser developed by a relatively small non profit company
[02:49] <Otrayo> gawd
[02:49] <Otrayo> and put it up against...
[02:49] <Otrayo> *
[02:49] <hater2win> i understand
[02:49] <hater2win> i know what you are saying
[02:49] <hater2win> and i agree
[02:50] <hater2win> all im saying is, more people "dont give a damn" than "do give a damn"
[02:50] <hater2win> and until that changes
[02:50] <hater2win> we will continue to see firefox and linux only "gaining steam" and not "running away with the market"
[02:51] <Otrayo> and the more people that "dont give a damn" will be the ones whos machines will be exploited and will eventually get fed up with windows and will make the switch just to get away from the bug-ridden, insecure windows
[02:51] <Otrayo> and those who "do give a damn" will say, "hey, this open source stuff is pretty cool"
[02:51] <Otrayo> and just switch anyway
[02:52] <hater2win> well yeah
[02:52] <Otrayo> hehe...
[02:52] <Otrayo> so the open source community benefits anyway
[02:53] <hater2win> and at the point when they get fed up
[02:53] <hater2win> is when they start giving a damn
[02:53] <hater2win> so yeah, once more people are converted from "dont give a damn" to "do give a damn" (by whatever means), then we will continue to see firefox and linux only "gaining steam" and not "running away with the market"
[02:53] <hater2win> yeah
[02:53] <hater2win> so in the end
[02:53] <hater2win> we are both right i guess
[02:53] <Otrayo> lol, i guess so
[02:54] <Otrayo> coffee time
[02:54] <Otrayo> brb
[02:54] <hater2win> heh
[02:54] <hater2win> kk
[02:57] <epod69_> hey, when commeting out glx, X starts up just fine...
[02:57] <epod69_> what can cause glx to not work correctly
[03:02] <Otrayo> wrong drivers?
[03:02] <Otrayo> or bad ones?
[03:03] <epod69_> sorry, im back
[03:04] <epod69_> the drivers are the latest
[03:04] <_hater2win> lol
[03:04] <_hater2win> netsplit
[03:04] <_hater2win> that was crazy
[03:04] <Otrayo> hehe
[03:04] <epod69_> im using nvidia drivers right now, are glx seperate from nvidia ?
[03:04] <Otrayo> ya i think so
[03:05] <epod69_> hmm..i thought glx came and installed with the nvidia installer
[03:05] <Otrayo> well glx are seperate from the ati driver which is flgrx or something
[03:05] <Otrayo> so im assuming its the same for nvidia
[03:05] <Otrayo> there's lots of information on linux and nvidia graphics cards online
[03:05] <Otrayo> tru google
[03:05] <Otrayo> *try
[03:06] <epod69_> the readme in nvidia says to add load glx and change nv to nvidia
[03:06] <Otrayo> so try it
[03:06] <epod69_> yea, I know, i have only been researching for a few hours now
[03:06] <epod69_> the glx does load right
[03:06] <epod69_> x hangs when it says "initializing extension glx"
[03:07] <Otrayo> hmmm...well im not too clued up on setting up gfx cards....it took me forever to figure out how to get the proprietory ati drivers and they sucked
[03:07] <Otrayo> but nvidia is supposed to be easier than ati
[03:08] <Otrayo> does it just hang? or do you get any error messages?
[03:08] <epod69_> ah, i heard ati sucks for linux so i didnt get ati, theres a lot of petetions being signed to let ati know they want good drivers
[03:08] <epod69_> it hangs, just shows a black screen, the last line in the xorg log is "initializing extension glx"
[03:09] <_hater2win> alright
[03:09] <_hater2win> ill brb
[03:09] <_hater2win> gonna go pick up my copy of madden 06
[03:09] <epod69_> send me an iso =P
[03:09] <Otrayo> ya, me too :P
[03:09] <epod69_> lol
[03:09] <_hater2win> will do ;)
[03:10] <_hater2win> back in about 30
[03:10] <epod69_> k, ill be waiting, oh, which system is it for ?\
[03:10] <_hater2win> PS2
[03:10] <epod69_> damn..need xbox, lol
[03:10] <_hater2win> lol
[03:11] <_hater2win> you could probably find it at the bay at which pirate convene
[03:11] <_hater2win> you know
[03:11] <epod69_> i havent tried it yet but i heard with the right mod chip you can put linux on the xbox
[03:11] <_hater2win> that ORGanization at the PIRATE BAY
[03:11] <_hater2win> please dont ban me...
[03:11] <_hater2win> lol
[03:11] <_hater2win> aight brb
[03:13] <epod69_> the nvidia driver from ubuntu says nvidia-glx, so i think they are suppose to be together in one package...
[03:14] <Otrayo> mmm...i wouldnt know
[03:14] <epod69_> i couldnt get nvidia from ubuntu to work once I switched to the 686 kernel..., whenever i try to install it now, it needs to install the 386 kernel as well
[03:14] <Otrayo> brb
[03:15] <epod69_> k
[03:21] <kinus> mmm...
[03:21] <kinus> *buntu themes....can you get them via apt-get?
[03:26] <PowerMAC> Hi
[03:27] <kinus> lo 
[03:27] <PowerMAC> Can you help me with my LiveCD problems?
[03:28] <kinus> i can try
[03:29] <PowerMAC> I downloaded the LiveCD recently and when I burn the ISO to a CD, my computer doesn't boot form the CD
[03:30] <kinus> did you configure your machine to boot from cd?
[03:30] <PowerMAC> ya i have a dell and i press F12 to load up a Boot Menu and I select CD
[03:31] <kinus> and?
[03:31] <kinus> what does it say?
[03:32] <epod69_> make sure cd is set to boot before the harddrive
[03:32] <PowerMAC> nothign it just boots straight to Windows
[03:32] <EasterSunshine> powermac: do you have multiple cdrom drivers? i think it needs to be in your primary one
[03:33] <kinus> PowerMAC: it seems like it's not finding a boot record on the cd then, which means that it will then boot the from the next boot device instead
[03:33] <kinus> does it say anything about searching for boot record?
[03:33] <PowerMAC> nope
[03:33] <PowerMAC> it just shows a black screen for a bit
[03:33] <PowerMAC> then boots windows
[03:34] <redguy> does the cdrom led blink for a while even?
[03:34] <kinus> ya, that will determine whether its even reading the cd or not
[03:34] <PowerMAC> i'm not even sure it does that
[03:34] <PowerMAC> I'm gonna download it again
[03:35] <kinus> just use the md5
[03:35] <kinus> and maybe burn at a slower speed
[03:35] <PowerMAC> now I just burn the ISO to a CD right?
[03:35] <PowerMAC> using Nero
[03:35] <epod69_> dont just put the iso file on the cd as a datafile, burn it to a cd as a cd image
[03:36] <PowerMAC> ya that's what i mean
[03:36] <epod69_> ya, i think you did it right the first time then
[03:36] <redguy> if it does the problem is most likely to be a corrupt download, if it doesn't the problem would be your Dell not booting from cd. Try with Windows install cd perhaps?
[03:36] <epod69_> are you sure you have the cd or removable media checked in the boot order before the hard drive
[03:36] <PowerMAC> Alright just checking cause in Nero it says something about a Bootable CD
[03:37] <PowerMAC> ya My Windows Install CD worsk fine
[03:37] <PowerMAC> *works
[03:37] <epod69_> you shouldnt have to worry abou that, just burn the iso as a cd image to the cd
[03:37] <epod69_> what is the size of the image file ?
[03:37] <kinus> file -> burn iso/cd image
[03:37] <redguy> then it's most likely a corrupt download, try md5 to make sure
[03:37] <PowerMAC> like 600MB
[03:38] <PowerMAC> kk I'm gonna redownload it
[03:38] <epod69_> make sure it matches what it says the download size is
[03:38] <PowerMAC> kk
[03:38] <epod69_> if the sizes match there is not need to waste bandwith downloadin it again
[03:39] <epod69_> if you cant get nero to work, you could try downloading ' alcohol 120% ' for burning cd images, i think its easier, i think you can download a full trial version
[03:39] <redguy> epod69_: if matching size would determine if a download is corrupt or not, why would people use md5 sums?
[03:40] <Tri-bune> anybody can help me
[03:40] <epod69_> just to make sure i guess...its very rare that if download sizes are correct that the file would be corrupt
[03:41] <Tri-bune> i can't use my floppy drive and my partition space
[03:41] <PowerMAC> well i"m redownloaded it 
[03:41] <redguy> PowerMAC: kinus had a usefull tip as well, try re-burning the cd
[03:41] <PowerMAC> I did that almost 5 times
[03:42] <epod69_> Tri-bune, can you boot from your floppy, and what do you mean by your partition space
[03:42] <Tri-bune> received meesage  mount ://dev/fdo/ is not a valid block
[03:42] <PowerMAC> thanks for helping man
[03:42] <epod69_> PowerMAC, try the md5 and then download alcohol 120%
[03:42] <Tri-bune> i'm using dual boot
[03:42] <kinus> Tri-bune: mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /media/floppy
[03:42] <Tri-bune> i can't mount my winxp space
[03:42] <epod69_> POWERMAC*
[03:42] <epod69_> sorry
[03:42] <epod69_> wrong person
[03:43] <epod69_> tri-bune, what does fstab say ?
[03:43] <kinus> mmm...anyone manage to get splashy installed?
[03:43] <Tri-bune> epod69.. i'm a new user. what does fstab mean?
[03:44] <redguy> Tri-bune: fdo? should be fd0 i think...
[03:44] <epod69_> read the /etc/fstab file
[03:44] <PowerMAC> Okay epod
[03:44] <Tri-bune> sorry miss type fd0
[03:44] <kinus> Tri-Bune: for winxp (ntfs) partition
[03:44] <Tri-bune> mount -t auto /dev/fd0 /media/floppy <-- after doing this in terminal.. ope kde browser.. storage media.... click floppy... still can't open
[03:45] <kinus> sudo mkdir /media/windows
[03:45] <Tri-bune> winxp i did set install under ntfs system
[03:45] <coolblue> how do i put icons to right side of panel help plz?
[03:45] <kinus> mount -t ntfs /dev/hda1 /media/windows (replace hda1 with partition)
[03:45] <epod69_> Tri-bune, linux doesnt play friendly with ntfs partitions
[03:46] <kinus> coolblue: do you want to move them or create them?
[03:46] <epod69_> if you install windows and want to share with linux you should partition with fat32
[03:46] <coolblue>  how do i CREATE icons to LEFT side of panel help plz?                    when i add, they move to right side?
[03:46] <Tri-bune> :~$ sudo mkdir/media/windows
[03:46] <Tri-bune> Password:
[03:46] <Tri-bune> sudo: mkdir/media/windows: command not found
[03:46] <kinus> coolblue: right-click the icon and click move
[03:46] <epod69_> coolblue, they should have a handle on the side so you can drag them
[03:47] <kinus> without the :
[03:47] <epod69_> mkdir *space
[03:47] <PowerMAC> I got a question
[03:47] <coolblue> hey thanks that was so easy!
[03:47] <kinus> coolblue: no problem
[03:47] <coolblue> thanks kinus & epod:)
[03:47] <epod69_> heh, no prob
[03:47] <epod69_> coolblue*
[03:47] <PowerMAC> does KDE have a drag and drop interface like Mac OSX?
[03:47] <epod69_> oh, whichever one you chose..lol
[03:47] <Tri-bune> still error
[03:48] <kinus> mmm...again, anyone manage to get splashy to work?
[03:48] <PowerMAC> where everything you can drag and drop
[03:48] <coolblue> anyone knows how to hide files?
[03:48] <epod69_> Tri-bune, what is the error?
[03:48] <epod69_> coolblue, name them with a dot in front of them
[03:49] <coolblue> so simple!!!!
[03:49] <Tri-bune> if you install windows and want to share with linux you should partition with fat32 <- do i need to re install my window and reinstall my kubuntu?
[03:49] <PowerMAC> or
[03:49] <epod69_> Tri-bune, you would have to reinstall windows
[03:49] <coolblue> anyone using mozilla here?
[03:49] <kinus> Tri-bune, the linux kernel is very limited when it comes to ntfs and you should only ever remount a ntfs partition as ro
[03:49] <PowerMAC> You could use PartitionMagic and create a new Parition for Ubunuto
[03:50] <PowerMAC> *Kubuntu
[03:50] <kinus> coolblue: most do i think
[03:50] <kinus> mmm...anyone know what ubuntu means?
[03:50] <epod69_> coolblue, firefox
[03:50] <Tri-bune> error information : mount :/ can't find /dev/hda1/ in etc/fstab or etc/mtab
[03:50] <redguy> huh? nobody's using konqueror?
[03:50] <epod69_> if you count that as mozilla
[03:50] <coolblue> im talking abt mozilla suite??
[03:50] <kinus> redguy: ya i do
[03:51] <coolblue> is there an ext in mozilla to turn images on/off?
[03:51] <Tri-bune> hmm... that mean i have to reinstall my windows... should i reintall my kubuntu eopd69?
[03:52] <PowerMAC> Tribune
[03:52] <epod69_> you could try adding a line to fstab
[03:52] <PowerMAC> Get Partitionmagic
[03:52] <kinus> PowerMAC: no way
[03:52] <PowerMAC> and create a new partition using Fat32 
[03:52] <PowerMAC> then install Kubuntu on that partition
[03:52] <Tri-bune> partition magic using at window xp?
[03:52] <PowerMAC> ya
[03:52] <kinus> PowerMAC: using tools to edit your partitions in playing on the wild side
[03:52] <Tri-bune> would it be effect my files?
[03:53] <Tri-bune> ohhh
[03:53] <PowerMAC> I've done it before
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i get it power mac
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i will try 
[03:53] <coolblue> hey one question- anyone tried Suse before?
[03:53] <epod69_> Tri-bune, if you repartition your hardrive you lose all your files
[03:53] <PowerMAC> no you wont
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i did use suse before
[03:53] <coolblue> why didnt u like it tribune?
[03:53] <Tri-bune> before i use kubuntu
[03:53] <epod69_> i havent edited fstab in a long time but you would add something like /dev/hda1	/mnt/windows for the first two parts of a new line in fstab
[03:53] <Tri-bune> i always facing problem with CUPS
[03:53] <coolblue> hmm..u mean printing?
[03:54] <Tri-bune> when using suse
[03:54] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:54] <Tri-bune> printing
[03:54] <coolblue> thats all.....
[03:54] <Tri-bune> and................... it not free anymore.. hahahaha
[03:54] <Tri-bune> kubuntu free open source
[03:54] <epod69_> coolblue, adding a printer is pretty easy with the kde control center
[03:54] <coolblue> it is:)
[03:54] <kinus> Tri-bune: you get OpenSuSE now
[03:54] <coolblue> heard of opensuse?
[03:54] <epod69_> i really havent had a problem with cups, but every printer is different
[03:54] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:54] <Tri-bune> i do
[03:55] <coolblue> suse is beautiful........
[03:55] <Tri-bune> weill i did try using suse in my office pc
[03:55] <coolblue> lets u troubleshoot grub problems the GUI way........
[03:55] <coolblue> i like that very much.......
[03:55] <coolblue> plus 5 CDs with tons of free stuff & goodies......
[03:55] <Tri-bune> for me.... kubuntu very simple.. and i have to start learning kubuntu since my daughter like it
[03:56] <coolblue> i see.......
[03:56] <kinus> when wanting to view files on other hosts on the lan kubuntu always tries to copy the files to the /tmp dir first, anyway to get past this?
[03:56] <coolblue> but suse hardly requires any post-install configuration...
[03:56] <Tri-bune> i did down load lots of Live CD for her.. and she like kubuntu & knoppix 3.8
[03:57] <coolblue> its good for TOTAL newbies like me..but I like kubuntu too:)
[03:57] <coolblue> i mean suse......
[03:57] <Tri-bune> can anybody help me
[03:57] <Tri-bune> i did install lime wire
[03:57] <coolblue> she didnt like suse?
[03:57] <Tri-bune> and follow the instruction
[03:57] <coolblue> yes what hep u need?
[03:57] <coolblue> :)
[03:57] <Tri-bune> she did like it.... but.. he love to use XMMS only :))
[03:57] <epod69_> Tri-bune, whats really cool is using blackbox, although a lot more boring, but apps load up in a snap of a finger then
[03:58] <coolblue> xmms is there in suse:)
[03:58] <Tri-bune> ii did install limewire follow as guide line given until to ubuntu desktop 
[03:58] <coolblue> anyways lets stop this suse talk:)
[03:58] <Tri-bune> how can i edit limewire in k destop
[03:58] <epod69_> Tri-bune, i use limewire too ^^
[03:58] <Tri-bune> wow!
[03:58] <Tri-bune> help me how to use it
[03:58] <Tri-bune> in window i can use it
[03:59] <Tri-bune> but in kubuntu i can't see where it is
[03:59] <coolblue> what does limewire do??????
[03:59] <Tri-bune> download songs :))
[03:59] <epod69_> tri-bune, you downloaded it and installed it?
[03:59] <coolblue> like kazzaa?
[03:59] <redguy> coolblue: it's a gnutella client i think
[03:59] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:59] <Tri-bune> yup
[03:59] <coolblue> whats gnutella? sorry im a n00b:)
[03:59] <epod69_> if so, just right click on my computer and click create new, then link to application
[04:00] <Tri-bune> but where does it application folder?
[04:00] <Tri-bune> that the point 
[04:00] <Tri-bune> if window easy to browse in program file
[04:00] <epod69_> under application tab in the command box type in limewire then click ok
[04:00] <Tri-bune> in kubuntu? is it in usr?
[04:01] <Tri-bune> brb - trying
[04:01] <epod69_> then you have your icon!
[04:01] <redguy> coolblue: a p2p network, like ed2k (edonkey, emule) or fasttrack (kazaa)
[04:02] <epod69_> it wont be any cool limewire icon though...you have to find one online or find a tool that will convert the limewire.ico into a .png
[04:02] <coolblue> p2p means point to point??
[04:02] <epod69_> lol
[04:02] <epod69_> peer to peer
[04:02] <epod69_> for sharing file
[04:02] <coolblue> i see..........lol
[04:02] <epod69_> files*
[04:03] <coolblue> this channel is far more active & nice then ubuntu forums:)
[04:03] <coolblue> i enjoy being here:)
[04:03] <epod69_> yea, you have easy questions though i still havent got mine answerd
[04:04] <coolblue> whats ur question ??
[04:04] <epod69_> if your starting out in linux it is really nice on irc, everyone can help you out
[04:04] <epod69_> cant get my glx extensions to work with my nvidia driver...
[04:04] <coolblue> not every channel is that nice.....
[04:05] <coolblue> in one beginner linux channel, a guy called me f***** hopeless!
[04:05] <epod69_> yea, some of the crowded ones really arent, if someone accually listens to you ##linux can be helpful sometimes
[04:05] <epod69_> yea, well some people are idiots
[04:05] <epod69_> not you i mean
[04:05] <coolblue> lol ha ha.....
[04:06] <coolblue> i know:)
[04:06] <epod69_> =P
[04:06] <coolblue> anyone knows how i can prevent someone from messing with my linux system through live cd?
[04:06] <epod69_> not have the cd bootable
[04:07] <epod69_> and have the computer locked up with laser traps around it =D
[04:07] <coolblue> i didnt get it......u mean in bios?
[04:07] <epod69_> yea
[04:07] <coolblue> but anyone can go inside bios and change it??????/
[04:08] <epod69_> go to bios and have the hard drive be the first to bootup, it will load the computer up faster too
[04:08] <epod69_> not if you make a password protection on the bios
[04:08] <coolblue> will i be prompted for a password at bootup?
[04:09] <epod69_> no
[04:09] <coolblue> i see.....
[04:09] <epod69_> theres also a password for that though
[04:10] <coolblue> ????
[04:10] <coolblue> bootup password????
[04:10] <Tri-bune> wow
[04:10] <Tri-bune> i did browse my limewire 
[04:10] <epod69_> yea, basically, but you just want to put a password from someone entering the cmos/bios
[04:10] <Tri-bune> which file should i link to my kubuntu destop
[04:11] <Tri-bune> funny there is limewire.exe <-- this for window
[04:11] <epod69_> yea, lol
[04:11] <PowerMAC> So what's all of ya'lls favorite icecream?
[04:11] <epod69_> did you get your limewire desktop icon Tri-bune ?
[04:11] <epod69_> not the icon, but the application
[04:11] <Tri-bune> wait
[04:11] <Tri-bune> ico .. there is ico files
[04:12] <epod69_> yea, but they dont work with linux
[04:12] <m0zone> hey guys what wireless card do you guys recomend for no bs works out of the box with ubuntu?
[04:13] <epod69_> when you click on that big square on the general tab, the icon, you can pick an icon from the computer if you then go to other icons, then browse, it tells you what format then the icon has to be
[04:14] <TestMAD> even if it doesnt work out the box..couldnt you still use the ndis wrapper?
[04:14] <epod69_> m0zone, you should google for good linux wireless cards, i would say stay away from some of the d-links cause they need madwifi drivers which are still buggy and dont work that great
[04:14] <epod69_> its always better to use native drivers
[04:14] <m0zone> i have a couple of linksys cards and they sorta junk in linux
[04:14] <TestMAD> linksys is crap..but has good linux support
[04:15] <epod69_> i heard linksys is better quality, at least from d-link that is
[04:15] <coolblue> what laptop would be best for kubuntu?
[04:15] <m0zone> yea but no linux support for there newer cards    cards didnt cost me anything so not to worryed if they have to b tossed or traded off
[04:15] <m0zone> i am haveing good luck with a 500$ laptop atm
[04:16] <m0zone> hp zed4200  everything works but hotkeys
[04:20] <coolblue36> atm?
[04:27] <coolblue36> hey i have one prob.......when i open anyhting with ark it says..."the utility unrar is not in ur PATH"
[04:27] <epod69_> wheres my copy!
[04:27] <crimsun> coolblue36: install unrar-nonfree from multiverse
[04:28] <epod69_> _hater2win, did you play it yet
[04:28] <epod69_> ?
[04:28] <_hater2win> epod69_: not yet, sliding it in as we speak
[04:28] <epod69_> heh
[04:28] <_hater2win> man that sounded exceedingly nasty
[04:29] <coolblue36> but it worked in other distros.......
[04:29] <epod69_> crimsun, why cant ubuntu just install the needed packages when installed and say like use at your own risk or something...
[04:29] <crimsun> epod69_: rather large security risk there
[04:29] <epod69_> brb, im trying a uninstall an reinstall of nvidia..
[04:29] <epod69_> hope it works
[04:30] <epod69_> crimsun, yea, unrar is such a huge hole..lol
[04:30] <epod69_> brb
[04:31] <web250> can anyone explain why because of my new USB mouse, X reboots randomly because of /dev/vcs7 and /dev/vcsa7 being removed?
[05:02] <kinus> anyone around?
[05:07] <nocloud> why is it that battery life under linux is a lot shorter than battery life using windows?
[05:08] <_hater2win> *shrug* i noticed that my computer works alot harder to run linux for some reason
[05:08] <_hater2win> gets really hot
[05:08] <_hater2win> i had to dedicate a small house fan to it
[05:08] <nocloud> yea, i noticed that
[05:09] <nocloud> especially around the hard drive and wireless areas of the computer
[05:09] <_hater2win> seriously
[05:09] <_hater2win> well good, at least i know now its not my computer that sucks
[05:09] <_hater2win> lol
[05:09] <_hater2win> i was like, omfg, i just upgraded earlier this year, dont tell me im out of date already
[05:09] <_hater2win> i honestly though linux would run much lighter
[05:09] <_hater2win> but it doesnt for some odd reason
[05:10] <nocloud> i think windows has some special power saving features for the wireless
[05:10] <nocloud> while linux runs it at full all the time
[05:10] <nocloud> also, its possible that windows file system is more efficient than linux so the hard drive has to work less
[05:11] <nocloud> and, it may have something to do with the windows system idle process
[05:11] <_hater2win> yeah
[05:11] <_hater2win> thats true
[05:11] <_hater2win> that and i have liek
[05:11] <_hater2win> freaking
[05:11] <_hater2win> 80 processes running in linux
[05:12] <nocloud> yea, i have about the same here
[05:12] <nocloud> and linux uses a lot more ram typically cause it caches a lot of data
[05:12] <_hater2win> 70 processes running
[05:12] <_hater2win> and i have no clue what 67 of them are doing
[05:12] <pl_ice> anyone uses matlab?
[05:12] <nocloud> 85 processes for me
[05:13] <nocloud> but i think only 76 when i first boot up
[05:13] <_hater2win> man
[05:13] <_hater2win> kaffeine is taking up most of my system resources, and isnt EVEN RUNNING! OMFG!
[05:14] <nocloud> yea, i get the same thing with kaffine too
[05:14] <pl_ice> _hater2win kafeine, u got to install new one, the kynptic is broken
[05:14] <_hater2win> sudo killall kaffeine, lol
[05:14] <nocloud> the thing with linux applications is they don't disappear on the process list after they have been closed....
[05:14] <_hater2win> wow, thats gay
[05:15] <nocloud> pl_ice: you said somethiing about installing new kaffeine?
[05:15] <_hater2win> pl_ice: explain plz
[05:16] <pl_ice> _hater2win  kaffeine from respos, takes memory, chrashes cpu, on the ubuntoforums.org there is a new verison
[05:16] <pl_ice> do a search
[05:17] <nocloud> hater2win: if you find the link, please share it with me
[05:17] <_hater2win> will do
[05:19] <_hater2win> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/
[05:19] <_hater2win> nocloud: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/fowlerc/
[05:19] <_hater2win> i think thats it
[05:19] <_hater2win> not sure
[05:20] <pl_ice> anyone uses matlab?
[05:20] <_hater2win> not me
[05:21] <nocloud> hater2win: thanks for the link :)
[05:21] <nocloud> do you know how to install it?
[05:22] <_hater2win> dpkg /dir??
[05:22] <_hater2win> dpkg -i file.deb?
[05:23] <nocloud> i'm not sure, i've installed everything through kynaptic so far...
[05:23] <_hater2win> oh
[05:23] <_hater2win> well
[05:23] <_hater2win> thats how i just installed it
[05:23] <_hater2win> so yeah
[05:23] <_hater2win> dpkg -i directory/tothe/file.deb
[05:24] <_hater2win> did it work for you?
[05:24] <nocloud> i'm trying right now...
[05:26] <_hater2win> if you haven't already, you might have to do          sudo apt-get install dpkg
[05:26] <nocloud> i think it worked
[05:26] <nocloud> going to test it now
[05:26] <pl_ice> ray_ did u install ati? ... 
[05:28] <pl_ice> dave_ there is a fast howto on ubuntuforums.org, just couple of installs
[05:28] <epod69> whats going on everyone
[05:28] <_hater2win> sup epod69 
[05:28] <epod69> nuttin much, u
[05:28] <Nick_Hacker> Hello everyone.
[05:28] <_hater2win> oh you know...
[05:28] <Nick_Hacker> I have a question.
[05:28] <epod69> madden fun?
[05:29] <_hater2win> hellz yeah
[05:29] <Nick_Hacker> Can a person set up the broadcom wireless B/G card with ndiswrapper 1.2 from live-cd Kubuntu
[05:29] <Nick_Hacker> ???
[05:30] <Agent-MHX> come on, people were just talking!
[05:30] <Agent-MHX> nothing to say?
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: they probably don't know how
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi _hater2win
[05:31] <_hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: !!
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> how are you mate?
[05:31] <Agent-MHX> Sigh.
[05:31] <_hater2win> doing good, good. learning, playing madden 06... you know how we do
[05:32] <epod69> _hater2win, play online yet, you should be able to make the top ten =) didnt it just come out
[05:32] <Agent-MHX> well, can a person set up a wireless pcmia card from live-cd kubuntu?
[05:32] <Agent-MHX> ???
[05:32] <_hater2win> epod69: yeah, today
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure. *downloads redvsblue*
[05:32] <_hater2win> lol, rvb2win
[05:33] <Agent-MHX> sigh, this isn't a game chat people, it's linux.
[05:33] <Agent-MHX> bah
[05:33] <_hater2win> Agent-MHX: nobody in here knows, if they did, theyd tell you. we are good people, not "RTFM"-ers
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> _hater2win: you don't know me well then ;)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> *manic laugh*
[05:34] <Agent-MHX> faggot
[05:34] <_hater2win> lol @ Kamping_Kaiser 
[05:35] <epod69> Agent-MHX, have you tried it? im sure its possible, have never used a labtop with linux though sorry
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> eh
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> seems linux is more of a desktop kind of thing
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> well windows is better because it doesn't kill your battery
[05:35] <_hater2win> not if you like to wardrive
[05:35] <_hater2win> which is quite entertaining
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> heh
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> i'm not wardriver
[05:35] <Agent-MHX> i've got my own dsl
[05:35] <_hater2win> lol
[05:35] <epod69> Agent-MHX, there is powersaving with linux too
[05:36] <Agent-MHX> bah
[05:36] <_hater2win> epod69: me and nocloud were just discussing power issues and linux a few mins ago
[05:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: don't troll because no one could help you
[05:36] <epod69> lol
[05:36] <epod69> what issues are there ?
[05:37] <Agent-MHX> Kamping_Kaiser: Give me money for the bridge.
[05:37] <epod69> they cant be too bad if most webservers are using linux...
[05:37] <_hater2win> epod69: http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/1402?_nevow_carryover_=1123645018.27127.0.0.10.41891270546  <-- that
[05:37] <_hater2win> props to Kamping_Kaiser for showing me the ways of pastebin
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;) it was to save me _hater2win
[05:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yeh, it's good
[05:39] <epod69> using just linux, the shell, shouldnt take much power at all.....i think its all the programs we use that requires so much power
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> guis are evil ;)
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> *pats gui*
[05:40] <epod69> anyone here use nvidia and the 686 kernel ?
[05:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[05:41] <Kamping_Kaiser>  2.6.10-5-686-smp #1 SMP + nVIDIA
[05:42] <pl_ice> bie
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kakalto
[05:42] <nocloud> ooh, i think i found another reason why linux uses more power than windows....windows will run graphics cards at lower clock speeds to save power while the standard linux drivers run the graphics card at the same speed all the time
[05:42] <epod69> Kamping_Kaiser, do you have the 386 kernel on your computer as well ?
[05:42] <kakalto> yo kaiser
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: don't remember. let me check
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: yes i do
[05:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> the default kernel
[05:43] <_hater2win> nocloud: interesting discovery
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was waiting for that hater2win
[05:44] <epod69> hmm, cause in order to install nvidia it says you need to install the 386 kernel as well...and when I install nvidia through apt-get it doesnt work on my 686 kernel but it works on the 386 kernel
[05:44] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: lol, just noticed it for some reason
[05:44] <kakalto> I will try out SuSe.
[05:44] <frank_> nocloud: for nvidia, you can probably use nvclock to clock your card REALLY slow to save power
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: o_0
[05:44] <hater2win> omg
[05:45] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, I gotta see what teh hype is about
[05:45] <epod69> nice point nocloud
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: it has to be compiled for the kernel, so you may need to get a different one
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: yeh, I'm planing the same thing ;) *burns iso*
[05:45] <hater2win> lol
[05:45] <epod69> i installed the lastest nvidia, and had it compiled for the 686 kernel and it works until i reboot my computer, really wierd
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> epod69: when you reboot it would be loading the module and screwing you.
[05:46] <kakalto> Kamping_Kaiser, althugh the whole 5cds thing is a bit annoying
[05:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> there's something about this in the wiki but i forgot the page
[05:47] <epod69> i dont know, i have to comment out glx when I reboot the computer to load nvidia, otherwise if i reinstall nvidia glx works just fine
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: yeh, well the dvd iso wouldlnt download for me, and i tried 3 times :/ so cds it is
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> whois bottong
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> buger
[05:47] <kakalto> heheh.
[05:47] <kakalto> I had 3 days trying to download the same iso :S
[05:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can laugh :P
[05:47] <kakalto> on the third try, it worked
[05:47] <hater2win> does anybody else use http://www.digg.com  ????
[05:48] <epod69> never heard that site..
[05:48] <kakalto> first day, it downloaded the whole thing... and trashed it because I had no free space >_>
[05:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> :(
[05:48] <hater2win> epod69: its an awesome site, love it
[05:48] <hater2win> epod69: all the tech news i need, in 1 place
[05:48] <hater2win> games
[05:48] <hater2win> linux
[05:48] <gnunewbie> I'm running Kubuntu 3.4.2 but it's not saving my settings such as screen size and other choices following a session logout. Also a link made from /dev/modem to ttysomething vanishes too after reboot, how can I fix this please?
[05:48] <epod69> cool
[05:48] <hater2win> movies, deals
[05:49] <hater2win> and its all user driven
[05:49] <hater2win> has a user base to rival that of the might /.
[05:49] <gnunewbie> should I delete all files in my user's .kde directory?
[05:49] <epod69> nothing better then this game though: http://www.addictinggames.com/kittencannon.html
[05:49] <hater2win> LOL
[05:49] <hater2win> not THOSE kind of games
[05:50] <hater2win> like
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> this isnt bad epod69 http://www.onemorelevel.com/games/avoider.html
[05:50] <hater2win> gaming news
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
[05:50] <epod69> lol
[05:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> he starts getting to you after 2 or 3 hours ;)
[05:51] <gnunewbie> I need help please
[05:51] <epod69> i dont get that...
[05:52] <hater2win> alright alright alright lets help out gnunewbie
[05:52] <epod69> oh, lol, hes trying to grab the mouse
[05:52] <hater2win> i would wanna be helped too
[05:52] <gnunewbie> thank you
[05:52] <gnunewbie> what should I do?
[05:52] <epod69> he launched a fricken missle, lol
[05:53] <gnunewbie> I'll repeat my problem:
[05:53] <gnunewbie> I'm running Kubuntu 3.4.2 but it's not saving my settings such as screen size and other choices following a session logout. Also a link made from /dev/modem to ttysomething vanishes too after reboot, how can I fix this please?
[05:53] <gnunewbie> should I delete all files in my user's .kde directory?
[05:53] <hater2win> hmm
[05:54] <hater2win> i wouldn't do that
[05:54] <hater2win> sounds like that problem is something wrong with something diff
[05:55] <DJ_Necrogami> my guess is a Permissions problem
[05:55] <hater2win> did you try updating?
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> gnunewbie: change your max res in the xorg file
[05:55] <gnunewbie> Kamping_Kaiser: I will try that thanks
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> be carefull :o
[05:56] <gnunewbie> hater2win: I updated from before 341 to 341 and 342
[05:56] <DJ_Necrogami> here's my problem!! I have a 2wire wireless B PCMCIA card Onrinco chipset it dosnt detect in ubuntu Hoary it detects there's a card installed but no power light and dmesg outputs "Aug  9 22:32:58 localhost kernel: cs: unable to map card memory!"  ive searched around many people seem to be having this problem anyone know a solution to help me fix this problem
[05:56] <gnunewbie> DJ_Necrogami: a permissions problem?
[05:57] <DJ_Necrogami> that woudl be my guess
[05:57] <gnunewbie> hmmmm
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> doubt it  :S
[05:57] <gnunewbie> I'll search the web for this thank you and good luck with your problem DJ_Necrogami 
[05:57] <hater2win> DJ_Necrogami: i wish i could help you, but im still a n00b
[05:57] <DJ_Necrogami> lol
[05:58] <hater2win> ive hlped a gew people out, lol
[05:58] <hater2win> but they were more n00bish than i was
[05:58] <hater2win> so yeah lol
[05:58] <hater2win> and they were typically probs i had before lol
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: there's always a way to help :)
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's why I'm here 
[05:58] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: is the wisest of us all, he really does own his root
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lmao
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> thanks ;)
[06:00] <hater2win> i think of all the problems that ive solved, 80-90 percent of them have been a direct result of Kamping_Kaiser's help
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *explores mounted isos to prevent needing to burn them*
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> mount ownes :)
[06:00] <hater2win> lol
[06:00] <hater2win> yeah
[06:00] <hater2win> i discovered the wonders of mount first in windows
[06:00] <hater2win> easier to do it here though
[06:00] <hater2win> obviously
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> does Windows have mount?
[06:01] <kakalto> uhm
[06:01] <hater2win> yeah, but you have to have a prog
[06:01] <hater2win> somebody more recently discovered a way to do it without, though
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol "discovered a way"
[06:02] <hater2win> lol
[06:02] <epod69> windows only sees partitions it is compatable with and gives it a drive letter, I dont think there is a mount for windows
[06:02] <hater2win> epod69: i saw a story about it on digg the other day
[06:02] <hater2win> let me find it
[06:02] <hater2win> k, nvm
[06:02] <hater2win> im an idiot
[06:03] <hater2win> lol
[06:03] <kakalto> lol
[06:03] <hater2win> i misread it
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have way to many isos :/
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol hater2win
[06:03] <hater2win> you DO need daemon tools or alcohol to do it
[06:03] <kakalto> :/
[06:03] <hater2win> kamp, i have lots of iso's for everything also
[06:03] <hater2win> its how i installed windows vista, the beta
[06:03] <kakalto> daemon is free, isn't it?
[06:03] <hater2win> i just mounted it, LOL
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have 66, i would have burned about 3 of them :/
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> kakalto: i think so
[06:04] <hater2win> i dont have a DVD burner, so i had no other choice
[06:04] <hater2win> lol
[06:04] <kakalto> I only have 33
[06:05] <hater2win> how many HDs do you have Kamping_Kaiser 
[06:05] <Agent-MHX> I have 25 HDDs
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: 2, total 310GBs
[06:05] <Agent-MHX> I host webpages for free.
[06:06] <Agent-MHX> Very secure server.
[06:06] <hater2win> lol
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: what does it run?
[06:06] <Agent-MHX> Apache
[06:06] <hater2win> lol
[06:07] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: what you do with your kangaroo is your business
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't you want pics?
[06:07] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: do you have them on an FTP?
[06:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> http:
[06:07] <hater2win> ill take em...
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> wish cds had a clear "this cd does this" file
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bloody Linux
[06:08] <hater2win> lol
[06:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;0
[06:08] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: you know any programming languages?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> looks like i have a cd here in German
[06:09] <hater2win> lol
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: no, just little pices here and there
[06:09] <hater2win> is it a german sheize video?
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> and enough bash scripting to get by
[06:09] <hater2win> lol
[06:10] <hater2win> cool
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's called "gamesknoppix" and it looks like it might be German, but i have to fire it up to be sure
[06:11] <hater2win> sounds interesting
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *hopes so*
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> this cd looks sweet
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> "LinuxDefender Security CD is a BitDefender re-mastered Knoppix distribution which integrates the latest BitDefender for Linux security ...."
[06:14] <hater2win> bitdefender?
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's an antivirus
[06:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's ok ~
[06:17] <hater2win> why is there a need for antivirus for linux?
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> because there are viruses for Windows and viruses for Linux
[06:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> and Linux boxes are often mail servers
[06:17] <hater2win> hmm, true true
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> make sure you understand - there *are* viruses and trojans for Linux
[06:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> just not as many, and no so indiscriminate
[06:18] <hater2win> so, what are the chances i would contract viri being a general linux user?
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> almost 0 *as a general Linux user*
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> as soon as you run a server your a target
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> or if you have a static ip, but your still basicly 0 as far as targets go
[06:19] <hater2win> understandably so
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> apart from clamav
[06:21] <hater2win> so, what are the good ones
[06:21] <hater2win> ?*
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. I'm still looking ;) bitdefender is ok for a single user afaik, but I'm also looking for stuff i can run on  aserver
[06:22] <hater2win> lol, i love how you spelled concerned with a K
[06:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol yeh well I'm a crap speeeler
[06:22] <hater2win> lol, comes with the territory
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. 21 minutes for this dvd to burn
[06:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh :
[06:23] <hater2win> if i want to install azureus, what do i need to do?
[06:23] <hater2win> install java
[06:23] <hater2win> and then azureus
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.
[06:24] <hater2win> but how do i install java
[06:24] <hater2win> i cant find the apt-get package
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> you will need the backports
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> or extras S: IIRC it's backports
[06:24] <hater2win> hmm
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win:  /msg ubotu azureus
[06:26] <hater2win> hmm
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win:  /msg ubotu repos
[06:30] <hater2win> lol
[06:30] <hater2win> ubuntu has its own paste bin
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's cool :)
[06:31] <systemax> hello everyone
[06:31] <hater2win> so how do i know which repo to add?
[06:31] <hater2win> systemax: sup yo
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi systemax
[06:31] <systemax> hi
[06:31] <thunderbolt> wait...
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: for azurous?
[06:31] <systemax> have i'm having some trouble and i was hoping someone could help me out
[06:32] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: yes
[06:32] <hater2win> systemax: you've come to the right place
[06:32] <systemax> cool
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: you can ask, we cant make promices :)
[06:32] <systemax> k kamping
[06:32] <systemax> i installed kubuntu today and i didn't have any sound whatsoever
[06:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you ask ubotu or someone where to find it, then look at which repostiry it tells you to add
[06:33] <systemax> so someone from here help me out and led me through the process of getting the new alsa driver
[06:33] <systemax> which i did
[06:34] <systemax> i installed the driver, libs, utils and alsa oss stuff but still no sound and now i don't have a master volume control panel
[06:34] <systemax> and of course no sound
[06:35] <hater2win> hmm
[06:35] <systemax> i was thinking maybe i needed to install the alsa plugins but i'm a little stumped on how to do it or maybe that isn't my problem at all anyway i came back here since you guys help me out so much today
[06:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC KDE uses arts
[06:36] <systemax> i read something about arts and that turning it off may help but i'm not sure how 
[06:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> and I'll just say now i havent had to deal with KDE sound before, so i may or may not be helpfull
[06:37] <systemax> any help would be appreciated
[06:38] <hater2win> i know a guy who had a problem similiar
[06:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> my problem is i don't use KDE (!) so i don't know where to find the config tools
[06:38] <thunderbolt> the sound is under kcontrol in kubuntu
[06:38] <systemax> would installing the plugins help or no?
[06:39] <systemax> right been in there numerous time today
[06:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: check you have the gstreamer arts plugin and artsd
[06:40] <jeffm_> hey guys
[06:40] <systemax> how and or where would i check that?
[06:40] <jeffm_> im having a problem with my Network Settings utility
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: in s/kynaptic
[06:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm_: what's wrong with it?
[06:41] <jeffm_> the windows doesnt appear porperly
[06:42] <jeffm_> there is no Add button
[06:42] <jeffm_> just a sec
[06:42] <jeffm_> there are other buttons missing too
[06:42] <systemax> would it be under multimedia?
[06:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> search for it systemax, probably the easyest way to find it
[06:43] <jeffm_> angelman
[06:43] <jeffm_> angelman
[06:44] <systemax> k cool when i do a search for gstreamer a whole bunch of file come up and only a couple are already installed
[06:44] <systemax> do i install all of them?
[06:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: only the ones with alsa esd or artds in the name
[06:45] <systemax> ok
[06:45] <systemax> ok i checked all three go ahead and install?
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[06:46] <systemax> k
[06:46] <systemax> do i need to restart?
[06:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> log out and back in should do it
[06:46] <systemax> k
[06:48] <jeffm__> ok my Network Settings window is missing things
[06:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas this tool do? and have you tried to update it?
[06:49] <jeffm__> it doesnt have the Add or Delete buttons
[06:49] <jeffm__> im trying to get my kubuntu laptop onto a network. so i can get internet on it
[06:49] <systemax> hmmm still no sound darn it
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm__ then we may need to hack the file by hand
[06:50] <systemax> and still no master sound volume control
[06:50] <jeffm__> ok cool. if you know what ur doing, ill do what you say
[06:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: check /var/log/syslog and see if it tells you why the sound is failing
[06:51] <[1] Pythos> winmodem help........pctel driver for hsp56 won't compile........arrrrgh
[06:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm__ how do you connect to the net? through a modem or server?
[06:51] <jeffm__> im on the main computer now with my laptop beside me. i connect to the net through a DSL modem
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jeffm__ so the modem gives the pcs addresses?
[06:52] <jeffm__> dont know
[06:52] <jeffm__> IPs?
[06:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[06:52] <jeffm__> i think so
[06:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so type "sudo (editor of your choise) /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> and editor of your choise would be nano, vim, kate, kedit etc
[06:56] <_leo> why does firefox looks awful in kubuntu?...i guess its something related with the gtk or qt stuff that i really dont understand much....is there anyway to manage that?
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> _leo you can try installing gtk
[06:57] <katana2k> damn
[06:57] <katana2k> ok this is jeff
[06:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[06:57] <_leo> whats the aRts Control applet for?...i dont know why i cant open it
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> _leo it controlls kdes sound
[06:58] <_leo> ohh
[06:58] <_leo> thanks
[06:58] <katana2k> sorry, my irc client crapped out, so now im using mirc
[06:58] <katana2k> kamping kaiser?
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: did you see the file edit lines?
[06:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. so type "sudo (editor of your choise) /etc/network/interfaces"
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and editor of your choise would be nano, vim, kate, kedit etc
[06:59] <[1] Pythos> folks.........can you even see this text ?
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> and katana2k how many network cards do you have?
[06:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> [1] Pythos: we saw that 
[06:59] <[1] Pythos> phew
[06:59] <katana2k> i have other problems with setting up the network, i dont know how to do it.
[06:59] <katana2k> but right now im just trying to figure out why my network settings window is so messed up
[07:00] <katana2k> ok
[07:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: i cant help with messed up guis, i can try and help withsettings though
[07:01] <katana2k> i have an ethernet port on my laptop and a wireless LAN pc card in it
[07:01] <katana2k> ok
[07:01] <katana2k> ill type that stuff
[07:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: we are going to use the ethernet port
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't want to worry about wireless stuff getting in the way if that's ok?
[07:02] <katana2k> yeah ok
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have the file open?
[07:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> what editor did you use?
[07:03] <systemax> hey kamp when i click on the test sound button in the control center i now have sound however test midi doesn't work I have no master volume control in either kmix or my taskbar and of course i can't get hear the cd player
[07:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: so you have system sound but not midi?
[07:04] <systemax> right
[07:04] <katana2k> i tried sudo kedit /etc/network/interfaces but i got kate: command not found
[07:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: oh ok. try kedit
[07:05] <katana2k> i tried sudo kedit /etc/network/interfaces but i got kate: command not found
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought kate came by default
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> ffs what's kdes default text editor?
[07:06] <katana2k> i dont know, maybe its Kate not kate
[07:06] <katana2k> but i tried nano and it worked
[07:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, nanos always there :)
[07:07] <seth_k> kate is the default text editor on kde
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's what i though
[07:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyway
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k: comment out everything exept the following lines:
[07:08] <katana2k> ok
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> auto lo
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> iface lo inet loopback
[07:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> a comment is a #
[07:09] <katana2k> ok
[07:09] <systemax> any ideas?
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: not realy. i don't use KDE, and i use polyp audio so my sound works a fair bit different i expect
[07:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> *and* I'm no great expert on sound :(
[07:11] <systemax> k
[07:11] <systemax> thanx for getting me this far kamping
[07:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> systemax: try #KDE 
[07:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> they might be a bit more populated then here
[07:12] <systemax> k
[07:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[07:14] <[1] Pythos> bbiab....
[07:14] <katana2k> ok, so you want me to put in a # before everything except the previous mentioned lines?
[07:16] <katana2k> ?
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[07:17] <katana2k> ok
[07:17] <katana2k> i did
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> most of them should have a# already
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[07:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> now add these two lines
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> auto eth0
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> iface eth0 inet DHCP
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> DHCP should be lowercase btw
[07:18] <katana2k> i just commented out those two lines
[07:18] <katana2k> they were already there
[07:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok.
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> then we will give the computer an address ourselfs
[07:19] <katana2k> want me to remove the # in front of them?
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you know what address range your network uses?
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> just the "auto eth0" line
[07:19] <katana2k> no
[07:19] <katana2k> i have a fast ethernet switch
[07:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> we have to find out then. what os did you say your on atm?
[07:20] <katana2k> im using XP on this main computer
[07:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> right
[07:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> do you have the little computers down next to the clock? the ones that flash?
[07:21] <katana2k> yeah
[07:21] <katana2k> thats for my DSL connection
[07:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it go through the same modem as the laptop will?
[07:23] <katana2k> theres nowhere to plug the laptop into on the dsl modem
[07:23] <supernix> no usb or ethernet ?
[07:23] <supernix> that is the oddest modem I ever saw
[07:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> so does the laptop run through the switch into the modem?
[07:24] <katana2k> could i plug the ethernet cable from the dsl modem into the fast ethernet switch, then plug the main and laptop somputers in there too?
[07:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> should be able to 
[07:24] <katana2k> ok, but how do i set up the main computer to find the dsl modem and connect to the internet through the switch?
[07:25] <katana2k> which is running xp
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> the switch should be transparent
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless it's a realy fancy one
[07:25] <katana2k> ok
[07:25] <katana2k> so xp should find the dsl modem on the switch and connect that way?
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh.
[07:25] <_frank> DOes anyone know how to get kopete to connect automatically without asking me my password to open KDE Wallet?
[07:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> but thts your problem ;O
[07:25] <katana2k> ok, ill try it. brb
[07:26] <hater2win> _frank: cant you just tell it to keep the pw?
[07:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm going to remove thunderbird if it does this again :S
[07:27] <hater2win> what is it doing?
[07:27] <_frank> I have that setting in kopete, yes but kde wallet still wants to open everytime and asks me my password
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: downloading all me email from the server every 2 or 3 days, and there's 3000 emails there
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it does half one day then half a few days later
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1100 to go atm
[07:28] <hater2win> wow
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> of 1700
[07:28] <hater2win> that sucks
[07:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> sure does... i have more space wasted by doubles then anything else i think
[07:29] <hater2win> lol
[07:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> *debates using imap instead of pop
[07:29] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: what do i do with a .bin file?
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you set it to execuatelbe and then run it
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> in a terminal
[07:30] <supernix> anyone know how to import the settings from Thunderbird into Mozilla mail ?
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> so cd /path/to/bin/ then chmod 750 ./binfile.bin then ./binfile.bin
[07:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> supernix: i don't
[07:31] <katana2k2> ok im back
[07:31] <katana2k2> it worked
[07:31] <katana2k2> ok what do i do next?
[07:32] <supernix> that is ashame I found out that Mozilla mails junk filter works while thunderbird does not 
[07:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> well. lets try uncommenting the "iface eth0 inet dhcp" line and letting Linux try and find the modem
[07:32] <supernix> Kmail is ok but I am still not happy with it 
[07:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 when you have unocmmented that line, save and exit (or quit without saveing if you havent saved it yet) and run "sudo ifdown -a && sudo ifup -a"
[07:35] <katana2k2> ok
[07:36] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: is there any way to tell it where to install to?
[07:36] <hater2win> it installed to my home folder
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> what is it?
[07:36] <hater2win> jre
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh right
[07:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> isnt there a deb?
[07:36] <hater2win> no
[07:36] <hater2win> just the bin
[07:36] <hater2win> and an rpm
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh ok
[07:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> IIRC wehn you install it gives you the option to set a path... but i could be wrong
[07:37] <hater2win> iiirc?
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> If I Remember Correctly... i have installed it as well ;)
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> just don't remember what happened
[07:38] <hater2win> all it did was unpack it itself to the dir
[07:38] <katana2k2> ok, it says: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 on port 67 interval 4
[07:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 give it a bit
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should say "got a lease from  xxx.xxx..xxx.xxx"
[07:39] <katana2k2> ok, then it said no DHCP offerf recieved
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: oh, right :/
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 bugger
[07:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> then we have to set one
[07:39] <katana2k2> no working leases in persistent database - sleeping
[07:39] <katana2k2> could the rj45 cable be faulty?
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 whts the ip of your Windows box? 
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yes the cable could be faulty
[07:40] <katana2k2> ok ill get another one real quick
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> k
[07:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: so it dumped a whole lot of files in your ~/ dir?
[07:41] <katana2k2> ok, i plugged in a new one, im gonna put in the same command again
[07:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> or try "dhclient"
[07:42] <hater2win> yeah
[07:42] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: all it did was dump the files
[07:42] <hater2win> should i create a
[07:42] <hater2win> .   /usr/java/
[07:42] <hater2win> and have it dump them there?
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[07:43] <katana2k2> are you talking to me? i should use dhcclient?
[07:43] <katana2k2> ok, it said the same thing
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2 you can use dhclient *if* ifdown -a ifup -a doesnt work
[07:43] <katana2k2> no dhcp offers recieved
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> whtas the ip of your Windows box?
[07:44] <katana2k2> how do i check?
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> the little computers next to th eclock
[07:44] <katana2k2> ?
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> click on them
[07:44] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: http://java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml#selfextracting
[07:44] <katana2k2> ok, do i want my client IP adress?
[07:45] <katana2k2> or server
[07:45] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: there they essentially just extract it to a /usr/java/ folder
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: yeh ok
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: I'll have a look thanks
[07:46] <katana2k2> im not sure, but i think it changes every time i open the connection
[07:46] <katana2k2> you there?
[07:47] <hater2win> katana2k2: i think he is checking that link out, sorry
[07:47] <hater2win> katana2k2: he is double booked, lol
[07:47] <katana2k2> hater2win: ok lol
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: yeh looking at the link ;)
[07:47] <katana2k2> i dont mind. he is nice enough to help us
[07:47] <katana2k2> :)
[07:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: you sure it changes all the time?
[07:48] <hater2win> yeh, he is t3h pwn. he can own root on my box any day (that wasn't a gay statement)
[07:48] <katana2k2> ill reconnect and see
[07:48] <katana2k2> k?
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: now you mention it i have root on several boxes ;)
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k2: if you want :)
[07:48] <katana2k2> when i come back, i may be katana2k3
[07:48] <katana2k2> lol
[07:48] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: lol
[07:48] <hater2win> lol
[07:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:49] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: so what do you think? should i just    mkdir /usr/java/
[07:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: you must be using a different java instlaler to me
[07:49] <katana2k2> ok, i wrote down my client ip adress
[07:49] <katana2k2> ill reconnect
[07:49] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: lol it installed right for you?
[07:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: don't remember... was a whjile ago
[07:50] <katana2k3> ok it stays the same
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 yoru ip address?
[07:51] <Kamping_Kaiser>  what is it?
[07:51] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: so do you think doing that would work then? just running the bin inside of a mkdir /usr/java/
[07:51] <katana2k3> 209.161.226.70
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: it should work, I'm just worried about dumping crap all through your system
[07:52] <hater2win> lol
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k what about your internal network address?
[07:52] <hater2win> how do i get rid of the previous dump?
[07:52] <katana2k3> where do i find that?
[07:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> rm -rf *be very carefull*
[07:52] <katana2k3> sorry im such a n00b
[07:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 go "start" -> "run" -> type "cmd" -> it opens, type "ipconfig /a" and past what comes up into PM with me or pastebin
[07:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 why i remember that crap is beond me ;) i don't use doze anymore
[07:54] <katana2k3> lol
[07:55] <katana2k3> do you mean "ipconfig /all"?
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[07:55] <katana2k3> ok
[07:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> i forgot Windows doesnt do abrieviated commands :)
[07:56] <katana2k3> lol yeah because they're little bitches
[07:56] <katana2k3> ok, so what do you want me to pm you?
[07:56] <bjv>  /usr/share/doc
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> the output of ipconfig /all
[07:56] <bjv> does apt-get dump stuff there?
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> give me all of it and i can look for what i need
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> bjv documents it does
[07:57] <katana2k3> its alot of stuff though
[07:57] <bjv> yeah, i probably dont want to remove that then.
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[07:57] <bjv> didnt compress all that well anyway, :P
[07:57] <katana2k3> how do i PM now?
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> katana2k3 yeh i know there might be a lto
[07:58] <katana2k3> lol
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. wonder where he flooded
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> i didnt get it
[07:59] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: it worked. now did it install azureus, or its just a run from kind of thing? The folder i extracted azureus to, is that the folder that it is run from?
[07:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't know. i havent usedit at all
[07:59] <hater2win> and when i say did it install azureus, i mean when i ran the azureus installer
[07:59] <Agent-MHX> are you two still chatting it up?
[08:00] <Agent-MHX> i think someone cracked into my box through one of these irc channels
[08:00] <Agent-MHX> i'm not too found of it.
[08:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbs. in 10 min perhaps. sorry people
[08:02] <hater2win> kk
[08:02] <hater2win> anybody know how to just remove a single file?
[08:02] <hater2win> katana2k3: how do you just remove a single file?
[08:03] <katana2k3> i dont know
[08:03] <bjv> rm  ?
[08:03] <katana2k3> im a complete noob to linux and kubuntu
[08:03] <bjv> ah, yes. rm then
[08:04] <bjv> (r)e(m)ove, or something to that effect
[08:04] <systemax> anyone help me installing alsa plugins
[08:05] <bjv> crap, by the time it was finished /usr/share/doc actually did compress decently. :((
[08:05] <bjv> 110.4mb -> 60
[08:05] <bjv> :((((
[08:07] <[1] Pythos> hello...
[08:08] <[1] Pythos> am i getting through?
[08:08] <bjv> no. i can not read your text.
[08:09] <[1] Pythos> heh...
[08:09] <Agent-MHX> It's all scrambled.
[08:09] <Agent-MHX> There are letters missing.
[08:09] <Agent-MHX> Do you have a keyboard problem?
[08:09] <bjv> maybe it's a finger problem.
[08:09] <[1] Pythos> probaby
[08:09] <bjv> or worse..
[08:10] <[1] Pythos> yes...my real problem is
[08:10] <systemax> is anyone able to help me out with installing some alsa plugins
[08:11] <benjamin1254> im looking for helping my friend... she sent me an invite and its a micorsoft remote help under xp. and im looking for a program that will use it so i can get her some help since its late and i cant go see her tonight... any sugestions?
[08:11] <[1] Pythos> that i can not get the driver for cm8738 winmodem to compile
[08:11] <Agent-MHX> :)
[08:12] <Agent-MHX> u need pr0n
[08:12] <Agent-MHX> Oops wrong box.
[08:12] <Agent-MHX> sorry
[08:12] <bjv> benjamin1254: there is a kde remote-desktop program
[08:12] <benjamin1254> where?
[08:13] <bjv> krdc it's called
[08:13] <bjv> i dont know what the windows service actually is, krdc is designed for vnc or something
[08:13] <benjamin1254> yeah and i cant seem to use my remote help invite on it not sure if i should open the invie through the program
[08:15] <bjv> oh man, what was that.
[08:15] <hater2win> i have a directory:         /home/hater2win/azureus         I want to copy it to /etc/
[08:16] <bjv> the windows rdc runs on port 8815 or something, i was watching a friend do some crap with it the other day.
[08:16] <benjamin1254> what should i do ... should i ask for her ip and do it that way instead?
[08:16] <hater2win> why doesnt         sudo cp /home/hater2win/azureus/ /etc/       work
[08:16] <bjv> yeah, im sure thats the only way that would work
[08:16] <bjv> google could probably help you more then me though.
[08:16] <benjamin1254> k ill do that
[08:17] <[1] Pythos> come on folks....pctel-0.9.7-9-rht-4 won't compile.....what goes?    kubuntu kernel 2.6???
[08:18] <bjv> hater2win: uh, you didnt do a recursive cp with r?
[08:18] <bjv> i dunno.
[08:19] <[1] Pythos> i'll get a brew....while ya think about it...
[08:20] <Agent-MHX> who can tell me about live-dvd Kubuntu?
[08:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[08:22] <hater2win> bjv: i guess not
[08:22] <hater2win> would it be sudo cp -r /home/hater2win/azureus/ /etc/
[08:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: why do you want to do that?
[08:25] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: i want to copy the azureus folder to /etc/
[08:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> why?
[08:26] <bjv> i assume azureus is the config folder..
[08:26] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: because azureus runs only when you ./azureus
[08:26] <hater2win> its not an install
[08:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> but putting it in etc wont help :O
[08:26] <bjv> yeah, you need to link it to /usr/bin or something
[08:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: do you have an "opt"  folder?
[08:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> put azureus in /opt and run "ln -s /opt/azureus/azluancher /usr/bin/azureus
[08:28] <Agent-MHX> how do i save to the HDD using live-dvd Kubuntu?
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: what file system is the hdd?
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> uhh NTFS?
[08:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> then you don't
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> i'm using XP
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> hmm :-/
[08:29] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: why in opt, why not etc?
[08:29] <Agent-MHX> is it possible to save to a usb drive?
[08:30] <Agent-MHX> using live
[08:30] <bjv> you could go back into windows, make a fat32 part, ftw, and use that to shuttle between the 2.
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: because /etc/ is where system config files go. /opt/ is a place for root to install stuff if he wants
[08:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: i think so
[08:30] <bjv> yeah, usb drives are cake in linux
[08:30] <Agent-MHX> but when you partition in XP doesn't that delete everything?
[08:30] <bjv> mount /dev/sda0 or whatever.
[08:31] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: ah ok
[08:31] <bjv> er, i lied. its probably sda1
[08:31] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: where is the xconf file located again?
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> ?
[08:31] <hater2win> lol
[08:31] <hater2win> yeah
[08:31] <hater2win> that one
[08:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: if you run "ls -lh /etc/" and look who ownes the files
[08:31] <hater2win> my bad
[08:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> then ask why you should not have yoru files there ;)
[08:32] <hater2win> lol
[08:32] <hater2win> root pwns me
[08:32] <supernix> how bout owns
[08:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> pwns is legit :)
[08:33] <hater2win> indeed, pwns is legit. heh
[08:33] <bjv> man, why did you tell him to use /opt. :\
[08:33] <bjv> freak.
[08:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[08:34] <bjv> # ls -l /opt
[08:34] <bjv> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 10 2005-08-03 23:56 /opt -> /usr/local
[08:34] <bjv> apps can try to use it. but they wont. ;|
[08:35] <hater2win> lol
[08:35] <hater2win> sad part is
[08:35] <hater2win> ive already installed firefox to /etc/
[08:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> back
[08:35] <hater2win> :|
[08:36] <bjv> ack!
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: it's in the apt-repose :S
[08:36] <Agent-MHX> how do i hack computers?
[08:36] <hater2win> but it runs fine
[08:36] <hater2win> what is?
[08:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol -> kamping_kaiser@Internode.on.net (Inbox 3142 messages) 1029 new (IMAP)
[08:37] <Agent-MHX> omg!
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> Agent-MHX: hack computers?
[08:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: firefox is in your apt-get/kypaptic/synaptic repositries
[08:38] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: i know but its 1.0.2 i wanted 1.0.6
[08:38] <hater2win> i didnt know if it was a backport
[08:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's a backport :)
[08:39] <hater2win> not only that, but i couldnt find where it installed to for some reason
[08:39] <hater2win> i even tried
[08:39] <hater2win> whereis mozilla-firefox
[08:39] <hater2win> i just drew a blank
[08:39] <hussam> hater2win: firefox 1.0.6 is in security,ubuntu.com
[08:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hater2win: try "apt-cache show mozilla-firefox"
[08:40] <hussam> just do sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[08:40] <bjv> on that note. anyone running the latest deerpark nightly?
[08:41] <bjv> the last one i got was borked.
[08:41] <hater2win> hmmm
[08:41] <lluka> hey does anyone know kynaptic sources?
[08:41] <hussam> bjv: I've tried it but I went back to 1.0.6
[08:41] <bjv> i went back to 1.0.6, which was also borked. :\
[08:42] <bjv> so i just used it. and pined for 1.0.2 :P
[08:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> lluka: /msg ubotu repos
[08:42] <hussam> bjv: the new preference windows in deer park sucks.
[08:42] <lluka> blocking unidentified users
[08:42] <lluka> :/
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[08:43] <bjv> i dont mind. i just wish keys would stop disappearing between version.
[08:43] <hater2win> Kamping_Kaiser: is    sudo cp -r /whatever/azureus/ /opt/           a valid copy?
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lluka: (16:13:14) ubotu: it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:43] <bjv> apparently they dislike disable_obsolete_extensions for the nightly.
[08:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes. 
[08:43] <hussam> bjv: what do you mean? which keys?
[08:43] <bjv> so they just disappeared it.
[08:44] <bjv> it auto-disable obsolete. but the difference plays hell with the 1 config directory i share between the 2 versions.
[08:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> bbl. taxi duties
[08:45] <hater2win> kk
[08:45] <Kaiser_away> later people :\
[08:46] <Kaiser_away> I'll be back in hours, not minutes :) have fun
[08:46] <hater2win> oh
[08:46] <hater2win> lol
[08:46] <hater2win> one last thing
[08:46] <hater2win> what did ln -s /opt/azureus/azluancher /usr/bin/azureus
[08:46] <hater2win> do?
[08:46] <lluka> :/
[08:47] <lluka> anyone know good repositories for kynaptic
[08:47] <lluka> ?
[08:47] <lluka> that /msg thing didnt werk
[08:47] <lluka> :/
[08:48] <bjv> ln --symbolic path/file path/linkname
[08:48] <bjv> makes a symbolic link, leading to a particular file, at a particular location.
[08:49] <hater2win> i see i see
[08:49] <bjv> like a blah.lnk windows file, but much more sophisticated.
[08:49] <bjv> actually, i think winNT supports symbolic linking, much line *nix
[08:49] <bjv> *like
[08:59] <[1] Pythos> hello
[09:00] <[1] Pythos> hey, is linux really about being free?
[09:00] <[1] Pythos> as in beer/
[09:00] <hater2win> i think its more about being safe, and... free?
[09:00] <[1] Pythos> geat.
[09:01] <[1] Pythos> great
[09:01] <[1] Pythos> but...how the heck
[09:01] <bjv> i think its all about being free. as in speech, and also beer.
[09:01] <[1] Pythos> is it any good
[09:02] <bjv> yes, some might say as good as the unixs.
[09:02] <[1] Pythos> if ya can't get yer modem to work ?
[09:02] <bjv> your modem is an Xbox-modem.
[09:02] <bjv> you cant expect it to work with a PS2.
[09:02] <bjv> (real men still use externel serial modems.)
[09:02] <[1] Pythos> no...modem is a (arrrgggh) winmodem
[09:03] <bjv> notice how your cable modem is external still?
[09:03] <bjv> that's right. real modem. :P
[09:03] <[1] Pythos> make junk work ya know
[09:03] <katana2k3> hey guys
[09:04] <katana2k3> im having trouble getting my laptop with kubuntu onto my home network
[09:04] <znh> yeey @ http://img359.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kde0024uy.jpg
[09:04] <[1] Pythos> poor folks gotta yak oo
[09:05] <katana2k3> can someone help me?
[09:05] <znh> one above the 100mhz xD
[09:05] <znh> katana2k3, sure
[09:05] <katana2k3> thanks
[09:06] <katana2k3> i think i have set up a network on my main computer (the one im on) and im trying to get my laptop (beside me) on it
[09:08] <katana2k3> ?
[09:08] <katana2k3> anyone?
[09:10] <znh> katana2k3, change your /etc/samba/smb.conf
[09:10] <[1] Pythos> umm..are you folks kinda like sorta snobs, or something like that? i mean, crap, if someone needs an answer or help about something
[09:11] <katana2k3> change it?
[09:11] <katana2k3> how
[09:11] <katana2k3> and to what?
[09:11] <hater2win> znh: http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/6149/snapshot49rb.png
[09:12] <znh> hater2win, nice!
[09:13] <hater2win> ty ty =)
[09:13] <hater2win> lol
[09:15] <[1] Pythos> well silent ones, thanx i guess, gotta leave this connection (a friends) with no answers...wish it were different
[09:19] <hater2win> http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/4802/snapshot51mi.png
[09:19] <hater2win> which way looks better?
[09:21] <PieD> hater2win: they both look ugly because of firefox :p
[09:22] <hater2win> lol
[09:22] <hater2win> firefox pwns j00
[09:22] <PieD> firefox sux, konqueror rox
[09:22] <katana2k3> ok, i changed it to the right work group
[09:23] <hater2win> konq is so gay... i hate it
[09:23] <PieD> gay ?
[09:23] <hater2win> its almost as NOT standard compliant as IE
[09:23] <PieD> that's totally wrong
[09:24] <hater2win> you're right
[09:24] <PieD> konq support more CSS2 than firefox 1.0
[09:24] <hater2win> im just trying to find reason to call it gay
[09:24] <PieD> konq supports some parts of CSS3 that firefox doesn't support (even the latest nightlies)
[09:24] <bjv> katana2k3: are you all set now? :P
[09:24] <katana2k3> can anyone help me?
[09:24] <katana2k3> no
[09:25] <PieD> (but you can also say that firefox supports some parts of CSS3 that konqueror doesn't support)
[09:25] <hater2win> yeh
[09:25] <katana2k3> i dont know how to set up this network
[09:25] <bjv> katana2k3: how much network connectivity go you have?
[09:25] <bjv> none? some? can you ping?
[09:25] <katana2k3> i dont think i have any
[09:25] <bjv> ok
[09:25] <bjv> we start physical. how are the computers connected?
[09:25] <bjv> a hub?
[09:26] <bjv> or directly nic to nic
[09:26] <katana2k3> fast ethernet switch
[09:26] <bjv> k
[09:26] <PieD> http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/monKDE.png => screenshot of my computer
[09:26] <bjv> and you know enough about your gear that you dont have crossover cables in there, right?
[09:26] <PieD> only one non-KDE application : qemu
[09:27] <katana2k3> crossover cables?
[09:27] <bjv> err.
[09:27] <bjv> have you used these cables and this switch before with these boxes?
[09:27] <katana2k3> no
[09:27] <bjv> right.
[09:27] <katana2k3> ive used 2 of the 3 cables before
[09:28] <bjv> well, ill just assume you dont have any crossovers (xover is for connecting nic to nic)
[09:28] <bjv> they are often yellow, if your smart. :P
[09:28] <katana2k3> ok
[09:28] <bjv> anyway.
[09:28] <katana2k3> no crossovers
[09:28] <bjv> the machine you are on is what, running windows and the smb shares?
[09:28] <katana2k3> its running windows xp
[09:28] <bjv> k
[09:28] <katana2k3> what are smb shares?
[09:28] <bjv> windows shared folders.
[09:29] <katana2k3> yeah i think there are a few shared folders
[09:29] <bjv> server message blocks, or whatever, is what the protocol is called.
[09:29] <bjv> anyway.
[09:29] <bjv> ok, you have got a switch. its been a while sense ive passed my compTIA exam..
[09:30] <hater2win> http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/3342/screen18gp.jpg <-- thats from when I was running longhorn (vista)
[09:30] <bjv> a switch may or may not include DHCP?
[09:30] <katana2k3> lol k
[09:30] <katana2k3> dont know
[09:30] <katana2k3> would it say on it?
[09:30] <bjv> it would assign things IP's automatically
[09:31] <katana2k3> i dont know
[09:31] <bjv> screw it. do you know how to ping your switch?
[09:31] <katana2k3> LOL no
[09:31] <bjv> ok
[09:31] <katana2k3> im sorry, im a total noob to networking and linux
[09:31] <bjv> did you just buy this switch?
[09:31] <katana2k3> no, my uncle gave it to me
[09:31] <bjv> alright.
[09:32] <bjv> did it come with a fine manual? :P
[09:32] <katana2k3> no
[09:32] <bjv> alright..
[09:32] <katana2k3> but i can get it online
[09:32] <bjv> thats good.
[09:32] <pussfeller> since when do switches do dhcp
[09:32] <bjv> like i said it's been a while.
[09:33] <bjv> router < switch < hub ?
[09:33] <bjv> whatever
[09:33] <pussfeller> a switch or hub, which there is some technical difference but in practice used interchangibly will just allow you to connect a bunch of pc to a lan
[09:33] <katana2k3> yeah
[09:33] <katana2k3> router is best
[09:34] <bjv> katana2k3: get the ip of your win box, and that fine manual. :P
[09:34] <pussfeller> well a router will have its own firewalling in it and that can be a pain
[09:34] <bjv> but the ip first, that will be pretty telling.
[09:34] <pussfeller> you are trying to share a windows box as the gateway with a linux box on a lan?
[09:34] <bjv> he is trying to establish basic network connectivity. :P
[09:35] <katana2k3> im connected to the internet through it. would it show up as the server IP adress when i click the lil computers in the system tray?
[09:35] <bjv> nein, the ip on the network card that is attached to the switch
[09:35] <bjv> the one you want to talk to the laptop over.
[09:35] <bjv> wait. what?
[09:35] <pussfeller> the box connceted to the internet has to have 2 nics one for the internet, one for the lan
[09:36] <bjv> "katana2k3: im connected to the internet through it"
[09:36] <katana2k3> ok the IP for this comp is 209.161.226.70
[09:36] <bjv> elaborate on "it"
[09:36] <pussfeller> and has to share the connection via nat or ics if its windows
[09:36] <bjv> ok, that sounds like the fake IP windows assigns when it doesnt have anything to talk to
[09:36] <bjv> change that IP to something useful, like 192.168.1.100
[09:37] <pussfeller> but you should have the linux box be router 
[09:37] <katana2k3> ok, where do i do that
[09:37] <katana2k3> and will it affect me
[09:37] <bjv> uh, you probably cant do "man ifconfig"...
[09:38] <pussfeller> its in the network setup gui somewhere
[09:38] <bjv> can you open the properties for the network card?
[09:38] <bjv> its under TCP/IP properites..
[09:38] <katana2k3> ok
[09:38] <bjv> 192.168.xxx.yyy is one of 2 or 3 'private' IP ranges
[09:38] <bjv> they arent used on the internet, so its OK to use them to connect your personal devices
[09:39] <pussfeller> that looks like his external ip
[09:39] <bjv> 209.161.226.70 ?
[09:39] <pussfeller> yeah
[09:39] <bjv> you are right...
[09:39] <bjv> yeah.
[09:40] <pussfeller> also if you are using dsl some of the modem act as a router of sorts and it isnt possible to share the connection unless you put it in bridge mode
[09:40] <katana2k3> oh man
[09:41] <katana2k3> ok, so what is it you want me to do right now?
[09:41] <bjv> ok.
[09:41] <bjv> first, elaborate.
[09:41] <bjv> how are you connected to the internet?
[09:42] <katana2k3> main computer connected to switch, from switch to DSL modem to internet
[09:42] <katana2k3> its a DLink
[09:42] <bjv> is the DSL modem attached to a WAN port on the 'switch'?
[09:42] <pussfeller> unless I am missing something, you have to connect the modem to a computer
[09:43] <pussfeller> and then connect that computer with another ehternet card to the switch
[09:43] <katana2k3> no you dont
[09:43] <bjv> the wan port would be separate from the others if it was there.
[09:43] <katana2k3> no its not in a wan port
[09:43] <pussfeller> mine doesnt have a wan port
[09:43] <bjv> ok.
[09:43] <katana2k3> it doesnt say anything about wan on the switch
[09:44] <bjv> ok, so you have a dsl modem, a laptop, and a desktop connected to the switch
[09:44] <katana2k3> yeah
[09:44] <pussfeller> but he dosnt have it set up that way
[09:44] <bjv> so our objective is to have the modem set as gateway for both devices.
[09:44] <bjv> doesnt he?
[09:44] <pussfeller> are you using the computer that way now?
[09:44] <bjv> he is on the desktop.
[09:44] <katana2k3> yeah and yeah
[09:44] <katana2k3> and yeah
[09:45] <pussfeller> ok so it must be working that way then
[09:45] <bjv> ok, this is sounding easy now. :P
[09:45] <katana2k3> lol thats good to hear
[09:45] <bjv> your windows card should have 1) an IP, 2) a netmask, 3) a gateway
[09:46] <bjv> the gateway address should be == to the dsl modems IP
[09:46] <bjv> you are going to want to set your laptops netmask == to the desktops netmask
[09:46] <katana2k3> ok, where do i find all that stuff
[09:46] <bjv> where to find in windows..
[09:46] <bjv> well you only have 1 network device on the desktop, right?
[09:47] <katana2k3> yeah
[09:47] <bjv> then you should be able to open properties on it, and get a little box
[09:47] <pussfeller> using dhcp doessnt work from the laptop?
[09:47] <bjv> its a switch.
[09:47] <bjv> :\
[09:48] <pussfeller> yeah, but the modem might have dhcp init
[09:48] <bjv> w/e
[09:48] <katana2k3> wait, i have a bunch of imformation that i got from putting in 'ipconfig /all' in a DOS prompt
[09:48] <bjv> we are going to fake it. :P
[09:48] <bjv> that will work i guess.
[09:48] <katana2k3> what do we need?
[09:48] <bjv> IP
[09:48] <bjv> netmask
[09:48] <bjv> gateway
[09:49] <katana2k3> subnetmask?
[09:49] <bjv> yes.
[09:50] <katana2k3> ok, which IP
[09:50] <bjv> oh
[09:50] <bjv> dont use the one that says 127.0.0.1
[09:50] <katana2k3> i have one for my internet connection, and my nic card
[09:50] <bjv> i thought you said that the nic was connected to the switch.
[09:50] <bjv> and you were pulling the connection over it.
[09:51] <katana2k3> it is
[09:51] <katana2k3> i am
[09:51] <katana2k3> ok, ill email you all the info it gave me
[09:51] <pussfeller> heh
[09:51] <bjv> just /msg bjv it
[09:51] <katana2k3> it will probably kick me though
[09:52] <bjv> that would send it to just me, not the whole channel
[09:52] <katana2k3> ok ill try, but i might get kicked
[09:52] <katana2k3> (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
[09:52] <katana2k3> C:\Documents and Settings\Jeff>ipconfig /all
[09:52] <katana2k3> Windows IP Configuration
[09:52] <katana2k3>         Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : FAMILY
[09:53] <bjv> :P
[09:53] <bjv> i got the 1st line. :(
[09:53] <katana2k3> ok, i msged you
[09:53] <katana2k3> did you get it?
[09:53] <bjv> yeah, i got only the 1st line :((
[09:53] <bjv> w/e
[09:53] <bjv> we'll just do it this way.
[09:53] <pussfeller> you pasted it in the channel 
[09:53] <bjv> how many IP's does it list?
[09:53] <bjv> 2?
[09:53] <bjv> 3?
[09:54] <katana2k3> 2
[09:54] <bjv> tell us just those 2
[09:54] <bjv> not all the other lines.
[09:54] <katana2k3> one is under my nic card and the other under my internet connection
[09:54] <bjv> what are they
[09:55] <pussfeller> please elucidate upon your network topography
[09:55] <pussfeller> :)
[09:56] <katana2k3> the one under my nic card is: 192.168.0.1
[09:56] <katana2k3> lol
[09:56] <bjv> ok, now educate us on just how many data cables are coming out of your computer?
[09:57] <katana2k3> the one under my internet connection is 209.161.226.70
[09:57] <katana2k3> what?
[09:57] <bjv> and that right there is crazy.
[09:57] <bjv> do you have 2 network cards?
[09:58] <katana2k3> no
[09:58] <katana2k3> ok, it says ethernet adapter and ppp adapter for those 2 IP's respectively
[09:58] <bjv> alright. this is crazyness.
[09:58] <bjv> are you using a dialup modem?
[09:59] <bjv> or dialing the dsl directly?
[09:59] <katana2k3> i have to dial the DSL when i connect
[09:59] <bjv> and how do you do that?
[09:59] <bjv> you get little yellow telephone icons and crap?
[10:00] <katana2k3> double click the shortcut, and it says opening port, dialing, then verifying, authenticating
[10:01] <bjv> o_O
[10:01] <bjv> whatever.        192.168.0.1 is the IP of your desktop.
[10:01] <bjv> 209.161.226.70
[10:01] <bjv> is the gateway
[10:01] <katana2k3> ok
[10:02] <bjv> what is the subnet mask for 192.168.0.1
[10:02] <katana2k3> 255.255.255.0
[10:02] <bjv> alright, now its time to set up the laptop.
[10:02] <katana2k3> ok
[10:03] <bjv> i guess we'll do basics
[10:03] <bjv> ifconfig
[10:03] <bjv> that will print the info on your ifaces, just like in windows
[10:03] <bjv> we probably care about eth0
[10:04] <katana2k3> you want me to type 'ifconfig' in the terminal?
[10:04] <bjv> yeah
[10:04] <katana2k3> k
[10:05] <katana2k3> now what
[10:05] <bjv> to set the IP on your laptop, we could do       ifconfig eth0 address 192.168.0.2
[10:05] <bjv> because 1 is the desktop, we'll just use the next one.
[10:05] <katana2k3> ok
[10:05] <katana2k3> ill type that in
[10:05] <bjv> to set netmask is. uh. type        man ifconfig         
[10:05] <bjv> :P
[10:06] <katana2k3> it says host name lookup failure
[10:07] <bjv> say what?
[10:07] <pussfeller>  ifconfig eth0 netmask 255.255.255.0 address 192.168.0.2
[10:09] <bjv> host name lookup failure..
[10:09] <bjv> whatever.
[10:10] <bjv> screw ifconfig.
[10:10] <katana2k3> when i type in ifconfig eth0 adress 192.168.0.2 i get
[10:10] <katana2k3> adress: host name lookup failure
[10:10] <bjv> we are gonna just do it the hard way
[10:10] <bjv> there is a program called vi
[10:10] <katana2k3> ok
[10:10] <bjv> it's neat.
[10:10] <bjv> vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:10] <katana2k3> k
[10:11] <bjv> press the 'insert' key to start editing text
[10:11] <bjv> ctr-c will break out of that
[10:11] <bjv> broken out of that will let us  shift+:
[10:11] <bjv> that will open a little promt
[10:11] <bjv> type   'q!'
[10:11] <bjv> and press enter.
[10:12] <nikkia> katana2k3: you got 'host name lookup failure' because you spelt 'address' wrong :P
[10:12] <nikkia> it was trying to resolve the IP address for 'adress' and assign it to eth0
[10:12] <bjv> that will issue the (q)uit      and the ! will force us to quit without saving changes
[10:12] <bjv> if you followed my steps, we just learned vi together.
[10:12] <bjv> and next we can do work.
[10:12] <nikkia> bjv, badly :P
[10:13] <nikkia> bjv, far better off learning the native vi keys, rather than the vim extensions
[10:13] <bjv> whatever :P
[10:13] <png> png how can i set mozilla-thunderbird default mail client?  i dont want to use evolution
[10:13] <katana2k3> ok, that was abit crazy
[10:13] <nikkia> cos when you come to use elvis or real vi on a rescue disk, you're gonna be stuck without insert, ctrl-c, shift-:
[10:13] <bjv> it is. :)
[10:14] <bjv> you safely opened the file, then closed the program?
[10:14] <katana2k3> should i try the if config command you gave me and spell address properly?
[10:14] <bjv> nah
[10:15] <bjv> if you are back to the commandline, do a       cp  /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces.backup
[10:15] <bjv> and spell it right. :P
[10:16] <bjv> if you have part of a word like netw      you can press TAB and it should autocomplete
[10:16] <rikva|laptop> Hi guys, I'm taking the switch from Debian Testing to Kubuntu. Any things I should think of (except backupping)?
[10:17] <bjv> that cp will copy the file 'interfaces' into the new file 'interfaces.backup'
[10:17] <png> how can i set mozilla-thunderbird default mail client?  i dont want to use evolution. when i clicked an email-link.  iwant thunderbird opens. not wvolution
[10:18] <katana2k3> ok, i did the cp thing, amd it says cannot create regular file
[10:19] <bjv> hm
[10:19] <katana2k3> permission denied
[10:19] <bjv> are you root?
[10:19] <katana2k3> then i changed the prompt to root and did the same thing, then pressed enter and it went to a fresh command line
[10:19] <katana2k3> does that mean it worked?
[10:19] <bjv> yeah
[10:20] <bjv> ok, this time we are going to make some changes to the file.
[10:20] <katana2k3> ok
[10:20] <hussam> Guys, check this out: Man dies after online game marathon, http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/08/09/game.death.reut/index.html
[10:21] <bjv> iface eth0 inet static
[10:21] <bjv>         address 192.168.0.2
[10:21] <bjv>         netmask 255.255.255.0
[10:21] <bjv>         network 192.168.0.0
[10:21] <bjv>         broadcast 192.168.0.255
[10:21] <bjv>         gateway 209.161.226.70
[10:21] <bjv> this is what the new entry will look like.
[10:21] <katana2k3> ok
[10:21] <bjv> vi /etc/network/interfaces
[10:22] <bjv> insert to type
[10:22] <katana2k3> do i have to use vi
[10:22] <benjamin1254> nyone know of any IRC chat systems where u can run it on ur computer... u run the irc chat room urself with ur own bots and stuffs like that... any ideas on programs i could use?
[10:22] <bjv> nah :P
[10:22] <bjv> but as root its tough to use gui tools
[10:22] <katana2k3> ok
[10:22] <bjv> i guess you could 'exit'
[10:22] <bjv> and sudo kate or something
[10:23] <bjv> but vi is not a bad tool when doing rootish things.
[10:23] <bjv> insert to type
[10:23] <bjv> control + c to stop
[10:23] <katana2k3> ok im looking at it
[10:23] <benjamin1254> bjv do u know of irc chat programs i could use and configure myself and use?
[10:23] <katana2k3> where do you want me to put in that stuff?
[10:23] <benjamin1254> so people could log onto my pc
[10:23] <bjv> there should already be a default eth0 entry
[10:23] <benjamin1254> and then from there they could use my pc asthe irc chat server
[10:24] <bjv> ive never looked into hosting my own IRC server
[10:24] <benjamin1254> i want to so bad
[10:24] <katana2k3> yeah but it says iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:24] <bjv> apt-cache search irc server?
[10:25] <bjv> katana2k3: im pretty sure there isnt a dhcp server on your lil network.
[10:25] <bjv> that would be one of the things we will change.
[10:25] <katana2k3> ok want me to change it to static?
[10:25] <bjv> i myself set my card as static even though i have a dhcp server,
[10:25] <bjv> yes
[10:25] <benjamin1254> bjv thanks ill search it out
[10:26] <katana2k3> ok, and under it you want me to put all that other stuff?
[10:27] <bjv> yeah, change the necessary entries
[10:27] <bjv> oh, did i forget DNS nameserver?
[10:27] <bjv> make that one the same as your gateway
[10:28] <bjv> (the internet connections IP)
[10:30] <katana2k3> you want me to add 'DNS nameserver 209.161.226.70' to it?
[10:31] <katana2k3> ?
[10:31] <bjv> yeah,  dns-nameservers  is the proper syntax i think.
[10:31] <bjv> its usually after gateway, the values are usually the same.
[10:32] <jpatrick> Not on mine :p
[10:32] <bjv> you are weird.
[10:32] <katana2k3> ok i put it in, now what
[10:32] <bjv> save the file
[10:32] <katana2k3> how
[10:32] <bjv> control + c to stop typing
[10:33] <katana2k3> ok i did it
[10:33] <bjv> shift + colon   to select the colon promt
[10:33] <bjv> type    qw       after the colon prompt
[10:33] <bjv> enter
[10:33] <bjv> like     q!      last time
[10:33] <bjv> but w       for write
[10:33] <katana2k3> it says not an editor command
[10:33] <bjv> qw          ?
[10:34] <katana2k3> yeah
[10:34] <bjv> do      w
[10:34] <katana2k3> ok
[10:34] <bjv> it worked?
[10:34] <bjv> then do       q
[10:34] <katana2k3> yeah it says written
[10:34] <bjv> k
[10:34] <bjv> weird.
[10:34] <bjv> usually you can string em together, like qw! if we wanted.
[10:35] <katana2k3> what should i do now?
[10:35] <bjv> well, file saved.    vi    quitted...
[10:35] <bjv> see if it worked!
[10:35] <katana2k3> how?
[10:35] <bjv> some        ifconfig eth0        if you want to see if the changes are active
[10:35] <katana2k3> try a weebsite?
[10:35] <benjamin1254> man thats thefirst time ive seen  people chat that much in this room
[10:36] <bjv> some      ping 192.168.0.1        to try and bounce a packet off your desktop
[10:36] <katana2k3> ok
[10:36] <nikkia> bjv, need to reload the changes first :)
[10:36] <bjv> some        open a webpage                 to see if GuyOnInternet has correctly totally randomly guessed what your network setup is like.
[10:36] <bjv> does he?     then do the hardest reset you can muster.
[10:37] <bjv> :P
[10:37] <katana2k3> lol ok ill reset it
[10:37] <nikkia> ifup eth0   might work
[10:37] <bjv> or maybe the hardest reset he can muster.
[10:37] <bjv> ;P
[10:37] <nikkia> sadly, since kubuntu uses hotplug to config the network, its not guarenteed, the only sure fire way is to reboot
[10:38] <katana2k3> k
[10:38] <bjv> ifdown + ifup is all he really needs to do.
[10:38] <bjv> a reset will let us know if i made him bork is computer with vi
[10:38] <bjv> :P
[10:38] <benjamin1254> so it does almost everything through hotplug right?
[10:38] <bjv> init 6         as root will restart.
[10:39] <bjv> if you care to know, katana2k3.
[10:39] <katana2k3> ok thanks
[10:40] <nikkia> bjv, the problem is, the way hotplug does interface assignment actually confuses the ifup/down scripts sometimes, and you just get 'interface already configured' or 'interface not configured' when you try to use ifupdown stuff
[10:41] <bjv> well, he's a-resettin' anyway.
[10:41] <bjv> ;|
[10:41] <katana2k3> ok its back up
[10:41] <bjv> k
[10:41] <bjv> ifconfig eth0            to look at changes
[10:42] <bjv> ping 192.168.0.1        to test basic connectivity
[10:42] <katana2k3> sudo bash
[10:42] <katana2k3> lol sry, wrong keyboard
[10:42] <bjv> open webpage         to see if i have ESP.
[10:42] <benjamin1254> bjv what does sudo bash do?
[10:42] <nikkia> katana2k3: sudo -s will do the same as sudo bash, btw
[10:43] <katana2k3> ok thanks nikkia
[10:43] <nikkia> benjamin1254: runs a shell as root, but its not the recommended way, sudo -s is
[10:43] <bjv> or just type       su
[10:43] <bjv> then type the superuser pass
[10:43] <katana2k3> i did the ifconfig eth0, what am i looking for?
[10:43] <bjv> ;/
[10:43] <nikkia> bjv, su will only work if you set up a root account, not recommended on [k] ubuntu
[10:43] <bjv> 192.168.0.2
[10:43] <bjv> to see if our changes took.
[10:43] <katana2k3> its there
[10:43] <bjv> k
[10:44] <bjv> ping 192.168.0.1
[10:44] <bjv> you will either get some datas back, or it will hang, then error. :P
[10:44] <katana2k3> ok, i think it went
[10:44] <katana2k3> wait
[10:44] <bjv> datas it is.
[10:44] <bjv> you will notice if it is dataing.
[10:45] <bjv> if it is still hung,   control   +  c
[10:45] <katana2k3> it said 56(84) bytes of data, then it said From 192.168.0.2 host unreachable
[10:45] <bjv> ...
[10:45] <nikkia> oh dear
[10:46] <bjv> well, thats *some* results.
[10:46] <bjv> if it wasnt there at all you would get:
[10:46] <bjv> --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics ---
[10:46] <bjv> 55 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 53991ms
[10:46] <bjv> because i dont have anything at that address.. and thats what i get. :P
[10:46] <nikkia> bjv, no, what he got can be just as bad
[10:46] <katana2k3> ok, i got one thing of data, and a whole lot of host unreachables
[10:46] <bjv> eh
[10:47] <bjv> you got a response?
[10:47] <nikkia> he IS getting 100% packet loss, the loss is just due to some routing issue
[10:47] <bjv> yeah, i guess i never asked:     are your cables plugged in. :P
[10:48] <bjv> or:        are there solid link lights.   :P
[10:48] <bjv> well, a good response would be something like:
[10:48] <bjv> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.100: icmp_seq=1 ttl=128 time=0.391 ms
[10:48] <katana2k3> no, ill go try another cable
[10:48] <bjv> i dont see how a brainless hub could route wrong though.
[10:49] <bjv> i guess it is 'switching' not just spamming to all nodes.
[10:50] <equex> hi folx, I have borked my Quanta config files, and synaptic has greyed out the Reinstallation button for all Quanta/kdewebdevelop packages. how can i just reinstall quanta ? sudko dpkg --reinstall quanta or something ?
[10:51] <bjv> uh
[10:51] <bjv> apt-get check         ?
[10:51] <bjv> as root, from console.
[10:52] <bjv> wait, you borked the configs?
[10:52] <bjv> not the actual install?
[10:53] <equex> bjv: just the configs.. i messed all the syntax highlighting stuff and cant get it back
[10:53] <Tranquitos> hello
[10:53] <equex> other than that, it works perfectly
[10:53] <bjv> eh, apt-get remove packagenameZ
[10:53] <bjv> apt-get install packagename
[10:53] <katana2k3> ok, its not the cable
[10:53] <Tranquitos> anyone has programming experience with crypt.h here?
[10:54] <bjv> and         apt-cache search Some Stuff From Package        if you dont know the name?
[10:54] <bjv> katana2k3: not the cable?
[10:54] <katana2k3> no its not
[10:54] <equex> just weird that synaptic doesnt offer Reinstallation
[10:55] <jpatrick> Kynaptic does
[10:55] <bjv> hmm
[10:55] <bjv> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[10:55] <equex> Synaptic does it for everything except Quanta it seems :) thats why i am a little wary 
[10:56] <bjv> ..
[10:56] <bjv> ping 209.161.226.70          i just wanna see what happens.
[10:56] <equex> well trying it now..
[10:56] <katana2k3> ok
[10:57] <katana2k3> network unreachable
[10:58] <bjv> different kind of not-working?
[10:58] <bjv> or same exact kind from 192.168.0.1
[10:58] <katana2k3> yeah
[10:58] <katana2k3> different kind
[10:58] <bjv> good-ish, i guess
[10:59] <bjv> ok. what 3 things is the DSL modem plugged into.
[10:59] <bjv> 1) phone line
[10:59] <bjv> 2) wall socket
[10:59] <bjv> and 3) is...
[10:59] <bjv> ..
[10:59] <katana2k3> switch
[10:59] <bjv> switch.
[10:59] <bjv> jesus.
[10:59] <nikkia> bjv, that gateway line won't work
[11:00] <nikkia> the gateway *must* be within the netmask of the interface, ie 192.168.0.*
[11:00] <bjv> yeah, the gateway is going to have to be 192.168.0.1
[11:00] <bjv> true.
[11:00] <bjv> i have no real idea wtf is going on with his modem though.
[11:00] <bjv> as far as i care, the best thing now is to route the dsl direct to his nic
[11:00] <nikkia> i'd double check that 192.168.0.* is actually the network tho
[11:01] <bjv> :/
[11:01] <benjamin1254> 192 is usally the router ip
[11:01] <nikkia> not being able to ping 192.168.0.1 suggests that the network is wrong
[11:01] <bjv> ping 192.168.0.1      and see what we get.
[11:01] <nikkia> bjv: he did, host unreachable
[11:01] <bjv> then ping 192.168.0.99
[11:01] <bjv> compare the errors.
[11:01] <bjv> probably the same.
[11:02] <katana2k3> same
[11:02] <bjv> yeah
[11:02] <nikkia> bjv, can you double check the network info on the desktop for me
[11:03] <bjv> ifconfig on the windows box reports 192.168.0.1
[11:03] <bjv> katana2k3: recheck it?
[11:03] <nikkia> wait, is the windows box running connection sharing ?
[11:03] <bjv> no
[11:03] <bjv> i think we should now work under the assumption that the win box magically connects directly to the DSL modem.
[11:03] <bjv> there is no way we can touch it.
[11:03] <bjv> so...
[11:03] <nikkia> bjv, yeah, i was thinking it might be bridged myself
[11:04] <bjv> we will *make* the windows box share it.
[11:04] <nikkia> one good thing about ICS...
[11:04] <nikkia> it includes a dhcp server :)
[11:04] <bjv> eh
[11:04] <bjv> we already have the laptop working on 192.168.0.2
[11:04] <bjv> share the connection.
[11:04] <nikkia> bjv, no, we don't have it 'working' otherwise we wouldn't get 'host unreachable' :)
[11:04] <bjv> ensure the windows boxen nic is set to 0.1
[11:05] <nikkia> bjv, and if you're going to enable ICS on that windows box for him, you have a shock coming :P
[11:05] <katana2k3> is there another way to check?
[11:05] <nikkia> bjv, in that enabling ICS completely rewrites the LAN ips with its own private network mask, and requests that you run dhcp on the clients :/
[11:05] <bjv> argh. nikkia is right on point 1 at least.
[11:06] <bjv> ICS..
[11:06] <equex> bjv: it worked out after some tinkering :) 
[11:06] <bjv> i dont think ive ever used ICS
[11:06] <bjv> ive used RAS on NT boxen before
[11:06] <bjv> with static ip's to boot.
[11:06] <bjv> :////
[11:06] <nikkia> bjv, i have, it was a nightmare, but thats only because i already had a dhcpd on the LAN, and the two clashed - forcing none of the machines to have working TCP :)
[11:07] <katana2k3> i noticed that when it was booting up again, it failed to get a name...or something
[11:07] <nikkia> bjv, on a 'dumb' setup, ICS is pretty easy to get working - enable ICS on the windows PC, and set the rest of the hosts to dhcp discovery from that machine
[11:07] <bjv> well we can be assured he has no DynamicHostConfigurationProtocal on his network.
[11:07] <bjv> i think.
[11:07] <bjv> :\
[11:07] <nikkia> bjv, i wouldn't assume that
[11:07] <nikkia> bjv, if the modem isn't bridged, it might be serving its own dhcp
[11:07] <bjv> i really think the modem is bridged now.
[11:08] <nikkia> it might even be serving dhcp in bridge mode (in which case, it will report ONE address - the public IP)
[11:08] <bjv> not that he would be able to ping it anyway
[11:08] <benjamin1254> bvjv how would u runf packages u know uhave instelled but just wont show up.. i know i asked this b4 its just i ned 2 be reminded again
[11:08] <nikkia> bjv, it might be worthwhile just doing a manual dhclient run, just to check
[11:08] <katana2k3> ok, i better go to bed guys. please email me if you have any ideas: marshall.ent@gmail.com
[11:08] <bjv> k
[11:08] <katana2k3> its 5am here
[11:09] <bjv> katana2k3: will you be back in this channel?
[11:09] <benjamin1254> it 5:04 here
[11:09] <bjv> im here 3-4 times a week.
[11:09] <katana2k3> yeah ill be back when i wake up
[11:09] <bjv> and it is late.
[11:09] <nikkia> and i'm here almost all the time :)
[11:09] <bjv> yeah
[11:09] <katana2k3> thanks alot guy for trying. see you later today
[11:09] <benjamin1254> eh im here when i have probelms
[11:09] <bjv> katanna
[11:09] <bjv> bjamesv@juno.com
[11:09] <katana2k3> yeah?
[11:10] <bjv> nikkia is right, we will try dhcp next time.
[11:10] <katana2k3> ppl
[11:11] <bjv> alright, im off.
[11:11] <nikkia> gah!
[11:11] <nikkia> no wonder i've had no mail for 2 hours
[11:11] <nikkia> postfix died
[11:12] <benjamin1254> how das
[11:12] <benjamin1254> sad*
[11:12] <benjamin1254> lol
[11:12] <nikkia> wtf?
[11:12] <nikkia> my machine is acting weird
[11:12] <benjamin1254> like
[11:12] <benjamin1254> explain 
[11:12] <nikkia> benjamin1254: like refusing connections on ports its listening to
[11:13] <benjamin1254> :O man thats messed up
[11:13] <nikkia> benjamin1254: can you try something for me ?
[11:13] <benjamin1254> sure
[11:13] <nikkia> (just to see if its a lan-only issue)
[11:13] <nikkia> try 'telnet narch.1.vg 25'
[11:13] <benjamin1254> k
[11:13] <nikkia> see if you get a postfix smtp prompt
[11:14] <benjamin1254> idk but it froze in my konsole so far
[11:14] <benjamin1254> it hasent done nehing yet
[11:15] <benjamin1254> Trying 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::31b3...
[11:15] <benjamin1254> Trying 87.74.30.24...
[11:15] <benjamin1254> thats what im getting
[11:15] <nikkia> i think afraid's dns is going flakey, again
[11:16] <nikkia> actually, no, it looks like a weird routing issue
[11:16] <benjamin1254> wll its goin an goin
[11:16] <nikkia> sometimes it tries to connect, and gets refused, other times it connects properly
[11:16] <benjamin1254> ill post what i get
[11:16] <nikkia> benjamin1254: try interrupting it, and trying again
[11:16] <benjamin1254> interupt it how
[11:16] <nikkia> ctrl-c
[11:16] <benjamin1254> k
[11:17] <benjamin1254> trying it again
[11:17] <benjamin1254> Trying 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::31b3...
[11:17] <benjamin1254> Trying 87.74.30.24...
[11:18] <nikkia> thats bizarre
[11:19] <benjamin1254> yeah
[11:19] <nikkia> think i'll reboot my modem see if that cures anything
[11:19] <benjamin1254> k
[11:19] <benjamin1254> think it might
[11:20] <benjamin1254> im building a server here soon and it might taker me a cupple months but it will bewell worth it inthe end
[11:21] <nikkia> ok, back
[11:21] <nikkia> can you try the telnet again?
[11:21] <benjamin1254> ok try it again
[11:22] <benjamin1254> Trying 2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::31b3...
[11:22] <benjamin1254> Trying 87.74.30.24...
[11:23] <benjamin1254> should i interupt it or leave it go
[11:23] <nikkia> interrupt
[11:23] <benjamin1254> k
[11:23] <nikkia> and try again, i found an old lingering ip in the postfix config
[11:23] <nikkia> but it was working yesterday, don't understand
[11:24] <nikkia> well, its definitely reachable, sending from gmail works
[11:24] <nikkia> maybe your ISP is blocking connections to port 25 somehow - it happens
[11:24] <benjamin1254> idk
[11:25] <benjamin1254> man im so bored
[11:25] <benjamin1254> id like to do something interesting in konsole
[11:26] <benjamin1254> there isent ne thing to do
[11:43] <seaLne> very weird konqueror won't talk to my proxy or use basic auth anymore...
[11:53] <toma> hi,, anyone time to help me with my sound setup? My neighbour is grinding his whole house and I can not take it any longer
[12:03] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell me how i connect to a shared folder on mac from kubuntu
[12:04] <nikkia> morning Phantom^^
[12:05] <nikkia> Phantom^^: depends on what method(s) the mac is using to share files
[12:05] <nikkia> on OS X, its probably easiest to just enable samba and use that :)
[12:05] <jpatrick> I could never get Samba to work :-/
[12:05] <toma>  cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp gives me a nice noise, but further then that I'm hearing nothing.
[12:06] <nikkia> on pre-OS X macs, you'll need to get appletalk/netatalk working, its not fun
[12:07] <nikkia> 800MB of swap used? *where*?
[12:07] <jpatrick> holy...
[12:08] <nikkia> jpatrick: the largest process is java, with 140MB used, but even adding everything up, i don't see how its using all 1GB of ram + 800GB of swap
[12:09] <nikkia> there are only 3 processes over 50MB, those being java and X (both ~140MB) and artsd (120MB)
[12:09] <nikkia> then it drops to 50MB for firefox, and rapidly gets smaller below that
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. 
[12:09] <jpatrick> I'm only using using 63MB
[12:10] <nikkia> firefox and thunderbird are both using around 50MB, *but* they both are sharing 22MB of libs, so the real footprint is probably around 75MB for the pair
[12:11] <jpatrick> I can't get this chart to move to the left
[12:11] <jpatrick> :-/
[12:11] <nikkia> jpatrick: what chart?
[12:12] <hussam> why does Xorg use so much memory? I have just 384MB so 150
[12:12] <jpatrick> in KSpread
[12:12] <nikkia> hussam: images
[12:12] <nikkia> hussam: its the 'flaw' of modern desktops
[12:12] <nikkia> since everything is pixmap based, X bloats to a huge size with all of your widgets and skins
[12:12] <nikkia> if you run twm and stick to Xaw/Xlib apps, you'll see X stays tiny
[12:13] <jpatrick> yes i've deleted it at last
[12:13] <hussam> nikkia: will this stay the same or will it be improved or fixed in the future?
[12:13] <nikkia> oh, and always read the 'res' column, X lists huge chunks of non-real memory in its full memory figure
[12:13] <nikkia> hussam: it'll get worse
[12:13] <hussam> nikkia: doh!
[12:14] <nikkia> hussam: when you start adding in huge chunks of composite usage, you'll see X storing huge numbers of window pixmaps to handle alpha blending
[12:15] <nikkia> i wouldn't be surprised to see ~300-400MB usage being common for X with KDE4 and onwards
[12:15] <nikkia> hussam: as much as i hate the 'X is a braindead system' slashdot trolls, it really does need to be scrapped and start fresh, at this point
[12:16] <DoktorTomoe> Well, I certainly hope I won't need any fancy graphics card for KDE4. 
[12:16] <hussam> nikkia: I see your point. the problem is that I only have a 384 MB ram.
[12:16] <nikkia> hussam, as i said tho, you have to read the 'res' column for true X usage, because things like the full memory space of the video card, get counted into the 'virt' column
[12:17] <DoktorTomoe> hussam: I only have 256 MB Ram on my productive workstation, and X works just fine
[12:17] <seaLne> if you have free RAM it will get used
[12:18] <hussam> nikkia: res? you mean VmRss ( in KDE sysguard )
[12:18] <nikkia> hussam: as time goes on, most likely you'll find it gets 'troublesome', at first, you'll probably not notice huge swap usage, but instead start to see X get more and more sluggish as it can't maintain its pixmap caches well
[12:19] <nikkia> hussam: yes
[12:19] <hussam> nikkia: what's the difference between VmRss and VmSize ?
[12:19] <nikkia> hussam: VmSize counts all the other stuff, including virtual memory - such as the video card's memory space
[12:20] <nikkia> hussam: RSS is the resident memory usage, actual memory that is being used, VmSize is *everything*
[12:20] <hussam> Ok I understand that now, thanks for the explanation.
[12:20] <nikkia> hussam: for example, in unix systems, there's a function called 'mmap' which maps a file (which might not actually be a real file) into memory space, if you mmap a 1GB file, it will show up as 1GB usage in VmSize, but its not really using 1GB of memory, the file is read and returned 'as needed'
[12:22] <hussam> I've used Unix before in my first year in college.
[12:22] <DoktorTomoe> has anyone succeeded installing or compiling kdissert on hoary?
[12:23] <paines> hi
[12:24] <jpatrick> hi
[12:25] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[12:25] <Phantom^^> how do i set it up so i can log into the root account
[12:25] <hussam> where can I get a Kubuntu botton to make a link to kubuntu.org in a forum?
[12:25] <seaLne> Phantom^^: you could just use sudo
[12:26] <seaLne> hussam: isn't there one at the bottom of kubuntu.org?
[12:26] <jpatrick> search google images for kubunut
[12:26] <jpatrick> kubuntu*
[12:26] <hussam> seaLne: yep I got that
[12:27] <DoktorTomoe> Phantom^: Why do you want to do that?
[12:30] <toma> to what do i set my soundsystem when /dev/dsp can make noise?
[12:31] <Phantom^^> cos im trying to copy some files of cd into a directory which requires root privaledges to access
[12:31] <Phantom^^> and using sudo for each one is a pain ..
[12:32] <seaLne> you should be able to access them via media:/ in konqueror
[12:33] <DoktorTomoe> Phantom^^: sudo cp some-files[REGEX]  /target ... one line. It really is a bad idea unlocking root ... some people stop thinking once they are.
[12:33] <Phantom^^> ok
[12:34] <slow-motion> hello
[12:39] <Will__> does sudo not remember your password for an amount of time?
[12:39] <Will__> I find mine not always asking for a password
[12:39] <seaLne> Will__: correct
[12:40] <Will__> Am I? Do I get a cookie?
[12:41] <nikkia> will, it is 15 minutes by default, iirc
[12:41] <nikkia> you can change it tho
[12:41] <nikkia> and if you feel like walking away, and know you used sudo, you can use 'sudo -d' to reset it
[12:42] <nikkia> sorry, -k
[12:42] <nikkia> or -K to be a 'bit more secure'
[12:42] <Will__> I've not even had my coffee yet, and already I feel like I've touched lives
[12:42] <nikkia> (-k resets the timestamp so that you should be asked again, -K removes the timestamp entirely)
[12:43] <nikkia> ah, no, default is 5 minutes
[12:43] <nikkia> it used to be 15 minutes, i think
[12:43] <seaLne> Will__: :)
[12:44] <PieD> Hi
[12:44] <nikkia> if you feel bored, you can even turn on 'insult mode' for sudo
[12:44] <nikkia> where it insults you if you type the password wrong
[12:44] <PieD> is it planned to remove useless services from default installation of ubuntu/kubuntu ?
[12:44] <PieD> I just installed the latest breezy snapshot under qemu, and I see :
[12:44] <PieD> "Starting RAID devices"
[12:44] <PieD> quite useless, isn't it ?
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, not if you choose to use linux's soft-raid
[12:45] <PieD> I didn't
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, thats not the point
[12:45] <PieD> I also see :
[12:45] <PieD> "Setting up LVM volume groups"
[12:45] <nikkia> pied, the soft-raid stuff is installed as part of the base linux install
[12:45] <PieD> "Starting EVMS"
[12:45] <PieD> that's useless, time and memory consuming
[12:45] <nikkia> i'd say EVMS should be removed, but LVM is part of soft-raid :)
[12:45] <PieD> especially evms AND lvm
[12:46] <PieD> nikkia: isn't it only device mapper ?
[12:46] <PieD> LVM isn't device mapper
[12:46] <nikkia> PieD: they're not functional equivalents
[12:46] <PieD> but that services aren't necessary on most computers
[12:46] <nikkia> pied, if someone enables a LVM group, and kubuntu doesn't start it up, they'd be annoyed
[12:47] <nikkia> pied, and afaik, it doesn't waste memory really anyway
[12:47] <PieD> the detection of LVM is possible
[12:47] <PieD> it wastes CPU time for the boot
[12:47] <nikkia> PieD: oh no, half a second longer boots, the horrors!
[12:47] <PieD> ubuntu doesn't start really quickly, why overloading it ?
[12:48] <PieD> it'd be more something like 2 seconds
[12:49] <PieD> (so about 3% of the boot process)
[12:50] <nikkia> and how often do you reboot ?
[12:51] <PieD> I ? only one time a day
[12:51] <PieD> but a lot of users I know halt and start their computer 5 times a day
[12:52] <PieD> (about 5...)
[12:52] <nikkia> they're doing something wrong then :)
[12:52] <PieD> yes, I know
[12:52] <nikkia> i reboot once every 3-4 months on average
[12:53] <PieD> I hate such behaviors for non-server computers (letting it running 24 hours a day)
[12:53] <nikkia> why? its safer
[12:53] <nikkia> themal shock is the enemy of a modern PC
[12:53] <nikkia> thermal, even
[12:53] <PieD> it's energy consuming
[12:53] <buz> no heat is the enemy of drives
[12:54] <nikkia> buz, thermal shock is more dangerous to them
[12:55] <buz> ever tried to rma a drive that got over 55 once?
[12:55] <nikkia> buz, a HDD will survive for pretty much its rated life at any temperature over 0C and under 55C, if you're over 55C you're going to have serious trouble
[12:55] <buz> no
[12:55] <ztonzy> nice, just got my 15 Ubuntu CD's to give away :)
[12:55] <buz> even at 55 its life will be vastly shorter
[12:55] <buz> for best measure, be below 40
[12:55] <buz> same goes for psus, btw
[12:56] <nikkia> buz, the fact remains, thermal shock going from room temp to 55C  more than occasionally, is going to do more damage than running at 55C is, anyway
[12:57] <buz> mh i have more drives seen fail running 24/7 at high temperatures than those in desktops
[12:57] <nikkia> IBM deathstars may fair better there, assuming they're not the bad deathstars :)
[12:57] <ztonzy> nikkia: mine was :-\
[12:57] <buz> deathstars arent even supposed to be run 24*7
[12:57] <nikkia> buz, glass platters survive thermal shock better than metal platters tho
[12:58] <buz> u sure?
[12:58] <nikkia> buz, yes
[12:58] <buz> ever tried shock cooling hot glass?
[12:58] <buz> not even expensive laboratory glass particularly likes it
[12:59] <nikkia> buz, thats something different
[12:59] <buz> if that reasoning was true, notebook drives would have to fail all the time
[01:05] <nikkia> buz, out of all the drives i've owned, i've only ever had  4 die before they got thrown away for being ridiculously small
[01:05] <buz> mhh ive had die plenty
[01:05] <Will__> I need to rig up a cooling solution for this box. 4 HDDS and the main drive locks when it overheats
[01:05] <buz> more than i replaced for being too small
[01:05] <buz> Will__: get a antec slk3700 case
[01:05] <nikkia> and of those 4, 2 were a defective seagate design, 1 was a quantum scsi-3 that 'died' then started working miraculously months later (stuck platter), and still worked when it was tossed
[01:06] <buz> you can put a nice slow 120mm fan in front of the 6 drives it can hold
[01:06] <nikkia> the last remaining drive in the list, was a 80GB deathstar that was in theory one of the bad ones, but survived 4 years before it started clicking
[01:06] <Will__> buz: If I could afford that then I'd buy another drive to replace this flakey one
[01:06] <PieD> I just installed breezy
[01:06] <buz> i had everything besides samsung (which i dont own too long) die on me
[01:06] <buz> hows breezy these days?
[01:06] <PieD> and the X server tells me "version 6.8.2"
[01:06] <PieD> buz: buggy, but usable
[01:06] <PieD> (I installed it in qemu)
[01:06] <buz> is it nearing productive quality?
[01:06] <Will__> Did the deathstars not have 5 plates instead of 4, which made the heads more likely to crash into something?
[01:06] <buz> ah
[01:07] <buz> might do that some time :)
[01:07] <PieD> for instance, don't use kdm
[01:07] <buz> the small ones surely dont
[01:07] <PieD> I believed breezy was using X11R7 !!
[01:07] <buz> and i had all of them suckers die
[01:07] <buz> but also maxtor, western digital, seagate
[01:07] <Will__> I'll upgrade my os when e17 comes out!
[01:07] <buz> i treat drives as consumables, really
[01:07] <PieD> Will__: e17 sux
[01:07] <nikkia> buz, oh, i did once have a WD drive that was DOA
[01:07] <buz> they'll occasionally fail so you need backups ;)
[01:07] <Will__> PieD: since when?
[01:07] <nikkia> 20GB of bad sectors on a brand new out of the box 80GB drive
[01:08] <PieD> since it exists
[01:08] <buz> which in my case means rsyncing /home against one of our webservers
[01:08] <buz> also gives me fire proof backup ;)
[01:08] <nikkia> Will__: as i understood it, no, the deathstars were a standard 20GB/platter arrangement
[01:08] <buz> and at least in theory, access to all files from whereeve i am
[01:08] <nikkia> Will__: the major difference was that the platters were glass
[01:08] <buz> yes and i had 40gb ones die en masse
[01:09] <buz> i refuse to buy ibm / hitachi drives ever since
[01:09] <Will__> nikkia: Ahh. I'd heard different. Why did the glass not help?
[01:09] <nikkia> Will__: it did, if you had a good one
[01:09] <buz> i've come to the conclusion that they all are crap
[01:09] <buz> so i buy samsng, these are at least rather silent
[01:09] <nikkia> Will__: i suspect it was manufacturing defects in the glass that caused half the problems
[01:09] <buz> i suspect it was the logic
[01:09] <buz> we swapped logic boards once and it started to work again
[01:09] <Will__> nikkia: I can imagine making tolerant glass was/is much more difficult than doing the same with metal
[01:10] <nikkia> buz, still, not quite as nasty as the logic problem with my 2 seagates :)
[01:10] <nikkia> buz, a 131MB and a 250MB drive, both had fuses on the logic board *catch fire*
[01:10] <buz> mhh i had a couple of 3 year old seagates fail recently
[01:10] <seaLne> anyone using breezy could you do me a favour and check that you can access a basic auth protected page in konqueror? i'm very confused as to why this isn't working as from the looks of it konq hasn't changed in a while
[01:11] <buz> ok THATs bad
[01:11] <nikkia> buz, i also had a panasonic cdrom catch fire once :)
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> hey what do you guys to do make hdds fail?
[01:11] <EasterSunshine> mines haven't failed for like five years
[01:11] <buz> mhh i had a psu go up in smoke once
[01:11] <buz> of course i accidentally short circuited it
[01:11] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: i don't, usually
[01:11] <Will__> nikkia: I had a modem catch fire once. one of the older ones with a largish built in speaker
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> and i even move them to my friends every month
[01:12] <buz> the question is what do you do that yours dont fail
[01:12] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: i still have a 20yo scsi drive that works perfectly (slowly) somewhere
[01:12] <Will__> thick black smoke and all
[01:12] <buz> most of my friends pretty much accept that drives will fail occasionally
[01:12] <EasterSunshine> a drive failing is like...the end of the world to me
[01:12] <nikkia> of the 6 HDDs in my system right now, 4 of them are older than 5 years
[01:12] <buz> that's why i have raid1 ;)
[01:12] <buz> and offsite backup, at least daily ;)
[01:13] <nikkia> the 2 120GB drives are only slightly newer
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> isn't raid1 like half the space that you paid for, cause of data redudancy
[01:13] <buz> yes
[01:13] <buz> but ten times more valuable
[01:13] <buz> i cant stand data loss
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i dunno how you live with that...half as much space...
[01:13] <EasterSunshine> i buy the cheapests disks ever, and utilize every single gigabyte that i can
[01:13] <Will__> EasterSunshine: You've just made 2 conflicting statements
[01:14] <Will__> And anybody who needs _lots_ of hdd space is a pirate. damn your eyes.
[01:14] <EasterSunshine> damn Will_ you are right....
[01:14] <nikkia> i might replace a couple of my smaller drives with 1 big SATA sometime soon
[01:14] <nikkia> since i've seen 300GB sata going for around 50
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> acutally, no, cause my hdds never failed, so i see no problem in having no backup drives
[01:15] <seaLne> single point of failure then
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> nikkia: !! link?
[01:15] <buz> trust me when one does, you'll understand why i use raid1
[01:15] <buz> thats cheap
[01:15] <EasterSunshine> i thought the cheapest possible was like 70 usd for 250 gigs
[01:16] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: thats not that far off 50/300G
[01:16] <buz> i cant get below 110USD for 250GB here :(
[01:16] <Will__> I'm going to need a raid card if I jam in another hdd for this box. along with a couple of fans. no airflow in the case
[01:16] <toma> libesd0 or  libesd-alsa ?
[01:16] <EasterSunshine> acutally, come to think of it, i've had my friends drives fail inside my boxes...guess my drives just have good luck
[01:18] <slow-motion> is it possible to put fortune in the signature from thunderbird? so that i have a new signature everytime i write an email.
[01:18] <buz> write an extension :)
[01:18] <buz> if there isnt one already
[01:18] <nikkia> actually, thinking about it, those 2 seagates didn't do too badly, i bought them in '92, they were my original linux installs, and they died in mid 96
[01:18] <EasterSunshine> sounds like a sciprting job
[01:20] <nikkia> EasterSunshine: that 50/300GB must have been a limited offer, the place has them for 88 now
[01:21] <buz> thats more in line
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> damn, i guess after counting shipping to us, it'll be unreasonably expensive...
[01:21] <slow-motion> i did not find an extension for thunderbird doind this
[01:21] <EasterSunshine> well thx for looking
[01:21] <buz> write one
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, i can't remember if they were DM9's, i suspect they were, cos the 88 is for a DM10
[01:21] <nikkia> buz, it would explain the cheap price if they were getting rid of DM9 stock
[01:21] <buz> maxtor are about the loudest drives there are
[01:22] <buz> they dont come near my pc again
[01:22] <nikkia> buz, well, i won't buy WD after the 20GB bad sectors incident :)
[01:22] <nikkia> especially when i was told that it was a problem the whole batch had :)
[01:22] <buz> as i  say, samsung for me
[01:22] <EasterSunshine> buz: all of my disks that never failed are maxtors
[01:22] <buz> i have had maxtors fail
[01:22] <nikkia> not me
[01:22] <buz> no wonder they sound like the bearings are broken from day 1
[01:23] <nikkia> except for the scsi3 quantum i mentioned
[01:23] <EasterSunshine> dang, i dunno what you guys do to your disks...
[01:23] <buz> of course i had like 30 drives in use over the last 5 years
[01:23] <nikkia> and i have a heard time saying 'that failed' really, when it started working again months later
[01:23] <buz> thats failed in my book
[01:23] <chx> not as a flame war -- i have just met Aqua the weekend -- is there any ongoing effort to create something like Aqua for Linux?
[01:23] <buz> a drive that starts reporting weird stuff goes to trash
[01:23] <buz> kde4 in some ways
[01:23] <nikkia> buz, i just moved it to a non-critical use
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> buz: you have the heart to throw out an hdd?
[01:24] <nikkia> buz, ie, it sat in my sampler where it just held copies of my sample CDs
[01:24] <buz> sure
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> thats crazy, even if mines were to fail, i would spend months trying to fix it
[01:24] <buz> i have a whole stack of defunct hds behind me
[01:24] <buz> no wait
[01:24] <buz> i brought them to recycling a few weeks ago
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> i'm not rich with drives, i only have six in the entire house
[01:24] <nikkia> buz, if it failed again, it was just a case of reloading the CDs, and the handful of personal samples that i always backed up to CD anyway
[01:24] <EasterSunshine> buz: warranties expired?
[01:24] <buz> mhh who knows
[01:25] <nikkia> buz, and it didn't fail again, in the 2 years i used it
[01:25] <buz> if they are less than half the psace of a new drive dont bother
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> omg, if i knew more ppl like you, buz...
[01:25] <buz> sending stuff back costs more than its worth
[01:25] <EasterSunshine> i would go to their house everyday and like sneak a drive into my pocket
[01:25] <buz> s&h and all that crap
[01:26] <buz> i treat hardware as disposable
[01:26] <buz> if it fails, tough luck
[01:26] <EasterSunshine> i treat hardware as children
[01:26] <buz> in generall, its not worth to bother
[01:26] <buz> seeing a shrink because of all the nerves RMA's cost is much more expensive
[01:26] <Phantom^^> YAY i got doom 3 working under kubuntu
[01:26] <seaLne> buz: it depends on how many disks are dead when it gets to about 5 or 6 i tend to return them
[01:27] <buz> its different with 2000$ cisco routers and stuff like that
[01:27] <buz> or 500$ lcds
[01:27] <buz> which have onsite anyhow
[01:28] <EasterSunshine> phantom^^: cedega?
[01:30] <Phantom^^> nope
[01:30] <Phantom^^> i got the linux install file from ids ftp server
[01:30] <Phantom^^> and got the .pk4 files from the win32 installtion disks
[01:30] <Phantom^^> and you can run in linux straight
[01:30] <EasterSunshine> aw man...that means like...paying for it and everything
[01:31] <Phantom^^> well not nessacerily but you have to pay for the cd key
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> well, any comments on performance?
[01:31] <buz> i'm sure you could run it without cd key
[01:31] <buz> offline at least
[01:31] <Phantom^^> first time load i set the settings to what i use under windows and its pretty good perfectly playable i need to tweak it though
[01:31] <EasterSunshine> phantom^^: meaning if i have already have a cd key, i'm good to go?
[01:31] <Phantom^^> yeah
[01:31] <Will__> gahhh. does somebody want to buy my coursebooks for me?
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> awesome
[01:32] <Phantom^^> buz it asks you for the cd key the first time you run it from the shell
[01:32] <buz> if you want to run it bad enough it wont ;)
[01:32] <EasterSunshine> lol
[01:33] <Phantom^^> heeh
[01:52] <dargo> hi all
[01:54] <dargo> Somebody knows if it is possible to add to support flash-player to the konqueror navigator?
[01:58] <EasterSunshine> dargo, i've been looking for that for a while also, better ask in #kde, maybe
[01:58] <dargo> ok, thanks EasterSunshine 
[02:25] <_raven> hi
[02:39] <Psyco> hi
[02:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[02:39] <Psyco> I have done a script and I want to run it at startup
[02:40] <Psyco> I have edited the kdmrc (/etc/kde3/kdm/)
[02:40] <Psyco> but I'm not sure if this is the correct file
[02:40] <Psyco> please
[02:41] <Psyco> I just want run my script on startup
[02:41] <Psyco> but I don't know how
[02:47] <Psyco> hi again
[02:48] <Psyco> I would like to change the configuration of my keyboard
[02:49] <Psyco> do you know how can I change the meaning of each key ?
[02:56] <Dhraakellian> diee, there's no need to /msg me
[02:57] <Dhraakellian> a) I'm marked as away and soon to be afk
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> b) if there's anything with which you need help, asking in the channel will get you more help most likely
[02:58] <Dhraakellian> c) /msged asl is rude
[03:07] <slow-motion> bye
[03:13] <sladen> diee: same here, please ask in the channel!
[03:15] <sladen> Dhraakellian: so what was...  I didn't get that lucky :(
[04:11] <bucher> #ubuntu-de
[04:12] <bucher> join #ubuntu-de
[04:16] <nikkia> that was rather silly
[04:16] <toma> thanks for the help passing acpi=off to the kernel helped
[04:16] <nikkia> i noticed my fcrontab entry didn't work at boot....
[04:16] <nikkia> then used the front end admin program, and discovered that the next scheduled run was in febuary 2006
[04:17] <nikkia> erm, febuary 2007
[04:17] <nikkia> it was interpreting '15m' as every 15 months, not 'every 15 minutes' :P
[04:17] <apokryphos> hah
[04:30] <scroll> hello ppl
[04:31] <scroll> can anyone send me a sources.list files for Kubuntu
[04:31] <jpatrick> http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:31] <jpatrick> :p
[04:32] <apokryphos> Nah, that won't have latest kde repos etc
[04:32] <scroll> <.8
[04:32] <jjesse> http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kisimlar/swmgmt.html#swmgmt
[04:32] <apokryphos> http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[04:32] <jpatrick> yeah
[04:32] <apokryphos> Good idea to do the GPG stuff too at...
[04:32] <apokryphos> !gpg
[04:32] <ubotu> it has been said that gpg is at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[04:33] <scroll> i have the default sources.list from kubuntu, but i need other sources to install other packages like wireless apps ..
[04:34] <apokryphos> scroll: like what packages?
[04:34] <jpatrick> marillat ?
[04:35] <scroll> yes
[04:35] <apokryphos> bad idea 
[04:35] <sproingie> marillat bad idea for ubuntu.  not made for ubuntu.
[04:35] <scroll> hum, okay :(
[04:35] <apokryphos> scroll: what *package* are you looking for?
[04:35] <apokryphos> Ubuntu repos should cover everything in those, really
[04:36] <apokryphos> presuming you have all universe/multiverse/hoary-extras/backports
[04:36] <jpatrick> what's marillat?
[04:36] <apokryphos> jpatrick: debian repository
[04:36] <scroll> mplayer, kismet wireless, and other wireless tools
[04:37] <scroll> thanks
[04:37] <apokryphos> scroll: yes, you should be able to get those
[04:37] <scroll> oki <.9
[04:37] <apokryphos> !info kismet
[04:37] <ubotu> kismet: (Wireless 802.11b monitoring tool), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2004.04.R1-5ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 935 kB, Installed size: 2464 kB
[04:38] <jpatrick> apo :  what are in the Other  user repositories
[04:38] <scroll> "enlightnement" what is this, some Kde-look.org desktop ?
[04:38] <apokryphos> jpatrick: which ones? 
[04:38] <apokryphos> scroll: no -- it's another desktop environment
[04:38] <jpatrick> the ones in your sources.list file
[04:38] <jpatrick> ## Other  user repositories
[04:38] <apokryphos> comment out any things you don't want
[04:38] <Will__> E! is pretty nice, though complex to configure. I'm waiting for e17 to be a beautiful thing
[04:39] <apokryphos> jpatrick: oh; that originally had kdebluetooth and koffice 1.4.1 -- before Universe and stuff. They're repositories of a couple of kubuntu packagers
[04:39] <apokryphos> Will__: there's a repository with the beta
[04:39] <jpatrick> and enlightenment?
[04:40] <Will__> apokryphos: oh? got it to hand?
[04:40] <apokryphos> "Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work."
[04:40] <apokryphos> Will__: yup, see above
[04:41] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu.nooms.de/ hoary/
[04:41] <apokryphos> gotta start using that /cmd more -- very handy ;-)
[04:42] <apokryphos> Will__: actually, there's some extra stuff you might have to do. One sec, I'll get the forum link
[04:43] <Will__> apokryphos: thanks
[04:44] <scroll> apokryphos: what packages do i need to install to have Enlightenment ?
[04:45] <apokryphos> There's these instructions http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20216&page=1&pp=40 but they never worked for me, and someone's put in a disclaimer saying as much near the end
[04:45] <apokryphos> what I did was pretty much this though: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46105 -- didn't know that existed, which is cool.
[04:46] <apokryphos> scroll: enlightenment eutils is recommended
[04:46] <apokryphos> scroll: other good ones are emodules engage entrance eclair elicit entice examine eclips
[04:49] <jpatrick> can E work on 128MB RAM?
[04:50] <apokryphos> it's more lightweight than kde/gnome by default, at least
[04:50] <Will__> I've heard people claim E works better than G/K on lower end machines
[04:50] <Will__> depends what you do with it
[04:51] <wincide> hello all, i'd like to know if exists a way of disconnect a touchpad with a key combination ...  
[04:51] <jpatrick> KHotKeys
[04:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If I have a shared printer on a windows machine on my network, how do I add it in Kubuntu? It wants a username and password and samba's all greek to me
[04:57] <png> what do i need to install to listen mp3 files?
[04:57] <apokryphos> png: amaroK
[04:58] <apokryphos> png: sudo apt-get install amarok amarok-engines
[05:11] <png> apokryphos: ive downloaded w32 codecs. where must i put them :)
[05:11] <apokryphos> png: to play mp3s you should only need amaroK
[05:11] <apokryphos> png: and w32codecs you should get from the repositories. It'll put everything in the appropriate place
[05:12] <png> apokryphos: now i wanna play some media player files with kaffein. 
[05:13] <png> so it said to me download w32 codecs. i didnt find in repositiries. i ve download it from mplayer.hu
[05:13] <apokryphos> png: ok; then add the hoary-extras repository, and then sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:14] <apokryphos> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[05:14] <png> k
[05:14] <png> thans
[05:14] <apokryphos> add that to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:14] <png> ~thanks
[05:15] <jpatrick> I've just come back from an E session :-/
[05:15] <Will__> come back?
[05:16] <Will__> irssi in screen, damnit
[05:16] <jpatrick> logged out
[05:16] <Will__> you make it sound like an ordeal
[05:16] <jpatrick> I think I'll stick to KDE
[05:23] <png> k3b says me "instal cdrdao to burn cds".  do i need it?
[05:24] <thoreauputic> png: yes
[05:24] <png> k3b says me "instal cdrdao to burn cds".  do i need it?
[05:24] <png> :D
[05:24] <png> thoreauputic: if yes. why  is kubuntu coming without it
[05:25] <fromoze> png: not reallty but it can be interesting
[05:25] <png> k im installing
[05:25] <thoreauputic> png: I have no idea why it isn't a dependency, but I recommend you install it anyway
[05:26] <png> thnx thoreauputic . i did.
[05:27] <png> last question and im going my sweet home:P   
[05:27] <png> what do i need to plas dvds?
[05:28] <png> ~play
[05:28] <apokryphos> !dvd
[05:28] <ubotu> I guess dvd is There are many good free players for linux. Totem is installed in Ubuntu by default add totem-xine and voila! - Mplayer, XINE, VLC (Cross platform) are also very good. gstreamer-totem
[05:30] <apokryphos> with regard to cdrdrao, that's weird; it's been default in k3b since early 0.11 times
[05:30] <apokryphos> k3b should depend on it, ideally
[05:30] <png> pai aLl 
[05:32] <foodcoman> Anyone familiar with the KDE "Set Date Time automatically"???
[05:32] <foodcoman> I keep getting UTC even if I change to LosAngeles
[05:33] <nikkia> foodcoman: because /etc/localtime doesn't exist/isn't right
[05:33] <foodcoman> Ah
[05:33] <foodcoman> I tried the sudo tzconfig.
[05:33] <foodcoman> Need to edit manually?
[05:33] <nikkia> foodcoman: sudo cp /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT /etc/localtime
[05:33] <foodcoman> Gracias amigo.
[05:34] <Phantom^^> can anyone tell what the best news reader for kde is /
[05:34] <nikkia> unfortunately, tzconfig only sets up TZ= in the env
[05:34] <nikkia> which tends to get lost along the way eventually, and thus you revert back to UTC
[05:35] <nikkia> Phantom^^: depends on what kind of news you plan to read
[05:35] <Phantom^^> hehe
[05:35] <Phantom^^> umm probably the kind you want to download
[05:36] <nikkia> Phantom^^: i personally am rather partial to slrn, but its not GUI, so its not in the least bit useful for reading the porn groups
[05:36] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: KNode is a popular one; for RSS feeds -> aKregator
[05:36] <foodcoman> Seems strange you have to set in /etc/localtime and change the setting in KDE Adjust Date time timezone.
[05:36] <Phantom^^> what about RSSOwl ?
[05:36] <Phantom^^> i'm reading the unofficial ubuntu guide and it has two on it
[05:36] <Phantom^^> one is called pan
[05:37] <Phantom^^> and the other is RSSOwl
[05:37] <apokryphos> never heard of rssowl; heard of pan
[05:37] <nikkia> eww, pan
[05:37] <apokryphos> ubuntuguide is bad
[05:37] <apokryphos> and it doesn't consider kde stuff :)
[05:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[05:37] <apokryphos> (generally)
[05:37] <nikkia> Phantom^^: pan is a rather ugly, buggy, and crashy gnome newsreader :P
[05:37] <Phantom^^> ok
[05:37] <foodcoman> I guess the /etc/localtime changes for the system and KDE displays whatever its configured to show.
[05:37] <Phantom^^> so i guess
[05:37] <nikkia> foodcoman: yes
[05:37] <nikkia> foodcoman: once you've cp'ed the file, just set the kde clock back to 'system localtime'
[05:38] <Phantom^^> ok i guess  i'll try KNode
[05:38] <sproingie> akregator was really crashy for me when i tried it last
[05:38] <sproingie> is knode more stable?
[05:38] <nikkia> sproingie: last time i ran knode, it wasn't very stable
[05:38] <apokryphos> the aKregator I have from repos works quite fine
[05:38] <sproingie> bah
[05:38] <nikkia> but that was a while ago
[05:38] <foodcoman> Thank you nikkia:
[05:38] <sproingie> i'm having real stability problems with a lot of kde stuff lately
[05:39] <sproingie> i finally got fed up with konversation and ditched it
[05:39] <apokryphos> KNode/aKregator are kdepim, too; so they integrate with Kontact
[05:39] <nikkia> sproingie: its a bit sad really, you'd think a 25 year old technology such as usenet would just work by now
[05:39] <apokryphos> sproingie: what was wrong with konversation? 
[05:40] <apokryphos> I wonder if I got lucky. Any stability issues with KDE apps I simply haven't experienced on Kubuntu
[05:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: it gets into this mode where the input bar loses the cursor, deletes don't track the cursor location but are one off or so, and when you backspace far enough back, it crashes
[05:40] <apokryphos> :S
[05:40] <apokryphos> what version?
[05:40] <sproingie> does it every 30 minutes or so, never quite figured out what triggers it
[05:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: beats me, the one that comes with 3.4.1 
[05:41] <apokryphos> sproingie: konversation --version?
[05:41] <sproingie> Konversation: 0.18 #3016
[05:41] <Phantom^^> i'm gonna try krn
[05:41] <apokryphos> Hm, yeah, same here. Never had a Konversation crash, but did have to kill it once when typing /list :|
[05:42] <sproingie> well, /list on most irc networks is suicide
[05:42] <apokryphos> I know that now ;-). Thought it was the command to display nicks in channel
[05:42] <nikkia> foodcoman: oh, and btw, don't call me 'amigo' again :P
[05:42] <sproingie> i guess konversation isn't as multithreaded as it should be 
[05:42] <sproingie> it should just chew up your bandwidth, but not lock up the client
[05:43] <sproingie> well i gotta mosey off to work
[05:43] <apokryphos> I like konversation because it's always just "worked" fine for me, and isn't cpu intensive etc. The extra lil' commands are cool/handy, too
[05:43] <apokryphos> ok, see ya
[05:43] <nikkia> work? oh **(& i KNEW there was something i was supposed to do today!
[05:44] <apokryphos> No work for me till Sunday, woo
[05:44] <foodcoman> nikkia: hahah, sorry first date rule!
[05:44] <nikkia> wow, that's a new one
[05:44] <nikkia> ping has crashed my terminals
[05:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: bulldog is *that* fast? ;-)
[05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i'm having IPv6 trouble
[05:45] <apokryphos> :(
[05:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: it didn't work anymore after rebooting (i missed a couple of modules when i built my kernel...)
[05:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm tempted to suspect its them tho, as i can access their servers via IPv6, and pinging the net at large makes my modem's LEDs flicker, but it doesn't seem to get routed outside of freenet6
[05:46] <Phantom^^> does anyone know of any "how to's" for linux security ?
[05:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: hmm
[05:47] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: install it? ;-)
[05:47] <nikkia> and indeed, traceroute6 reports that the packets get dumped at 2001:418:0:2000:18a
[05:47] <Phantom^^> lol
[05:48] <nikkia> hmmm, looks like verio's IPv6 backbone is failing
[05:49] <Phantom^^> does anyone know the key combo shortcut to open the konsole in kde ?
[05:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: been contemplating trying out slackware/gentoo once I have my amd64; ubuntu admittedly doesn't seem to have perfect support for them 
[05:50] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: you can set one in kcontrol; I normally just alt+f2 -> konsole
[06:01] <Chousuke> apokryphos: What do you think is missing from Ubuntu on amd64 platforms? :/
[06:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: AMD64 just sounds like too much hassle if you do any desktop-ish stuff
[06:02] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, no wine, no w32codecs, etc
[06:02] <Chousuke> well, yeah, unless you run in 32bit mode.
[06:02] <nikkia> Chousuke: well then, you're not running a AMD64 linux :)
[06:03] <Chousuke> nikkia: True.
[06:04] <Chousuke> But the benefits of 64bitness are none if you don't have more than 1 Gb of RAM.
[06:04] <apokryphos> Chousuke: generally takes them longer to bring in kde packs etc
[06:04] <apokryphos> nikkia: wine doesn't bother me; w32codecs is.. resolvable
[06:05] <Chousuke> what's that?
[06:06] <apokryphos> Chousuke: kde-edu application for touch-typing
[06:06] <Chousuke> I'm not really KDE-savvy. I'm on this channel in case someone has a more general question. :P
[06:06] <Chousuke> hmm.
[06:06] <apokryphos> last time I tried it out it didn't have any "Default Lectures".. does now, with different levels etc
[06:06] <Chousuke> Perhaps I should try installing KDE on my powerbook :D
[06:07] <apokryphos> Chousuke: you have ubuntu?
[06:07] <apokryphos> You should indeed :)
[06:07] <Chousuke> I have OS X at the moment.
[06:07] <Chousuke> but it runs KDE :P
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: I figure gentoo might be good in that sense then, since not architecture biased; and compiling should, well, be fast on new setup :D
[06:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: lot of people I've spoken to said they love it a lot just because it taught them so much about Linux. Might be good for me ;-)
[06:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: feh, LFS teachs you more ;P
[06:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: I don't think I have a tenth of the knowledge to even attempt that, though :|
[06:09] <apokryphos> would be nice, sure ;-)
[06:09] <Chousuke> What would gentoo teach you?
[06:09] <nikkia> hmmm
[06:10] <Chousuke> you just emerge the packages.
[06:10] <nikkia> there seems to be a major IPv6 issue
[06:10] <nikkia> sprint's IPv6 backbone is failing too
[06:10] <Chousuke> and you learn to use compiler flags. :P
[06:10] <apokryphos> Chousuke: a lot, actually, since you have to build a lot of core stuff
[06:10] <Chousuke> apokryphos: And how does that help :/
[06:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: i found myself learning some stuff i just took for granted before, with LFS
[06:12] <Chousuke> Though if there's one thing it teaches you, that's patience.
[06:12] <_frank> Chousuke: Gentoo proves the idea that linux is only free if your time has no value
[06:12] <apokryphos> Chousuke: I don't think their claim of "compiling is always best" is true int he slightest, of course.
[06:13] <Chousuke> _frank: it doesn't prove that.
[06:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: indeed, and thats NOT AT ALL why i went with LFS
[06:13] <Chousuke> _frank: it makes that statement real.
[06:13] <Chousuke> other linux distros are a lot quicker to set up.
[06:13] <nikkia> the reason i went with LFS, was, there was no way i could get a kernel/userland setup the way i want with a managed distro
[06:14] <nikkia> slackware would have worked, as a base, but by the time i'd recompiled everything to work 'that way' i'd have been 9/10 of the way to LFS anyway
[06:14] <Chousuke> :)
[06:14] <Chousuke> so are you using a package manager?
[06:15] <Chousuke> or just make installing stuff? :P
[06:15] <nikkia> no package manager
[06:15] <Chousuke> LFS is HC. ;)
[06:16] <nikkia> i'm reluctant to say i'm even using LFS, since i veered from their instructions quite early on
[06:16] <Chousuke> oh, fook.
[06:16] <Phantom^^> nikkia i have 2 hard disks in this machine and one is not currently being used but i want to use it how do i get my linux installtion to see it and then format it into two partitions in say ex3?
[06:16] <Chousuke> There are no binary KDE packges for OS X
[06:16] <nikkia> i really just used it as a guide for bootstrapping the install, which i'd never done before
[06:16] <nikkia> Phantom^^: it should already see it
[06:17] <Phantom^^> nope
[06:17] <Phantom^^> it sees only one 80 Gb drive of two
[06:17] <apokryphos> Phantom^^: see the kudos guide in /topic
[06:17] <Phantom^^> ok
[06:17] <nikkia> OMG
[06:18] <nikkia> recent IE patches compromised
[06:18] <apokryphos> :|
[06:18] <Chousuke> huh? :o
[06:18] <Phantom^^> hahaha
[06:18] <nikkia> thankfully, it seems MS's certificate process has saved the day, as the patches won't install
[06:18] <Chousuke> MS should stop sucking.
[06:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: link?
[06:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: SANS front page
[06:20] <nikkia> i was trying to see if i could find ANY news on why IPv6 is failing across the US
[06:20] <Chousuke> You'd think windows would have become quite tough already
[06:20] <nikkia> but i can't :/
[06:20] <Chousuke> But no.
[06:20] <nikkia> wait, /me has an idea
[06:20] <Chousuke> They don't seem to run out of critical holes to patch.
[06:22] <Phantom^^> nikkia i guess i have to mount it somehow
[06:22] <nikkia> dang, the tunnel doesn't have a ttl set
[06:23] <nikkia> still dying on the 5th hop
[06:24] <nikkia> well, 5th hop on sprint, 8th  on verio
[06:24] <nikkia> something is seriously dead on the ipv6 backbones
[06:26] <_frank> what is ipv6 used for at the present time?
[06:27] <nikkia> _frank, mostly by people that care about not having the mess of NAT, and its fairly widely deployed in asia
[06:28] <_frank> you can avoid NAT? I know almost nothing about ipv6... Does my ISP have to offer a ipv6 service in order to use it? what about my router?
[06:29] <nikkia> frank, if you have an IPv6 connection to the net, the address for each network card is unique and routable
[06:29] <nikkia> if your ISP doesn't offer IPv6, then your only choice is at the moment to use a tunnel broker
[06:29] <nikkia> but even that is better than plain IPv4 for some things
[06:29] <nikkia> you tend to see a lot more asian peers appear in bittorrent for example :)
[06:30] <Haffe> Hi, I want to transfer a number of files from one kubuntu machine to antoher one. What would be the easiest way to do this?
[06:30] <nikkia> haffe, personal file sharing, probably
[06:30] <_frank> nikkia, so every address is always of block of addresses (there can be other adresses behind it)?
[06:31] <nikkia> _frank, well, i request a /48 block of addresses
[06:31] <nikkia> which means i get 65536 nodes to use on my network, each of them globally visible
[06:31] <nikkia> well, 65535 probably, perhaps even 65534 :)
[06:31] <_frank> nikkia: is that equivalent to having 65536 Ipv4 adresses to yourself?
[06:31] <nikkia> erm, wait, no, more than that
[06:32] <nikkia> 2^80 addresses  :)
[06:32] <Haffe> nikkia, Does that require installing additional servers?
[06:32] <nikkia> Haffe: not per se, no
[06:32] <nikkia> haffe, its an option in kcontrol, it uses webdav i think, i'm not sure
[06:32] <Haffe> Ok.
[06:34] <dragoran> hi
[06:34] <dragoran> i dont knew about konversation :)
[06:34] <nikkia> actually, i thought it was in kcontrol, but don't see it anywhere
[06:36] <Chousuke> The problem with IPv6 is that the addresses are difficult to remember :P
[06:42] <Raptoid> selamlar.
[06:45] <nikkia> Chousuke: who remembers raw addresses these days ?
[06:46] <Chousuke> Well, yeah.
[06:47] <nikkia> and since IPv6 can easily delegate reverse DNS as well as forward, that bit is easier too :P
[06:59] <Chousuke> "the Firewall also has DoS-support" :P
[07:10] <luminerd> How do I get into firefox?
[07:17] <_frank> do you have it installed?
[07:19] <_andrea> HOla
[08:07] <Eliteforce> hi
[08:07] <jpatrick> hi
[08:07] <Eliteforce> where can i get the latest kubuntu version from?
[08:07] <jpatrick> the website
[08:08] <Eliteforce> and why is there a shop? i thought its free
[08:08] <jpatrick> That's if you want to order a CD
[08:08] <jpatrick> or DVD
[08:08] <Eliteforce> but i thought ubuntu is for free
[08:09] <jpatrick> it is
[08:09] <Eliteforce> http://shipit.ubuntulinux.org/
[08:09] <Fra|way> Shipping costs. :P
[08:09] <jpatrick> Kubuntu doesn't have shipit
[08:09] <Eliteforce> "We will cover the cost of shipping the CDs to you as well"
[08:09] <Eliteforce> aha
[08:10] <jpatrick> someones got to pay
[08:10] <Eliteforce> and where can i get an install cd with the latest kde?
[08:10] <Eliteforce> 3.4.2
[08:10] <jpatrick> www.kubuntu.org
[08:10] <Eliteforce> where?
[08:11] <jpatrick> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[08:12] <Eliteforce> that doesnt have kde 3.4.2 i think
[08:12] <jpatrick> so download it later
[08:12] <Eliteforce> why is there no install cd with 3.4.2 ?
[08:12] <Eliteforce> just the livecd: http://www.kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[08:12] <jpatrick> *shrugs*
[08:13] <fromoze> there's no install cd because next release is breezy :)
[08:13] <fromoze> actual release of kubuntu is hoary, with kde 3.4 . But with updates you can get kde 3.4.2
[08:14] <jpatrick> or 3.4.1
[08:14] <fromoze> jpatrick: ++
[08:15] <jpatrick> Doesn't the live CD have an install feature?
[08:16] <fromoze> not yet
[08:16] <jpatrick> o.O
[08:16] <fromoze> I dunno if breezy live will be installer to.. 
[08:16] <jpatrick> i read on the forums that it did
[08:16] <Eliteforce> so if i want to install the latest kde on a pc without internet connection?
[08:17] <bjv> ok, say a friend of mine were to get mad at his xorg install..
[08:17] <bjv> and maybe apt-get remove xserver-xorg -y; apt-get install xserver-xorg -y
[08:17] <bjv> ..
[08:17] <bjv> how borked would his kubuntu config be after it finishes?
[08:17] <luminerd> HowWhat directory should I put my KDE icon theme into?
[08:18] <fromoze> Eliteforce: download the packages of the repository an put them in a cd by hand :)
[08:18] <fromoze> for example
[08:18] <jpatrick> KDE icon theme?
[08:18] <bjv> probably somewhere under  ~/.kde/
[08:18] <jpatrick> you can do it from the Control Centre
[08:21] <Eliteforce> hmm
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, no...
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, I got one from KDE-Look
[08:21] <luminerd> jpatrick, what directory shall I put the icons in?
[08:22] <jpatrick> go to the Control Centre -> then icons
[08:22] <luminerd> so that I can use the control center thing
[08:22] <luminerd> ...dude yea but where do I put the icons I downloaded?
[08:22] <jpatrick> leave them
[08:22] <luminerd> on my desktop? no thanks...I'll sooner make /icons
[08:22] <luminerd> lol
[08:23] <jpatrick> go to the Control Centre -> Appearence and Themes -> Icons -> Install New Icon Pack
[08:23] <luminerd> jpatrick, dude, yes, I know that
[08:23] <jpatrick> so...
[08:23] <luminerd> but I have to put them somewhere!
[08:23] <jpatrick> in your home folder
[08:23] <luminerd> I'm not keeping them on my desktop forever!
[08:23] <luminerd> they have to go somwhere
[08:24] <luminerd> let me put it this way
[08:24] <jpatrick> did you unzip them?
[08:24] <luminerd> where is the crystal SVG icon theme?
[08:24] <luminerd> yea I unzipped them
[08:24] <jpatrick> well you shouldn't
[08:25] <luminerd> jpatrick, oh...
[08:25] <luminerd> well still
[08:25] <jpatrick> You should click on 'Install New Theme' then select the zip folder
[08:25] <luminerd> where do I put it?
[08:25] <luminerd> oh
[08:25] <luminerd> then it extracts it on its own and puts it there?
[08:25] <jpatrick> yes
[08:26] <luminerd> oooh
[08:26] <luminerd> ok heh
[08:26] <luminerd> sorry
[08:26] <jpatrick> ahhh
[08:26] <luminerd> lol
[08:26] <jpatrick> what icon theme was it?
[08:26] <luminerd> in that case where does it install them to?
[08:26] <luminerd> I need to change the K-Menu button...
[08:26] <luminerd> called Black and White
[08:26] <luminerd> by carpelinx
[08:27] <jpatrick> I like Crystal Clear
[08:27] <jpatrick> and Nuvola
[08:28] <jpatrick> it installs it to: /home/<yourname>/.kde/share/icons
[08:29] <bjv> (14:18:16) bjv: probably somewhere under  ~/.kde/          -_-
[08:29] <luminerd> thanks jpatrick :D
[08:30] <luminerd> thanks bjv lol
[08:30] <jpatrick> :D
[08:30] <jpatrick> I just wish that Crystal Clear had a download_folder icon
[08:31] <luminerd> jpatrick, make it
[08:31] <EasterSunshine> jpatrick: make one?
[08:31] <luminerd> :D
[08:31] <jpatrick> :p
[08:32] <jpatrick> not much of an artist
[08:32] <EasterSunshine> you can like take two of the already made crystal icons, and put them together using gimp or something maybe
[08:32] <luminerd> hmm
[08:32] <luminerd> my cd won't eject
[08:32] <EasterSunshine> like a big fat green down arrow over the folder
[08:32] <luminerd> how do I force it to?
[08:33] <jpatrick> have you unmounted it?
[08:33] <EasterSunshine> limunderd: take a paper clip, unfold it, and push it into the little hole
[08:33] <luminerd> jpatrick, no, I right clicked>eject
[08:33] <EasterSunshine> oh, i thought you meant it was physially stuck or something
[08:34] <luminerd> heh
[08:34] <luminerd> jpatrick, I tried right click>unmount but it said only root could do that
[08:34] <jpatrick> what?
[08:34] <jpatrick> weird
[08:35] <EasterSunshine> then sudo unmount
[08:36] <jpatrick> sudo unmount /dev/cdrom
[08:36] <jpatrick> ?
[08:36] <luminerd> jpatrick, I need to figure out how not to have to do that
[08:37] <luminerd> it should do this automatically
[08:37] <EasterSunshine> if you can't mount/unmount cdrom without sudo, then you might consider adding an entry to your fstab
[08:38] <luminerd> EasterSunshine, one that would allow the button to work?
[08:38] <EasterSunshine> i think the button wont work if its mounted, so the button will work as long as its unmounted
[08:39] <EasterSunshine> afk
[08:39] <luminerd> How would I make my button work then?
[08:39] <luminerd> even when it's mounted?
[08:40] <jpatrick> I don't really think that's a good idea
[08:40] <luminerd> jpatrick, why?
[08:41] <bjv> ever tried ejecting a mounted floppy?
[08:41] <luminerd> umm..
[08:41] <luminerd> I don't use floppies.
[08:41] <bjv> a mounted device is added into the root filesystem
[08:42] <luminerd> ...
[08:42] <luminerd> and?
[08:42] <bjv> linux doesnt like it when entire branches fall off and disapear without warning.
[08:42] <bjv> those eject buttons are pretty much only connected to to drive, they dont send any signals to the system
[08:43] <bjv> the floppy eject is purely physical, pop. spring shoots it out.
[08:43] <luminerd> well that's lame
[08:43] <luminerd> how do big corporations work with this?
[08:43] <luminerd> I need these idiots to be able to use this system
[08:43] <luminerd> and they are used to pressing a button
[08:43] <luminerd> there better be a way.
[08:44] <bjv> im not familiar with any big corporations that let their employees pop CD's in and out.
[08:44] <luminerd> anyone with a computer uses CDs.
[08:44] <bjv> i am familiar with corporations that dont let you save File #1 to the physical drive.
[08:44] <luminerd> they need to move their files about and listen to music
[08:44] <bjv> corporation, remember?
[08:45] <bjv> no music, network for file moving.
[08:45] <luminerd> uh..
[08:45] <luminerd> what?
[08:45] <luminerd> ok maybe whoever you work for
[08:45] <luminerd> but that's not how we operate
[08:45] <luminerd> Now, I must find out how to get the drive to open.
[08:45] <luminerd> if there is no way then linux is inferior to windows.
[08:46] <bjv> im sure there is an automounting deamon that does just what you want.
[08:46] <bjv> automounters are designed to mount disks as soon as they are asked for, and disconnect them when they fall out of use.
[08:46] <hater2win> linux IS inferior to windows as it is
[08:46] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, is kpdf in KDE 3.4.2 vulnerable to this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=293428#post293428 or just kpdf in kde 3.4.0 ?
[08:47] <luminerd> bjv, disconnect them when they fall out of use?
[08:47] <luminerd> what do you mean?
[08:47] <bjv> automounters are mostly designed for use with NFS shares
[08:48] <bjv> when you stop using the drive for several seconds, it unmounts it.
[08:56] <luminerd> bjv, umm, no such luck.
[09:03] <CarmenSandiego> Is the HP OfficeJet 7400 supported under Kubuntu?
[09:03] <slicslak> CarmenSandiego, take a look at linuxprinting.org
[09:03] <slicslak> anyone here use ie6 with codeweavers wine on linux?  i'm just wondering how close the page rendering is compared to the original ie6
[09:05] <CarmenSandiego> Slicslak, what about the ADF(Automatic Document Feeder)?
[09:05] <slicslak> CarmenSandiego, i don't know anyting about your specific printer, but linuxprinting.org has quite a bit of information, including user experiences etc.
[09:06] <CarmenSandiego> Okay, thank you! :)
[09:12] <cuqui> hola
[09:12] <cuqui> a todos
[09:12] <wincide> cuqui:  #kubuntu-es
[09:13] <wincide> xD
[09:13] <cuqui> jiji
[09:14] <wincide> cuqui: /join #kubuntu-es
[09:17] <frank_> how I can display home directory and trash icons on desktop?
[09:20] <CarmenSandiego> How come when I print a page some of the text becomes bigger, and some of the text is cut off?
[09:31] <jjesse> do you have the wrong driver installed?
[09:33] <luminerd> how do I install a new window decorations theme?
[09:33] <luminerd> it gave me a .deb oO
[09:33] <luminerd> or do I want to get the tar.bz2?
[09:34] <_StarScream> yellow
[09:35] <luminerd> _StarScream, uh..?
[09:35] <_StarScream> i was saying hello
[09:36] <_StarScream> . The other 100 times i've been in this channel and done the same it hasn't caused any confusion, but i apologise
[09:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> luminerd: I always get the .tar.bz2 file. If you get that I can tell you how to install it
[09:36] <luminerd> _StarScream, oh, lol sry
[09:36] <luminerd> _StarScream, I didn't notice you had just joined.  I'm easily confusable.
[09:37] <luminerd> Rogue_Jedi_X, ok cool what now?
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> now you extract it
[09:39] <luminerd> ok
[09:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Done?
[09:39] <luminerd> yes
[09:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Very good. Now go to the folder where it was extracted
[09:40] <luminerd> k
[09:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now type ./configure --prefix="`kde-config --prefix`"
[09:41] <luminerd> oh
[09:41] <luminerd> in a terminal you meant lol
[09:41] <luminerd> I was in konqueror
[09:41] <luminerd> np
[09:41] <luminerd> ok
[09:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right, should've pointed that out, sorry
[09:41] <luminerd> np at all
[09:41] <luminerd> lol
[09:42] <luminerd> I prefer it in here
[09:42] <luminerd> reminds me of my home (slackware)
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Never tried slack
[09:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> But then again, I've only tried RedHat, Mandrake, Ubuntu and Kubuntu so far
[09:42] <luminerd> well I won't say anything about it here heh but if you wish to sometime you could msg me
[09:42] <luminerd> lol
[09:43] <luminerd> oh wow
[09:43] <luminerd> RedHat and Mandriva I'm not fond of
[09:43] <luminerd> anyway
[09:43] <luminerd> is that all?
[09:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is it done?
[09:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No errors?
[09:43] <luminerd> correct
[09:43] <luminerd> oh wait!
[09:43] <luminerd> duh
[09:43] <luminerd> I'm an idiot
[09:44] <luminerd> no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[09:44] <luminerd> I thought kubuntu had gcc
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It does, in synaptic
[09:44] <luminerd> any linux system without gcc is as useful as a rock hooked up to a monitor.
[09:44] <luminerd> synaptic?
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The package manager
[09:44] <luminerd> nothing like symantec I hope?
[09:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Or kynaptic
[09:45] <luminerd> ok so what do I do?
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Good lord, no
[09:45] <luminerd> LOL
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> no symantec here
[09:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Open synaptic or kynaptic and search for the gcc package
[09:45] <luminerd> is there a dif between the two?
[09:46] <luminerd> hmm I don't have gcc in kynaptic
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> One uses KDE and one uses gnome
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And one is better
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You don't?
[09:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't have the repository for it
[09:47] <luminerd> oh ok
[09:48] <luminerd> the kde one is betteR?
[09:48] <luminerd> there's no gcc listed, sure it would be under gcc?
[09:48] <luminerd> I have universe...
[09:48] <luminerd> that's all I know
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme check
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No, the gnome one is actually better
[09:48] <luminerd> I see
[09:48] <luminerd> will it run in KDE?
[09:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Of course
[09:49] <luminerd> command not found
[09:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You don't have it if you have kubuntu
[09:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You got kynaptic
[09:49] <luminerd> oh lol
[09:49] <luminerd> k
[09:50] <luminerd> anyway Rogue_Jedi_X can I just aptitude gcc?
[09:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Probably
[09:50] <seaLne> yeah
[09:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have tons of gcc packages over here
[09:50] <apokryphos> sudo apt-get install build-essential
[09:51] <luminerd> ok got it
[09:51] <luminerd> prob
[09:51] <luminerd> when I did the ./configure thing
[09:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I keep forgeting that one. Thanks, apokryphos 
[09:51] <luminerd> it ran into error: c++ preprocessor /lib/cpp fails sanity check
[09:51] <luminerd> apokryphos, what's that?
[09:52] <luminerd> should I run that?
[09:52] <Lausi> Hallihallo
[09:52] <apokryphos> info build-essential
[09:52] <apokryphos> !info build-essential
[09:52] <ubotu> build-essential: (informational list of build-essential packages), section devel, is optional. Version: 10.1ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 48 kB
[09:52] <apokryphos> Pretty much most things you'll need to compile
[09:52] <luminerd> lol
[09:53] <luminerd> essential, but optional.
[09:53] <luminerd> lol
[09:53] <chx> i have a horrible waiting time for DNS
[09:53] <luminerd> w00t
[09:53] <luminerd> it's runnin
[09:53] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's essential to building, not to running Ubuntu.
[09:53] <luminerd> ok Rogue_Jedi_X do I make, make install"?
[09:53] <chx> I have a NAT'd Win98 box and that is OK
[09:53] <luminerd> apokryphos, indeed, and building is essential to running a computer :P
[09:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Right
[09:53] <chx> it's something in the guts of my Kubuntu box :(
[09:54] <luminerd> wait
[09:54] <luminerd> erro
[09:54] <luminerd> again
[09:54] <apokryphos> luminerd: nope, not at all, for many.
[09:54] <luminerd> can't find x includes
[09:54] <apokryphos> luminerd: what is it you're trying to install?
[09:54] <apokryphos> libx11-dev
[09:54] <luminerd> please check your installation and add the cofrect paths
[09:54] <luminerd> should I have done as root?
[09:54] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh, a window decoration called crystal
[09:55] <apokryphos> ok
[09:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: make sure you specify the kde prefix when running configure
[09:55] <luminerd> so uh
[09:55] <luminerd> whats up with the x includes
[09:55] <luminerd> apokryphos, I did
[09:55] <apokryphos> luminerd: you will need libx11-dev; you'll also need the kde includes -- kde-devel
[09:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Get the package apokryphos mentioned
[09:56] <luminerd> ./configure --prefix="`kde-config --prefix`"  correct?
[09:56] <luminerd> Rogue_Jedi_X, I got it
[09:56] <luminerd> the essentials?
[09:57] <luminerd> and I need libx11 and kde-devel too right?
[09:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> libx11-dev
[09:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The dev part is important
[09:57] <luminerd> oh heh
[09:57] <apokryphos> luminerd: the configure is correct, though you could just --prefix=/usr -- same thing.
[09:58] <luminerd> kde-devel no existey
[09:58] <apokryphos> enable the Universe repository
[09:58] <luminerd> apokryphos, it is
[09:58] <apokryphos> !info kde-devel
[09:58] <ubotu> kde-devel: (The K Desktop Environment (development files)), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:42ubuntu1 (hoary), Packaged size: 6 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[09:58] <luminerd> libx11-dev worked
[09:58] <apokryphos> It exists :)
[09:58] <luminerd> 40KB!???!  I don't know if I have that much on my hard drive!!!
[09:59] <luminerd> jk lol
[09:59] <luminerd> couldn't find kde-devel though, apokryphos 
[09:59] <apokryphos> It's a metapackage -- it brings in other things.
[09:59] <apokryphos> luminerd: you don't have Universe enabled, then.
[09:59] <luminerd> apokryphos, hmm, well I explicitely remember enabling it but tell me how anyway
[10:00] <apokryphos> uncomment the line with "Universe" in /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:00] <luminerd> it already is, apokryphos 
[10:00] <apokryphos> Though it's probably best if you have all the other extra repositories too; and the ones with kde 3.4.2
[10:01] <luminerd> oh wait
[10:01] <luminerd> all 4 of them?
[10:01] <apokryphos> my sources.list for example: http://giannaros.org/sources.list
[10:01] <luminerd> I thought there were only 2
[10:01] <luminerd> so 2 are uncommented, 2 aren't
[10:01] <apokryphos> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe multiverse  -- that, at least
[10:02] <jjesse> anyone else getting kicked off a lot?
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, it still can't find it
[10:02] <apokryphos> luminerd: are you updating apt before you're searching?
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, do I need this for something as simple as a window decor lol
[10:02] <luminerd> apokryphos, oh, no, apt-get update?
[10:03] <apokryphos> Well, this is basic stuff -- after you'll be able to install a superfluity of things very easily
[10:03] <apokryphos> and yes, you have to apt-get update after every alteration of sources.list if you want it to apply
[10:03] <luminerd> ok well
[10:03] <luminerd> ok
[10:03] <luminerd> got it
[10:03] <luminerd> sweet
[10:04] <luminerd> oh wow
[10:04] <luminerd> 2%
[10:05] <luminerd> apokryphos, so after this I won't get the error?
[10:06] <apokryphos> luminerd: what error?
[10:07] <apokryphos> libx11-dev is the X includes, so if you install that, you won't get the X includes error upon compiling
[10:07] <luminerd> apokryphos, the X error I got..1 sec
[10:07] <luminerd> oh good
[10:07] <luminerd> apokryphos, any more major packages I need?  I'll be on a very slow net connection in a few minutes.
[10:08] <_StarScream> apokryphos: sorry to bug you, is "Network settings ignoring sudo" a known issue with kubuntu do you know?
[10:08] <apokryphos> There's plenty other decent apps to install, always. :)
[10:08] <apokryphos> _StarScream: not quite sure what you mean
[10:08] <luminerd> fux0rs
[10:08] <luminerd> ok problem
[10:08] <luminerd> sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
[10:09] <seaLne> _StarScream: the admin functions in kcontrol don't work in older versions of kde
[10:09] <_StarScream> seaLne: as in hoary?
[10:09] <apokryphos> _StarScream: if you're talking about admin kcontrol, then you shoudl either update or kdesu kcontrol
[10:09] <seaLne> yeah try the ones in the /topic
[10:10] <luminerd> apokryphos, any ideas?/'
[10:10] <luminerd> oops
[10:10] <_StarScream> seaLne: hmm you know i didn't even realise it was kde 3.4.0...i just assumed from the "new" Kmenu icon it was 3.4
[10:10] <_StarScream> 3.4.2 rather
[10:10] <apokryphos> luminerd: what is the error? 
[10:10] <luminerd> sub process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code
[10:11] <apokryphos> _StarScream: x.x.y is normally a bugfix on the x.x release
[10:11] <apokryphos> luminerd: yes, what is the error? :)
[10:11] <apokryphos> ...that it returned
[10:12] <Riddell> hussam: kpdf in 3.4.2 is not affected
[10:12] <_StarScream> apokryphos: in that case, wouldn't it make sense for 3.4.2 to be added to hoary?
[10:12] <apokryphos> _StarScream: added? Hoary has already been released
[10:12] <luminerd> apokryphos, ...that is the error
[10:13] <apokryphos> luminerd: can you pastebin the whole output?
[10:13] <luminerd> apokryphos, that's the last line
[10:13] <_StarScream> apokryphos: well "updated" i.e new packages added as an update
[10:13] <apokryphos> _StarScream: it wouldn't go into main unless it was a security issue, generally. It could rightly go into backports
[10:13] <luminerd> errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs-data_4%3a3.4.0-0ubuntu3.3_all.deb
[10:14] <apokryphos> luminerd: add the 3.4.2 repository and update your kde
[10:14] <luminerd> E: sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[10:14] <luminerd> apokryphos, how so?
[10:14] <luminerd> all the lines are uncommented now
[10:14] <apokryphos> luminerd: it's in /topic -- add it to sources.list, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:16] <luminerd> apokryphos, uh, which one...theres lots of urls none look like the other ones in sources.list
[10:16] <apokryphos> luminerd: maybe the part that says "KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php "
[10:16] <seaLne> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[10:16] <apokryphos> go to that URL for the info
[10:17] <luminerd> thanks
[10:19] <dgibb> anyone know when the kdebindings for ruby will be packaged?
[10:19] <seaLne> they are in breezy, i don't have a hoary box to hand
[10:20] <luminerd> apokryphos, what did you mean by update my kde?
[10:20] <luminerd> my kde-devel?
[10:20] <seaLne> dgibb: libkorundum0-ruby1.8 in breezy
[10:20] <apokryphos> luminerd: no, you add the sources then sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:20] <seaLne> check in hoary for it
[10:21] <dgibb> seaLne: sweet, I'll check it out
[10:21] <luminerd> apokryphos, ok
[10:21] <_StarScream> seaLne: the 3.4.2 packages above aren't available for PPC
[10:21] <_StarScream> :(
[10:22] <seaLne> awww :(
[10:22] <seaLne> wonder why
[10:22] <dgibb> how 'unstable' is breezy anyway?
[10:22] <seaLne> is that package not in hoary?
[10:22] <luminerd> screwy
[10:22] <luminerd> it won't let me update.
[10:22] <luminerd> that sucks
[10:23] <luminerd> I gtota go
[10:23] <luminerd> bbl
[10:23] <dgibb> seaLne: nope
[10:23] <dgibb> would it work if I used that package from breezy but kept everything else with hoary?
[10:24] <seaLne> Version: 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1
[10:24] <seaLne> Depends: libqt0-ruby1.8 (= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-9), libruby1.8 (>= 1.8.2-9), libsmokekde1 (>= 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.1)
[10:24] <seaLne> check your versions of those in hoary
[10:25] <seaLne> Korundum is really nice btw i started playing with it this morning
[10:26] <apokryphos> dgibb: pretty unstable
[10:27] <seaLne> probably not any worse than sid
[10:27] <dgibb> hmm. libqt0-ruby1.8: state: not a real package. 
[10:27] <seaLne> ah thats sort of part of it aswell
[10:28] <mek> hiya people...anybody getting an Saitek x45 joystick to work with the 2.6 kernel?????
[10:29] <dgibb> Seveas: do you think the easiest way to get going is just to upgrade to breezy?
[10:29] <seaLne> could cause you alot of problems
[10:29] <dgibb> s/Seveas/seaLne
[10:29] <dgibb> sealne: that's not what I wanted to hear... ;(
[10:29] <seaLne> apart from libkorundum0-ruby1.8 and libqt0-ruby1.8 are the others there?
[10:33] <dgibb> libc6: 2.3.2 libgcc1:1:4.0.0pre6 libruby1.8:1.8.1 libsmokekde:3.4.0 libstdc++6:4.0.0
[10:34] <dgibb> so, no
[10:34] <dgibb> or yes, but need upgrading
[10:34] <Phantom^^> whats better parted or fdisk ?
[10:34] <seaLne> i like fdisk but it depends what you are used to
[10:35] <Phantom^^> hmm right now i need to find the mount point of all my other drives are 
[10:35] <Phantom^^> and mount this one
[10:36] <seaLne> do they not show up in media:/
[10:36] <Phantom^^> yeah it does
[10:36] <Phantom^^> i jsut tried
[10:37] <Phantom^^> i think i need to make an entry in fstab
[10:37] <Phantom^^> cos it says that one does not exist
[10:38] <Phantom^^> does it matter where i put a mount point ?
[10:38] <dgibb> sealne: so what would you recommend as the best way to start playing with ruby+kde?
[10:39] <seaLne> have you looked at the tutorials?
[10:39] <seaLne> bottom of http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html which is also worth reading
[10:40] <dgibb> sealne: sorry, which tutorials?
[10:40] <seaLne> bottom of http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/ruby/index.html which is also worth reading
[10:42] <dgibb> sealne: so you're saying I should build from source
[10:43] <seaLne> no just suggesting you read the tutorials if you want to learn more about korundum
[10:43] <seaLne> i'm going to avoid recomending either upgrading to breezy or compiling from source in case you blaim me if it dosen't work :)
[10:44] <seaLne> it kind of depends what all you us the machine for
[10:44] <dgibb> sealne: I love ruby and love kde, so I have no doubt that I want korundrum. I'm just wondering whether building from source, upgrading my full system, or partially upgrading would be best
[10:45] <dgibb> you know, regular: music, movies, email, and programming
[10:45] <dgibb> sealne: I used to use debian sid, if that tells you anything
[10:45] <seaLne> if you don't mind the od problem you should probably find breezy ok and you get to help sort out bugs before everyone else starts using it
[10:45] <seaLne> dgibb: then probably fine
[10:46] <seaLne> just hard to tell what level people are at in here :)
[10:46] <dgibb> I'll give it a shot then. thanks for your time ;)
[10:47] <seaLne> i had to manually add hal to some groups during the upgrade
[10:47] <dgibb> add hal?
[10:47] <seaLne> the user hal
[10:47] <dgibb> ah ;)
[10:48] <dgibb> which groups?
[10:49] <dgibb> if you remember...
[10:49] <seaLne> cdrom and floppy but see if it complains first
[10:49] <dgibb> k
[10:49] <seaLne> i just replaced all "hoary" with "breezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and di an apt-get update&&apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:50] <seaLne> fair amount to install depending on your connection speed
[10:51] <dgibb> is the dist-upgrade necessary? I was thinking of just trying to install korundum, and let it sort out the dependencies
[10:51] <seaLne> maybe that will work *shrug* :)
[10:53] <dgibb> wow: 67 packages upgraded, 90 newly installed, 388 to remove, and 553 not upgraded
[10:53] <dgibb> maybe i should dist-upgrade
[10:55] <dgibb> anyway, thanks for your help
[10:56] <seaLne> good luck
[11:06] <zakili> hi to all
[11:18] <Phantom^^> hey guys if i wanted to copy a directroy and all its sub folders and files from one directory to another, which i need root privaledges to be able to do, how do i do it ?
[11:18] <brk3> Phantom^^: dont see why youd need root unless the folder is owned by root
[11:20] <Phantom^^> yesh i intalled a new drive formatted it partitioned it etc ... and now i need root acces to be able to use it
[11:20] <nmorse> Then your /etc/fstab entry might be wrong.
[11:20] <Phantom^^> ahh ok
[11:20] <Phantom^^> ill get rid of all the options
[11:20] <nmorse> Add user to the list of options
[11:20] <Phantom^^> what like defualt,user ...
[11:20] <nmorse> Yeah.
[11:20] <EasterSunshine> user=you, group=your_group, umask = 022
[11:21] <nmorse> Though that may imply noexec
[11:22] <Phantom^^> ok well lets jsut say if i delete all the options
[11:22] <Phantom^^> and leave it black
[11:22] <Phantom^^> will i have access then ?
[11:22] <nmorse> No.
[11:22] <nmorse> You'll need the user option for sure.
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
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[11:22] <Phantom^^> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
[11:22] <nmorse> I think he pasted the wrong thing.
[11:22] <nmorse> Dadgum Klipper.
[11:22] <Phantom^^> <meta name="Generator" content="Kate, the KDE Advanced Text Editor" />
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[11:23] <Phantom^^> defaults,errors=remount-ro </pre></body>
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[11:23] <Phantom^^> eek
[11:23] <nmorse> Use pastebin.
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is there a good WYSIWYG webpage designer for Linux? Besides Mozilla composer?
[11:23] <nmorse> Pastebin.ca is the site you'll need.
[11:23] <nmorse> Nvu?
[11:23] <nmorse> No wait, that's a standalone Mozilla Composer.
[11:23] <Phantom^^> am i still alive ?
[11:24] <nmorse> Quanta Plus has a visual mode.
[11:24] <nmorse> Yes, Phantom^^ 
[11:24] <Phantom^^> might not be for long im gonna try this again
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think I actually have Q+. Lemme check
[11:24] <nmorse> Use pastebin.ca
[11:24] <Phantom^^> defaults,errors=remount-ro
[11:24] <Phantom^^> phew
[11:24] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:24] <nmorse> Add user to that list.
[11:24] <Phantom^^> thats whats under options
[11:24] <nmorse> Add user to options. That'll let you mount it as non-root.
[11:24] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoa o_O
[11:25] <Phantom^^> ok i guess ill umount in
[11:25] <Phantom^^> whats the command to unmount
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> This Quanta Plus is gonna take some getting used to. Look at all those buttons!
[11:25] <nmorse> umount.
[11:25] <Phantom^^> ok
[11:25] <nmorse> Rogue_Jedi_X: It's very powerful. I use it myself.
[11:26] <nmorse> Once you read the documentation or just play around with it, you'll figure out what you need though.
[11:26] <seth_k> Q+ owns
[11:26] <Phantom^^> hmm seems like its buisy guess ill have to reboot
[11:26] <Phantom^^> brb
[11:26] <seth_k> although I can't get it to open new documents in the same window, even passing the correct parameter. It opens a new instance for each document I click
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool
[11:27] <nmorse> Hmm, anyone know any good Neverwinter Nights mods for epic characters?
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now all I need is to learn how to make a decent drawing in Gimp and master Q+
[11:27] <nmorse> I hate the GIMP.
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Piece of cake x_x
[11:28] <nmorse> It does everything I need, but its interface is actrocious.
[11:28] <nmorse> Except CMYK.
[11:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just hate how it opens so many windows
[11:28] <nmorse> No one has good CMYK on Linux but the Scribus people.
[11:28] <nmorse> Krita should have CMYK next release hopefully, though.
[11:29] <nmorse> Rogue_Jedi_X: Try Krita. It's like sanitized photoshop, really easy to use.
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is it in synaptic?
[11:29] <nmorse> It's part of KOffice 1.4
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> or do I need to add an extra repository
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, nice
[11:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been thinking of ditching Oo.o anyway
[11:30] <nmorse> I don't really like KWord that much.
[11:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just don't use that much office applications myself
[11:32] <seth_k> I'm an OO.o fan, it may be slow but it's not like you have to relaunch it that much
[11:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's going to be new in Oo.o2?
[11:37] <Phantom^^> hmmm
[11:38] <Phantom^^> this is what is there now "/dev/hdb1       /new            ext3    defaults,user  0       1" and i still can't get access as a user :(
[11:41] <nmorse> Hmm.
[11:41] <nmorse> Why is it 0    1 ?
[11:41] <nmorse> Isn't it normally 0 0?
[11:42] <Phantom^^> what do the numbers mean ? i copied the info from my first main partition that kubuntu setup
[11:42] <nmorse> Hmm.
[11:42] <nmorse> I don't really know what they man as 'man /etc/fstab' displays my fstab file.
[11:43] <nmorse> Another bit of useful documentation on the part of the GNU project.
[11:43] <Phantom^^> hehe
[11:43] <seth_k> 0 1 is right
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is the command line for running Krita, krita or is it something else?
[11:43] <seth_k> the 1 bit is auto-fsck
[11:43] <seth_k> man fstab
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Because I don't think I got it
[11:44] <nmorse> What version of KOffice do you have?
[11:44] <nmorse> The default with Kubuntu is 1.3.5, you have to look at the listing for 1.4.1 in the topic.
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 1.3.5
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah
[11:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks
[11:44] <Phantom^^> will something require root access if it is mounted from the root directory ?
[11:45] <nmorse> Phantom^^: I usually just tell it to automount the drive as something like /bak
[11:46] <nmorse> If the permissions on the files inside are fine it normally works for me.
[11:46] <nmorse> Anyway, time for me to go.
[11:51] <McScruff> lo, i get a NSIS error, "Error Writing temperary File. Make sure tour yemp folder is valid" when i try to run something in wine
[12:02] <George> Phantom^^: so you're harrassing them in here?