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| Madpilot | anyone here? | 03:47 |
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| HrdwrBoB | vaguely | 03:48 |
| Madpilot | that's about how I'm here, too... ;) | 03:48 |
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| Burgundavia | hello | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: hi | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | did you see the draft I threw up | 06:36 |
| Burgundavia | very rough | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | let me check | 06:36 |
| jsgotangco | svn? | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | no wiki | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | ahh right | 06:37 |
| Madpilot | the draft quickguide? looks OK | 06:37 |
| jsgotangco | QuickTour? | 06:37 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 06:38 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: check RecentChanges, I added a bunch of search-engine-bait pages to Restricted | 06:38 |
| Burgundavia | cool | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | thanks | 06:39 |
| Burgundavia | make rm a disambig | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | hehe I LIKE IT | 06:39 |
| jsgotangco | marketing types will be happy with it | 06:40 |
| Madpilot | it's a good brochure page | 06:41 |
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| Madpilot | anyone awake over here? | 09:16 |
| jsgotangco | zzz | 09:16 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:17 |
| jsgotangco | you can always holler Burgundavia he rarely sleeps | 09:17 |
| Burgundavia | hey | 09:18 |
| Burgundavia | check out quicktour right now | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | hi Madpilot. | 09:19 |
| highvoltage | i got up very early this morning. | 09:19 |
| jsgotangco | QuickTourDraft? | 09:20 |
| Madpilot | it's what, 0500 in South Africa? 0600? | 09:20 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yes | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | it's 09:20 now. | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | i woke up at 4:25 | 09:20 |
| highvoltage | which is about 5 hours ago :) | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | feels like it's time for lunch already... | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | hmm, I'd thought RSA was behind Zulu/UTM. nevermind! | 09:21 |
| highvoltage | nope, GMT+2. we're with the germans :) | 09:21 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: you can probably ask mpt's opinion on they layout | 09:22 |
| jsgotangco | it looks like a chessboard to me | 09:22 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | hopefully I can tweak it to be better spaced | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | it's ironic that you have to go back to table-layout hacks in wikis - no nice CSS layouts there! | 09:23 |
| Madpilot | how very 1990s... | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | if its possible to simulate a mediawiki style picture box/caption, it could probably work | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, I cannot see on this page how he turn off the border --> http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html | 09:23 |
| jsgotangco | although it would entail very serious css/xslt play on the source | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | if its bound to be sourced anyways | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | I am almost created this page as a subpage of my wikipedia user page | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | s/am almost/almost | 09:24 |
| jsgotangco | since docbook is not presentation-centic as a format | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | "border=0" works on both CSS & tables. | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | but I haven't looked at the source of either page | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | gah | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | leave it as is | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | i would suggest adding power tools/usage though | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | I need to mention the services and about me | 09:26 |
| Burgundavia | and then play with the order | 09:26 |
| jsgotangco | the power stuff should be at the end | 09:27 |
| highvoltage | Madpilot: the table hacks on wikis suck :( | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | the showstoppers at the top | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | I am going to move the laptop support stuff to the top | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | or near it, I should say | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | yep | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | is beagle to be included? | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | no idea yet | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | last i heard it was in danger of being not included | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | it is | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | should I mention menu-editing? | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | nasty deps? | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | no, not mature enough | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | smeg is ubuntu-specific so yeah why not | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | should give credit to Amaranth for that | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | he worked so hard for that app | 09:29 |
| Madpilot | http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html <-- this is an odd mix of tables & CSS | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | it looks good | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | the tables should probably be divs | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | he floats the images, but uses table cells to enforce the rest of the layout | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | it works though | 09:30 |
| Madpilot | yeah, it does work. Pure CSS would be a bit better, but I'm a purist... :) | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: its also a good idea to have different image sizes, although all of them should be a rectangle | 09:31 |
| Burgundavia | probably | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm does A9 toolbar look evil to you? | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | a9? | 09:33 |
| jsgotangco | the amazon search engine | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | i like it because i can show a wikipedia result at the same time | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | nice sample of AJAX cleverness | 09:34 |
| Burgundavia | my bloody left mouse button is dying | 09:34 |
| Madpilot | switch to a left-handed mouse layout, then left button = right button, therefore used slightly less! | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | right, I mean left | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | ;) | 09:35 |
| Madpilot | then get a job, so you can buy a new mouse... | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | ouch | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | we have from the 25th of august to the 8th of sept to take all screenshots | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 09:36 |
| jsgotangco | pressure mounts | 09:36 |
| Burgundavia | and one month to finish writing | 09:37 |
| Madpilot | that's going to be a busy week... | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | we are very much behind | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | don't think so | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | well ok im very much behind on cookbook | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | well, you did just start | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think userguide is shippable | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | any kde stuff shippable? | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | the faqguide is | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | so we end up with quicktour and faqguide | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | then we ship the faqguide as default yelp homepage | 09:38 |
| Madpilot | how do you upload a pic to the U wiki? I want to stick a terminal window screenie in BasicCommands | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | more actions drop down | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | kde no idea it seemed to have lost steam when i turned over kubuntu quickguide | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | and froud vanished into thin air | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | although he is writing a book about ubuntu | 09:39 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: "More Actions - Attachments"? | 09:39 |
| jsgotangco | but i think quick tour and faqguide are good enough | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, yes | 09:39 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yes | 09:39 |
| Madpilot | thanks. now I need to reset my desktop to default for the screenshot... | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, xnest | 09:40 |
| Madpilot | x-what? | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | install xnest | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | then create another user | 09:40 |
| Burgundavia | and login with them in xnest | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | in a deeper thought, the next focus is harness existing docs and have them seen approriately instead of writing more docs | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | to be honest, after people graduate fromt eh faq, they are likely to know how to google | 09:41 |
| Madpilot | gack. easier just to switch Gnome's themes briefly! interesting thought, tho | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: right | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, if you are going to be taking more screenshots, it is worth it | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | its quite easy but can take time | 09:42 |
| Madpilot | just one terminal one right now... xnest can wait | 09:42 |
| Burgundavia | Microsoft buys in Wal-Mart talent <-- that sums up the current state of MS right there | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | The Ubuntu Express installer that is being developed (and hopefully will | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | be the default Breezy installer) includes such functionality. | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | Ubuntu and any derived distro will be able to define a collection of | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | images to be shown during the 15 minutes (aprox) of installation. This | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | can be a combination of a GNOME tour (KDE tour for Kubuntu) plus | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | highlights of the main applications that are being installed. | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | sorry for the flood | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | we need to plan for this | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | ojeda's email? | 09:45 |
| jsgotangco | oh installer | 09:45 |
| Burgundavia | to ubuntu-devel from Quim gil | 09:45 |
| Madpilot | XP does something similar, doesn't it? | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | last time we installed XP, I seem to recall we went out for beer while it was grinding away... | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | do we want that stuff to be the quick tour? | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | that is about 15 minutes of stuff I have | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | 45 secs each | 09:47 |
| Burgundavia | mentioned our effort in that thread | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | i think its only applicable in an installer guide instead of a quick tour | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | our quick tour? | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | not really | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | makes a good marketing webpage as well | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | ala the davyd thing and that other one | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | but your quicktour can only bee seen once installed | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | unless you publish it on a page | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | or a pdf | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | I intend to | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | its useful in a brochure though | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | and each distinct section could go in that installer | 09:50 |
| Burgundavia | not perfect, but good enough for breezy | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | would it be nice on 1st boot the quick tour opens | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | that would be nice | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | maybe hack the upgrader to show the same thing? | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | good idea i totally forgot about upgrade paths | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | don't know if it is doable at this late stage | 09:52 |
| Madpilot | which Help page has the images stuff? | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | attachment:YourImage.png | 09:52 |
| Burgundavia | that adds it | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | images are specific to one page, unlike mediawiki | 09:53 |
| Madpilot | got that - what about formatting and stuff? float:right;border:0 and all that? | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | HelpOnTables | 09:53 |
| Madpilot | thanks | 09:54 |
| Madpilot | dog, what a *hack* wiki markup is. can't we just use normal XHTML/CSS tags? please? | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | mediawiki markup is quite nice | 09:58 |
| jsgotangco | yes | 09:58 |
| Madpilot | I'd be done this image insertion already if I could use real markup! | 09:58 |
| jsgotangco | although moin can be simpler | 09:58 |
| Burgundavia | much less hacky | 09:58 |
| Madpilot | is the only way to float:right with an image to stick it into a table? | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | you can probably go back to zwiki hell though | 09:59 |
| Madpilot | I can't see how I associate the attachment:image bit with actual markup... | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | you need to wrap the attachment in a table | 09:59 |
| Burgundavia | and then style that | 09:59 |
| Madpilot | you're kidding? what a horrible hack | 09:59 |
| jsgotangco | its the wikiwiki way | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | no, it is the moin way | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | oh right | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | mediawiki has nicer image sytling | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, speak of the devil, sean returns | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | styling | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | wa? | 10:00 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, check you inbox | 10:01 |
| Madpilot | bah. styling later. there's a screenshot here now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicCommands | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | he's fixing the userguide | 10:01 |
| jsgotangco | kde userguide | 10:01 |
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| Burgundavia | hey | 10:08 |
| jdub | ahr | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | aye | 10:08 |
| jdub | dudes, i am excited :) | 10:08 |
| jdub | this is so much what the quickguide should be :-) | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | desktop showstoppers | 10:08 |
| jsgotangco | yeah total rewrite | 10:09 |
| Burgundavia | the idea had been percolating through my head since we talked jdub | 10:09 |
| jsgotangco | i got convinced further when Burgundavia showed me the linuxguy.biz link | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | I was lucky that jsgotangco bought into the idea | 10:10 |
| jdub | who is linuxguy.biz? | 10:10 |
| Burgundavia | http://linuxguy.biz/screenshots.html | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | he sells ubuntu to non-techies | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | our parents, sisters, brothers, etc. | 10:11 |
| jdub | yeah, 'cos that page is rad | 10:11 |
| jdub | so for the tour, "intuitive interface" is a bit too generic | 10:11 |
| Burgundavia | I would buy ubuntu if I saw that page | 10:11 |
| jdub | perhaps it would be good to split up the tour into two parts | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | "clear menus" | 10:12 |
| jdub | 1. general ubuntu benefits (probably ongoing) | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntu in general and new in breezy? | 10:12 |
| jsgotangco | basic/advanced? | 10:12 |
| jdub | 2. new release benefits (changing with each release) | 10:12 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 10:12 |
| jdub | so 1. would include "easy software update" | 10:13 |
| Burgundavia | it sort of is, but I haven't really fleshed that out | 10:13 |
| jsgotangco | 2. can also serve as a changelog / whats new page? | 10:13 |
| Madpilot | Hmmm. General Ubuntu Benefits: 1. Free. 2. Free. 3. Have we mentioned that it's Free? ;) | 10:13 |
| Madpilot | sorry, I'll go back to Minesweeper now... | 10:13 |
| jdub | Madpilot: yes, the "ubuntu commitment" could be one whole page | 10:13 |
| jdub | and that's definitely ubuntu-benefit-ongoing :-) | 10:14 |
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| jdub | Burgundavia: perhaps writing out the list of benefits would be a good start | 10:14 |
| jdub | just as simple bullet points | 10:14 |
| jsgotangco | hmm lycoris did something similar like this before | 10:15 |
| jdub | we could start with BreezyGoals | 10:15 |
| jdub | - edubuntu -> not really an ubuntu user benefit | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:16 |
| jsgotangco | Bluetooth support | 10:16 |
| jdub | + laptopmission -> "ubuntu works great on your laptop hardware!" | 10:16 |
| jdub | - oeminstaller -> not really an ubuntu user benefit | 10:17 |
| jdub | + thinclientintegration -> "run thin clients out of the box! <see documentation>" | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | added to the list of Todo | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | further stuff? | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, I had thought of moving the latop stuff to a prominent section | 10:17 |
| Burgundavia | but am unsure about features that might not make it (nm and gnome-power) | 10:17 |
| jdub | +/- launchpadintegration -> hrm, could be pimped as user benefit, contribute to ubuntu, etc | 10:18 |
| jdub | + audiocdburning -> serpentine is a good feature in general | 10:18 |
| jdub | - audioinfrastructure -> not really a user benefit ("huh? sound works? well, ah, great... i guess") | 10:18 |
| Burgundavia | might be worth a one liner | 10:18 |
| jdub | + bluetoothsupport -> ubuntu talks to your phone | 10:19 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: not really, it rarely pays to talk about expectations as benefits ;) | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | is that going to make it? | 10:19 |
| jdub | dunno | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:19 |
| Burgundavia | I am in a bind, because of the stuff that might not make it | 10:20 |
| jdub | yeah | 10:20 |
| jdub | work with janew on that | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:20 |
| jdub | will be good for pressure ;) | 10:20 |
| jdub | anyway, so goals page is a good place to start for 2nd group stuff | 10:20 |
| jdub | the new gnome features can also be helpful | 10:20 |
| jdub | improved file management is a good one from 2.12 | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | I cribbed quite heavily from davyds excellent stuff | 10:21 |
| Burgundavia | gnome should promote his work more | 10:21 |
| jdub | quite a few of linuxguy ones fit into the 1st group | 10:21 |
| jdub | for instance, gaim should always be in there as a user benefit | 10:21 |
| jdub | "talk to ALL your friends in one easy to use interface" | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 10:22 |
| jdub | OOo is a good one | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | already there | 10:22 |
| jdub | a page about GNOME in general | 10:22 |
| Burgundavia | "the power of gnome"? | 10:22 |
| jdub | good ones already about software management and installation | 10:22 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: perhaps push the usability, accessibility and i18n benefits | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | glad niran didn't go awol on that | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | automatic updateds and stuff | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | "built on the highly usable and powerful Gnome desktop?" | 10:23 |
| jsgotangco | mednu editing? | 10:23 |
| Burgundavia | s/?"/'? | 10:23 |
| jdub | also flagging some of these things as available for windows *right off the live cd* would be cool | 10:23 |
| jdub | Burgundavia: powerful doesn't mean anything, easier not to say it :) | 10:23 |
| jdub | see www.gnome.org/about/ | 10:24 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: hard to sell expectation as a benefit :) | 10:24 |
| Burgundavia | for LanguagePackRoadmap, there is a gui tool now, no? | 10:25 |
| jdub | yeah | 10:25 |
| jdub | haven't seen it yet though | 10:25 |
| jdub | oh, here we go | 10:25 |
| jdub | oof | 10:25 |
| jdub | ouch | 10:25 |
| Burgundavia | pda, soundevents and printing went nowhere? | 10:26 |
| jdub | have you been in touch with linuxguy? | 10:26 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 10:27 |
| jdub | ok | 10:27 |
| jdub | emailing now | 10:27 |
| Burgundavia | what about? | 10:28 |
| jdub | hi, love your page, want to help out in ubuntu/gnome? | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | ah | 10:28 |
| Burgundavia | jdub, language-selector is already there | 10:29 |
| jdub | yeah, i just looked at it (oof, ouch above) | 10:29 |
| jsgotangco | hmm what about photoalbums and stuff | 10:32 |
| jsgotangco | like plugging in a digicam | 10:32 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: a 'just works' hardware angle? | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 10:33 |
| jsgotangco | usb sticks, wlan sticks, etc | 10:33 |
| Burgundavia | is mono a feature? | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | oo2? | 10:34 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 10:34 |
| jdub | OOo is, in general -> "complete office suite, compatible with common document formats" | 10:34 |
| jdub | mono isn't, really | 10:34 |
| jsgotangco | powe user/developer benefits? | 10:34 |
| jdub | jsgotangco: probably best to avoid those, unless they're deeply, deeply cool | 10:35 |
| Burgundavia | has SystemUpgradeTool gone anywhere? | 10:35 |
| jsgotangco | these are mostly desktop showcases at the moment | 10:36 |
| Burgundavia | I have added our notes to the ToDo section at the bottom | 10:38 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, ironically, there is a thread on -devel about dropping the workspace switcher | 10:40 |
| Madpilot | you mean the virtual desktop thingie? | 10:40 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:40 |
| HrdwrBoB | I used to use workspaces - I now use windowshade mode more | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | just for the default desktop, you can still add it after | 10:41 |
| Madpilot | coolest new computer trick going, IMO, and they're going to drop it? | 10:41 |
| HrdwrBoB | Burgundavia: I think that's a good idea | 10:41 |
| Madpilot | ah, OK, provided it's still available to switch on... | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | there are some discoverablity issues | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | and generaly usablity "where has my program gone" ones | 10:41 |
| Madpilot | "discoverability" means "what the heck is this?" | 10:41 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 10:41 |
| HrdwrBoB | but I have some odd views.. like home as desktop :) | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I can see that. I still like it, tho | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | HrdwrBoB: we've argued about that already tonight... | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | ;) | 10:42 |
| HrdwrBoB | yeah :P | 10:42 |
| HrdwrBoB | see http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/#2 for another take on it | 10:43 |
| Madpilot | interesting - I'm still not convinced that it needs doing... | 10:44 |
| HrdwrBoB | it doesn't NEED doing - it's just my opinion that it's better (in that it Makes More Sense) but eh | 10:45 |
| HrdwrBoB | of more interesting note is that if you mouse over an mp3, it starts previewing and when you delete it with the delete key it keeps playing | 10:45 |
| Madpilot | now that's an entertaining bug... heh | 10:46 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, jdub I have to crash. Feel free to add more stuff to the todo/ the page itself or fire an email to the list. | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | ok | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | see you later | 10:46 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 10:55 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: awake? | 11:35 |
| mdke | yes :) | 11:35 |
| mdke | morning | 11:35 |
| jsgotangco | you've been quiet lately :) | 11:36 |
| jsgotangco | its unnatural | 11:36 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, as I said, I'm at the computer less so I'm quieter on irc | 11:37 |
| mdke | but I'm still checking it and emails | 11:37 |
| mdke | is there a meeting tomorrow? | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | gf still around? | 11:39 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, yes | 11:39 |
| mdke | we're both looking for jobs | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | oh god i totally forgot about it | 11:39 |
| mdke | and I'm looking for a house | 11:39 |
| mdke | hence the quiet :) | 11:39 |
| jsgotangco | what you think of the new direction of Quick Tour? | 11:41 |
| mdke | i think it will be a good document | 11:42 |
| mdke | i don't see why it should replace the quickguide | 11:42 |
| mdke | it's totally different | 11:42 |
| mdke | why not make them both? | 11:42 |
| jsgotangco | time | 11:43 |
| mdke | but the quickguide is already done no? | 11:44 |
| jsgotangco | needs thorough editing though | 11:44 |
| mdke | ah | 11:45 |
| mdke | what about the relationship between quick tour and about ubuntu? | 11:45 |
| mdke | the former is to some extent a subset of the latter | 11:45 |
| jsgotangco | if you scrollback it can probably be included in benefit 3 | 11:46 |
| mdke | what is that? | 11:47 |
| mdke | brb | 11:54 |
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| jsgotangco | night | 12:25 |
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| mgalvin | hi all | 04:05 |
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| mpt | hello mgalvin | 04:08 |
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| mgalvin | hey mpt | 04:08 |
| mdke | hiya | 04:09 |
| mdke | mgalvin, did you get anywhere with packaging ubuntu-doc? | 04:10 |
| mgalvin | mdke: hi, i looked at it quickly a while ago and saw that some work was done on it, i didn't get a chance to build a working package... if we need/are ready for one i can jump back into it and get it built | 04:12 |
| mdke | i dunno if we are ready for one now, but I was just wondering about it | 04:13 |
| mdke | we have some time between string freeze and release so it can be sorted out then probably | 04:14 |
| mdke | we need to consider l10n too | 04:14 |
| mgalvin | ok, i will take a look at it again soon anyway so that when we need it, it will be ready | 04:15 |
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| jjesse | morning | 04:28 |
| mgalvin | morning jjesse | 04:29 |
| jjesse | is it afternoon for you? :) | 04:29 |
| mgalvin | 10:30am here in NY :) | 04:29 |
| jjesse | same for here in mi | 04:30 |
| jjesse | i never remember what time zones people are in | 04:30 |
| mgalvin | wow, two people in the same time zone, who would have thought (for this team anyway ;) | 04:31 |
| jjesse | grin especially a US time zone | 04:31 |
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| Burgundavia | ouch, openoffice, X and bunch of smaller stuff. 160mb to download | 11:44 |
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| cat | hey does ubunto have a handbook like fbsd? | 11:56 |
| Burgundavia | what sort of handbook? | 11:56 |
| cat | well ubuntus | 11:56 |
| Burgundavia | targeted at what audience? | 11:57 |
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