ograthe other one is a broadcom based linksys card... running with ndiswrapper on amd64 ....12:02
ograand the built in card of my lappie doesnt work at all (no drivers)12:03
ajmitchyou can use ndiswrapper on amd64?12:03
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Nafallodebians kismet defaults to have gps and all files in /usr/local/* right now :-P12:04
ajmitchthat sounds very broken12:04
ajmitch 2005.06.r1-1 ?12:05
NafalloI debdiff against us and got afraid ;-)12:05
Nafallo # User to setid to (should be your normal user)12:05
Nafalloyay! :-P12:06
ajmitchwell it's a new upstream, of course there'll be lots of changes :)12:06
Nafallodebian is - ;-)12:06
ograajmitch, yes, you can use ndiswrapper on amd64 , since v1.1 and only with broadcom cards with win64bit driver.... but i'm fighting for a change in the package so it builds for amd64 too for breezy ...12:06
ajmitcha shame my old AP is dead..12:06
ajmitchat least the airport express downstairs still works :)12:07
Nafallohmm, let's see.12:14
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Nafallowhy is backports bad == because of 1h chatting with people that thinks guifications should go in hoary-updates cause 2.10 didn't work properly when you click on the notification.12:40
Nafallo*sigh* I hate users :-P.12:40
Nafallo(hoary has 2.9-1 btw)12:41
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ajmitchhey dholbach12:41
dholbachthanks for the good reviews on prefixsuffix and istanbul :)12:41
dholbachhi ajmitch12:41
Burgundaviawhy is it that as soon as I run a program in gdb, it doesn't crash?12:43
ajmitchor often a race condition or similar :)12:43
Burgundaviathis is a random synaptic crash. very frustrating to figure out12:44
NafalloBurgundavia: yay! please fix it :-)12:44
BurgundaviaNafallo, I don't code12:44
BurgundaviaI am just looking to see if it is same as the existing bugs12:44
Nafallomy mouse feels like a magic wand when I'm close to that window. it just vanishes :-).12:45
LathiatBurgundavia: need a faster computer :)12:45
Burgundaviafaster debugging by have the program crash faster?12:46
Lathiatthen at debug speeds12:48
Lathiatit'l run as fast as normal on your computer now12:48
Lathiatso it'l work. :)12:48
dholbachBurgundavia: try to build it as a debug package and try again12:49
Burgundaviadholbach, synaptic works in gdb, unlike other stuff12:49
dholbachBurgundavia: at the end of wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips is a brief description12:49
BurgundaviaI just can't make it crash12:49
dholbachBurgundavia: maybe it crashes with debugging symbols :-p12:50
sistpotyhm... i just tried to build kaffe (UniverseUnmetDeps) and it seems that in debian all issues have been adressed... (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318785)... should i put kaffe to the sync from debian-section?12:53
ajmitchmight as well12:57
ajmitchdoes it break UVF?12:57
sistpotyhm... well kaffe is currently broken, and imo a debian sync would fix it12:59
sistpotyI'll try to build with latest sid source... if it succeeds, i'll put it to sync from debian, ok?01:02
sistpotybut I'll do that tomorrow ;) (took an eternity to build with sid-sources)01:03
sistpotyerr with breezy-sources01:03
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SloMoSnailgood night everybody :)01:08
sistpotygn8 SloMoSnail01:08
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Nafallonight all01:10
Burgundaviatseng, muine also crashes after finishing the last song in the queue01:14
tsengim not sure what you want me to tell you01:14
tsengit doesnt crash that often here01:14
LathiatBurgundavia: what plugins are you using?01:15
tsengBurgundavia: nothing.01:15
BurgundaviaLathiat, only the notty area one01:16
Lathiatwhats that?01:16
Lathiatoh right01:16
Lathiatworks for me01:16
Burgundaviawhy I am only bothering you here and not with a bug report01:28
tsengok, as long as you dont expect me to take action01:28
BurgundaviaI realize that there is little you can do01:28
Lathiatdoes mono have a working debugger?01:32
tsengwhat did I say yesterday01:33
tsengand debugging gstreamer apps01:33
Lathiati have no idea i wasnt watching yesterday :)01:34
tsengits useless01:34
tsengin my experience01:34
Lathiatyay :(01:34
Lathiatdebug it on windows ;p01:34
tsenga few times a second01:34
tsengyou get timer events from gst01:34
tsengif you try and step through it01:34
tsengyou will be there all day01:35
tsengif you try and step in bigger blocks, you throw SIGPOWER all over the floor01:35
Lathiathrm :\01:35
Lathiatavahi_set_errno (client, AVAHI_ERR_DBUS_ERROR);01:36
Burgundaviaajmitch, why are you subscribed to the entire wiki?01:53
ajmitchBurgundavia: a lack of sanity01:53
Burgundaviaok, just wondering01:53
ajmitchI should try & restrict the regex to motu related topics01:54
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ajmitchdholbach: as I said, lack of sanity ;)01:55
dholbachmerci beaucoup01:55
Burgundaviawell, I have been filled your inboxes with crap recently01:56
ajmitchI don't mind01:56
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ajmitchit's a drop in the bucket compared to the other crap I get :)01:57
Burgundaviaajmitch, are you also crazy enough to suscribe to the entire of the bugzilla?01:57
ajmitchoh no01:57
ajmitchI'm not that silly01:57
Burgundaviathere can't be that many (I am one of them)01:59
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dholbachhm a 60k apt/sources.list doesnt seem to work02:28
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ajmitchdholbach: apt-get.org ?02:44
dholbachyes :)02:44
dholbachi have to finish something for feature freeze02:44
dholbachso i'm further automating that crack via python-apt02:44
ajmitchah great :)02:45
ajmitchhow's that going?02:46
dholbachawfully slow02:46
ajmitchmakes sense02:46
ajmitchI have a script that works on parsing source lists02:46
ajmitchprobably written the slowest way possible though02:46
dholbachsame for me :)02:47
ajmitchit's what I used for the rfp list, zope lists etc02:47
ajmitchnot using python-apt, though :)02:47
dholbachWOW, it now downloads NEW source packages02:47
ajmitchgreat! :)02:48
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ajmitchafter a bad test of initramfs02:48
dholbachnow i need to figure out, if pbuilder works nicely with it, and i'm happy02:48
ajmitchI just had to get grub using initrd again02:48
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ajmitchok, off to lunch, back to work, bbl ;)02:51
dholbachsee you02:51
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bddebianAh, this channel is so exciting this time of day :-)03:10
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bmontybddebian, you make it exciting :)03:11
bddebianWell I have to be good for SOMETHING :-)03:12
bmontylooks like I have a nice thunderstorm heading my way03:13
bddebianWe had ours yesterday03:14
bmontyI hope it is decent so I won't have to go out and water the yard tonight03:15
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bddebianDamn I hate job hunting :-(03:16
comadrejahello all03:18
bddebianHeya comadreja03:18
bmontyhey comadreja03:18
comadrejahow are you all03:18
comadrejasorry for not being visible last days03:19
comadrejaI'm having some terrible job pressure03:19
bddebianHeh, I know that feeling :-)03:19
comadrejaWe need to finish some software and we have not enough people03:20
comadrejait's like we'd like to have ten hands03:20
bddebianI'd be happy if I worked with people that had 1 brain.. ;-)03:21
comadrejahehehe really ? that bad ?03:21
bmontyso if I have a debdiff file, how do I apply it against an unpacked source tree?03:21
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bddebiancomadreja: Yes03:21
bddebianbmonty:  patch -p[patch level]  < foo.debdiff I think03:22
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bmontybddebian: yeah, that worked, thanks03:23
ajmitchhi bmonty, bddebian03:25
bmontyhi ajmitch03:25
ajmitchbddebian: job hunting? again?03:25
comadrejahey ajmitch :)03:26
ajmitchhi comadreja03:26
bddebianHeya ajmitch, yeah, unfortunately03:27
bddebianajmitch: Well I didn't get fired this time if that is what you mean :-)03:27
comadrejaI'm looking for a new job too...03:27
comadrejathis one is too stressing03:28
ajmitchbddebian: well that's an improvement :)03:28
ajmitchwhat's wrong with your current job?03:29
bddebianIt sucks03:30
ajmitchthat's very descriptive03:31
bddebianOver 2 hours to get to work this morning.  Stupid people.  Ignorant / non-involved management. Windows ;-) Ad nauseum :-)03:33
ajmitchbddebian: ah, I use windows, but it's a <10 minute walk to work for me :)03:34
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bddebianLathiat: :-)03:35
bddebianajmitch: I think I'll try the FSF admin job.. ;-P03:35
ajmitchgood luck03:35
ajmitchdon't let them catch you installing non-free software on there ;)03:36
bddebianBah, they're in Boston.  Screw that. :-)  Not to mention about 1/2 of what I make currently :-)03:36
ajmitchyou're meant to work for them for the love of The Cause03:36
bmontyBoston rules03:37
bddebianajmitch: Not hardly d00d :-)03:37
bddebianI don't think they'd appreciate me pummeling RMS ;-P03:37
ajmitchbddebian: RMS would be your boss03:37
bddebianbmonty: Well it would be a little bit of a drive and I'm not moving for half my current pay ;-)03:37
bmontyyou could try it out, and then get a higher paying IT job....there are plenty of them in that area03:38
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bmontyhey I like that cotton!03:40
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bddebianHmm, yeah going from Director of IT at a Nike Division to IT Manager at my current company to "sysadmin" at the FSF looks really good on the CV/Resume ;-P03:41
ajmitchbddebian: hey, you can put 'MOTU' on there soon ;)03:42
bddebianNo apparently I can't since no one shows up to meetings and Mez says I need "someone to vouch for me" ;-P03:42
ajmitchyes, you do need a couple of people to speak up for you03:43
ajmitchand this week's TB meeting was unfortunate03:43
bmontybddebian: :P03:44
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ajmitchif you stop, noone will speak up for you ;)03:44
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bddebianSounds like a chicken and egg problem to me.. :-)03:45
bddebiandholbach: ?03:45
dholbachlooks as we had that conversation already earlier today :)03:45
bddebianOh, sorry03:46
dholbachdon't worry03:46
bddebianajmitch didn't get to hear my whining ;-)03:46
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dholbachah ok :)03:46
ajmitchbddebian: I think I can live without hearing it03:46
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bddebiandholbach: See, I get no love.. ;-P03:47
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dholbachbddebian: me neither - python hates me03:47
ajmitchdholbach: python is lovely03:48
ajmitchdholbach: when do you need this script working?03:48
dholbachfeature freeze is ... erm tomorrow?03:49
dholbachand i need to have it working/building/... :)03:49
ajmitchok, I can help out if you want :)03:49
dholbachright now i'm trying to do something simple03:49
ajmitchI understand mdz wanted a list of packages to import by freeze time?03:49
ajmitchor at least packages to review03:49
dholbachyes and that (for me) depends on building a huge load of packages, which could be reviewed03:50
dholbachand a list of stuff that doesnt build, but might be working after a bit of fiddling03:50
dholbach(and sorted out all the crack that we have)03:50
dholbachyou don't want to do that manually03:50
ajmitchcertainly true03:51
dholbachright now, i want something like    pbuilder build bla*.dsc     (bla is in a string i have)03:51
dholbachand i'm crying over Popen03:51
ajmitchI've got a little bit of spare cpu power here for building & I can run scripts ;)03:51
dholbachi'm sure that's crackful03:51
ajmitchhmm, I used popen, I'm sure..03:51
dholbachproblem is bla*.dsc has to process by another command03:52
ajmitch        if os.system("/usr/bin/dpkg --compare-versions %s %s %s" %03:52
ajmitch                     (versions[0] ,03:52
ajmitch                      operator,03:52
ajmitch                      versions[1] )):03:52
ajmitchnope, I used that03:52
ajmitchthe shell needs to expand * ?03:52
dholbachi got an error03:52
dholbach"bla*.dsc is no suitable" candidate or something03:52
ajmitchcan your python program not write this into a script & then exec /bin/bash ?03:53
ajmitchevil, I know03:53
dholbachit could03:53
ajmitchbut this doesn't have to be nice, it just has to work03:53
bmontywhat is the purpose of the script?03:54
ajmitchbmonty: take a *large* list of apt sources, get the src packages contained there, and build them, afaik03:54
=== bddebian still says "throw them to the buildds" :-)
ajmitchbddebian: that's crazy - these packages are often full of crap, to put it mildly03:55
bddebianajmitch: The UniverseUnmetDeps packages?03:56
bmontyif the packages are full of crap, why build them?03:56
dholbachajmitch: you rock03:56
ajmitchunmet deps are different03:56
dholbachos.system did it03:56
bddebianOohh, sorry03:56
ajmitchdholbach: excellent03:56
dholbachi used subprocess.call() before03:56
dholbachrock AND roll03:56
bddebianDon't we have enough work to do without apt-get.org? :-)03:57
ajmitchbddebian: yes, we do03:57
comadrejadholbach : glob ?03:57
ajmitchand I feel bad about not doing my share03:57
bddebianAs well you should :-)03:57
dholbachcomadreja: glob?03:57
comadrejadholbach : glob.glob ("*.dsc")03:58
seth_kbddebian, the buildds eat children if you make them unhappy :D03:58
dholbachajmitch: don't worry03:58
comadrejawill return a list of *.dsc files03:58
Lathiatseth_k: heh03:58
bddebianseth_k: Well as long as they aren't MY children :-)03:58
dholbachcomadreja: oh cool... next time :)03:58
dholbachok it works03:58
dholbachmakes sleep badly03:58
dholbachbut it runs03:58
ajmitchdholbach: so it's building all of apt-get.org now?03:59
dholbachit tries to03:59
dholbachall the stuff we don't have03:59
ajmitchif there's any other scripting needed, I can probably supply :)04:00
ajmitchI've still got to get the source for unmet deps04:00
bmontyis packages.ubuntu.com, the latest and greatest on packages that are available?04:00
dholbachi'll see what the output is tomorrow04:00
dholbachok... have a good night04:00
dholbachi'm off04:00
bmontynite dholbach04:00
dholbachit's !!!! 4 !!!! already04:01
bddebianLater dholbach04:01
ajmitchdholbach: good work, night04:01
dholbachnight bmonty, ajmitch, comadreja, Lathiat, bddebian - you guys rock!04:01
ajmitchbddebian: are there any packages that just need a rebuild that I can upload?04:01
bmontyajmitch: doodle is ready to go, there is a link to the debdiff on unmet deps page04:01
bddebianajmitch: There were, but I think Nafallo may have hit them today04:01
ajmitchI see you have vipec listed as needs love, there's a patch in debian's BTS that I'll apply04:02
bmontyBTW, whats the deal with gcc 4.0 not building packages?04:03
bddebianbmonty: A lot of it are just more strict C rules04:03
ajmitchgcc 4.0 is a lot stricter04:03
ajmitchbmonty: doodle is just a rebuild?04:03
bmontyk, makes sense04:03
bmontyajmitch: I had to change the control file04:03
ajmitchthen you have to change the version to reflect that04:03
ajmitchyou can't just have a build1 version if you change anything else04:04
bmontyso should it be 0.6.2-ubuntu1?04:04
ajmitchnext debian upload that MoM synced would overwrite that04:04
bmontyk, I'll fix that04:04
ajmitch* change libdoodle dependency to libextractor1c204:05
ajmitchmakes no sense04:05
bddebianGoddamn, everyone wants programmers.. :'-(04:06
bmontyit was libextractor1c which is now libextractor1c204:06
ajmitchthen say that :)04:06
ajmitchI can see that when I look at the control file, but not at the changelog04:06
ajmitchand mention the build-dep change as well04:07
ajmitchand add the fam dep back in04:07
ajmitchwhen you asked the other day, you said that libfam0 depends on it04:08
ajmitchit only recommends04:08
ajmitchbddebian: see, I'm this picky with other people, not just you ;)04:08
bmontyok, got it04:08
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bmontyajmitch: where did you see a build-dep change?04:15
ajmitchsorry, not build-dep, but depends for doodled04:17
bmontyok, I got that04:17
ajmitchhey crimsun04:17
crimsunhey ajmitch, bmonty, bddebian04:17
bmontyhey crimsun04:18
crimsunstrange, i386 failed pyxmms04:18
ajmitchwhy is that strange?04:18
crimsunajmitch: python2.3 is uninstallable on i386?04:19
ajmitchcrimsun: it shouldn't be, let me check04:19
ajmitchzope still depends on it04:19
bmontyajmitch: new debdiff is at http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/doodle_0.6.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff04:19
crimsunthe other three arches built it just fine, so it should have built on i38604:20
crimsunlooks like a chroot issue04:20
bddebianHeya crimsun04:20
ajmitchcrimsun: definitely, apt-get update must have failed04:21
ajmitchsee the 'could not stat..' lines04:21
ajmitchbmonty: much better :)04:21
bmontythanks :)04:22
ajmitchgetting build-deps, this could take awhile04:23
chillywillyajmitch: did you get your net connection upgrade yet?04:24
ajmitchchillywilly: of course not04:24
ajmitchI live in NZ04:24
chillywillywell that sucks04:24
bmontyso, I'm looking at the package drip and it build-depends on libavifile-0.7 which apt says is uninstallable, but ubuntu.packages.com has it....what gives?04:25
chillywillymaybe you should switch the IP over carrier pigeon ;)04:25
bddebianbmonty: "apt-cache policy libavifile"04:26
ajmitchchillywilly: it'd probably be faster04:26
ajmitchget them to carry DVDs04:26
ajmitchjumbo packets04:26
bmontybddebian: ok, but I can download the package from packages.ubuntu.com, thats why I'm confused04:28
chillywillyanyone know if the linux kernel went with the 4 digit version number thingy?04:28
chillywillycause kernel.org show being the latest stable version, so I was thinking they did04:28
crimsunubuntu uses the fourth number to denote the kernel abi04:29
crimsun(in the revision)04:29
bddebianbmonty: What repo does it say it's in?04:30
ajmitch  Version table:04:32
ajmitch     1: 004:32
ajmitch       1200 breezy/universe Packages04:32
ajmitchthat is annoying - I had libavifile0.7 installed (no - )04:32
bmontyThe following information may help to resolve the situation:04:33
bmontyThe following packages have unmet dependencies:04:33
bmonty  libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1: but it is not going to be installed04:33
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bddebianHmm, I already have it installed it seems :-(04:34
crimsunwasn't libavifile-0.7 transitioned?04:34
bddebianThere is a c2 but it's an older rev04:35
bddebian .38 vs .4304:35
ajmitchcrimsun: from c102, iirc04:35
bmontybugzilla says it was renamed to libavifile-0.704:36
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DoNnInHaoi BIGBRUNO :)04:37
DoNnInHatodo mundo aqui fala ingles1125504:39
DoNnInHatodo mundo aqui fala ingles?04:39
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bmontydvr source package has the same issue04:43
bddebianSomeone please kill me04:43
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bddebianThanks Lathiat :-)04:44
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ajmitchbmonty: doodle uploaded04:47
bmontyajmitch: just same it on the RSS feed, thanks04:47
ajmitchbddebian: marks the debian bug for vipec, will fix soon :)04:52
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bddebianajmitch: ?04:54
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DoNnInHaesse treim eh mto ruim04:56
ajmitchDoNnInHa: english in here, please04:56
ajmitchbddebian: on the wiki, I put a link to the debian bts entry for vipec..04:56
bddebianajmitch: Ah, cool04:57
DoNnInHaquero ir pra brasnet :P nao sei falar ingles04:57
bddebianOhh, VP of IT and CIO for $200,000+.  That'd do ;-)04:58
ajmitchgo for it04:58
bddebianHell I'd buy ya a new laptop for that one ajmitch ;-P04:58
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ajmitchbddebian: that'd be nice ;)05:00
ajmitchsigh, a 1-line patch, which patch system should I use today?05:00
chillywillydebdiff ;)05:01
ajmitchchillywilly: useful comments, thanks :P05:01
bddebianwrite something in perl to patch it.. ;-P05:01
chillywillyoh crikey...05:01
ajmitchI mean like quilt, dpatch, etc05:01
chillywillywrite a python script05:02
bddebianajmitch: Be creative ;-P05:02
chillywillythat calls one of those and downloads pr0n05:02
LaserJockIs anybody familiar with the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile wiki page?05:03
chillywillyit's probably the page where there are univer packages without desktop files05:03
chillywillyuniverse too05:03
bddebianYep, that'd be it :-)05:04
ajmitchLaserJock: yes, it's out of date, needs to be refreshed for breezy05:04
LaserJockwell, yeah I know that :-)05:04
LaserJockI have some questions about it05:04
LaserJockI was wanting to help get some of those .desktop files made05:05
LaserJockbut some of the packages listed don't seem to need .desktop files05:05
ajmitchLaserJock: great05:05
ajmitchthat's why the list needs updated :)05:05
ajmitchI think it was made from packages that have a .menu file but no .desktop05:06
LaserJockdo they all really need .desktop files though05:06
LaserJockfor instance, does vim-python need to be in the menu?05:06
bddebianDamn, $90,000/yr for a Sr. Linux Admin.. Sheesh05:07
ajmitchmaybe not, but I'm not one to make that call :)05:07
LaserJockwhile that clutter users' menus?05:07
chillywillybddebian: looking for a new job?05:08
bddebianchillywilly: Aye05:08
ajmitchwe have to find some balance between making programs visible & not cluttering up the menus with hundreds of entries05:08
LaserJockwell, is there other uses for the .desktop files beside menus?05:09
LaserJockI saw on the freedesktop.org site that it looked like their use for mimetypes is depriciated05:09
ajmitchnot sure, there was talk of using them for a new gnome-app-install05:11
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ajmitchI think the usage is just menu05:11
LaserJockwell, it looks like we could use the NoDisplay key to keep non-gui type apps out of the menu, but still have the flexability to use it in the future05:13
ajmitchAmaranth is the menu man here05:14
Amaranthwhat's up?05:14
AmaranthNoDisplay is what smeg uses05:14
Amaranthso it'll work05:14
Amaranthif you use Hidden smeg won't see it and it's mime type info will be ignored05:14
LaserJockbut is it worth the effort for a lot of the CLI type stuff?05:15
ajmitchAmaranth: aside from smeg, we're talking about making .desktop files for those packages that don't have them05:16
Amaranthajmitch: i know, i was just telling him NoDisplay is the solution for hiding things05:16
LaserJockso should the focus be on Breezy and not Hoary?05:18
bddebianI wonder if I can lie well enough for the Sr. Linux Admin job (RedHat and SuSe, yuck)05:18
Amaranth.desktop files are a nice low hanging fruit05:18
bddebianSo is UniverseUnmetDeps05:19
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ajmitchAmaranth: we need someone to collate .desktop files that people contribute05:19
ajmitchsincenot everyone can fix up & patch a package to include them05:19
LaserJockwell, that was what I was wondering05:19
Amaranthi don't know how either :P05:19
Amaranthi can tell you a .desktop file is valid, but so can desktop-file-validate05:20
ajmitchright, I'll volunteer for now & hand it off to someone else who's worthy :)05:20
ajmitchit's mainly including it in the packaging, which I can do well enough05:20
Amaranthone of these days i'm going to start spamming bugs for invalid .desktop files05:20
bmontyajmitch: I could help out with that also05:20
ajmitchbmonty: great, thanks05:21
Amaranthi've never added a file to a package, just edited existing files05:21
ajmitchwe just need people to start submitting them05:21
ajmitchmaybe Amaranth can spam the forums for contributions ;)05:21
Amaranthand there is the intltool scripts that need to be done that i don't know about05:21
LaserJockwell, I'm not much of a packager, but the .desktop files are easy enough to make05:21
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bmontyajmitch: I'm working on a package called amsynth, it is copying in config.guess and config.sub from /usr/share/misc/config and causing the debdiff to be rather large with all the changes, is that cool for a package that only needs a rebuild?05:23
LaserJockwhat if we made a thread in the UbuntuForums Breezy Badger form where people could just post the .desktop files?05:24
bddebianbmonty: No, ignore that crap :-)05:24
ajmitchLaserJock: good idea05:24
LaserJockI think first off, the list of packages needing .desktop files needs to be updated05:25
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Amaranthajmitch: basically anything i could do for you is covered by a shell script05:25
ajmitchAmaranth: ok :)05:25
Amaranthunless you need help figuring out what category to put something in05:25
bmontybddebian: so...just cut it out of the debdiff?05:26
bddebianbmonty: I would but I'm probably the wrong person to ask :-)05:26
ajmitchbmonty: yeah, it's the easiest way for now05:26
bmontytoo easy :)05:26
LaserJockso, would it be OK if I found the packages that needed .desktop files in Breezy and updated the wiki?05:34
ajmitchgah, what is mcs 1.0.5 source still doing in breezy?05:35
bmontyajmitch: I added a debdiff for amsynth, just needs a rebuild05:35
bmontyand with that....good night everyone05:35
bddebianGood night bmonty, good work05:35
ajmitchbmonty: thanks, night05:36
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bddebianHowdy ogra05:40
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ajmitchthat should never be on there, and mono-assemblies-arch should be gone from the archive05:41
bddebianSo fix it d00d05:42
ajmitchumm, what do you think I'm doing?05:43
bddebianYapping ;-P05:46
LaserJockajmitch: is there something I should do for this .desktop thing or should I let you (MOTU) take care of it?06:07
ajmitchwrite .desktop files? :)06:08
ajmitchwe'll sort out what packages need them asap06:08
LaserJockwho should I give them to?06:08
LaserJockshould I just start posting them in the Ubuntu Forums?06:09
LaserJockor would the wiki be more appropriate?06:09
ajmitchwiki is where we will see them quicker06:10
LaserJockoh, ok06:10
LaserJockok, another question, are the packages on the UniverseUnmetDeps wikipage for Breezy?06:18
LaserJockonly Breezy?06:18
LaserJockcool, thanks06:18
seth_kspeaking of .desktop files, someone want to figure out why this .desktop file refuses to show in the KDE menu?06:19
bddebianTime for me to head for bed.  Gnight folks, thanks LaserJock and good work as always ajmitch ;-)06:19
seth_knight bddebian06:19
bddebianGnight seth_k :-)06:19
seth_khttp://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/kmobiletools/ << I patched this to install its .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/kde, but it just will not show up in the K menu and I don't know why.06:22
seth_kafter I can figure out this issue it gets to go on revu06:22
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LaserJockseth_k: have you tried taking out the X-KDE and X_DCOP lines?06:33
seth_kLaserJock, not sure, I've tried so many things... I'll try that now :)06:34
seth_kI think I just cheated off of kandy's .desktop file or something06:34
seth_kokay, changed and building06:35
seth_kcross fingers!06:35
AmaranthX-* things are extensions to the spec and shouldn't make a difference06:38
Amaranthseeing how kde and gnome both ignore keys they don't understand06:38
LaserJockseth_k: looking at http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s04.html it says that you could use just StartupNotify=true and I would think you would want OnlyShowIn=KDE06:38
Amaranthif these could possibly have any use at all in GNOME or XFCE do not use OnlyShowIn=KDE06:39
Amaranthkmobiletools.desktop doesn't have a Categories key06:40
Amaranthso kmenu doesn't know where to put it06:40
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seth_kyeah it does... at the bottom?06:40
Amaranthin your diff?06:40
Amaranthah, ok06:41
seth_kremoved the two X- lines, still not showing up06:42
seth_kI've verified that the file does exist at /usr/share/applications/kde/06:42
Amaranthyou ran desktop-file-validate on the final .desktop file?06:42
seth_kno output06:42
Amaranthdunno what to tell you, it should be showing up in the 'Utilities' menu06:43
seth_kI know :(06:44
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seth_kcould it be an external bug?06:44
seth_kor is there some sort of update menus call I need to make in debian/rules ?06:44
Lathiatyour gnome-panel might suck06:45
seth_kI'm using KDE :P06:45
Amaranthit shows up here?06:45
seth_kit shows up in your menu?06:45
Amaranthit shows up in gnome-menus and kmenu06:45
Amaranthwell, my simplified version of it (stripped translations)06:45
Amaranthlet me try to install the package06:45
seth_kthanks, Amaranth06:46
Amaranthit is showing up here06:46
Amaranthwith the package06:46
Amaranthin kmenu and gnome-menus06:47
seth_kso all this time06:47
seth_kit's just been my kde that sucks06:47
Amaranthit's in utilities06:47
seth_kthat's another problem for another day I guess06:47
LaserJockAmaranth: would it be possible to have smeg put OnlyShowIn=KDE in the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde/ as sort of a "on/off" flag?06:47
AmaranthLaserJock: it puts NoDisplay=true06:48
LaserJockaww, ok06:48
Amaranthand/or uses an <Exclude>, i can't remember what pyxdg does now06:48
Amaranthi follow the spec, not some hack :p06:48
LaserJockdoes it do that for all of the kde files or do you have to manually pick each one?06:49
seth_kI wonder why it wouldn't be showing up for me...06:49
seth_kAmaranth, are you running Breezy?06:49
Amaranthit does that for every file06:49
AmaranthLaserJock: i don't touch files in /usr/share/applications/kde directly and i don't make a user copy with NoDisplay=true unless the user chooses to hide it06:50
AmaranthLaserJock: i don't make smeg systematically hunt for all KDE apps and hide them, that's stupid06:50
LaserJockyeah, that makes sense06:50
Amaranthseeing how KDE users use smeg06:50
LaserJockI just thought it would be cool to have a KDE "on/off" switch06:51
LaserJocksame would apply to Gnome apps06:51
Amaranthusers don't care06:51
Amaranthreal users, not biased developer-users06:51
Amaranthkde app, gnome app, whatever, as long as it works06:52
seth_kAmaranth, are you running Breezy or Hoary?06:53
LaserJocksure, that makes sense8-)06:53
Amaranthseth_k: breezy06:53
seth_kstill odd, but oh well :)06:53
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LaserJockheah Amaranth, I was wondering how did your hard drive overheated?06:54
Amaranthtwo HD sitting on top of each other and an auto-fsck06:55
Amaranthstupid auto-fsck-after-30-mounts06:55
Lathiati hate that06:56
LaserJockwhat filesystem?06:56
Lathiatwhatd rock06:56
Lathiatis online fscking06:56
Lathiatlike ufs on freebsd has06:56
Lathiat-> win06:56
Amaranththe partition table was gone06:56
Amaranthevery tool i could find that would read it said it was a new drive06:56
LaserJockhmmm, I've heard of using dd to copy the contents of a disk when other tools can't read it, but I've never tried it06:58
Amaranthi had two choices: sit without a computer and no way of repairing it for a month or repartition06:59
Amaranthand when that month was up i'd be somewhere where i won't have internet access06:59
Amaranthnot often, anyway06:59
Amaranthcollege sucks06:59
LaserJockno internet access at college?07:00
Lathiathrm, our colleges tend to have rathert good internet access07:00
Amaranththey don't have dorms, i'm living with an uncle until i get a place07:00
Amaranthit's a community college thing07:00
Amaranthsioux city07:01
LaserJockcool, I'm in Reno, NV07:01
Amaranth(google, only one of those in the US)07:01
LaserJocknever been to iowa, I've stayed to the Rockies or west :-)07:03
Amaranthanyway, game time, bbl07:04
LaserJockyeah, time to go to bed for me07:04
LaserJockgood night all and thanks for the info ajmitch07:04
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cathey people09:53
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siretarthi folks10:19
\shhey siretart10:20
siretarthuhu \sh, nice to soo read you :)10:21
siretarts/soo/ *g*10:22
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\shsiretart: ah...I'm not trying to become mad ,-) right now I have too much workload here (!= ubuntu stuff)10:29
siretartoh, I feel with you. I had this the last 2 weeks :/10:30
\shsiretart: and my result was: uploading a new version to main without a permission *peinlich*10:32
siretart\sh: well, daniels gave you permission, dind't he?10:33
\shsiretart: but not kamion or matt...10:35
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\shhey ogra10:35
Burgundaviaogra, aside from ndis guid, what was the other tool your student was working on?10:36
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jstrhey guys10:53
jstrI want to join up and write code for you10:53
siretartjstr: cool!10:55
siretartjstr: any special in mind?10:56
jstrwell thats it... i dont know10:56
jstri really like using c10:56
jstrim an undergraduate comp sci student with no actual programming experience in the work place, however i have completed heeps of units in the field10:57
siretartwell, we seldom do actual coding. more often, we package programs, and have to fix compilation errors from software, which doesn't built with newer compilers like gcc-4.010:59
jstri have done units in C (in a UNIX environment), C++, to many java units :(, UML, project management10:59
jstrwell, i know how to make MAKE files at least :)10:59
siretartjstr: well, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo11:00
siretartjstr: we really need every helping hand, there are tons of stuff to do11:00
jstrwell im prepared to put in at least an 8 hour day a week for the rest of the year11:01
ajmitchwe don't do so much programming as packaging11:01
ajmitchthat's good11:01
jstrits just so when i graduate i have some nice things to write on my resume11:02
ajmitchnot because you want to help the community? ;)11:02
jstrthat aswell.11:03
ajmitchwe do a lot of fixing packages that are broken, creating new packages, etc11:04
jstri have never done anything like that before so it will be something new for me to learn11:05
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sistpotyhi all11:29
janimohi sistpoty11:29
ajmitchhi sistpoty11:29
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\shI should create a new ejabberd package11:51
\shsome good new features11:51
janimo\sh did the voip goal for breezy get deffered?11:52
janimoIsee you were on the team initially11:52
ajmitchyou'll have to pass the motu review gauntlet first ;)11:52
ajmitchjanimo: I think so11:52
ajmitchthere are a few deferred goals, sadly11:52
janimothat shtoom one was very appealing though..11:52
janimoI guess upstream didn;t move fast enough11:53
Lathiatshtoom has a 2 second audio delay for me :\11:53
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\shjanimo: yes...looks like...cause there r some issues twisted...11:54
\shjanimo: I tried twisted 2.x and shtoom but didn't work11:54
Lathiat\sh: it worked for me last check11:54
Lathiatalways has really11:54
Lathiatfor me anyway11:54
\shLathiat: I have to check it again11:55
\shand I need to renew the SIP Express Router packages....11:56
\shremove the provided debian/ dir and create a new one11:56
janimoI think the voip goal also dependen on some central ubuntu.com ids for users which is not in place right?11:56
\shjanimo: first of all, there must be a running environment of software11:57
\shjanimo: then we can implement some things like single sign on11:57
janimo\sh I know, I meant it's not only the technical issues that deffered the goal11:58
\shjanimo: time, workload, ressources11:58
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ajmitchfun, new tomboy release out for tseng12:03
\shjanimo: yes12:04
sistpotycu later12:05
siretartwoah, revu backlog finally decreasing :)12:08
Lathiatsiretart: hrm, if i try to access the pingus .changes it gives a no permisison12:09
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siretartLathiat: the changes file are not meant to be downloaded12:11
Lathiatheh ok12:12
siretartLathiat: I should perhaps delete them, but then I cannot reimport them in case of failure12:12
siretartLathiat: the problem is: uploads made by motus could be uploaded by anyone to ubuntu, since our keys are also in the ubuntu keyring12:12
siretartLathiat: I don't want this12:12
Lathiatah right12:13
Lathiati see12:13
siretartLathiat: e.g. I just uploaded qemu to revu to get it tested for real x86. I'm not sure if that package is ok, so I don't want to have it in universe right now12:13
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ajmitchargh, vegastrike dies12:26
=== ajmitch think it need a sync from debian
SloMoSnailsiretart: is the new ppc patch included with that qemu upload? (sorry, don't have much time atm... learning maths)12:33
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siretartSloMoSnail: I took the latest debian version which could be built in debian12:42
siretartfor ppc, that is12:42
SloMoSnailsiretart: wonderfull :) i'll test it on x86 and ppc in a few minutes12:45
ajmitchsigh, vegastrike FTBFS12:49
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ograbah games...12:55
ajmitchogra: they can be fun :)12:57
ajmitchalso a waste of time12:57
ograheh... yes...and the eat development tme :)12:57
ajmitchyes, I shouldn't do anything that would eat into MOTU time ;)12:57
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SloMoSnailsiretart: builds fine on x8601:00
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janimosiretart using gcc-4?01:04
janimocause that does not work with qemu AFAIK01:04
SloMoSnailjanimo: nope... it is build with 3.401:05
janimoI am looking now01:06
janimobuilt fine here on x8601:12
janimoand installedd too01:12
SloMoSnailjanimo: same for me... and on ppc it is built fine in a few seconds it seems ;)01:12
janimoon x86 it took about 5mins01:12
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musicistaConti have a problem with kdevelop 3.2.0 code completion don't work only whit libstdc++ i make new PSC database but nothig what i have to do?01:21
siretartSloMoSnail: great, then I'll upload that qemu upload in a minute01:21
janimoeasy way to clone a page in the wiki?01:24
janimodo a large page similar to an existing one so a new title basically01:24
SloMoSnailjanimo: make a redirect... put just this in the new page: #REDIRECT OldPage01:25
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janimoSloMoSail thanks01:27
janimoslomosnail, I want to clone the page but then heab=vily modify it, I want a template, not just an alias01:35
janimois your suggestion still valid?01:35
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SloMoSnailno... my suggestion was a plain redirect... no idea how you can achieve what you want...01:36
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janimohmm there are templates but not for maininclusionreports as I want to write01:37
janimowikis are primitive :)01:38
SloMoSnailjust take one of the other maininclusionreports and copy the stuff ;) that's how i made mine...01:38
SloMoSnailwhat package do you want in main?01:38
ajmitchnight all01:38
SloMoSnailgn8 ajmitch01:39
sistpotygn8 ajmitch01:39
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janimoslomo, xfce4 & co01:39
janimoabout 20-30 packages01:39
janimoI see edubuntu inclusion is nicely colored, I want that too :)01:39
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DanielNsomeone around?01:41
SloMoSnailhi DanielN01:42
DanielNhi to all first :)01:42
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mbreithi all02:11
Mezwhat was the replacemtn for xlibmesa-gl ?02:11
janimoapt-cache search xlibmesa-gl :)02:15
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mbreithi pef02:21
SloMoSnailis this new gnome clipboard daemon already in breezy? and what is it called?02:24
mbreitSloMoSnail: do you mean gcm?02:27
mbreithttp://gcm.sourceforge.net/ ?02:27
Lathiatisnt it integrated into gnome-session-manager or somethign02:27
SloMoSnailno idea... i heard gnome 2.12 would have some kind of clipboard manager ;)02:28
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Amaranthit does02:45
Amaranthgnome-clipboard-daemon isn't needed, it's been rolled into gnome-settings-daemon02:46
Lathiatas i thought02:46
SloMoSnailAmaranth: settings or session?02:46
SloMoSnailhmm... session seems to be more natural to me ;)02:47
Amaranthi remember this because when the bugs were getting worked out it was dying all the time02:47
Amaranthand you lose your theme and everything when it dies02:47
LathiatSloMoSnail: yeh cept its not a session daemon :)02:49
tsengLathiat: sneaking in my first rails app at work02:52
tsengLathiat: :D02:52
Lathiattseng: haha02:52
Lathiattseng: cool02:52
Lathiati havent had much chance to play with it lately02:52
Lathiatbusy on avahi and stuff02:52
Lathiatnow my address is whitelisted i can go about getting these packages uploaded i've been fixing02:53
SloMoSnailtseng: can you upload the new cowbell from debian? ;)02:53
tsengno, but i can sync it02:53
tsengSloMoSnail: mail elmo, request cowbell sync from debian02:53
tsengjames.troup @ C.com02:54
SloMoSnailisn't it just james?02:54
tsengjames.troup WFM02:54
SloMoSnailok, you're right02:55
mbreitbtw: what happened to the i386 buildd? did it build EVER package? or just the ones that failed the last time?02:58
mbreitand i am going to update the unmet deps list.... since i think that all the rebuilds on the buildd could have changed a lot03:03
crimsunA good number of those unmet will need to be given back yet again due to i386 buildd screwage, it seems.03:05
mbreitit seems that the buildd is still rebuilding everything...03:05
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janimoogra do you know how can I steal EdubuntuMaininclusion page with minimal effort and use it a a template?03:25
janimofor xfce inclusion page03:25
ograjanimo, sure...03:25
janimoanything more intuitive than copy-paste the sources03:25
ograjanimo, but there also is a template page somewhere03:25
janimocould not find one with so many nice colors ;)03:25
ograand a process description what is required and how to do it03:26
janimoI know the process but I wonder how do I say in the wiki: 'fork this page'03:26
janimoIOW edit the text inside the tables and leave the appearance03:27
janimobut a new copy not inplace over yours :)03:27
ograclick on a nonexistent report, change the url to your name and click on "create page"03:27
janimoyes but the new page will be blank w/o tables and other niceties03:28
janimooh well03:28
janimoI guess I'll copy paste the source03:29
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Amaranthwhy doesn't muine just use inotify through gamin through gnome_vfs_monitor_add?03:39
Lathiatcus gamin sucks? :)03:41
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Amaranthgamin doesn't suck, seb just didn't have the dependencies for gnome-menus setup right :p03:45
Amaranthooh, that reminds me03:45
Amaranthgnome-menus 2.11.91 actually cleanly builds and runs on hoary, it's going into backports03:45
SloMoSnailAmaranth: better question: why doesn't muine use gst, taglib or this c# tag-thingie to read the tags? and why has it the formats it can play hardcoded... now it can't play musepack although gst supports it...03:46
Amaranthno <Layout> (dunno why) but since the breezy package depends on libgamin-dev it actually fixes the autoupdating03:46
AmaranthSloMoSnail: it came before all of that :P03:46
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pefI've modified a home made deb package to be compliant with ubuntu, how should I submit it ? revu doesn't seems to be a good solution (no .diff)04:04
SloMoSnailpef: how have you created this package? dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa? then put the original source tarball in the parent directory (of the source directory) and name it kvpnc_0.7.2.orig.tar.gz04:06
SloMoSnailthen you'll get a diff04:06
pefSloMoSnail: no, package made by the author04:07
SloMoSnailso the debian stuff was already in the upstream tarball?04:07
SloMoSnailwonderfull ;)04:07
SloMoSnailbut then just do it as i said... should work ;)04:08
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Amaranthlinda output is awesome04:09
AmaranthThis package appears to conform to a newer Standards-Version that has been released. One of us is incorrect.04:09
pefAmaranth: I've set Standards-Version to 3.6.2 in debian/control04:10
DanielNisn't it possible to debootstrap breezy from hoary?04:10
Amaranthlinda is kind of a bitch, someone must not have liked their wife/girlfriend/mother04:11
SloMoSnailpef: when you've uploaded the version with the diff against the upstream tarball i'll look at it... from the changelog your changes sound sane ;)04:11
pefnice :)04:11
SloMoSnailhmm... Recommends: vpnc | freeswan04:13
SloMoSnailbetter Depend on it... at least it seems to be needed at runtime, right?04:14
Amaranthoh no, not another one of those04:14
Amaranthapt-file's package is like that too04:14
Amaranthsupposedly it's a feature, not a bug04:14
pefSloMoSnail: freeswan is only usefull if you work on a freeswan vpn, otherwise useless depend04:15
SloMoSnailAmaranth: hm what's it with apt-file? does it recommend curl although it needs it? ;)04:15
Amaranthcurl or something else04:15
SloMoSnailpef: but i assume it doesn't work without one of these two...04:17
pefSloMoSnail: if freeswan isn't installed, only the protocol freeswan won't be available, but others yes04:18
SloMoSnailpef: and for copyright... it's GPL2 so change the path at the end to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-204:18
SloMoSnailpef: but does anything work with it when neither freeswan and vpnc are installed?04:19
pefSloMoSnail: You can use openvpn :) I have to check this field more carefully04:20
SloMoSnailpef: but then you must have openvpn installed ;) that's exactly the problem...04:21
SloMoSnailpef: and maybe use dh_install instead of install for the desktop file... but that shouldn't matter much :)04:22
SloMoSnailpef: other than that i'm ok with this package04:22
pefSloMoSnail: I think putting Depends: openvpn | freeswan | foo, so the package can be used and all "protocol" packages as Suggest ?04:22
SloMoSnailwhat are protocol packages?04:23
pefSloMoSnail: openvpn, vpnc, pptpclient, freeswan (to use the protocol in the program)04:25
SloMoSnailah ok... so a depend on one of those and a suggest for all of them? hmm, could be ok but better ask someone else for that04:27
SloMoSnailbut just notice me when you've uploaded a new version... i'll look through it then and maybe you get a vote ;)04:28
pefSloMoSnail: I had the same problem with datakiosk (databases utility), does I must include all qt db drivers ? (sqlite, mysql, pgsql, ...)04:28
pefSloMoSnail: just have this problem to solve and it will be uploaded04:29
SloMoSnailfor me it sound correct to depend on one of the possibilities (a | b | c | ...) and Suggest all of them (a,b,c,...)04:30
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gary_Hi there - is it okay for me to bring up an issue with a universe package here?04:39
gary_a missing dependency rather than a bug in the package, as such04:39
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pefgary_: what's the problem ?04:42
gary_well I upgraded to breezy yesterday, and uim-common depends on (non-existent package) im-switch04:42
gary_im-switch is in debian unstable and experimental04:43
gary_I'd be happy to port the package, but I haven't reviewed the universe guidelines, and have only worked on packaging for one or two things before04:44
gary_and it might be too late for breezy now?04:44
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pefhow can I manage long debian/control fields ? (Suggests: longer than 80 characters)04:50
Amaranthpef: \n\t?04:51
gary_pef: debian-installer has a Build-Depends 1021 characters long04:51
Nafallosiretart: ping04:52
siretartNafallo: pong04:52
SloMoSnailpef: just make it as long as it needs to be... only for description there's a limit of 80 chars04:53
pefthanks :)04:53
Nafallosiretart: what to do with im-switch? bring in a new package tweaked for xorg? :-)04:53
pefgary_: I think you should fill a bug report on malone04:53
Amaranthgcc-4.0's build-depends line is 2181 characters04:54
siretartNafallo: erm, sorry. what is im-switch?04:54
Amaranthand vlc build-deps on 56 (!) different packages04:54
Nafallosiretart: ahh, you wasn't following :-). uim is on UniverseUnmetDeps, uim-common deps on im-switch. im-switch is in debian but not in ubuntu and deps on xfree86-common :-).04:55
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SloMoSnailAmaranth: what about gst-plugins and mplayer? ;)04:55
Amaranththey don't come close according to this shell script written by a debian guy04:56
Nafallosiretart: the right solution would be to take im-switch from debian, modify and upload to REVU to fix uim?04:56
siretartNafallo: does im-switch really need xfree86-common? I mean, can't the package be modified to work with xorg?04:56
Amaranthoh, gst-plugins0.8 is 5104:56
Amaranthmplayer isn't in the top 1004:56
siretartNafallo: yes, that way we could have a look at it04:56
Nafallosiretart: oki, I'll see what I can do about it then :-)04:57
Amaranthvlc is tied with debian-installer04:57
gary_Nafallo: im-switch works fine for me just with the depends on xfree86-common replaced by xorg-common05:13
gary_Nafallo: and the postinst and prerm look safe enough with that dependency05:14
Nafallogary_: oki, I'll upload to REVU then and hopes the acks from three other MOTUs goes quick ;-)05:15
gary_Nafallo: thanks! I'm sure the other IM frameworks are good, I'm just used to that one.05:17
Nafallogary_: np :-)05:17
siretartNafallo: I think you just uploaded a native package, was this intentional?05:23
Nafallosiretart: seems to be native in debian, not sure if we should follow that?05:25
Nafallosiretart: I'll see what the comments gives ;-)05:25
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\shI wanted to go home..and now I'm sitting here and fixing eit streams for turkish dtv services05:34
bddebianSounds fun :-)05:34
bddebianHello \sh05:35
\shit's bar ,-)05:35
\shhey bddebian05:35
\shit's a foobar situation05:36
\shok..next try to go home: -22 min05:38
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bddebian\sh: Isn't everything foobar? :-)05:40
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pefusing cdbs, which target should I use to delete admin/config.(guess|sub) ?05:41
pefclean:: and cleanbuildir won't work05:41
bddebianchillywilly: :-)05:41
\shdelete ?05:44
\shand then copy it back from /usr/share/misc?05:44
pef\sh: it's autotools temp files no ?05:45
infinito\sh: excuse me... i know i'm sooo tiring, but can u give any idea about howto get gcfilms synced??05:46
infinito\sh: i've talked with elmo yesterday and he told me wiki was not the way to do it...05:46
\shpef: autotools-dev05:48
pefinfinito: I think the package needs a review before being integrated05:48
\shpef: normally it's delivered05:48
pef\sh: I just want to delete them from my .diff.gz ;) another method than moving debian folder ?05:48
\shconfig.{guess,sub} is in $(CURDIR)...you could backup the old ones, put the new ones during configure, and after installing you can put the old ones back in place05:50
pef\sh: I have them in curdir and in curdir/admin too05:50
\shpef: kde stuff?05:51
pef\sh: yep05:51
\shpef: hmm...u don't do a autogen.sh?05:51
\shinfinito: hmm....05:52
\shinfinito: I'll try another way later this evening...05:52
infinito\sh: thanks a lot05:52
infinito\sh: feature freeze is tomorrow, so maybe we're on time to make it into breezy....05:52
\shogra: ping05:53
ogra\sh, ?05:53
pefinfinito: feature freeze means no new packages into universe, too ?05:54
\shogra: feature freezy will affect universe as well as hard as main?05:54
infinitopef: not sure... maybe im wrong05:54
\shI'm really tired05:54
kokesiretart: have you seen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319527 ?05:56
kokedo you now if it already builds on breezy ppc?05:57
ograi dont think we will handle it as serious05:57
ogra\sh, ^^05:57
kokeI can try this night at home05:57
ograas well as we dont handle UVF as serious...05:57
\shogra: I'm really ashamed what happened yesterday with xterm...i was somewhere else with my brain and didn't think about upstream freeze *grrrr*05:57
SloMoSnailkoke: the qemu version siretart uploaded today builds on amd64, x86 and ppc ;)05:57
ograyup... i saw it05:58
\shok...another try to go home...later guys05:58
kokeI must be blind :)05:58
kokeI just looked at packages.u.c05:59
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WaterSevenUbis anyone here using firestarter? I need to confirm a bug... in outbound connection events tab, click with the right button of the mouse. In my case, appears the same options as in an inbound event06:02
WaterSevenUbat least using a translated firestarter.. not sure if the same happens in pure english. In other words, select "outbound event" - "select with right button of the mouse" , compare the options with those of an "inbound event06:02
kokeWaterSevenUb: you can launch it untranslated running from a terminal06:06
kokeLC_ALL=C firestarter06:06
kokeor whatever the command is called06:06
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WaterSevenUbOk... it doesn't happen in pure english. I've checked the PO file and the strings are correctly translated. What is happening?06:16
WaterSevenUbkoke: in the translated firestarter there is the problem although the strings in the PO file are correctly translated.06:17
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kokeWaterSevenUb: check it at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/firestarter/+pots/firestarter/pt06:18
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WaterSevenUbkoke: ? (I am using that POT)06:21
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WaterSevenUbkoke: and with that POT, the "outbound events" options behave like "inbound events" even the translation is correct for the strings of the "outbound events" options.06:28
mbreithi guys06:32
bddebianHeya mbreit06:34
mbreithey bddebian06:35
sistpotyhi mbreit06:37
mbreithey sistpoty06:37
bddebianHeya sistpoty06:39
mbreitgrr.... i hate those segfault on the buildds06:39
mbreitthey prevent me from watching tv :(06:40
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pefSloMoSnail: ping06:52
SloMoSnailpef: pong06:52
pefSloMoSnail: kvpnc uploaded http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335 :)06:52
SloMoSnailpef: where's the diff?06:55
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pefSloMoSnail: wrong link, sorry http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=33706:56
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SloMoSnailpef: maybe call dh_desktop at the end of install06:59
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pefSloMoSnail: right (It's my first cdbs package ;)07:00
SloMoSnaili wonder why the kde class doesn't call dh_desktop... the gnome one does...07:03
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SloMoSnailare the buildds broken atm? there are so many weird errors...07:05
SloMoSnailpef: reuploaded with dh_desktop?07:06
pefSloMoSnail: I have others comments in #kubuntu-devel ;)07:06
SloMoSnailok ;)07:06
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SloMoSnailsiretart: do you know what happened your liferea upload yesterday? i got the accept mail but it haven't reached the buildds yet...07:22
SloMoSnailpef: what are the remaining problems the kubuntu people found?07:29
pefSloMoSnail: things like s|/usr/bin||g in debian/menu, s/vpn/VPN (virtual private network)/ and others things making a package _very_ nice :)07:30
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pefSloMoSnail: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=33807:30
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SloMoSnailok, looks better ;) any other things remaining?07:32
pefSloMoSnail: I think no07:33
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SloMoSnailpef: but i have some... in the debian directory are some files which should be cleaned... for example the stamps07:36
tritiumbddebian, hey man07:37
pefSloMoSnail: where ? I can't see theme here http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc_0.7.2-1ubuntu1.diff07:38
SloMoSnailomg... they're in the upstream tarball...07:39
SloMoSnailok, then everything's fine ;)07:39
bddebiantritium!!  Where you been man?07:39
bddebiantritium: All moved?07:39
tritiumbddebian, dude, moving07:39
pefSloMoSnail: and I can't delete them from orig tarball :/07:39
tritiumbddebian, Yeah, we arrived in Albuquerque Sunday night.  It'll be a few more days before I have broadband up.07:40
SloMoSnailpef: yeah... doesn't matter... ok, now lets see if this builds ;)07:40
pefI really have to go07:40
bddebiantritium: Ah, cool07:40
pefSloMoSnail: don't forget to add any comments to revu07:41
tritiumbddebian, anyway, I'm at a coffee shop getting wireless for a few minutes.  I got an email regarding your attempted upload.  Did you fix it?07:41
mbreitpef: why do you put the desktop-file in debian/usr/share/applications/kde/kvpnc.desktop?07:41
SloMoSnailpef: don't worry :) when everything's fine you get a vote from me07:41
SloMoSnailmbreit: i wanted to ask this :P07:41
bddebiantritium: For which?07:41
tritiumbddebian, python-pyrtf07:41
bddebianHmm, I dunno if I saw that07:42
mbreitfrom debian/rules: mv debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applnk/Internet/kvpnc.desktop debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applications/kde/07:42
pefthe file is automaticaly copied to the right location07:42
tritiumbddebian, from katie07:42
mbreitpef: you should put it in debian/kvpnc.desktop and move it in debian/rules to the right location07:42
tritiumwell, I need to get going here.  I'll be in touch as soon as I can.  Give me a few more days to get settled before I'm online more regularly07:43
mbreitdebian/kvpnc should be deleted in the clean-target, so there shouldn't be any important files07:43
bddebiantritium: I just got whitelisted a couple days ago07:43
tritiumago :)07:43
bddebiantritium: Oh, enjoy :-)07:43
SloMoSnailmbreit: yes... and currently the original desktop file in src is copied over there... and not the one in debian/07:43
SloMoSnailpef: are they the same?07:43
tritiumbddebian, okay, have a good day.  I'll be in touch soon.  bye07:43
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pefSloMoSnail: no07:43
mbreitthen it should just be deleted in clean...07:43
SloMoSnailpef: here they are the same ;)07:44
mbreitpef: otherwise it looks very nice... to bad that i have no voting rights on revu, you would get my vote besides that issue above ;)07:45
pefvery proud to hear this :)07:45
SloMoSnailpef: i would suggest to just remove the desktop file from the debian directory... you aren't using it anyways ;)07:45
SloMoSnailpef: just solve this small issue and you get the vote07:45
SloMoSnailpef: (builds fine here)07:46
pefSloMoSnail: adding a rm desktop file to clean target ?07:49
SloMoSnailnope... just remove the debian/usr directory from the diff07:49
mbreitSloMoSnail: the desktop file should be deleted with the clean target...07:49
pefmbreit: rm -rfd debian/usr to clean target is ok ?07:50
mbreitpef: well, _should_ be, but better ask a motu with some experiences (i am not a motu)07:51
SloMoSnailpef: debian/usr isn't created by the build process... seems like you created it ;) just remove this directory from your diff and everything will be cleaned correctly07:51
mbreitoh, okay, i see07:51
mbreiti thought it was debian/kvpnc/... and that is generated during the build07:52
mbreitpef: believe SloMoSnail, he's right ;)07:52
SloMoSnailmbreit: yes... but cdbs removes this stuff itself while cleaning ;)07:52
mbreitSloMoSnail: that's the point which was striking me ;)07:53
SloMoSnailok, fine :) now everybody is happy and i'll get something to eat :) brb07:54
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bddebianwb SloMoSnail08:01
SloMoSnailhey bddebian :)08:03
pefSloMoSnail: I really have to go, will make the lasts changes tomorow morning :)08:03
SloMoSnailpef: no problem :) just send me a note when you've uploaded that version08:04
pefSloMoSnail: of course :)08:04
mbreitbtw: pef, SloMoSnail: just a hint: md5sum ;)08:04
pefbye !08:04
mbreitoh, forget it ;)08:04
SloMoSnailmbreit: you're just blind ;P the orginal tarball was bz2... this one is exactly the same with gz ;)08:04
mbreitSloMoSnail: yes, that was my problem ;)08:05
mbreitSloMoSnail: but anyway different packages08:05
SloMoSnailmbreit: i ran diff over them and they were the same08:06
mbreitbut if i unzip them both, they have different md5sum08:07
mbreitso the tarballs are not the same08:07
mbreitmaybe just repackaged..08:07
SloMoSnailmaybe... well i haven't tested that... i unpacked them completly and ran diff over the resulting directories08:08
SloMoSnailimho no problem08:08
sistpoty<- in method getFood() : undefined reference to fridge...08:19
sistpotycya later08:19
SloMoSnailwahh... missed Mez :/08:39
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bddebianSloMoSnail: There he is :-)08:46
SloMoSnail...and there he goes...08:48
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danbIs it too late for sane 1.0.16 to get into breezy?10:33
ajmitchlibsane is in main, the cli tools are in universe10:34
ajmitchso you'd need to convince mdz/Kamion about libsane10:34
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danbajmitch: what version of libsane is in breezy now?10:35
danb1.0.15 or 1.0.15cvs?10:36
ajmitchthe package version is 1.0.15-9ubuntu5, so I'd need to loko at the changelog to see if patches have been grabbed from cvs for it10:38
danbajmitch: so you don't think its too late to get 1.0.16 in then?10:38
ajmitchmaybe not, but you'd have to justify breaking the freeze for it10:39
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danbajmitch: Could I upgrade just that package in Hoary, or would I have to update all of KDE to breezy just to get a new libsane?10:41
ajmitchI wouldn't know10:42
danbIn fact I'm running KDE 3.4.2 ontop of kubuntu, if that helps?10:42
ajmitchyou'd have to look at the dependencies10:42
danbaj: you running breezy?10:42
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danbhow (un)stable is it now?10:43
danbis it useable yet?10:43
ajmitchquite usable10:45
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