[12:02] <ogra> the other one is a broadcom based linksys card... running with ndiswrapper on amd64 ....
[12:03] <ogra> and the built in card of my lappie doesnt work at all (no drivers)
[12:03] <ajmitch> you can use ndiswrapper on amd64?
[12:04] <Nafallo> debians kismet defaults to have gps and all files in /usr/local/* right now :-P
[12:04] <ajmitch> that sounds very broken
[12:05] <Nafallo> indeed
[12:05] <ajmitch>  2005.06.r1-1 ?
[12:05] <Nafallo> yes
[12:05] <Nafallo> I debdiff against us and got afraid ;-)
[12:05] <Nafallo>  # User to setid to (should be your normal user)
[12:05] <Nafallo> -suiduser=your_user_here
[12:05] <Nafallo> +#suiduser=your_user_here
[12:06] <Nafallo> yay! :-P
[12:06] <ajmitch> well it's a new upstream, of course there'll be lots of changes :)
[12:06] <Nafallo> debian is - ;-)
[12:06] <ogra> ajmitch, yes, you can use ndiswrapper on amd64 , since v1.1 and only with broadcom cards with win64bit driver.... but i'm fighting for a change in the package so it builds for amd64 too for breezy ...
[12:06] <ajmitch> a shame my old AP is dead..
[12:07] <ajmitch> at least the airport express downstairs still works :)
[12:14] <Nafallo> hmm, let's see.
[12:40] <Nafallo> why is backports bad == because of 1h chatting with people that thinks guifications should go in hoary-updates cause 2.10 didn't work properly when you click on the notification.
[12:40] <Nafallo> *sigh* I hate users :-P.
[12:41] <Nafallo> (hoary has 2.9-1 btw)
[12:41] <ajmitch> hey dholbach
[12:41] <dholbach> thanks for the good reviews on prefixsuffix and istanbul :)
[12:41] <dholbach> hi ajmitch
[12:43] <Burgundavia> why is it that as soon as I run a program in gdb, it doesn't crash?
[12:43] <ajmitch> heisenbug
[12:43] <ajmitch> or often a race condition or similar :)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> this is a random synaptic crash. very frustrating to figure out
[12:44] <Nafallo> Burgundavia: yay! please fix it :-)
[12:44] <Burgundavia> Nafallo, I don't code
[12:44] <Burgundavia> I am just looking to see if it is same as the existing bugs
[12:45] <Nafallo> my mouse feels like a magic wand when I'm close to that window. it just vanishes :-).
[12:45] <Burgundavia> yes
[12:45] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: need a faster computer :)
[12:46] <Burgundavia> faster debugging by have the program crash faster?
[12:48] <Lathiat> no
[12:48] <Lathiat> then at debug speeds
[12:48] <Lathiat> it'l run as fast as normal on your computer now
[12:48] <Lathiat> so it'l work. :)
[12:49] <dholbach> Burgundavia: try to build it as a debug package and try again
[12:49] <Burgundavia> dholbach, synaptic works in gdb, unlike other stuff
[12:49] <dholbach> Burgundavia: at the end of wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips is a brief description
[12:49] <Burgundavia> I just can't make it crash
[12:50] <dholbach> Burgundavia: maybe it crashes with debugging symbols :-p
[12:50] <Burgundavia> rofl
[12:53] <sistpoty> hm... i just tried to build kaffe (UniverseUnmetDeps) and it seems that in debian all issues have been adressed... (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318785)... should i put kaffe to the sync from debian-section?
[12:57] <ajmitch> might as well
[12:57] <ajmitch> does it break UVF?
[12:59] <sistpoty> hm... well kaffe is currently broken, and imo a debian sync would fix it
[01:00] <ajmitch> right
[01:02] <sistpoty> I'll try to build with latest sid source... if it succeeds, i'll put it to sync from debian, ok?
[01:02] <ajmitch> ok
[01:03] <sistpoty> but I'll do that tomorrow ;) (took an eternity to build with sid-sources)
[01:03] <sistpoty> err with breezy-sources
[01:05] <dholbach> :-)
[01:08] <SloMoSnail> good night everybody :)
[01:08] <sistpoty> gn8 SloMoSnail
[01:10] <Nafallo> night all
[01:14] <Burgundavia> tseng, muine also crashes after finishing the last song in the queue
[01:14] <tseng> im not sure what you want me to tell you
[01:14] <Burgundavia> nothing
[01:14] <tseng> it doesnt crash that often here
[01:15] <Lathiat> Burgundavia: what plugins are you using?
[01:15] <tseng> Burgundavia: nothing.
[01:16] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, only the notty area one
[01:16] <Lathiat> whats that?
[01:16] <tseng> trayicon
[01:16] <Burgundavia> ya
[01:16] <Lathiat> oh right
[01:16] <Lathiat> well
[01:16] <Lathiat> works for me
[01:27] <tseng> exactly
[01:28] <Burgundavia> why I am only bothering you here and not with a bug report
[01:28] <tseng> ok, as long as you dont expect me to take action
[01:28] <Burgundavia> I realize that there is little you can do
[01:32] <Lathiat> heh
[01:32] <Lathiat> does mono have a working debugger?
[01:33] <tseng> what did I say yesterday
[01:33] <tseng> and debugging gstreamer apps
[01:34] <Lathiat> i have no idea i wasnt watching yesterday :)
[01:34] <tseng> its useless
[01:34] <Lathiat> right
[01:34] <tseng> in my experience
[01:34] <Lathiat> yay :(
[01:34] <Lathiat> debug it on windows ;p
[01:34] <tseng> a few times a second
[01:34] <tseng> you get timer events from gst
[01:34] <tseng> if you try and step through it
[01:35] <tseng> you will be there all day
[01:35] <tseng> if you try and step in bigger blocks, you throw SIGPOWER all over the floor
[01:35] <Lathiat> hrm :\
[01:36] <Lathiat> avahi_set_errno (client, AVAHI_ERR_DBUS_ERROR);
[01:36] <Lathiat> oops
[01:53] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, why are you subscribed to the entire wiki?
[01:53] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: a lack of sanity
[01:53] <Burgundavia> ok, just wondering
[01:54] <ajmitch> I should try & restrict the regex to motu related topics
[01:55] <dholbach> :)
[01:55] <ajmitch> dholbach: as I said, lack of sanity ;)
[01:55] <dholbach> merci beaucoup
[01:56] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:56] <Burgundavia> well, I have been filled your inboxes with crap recently
[01:56] <ajmitch> I don't mind
[01:57] <ajmitch> it's a drop in the bucket compared to the other crap I get :)
[01:57] <Burgundavia> ajmitch, are you also crazy enough to suscribe to the entire of the bugzilla?
[01:57] <ajmitch> oh no
[01:57] <ajmitch> I'm not that silly
[01:59] <Burgundavia> there can't be that many (I am one of them)
[01:59] <ajmitch> heh
[02:28] <dholbach> hm a 60k apt/sources.list doesnt seem to work
[02:31] <Lathiat> 60k?
[02:32] <dholbach> yes
[02:44] <ajmitch> dholbach: apt-get.org ?
[02:44] <dholbach> yes :)
[02:44] <dholbach> i have to finish something for feature freeze
[02:44] <dholbach> so i'm further automating that crack via python-apt
[02:45] <ajmitch> ah great :)
[02:46] <ajmitch> how's that going?
[02:46] <dholbach> awfully slow
[02:46] <ajmitch> makes sense
[02:46] <ajmitch> I have a script that works on parsing source lists
[02:46] <ajmitch> probably written the slowest way possible though
[02:47] <dholbach> same for me :)
[02:47] <ajmitch> it's what I used for the rfp list, zope lists etc
[02:47] <ajmitch> not using python-apt, though :)
[02:47] <dholbach> WOW, it now downloads NEW source packages
[02:47] <dholbach> ROCKNROLL
[02:48] <ajmitch> great! :)
[02:48] <ajmitch> after a bad test of initramfs
[02:48] <dholbach> ouch
[02:48] <dholbach> now i need to figure out, if pbuilder works nicely with it, and i'm happy
[02:48] <ajmitch> I just had to get grub using initrd again
[02:51] <ajmitch> ok, off to lunch, back to work, bbl ;)
[02:51] <dholbach> see you
[03:10] <bddebian> Ah, this channel is so exciting this time of day :-)
[03:11] <bmonty> bddebian, you make it exciting :)
[03:12] <bddebian> Well I have to be good for SOMETHING :-)
[03:13] <bmonty> looks like I have a nice thunderstorm heading my way
[03:14] <bddebian> We had ours yesterday
[03:15] <bmonty> I hope it is decent so I won't have to go out and water the yard tonight
[03:16] <bddebian> Damn I hate job hunting :-(
[03:18] <comadreja> hello all
[03:18] <bddebian> Heya comadreja
[03:18] <bmonty> hey comadreja
[03:18] <comadreja> how are you all
[03:19] <comadreja> sorry for not being visible last days
[03:19] <comadreja> I'm having some terrible job pressure
[03:19] <bddebian> Heh, I know that feeling :-)
[03:20] <comadreja> We need to finish some software and we have not enough people
[03:20] <comadreja> it's like we'd like to have ten hands
[03:21] <bddebian> I'd be happy if I worked with people that had 1 brain.. ;-)
[03:21] <comadreja> hehehe really ? that bad ?
[03:21] <bmonty> so if I have a debdiff file, how do I apply it against an unpacked source tree?
[03:21] <bddebian> comadreja: Yes
[03:22] <bddebian> bmonty:  patch -p[patch level]  < foo.debdiff I think
[03:23] <bmonty> bddebian: yeah, that worked, thanks
[03:24] <bddebian> NP
[03:25] <ajmitch> hi bmonty, bddebian
[03:25] <bmonty> hi ajmitch
[03:25] <ajmitch> bddebian: job hunting? again?
[03:26] <comadreja> hey ajmitch :)
[03:26] <ajmitch> hi comadreja
[03:27] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch, yeah, unfortunately
[03:27] <bddebian> ajmitch: Well I didn't get fired this time if that is what you mean :-)
[03:27] <comadreja> I'm looking for a new job too...
[03:28] <comadreja> this one is too stressing
[03:28] <ajmitch> bddebian: well that's an improvement :)
[03:28] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:29] <ajmitch> what's wrong with your current job?
[03:30] <bddebian> It sucks
[03:31] <ajmitch> that's very descriptive
[03:33] <bddebian> Over 2 hours to get to work this morning.  Stupid people.  Ignorant / non-involved management. Windows ;-) Ad nauseum :-)
[03:33] <Lathiat> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791782530
[03:34] <ajmitch> bddebian: ah, I use windows, but it's a <10 minute walk to work for me :)
[03:35] <bddebian> Lathiat: :-)
[03:35] <bddebian> ajmitch: I think I'll try the FSF admin job.. ;-P
[03:35] <ajmitch> good luck
[03:36] <ajmitch> don't let them catch you installing non-free software on there ;)
[03:36] <bddebian> Bah, they're in Boston.  Screw that. :-)  Not to mention about 1/2 of what I make currently :-)
[03:36] <Lathiat> haha
[03:36] <ajmitch> you're meant to work for them for the love of The Cause
[03:37] <bmonty> Boston rules
[03:37] <bddebian> ajmitch: Not hardly d00d :-)
[03:37] <bddebian> I don't think they'd appreciate me pummeling RMS ;-P
[03:37] <ajmitch> bddebian: RMS would be your boss
[03:37] <bddebian> bmonty: Well it would be a little bit of a drive and I'm not moving for half my current pay ;-)
[03:38] <bmonty> you could try it out, and then get a higher paying IT job....there are plenty of them in that area
[03:40] <bmonty> hey I like that cotton!
[03:41] <bddebian> Hmm, yeah going from Director of IT at a Nike Division to IT Manager at my current company to "sysadmin" at the FSF looks really good on the CV/Resume ;-P
[03:42] <ajmitch> bddebian: hey, you can put 'MOTU' on there soon ;)
[03:42] <bddebian> No apparently I can't since no one shows up to meetings and Mez says I need "someone to vouch for me" ;-P
[03:43] <ajmitch> yes, you do need a couple of people to speak up for you
[03:43] <ajmitch> and this week's TB meeting was unfortunate
[03:44] <bmonty> bddebian: :P
[03:44] <ajmitch> if you stop, noone will speak up for you ;)
[03:45] <bddebian> Sounds like a chicken and egg problem to me.. :-)
[03:45] <bddebian> dholbach: ?
[03:45] <dholbach> looks as we had that conversation already earlier today :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Oh, sorry
[03:46] <dholbach> don't worry
[03:46] <bddebian> ajmitch didn't get to hear my whining ;-)
[03:46] <dholbach> ah ok :)
[03:46] <ajmitch> bddebian: I think I can live without hearing it
[03:47] <bddebian> dholbach: See, I get no love.. ;-P
[03:47] <dholbach> bddebian: me neither - python hates me
[03:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: python is lovely
[03:48] <ajmitch> dholbach: when do you need this script working?
[03:49] <dholbach> feature freeze is ... erm tomorrow?
[03:49] <dholbach> and i need to have it working/building/... :)
[03:49] <ajmitch> ok, I can help out if you want :)
[03:49] <dholbach> right now i'm trying to do something simple
[03:49] <ajmitch> I understand mdz wanted a list of packages to import by freeze time?
[03:49] <ajmitch> or at least packages to review
[03:50] <dholbach> yes and that (for me) depends on building a huge load of packages, which could be reviewed
[03:50] <dholbach> and a list of stuff that doesnt build, but might be working after a bit of fiddling
[03:50] <dholbach> (and sorted out all the crack that we have)
[03:50] <dholbach> you don't want to do that manually
[03:51] <ajmitch> certainly true
[03:51] <dholbach> right now, i want something like    pbuilder build bla*.dsc     (bla is in a string i have)
[03:51] <dholbach> and i'm crying over Popen
[03:51] <ajmitch> I've got a little bit of spare cpu power here for building & I can run scripts ;)
[03:51] <dholbach> i'm sure that's crackful
[03:51] <ajmitch> hmm, I used popen, I'm sure..
[03:52] <dholbach> ok
[03:52] <dholbach> problem is bla*.dsc has to process by another command
[03:52] <ajmitch>         if os.system("/usr/bin/dpkg --compare-versions %s %s %s" %
[03:52] <ajmitch>                      (versions[0] ,
[03:52] <ajmitch>                       operator,
[03:52] <ajmitch>                       versions[1] )):
[03:52] <ajmitch> nope, I used that
[03:52] <ajmitch> the shell needs to expand * ?
[03:52] <dholbach> yes
[03:52] <dholbach> i got an error
[03:52] <dholbach> "bla*.dsc is no suitable" candidate or something
[03:53] <ajmitch> can your python program not write this into a script & then exec /bin/bash ?
[03:53] <ajmitch> evil, I know
[03:53] <dholbach> hm
[03:53] <dholbach> yes
[03:53] <dholbach> it could
[03:53] <dholbach> *clickediclack*
[03:53] <ajmitch> but this doesn't have to be nice, it just has to work
[03:54] <bmonty> what is the purpose of the script?
[03:54] <ajmitch> bmonty: take a *large* list of apt sources, get the src packages contained there, and build them, afaik
[03:55] <ajmitch> bddebian: that's crazy - these packages are often full of crap, to put it mildly
[03:56] <bddebian> ajmitch: The UniverseUnmetDeps packages?
[03:56] <ajmitch> apt-get.org
[03:56] <bmonty> if the packages are full of crap, why build them?
[03:56] <dholbach> ajmitch: you rock
[03:56] <ajmitch> unmet deps are different
[03:56] <dholbach> os.system did it
[03:56] <bddebian> Oohh, sorry
[03:56] <ajmitch> dholbach: excellent
[03:56] <dholbach> i used subprocess.call() before
[03:56] <dholbach> rock AND roll
[03:57] <bddebian> Don't we have enough work to do without apt-get.org? :-)
[03:57] <ajmitch> bddebian: yes, we do
[03:57] <comadreja> dholbach : glob ?
[03:57] <ajmitch> and I feel bad about not doing my share
[03:57] <bddebian> As well you should :-)
[03:57] <dholbach> comadreja: glob?
[03:58] <comadreja> dholbach : glob.glob ("*.dsc")
[03:58] <seth_k> bddebian, the buildds eat children if you make them unhappy :D
[03:58] <dholbach> ajmitch: don't worry
[03:58] <comadreja> will return a list of *.dsc files
[03:58] <Lathiat> seth_k: heh
[03:58] <bddebian> seth_k: Well as long as they aren't MY children :-)
[03:58] <dholbach> comadreja: oh cool... next time :)
[03:58] <dholbach> ok it works
[03:58] <dholbach> runs
[03:58] <dholbach> makes sleep badly
[03:58] <dholbach> but it runs
[03:59] <ajmitch> hehe
[03:59] <ajmitch> dholbach: so it's building all of apt-get.org now?
[03:59] <dholbach> it tries to
[03:59] <dholbach> all the stuff we don't have
[03:59] <ajmitch> ok
[04:00] <ajmitch> if there's any other scripting needed, I can probably supply :)
[04:00] <ajmitch> I've still got to get the source for unmet deps
[04:00] <bmonty> is packages.ubuntu.com, the latest and greatest on packages that are available?
[04:00] <dholbach> i'll see what the output is tomorrow
[04:00] <dholbach> ok... have a good night
[04:00] <dholbach> i'm off
[04:00] <bmonty> nite dholbach
[04:01] <dholbach> it's !!!! 4 !!!! already
[04:01] <bddebian> Later dholbach
[04:01] <ajmitch> dholbach: good work, night
[04:01] <dholbach> night bmonty, ajmitch, comadreja, Lathiat, bddebian - you guys rock!
[04:01] <ajmitch> bddebian: are there any packages that just need a rebuild that I can upload?
[04:01] <bmonty> ajmitch: doodle is ready to go, there is a link to the debdiff on unmet deps page
[04:01] <bddebian> ajmitch: There were, but I think Nafallo may have hit them today
[04:02] <ajmitch> ok
[04:02] <ajmitch> I see you have vipec listed as needs love, there's a patch in debian's BTS that I'll apply
[04:03] <bmonty> BTW, whats the deal with gcc 4.0 not building packages?
[04:03] <bddebian> bmonty: A lot of it are just more strict C rules
[04:03] <ajmitch> gcc 4.0 is a lot stricter
[04:03] <ajmitch> bmonty: doodle is just a rebuild?
[04:03] <bmonty> k, makes sense
[04:03] <bmonty> ajmitch: I had to change the control file
[04:03] <ajmitch> then you have to change the version to reflect that
[04:04] <ajmitch> you can't just have a build1 version if you change anything else
[04:04] <bmonty> so should it be 0.6.2-ubuntu1?
[04:04] <ajmitch> next debian upload that MoM synced would overwrite that
[04:04] <ajmitch> 0.6.2-3ubuntu1
[04:04] <bmonty> k, I'll fix that
[04:05] <ajmitch> * change libdoodle dependency to libextractor1c2
[04:05] <ajmitch> makes no sense
[04:06] <bddebian> Goddamn, everyone wants programmers.. :'-(
[04:06] <bmonty> it was libextractor1c which is now libextractor1c2
[04:06] <ajmitch> then say that :)
[04:06] <ajmitch> I can see that when I look at the control file, but not at the changelog
[04:07] <bmonty> ok
[04:07] <ajmitch> and mention the build-dep change as well
[04:07] <ajmitch> and add the fam dep back in
[04:08] <ajmitch> when you asked the other day, you said that libfam0 depends on it
[04:08] <ajmitch> it only recommends
[04:08] <ajmitch> bddebian: see, I'm this picky with other people, not just you ;)
[04:08] <bmonty> ok, got it
[04:15] <bmonty> ajmitch: where did you see a build-dep change?
[04:17] <ajmitch> sorry, not build-dep, but depends for doodled
[04:17] <bmonty> ok, I got that
[04:17] <crimsun> hum.
[04:17] <ajmitch> hey crimsun
[04:17] <crimsun> hey ajmitch, bmonty, bddebian
[04:18] <bmonty> hey crimsun
[04:18] <crimsun> strange, i386 failed pyxmms
[04:18] <ajmitch> why is that strange?
[04:18] <chillywilly> hi
[04:19] <crimsun> ajmitch: python2.3 is uninstallable on i386?
[04:19] <ajmitch> crimsun: it shouldn't be, let me check
[04:19] <ajmitch> zope still depends on it
[04:19] <bmonty> ajmitch: new debdiff is at http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/doodle_0.6.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff
[04:20] <crimsun> the other three arches built it just fine, so it should have built on i386
[04:20] <crimsun> looks like a chroot issue
[04:20] <bddebian> Heya crimsun
[04:21] <ajmitch> crimsun: definitely, apt-get update must have failed
[04:21] <bddebian> chillywilly!!!!!!!!
[04:21] <ajmitch> see the 'could not stat..' lines
[04:21] <crimsun> yep
[04:21] <chillywilly> bddebian!!!
[04:21] <ajmitch> bmonty: much better :)
[04:22] <bmonty> thanks :)
[04:23] <ajmitch> getting build-deps, this could take awhile
[04:24] <chillywilly> ajmitch: did you get your net connection upgrade yet?
[04:24] <ajmitch> chillywilly: of course not
[04:24] <ajmitch> I live in NZ
[04:24] <chillywilly> bah...
[04:24] <chillywilly> well that sucks
[04:25] <bmonty> so, I'm looking at the package drip and it build-depends on libavifile-0.7 which apt says is uninstallable, but ubuntu.packages.com has it....what gives?
[04:25] <chillywilly> maybe you should switch the IP over carrier pigeon ;)
[04:26] <bddebian> bmonty: "apt-cache policy libavifile"
[04:26] <ajmitch> chillywilly: it'd probably be faster
[04:26] <chillywilly> HEH
[04:26] <ajmitch> get them to carry DVDs
[04:26] <ajmitch> jumbo packets
[04:26] <chillywilly> hehe
[04:28] <bmonty> bddebian: ok, but I can download the package from packages.ubuntu.com, thats why I'm confused
[04:28] <chillywilly> anyone know if the linux kernel went with the 4 digit version number thingy?
[04:28] <crimsun> yes
[04:28] <chillywilly> cause kernel.org show 2.6.12.4 being the latest stable version, so I was thinking they did
[04:28] <chillywilly> ok
[04:29] <crimsun> ubuntu uses the fourth number to denote the kernel abi
[04:29] <crimsun> (in the revision)
[04:30] <bddebian> bmonty: What repo does it say it's in?
[04:31] <bmonty> http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libavifile-0.7
[04:32] <bddebian> Hmm
[04:32] <ajmitch>   Version table:
[04:32] <ajmitch>      1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4 0
[04:32] <ajmitch>        1200 http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages
[04:32] <ajmitch> that is annoying - I had libavifile0.7 installed (no - )
[04:33] <bmonty> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[04:33] <bmonty> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:33] <bmonty>   libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed
[04:34] <bddebian> Hmm, I already have it installed it seems :-(
[04:34] <crimsun> wasn't libavifile-0.7 transitioned?
[04:35] <bddebian> There is a c2 but it's an older rev
[04:35] <bddebian>  .38 vs .43
[04:35] <ajmitch> crimsun: from c102, iirc
[04:36] <bmonty> bugzilla says it was renamed to libavifile-0.7
[04:37] <DoNnInHa> oi BIGBRUNO :)
[04:38] <BIGBRUNO> DoNnInHa: Hi
[04:38] <DoNnInHa> BIGBRUNO; :P
[04:39] <DoNnInHa> todo mundo aqui fala ingles11255
[04:39] <DoNnInHa> todo mundo aqui fala ingles?
[04:43] <bmonty> dvr source package has the same issue
[04:43] <bddebian> Someone please kill me
[04:44] <bddebian> Thanks Lathiat :-)
[04:47] <ajmitch> bmonty: doodle uploaded
[04:47] <bmonty> ajmitch: just same it on the RSS feed, thanks
[04:47] <bmonty> r/same/saw
[04:52] <ajmitch> bddebian: marks the debian bug for vipec, will fix soon :)
[04:52] <ajmitch> s/marks/marked/
[04:54] <bddebian> ajmitch: ?
[04:56] <DoNnInHa> noh
[04:56] <DoNnInHa> esse treim eh mto ruim
[04:56] <ajmitch> DoNnInHa: english in here, please
[04:56] <ajmitch> bddebian: on the wiki, I put a link to the debian bts entry for vipec..
[04:57] <bddebian> ajmitch: Ah, cool
[04:57] <DoNnInHa> quero ir pra brasnet :P nao sei falar ingles
[04:57] <DoNnInHa> bye
[04:58] <bddebian> Ohh, VP of IT and CIO for $200,000+.  That'd do ;-)
[04:58] <ajmitch> go for it
[04:58] <bddebian> Hell I'd buy ya a new laptop for that one ajmitch ;-P
[04:59] <DoNnInHa> fui
[05:00] <ajmitch> bddebian: that'd be nice ;)
[05:00] <ajmitch> sigh, a 1-line patch, which patch system should I use today?
[05:01] <chillywilly> debdiff ;)
[05:01] <ajmitch> chillywilly: useful comments, thanks :P
[05:01] <bddebian> write something in perl to patch it.. ;-P
[05:01] <chillywilly> oh crikey...
[05:01] <ajmitch> I mean like quilt, dpatch, etc
[05:02] <chillywilly> write a python script
[05:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: Be creative ;-P
[05:02] <chillywilly> that calls one of those and downloads pr0n
[05:03] <bddebian> Hehe
[05:03] <LaserJock> Is anybody familiar with the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile wiki page?
[05:03] <chillywilly> it's probably the page where there are univer packages without desktop files
[05:03] <chillywilly> universe too
[05:04] <chillywilly> :)
[05:04] <bddebian> Yep, that'd be it :-)
[05:04] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes, it's out of date, needs to be refreshed for breezy
[05:04] <LaserJock> well, yeah I know that :-)
[05:04] <LaserJock> I have some questions about it
[05:05] <LaserJock> I was wanting to help get some of those .desktop files made
[05:05] <LaserJock> but some of the packages listed don't seem to need .desktop files
[05:05] <ajmitch> LaserJock: great
[05:05] <ajmitch> that's why the list needs updated :)
[05:06] <ajmitch> I think it was made from packages that have a .menu file but no .desktop
[05:06] <LaserJock> do they all really need .desktop files though
[05:06] <LaserJock> ?
[05:06] <LaserJock> for instance, does vim-python need to be in the menu?
[05:07] <bddebian> Damn, $90,000/yr for a Sr. Linux Admin.. Sheesh
[05:07] <ajmitch> maybe not, but I'm not one to make that call :)
[05:07] <LaserJock> while that clutter users' menus?
[05:08] <LaserJock> *will
[05:08] <ajmitch> yes
[05:08] <chillywilly> bddebian: looking for a new job?
[05:08] <bddebian> chillywilly: Aye
[05:08] <ajmitch> we have to find some balance between making programs visible & not cluttering up the menus with hundreds of entries
[05:09] <LaserJock> well, is there other uses for the .desktop files beside menus?
[05:09] <LaserJock> I saw on the freedesktop.org site that it looked like their use for mimetypes is depriciated
[05:11] <ajmitch> not sure, there was talk of using them for a new gnome-app-install
[05:11] <ajmitch> I think the usage is just menu
[05:13] <LaserJock> well, it looks like we could use the NoDisplay key to keep non-gui type apps out of the menu, but still have the flexability to use it in the future
[05:14] <ajmitch> Amaranth is the menu man here
[05:14] <Amaranth> hihi
[05:14] <Amaranth> what's up?
[05:14] <Amaranth> NoDisplay is what smeg uses
[05:14] <ajmitch> UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[05:14] <Amaranth> so it'll work
[05:14] <Amaranth> if you use Hidden smeg won't see it and it's mime type info will be ignored
[05:15] <LaserJock> but is it worth the effort for a lot of the CLI type stuff?
[05:16] <ajmitch> Amaranth: aside from smeg, we're talking about making .desktop files for those packages that don't have them
[05:16] <Amaranth> ajmitch: i know, i was just telling him NoDisplay is the solution for hiding things
[05:16] <ajmitch> right
[05:18] <LaserJock> so should the focus be on Breezy and not Hoary?
[05:18] <bddebian> Yes
[05:18] <bddebian> I wonder if I can lie well enough for the Sr. Linux Admin job (RedHat and SuSe, yuck)
[05:18] <ajmitch> certainly
[05:18] <Amaranth> .desktop files are a nice low hanging fruit
[05:19] <bddebian> So is UniverseUnmetDeps
[05:19] <ajmitch> Amaranth: we need someone to collate .desktop files that people contribute
[05:19] <ajmitch> sincenot everyone can fix up & patch a package to include them
[05:19] <LaserJock> well, that was what I was wondering
[05:19] <Amaranth> i don't know how either :P
[05:20] <Amaranth> i can tell you a .desktop file is valid, but so can desktop-file-validate
[05:20] <ajmitch> right, I'll volunteer for now & hand it off to someone else who's worthy :)
[05:20] <ajmitch> it's mainly including it in the packaging, which I can do well enough
[05:20] <Amaranth> one of these days i'm going to start spamming bugs for invalid .desktop files
[05:20] <bmonty> ajmitch: I could help out with that also
[05:21] <ajmitch> bmonty: great, thanks
[05:21] <Amaranth> i've never added a file to a package, just edited existing files
[05:21] <ajmitch> we just need people to start submitting them
[05:21] <ajmitch> maybe Amaranth can spam the forums for contributions ;)
[05:21] <Amaranth> and there is the intltool scripts that need to be done that i don't know about
[05:21] <LaserJock> well, I'm not much of a packager, but the .desktop files are easy enough to make
[05:23] <bmonty> ajmitch: I'm working on a package called amsynth, it is copying in config.guess and config.sub from /usr/share/misc/config and causing the debdiff to be rather large with all the changes, is that cool for a package that only needs a rebuild?
[05:24] <LaserJock> what if we made a thread in the UbuntuForums Breezy Badger form where people could just post the .desktop files?
[05:24] <bddebian> bmonty: No, ignore that crap :-)
[05:24] <ajmitch> LaserJock: good idea
[05:25] <LaserJock> I think first off, the list of packages needing .desktop files needs to be updated
[05:25] <Amaranth> ajmitch: basically anything i could do for you is covered by a shell script
[05:25] <ajmitch> sure
[05:25] <ajmitch> Amaranth: ok :)
[05:25] <Amaranth> unless you need help figuring out what category to put something in
[05:26] <bmonty> bddebian: so...just cut it out of the debdiff?
[05:26] <bddebian> bmonty: I would but I'm probably the wrong person to ask :-)
[05:26] <ajmitch> bmonty: yeah, it's the easiest way for now
[05:26] <bmonty> too easy :)
[05:34] <LaserJock> so, would it be OK if I found the packages that needed .desktop files in Breezy and updated the wiki?
[05:35] <ajmitch> gah, what is mcs 1.0.5 source still doing in breezy?
[05:35] <bmonty> ajmitch: I added a debdiff for amsynth, just needs a rebuild
[05:35] <bmonty> and with that....good night everyone
[05:35] <bddebian> Good night bmonty, good work
[05:36] <ajmitch> bmonty: thanks, night
[05:40] <bddebian> Howdy ogra
[05:41] <ajmitch> that should never be on there, and mono-assemblies-arch should be gone from the archive
[05:42] <bddebian> So fix it d00d
[05:43] <ajmitch> umm, what do you think I'm doing?
[05:46] <bddebian> Yapping ;-P
[05:48] <Lathiat> haha
[06:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch: is there something I should do for this .desktop thing or should I let you (MOTU) take care of it?
[06:08] <ajmitch> write .desktop files? :)
[06:08] <ajmitch> we'll sort out what packages need them asap
[06:08] <LaserJock> who should I give them to?
[06:09] <LaserJock> should I just start posting them in the Ubuntu Forums?
[06:09] <LaserJock> or would the wiki be more appropriate?
[06:10] <ajmitch> wiki is where we will see them quicker
[06:10] <LaserJock> oh, ok
[06:18] <LaserJock> ok, another question, are the packages on the UniverseUnmetDeps wikipage for Breezy?
[06:18] <bddebian> Yes
[06:18] <LaserJock> only Breezy?
[06:18] <bddebian> Yes
[06:18] <LaserJock> cool, thanks
[06:18] <bddebian> NP
[06:19] <seth_k> speaking of .desktop files, someone want to figure out why this .desktop file refuses to show in the KDE menu?
[06:19] <bddebian> Time for me to head for bed.  Gnight folks, thanks LaserJock and good work as always ajmitch ;-)
[06:19] <seth_k> night bddebian
[06:19] <bddebian> Gnight seth_k :-)
[06:19] <LaserJock> goodnight
[06:22] <seth_k> http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/kmobiletools/ << I patched this to install its .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/kde, but it just will not show up in the K menu and I don't know why.
[06:22] <seth_k> after I can figure out this issue it gets to go on revu
[06:33] <LaserJock> seth_k: have you tried taking out the X-KDE and X_DCOP lines?
[06:34] <seth_k> LaserJock, not sure, I've tried so many things... I'll try that now :)
[06:34] <seth_k> I think I just cheated off of kandy's .desktop file or something
[06:35] <seth_k> okay, changed and building
[06:35] <seth_k> cross fingers!
[06:38] <Amaranth> X-* things are extensions to the spec and shouldn't make a difference
[06:38] <Amaranth> seeing how kde and gnome both ignore keys they don't understand
[06:38] <LaserJock> seth_k: looking at http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s04.html it says that you could use just StartupNotify=true and I would think you would want OnlyShowIn=KDE
[06:39] <Amaranth> wrong
[06:39] <Amaranth> if these could possibly have any use at all in GNOME or XFCE do not use OnlyShowIn=KDE
[06:40] <Amaranth> kmobiletools.desktop doesn't have a Categories key
[06:40] <Amaranth> so kmenu doesn't know where to put it
[06:40] <seth_k> yeah it does... at the bottom?
[06:40] <Amaranth> in your diff?
[06:41] <Amaranth> ah, ok
[06:42] <seth_k> removed the two X- lines, still not showing up
[06:42] <seth_k> I've verified that the file does exist at /usr/share/applications/kde/
[06:42] <Amaranth> you ran desktop-file-validate on the final .desktop file?
[06:42] <seth_k> yes
[06:42] <seth_k> no output
[06:43] <Amaranth> dunno what to tell you, it should be showing up in the 'Utilities' menu
[06:44] <seth_k> I know :(
[06:44] <seth_k> could it be an external bug?
[06:44] <seth_k> or is there some sort of update menus call I need to make in debian/rules ?
[06:44] <Lathiat> nope
[06:45] <Lathiat> but
[06:45] <Lathiat> your gnome-panel might suck
[06:45] <seth_k> I'm using KDE :P
[06:45] <Amaranth> it shows up here?
[06:45] <seth_k> ??
[06:45] <seth_k> it shows up in your menu?
[06:45] <Amaranth> it shows up in gnome-menus and kmenu
[06:45] <seth_k> O__O
[06:45] <Amaranth> well, my simplified version of it (stripped translations)
[06:45] <Amaranth> let me try to install the package
[06:46] <seth_k> thanks, Amaranth
[06:46] <Amaranth> it is showing up here
[06:46] <Amaranth> with the package
[06:47] <Amaranth> in kmenu and gnome-menus
[06:47] <seth_k> wow
[06:47] <seth_k> so all this time
[06:47] <seth_k> it's just been my kde that sucks
[06:47] <seth_k> hmmmmm
[06:47] <Amaranth> it's in utilities
[06:47] <seth_k> that's another problem for another day I guess
[06:47] <LaserJock> Amaranth: would it be possible to have smeg put OnlyShowIn=KDE in the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde/ as sort of a "on/off" flag?
[06:48] <Amaranth> LaserJock: it puts NoDisplay=true
[06:48] <LaserJock> aww, ok
[06:48] <Amaranth> and/or uses an <Exclude>, i can't remember what pyxdg does now
[06:48] <Amaranth> i follow the spec, not some hack :p
[06:49] <LaserJock> does it do that for all of the kde files or do you have to manually pick each one?
[06:49] <seth_k> I wonder why it wouldn't be showing up for me...
[06:49] <seth_k> Amaranth, are you running Breezy?
[06:49] <Amaranth> it does that for every file
[06:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: i don't touch files in /usr/share/applications/kde directly and i don't make a user copy with NoDisplay=true unless the user chooses to hide it
[06:50] <Amaranth> LaserJock: i don't make smeg systematically hunt for all KDE apps and hide them, that's stupid
[06:50] <LaserJock> yeah, that makes sense
[06:50] <Amaranth> seeing how KDE users use smeg
[06:51] <LaserJock> I just thought it would be cool to have a KDE "on/off" switch
[06:51] <LaserJock> same would apply to Gnome apps
[06:51] <Amaranth> bleh
[06:51] <Amaranth> users don't care
[06:51] <Amaranth> real users, not biased developer-users
[06:52] <Amaranth> kde app, gnome app, whatever, as long as it works
[06:53] <seth_k> Amaranth, are you running Breezy or Hoary?
[06:53] <LaserJock> sure, that makes sense8-)
[06:53] <Amaranth> seth_k: breezy
[06:53] <seth_k> thanks
[06:53] <seth_k> still odd, but oh well :)
[06:54] <LaserJock> heah Amaranth, I was wondering how did your hard drive overheated?
[06:55] <Amaranth> fsck
[06:55] <Amaranth> two HD sitting on top of each other and an auto-fsck
[06:55] <LaserJock> really?
[06:55] <Amaranth> stupid auto-fsck-after-30-mounts
[06:56] <Lathiat> heh
[06:56] <Lathiat> i hate that
[06:56] <LaserJock> what filesystem?
[06:56] <Lathiat> whatd rock
[06:56] <Lathiat> is online fscking
[06:56] <Amaranth> ext3
[06:56] <Lathiat> like ufs on freebsd has
[06:56] <Lathiat> -> win
[06:56] <Amaranth> the partition table was gone
[06:56] <Amaranth> every tool i could find that would read it said it was a new drive
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmmm, I've heard of using dd to copy the contents of a disk when other tools can't read it, but I've never tried it
[06:59] <Amaranth> i had two choices: sit without a computer and no way of repairing it for a month or repartition
[06:59] <Amaranth> and when that month was up i'd be somewhere where i won't have internet access
[06:59] <Amaranth> not often, anyway
[06:59] <Amaranth> college sucks
[07:00] <LaserJock> no internet access at college?
[07:00] <Lathiat> hrm, our colleges tend to have rathert good internet access
[07:00] <Amaranth> they don't have dorms, i'm living with an uncle until i get a place
[07:00] <Amaranth> it's a community college thing
[07:00] <LaserJock> where?
[07:01] <Amaranth> sioux city
[07:01] <LaserJock> cool, I'm in Reno, NV
[07:01] <Amaranth> (google, only one of those in the US)
[07:02] <Amaranth> iowa
[07:03] <LaserJock> never been to iowa, I've stayed to the Rockies or west :-)
[07:04] <Amaranth> *shrug*
[07:04] <Amaranth> anyway, game time, bbl
[07:04] <LaserJock> yeah, time to go to bed for me
[07:04] <LaserJock> good night all and thanks for the info ajmitch
[09:53] <cat> hey people
[10:19] <siretart> hi folks
[10:20] <\sh> hey siretart
[10:21] <siretart> huhu \sh, nice to soo read you :)
[10:22] <siretart> s/soo/ *g*
[10:29] <\sh> siretart: ah...I'm not trying to become mad ,-) right now I have too much workload here (!= ubuntu stuff)
[10:30] <siretart> oh, I feel with you. I had this the last 2 weeks :/
[10:32] <\sh> siretart: and my result was: uploading a new version to main without a permission *peinlich*
[10:33] <siretart> \sh: well, daniels gave you permission, dind't he?
[10:35] <\sh> siretart: but not kamion or matt...
[10:35] <\sh> hey ogra
[10:36] <Burgundavia> ogra, aside from ndis guid, what was the other tool your student was working on?
[10:53] <jstr> hey guys
[10:53] <jstr> I want to join up and write code for you
[10:55] <siretart> jstr: cool!
[10:56] <siretart> jstr: any special in mind?
[10:56] <jstr> well thats it... i dont know
[10:56] <jstr> i really like using c
[10:57] <jstr> im an undergraduate comp sci student with no actual programming experience in the work place, however i have completed heeps of units in the field
[10:59] <siretart> well, we seldom do actual coding. more often, we package programs, and have to fix compilation errors from software, which doesn't built with newer compilers like gcc-4.0
[10:59] <jstr> i have done units in C (in a UNIX environment), C++, to many java units :(, UML, project management
[10:59] <jstr> well, i know how to make MAKE files at least :)
[10:59] <siretart> :)
[11:00] <siretart> jstr: well, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[11:00] <siretart> jstr: we really need every helping hand, there are tons of stuff to do
[11:01] <jstr> well im prepared to put in at least an 8 hour day a week for the rest of the year
[11:01] <ajmitch> we don't do so much programming as packaging
[11:01] <ajmitch> that's good
[11:02] <jstr> its just so when i graduate i have some nice things to write on my resume
[11:02] <ajmitch> not because you want to help the community? ;)
[11:03] <jstr> that aswell.
[11:04] <ajmitch> we do a lot of fixing packages that are broken, creating new packages, etc
[11:05] <jstr> i have never done anything like that before so it will be something new for me to learn
[11:29] <sistpoty> hi all
[11:29] <janimo> hi sistpoty
[11:29] <ajmitch> hi sistpoty
[11:51] <\sh> mmm
[11:51] <\sh> hmmm
[11:51] <\sh> I should create a new ejabberd package
[11:51] <\sh> some good new features
[11:52] <janimo> \sh did the voip goal for breezy get deffered?
[11:52] <janimo> Isee you were on the team initially
[11:52] <ajmitch> you'll have to pass the motu review gauntlet first ;)
[11:52] <ajmitch> janimo: I think so
[11:52] <ajmitch> there are a few deferred goals, sadly
[11:52] <janimo> that shtoom one was very appealing though..
[11:53] <janimo> I guess upstream didn;t move fast enough
[11:53] <Lathiat> shtoom has a 2 second audio delay for me :\
[11:54] <\sh> janimo: yes...looks like...cause there r some issues twisted...
[11:54] <\sh> janimo: I tried twisted 2.x and shtoom but didn't work
[11:54] <Lathiat> \sh: it worked for me last check
[11:54] <Lathiat> always has really
[11:54] <Lathiat> for me anyway
[11:55] <\sh> Lathiat: I have to check it again
[11:56] <\sh> and I need to renew the SIP Express Router packages....
[11:56] <\sh> remove the provided debian/ dir and create a new one
[11:56] <janimo> I think the voip goal also dependen on some central ubuntu.com ids for users which is not in place right?
[11:57] <\sh> janimo: first of all, there must be a running environment of software
[11:57] <\sh> janimo: then we can implement some things like single sign on
[11:58] <janimo> \sh I know, I meant it's not only the technical issues that deffered the goal
[11:58] <\sh> janimo: time, workload, ressources
[12:03] <ajmitch> fun, new tomboy release out for tseng
[12:04] <\sh> janimo: yes
[12:05] <sistpoty> cu later
[12:08] <siretart> woah, revu backlog finally decreasing :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> yay
[12:09] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm, if i try to access the pingus .changes it gives a no permisison
[12:11] <siretart> Lathiat: the changes file are not meant to be downloaded
[12:12] <Lathiat> heh ok
[12:12] <siretart> Lathiat: I should perhaps delete them, but then I cannot reimport them in case of failure
[12:12] <siretart> Lathiat: the problem is: uploads made by motus could be uploaded by anyone to ubuntu, since our keys are also in the ubuntu keyring
[12:12] <siretart> Lathiat: I don't want this
[12:13] <Lathiat> ah right
[12:13] <Lathiat> i see
[12:13] <siretart> Lathiat: e.g. I just uploaded qemu to revu to get it tested for real x86. I'm not sure if that package is ok, so I don't want to have it in universe right now
[12:26] <ajmitch> argh, vegastrike dies
[12:33] <SloMoSnail> siretart: is the new ppc patch included with that qemu upload? (sorry, don't have much time atm... learning maths)
[12:42] <siretart> SloMoSnail: I took the latest debian version which could be built in debian
[12:42] <siretart> for ppc, that is
[12:45] <SloMoSnail> siretart: wonderfull :) i'll test it on x86 and ppc in a few minutes
[12:49] <ajmitch> sigh, vegastrike FTBFS
[12:55] <ogra> bah games...
[12:57] <ajmitch> ogra: they can be fun :)
[12:57] <ajmitch> also a waste of time
[12:57] <ogra> heh... yes...and the eat development tme :)
[12:57] <ogra> time
[12:57] <ajmitch> yes, I shouldn't do anything that would eat into MOTU time ;)
[01:00] <SloMoSnail> siretart: builds fine on x86
[01:04] <janimo> siretart using gcc-4?
[01:04] <janimo> cause that does not work with qemu AFAIK
[01:05] <SloMoSnail> janimo: nope... it is build with 3.4
[01:06] <janimo> I am looking now
[01:12] <janimo> built fine here on x86
[01:12] <janimo> and installedd too
[01:12] <SloMoSnail> janimo: same for me... and on ppc it is built fine in a few seconds it seems ;)
[01:12] <janimo> on x86 it took about 5mins
[01:21] <musicistaCont> i have a problem with kdevelop 3.2.0 code completion don't work only whit libstdc++ i make new PSC database but nothig what i have to do?
[01:21] <siretart> SloMoSnail: great, then I'll upload that qemu upload in a minute
[01:24] <janimo> easy way to clone a page in the wiki?
[01:24] <janimo> do a large page similar to an existing one so a new title basically
[01:25] <SloMoSnail> janimo: make a redirect... put just this in the new page: #REDIRECT OldPage
[01:27] <janimo> SloMoSail thanks
[01:35] <janimo> slomosnail, I want to clone the page but then heab=vily modify it, I want a template, not just an alias
[01:35] <janimo> is your suggestion still valid?
[01:36] <SloMoSnail> no... my suggestion was a plain redirect... no idea how you can achieve what you want...
[01:37] <janimo> hmm there are templates but not for maininclusionreports as I want to write
[01:38] <janimo> wikis are primitive :)
[01:38] <SloMoSnail> just take one of the other maininclusionreports and copy the stuff ;) that's how i made mine...
[01:38] <SloMoSnail> what package do you want in main?
[01:38] <ajmitch> night all
[01:39] <SloMoSnail> gn8 ajmitch
[01:39] <sistpoty> gn8 ajmitch
[01:39] <janimo> slomo, xfce4 & co
[01:39] <janimo> about 20-30 packages
[01:39] <janimo> I see edubuntu inclusion is nicely colored, I want that too :)
[01:41] <DanielN> someone around?
[01:42] <SloMoSnail> hi DanielN
[01:42] <DanielN> hi to all first :)
[02:11] <mbreit> hi all
[02:11] <Mez> what was the replacemtn for xlibmesa-gl ?
[02:15] <janimo> libgl1-xorg
[02:15] <janimo> apt-cache search xlibmesa-gl :)
[02:21] <pef> hello
[02:21] <mbreit> hi pef
[02:24] <SloMoSnail> is this new gnome clipboard daemon already in breezy? and what is it called?
[02:27] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: do you mean gcm?
[02:27] <mbreit> http://gcm.sourceforge.net/ ?
[02:27] <Lathiat> isnt it integrated into gnome-session-manager or somethign
[02:28] <SloMoSnail> no idea... i heard gnome 2.12 would have some kind of clipboard manager ;)
[02:45] <Amaranth> it does
[02:46] <Amaranth> gnome-clipboard-daemon isn't needed, it's been rolled into gnome-settings-daemon
[02:46] <Lathiat> right
[02:46] <Lathiat> as i thought
[02:46] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: settings or session?
[02:46] <Amaranth> settings
[02:47] <SloMoSnail> hmm... session seems to be more natural to me ;)
[02:47] <Amaranth> i remember this because when the bugs were getting worked out it was dying all the time
[02:47] <Amaranth> and you lose your theme and everything when it dies
[02:49] <Lathiat> heh
[02:49] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:49] <Lathiat> SloMoSnail: yeh cept its not a session daemon :)
[02:52] <tseng> Lathiat: sneaking in my first rails app at work
[02:52] <tseng> Lathiat: :D
[02:52] <Lathiat> tseng: haha
[02:52] <Lathiat> tseng: cool
[02:52] <Lathiat> i havent had much chance to play with it lately
[02:52] <Lathiat> busy on avahi and stuff
[02:53] <Lathiat> now my address is whitelisted i can go about getting these packages uploaded i've been fixing
[02:53] <SloMoSnail> tseng: can you upload the new cowbell from debian? ;)
[02:53] <tseng> no, but i can sync it
[02:53] <tseng> SloMoSnail: mail elmo, request cowbell sync from debian
[02:54] <tseng> james.troup @ C.com
[02:54] <SloMoSnail> isn't it just james?
[02:54] <tseng> james.troup WFM
[02:55] <SloMoSnail> ok, you're right
[02:57] <SloMoSnail> done
[02:58] <mbreit> btw: what happened to the i386 buildd? did it build EVER package? or just the ones that failed the last time?
[03:03] <mbreit> and i am going to update the unmet deps list.... since i think that all the rebuilds on the buildd could have changed a lot
[03:05] <crimsun> A good number of those unmet will need to be given back yet again due to i386 buildd screwage, it seems.
[03:05] <mbreit> it seems that the buildd is still rebuilding everything...
[03:25] <janimo> ogra do you know how can I steal EdubuntuMaininclusion page with minimal effort and use it a a template?
[03:25] <janimo> for xfce inclusion page
[03:25] <ogra> janimo, sure...
[03:25] <janimo> anything more intuitive than copy-paste the sources
[03:25] <ogra> janimo, but there also is a template page somewhere
[03:25] <janimo> could not find one with so many nice colors ;)
[03:26] <ogra> and a process description what is required and how to do it
[03:26] <janimo> I know the process but I wonder how do I say in the wiki: 'fork this page'
[03:27] <janimo> IOW edit the text inside the tables and leave the appearance
[03:27] <janimo> but a new copy not inplace over yours :)
[03:27] <ogra> click on a nonexistent report, change the url to your name and click on "create page"
[03:28] <janimo> yes but the new page will be blank w/o tables and other niceties
[03:28] <janimo> oh well
[03:29] <janimo> I guess I'll copy paste the source
[03:38] <Amaranth> hmm
[03:39] <Amaranth> why doesn't muine just use inotify through gamin through gnome_vfs_monitor_add?
[03:41] <Lathiat> cus gamin sucks? :)
[03:45] <Amaranth> ..
[03:45] <Amaranth> gamin doesn't suck, seb just didn't have the dependencies for gnome-menus setup right :p
[03:45] <Amaranth> ooh, that reminds me
[03:45] <Amaranth> gnome-menus 2.11.91 actually cleanly builds and runs on hoary, it's going into backports
[03:46] <Lathiat> heh
[03:46] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: better question: why doesn't muine use gst, taglib or this c# tag-thingie to read the tags? and why has it the formats it can play hardcoded... now it can't play musepack although gst supports it...
[03:46] <Amaranth> no <Layout> (dunno why) but since the breezy package depends on libgamin-dev it actually fixes the autoupdating
[03:46] <Amaranth> SloMoSnail: it came before all of that :P
[04:04] <pef> I've modified a home made deb package to be compliant with ubuntu, how should I submit it ? revu doesn't seems to be a good solution (no .diff)
[04:04] <pef> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335
[04:06] <SloMoSnail> pef: how have you created this package? dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa? then put the original source tarball in the parent directory (of the source directory) and name it kvpnc_0.7.2.orig.tar.gz
[04:06] <SloMoSnail> then you'll get a diff
[04:07] <pef> SloMoSnail: no, package made by the author
[04:07] <SloMoSnail> so the debian stuff was already in the upstream tarball?
[04:07] <pef> yes
[04:07] <pef> exactly
[04:07] <Amaranth> ick
[04:07] <SloMoSnail> wonderfull ;)
[04:08] <pef> :)
[04:08] <SloMoSnail> but then just do it as i said... should work ;)
[04:09] <Amaranth> linda output is awesome
[04:09] <Amaranth> This package appears to conform to a newer Standards-Version that has been released. One of us is incorrect.
[04:10] <Lathiat> haha
[04:10] <DanielN> hrmpf
[04:10] <pef> Amaranth: I've set Standards-Version to 3.6.2 in debian/control
[04:10] <DanielN> isn't it possible to debootstrap breezy from hoary?
[04:11] <Amaranth> linda is kind of a bitch, someone must not have liked their wife/girlfriend/mother
[04:11] <SloMoSnail> pef: when you've uploaded the version with the diff against the upstream tarball i'll look at it... from the changelog your changes sound sane ;)
[04:11] <pef> nice :)
[04:13] <SloMoSnail> hmm... Recommends: vpnc | freeswan
[04:14] <SloMoSnail> better Depend on it... at least it seems to be needed at runtime, right?
[04:14] <Amaranth> oh no, not another one of those
[04:14] <Amaranth> apt-file's package is like that too
[04:14] <Amaranth> supposedly it's a feature, not a bug
[04:15] <pef> SloMoSnail: freeswan is only usefull if you work on a freeswan vpn, otherwise useless depend
[04:15] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: hm what's it with apt-file? does it recommend curl although it needs it? ;)
[04:15] <Amaranth> yeah
[04:15] <Amaranth> curl or something else
[04:17] <SloMoSnail> pef: but i assume it doesn't work without one of these two...
[04:18] <pef> SloMoSnail: if freeswan isn't installed, only the protocol freeswan won't be available, but others yes
[04:18] <SloMoSnail> pef: and for copyright... it's GPL2 so change the path at the end to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2
[04:19] <SloMoSnail> pef: but does anything work with it when neither freeswan and vpnc are installed?
[04:20] <pef> SloMoSnail: You can use openvpn :) I have to check this field more carefully
[04:21] <SloMoSnail> pef: but then you must have openvpn installed ;) that's exactly the problem...
[04:22] <SloMoSnail> pef: and maybe use dh_install instead of install for the desktop file... but that shouldn't matter much :)
[04:22] <SloMoSnail> pef: other than that i'm ok with this package
[04:22] <pef> SloMoSnail: I think putting Depends: openvpn | freeswan | foo, so the package can be used and all "protocol" packages as Suggest ?
[04:23] <SloMoSnail> what are protocol packages?
[04:25] <pef> SloMoSnail: openvpn, vpnc, pptpclient, freeswan (to use the protocol in the program)
[04:27] <SloMoSnail> ah ok... so a depend on one of those and a suggest for all of them? hmm, could be ok but better ask someone else for that
[04:28] <SloMoSnail> but just notice me when you've uploaded a new version... i'll look through it then and maybe you get a vote ;)
[04:28] <pef> SloMoSnail: I had the same problem with datakiosk (databases utility), does I must include all qt db drivers ? (sqlite, mysql, pgsql, ...)
[04:29] <pef> SloMoSnail: just have this problem to solve and it will be uploaded
[04:30] <SloMoSnail> for me it sound correct to depend on one of the possibilities (a | b | c | ...) and Suggest all of them (a,b,c,...)
[04:39] <gary_> Hi there - is it okay for me to bring up an issue with a universe package here?
[04:39] <gary_> a missing dependency rather than a bug in the package, as such
[04:42] <pef> gary_: what's the problem ?
[04:42] <gary_> well I upgraded to breezy yesterday, and uim-common depends on (non-existent package) im-switch
[04:43] <gary_> im-switch is in debian unstable and experimental
[04:44] <gary_> I'd be happy to port the package, but I haven't reviewed the universe guidelines, and have only worked on packaging for one or two things before
[04:44] <gary_> and it might be too late for breezy now?
[04:50] <pef> how can I manage long debian/control fields ? (Suggests: longer than 80 characters)
[04:51] <Amaranth> pef: \n\t?
[04:51] <gary_> pef: debian-installer has a Build-Depends 1021 characters long
[04:52] <Nafallo> siretart: ping
[04:52] <siretart> Nafallo: pong
[04:53] <SloMoSnail> pef: just make it as long as it needs to be... only for description there's a limit of 80 chars
[04:53] <pef> thanks :)
[04:53] <Nafallo> siretart: what to do with im-switch? bring in a new package tweaked for xorg? :-)
[04:53] <pef> gary_: I think you should fill a bug report on malone
[04:54] <Amaranth> gcc-4.0's build-depends line is 2181 characters
[04:54] <siretart> Nafallo: erm, sorry. what is im-switch?
[04:54] <Amaranth> and vlc build-deps on 56 (!) different packages
[04:55] <Nafallo> siretart: ahh, you wasn't following :-). uim is on UniverseUnmetDeps, uim-common deps on im-switch. im-switch is in debian but not in ubuntu and deps on xfree86-common :-).
[04:55] <SloMoSnail> Amaranth: what about gst-plugins and mplayer? ;)
[04:56] <Amaranth> they don't come close according to this shell script written by a debian guy
[04:56] <Nafallo> siretart: the right solution would be to take im-switch from debian, modify and upload to REVU to fix uim?
[04:56] <siretart> Nafallo: does im-switch really need xfree86-common? I mean, can't the package be modified to work with xorg?
[04:56] <Amaranth> oh, gst-plugins0.8 is 51
[04:56] <Amaranth> mplayer isn't in the top 10
[04:56] <siretart> Nafallo: yes, that way we could have a look at it
[04:57] <Nafallo> siretart: oki, I'll see what I can do about it then :-)
[04:57] <Amaranth> vlc is tied with debian-installer
[05:13] <gary_> Nafallo: im-switch works fine for me just with the depends on xfree86-common replaced by xorg-common
[05:14] <gary_> Nafallo: and the postinst and prerm look safe enough with that dependency
[05:15] <Nafallo> gary_: oki, I'll upload to REVU then and hopes the acks from three other MOTUs goes quick ;-)
[05:17] <gary_> Nafallo: thanks! I'm sure the other IM frameworks are good, I'm just used to that one.
[05:17] <Nafallo> gary_: np :-)
[05:23] <siretart> Nafallo: I think you just uploaded a native package, was this intentional?
[05:25] <Nafallo> siretart: seems to be native in debian, not sure if we should follow that?
[05:25] <siretart> ok
[05:25] <Nafallo> siretart: I'll see what the comments gives ;-)
[05:29] <bddebian> Morning
[05:33] <\sh> grmpf
[05:34] <\sh> I wanted to go home..and now I'm sitting here and fixing eit streams for turkish dtv services
[05:34] <bddebian> Sounds fun :-)
[05:35] <bddebian> Hello \sh
[05:35] <\sh> it's bar ,-)
[05:35] <\sh> hey bddebian
[05:36] <\sh> it's a foobar situation
[05:38] <\sh> ok..next try to go home: -22 min
[05:40] <bddebian> \sh: Isn't everything foobar? :-)
[05:41] <pef> using cdbs, which target should I use to delete admin/config.(guess|sub) ?
[05:41] <pef> clean:: and cleanbuildir won't work
[05:41] <bddebian> chillywilly: :-)
[05:44] <pef> :)
[05:44] <\sh> delete ?
[05:44] <\sh> and then copy it back from /usr/share/misc?
[05:45] <pef> \sh: it's autotools temp files no ?
[05:46] <infinito> \sh: excuse me... i know i'm sooo tiring, but can u give any idea about howto get gcfilms synced??
[05:46] <infinito> \sh: i've talked with elmo yesterday and he told me wiki was not the way to do it...
[05:48] <\sh> pef: autotools-dev
[05:48] <pef> infinito: I think the package needs a review before being integrated
[05:48] <\sh> pef: normally it's delivered
[05:48] <pef> \sh: I just want to delete them from my .diff.gz ;) another method than moving debian folder ?
[05:50] <\sh> config.{guess,sub} is in $(CURDIR)...you could backup the old ones, put the new ones during configure, and after installing you can put the old ones back in place
[05:50] <pef> \sh: I have them in curdir and in curdir/admin too
[05:51] <\sh> pef: kde stuff?
[05:51] <pef> \sh: yep
[05:51] <\sh> pef: hmm...u don't do a autogen.sh?
[05:52] <\sh> infinito: hmm....
[05:52] <\sh> infinito: I'll try another way later this evening...
[05:52] <infinito> \sh: thanks a lot
[05:52] <infinito> \sh: feature freeze is tomorrow, so maybe we're on time to make it into breezy....
[05:53] <\sh> infinito:hmmm
[05:53] <\sh> ogra: ping
[05:53] <ogra> \sh, ?
[05:54] <pef> infinito: feature freeze means no new packages into universe, too ?
[05:54] <\sh> ogra: feature freezy will affect universe as well as hard as main?
[05:54] <\sh> lol...freezy
[05:54] <\sh> breezy
[05:54] <infinito> pef: not sure... maybe im wrong
[05:54] <\sh> I'm really tired
[05:56] <koke> siretart: have you seen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319527 ?
[05:57] <koke> do you now if it already builds on breezy ppc?
[05:57] <ogra> i dont think we will handle it as serious
[05:57] <ogra> \sh, ^^
[05:57] <koke> I can try this night at home
[05:57] <ogra> as well as we dont handle UVF as serious...
[05:57] <\sh> ogra: I'm really ashamed what happened yesterday with xterm...i was somewhere else with my brain and didn't think about upstream freeze *grrrr*
[05:57] <SloMoSnail> koke: the qemu version siretart uploaded today builds on amd64, x86 and ppc ;)
[05:58] <ogra> yup... i saw it
[05:58] <\sh> ok...another try to go home...later guys
[05:58] <koke> I must be blind :)
[05:59] <koke> I just looked at packages.u.c
[06:02] <WaterSevenUb> is anyone here using firestarter? I need to confirm a bug... in outbound connection events tab, click with the right button of the mouse. In my case, appears the same options as in an inbound event
[06:02] <WaterSevenUb> at least using a translated firestarter.. not sure if the same happens in pure english. In other words, select "outbound event" - "select with right button of the mouse" , compare the options with those of an "inbound event
[06:06] <koke> WaterSevenUb: you can launch it untranslated running from a terminal
[06:06] <koke> LC_ALL=C firestarter
[06:06] <koke> or whatever the command is called
[06:16] <WaterSevenUb> Ok... it doesn't happen in pure english. I've checked the PO file and the strings are correctly translated. What is happening?
[06:17] <WaterSevenUb> koke: in the translated firestarter there is the problem although the strings in the PO file are correctly translated.
[06:18] <koke> WaterSevenUb: check it at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/firestarter/+pots/firestarter/pt
[06:21] <WaterSevenUb> koke: ? (I am using that POT)
[06:28] <WaterSevenUb> koke: and with that POT, the "outbound events" options behave like "inbound events" even the translation is correct for the strings of the "outbound events" options.
[06:32] <mbreit> hi guys
[06:34] <bddebian> Heya mbreit
[06:35] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[06:37] <sistpoty> hi mbreit
[06:37] <mbreit> hey sistpoty
[06:39] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[06:39] <mbreit> grr.... i hate those segfault on the buildds
[06:40] <mbreit> they prevent me from watching tv :(
[06:41] <bddebian> Heh
[06:52] <pef> SloMoSnail: ping
[06:52] <SloMoSnail> pef: pong
[06:52] <pef> SloMoSnail: kvpnc uploaded http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335 :)
[06:55] <SloMoSnail> pef: where's the diff?
[06:56] <pef> SloMoSnail: wrong link, sorry http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=337
[06:59] <SloMoSnail> pef: maybe call dh_desktop at the end of install
[07:00] <pef> SloMoSnail: right (It's my first cdbs package ;)
[07:03] <SloMoSnail> i wonder why the kde class doesn't call dh_desktop... the gnome one does...
[07:05] <SloMoSnail> are the buildds broken atm? there are so many weird errors...
[07:06] <SloMoSnail> pef: reuploaded with dh_desktop?
[07:06] <pef> SloMoSnail: I have others comments in #kubuntu-devel ;)
[07:06] <SloMoSnail> ok ;)
[07:22] <SloMoSnail> siretart: do you know what happened your liferea upload yesterday? i got the accept mail but it haven't reached the buildds yet...
[07:29] <SloMoSnail> pef: what are the remaining problems the kubuntu people found?
[07:30] <pef> SloMoSnail: things like s|/usr/bin||g in debian/menu, s/vpn/VPN (virtual private network)/ and others things making a package _very_ nice :)
[07:30] <pef> SloMoSnail: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=338
[07:32] <SloMoSnail> ok, looks better ;) any other things remaining?
[07:33] <pef> SloMoSnail: I think no
[07:36] <SloMoSnail> pef: but i have some... in the debian directory are some files which should be cleaned... for example the stamps
[07:37] <tritium> bddebian, hey man
[07:38] <pef> SloMoSnail: where ? I can't see theme here http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc_0.7.2-1ubuntu1.diff
[07:38] <SloMoSnail> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/
[07:39] <SloMoSnail> omg... they're in the upstream tarball...
[07:39] <SloMoSnail> ok, then everything's fine ;)
[07:39] <bddebian> tritium!!  Where you been man?
[07:39] <bddebian> tritium: All moved?
[07:39] <tritium> bddebian, dude, moving
[07:39] <pef> SloMoSnail: and I can't delete them from orig tarball :/
[07:40] <tritium> bddebian, Yeah, we arrived in Albuquerque Sunday night.  It'll be a few more days before I have broadband up.
[07:40] <SloMoSnail> pef: yeah... doesn't matter... ok, now lets see if this builds ;)
[07:40] <pef> I really have to go
[07:40] <bddebian> tritium: Ah, cool
[07:41] <pef> SloMoSnail: don't forget to add any comments to revu
[07:41] <tritium> bddebian, anyway, I'm at a coffee shop getting wireless for a few minutes.  I got an email regarding your attempted upload.  Did you fix it?
[07:41] <mbreit> pef: why do you put the desktop-file in debian/usr/share/applications/kde/kvpnc.desktop?
[07:41] <SloMoSnail> pef: don't worry :) when everything's fine you get a vote from me
[07:41] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: i wanted to ask this :P
[07:41] <bddebian> tritium: For which?
[07:41] <tritium> bddebian, python-pyrtf
[07:42] <bddebian> Hmm, I dunno if I saw that
[07:42] <mbreit> from debian/rules: mv debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applnk/Internet/kvpnc.desktop debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applications/kde/
[07:42] <pef> the file is automaticaly copied to the right location
[07:42] <tritium> bddebian, from katie
[07:42] <mbreit> pef: you should put it in debian/kvpnc.desktop and move it in debian/rules to the right location
[07:43] <tritium> well, I need to get going here.  I'll be in touch as soon as I can.  Give me a few more days to get settled before I'm online more regularly
[07:43] <mbreit> debian/kvpnc should be deleted in the clean-target, so there shouldn't be any important files
[07:43] <bddebian> tritium: I just got whitelisted a couple days ago
[07:43] <tritium> ago :)
[07:43] <bddebian> tritium: Oh, enjoy :-)
[07:43] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: yes... and currently the original desktop file in src is copied over there... and not the one in debian/
[07:43] <SloMoSnail> pef: are they the same?
[07:43] <tritium> bddebian, okay, have a good day.  I'll be in touch soon.  bye
[07:43] <pef> SloMoSnail: no
[07:43] <mbreit> then it should just be deleted in clean...
[07:44] <SloMoSnail> pef: here they are the same ;)
[07:45] <mbreit> pef: otherwise it looks very nice... to bad that i have no voting rights on revu, you would get my vote besides that issue above ;)
[07:45] <pef> very proud to hear this :)
[07:45] <SloMoSnail> pef: i would suggest to just remove the desktop file from the debian directory... you aren't using it anyways ;)
[07:45] <SloMoSnail> pef: just solve this small issue and you get the vote
[07:46] <SloMoSnail> pef: (builds fine here)
[07:49] <pef> SloMoSnail: adding a rm desktop file to clean target ?
[07:49] <SloMoSnail> nope... just remove the debian/usr directory from the diff
[07:49] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: the desktop file should be deleted with the clean target...
[07:50] <pef> mbreit: rm -rfd debian/usr to clean target is ok ?
[07:51] <mbreit> pef: well, _should_ be, but better ask a motu with some experiences (i am not a motu)
[07:51] <SloMoSnail> pef: debian/usr isn't created by the build process... seems like you created it ;) just remove this directory from your diff and everything will be cleaned correctly
[07:51] <mbreit> oh, okay, i see
[07:52] <mbreit> i thought it was debian/kvpnc/... and that is generated during the build
[07:52] <mbreit> pef: believe SloMoSnail, he's right ;)
[07:52] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: yes... but cdbs removes this stuff itself while cleaning ;)
[07:53] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: that's the point which was striking me ;)
[07:54] <SloMoSnail> ok, fine :) now everybody is happy and i'll get something to eat :) brb
[07:57] <SloMoSnail> re
[07:59] <mbreit> wb
[08:01] <bddebian> wb SloMoSnail
[08:03] <SloMoSnail> hey bddebian :)
[08:03] <pef> SloMoSnail: I really have to go, will make the lasts changes tomorow morning :)
[08:04] <SloMoSnail> pef: no problem :) just send me a note when you've uploaded that version
[08:04] <pef> SloMoSnail: of course :)
[08:04] <mbreit> btw: pef, SloMoSnail: just a hint: md5sum ;)
[08:04] <pef> bye !
[08:04] <mbreit> oh, forget it ;)
[08:04] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: you're just blind ;P the orginal tarball was bz2... this one is exactly the same with gz ;)
[08:05] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: yes, that was my problem ;)
[08:05] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: but anyway different packages
[08:06] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: i ran diff over them and they were the same
[08:07] <mbreit> but if i unzip them both, they have different md5sum
[08:07] <mbreit> so the tarballs are not the same
[08:07] <mbreit> maybe just repackaged..
[08:08] <SloMoSnail> maybe... well i haven't tested that... i unpacked them completly and ran diff over the resulting directories
[08:08] <SloMoSnail> imho no problem
[08:19] <sistpoty> <- in method getFood() : undefined reference to fridge...
[08:19] <sistpoty> cya later
[08:39] <SloMoSnail> wahh... missed Mez :/
[08:46] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: There he is :-)
[08:48] <SloMoSnail> ...and there he goes...
[08:48] <bddebian> hehe
[10:33] <danb> Is it too late for sane 1.0.16 to get into breezy?
[10:34] <ajmitch> libsane is in main, the cli tools are in universe
[10:34] <ajmitch> so you'd need to convince mdz/Kamion about libsane
[10:35] <danb> ajmitch: what version of libsane is in breezy now?
[10:36] <danb> 1.0.15 or 1.0.15cvs?
[10:38] <ajmitch> the package version is 1.0.15-9ubuntu5, so I'd need to loko at the changelog to see if patches have been grabbed from cvs for it
[10:38] <danb> ajmitch: so you don't think its too late to get 1.0.16 in then?
[10:39] <ajmitch> maybe not, but you'd have to justify breaking the freeze for it
[10:41] <danb> ajmitch: Could I upgrade just that package in Hoary, or would I have to update all of KDE to breezy just to get a new libsane?
[10:42] <ajmitch> I wouldn't know
[10:42] <danb> In fact I'm running KDE 3.4.2 ontop of kubuntu, if that helps?
[10:42] <ajmitch> you'd have to look at the dependencies
[10:42] <danb> aj: you running breezy?
[10:43] <ajmitch> yes
[10:43] <danb> how (un)stable is it now?
[10:43] <danb> is it useable yet?
[10:45] <ajmitch> quite usable