[12:02] the other one is a broadcom based linksys card... running with ndiswrapper on amd64 .... [12:03] and the built in card of my lappie doesnt work at all (no drivers) [12:03] you can use ndiswrapper on amd64? === ajmitch has a prism2 card, and a madwifi card [12:04] debians kismet defaults to have gps and all files in /usr/local/* right now :-P [12:04] that sounds very broken [12:05] indeed [12:05] 2005.06.r1-1 ? [12:05] yes [12:05] I debdiff against us and got afraid ;-) [12:05] # User to setid to (should be your normal user) [12:05] -suiduser=your_user_here [12:05] +#suiduser=your_user_here [12:06] yay! :-P [12:06] well it's a new upstream, of course there'll be lots of changes :) [12:06] debian is - ;-) [12:06] ajmitch, yes, you can use ndiswrapper on amd64 , since v1.1 and only with broadcom cards with win64bit driver.... but i'm fighting for a change in the package so it builds for amd64 too for breezy ... [12:06] a shame my old AP is dead.. [12:07] at least the airport express downstairs still works :) [12:14] hmm, let's see. === Nafallo plays with man uupdate * === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-219.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax8-005.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] why is backports bad == because of 1h chatting with people that thinks guifications should go in hoary-updates cause 2.10 didn't work properly when you click on the notification. [12:40] *sigh* I hate users :-P. [12:41] (hoary has 2.9-1 btw) === dholbach [i=foobar@td9091af8.pool.terralink.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] hey dholbach [12:41] thanks for the good reviews on prefixsuffix and istanbul :) [12:41] hi ajmitch [12:43] why is it that as soon as I run a program in gdb, it doesn't crash? [12:43] heisenbug [12:43] or often a race condition or similar :) [12:44] this is a random synaptic crash. very frustrating to figure out [12:44] Burgundavia: yay! please fix it :-) [12:44] Nafallo, I don't code [12:44] I am just looking to see if it is same as the existing bugs [12:45] my mouse feels like a magic wand when I'm close to that window. it just vanishes :-). [12:45] yes [12:45] Burgundavia: need a faster computer :) [12:46] faster debugging by have the program crash faster? [12:48] no [12:48] then at debug speeds [12:48] it'l run as fast as normal on your computer now [12:48] so it'l work. :) [12:49] Burgundavia: try to build it as a debug package and try again [12:49] dholbach, synaptic works in gdb, unlike other stuff [12:49] Burgundavia: at the end of wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingTips is a brief description [12:49] I just can't make it crash [12:50] Burgundavia: maybe it crashes with debugging symbols :-p [12:50] rofl [12:53] hm... i just tried to build kaffe (UniverseUnmetDeps) and it seems that in debian all issues have been adressed... (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=318785)... should i put kaffe to the sync from debian-section? [12:57] might as well [12:57] does it break UVF? [12:59] hm... well kaffe is currently broken, and imo a debian sync would fix it [01:00] right [01:02] I'll try to build with latest sid source... if it succeeds, i'll put it to sync from debian, ok? [01:02] ok [01:03] but I'll do that tomorrow ;) (took an eternity to build with sid-sources) [01:03] err with breezy-sources === Burgundavia hugs dholbach [01:05] :-) === petgru is now known as pete [01:08] good night everybody :) [01:08] gn8 SloMoSnail === sistpoty needs some sleep... gn8 folks [01:10] night all [01:14] tseng, muine also crashes after finishing the last song in the queue [01:14] im not sure what you want me to tell you [01:14] nothing [01:14] it doesnt crash that often here [01:15] Burgundavia: what plugins are you using? [01:15] Burgundavia: nothing. [01:16] Lathiat, only the notty area one [01:16] whats that? [01:16] trayicon [01:16] ya [01:16] oh right [01:16] well [01:16] works for me [01:27] exactly [01:28] why I am only bothering you here and not with a bug report [01:28] ok, as long as you dont expect me to take action [01:28] I realize that there is little you can do [01:32] heh [01:32] does mono have a working debugger? [01:33] what did I say yesterday [01:33] and debugging gstreamer apps [01:34] i have no idea i wasnt watching yesterday :) [01:34] its useless [01:34] right [01:34] in my experience [01:34] yay :( [01:34] debug it on windows ;p [01:34] a few times a second [01:34] you get timer events from gst [01:34] if you try and step through it [01:35] you will be there all day [01:35] if you try and step in bigger blocks, you throw SIGPOWER all over the floor [01:35] hrm :\ [01:36] avahi_set_errno (client, AVAHI_ERR_DBUS_ERROR); [01:36] oops [01:53] ajmitch, why are you subscribed to the entire wiki? [01:53] Burgundavia: a lack of sanity [01:53] ok, just wondering [01:54] I should try & restrict the regex to motu related topics === dholbach doesnt mind [01:55] :) [01:55] dholbach: as I said, lack of sanity ;) [01:55] merci beaucoup [01:56] hehe [01:56] well, I have been filled your inboxes with crap recently [01:56] I don't mind === SloMo [n=slomo@p5487FADC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:57] it's a drop in the bucket compared to the other crap I get :) [01:57] ajmitch, are you also crazy enough to suscribe to the entire of the bugzilla? [01:57] oh no [01:57] I'm not that silly [01:59] there can't be that many (I am one of them) [01:59] heh === ajmitch will bbl === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:28] hm a 60k apt/sources.list doesnt seem to work [02:31] 60k? [02:32] yes === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] dholbach: apt-get.org ? [02:44] yes :) [02:44] i have to finish something for feature freeze [02:44] so i'm further automating that crack via python-apt [02:45] ah great :) [02:46] how's that going? [02:46] awfully slow [02:46] makes sense [02:46] I have a script that works on parsing source lists [02:46] probably written the slowest way possible though [02:47] same for me :) [02:47] it's what I used for the rfp list, zope lists etc [02:47] not using python-apt, though :) [02:47] WOW, it now downloads NEW source packages [02:47] ROCKNROLL [02:48] great! :) === ajmitch is trying to get his laptop working again [02:48] after a bad test of initramfs [02:48] ouch [02:48] now i need to figure out, if pbuilder works nicely with it, and i'm happy [02:48] I just had to get grub using initrd again === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:51] ok, off to lunch, back to work, bbl ;) [02:51] see you === tepsipak1i [n=tjaalton@replicant.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rbelem [n=rodrigo@201008042213.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [i=nafallo@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === whiprush [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-motu === comadreja [n=comadrej@68.Red-81-44-212.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fng [n=fng@83-134-125-34.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:10] Ah, this channel is so exciting this time of day :-) === mitsuhiko [n=mitsuhik@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [N=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo [I=nafallo@unaffiliated/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo_ [i=nafallo@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:11] bddebian, you make it exciting :) [03:12] Well I have to be good for SOMETHING :-) [03:13] looks like I have a nice thunderstorm heading my way [03:14] We had ours yesterday [03:15] I hope it is decent so I won't have to go out and water the yard tonight === uniq_ [i=charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:16] Damn I hate job hunting :-( [03:18] hello all [03:18] Heya comadreja [03:18] hey comadreja [03:18] how are you all [03:19] sorry for not being visible last days [03:19] I'm having some terrible job pressure [03:19] Heh, I know that feeling :-) [03:20] We need to finish some software and we have not enough people [03:20] it's like we'd like to have ten hands [03:21] I'd be happy if I worked with people that had 1 brain.. ;-) [03:21] hehehe really ? that bad ? [03:21] so if I have a debdiff file, how do I apply it against an unpacked source tree? === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] comadreja: Yes [03:22] bmonty: patch -p[patch level] < foo.debdiff I think === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [N=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:23] bddebian: yeah, that worked, thanks [03:24] NP [03:25] hi bmonty, bddebian [03:25] hi ajmitch [03:25] bddebian: job hunting? again? [03:26] hey ajmitch :) [03:26] hi comadreja [03:27] Heya ajmitch, yeah, unfortunately [03:27] ajmitch: Well I didn't get fired this time if that is what you mean :-) [03:27] I'm looking for a new job too... [03:28] this one is too stressing [03:28] bddebian: well that's an improvement :) [03:28] :'-( [03:29] what's wrong with your current job? [03:30] It sucks [03:31] that's very descriptive [03:33] Over 2 hours to get to work this morning. Stupid people. Ignorant / non-involved management. Windows ;-) Ad nauseum :-) [03:33] http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5791782530 [03:34] bddebian: ah, I use windows, but it's a <10 minute walk to work for me :) === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:35] Lathiat: :-) [03:35] ajmitch: I think I'll try the FSF admin job.. ;-P [03:35] good luck [03:36] don't let them catch you installing non-free software on there ;) [03:36] Bah, they're in Boston. Screw that. :-) Not to mention about 1/2 of what I make currently :-) [03:36] haha [03:36] you're meant to work for them for the love of The Cause [03:37] Boston rules [03:37] ajmitch: Not hardly d00d :-) [03:37] I don't think they'd appreciate me pummeling RMS ;-P [03:37] bddebian: RMS would be your boss [03:37] bmonty: Well it would be a little bit of a drive and I'm not moving for half my current pay ;-) [03:38] you could try it out, and then get a higher paying IT job....there are plenty of them in that area === bddebian pulls the cotton from bmonty 's ears [03:40] hey I like that cotton! === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:41] Hmm, yeah going from Director of IT at a Nike Division to IT Manager at my current company to "sysadmin" at the FSF looks really good on the CV/Resume ;-P [03:42] bddebian: hey, you can put 'MOTU' on there soon ;) [03:42] No apparently I can't since no one shows up to meetings and Mez says I need "someone to vouch for me" ;-P [03:43] yes, you do need a couple of people to speak up for you [03:43] and this week's TB meeting was unfortunate [03:44] bddebian: :P === bddebian stops doing shit until he finds his "voucher" ;-P === bddebian hides [03:44] if you stop, noone will speak up for you ;) === dholbach has a dj-vu :) [03:45] Sounds like a chicken and egg problem to me.. :-) [03:45] dholbach: ? [03:45] looks as we had that conversation already earlier today :) [03:46] Oh, sorry [03:46] don't worry [03:46] ajmitch didn't get to hear my whining ;-) === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:46] ah ok :) [03:46] bddebian: I think I can live without hearing it === bmonty starts tuning his violin [03:47] dholbach: See, I get no love.. ;-P === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200.165.55.69] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:47] bddebian: me neither - python hates me [03:48] dholbach: python is lovely [03:48] dholbach: when do you need this script working? [03:49] feature freeze is ... erm tomorrow? [03:49] and i need to have it working/building/... :) [03:49] ok, I can help out if you want :) [03:49] right now i'm trying to do something simple [03:49] I understand mdz wanted a list of packages to import by freeze time? [03:49] or at least packages to review [03:50] yes and that (for me) depends on building a huge load of packages, which could be reviewed [03:50] and a list of stuff that doesnt build, but might be working after a bit of fiddling [03:50] (and sorted out all the crack that we have) [03:50] you don't want to do that manually [03:51] certainly true [03:51] right now, i want something like pbuilder build bla*.dsc (bla is in a string i have) [03:51] and i'm crying over Popen [03:51] I've got a little bit of spare cpu power here for building & I can run scripts ;) [03:51] i'm sure that's crackful [03:51] hmm, I used popen, I'm sure.. [03:52] ok [03:52] problem is bla*.dsc has to process by another command [03:52] if os.system("/usr/bin/dpkg --compare-versions %s %s %s" % [03:52] (versions[0] , [03:52] operator, [03:52] versions[1] )): [03:52] nope, I used that [03:52] the shell needs to expand * ? [03:52] yes [03:52] i got an error [03:52] "bla*.dsc is no suitable" candidate or something [03:53] can your python program not write this into a script & then exec /bin/bash ? [03:53] evil, I know [03:53] hm [03:53] yes [03:53] it could [03:53] *clickediclack* [03:53] but this doesn't have to be nice, it just has to work [03:54] what is the purpose of the script? [03:54] bmonty: take a *large* list of apt sources, get the src packages contained there, and build them, afaik === bddebian still says "throw them to the buildds" :-) [03:55] bddebian: that's crazy - these packages are often full of crap, to put it mildly [03:56] ajmitch: The UniverseUnmetDeps packages? [03:56] apt-get.org [03:56] if the packages are full of crap, why build them? [03:56] ajmitch: you rock [03:56] unmet deps are different [03:56] os.system did it [03:56] Oohh, sorry [03:56] dholbach: excellent [03:56] i used subprocess.call() before [03:56] rock AND roll [03:57] Don't we have enough work to do without apt-get.org? :-) [03:57] bddebian: yes, we do [03:57] dholbach : glob ? [03:57] and I feel bad about not doing my share [03:57] As well you should :-) [03:57] comadreja: glob? [03:58] dholbach : glob.glob ("*.dsc") [03:58] bddebian, the buildds eat children if you make them unhappy :D [03:58] ajmitch: don't worry [03:58] will return a list of *.dsc files [03:58] seth_k: heh [03:58] seth_k: Well as long as they aren't MY children :-) [03:58] comadreja: oh cool... next time :) [03:58] ok it works [03:58] runs [03:58] makes sleep badly [03:58] but it runs [03:59] hehe [03:59] dholbach: so it's building all of apt-get.org now? [03:59] it tries to [03:59] all the stuff we don't have [03:59] ok [04:00] if there's any other scripting needed, I can probably supply :) [04:00] I've still got to get the source for unmet deps [04:00] is packages.ubuntu.com, the latest and greatest on packages that are available? [04:00] i'll see what the output is tomorrow [04:00] ok... have a good night [04:00] i'm off [04:00] nite dholbach [04:01] it's !!!! 4 !!!! already [04:01] Later dholbach [04:01] dholbach: good work, night [04:01] night bmonty, ajmitch, comadreja, Lathiat, bddebian - you guys rock! [04:01] bddebian: are there any packages that just need a rebuild that I can upload? [04:01] ajmitch: doodle is ready to go, there is a link to the debdiff on unmet deps page [04:01] ajmitch: There were, but I think Nafallo may have hit them today [04:02] ok [04:02] I see you have vipec listed as needs love, there's a patch in debian's BTS that I'll apply [04:03] BTW, whats the deal with gcc 4.0 not building packages? [04:03] bmonty: A lot of it are just more strict C rules [04:03] gcc 4.0 is a lot stricter [04:03] bmonty: doodle is just a rebuild? [04:03] k, makes sense [04:03] ajmitch: I had to change the control file [04:03] then you have to change the version to reflect that [04:04] you can't just have a build1 version if you change anything else [04:04] so should it be 0.6.2-ubuntu1? [04:04] next debian upload that MoM synced would overwrite that [04:04] 0.6.2-3ubuntu1 [04:04] k, I'll fix that [04:05] * change libdoodle dependency to libextractor1c2 [04:05] makes no sense [04:06] Goddamn, everyone wants programmers.. :'-( [04:06] it was libextractor1c which is now libextractor1c2 [04:06] then say that :) [04:06] I can see that when I look at the control file, but not at the changelog [04:07] ok [04:07] and mention the build-dep change as well [04:07] and add the fam dep back in [04:08] when you asked the other day, you said that libfam0 depends on it [04:08] it only recommends [04:08] bddebian: see, I'm this picky with other people, not just you ;) [04:08] ok, got it === bddebian feels better :) [04:15] ajmitch: where did you see a build-dep change? [04:17] sorry, not build-dep, but depends for doodled [04:17] ok, I got that [04:17] hum. [04:17] hey crimsun [04:17] hey ajmitch, bmonty, bddebian [04:18] hey crimsun [04:18] strange, i386 failed pyxmms [04:18] why is that strange? [04:18] hi [04:19] ajmitch: python2.3 is uninstallable on i386? [04:19] crimsun: it shouldn't be, let me check [04:19] zope still depends on it [04:19] ajmitch: new debdiff is at http://www.montynet.org/ubuntu/debdiff/doodle_0.6.2-3ubuntu1.debdiff [04:20] the other three arches built it just fine, so it should have built on i386 [04:20] looks like a chroot issue [04:20] Heya crimsun [04:21] crimsun: definitely, apt-get update must have failed [04:21] chillywilly!!!!!!!! [04:21] see the 'could not stat..' lines [04:21] yep [04:21] bddebian!!! [04:21] bmonty: much better :) [04:22] thanks :) [04:23] getting build-deps, this could take awhile [04:24] ajmitch: did you get your net connection upgrade yet? [04:24] chillywilly: of course not [04:24] I live in NZ [04:24] bah... [04:24] well that sucks [04:25] so, I'm looking at the package drip and it build-depends on libavifile-0.7 which apt says is uninstallable, but ubuntu.packages.com has it....what gives? [04:25] maybe you should switch the IP over carrier pigeon ;) [04:26] bmonty: "apt-cache policy libavifile" [04:26] chillywilly: it'd probably be faster [04:26] HEH [04:26] get them to carry DVDs [04:26] jumbo packets [04:26] hehe [04:28] bddebian: ok, but I can download the package from packages.ubuntu.com, thats why I'm confused [04:28] anyone know if the linux kernel went with the 4 digit version number thingy? [04:28] yes [04:28] cause kernel.org show 2.6.12.4 being the latest stable version, so I was thinking they did [04:28] ok [04:29] ubuntu uses the fourth number to denote the kernel abi [04:29] (in the revision) [04:30] bmonty: What repo does it say it's in? [04:31] http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/libs/libavifile-0.7 [04:32] Hmm [04:32] Version table: [04:32] 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4 0 [04:32] 1200 http://10.18.1.1 breezy/universe Packages [04:32] that is annoying - I had libavifile0.7 installed (no - ) [04:33] The following information may help to resolve the situation: [04:33] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [04:33] libavifile-0.7-dev: Depends: libavifile-0.7 (= 1:0.7.43.20050224-1ubuntu4) but it is not going to be installed === BIGBRUNO [n=biglinux@200.196.122.39] has joined #UBUNTU-MOTU [04:34] Hmm, I already have it installed it seems :-( [04:34] wasn't libavifile-0.7 transitioned? [04:35] There is a c2 but it's an older rev [04:35] .38 vs .43 [04:35] crimsun: from c102, iirc [04:36] bugzilla says it was renamed to libavifile-0.7 === DoNnInHa [n=feia@200.99.43.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] oi BIGBRUNO :) [04:38] DoNnInHa: Hi [04:38] BIGBRUNO; :P [04:39] todo mundo aqui fala ingles11255 [04:39] todo mundo aqui fala ingles? === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-71-222.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:43] dvr source package has the same issue [04:43] Someone please kill me === Lathiat kills bddebian === rbelem [n=rodrigo@201.19.210.171] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:44] Thanks Lathiat :-) === DoNnInHa [n=knoppix@200.99.43.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:47] bmonty: doodle uploaded [04:47] ajmitch: just same it on the RSS feed, thanks [04:47] r/same/saw [04:52] bddebian: marks the debian bug for vipec, will fix soon :) [04:52] s/marks/marked/ === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-0.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] ajmitch: ? === DoNnInHa [n=knoppix@200.99.43.3] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] noh [04:56] esse treim eh mto ruim [04:56] DoNnInHa: english in here, please [04:56] bddebian: on the wiki, I put a link to the debian bts entry for vipec.. [04:57] ajmitch: Ah, cool [04:57] quero ir pra brasnet :P nao sei falar ingles [04:57] bye [04:58] Ohh, VP of IT and CIO for $200,000+. That'd do ;-) [04:58] go for it [04:58] Hell I'd buy ya a new laptop for that one ajmitch ;-P [04:59] fui === DoNnInHa [n=knoppix@200.99.43.3] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:00] bddebian: that'd be nice ;) [05:00] sigh, a 1-line patch, which patch system should I use today? [05:01] debdiff ;) [05:01] chillywilly: useful comments, thanks :P [05:01] write something in perl to patch it.. ;-P [05:01] oh crikey... [05:01] I mean like quilt, dpatch, etc [05:02] write a python script [05:02] ajmitch: Be creative ;-P [05:02] that calls one of those and downloads pr0n [05:03] Hehe [05:03] Is anybody familiar with the UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile wiki page? [05:03] it's probably the page where there are univer packages without desktop files [05:03] universe too [05:04] :) [05:04] Yep, that'd be it :-) [05:04] LaserJock: yes, it's out of date, needs to be refreshed for breezy [05:04] well, yeah I know that :-) [05:04] I have some questions about it [05:05] I was wanting to help get some of those .desktop files made [05:05] but some of the packages listed don't seem to need .desktop files [05:05] LaserJock: great [05:05] that's why the list needs updated :) [05:06] I think it was made from packages that have a .menu file but no .desktop [05:06] do they all really need .desktop files though [05:06] ? [05:06] for instance, does vim-python need to be in the menu? [05:07] Damn, $90,000/yr for a Sr. Linux Admin.. Sheesh [05:07] maybe not, but I'm not one to make that call :) [05:07] while that clutter users' menus? [05:08] *will [05:08] yes [05:08] bddebian: looking for a new job? [05:08] chillywilly: Aye [05:08] we have to find some balance between making programs visible & not cluttering up the menus with hundreds of entries [05:09] well, is there other uses for the .desktop files beside menus? [05:09] I saw on the freedesktop.org site that it looked like their use for mimetypes is depriciated [05:11] not sure, there was talk of using them for a new gnome-app-install === Amaranth [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:11] I think the usage is just menu [05:13] well, it looks like we could use the NoDisplay key to keep non-gui type apps out of the menu, but still have the flexability to use it in the future [05:14] Amaranth is the menu man here [05:14] hihi [05:14] what's up? [05:14] NoDisplay is what smeg uses [05:14] UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile [05:14] so it'll work [05:14] if you use Hidden smeg won't see it and it's mime type info will be ignored [05:15] but is it worth the effort for a lot of the CLI type stuff? [05:16] Amaranth: aside from smeg, we're talking about making .desktop files for those packages that don't have them [05:16] ajmitch: i know, i was just telling him NoDisplay is the solution for hiding things [05:16] right [05:18] so should the focus be on Breezy and not Hoary? [05:18] Yes [05:18] I wonder if I can lie well enough for the Sr. Linux Admin job (RedHat and SuSe, yuck) [05:18] certainly [05:18] .desktop files are a nice low hanging fruit [05:19] So is UniverseUnmetDeps === bddebian pokes [05:19] Amaranth: we need someone to collate .desktop files that people contribute [05:19] sincenot everyone can fix up & patch a package to include them [05:19] well, that was what I was wondering [05:19] i don't know how either :P [05:20] i can tell you a .desktop file is valid, but so can desktop-file-validate [05:20] right, I'll volunteer for now & hand it off to someone else who's worthy :) [05:20] it's mainly including it in the packaging, which I can do well enough [05:20] one of these days i'm going to start spamming bugs for invalid .desktop files [05:20] ajmitch: I could help out with that also [05:21] bmonty: great, thanks [05:21] i've never added a file to a package, just edited existing files [05:21] we just need people to start submitting them [05:21] maybe Amaranth can spam the forums for contributions ;) [05:21] and there is the intltool scripts that need to be done that i don't know about [05:21] well, I'm not much of a packager, but the .desktop files are easy enough to make === uniq_ [i=charlie@3ffe:80ee:31fe:0:0:0:0:33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:23] ajmitch: I'm working on a package called amsynth, it is copying in config.guess and config.sub from /usr/share/misc/config and causing the debdiff to be rather large with all the changes, is that cool for a package that only needs a rebuild? [05:24] what if we made a thread in the UbuntuForums Breezy Badger form where people could just post the .desktop files? [05:24] bmonty: No, ignore that crap :-) [05:24] LaserJock: good idea [05:25] I think first off, the list of packages needing .desktop files needs to be updated === ajmitch doesn't like the diff getting messy [05:25] ajmitch: basically anything i could do for you is covered by a shell script [05:25] sure [05:25] Amaranth: ok :) [05:25] unless you need help figuring out what category to put something in [05:26] bddebian: so...just cut it out of the debdiff? [05:26] bmonty: I would but I'm probably the wrong person to ask :-) [05:26] bmonty: yeah, it's the easiest way for now [05:26] too easy :) [05:34] so, would it be OK if I found the packages that needed .desktop files in Breezy and updated the wiki? [05:35] gah, what is mcs 1.0.5 source still doing in breezy? [05:35] ajmitch: I added a debdiff for amsynth, just needs a rebuild [05:35] and with that....good night everyone [05:35] Good night bmonty, good work [05:36] bmonty: thanks, night === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E38B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] Howdy ogra === ajmitch removes mcs from unmet deps [05:41] that should never be on there, and mono-assemblies-arch should be gone from the archive [05:42] So fix it d00d [05:43] umm, what do you think I'm doing? [05:46] Yapping ;-P [05:48] haha [06:07] ajmitch: is there something I should do for this .desktop thing or should I let you (MOTU) take care of it? [06:08] write .desktop files? :) [06:08] we'll sort out what packages need them asap [06:08] who should I give them to? [06:09] should I just start posting them in the Ubuntu Forums? [06:09] or would the wiki be more appropriate? [06:10] wiki is where we will see them quicker [06:10] oh, ok [06:18] ok, another question, are the packages on the UniverseUnmetDeps wikipage for Breezy? [06:18] Yes [06:18] only Breezy? [06:18] Yes [06:18] cool, thanks [06:18] NP [06:19] speaking of .desktop files, someone want to figure out why this .desktop file refuses to show in the KDE menu? [06:19] Time for me to head for bed. Gnight folks, thanks LaserJock and good work as always ajmitch ;-) [06:19] night bddebian [06:19] Gnight seth_k :-) [06:19] goodnight [06:22] http://sethkinast.com/ubuntu/breezy/kmobiletools/ << I patched this to install its .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/kde, but it just will not show up in the K menu and I don't know why. [06:22] after I can figure out this issue it gets to go on revu === burner [n=Danniell@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === burner [n=Danniell@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] seth_k: have you tried taking out the X-KDE and X_DCOP lines? [06:34] LaserJock, not sure, I've tried so many things... I'll try that now :) [06:34] I think I just cheated off of kandy's .desktop file or something [06:35] okay, changed and building [06:35] cross fingers! [06:38] X-* things are extensions to the spec and shouldn't make a difference [06:38] seeing how kde and gnome both ignore keys they don't understand [06:38] seth_k: looking at http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s04.html it says that you could use just StartupNotify=true and I would think you would want OnlyShowIn=KDE [06:39] wrong [06:39] if these could possibly have any use at all in GNOME or XFCE do not use OnlyShowIn=KDE [06:40] kmobiletools.desktop doesn't have a Categories key [06:40] so kmenu doesn't know where to put it === Ocelot11185 [i=TerraHac@ACD0E651.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:40] yeah it does... at the bottom? [06:40] in your diff? [06:41] ah, ok [06:42] removed the two X- lines, still not showing up [06:42] I've verified that the file does exist at /usr/share/applications/kde/ [06:42] you ran desktop-file-validate on the final .desktop file? [06:42] yes [06:42] no output [06:43] dunno what to tell you, it should be showing up in the 'Utilities' menu [06:44] I know :( === netjoined: irc.freenode.net -> kornbluth.freenode.net === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E38B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:44] could it be an external bug? [06:44] or is there some sort of update menus call I need to make in debian/rules ? [06:44] nope [06:45] but [06:45] your gnome-panel might suck [06:45] I'm using KDE :P [06:45] it shows up here? [06:45] ?? [06:45] it shows up in your menu? [06:45] it shows up in gnome-menus and kmenu [06:45] O__O [06:45] well, my simplified version of it (stripped translations) [06:45] let me try to install the package [06:46] thanks, Amaranth [06:46] it is showing up here [06:46] with the package [06:47] in kmenu and gnome-menus [06:47] wow [06:47] so all this time [06:47] it's just been my kde that sucks [06:47] hmmmmm [06:47] it's in utilities [06:47] that's another problem for another day I guess [06:47] Amaranth: would it be possible to have smeg put OnlyShowIn=KDE in the .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/kde/ as sort of a "on/off" flag? [06:48] LaserJock: it puts NoDisplay=true [06:48] aww, ok [06:48] and/or uses an , i can't remember what pyxdg does now [06:48] i follow the spec, not some hack :p [06:49] does it do that for all of the kde files or do you have to manually pick each one? [06:49] I wonder why it wouldn't be showing up for me... [06:49] Amaranth, are you running Breezy? [06:49] it does that for every file [06:50] LaserJock: i don't touch files in /usr/share/applications/kde directly and i don't make a user copy with NoDisplay=true unless the user chooses to hide it [06:50] LaserJock: i don't make smeg systematically hunt for all KDE apps and hide them, that's stupid [06:50] yeah, that makes sense [06:50] seeing how KDE users use smeg [06:51] I just thought it would be cool to have a KDE "on/off" switch [06:51] same would apply to Gnome apps [06:51] bleh [06:51] users don't care [06:51] real users, not biased developer-users [06:52] kde app, gnome app, whatever, as long as it works [06:53] Amaranth, are you running Breezy or Hoary? [06:53] sure, that makes sense8-) [06:53] seth_k: breezy [06:53] thanks [06:53] still odd, but oh well :) === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:54] heah Amaranth, I was wondering how did your hard drive overheated? [06:55] fsck [06:55] two HD sitting on top of each other and an auto-fsck [06:55] really? [06:55] stupid auto-fsck-after-30-mounts [06:56] heh [06:56] i hate that [06:56] what filesystem? [06:56] whatd rock [06:56] is online fscking [06:56] ext3 [06:56] like ufs on freebsd has [06:56] -> win [06:56] the partition table was gone [06:56] every tool i could find that would read it said it was a new drive [06:58] hmmm, I've heard of using dd to copy the contents of a disk when other tools can't read it, but I've never tried it [06:59] i had two choices: sit without a computer and no way of repairing it for a month or repartition [06:59] and when that month was up i'd be somewhere where i won't have internet access [06:59] not often, anyway [06:59] college sucks [07:00] no internet access at college? [07:00] hrm, our colleges tend to have rathert good internet access [07:00] they don't have dorms, i'm living with an uncle until i get a place [07:00] it's a community college thing [07:00] where? [07:01] sioux city [07:01] cool, I'm in Reno, NV [07:01] (google, only one of those in the US) [07:02] iowa [07:03] never been to iowa, I've stayed to the Rockies or west :-) [07:04] *shrug* [07:04] anyway, game time, bbl [07:04] yeah, time to go to bed for me [07:04] good night all and thanks for the info ajmitch === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-137-0.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-70-110-68-214.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === poningru_ [n=poningru@pool-70-110-66-120.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [n=ghe@193.146.157.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja [n=Natja@218.158-201-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === highvoltage [n=Jono@wblv-146-211-106.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@d014246.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fng [n=fng@83-134-127-17.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cat [N=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:53] hey people === mitsuhiko [n=mitsuhik@80.122.201.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === GheRivero [n=ghe@193.146.157.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === karlheg [n=karlheg@host-250-237.resnet.pdx.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja_ [n=Natja@116-210.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:19] hi folks [10:20] <\sh> hey siretart [10:21] huhu \sh, nice to soo read you :) [10:22] s/soo/ *g* === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === torkel_ [i=torkel@shaka.acc.umu.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E38B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:29] <\sh> siretart: ah...I'm not trying to become mad ,-) right now I have too much workload here (!= ubuntu stuff) [10:30] oh, I feel with you. I had this the last 2 weeks :/ [10:32] <\sh> siretart: and my result was: uploading a new version to main without a permission *peinlich* [10:33] \sh: well, daniels gave you permission, dind't he? [10:35] <\sh> siretart: but not kamion or matt... === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E38B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] <\sh> hey ogra [10:36] ogra, aside from ndis guid, what was the other tool your student was working on? === jstr [i=jstr@dsl-58-6-0-236.wa.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:53] hey guys [10:53] I want to join up and write code for you [10:55] jstr: cool! [10:56] jstr: any special in mind? [10:56] well thats it... i dont know [10:56] i really like using c [10:57] im an undergraduate comp sci student with no actual programming experience in the work place, however i have completed heeps of units in the field [10:59] well, we seldom do actual coding. more often, we package programs, and have to fix compilation errors from software, which doesn't built with newer compilers like gcc-4.0 [10:59] i have done units in C (in a UNIX environment), C++, to many java units :(, UML, project management [10:59] well, i know how to make MAKE files at least :) [10:59] :) [11:00] jstr: well, have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo [11:00] jstr: we really need every helping hand, there are tons of stuff to do [11:01] well im prepared to put in at least an 8 hour day a week for the rest of the year [11:01] we don't do so much programming as packaging [11:01] that's good [11:02] its just so when i graduate i have some nice things to write on my resume [11:02] not because you want to help the community? ;) [11:03] that aswell. [11:04] we do a lot of fixing packages that are broken, creating new packages, etc [11:05] i have never done anything like that before so it will be something new for me to learn === janimo [n=jani@iv.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=user@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@p5487FADC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=nobody@DSL01.83.171.160.176.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] hi all [11:29] hi sistpoty [11:29] hi sistpoty === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hawk_78 [n=hawk@host55-222.pool8175.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487FADC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hawk_78 [n=hawk@host55-222.pool8175.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["So] [11:51] <\sh> mmm [11:51] <\sh> hmmm [11:51] <\sh> I should create a new ejabberd package [11:51] <\sh> some good new features [11:52] \sh did the voip goal for breezy get deffered? [11:52] Isee you were on the team initially [11:52] you'll have to pass the motu review gauntlet first ;) [11:52] janimo: I think so [11:52] there are a few deferred goals, sadly [11:52] that shtoom one was very appealing though.. [11:53] I guess upstream didn;t move fast enough [11:53] shtoom has a 2 second audio delay for me :\ === Danten [n=danten@h19n1c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [11:54] <\sh> janimo: yes...looks like...cause there r some issues twisted... [11:54] <\sh> janimo: I tried twisted 2.x and shtoom but didn't work [11:54] \sh: it worked for me last check [11:54] always has really [11:54] for me anyway [11:55] <\sh> Lathiat: I have to check it again [11:56] <\sh> and I need to renew the SIP Express Router packages.... [11:56] <\sh> remove the provided debian/ dir and create a new one [11:56] I think the voip goal also dependen on some central ubuntu.com ids for users which is not in place right? [11:57] <\sh> janimo: first of all, there must be a running environment of software [11:57] <\sh> janimo: then we can implement some things like single sign on [11:58] \sh I know, I meant it's not only the technical issues that deffered the goal [11:58] <\sh> janimo: time, workload, ressources === cat [N=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:03] fun, new tomboy release out for tseng [12:04] <\sh> janimo: yes [12:05] cu later [12:08] woah, revu backlog finally decreasing :) [12:08] yay [12:09] siretart: hrm, if i try to access the pingus .changes it gives a no permisison === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:11] Lathiat: the changes file are not meant to be downloaded [12:12] heh ok [12:12] Lathiat: I should perhaps delete them, but then I cannot reimport them in case of failure [12:12] Lathiat: the problem is: uploads made by motus could be uploaded by anyone to ubuntu, since our keys are also in the ubuntu keyring [12:12] Lathiat: I don't want this [12:13] ah right [12:13] i see [12:13] Lathiat: e.g. I just uploaded qemu to revu to get it tested for real x86. I'm not sure if that package is ok, so I don't want to have it in universe right now === Lathiat nods === hmrocha [n=hrocha@87-196-75-179.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:26] argh, vegastrike dies === ajmitch think it need a sync from debian [12:33] siretart: is the new ppc patch included with that qemu upload? (sorry, don't have much time atm... learning maths) === petgru [n=omega@ua-83-227-176-123.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] SloMoSnail: I took the latest debian version which could be built in debian [12:42] for ppc, that is [12:45] siretart: wonderfull :) i'll test it on x86 and ppc in a few minutes [12:49] sigh, vegastrike FTBFS === chz [n=holler@cpe-66-69-101-208.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] bah games... [12:57] ogra: they can be fun :) [12:57] also a waste of time [12:57] heh... yes...and the eat development tme :) [12:57] time [12:57] yes, I shouldn't do anything that would eat into MOTU time ;) === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:00] siretart: builds fine on x86 === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] siretart using gcc-4? [01:04] cause that does not work with qemu AFAIK [01:05] janimo: nope... it is build with 3.4 [01:06] I am looking now [01:12] built fine here on x86 [01:12] and installedd too [01:12] janimo: same for me... and on ppc it is built fine in a few seconds it seems ;) [01:12] on x86 it took about 5mins === chz [n=holler@cpe-66-69-101-208.satx.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === musicistaCont [n=musicist@host126-136.pool80104.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:21] i have a problem with kdevelop 3.2.0 code completion don't work only whit libstdc++ i make new PSC database but nothig what i have to do? [01:21] SloMoSnail: great, then I'll upload that qemu upload in a minute [01:24] easy way to clone a page in the wiki? [01:24] do a large page similar to an existing one so a new title basically [01:25] janimo: make a redirect... put just this in the new page: #REDIRECT OldPage === jamessan|work [n=jamessan@c-24-218-220-129.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] SloMoSail thanks [01:35] slomosnail, I want to clone the page but then heab=vily modify it, I want a template, not just an alias [01:35] is your suggestion still valid? === sistpoty [n=nobody@DSL01.83.171.160.176.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] no... my suggestion was a plain redirect... no idea how you can achieve what you want... === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:37] hmm there are templates but not for maininclusionreports as I want to write [01:38] wikis are primitive :) [01:38] just take one of the other maininclusionreports and copy the stuff ;) that's how i made mine... [01:38] what package do you want in main? [01:38] night all [01:39] gn8 ajmitch [01:39] gn8 ajmitch === hmrocha [n=hrocha@87-196-75-179.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] slomo, xfce4 & co [01:39] about 20-30 packages [01:39] I see edubuntu inclusion is nicely colored, I want that too :) === DanielN [n=daniel@162.23.4.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:41] someone around? [01:42] hi DanielN [01:42] hi to all first :) === kezz [n=kezz@user-561.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbreit [n=mo@p54876847.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:11] hi all [02:11] what was the replacemtn for xlibmesa-gl ? [02:15] libgl1-xorg [02:15] apt-cache search xlibmesa-gl :) === pef [n=loic@lns-vlq-39f-81-56-130-224.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] hello [02:21] hi pef [02:24] is this new gnome clipboard daemon already in breezy? and what is it called? [02:27] SloMoSnail: do you mean gcm? [02:27] http://gcm.sourceforge.net/ ? [02:27] isnt it integrated into gnome-session-manager or somethign [02:28] no idea... i heard gnome 2.12 would have some kind of clipboard manager ;) === JRe [n=Bond@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:45] it does [02:46] gnome-clipboard-daemon isn't needed, it's been rolled into gnome-settings-daemon [02:46] right [02:46] as i thought [02:46] Amaranth: settings or session? [02:46] settings [02:47] hmm... session seems to be more natural to me ;) [02:47] i remember this because when the bugs were getting worked out it was dying all the time [02:47] and you lose your theme and everything when it dies [02:49] heh [02:49] yeh [02:49] SloMoSnail: yeh cept its not a session daemon :) [02:52] Lathiat: sneaking in my first rails app at work [02:52] Lathiat: :D [02:52] tseng: haha [02:52] tseng: cool [02:52] i havent had much chance to play with it lately [02:52] busy on avahi and stuff [02:53] now my address is whitelisted i can go about getting these packages uploaded i've been fixing [02:53] tseng: can you upload the new cowbell from debian? ;) [02:53] no, but i can sync it [02:53] SloMoSnail: mail elmo, request cowbell sync from debian [02:54] james.troup @ C.com [02:54] isn't it just james? [02:54] james.troup WFM [02:55] ok, you're right [02:57] done [02:58] btw: what happened to the i386 buildd? did it build EVER package? or just the ones that failed the last time? [03:03] and i am going to update the unmet deps list.... since i think that all the rebuilds on the buildd could have changed a lot [03:05] A good number of those unmet will need to be given back yet again due to i386 buildd screwage, it seems. [03:05] it seems that the buildd is still rebuilding everything... === du2br [n=dudu@unaffiliated/du2br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] ogra do you know how can I steal EdubuntuMaininclusion page with minimal effort and use it a a template? [03:25] for xfce inclusion page [03:25] janimo, sure... [03:25] anything more intuitive than copy-paste the sources [03:25] janimo, but there also is a template page somewhere [03:25] could not find one with so many nice colors ;) [03:26] and a process description what is required and how to do it [03:26] I know the process but I wonder how do I say in the wiki: 'fork this page' [03:27] IOW edit the text inside the tables and leave the appearance [03:27] but a new copy not inplace over yours :) [03:27] click on a nonexistent report, change the url to your name and click on "create page" [03:28] yes but the new page will be blank w/o tables and other niceties [03:28] oh well [03:29] I guess I'll copy paste the source === GazerWork [n=gazer@mail.aktiv-assekuranz.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] hmm [03:39] why doesn't muine just use inotify through gamin through gnome_vfs_monitor_add? [03:41] cus gamin sucks? :) === HiddenWolf [n=hidden@136.196.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja [n=Natja@116-210.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:45] .. [03:45] gamin doesn't suck, seb just didn't have the dependencies for gnome-menus setup right :p [03:45] ooh, that reminds me [03:45] gnome-menus 2.11.91 actually cleanly builds and runs on hoary, it's going into backports [03:46] heh [03:46] Amaranth: better question: why doesn't muine use gst, taglib or this c# tag-thingie to read the tags? and why has it the formats it can play hardcoded... now it can't play musepack although gst supports it... [03:46] no (dunno why) but since the breezy package depends on libgamin-dev it actually fixes the autoupdating [03:46] SloMoSnail: it came before all of that :P === fng [n=fng@83-134-127-17.Leuven.GoPlus.FastDSL.tiscali.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089E38B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] I've modified a home made deb package to be compliant with ubuntu, how should I submit it ? revu doesn't seems to be a good solution (no .diff) [04:04] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335 [04:06] pef: how have you created this package? dpkg-buildpackage -S -sa? then put the original source tarball in the parent directory (of the source directory) and name it kvpnc_0.7.2.orig.tar.gz [04:06] then you'll get a diff [04:07] SloMoSnail: no, package made by the author [04:07] so the debian stuff was already in the upstream tarball? [04:07] yes [04:07] exactly [04:07] ick [04:07] wonderfull ;) [04:08] :) [04:08] but then just do it as i said... should work ;) === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-237-24.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:09] linda output is awesome [04:09] This package appears to conform to a newer Standards-Version that has been released. One of us is incorrect. [04:10] haha [04:10] hrmpf [04:10] Amaranth: I've set Standards-Version to 3.6.2 in debian/control [04:10] isn't it possible to debootstrap breezy from hoary? [04:11] linda is kind of a bitch, someone must not have liked their wife/girlfriend/mother [04:11] pef: when you've uploaded the version with the diff against the upstream tarball i'll look at it... from the changelog your changes sound sane ;) [04:11] nice :) [04:13] hmm... Recommends: vpnc | freeswan [04:14] better Depend on it... at least it seems to be needed at runtime, right? [04:14] oh no, not another one of those [04:14] apt-file's package is like that too [04:14] supposedly it's a feature, not a bug [04:15] SloMoSnail: freeswan is only usefull if you work on a freeswan vpn, otherwise useless depend [04:15] Amaranth: hm what's it with apt-file? does it recommend curl although it needs it? ;) [04:15] yeah [04:15] curl or something else [04:17] pef: but i assume it doesn't work without one of these two... [04:18] SloMoSnail: if freeswan isn't installed, only the protocol freeswan won't be available, but others yes [04:18] pef: and for copyright... it's GPL2 so change the path at the end to /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-2 [04:19] pef: but does anything work with it when neither freeswan and vpnc are installed? [04:20] SloMoSnail: You can use openvpn :) I have to check this field more carefully [04:21] pef: but then you must have openvpn installed ;) that's exactly the problem... [04:22] pef: and maybe use dh_install instead of install for the desktop file... but that shouldn't matter much :) [04:22] pef: other than that i'm ok with this package [04:22] SloMoSnail: I think putting Depends: openvpn | freeswan | foo, so the package can be used and all "protocol" packages as Suggest ? [04:23] what are protocol packages? [04:25] SloMoSnail: openvpn, vpnc, pptpclient, freeswan (to use the protocol in the program) [04:27] ah ok... so a depend on one of those and a suggest for all of them? hmm, could be ok but better ask someone else for that [04:28] but just notice me when you've uploaded a new version... i'll look through it then and maybe you get a vote ;) [04:28] SloMoSnail: I had the same problem with datakiosk (databases utility), does I must include all qt db drivers ? (sqlite, mysql, pgsql, ...) [04:29] SloMoSnail: just have this problem to solve and it will be uploaded [04:30] for me it sound correct to depend on one of the possibilities (a | b | c | ...) and Suggest all of them (a,b,c,...) === gary_ [n=gary@gw.cpth.ie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] Hi there - is it okay for me to bring up an issue with a universe package here? [04:39] a missing dependency rather than a bug in the package, as such === HiddenWolf [n=hidden@136.196.dynamic.phpg.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:42] gary_: what's the problem ? [04:42] well I upgraded to breezy yesterday, and uim-common depends on (non-existent package) im-switch [04:43] im-switch is in debian unstable and experimental [04:44] I'd be happy to port the package, but I haven't reviewed the universe guidelines, and have only worked on packaging for one or two things before [04:44] and it might be too late for breezy now? === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-069.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:50] how can I manage long debian/control fields ? (Suggests: longer than 80 characters) [04:51] pef: \n\t? [04:51] pef: debian-installer has a Build-Depends 1021 characters long [04:52] siretart: ping [04:52] Nafallo: pong [04:53] pef: just make it as long as it needs to be... only for description there's a limit of 80 chars [04:53] thanks :) [04:53] siretart: what to do with im-switch? bring in a new package tweaked for xorg? :-) [04:53] gary_: I think you should fill a bug report on malone [04:54] gcc-4.0's build-depends line is 2181 characters [04:54] Nafallo: erm, sorry. what is im-switch? [04:54] and vlc build-deps on 56 (!) different packages [04:55] siretart: ahh, you wasn't following :-). uim is on UniverseUnmetDeps, uim-common deps on im-switch. im-switch is in debian but not in ubuntu and deps on xfree86-common :-). === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-216-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089CC44.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:55] Amaranth: what about gst-plugins and mplayer? ;) [04:56] they don't come close according to this shell script written by a debian guy [04:56] siretart: the right solution would be to take im-switch from debian, modify and upload to REVU to fix uim? [04:56] Nafallo: does im-switch really need xfree86-common? I mean, can't the package be modified to work with xorg? [04:56] oh, gst-plugins0.8 is 51 [04:56] mplayer isn't in the top 10 [04:56] Nafallo: yes, that way we could have a look at it [04:57] siretart: oki, I'll see what I can do about it then :-) [04:57] vlc is tied with debian-installer [05:13] Nafallo: im-switch works fine for me just with the depends on xfree86-common replaced by xorg-common [05:14] Nafallo: and the postinst and prerm look safe enough with that dependency [05:15] gary_: oki, I'll upload to REVU then and hopes the acks from three other MOTUs goes quick ;-) [05:17] Nafallo: thanks! I'm sure the other IM frameworks are good, I'm just used to that one. [05:17] gary_: np :-) [05:23] Nafallo: I think you just uploaded a native package, was this intentional? [05:25] siretart: seems to be native in debian, not sure if we should follow that? [05:25] ok [05:25] siretart: I'll see what the comments gives ;-) === bddebian [n=bddebian@user216-178-65-218.netcarrier.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:29] Morning [05:33] <\sh> grmpf [05:34] <\sh> I wanted to go home..and now I'm sitting here and fixing eit streams for turkish dtv services [05:34] Sounds fun :-) [05:35] Hello \sh [05:35] <\sh> it's bar ,-) [05:35] <\sh> hey bddebian [05:36] <\sh> it's a foobar situation [05:38] <\sh> ok..next try to go home: -22 min === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-216-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] \sh: Isn't everything foobar? :-) === chillywilly snuggles with bddebian ;) [05:41] using cdbs, which target should I use to delete admin/config.(guess|sub) ? [05:41] clean:: and cleanbuildir won't work [05:41] chillywilly: :-) [05:44] :) [05:44] <\sh> delete ? [05:44] <\sh> and then copy it back from /usr/share/misc? [05:45] \sh: it's autotools temp files no ? [05:46] \sh: excuse me... i know i'm sooo tiring, but can u give any idea about howto get gcfilms synced?? [05:46] \sh: i've talked with elmo yesterday and he told me wiki was not the way to do it... [05:48] <\sh> pef: autotools-dev [05:48] infinito: I think the package needs a review before being integrated [05:48] <\sh> pef: normally it's delivered [05:48] \sh: I just want to delete them from my .diff.gz ;) another method than moving debian folder ? [05:50] <\sh> config.{guess,sub} is in $(CURDIR)...you could backup the old ones, put the new ones during configure, and after installing you can put the old ones back in place [05:50] \sh: I have them in curdir and in curdir/admin too [05:51] <\sh> pef: kde stuff? [05:51] \sh: yep [05:51] <\sh> pef: hmm...u don't do a autogen.sh? [05:52] <\sh> infinito: hmm.... [05:52] <\sh> infinito: I'll try another way later this evening... [05:52] \sh: thanks a lot [05:52] \sh: feature freeze is tomorrow, so maybe we're on time to make it into breezy.... [05:53] <\sh> infinito:hmmm [05:53] <\sh> ogra: ping [05:53] \sh, ? [05:54] infinito: feature freeze means no new packages into universe, too ? [05:54] <\sh> ogra: feature freezy will affect universe as well as hard as main? [05:54] <\sh> lol...freezy [05:54] <\sh> breezy [05:54] pef: not sure... maybe im wrong [05:54] <\sh> I'm really tired [05:56] siretart: have you seen http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319527 ? [05:57] do you now if it already builds on breezy ppc? [05:57] i dont think we will handle it as serious [05:57] \sh, ^^ [05:57] I can try this night at home [05:57] as well as we dont handle UVF as serious... [05:57] <\sh> ogra: I'm really ashamed what happened yesterday with xterm...i was somewhere else with my brain and didn't think about upstream freeze *grrrr* [05:57] koke: the qemu version siretart uploaded today builds on amd64, x86 and ppc ;) [05:58] yup... i saw it [05:58] <\sh> ok...another try to go home...later guys [05:58] I must be blind :) [05:59] I just looked at packages.u.c === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-49-46.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:02] is anyone here using firestarter? I need to confirm a bug... in outbound connection events tab, click with the right button of the mouse. In my case, appears the same options as in an inbound event [06:02] at least using a translated firestarter.. not sure if the same happens in pure english. In other words, select "outbound event" - "select with right button of the mouse" , compare the options with those of an "inbound event [06:06] WaterSevenUb: you can launch it untranslated running from a terminal [06:06] LC_ALL=C firestarter [06:06] or whatever the command is called === janimo [n=pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [i=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:16] Ok... it doesn't happen in pure english. I've checked the PO file and the strings are correctly translated. What is happening? [06:17] koke: in the translated firestarter there is the problem although the strings in the PO file are correctly translated. === janimo [n=pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:18] WaterSevenUb: check it at https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/firestarter/+pots/firestarter/pt === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] koke: ? (I am using that POT) === janimo [n=pet@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:28] koke: and with that POT, the "outbound events" options behave like "inbound events" even the translation is correct for the strings of the "outbound events" options. [06:32] hi guys [06:34] Heya mbreit [06:35] hey bddebian [06:37] hi mbreit [06:37] hey sistpoty [06:39] Heya sistpoty [06:39] grr.... i hate those segfault on the buildds [06:40] they prevent me from watching tv :( [06:41] Heh === sistpoty2 [n=nobody@DSL01.83.171.166.113.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:52] SloMoSnail: ping [06:52] pef: pong [06:52] SloMoSnail: kvpnc uploaded http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=335 :) [06:55] pef: where's the diff? === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:56] SloMoSnail: wrong link, sorry http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=337 === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-49-46.dsl.telepac.pt] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Fui] [06:59] pef: maybe call dh_desktop at the end of install === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:00] SloMoSnail: right (It's my first cdbs package ;) [07:03] i wonder why the kde class doesn't call dh_desktop... the gnome one does... === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] are the buildds broken atm? there are so many weird errors... [07:06] pef: reuploaded with dh_desktop? [07:06] SloMoSnail: I have others comments in #kubuntu-devel ;) [07:06] ok ;) === sistpoty2 is now known as sistpoty === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mattyJ [n=matt@oh-clevelandheights-cdnt1-bg2c-224.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:22] siretart: do you know what happened your liferea upload yesterday? i got the accept mail but it haven't reached the buildds yet... [07:29] pef: what are the remaining problems the kubuntu people found? [07:30] SloMoSnail: things like s|/usr/bin||g in debian/menu, s/vpn/VPN (virtual private network)/ and others things making a package _very_ nice :) === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:30] SloMoSnail: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=338 === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:32] ok, looks better ;) any other things remaining? [07:33] SloMoSnail: I think no === sivang --> back === tritium [n=tritium@69.49.164.146.swcp.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:36] pef: but i have some... in the debian directory are some files which should be cleaned... for example the stamps [07:37] bddebian, hey man [07:38] SloMoSnail: where ? I can't see theme here http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc_0.7.2-1ubuntu1.diff [07:38] http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508101930/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ [07:39] omg... they're in the upstream tarball... [07:39] ok, then everything's fine ;) [07:39] tritium!! Where you been man? [07:39] tritium: All moved? [07:39] bddebian, dude, moving [07:39] SloMoSnail: and I can't delete them from orig tarball :/ [07:40] bddebian, Yeah, we arrived in Albuquerque Sunday night. It'll be a few more days before I have broadband up. [07:40] pef: yeah... doesn't matter... ok, now lets see if this builds ;) [07:40] I really have to go [07:40] tritium: Ah, cool [07:41] SloMoSnail: don't forget to add any comments to revu [07:41] bddebian, anyway, I'm at a coffee shop getting wireless for a few minutes. I got an email regarding your attempted upload. Did you fix it? [07:41] pef: why do you put the desktop-file in debian/usr/share/applications/kde/kvpnc.desktop? [07:41] pef: don't worry :) when everything's fine you get a vote from me [07:41] mbreit: i wanted to ask this :P [07:41] tritium: For which? [07:41] bddebian, python-pyrtf [07:42] Hmm, I dunno if I saw that [07:42] from debian/rules: mv debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applnk/Internet/kvpnc.desktop debian/kvpnc/usr/share/applications/kde/ [07:42] the file is automaticaly copied to the right location [07:42] bddebian, from katie [07:42] pef: you should put it in debian/kvpnc.desktop and move it in debian/rules to the right location [07:43] well, I need to get going here. I'll be in touch as soon as I can. Give me a few more days to get settled before I'm online more regularly [07:43] debian/kvpnc should be deleted in the clean-target, so there shouldn't be any important files [07:43] tritium: I just got whitelisted a couple days ago [07:43] ago :) [07:43] tritium: Oh, enjoy :-) [07:43] mbreit: yes... and currently the original desktop file in src is copied over there... and not the one in debian/ [07:43] pef: are they the same? [07:43] bddebian, okay, have a good day. I'll be in touch soon. bye === tritium [n=tritium@69.49.164.146.swcp.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [07:43] SloMoSnail: no [07:43] then it should just be deleted in clean... [07:44] pef: here they are the same ;) [07:45] pef: otherwise it looks very nice... to bad that i have no voting rights on revu, you would get my vote besides that issue above ;) [07:45] very proud to hear this :) [07:45] pef: i would suggest to just remove the desktop file from the debian directory... you aren't using it anyways ;) [07:45] pef: just solve this small issue and you get the vote [07:46] pef: (builds fine here) [07:49] SloMoSnail: adding a rm desktop file to clean target ? [07:49] nope... just remove the debian/usr directory from the diff [07:49] SloMoSnail: the desktop file should be deleted with the clean target... [07:50] mbreit: rm -rfd debian/usr to clean target is ok ? [07:51] pef: well, _should_ be, but better ask a motu with some experiences (i am not a motu) [07:51] pef: debian/usr isn't created by the build process... seems like you created it ;) just remove this directory from your diff and everything will be cleaned correctly [07:51] oh, okay, i see [07:52] i thought it was debian/kvpnc/... and that is generated during the build [07:52] pef: believe SloMoSnail, he's right ;) [07:52] mbreit: yes... but cdbs removes this stuff itself while cleaning ;) [07:53] SloMoSnail: that's the point which was striking me ;) [07:54] ok, fine :) now everybody is happy and i'll get something to eat :) brb === blueyed [n=daniel@i5387151E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:57] re [07:59] wb === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] wb SloMoSnail [08:03] hey bddebian :) [08:03] SloMoSnail: I really have to go, will make the lasts changes tomorow morning :) [08:04] pef: no problem :) just send me a note when you've uploaded that version [08:04] SloMoSnail: of course :) [08:04] btw: pef, SloMoSnail: just a hint: md5sum ;) [08:04] bye ! [08:04] oh, forget it ;) [08:04] mbreit: you're just blind ;P the orginal tarball was bz2... this one is exactly the same with gz ;) [08:05] SloMoSnail: yes, that was my problem ;) [08:05] SloMoSnail: but anyway different packages [08:06] mbreit: i ran diff over them and they were the same [08:07] but if i unzip them both, they have different md5sum [08:07] so the tarballs are not the same [08:07] maybe just repackaged.. [08:08] maybe... well i haven't tested that... i unpacked them completly and ran diff over the resulting directories [08:08] imho no problem [08:19] <- in method getFood() : undefined reference to fridge... [08:19] cya later [08:39] wahh... missed Mez :/ === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:46] SloMoSnail: There he is :-) [08:48] ...and there he goes... [08:48] hehe === Natja [n=Natja@116-210.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mbreit [n=mo@p54876847.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dionysus [n=dionysus@220-245-247-116-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nikopol [n=mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja [n=Natja@116-210.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === danb [n=d@213.78.209.47] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] Is it too late for sane 1.0.16 to get into breezy? [10:34] libsane is in main, the cli tools are in universe [10:34] so you'd need to convince mdz/Kamion about libsane === doko_ [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-073-021.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:35] ajmitch: what version of libsane is in breezy now? [10:36] 1.0.15 or 1.0.15cvs? [10:38] the package version is 1.0.15-9ubuntu5, so I'd need to loko at the changelog to see if patches have been grabbed from cvs for it [10:38] ajmitch: so you don't think its too late to get 1.0.16 in then? [10:39] maybe not, but you'd have to justify breaking the freeze for it === Valandil [n=chrys@dsl-084-056-103-255.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:41] ajmitch: Could I upgrade just that package in Hoary, or would I have to update all of KDE to breezy just to get a new libsane? [10:42] I wouldn't know [10:42] In fact I'm running KDE 3.4.2 ontop of kubuntu, if that helps? [10:42] you'd have to look at the dependencies [10:42] aj: you running breezy? === Dantis [n=danten@h87n8c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [10:43] yes [10:43] how (un)stable is it now? [10:43] is it useable yet? 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