[12:09] <George> Riddell: I didn't realise Kubuntu was so big :)
[12:09] <Riddell> George: in which way?
[12:09] <George> Riddell: this channel is .. big
[12:09] <George> :P
[12:09] <George> Riddell: as in big community
[12:10] <Riddell> speaking of community, http://kubuntuforums.net/ just launched
[12:10] <George> woo
[12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kickass
[12:12] <George> Riddell: registered :)
[12:12] <George> I ought to try out Kubuntu some day
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What do you use now?
[12:13] <George> Gentoo
[12:13] <George> amd64 and ppc
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nice
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Heard it's fast. Is that true?
[12:14] <George> reasonably
[12:14] <jrattner1> In my last KDE session I had several programs open when I ended the session, now when I try to open KDE it doesnt load, and I feel its because KDE is trying to load all of the programs of the last session
[12:14] <jrattner1> how can I get KDE working again?
[12:14] <George> erm
[12:15] <George> the session stuff is in $KDEHOME/share/config/sessions iirc
[12:15] <jrattner1> George, so what should i do with that
[12:15] <George> are you trying to load KDE at the moment?
[12:15] <jrattner1> im in gnome right now
[12:15] <George> bah
[12:16] <George> when it's trying to load kde, switch to VT1 then login and run "top"
[12:16] <George> see if any of the KDE processes are using full CPU
[12:16] <George> and kill them if they are
[12:16] <jrattner1> George, ok then?
[12:16] <George> that might sort it out to a point that KDE will load
[12:16] <jrattner1> ok
[12:16] <jrattner1> let me try it be right back
[12:17] <George> otherwise, move ~/.kde to another location such as ~/.kde.bak
[12:17] <George> bah.
[12:17] <George> he's gone.
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> He'll be back. They ALL come back!
[12:17] <George> lol
[12:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, they do
[12:17] <George> Riddell: 16 days until akademy :)
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's that?
[12:18] <George> KDE World Con
[12:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ooh, sounds important
[12:18] <George> heh
[12:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Are you going, George?
[12:19] <George> yes
[12:19] <George> trying to fix Phantom^^'s problem is annoying :)
[12:20] <jrattner1> nope
[12:20] <jrattner1> any other ideas George ?
[12:20] <George> yeah
[12:20] <George> move ~/.kde to somewhere else
[12:20] <George> like ~/.kde.bak
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> format c:
[12:20] <jrattner1> ok..
[12:20] <George> and see if that works when you next load KDE
[12:20] <George> that will essentially remove the KDE configuration files
[12:21] <George> so KDE will start again with default values
[12:21] <aseigo> George: 16 days till you either:
[12:21] <aseigo> a) get to look after peyton
[12:21] <George> aseigo: I am NOT LOOKING AFTER PEYTON.
[12:21] <aseigo> b) get to meet that boy^Wgirl
[12:21] <jrattner1> so mv ~/.kde ~/.kde-back ?
[12:21] <George> yes
[12:21] <jrattner1> then reboot
[12:21] <George> no
[12:21] <George> then reload KDE
[12:21] <jrattner1> ok
[12:21] <aseigo> George: fine. no food for you.
[12:21] <George> aseigo: bitch.
[12:22] <George> aseigo: you're not very nice are you? :)
[12:22] <aseigo> George: that's mr. bitch to you
[12:22] <George> aseigo: bah.
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You're female?
[12:22] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: mr. bitch <-- 
[12:22] <aseigo> not mrs. bitch
[12:22] <George> yeah
[12:22] <aseigo> or ms. bitch
[12:23] <George> her name is Aaronette.
[12:23] <aseigo> erin
[12:23] <George> that's what the "a" in "aseigo" stands for.
[12:23] <aseigo> my name would be erin if it was the feminine
[12:23] <aseigo> as it is, i just cross dress from time to time 
[12:23] <George> yeah, but that doesn't start with an A.
[12:23] <aseigo> but am not REALLY a womanm
[12:23] <George> that beard fooled me then
[12:23] <George> :P
[12:23] <aseigo> yeah, the beard is just to fuck with you.
[12:23] <George> hah
[12:24] <aseigo> "wow. look at that gir- .. aaah! it has a beard!"
[12:24] <George> you're the same height as an average female though
[12:24] <George> SHORTY
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, that's kinda confusing. Mr indicates that you're of the male gender, while "bitch" indicates otherwise
[12:24] <aseigo> i'd make bucks in the old days of the freak shows.
[12:24] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: i'm tricksy like that =P
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Indeed
[12:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Unless...
[12:25] <aseigo> you could always inquire of the women in my life which i am, however. they have sources of definitive information.
[12:25] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/KDE/aKademy/Day%202/1024x768/PICT0647.JPG
[12:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I could, but I'm afraid of what I might discover
[12:25] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's aseigo in the blue shirt
[12:26] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he is SOOOO a woman.
[12:26] <jrattner1> still did not work, do you think i should try reinstalling kubuntu George ?
[12:26] <George> no
[12:26] <George> well, if you want... :)
[12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There are two guys with blue shirts
[12:26] <jrattner1> It was working perfectly until, I ended my last session I dont get it
[12:27] <George> I've never actually /used/ kubuntu so I don't know what TRICKERY Riddell has done to bastardise KDE :)
[12:27] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: woops
[12:27] <aseigo> jrattner1: what's the problem
[12:27] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: try the guy with the beard
[12:27] <George> aseigo: lipstick?
[12:27] <aseigo> i believe so yes
[12:27] <George> heh
[12:27] <George> see! he's a transexual!
[12:27] <jrattner1> aseigo, KDE will not start since the last session when I logged out, with XCHAT, GAIM, and LIMEWIRE running
[12:27] <aseigo> i got hammered, put on lipstick and got picked up by some hot girls
[12:27] <George> oh god. Phantom^^'s back.
[12:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Both of them look male enough to me, but I have doubts about the person holding a plushie
[12:28] <aseigo> jrattner1: what's your ~/.xsession-errors says?
[12:28] <aseigo> er, say
[12:28] <George> aseigo: heh, that's be a sensible course of action to take :)
[12:28] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah, he was pretty freakin' attached to his konqi plushie
[12:28] <George> I'm very lazy when it comes to checking logs
[12:28] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: i have pics of him asleep with it
[12:29] <aseigo> in fact, that night i had to use my "i'm canadian" line to get into the private club
[12:29] <aseigo> (where the women told us to meet up with them)
[12:29] <jrattner1> aseigo, its only got gnome information right now cause im using gnome at the minute
[12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's Chris Howells
[12:29] <aseigo> and wheels got turned away because he was wearing sandles
[12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/KDE/aKademy/Day%202/800x600/PICT0651.JPG
[12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he was using it as a pillow ~2 seconds before that picture was taken
[12:29] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he quickly tried to hide it
[12:30] <aseigo> so it was just allan and me
[12:30] <George> aseigo: carewolf?
[12:30] <aseigo> yeah
[12:30] <George> I think he slept in the bunk above me
[12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That pose is simply....disturbing
[12:30] <jrattner1> George, any other ideas?
[12:30] <George> he was the ONLY person that would come back later at night to the hostel than me
[12:30] <George> jrattner1: check ~/.xsession-errors
[12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I can't figure out whether he just woke up, or if he's stalking someone
[12:30] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: well, he's good at that. being disturbing that is ;)
[12:30] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: probably both
[12:30] <jrattner1> George, I did it only has gnome information
[12:31] <George> hrmm
[12:31] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: I think he was actually death staring me for taking a photo of him at about 3am
[12:31] <aseigo> jrattner1: hum. ok... try rm'ing ~/.ICEAuthority and ~/.Xauthority
[12:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Are those Macs on the table? iBook and PowerBook?
[12:31] <George> yeah
[12:31] <George> powerbook is mine
[12:31] <George> ibook is his
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That PowerBook looks very sleek
[12:32] <George> heh.
[12:32] <jrattner1> aseigo, alright let me try to load KDE again
[12:32] <George> I *really* shouldn't have taken it apart.
[12:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's that silver thing under his watch?
[12:33] <George> Riddell: didn't we have an issue with Ben Lamb's shuttle last year at LWCE when KDE wouldn't load? required changing ownership of some files /tmp iirc...
[12:33] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: probably a transformer or a battery charger
[12:33] <Riddell> George: not as far as I remember, but it's quite possible
[12:33] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: chowells went nuts on bringing crap with him to akademy last year
[12:34] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: I think he brought two laptops, an external keyboard, a million 4-way power extension cords...
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wow
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Did he actually use all of those?
[12:34] <George> whereas je4d forced me to travel light.. I had to pack for 11 days in HAND LUGGAGE
[12:34] <George> ergh.
[12:34] <aseigo> no, we beat him up and took them from him
[12:34] <George> aseigo: ;)
[12:34] <aseigo> that's why he's cuddling his plushie and ducking
[12:35] <George> lol
[12:35] <aseigo> we put the fear of god into that boy
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> lol
[12:35] <aseigo> George, on the other hand, we just made run through the platz naked
[12:35] <George> http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/cache/pictures/KDE/aKademy/Day%202/800x600/PICT0646.JPG
[12:35] <George> aseigo: ?
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Poor kid. Google says he's one of the youngest KDE developers too
[12:35] <aseigo> though he seemed to enjoy that more than it scar him
[12:35] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: he's not
[12:35] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah, and i had to ride the bus in with them (when i woke up that is ;)
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> George: He's not?
[12:36] <George> aseigo: what are you talking about?
[12:36] <jrattner1> George, aseigo I didnt work but i got some errors for you fold on
[12:36] <arcanistherogue> hey, i want to access my "shared documents" folder on myt family computer, which is another computer on the network.  how would i do this?
[12:36] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: nah, he's 21 now or something
[12:36] <arcanistherogue> it is running win XP the family computer
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Open Konqueror and click Remote Places and then Samba Shares
[12:37] <arcanistherogue> i didnt set anything up though
[12:37] <George> aseigo: what's this about buses and riding them?
[12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't need to. I know I didn't
[12:38] <arcanistherogue> where is remote places?
[12:38] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: far from you.
[12:38] <arcanistherogue> very funny.
[12:39] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: in kubuntu, there's the system icon on the panel right next to the k menu
[12:39] <arcanistherogue> ah
[12:39] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: click on it, select Remote Folders or whatever the hell it's called
[12:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe. Actually you can access it either by running Konqueror and selecting it or by clicking on the computer icon right from the KDE kicker and then selecting "Remote Places"
[12:39] <George> I ought to migrate my root partition to XFS at some point.
[12:39] <aseigo> arcanistherogue: then select the add new remote folder icon thingy
[12:39] <arcanistherogue> nah, i found it
[12:39] <aseigo> George: i think you should dissassemble the computer first
[12:39] <George> aseigo: why?
[12:40] <aseigo> George: just seems like something you'd do ... =P
[12:40] <George> heh.
[12:40] <George> why would I disassemble a computer for no reason?
[12:41] <George> actually, the answer to that is probably "because you're George".
[12:41] <George> aseigo: so how much food are you going to buy me?
[12:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The food won't be free? That's reason enough not to go, if it were me :P
[12:43] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: blah
[12:43] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: aseigo said he'd buy me food. RIGHT AARON?
[12:43] <George> I was bullied at akademy last year :(
[12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Tech-bullies?
[12:44] <George> yeah
[12:44] <George> by Zack Rusin of all people. you can't get much lower and more degrading.
[12:45] <aseigo> dude, getting bullied by zrusin is like being slapped by christy brinkley
[12:45] <aseigo> i mean, you got slapped
[12:45] <aseigo> but .. it was freakin' christy brinkley!
[12:45] <George> :(
[12:45] <George> dude, being bullied by Zack and Ian is about as low as you can get
[12:45] <George> and Helio
[12:46] <aseigo> and i'd take that over a hot wet kiss by 99% of the women around here ;)
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, this is gold:
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> When did you first hear of KDE?
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I don't remember to be honest. I know that the first time I tried it was when one of my friends forced me to try Caldera.
[12:46] <George> aseigo: ?
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Emphasis on "forced" :P
[12:46] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: who wrote that?
[12:46] <aseigo> George: aw, that's just because we love you
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I dunno. It's here: http://www.kde.nl/people/zack.html
[12:46] <George> :P
[12:46] <George> heh, Zack.
[12:46] <George> the one thing I learnt about Zack was NEVER TRUST A THING HE SAYS
[12:46] <George> :)
[12:47] <George> I mean, he says he's cute... that says it all.
[12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wow. Extreme self-appreciation
[12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> He must have issues
[12:47] <George> he also loves poles.
[12:47] <George> (the solid, metallic type)
[12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Any particular reason?
[12:48] <George> no idea
[12:48] <George> but we have evidence.
[12:48] <twidget> Anyone use Bluefish?
[12:48] <pv_> err, poles as in magnetic poles
[12:48] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: http://bddf.ca/~aseigo/germany2k4/aKademy/pages/dscn0417.jpg.html
[12:48] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: you can see the true love in his eyes
[12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's almost as weird as that character from Star Ocean: The Second Story. He had a wooden barrel fetish
[12:49] <George> aseigo: were you there last year when lypanov, me and daniels had a crap music fight?
[12:49] <aseigo> George: no. i try to avoid the lameness =P
[12:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dear lord. No sleep for me today, I guess
[12:50] <George> aseigo: it was funny :)
[12:50] <aseigo> George: those are now all on aseigo.bddf.ca btw (the pics)
[12:50] <George> aseigo: the music was getting progressively worse as time went by
[12:50] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: there's a story behind that picture of zack
[12:50] <George> aseigo: and then daniels put on this DREADFUL 80s German karaoke music... about Moscow. or something.
[12:50] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: he was crushing on the waitress. who was crushing twice as hard back
[12:51] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: and then her boyfriend showed up one night and decided to crush some wine bottles in zack's general direction
[12:51] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: but yeah... at that point he was all fluttering.
[12:51] <George> rofl
[12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Awwwwww
[12:51] <George> so he hit on a POLE?
[12:51] <George> engel
[12:51] <George> not angel
[12:51] <aseigo> he didn't hit on it. he expressed his inner state by embracing it
[12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> George: Maybe he needed practice
[12:52] <George> I didn't think much of the food at the Blauer Engel
[12:52] <aseigo> engel. right. 
[12:52] <aseigo> George: it was edible.
[12:52] <George> but as IBM was funding our food
[12:52] <George> I don't think I was complaining.
[12:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> aseigo: His inner state being...a stripper?
[12:52] <aseigo> George: but you're english. you have no business rating food. =P
[12:52] <aseigo> Rogue_Jedi_X: pretty muhc.
[12:52] <George> aseigo: I like anything that has lots of beef in it
[12:52] <George> :P
[12:53] <Will__> you'd like my pants. uNF
[12:53] <aseigo> Will__: ahhahahaha
[12:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And there it is!
[12:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That was a joke just waiting to happen :)
[12:53] <Will__> <-just got in from work
[12:53] <aseigo> Will__: good timing, i must say
[12:53] <Riddell> aseigo: well restrained on the BSE comments there
[12:54] <Will__> aseigo: I tend to wait on stuff like this happening. Making people laugh on irc is my current highlight of life
[12:54] <jrattner1> George, http://pastebin.com/334151
[12:54] <George> aseigo: damn.. seeing the group photo I'm annoyed I missed it
[12:54] <aseigo> Will__: suddenly i feel for you ={
[12:54] <Will__> 728 hours, 17 minutes and 30 seconds till I'm back at university. Drink, dance and women. Holidays are _no_ fun
[12:54] <lichte> can I install kubuntu-desktop without changing the /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:54] <aseigo> ahha
[12:54] <lichte> from hoary, I mean
[12:55] <Riddell> aseigo: no hugs, I have a cold, you'll get ill
[12:55] <Will__> aseigo: hot cold hot cold. You gotta pick what you feel for me!
[12:55] <aseigo> Riddell: bah. i am impervious.
[12:55] <George> aseigo: let me guess, at aKademy you'll spend half your time on the beach trying to chat up spanish chicks?
[12:55] <Will__> <-upset and confused. You've changed!
[12:55] <aseigo> *cough* *hack* *gurgle* *die*
[12:55] <aseigo> Will__: i get that all the time from the women. damn.
[12:55] <George> aseigo: actually, make that 9/10ths of the time.
[12:55] <aseigo> George: heh. you know me well =P
[12:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm. If I want to install KDE 3.4.2, do I have to do it from runlevel 2 or is this fine?
[12:55] <George> aseigo: :P
[12:56] <Will__> Rogue_Jedi_X: I did it from gnome
[12:56] <George> aseigo: "look at this ladies. IT'S KDE 4.0 PRE ALPHA!!!"
[12:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That is also an excellent idea
[12:56] <Riddell> aseigo: that kicker applet dialogue in 3.5, shouldn't there be a generic KDE widget for that sort of thing?
[12:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> brb
[12:56] <jrattner1> George, any ideas?
[12:56] <Riddell> a klistview that takes widgets instead of just text and an image
[12:56] <George> jrattner1: hang on
[12:57] <George> jrattner1: no idea
[12:57] <George> jrattner1: looks like something to do with xorg is barfing
[12:57] <George> aseigo: any ideas?
[12:58] <jrattner1> why would it just happen out of the blue
[12:58] <George> no idea.
[12:59] <jrattner1> maybe i should just reinstall kubuntu
[12:59] <twidget> Can anyone explain why I'm seeing this as soon as I log on? http://charlesstricklin.com/files/snapshot2.png and http://charlesstricklin.com/files/snapshot3.png
[12:59] <George> jrattner1: that'd fix it... but it's probably a touch extreme
[01:00] <jrattner1> im just going to do it, it seems the easiest option right now
[01:00] <jrattner1> it takes two seconds anyway
[01:00] <George> heh
[01:00] <George> ok
[01:00] <Riddell> twidget: presumably you've set it to use the composite engine (transparent windows maybe)
[01:01] <George> I come from the Gentoo world where a reinstall is NOT a feasible option :)
[01:01] <lichte> will Kubuntu change the cli sound apps to stop using esd ?
[01:02] <jrattner1> George, i would run gentoo if it would install on my laptop
[01:02] <George> if any distro is going to install on a laptop, Gentoo is the one
[01:02] <George> because it is set up completely manually
[01:03] <Riddell> lichte: which app?
[01:03] <lichte> Riddell: like ogg123 for instance
[01:03] <_andrea> hola
[01:03] <jrattner1> George, i tried fedora, SuSE 9.3 professional, mandrake and debian and only ubuntu works
[01:03] <jrattner1> brb
[01:04] <twidget> Riddell: any idea where I'd find that?
[01:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hello again
[01:05] <Riddell> "Audio Device:   ESounD output"  hmm, wonder where that's set
[01:05] <lichte> Riddell: it's compiled in
[01:05] <Riddell> twidget: click on any window icon->configure window manager->translucency
[01:06] <hater2win> is there Quicktime for linux?
[01:06] <twidget> Riddell: got it. Just turn it off, then?
[01:07] <Riddell> twidget: yes
[01:07] <twidget> cool, thanks
[01:07] <twidget> hater2win: I don't think there is
[01:07] <Riddell> hater2win: see RestrictedFormats
[01:07] <Riddell> lichte: no mention of it in the vorbis-tools source
[01:07] <twidget> which is odd, seeing as how Mac OS X is based on a Unix kernal
[01:09] <Riddell> ogg123 -d arts  works
[01:09] <jrattner1> I got it working
[01:09] <Phantom^^> hmm x
[01:09] <jrattner1> oddly enough it was the CD in my cdrom making the problem
[01:09] <Phantom^^> or x tablet ?
[01:09] <Riddell> lichte: ah hah /etc/libao.conf
[01:10] <lichte> Riddell: is there any way to get rid of the arts dependencies ?
[01:10] <hater2win> Riddell: so what do i do in firefox about like a Quicktime plugin?
[01:11] <hater2win> nvm, codecs, lol. ill do what you tell me next time =p
[01:11] <Riddell> lichte: which arts dependencies?
[01:11] <lichte> Riddell: all of 'em
[01:12] <lichte> Riddell: when I compile KDE on Gentoo, I leave out all arts dependencies
[01:12] <Riddell> lichte: not really, arts is build quite deeply into KDE
[01:12] <lichte> Riddell: not anymore
[01:12] <Riddell> well, you can recompile it all with --no-arts or something
[01:12] <George> arts is a pain in the bum
[01:12] <lichte> yeah, that's why I set the -arts USE flag on Gentoo :)
[01:13] <Riddell> lichte: what happens to sound then?
[01:13] <Will__> if you like gentoo...use it? It sounds childish, but if you like the way a distro works, then stick with it
[01:13] <lichte> Riddell: it uses alsa
[01:13] <George> I haven't had working sound in KDE for about 3 years
[01:13] <lichte> Will__: great point, I was just wondering if there were packages with different dependencies in Kubuntu
[01:14] <lichte> Will__: I don't mean that Kubuntu *should* either
[01:14] <Will__> oh, and stop using gentoo you damned freebsd wannabe. </end-of-rant> I'm going to have a cup of tea
[01:14] <George> oiy
[01:14] <George> Gentoo is good.
[01:14] <George> it runs on my powerbook very well.
[01:15] <lichte> my computer is so slow for compiling, I thought I'd try Kubuntu
[01:15] <George> heh
[01:16] <lichte> so, I don't need to change anything in sources.list to get a Kubuntu desktop anymore ?
[01:16] <Riddell> lichte: no
[01:16] <lichte> just make sure I'm pulling from Hoary ?
[01:17] <lichte> Riddell: very nice
[01:17] <lichte> Riddell: I will have to add a line to get the 3.4.2 though, right ?  It seems to be saying that at the Kubuntu website
[01:17] <twidget> Recommendations on software to capture my LPs so that I may convert them to CDs?
[01:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I should clean this crud up
[01:19] <Riddell> lichte: yes
[01:19] <lichte> oh, and one last question before I run off to install;  How do I change the runlevels ??
[01:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Edit /etc/inittab
[01:20] <lichte> Rogue_Jedi_X: no, I mean to turn off certain things from booting up
[01:20] <lichte> like, turn of Postfix, etc.
[01:20] <lichte> s/of/off
[01:20] <lichte> I don't want to chmod in /etc/init.d either
[01:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, that
[01:20] <lichte> I mean a REAL runlevel editor
[01:21] <Riddell> lichte: one is being worked on as part of guidance, but there's no packages yet
[01:21] <lichte> I seem to remember someone told me once what the default way to do that is on a debian system
[01:22] <lichte> I can't remember what the name of the program is though
[01:22] <lichte> it's on the base Ubuntu install though, I do remember that
[01:27] <George> heh, Phantom^^'s fstab is still borked
[01:29] <lichte> well, I guess I'll go install
[01:29] <lichte> thanks all
[01:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What does the kubuntu-desktop package contain?
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I want to ditch Noatun, but it wants to take it down with it
[01:32] <Riddell> Rogue_Jedi_X: it will do that if you're using kde 3.4.2 in hoary
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dammit
[01:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Same for ksirc too
[01:43] <George> haha, I wallhacked you.
[01:43] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:43] <George> :P
[01:43] <George> Phantom^^: did you see that story about that korean dude who played starcraft for 50 hours and died?
[01:44] <George> Phantom^^: and no, it wasn't Taejae :)
[01:44] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:44] <Phantom^^> yeah] 
[01:45] <Will__> what a wimp. 50 hours is nothing
[01:45] <George> :)
[01:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I like Starcraft too, but DAMN
[01:49] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah. Phantom^^ and I used to play starcraft together. I whipped his ASS :D
[01:50] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:50] <Phantom^^> tell them about me and ut and the rest of the boarding house :D
[01:50] <George> erm
[01:50] <George> yeah, you freak :P
[01:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That sounds interesting
[01:51] <Phantom^^> winner stays on lol
[01:51] <George> the undisputed unreal tournament champion :P
[01:51] <George> ie - the guy who can do 5 million mouseclicks per second
[01:51] <George> :)
[01:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Not sure I follow
[01:51] <Phantom^^> tell that to Taejae and his key combos
[01:52] <George> ergh
[01:52] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:52] <George> taejae basically played starcraft with a keyboard
[01:52] <George> crazy koreans.
[01:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Why? Did the mouse drown in nervous sweat?
[01:53] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: no, it was faster
[01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's one of the reasons why I'm reluctant to play Quake online again. People are just too damn fast for me
[01:54] <George> lol
[01:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's over in, like, 2 seconds for me
[01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 0:01 - Announcer says "FIGHT!"
[01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> 0:02 - I'm all over the nearby wall
[01:55] <George> lol
[01:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Everyone having BFG4k doesn't help either
[01:56] <George> HAHA
[01:56] <George> i don't play FPS games
[01:56] <George> they suck
[01:56] <George> one of the many reasons why Phantom^^ thinks I'm a n00b
[01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Come to think of it, the only two games I've played online AND enjoyed are Starcraft and Dark Forces: Jedi Knight
[01:57] <George> try playing starcraft on the korean server
[01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, and the occasional TOCA 2 with my cousin
[01:58] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:58] <George> annihilated in about 20 seconds.
[01:58] <Phantom^^> fps rocks
[01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No freakin' way
[01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've seen the videos
[01:58] <Phantom^^> you just need reactions like  eirton senner
[01:58] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Those guys don't even bother to build a base. They have the ability to pwnz0r you with SCVs. SCVs!
[01:58] <George> ROFL
[01:59] <George> SCVs are THE LEET
[01:59] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:59] <Phantom^^> idd
[01:59] <George> Phantom^^ got pissed when I used to do that tohim
[01:59] <Phantom^^> lol
[01:59] <Phantom^^> i need my leet ASMD shock rifle
[01:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, the only weapon in ut with tertiary fire
[02:00] <George> Phantom^^: shoot BECKY! :D
[02:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I prefer the flak cannon myself
[02:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Compensates for my aim which sucks
[02:01] <Phantom^^> yeah its all about timing the shock combos :D
[02:01] <George> Phantom^^: did you ever buy a rifle in the end?
[02:01] <Phantom^^> nope
[02:01] <George> heh
[02:01] <George> wimp.
[02:02] <Phantom^^> i stopped shooting at the university club cos the chairman of the exec slept with a girl i was seeing :P
[02:02] <George> ROFL
[02:02] <George> hahaha, I'm laughing so hard I'm actually scared I'll wake my parents
[02:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I haven't played a PC game in a long time. Long live my PS2!
[02:02] <George> long live my dreamcast
[02:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Which reminds me. I really should finish Digital Devil Saga. I haven't touched it for weeks now
[02:03] <Phantom^^> i rerally wish i trusted myslef to play games 
[02:03] <Phantom^^> but i have reatakes to study for
[02:04] <George> heh
[02:04] <George> your fault for failing
[02:04] <George> you lazy sod :P
[02:04] <Phantom^^> hehe
[02:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lazy people made life easier
[02:04] <Phantom^^> haha
[02:04] <George> I'm lazy
[02:04] <George> :D
[02:04] <George> I'm the laziest person EVER
[02:05] <Phantom^^> ooo its all about the poly topal isomers of oragano metallic complexes
[02:05] <George> shut up
[02:05] <George> :P
[02:05] <George> you're reminding me of this chemistry work I have to do.
[02:05] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'll just pretend I understood that
[02:06] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: (psst - he's a chemistry undergrad)
[02:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oooh
[02:06] <George> and he failed his first year exams
[02:06] <George> :)
[02:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So what. Einstein sucked in school too
[02:07] <George> bah
[02:07] <George> Einstein is overrated.
[02:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So we're probably talking to the future uber-genius in chemical warfare
[02:07] <Phantom^^> so basically we can get bot tetrahedral and sq planlar geometric structures of the same organo metalic complex 
[02:07] <George> shut up John.
[02:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's like another language
[02:08] <George> Rogue_Jedi_X: it's "NERD"
[02:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nearly Enlightened Robot of Doom?
[02:09] <George> oh shush
[02:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hehe
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just read a short article
[02:11] <Phantom^^> i have no hope of getting thermodynamics and kinetics sorted out before next tuesday :(
[02:11] <n> Anyone know how to set up a USB scanner so any user can access it? Only root can scan at the mo
[02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Microsoft made a discovery that their operating system just MIGHT be getting slower after leaving it on for a few days
[02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And it only took them 15 years
[02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Christ
[02:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, here we go. The original article in english
[02:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://news.com.com/Putting+Vista+in+the+fast+lane/2100-1016_3-5820758.html?tag=nefd.lede
[02:19] <_frank> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's pretty funny
[02:36] <_sasha> Hi, I seem to be having trouble compiling mplayer
[02:36] <_sasha> or linking rather
[02:36] <_sasha> /usr/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2eea): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':
[02:36] <_sasha> : undefined reference to `XF86VidModeQueryVersion'
[02:36] <_sasha> /usr/lib/libGL.a(glxcmds.o)(.text+0x2f1a): In function `glXGetMscRateOML':
[02:36] <_sasha> : undefined reference to `XF86VidModeGetModeLine'
[02:36] <_sasha> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[02:36] <_sasha> make: *** [mplayer]  Error 1
[02:36] <supernix> hey anyone using emacs ?
[02:37] <supernix> Just curious what was so special about it and such
[02:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's Apple
[02:37] <_sasha> There's a thread about the exact same problem at http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-27576.html, but the solution offered there doesn't seem to help me
[02:38] <sproingie> supernix: emacs has kwan
[02:38] <supernix> ah
[02:38] <supernix> what is kwan ?
[02:39] <sproingie> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EmacsHasQwan
[02:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> _sasha: Why don't you just apt-get it?
[02:40] <sproingie> er, qwan, since it's an acronym
[02:40] <sproingie> quality without a name
[02:40] <teste> oi how to add more server at Konversation ?
[02:40] <teste> dunno the names
[02:41] <sproingie> emacs has gnus.  emacs has vm.  emacs has minesweeper, tetris, and psychoanalyze-pinhead
[02:41] <_sasha> How?
[02:42] <teste> yep
[02:42] <sproingie> i hear it also edits text, but i think that's a scurrilous rumour
[02:42] <_sasha> I'm not sure which repository to add...
[02:42] <_sasha> I thought I added all of them, but mplayer doesn't appear in kynaptic
[02:44] <_sasha> I added URI: http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/, Distribution: hoary-extras, Section(s): main universe multiverse restricted 
[02:44] <_sasha> from synaptic
[02:44] <dinocore> hi
[02:44] <_sasha> then hit the reload button
[02:44] <dinocore> does anyone know how to enable flash for konqueror?
[02:45] <_sasha> but mplayer doesn't appear anywhere (I searched for it)
[02:46] <sproingie> if i google "konqueror" and "flash", am i going to find the answer?
[02:46] <dinocore> well i just tried that
[02:46] <dinocore> and yes and no
[02:46] <dinocore> however im getting mixed answers
[02:46] <dinocore> and i dont know which one to follow
[02:47] <sproingie> flash in konq can tend to be unstable
[02:47] <dinocore> this seems to be the best solution
[02:47] <sproingie> for me it's impossible, since i run a 64bit konq
[02:47] <dinocore> http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php
[02:47] <sproingie> there ya go
[02:47] <dinocore> however its talking about libflashplayer6
[02:47] <sproingie> should work fine for 7
[02:48] <sproingie> just change the names
[02:48] <dinocore> you think?
[02:48] <sproingie> sure
[02:48] <sproingie> hasn't changed appreciably
[02:48] <dinocore> alright ill try it
[02:50] <dinocore> alright forget that
[02:57] <sproingie> sorry it didn't work out
[02:57] <sproingie> last i tried it on a 32bit system, it never worked either
[02:57] <sproingie> then one day i fired up konq and flash was suddenly working
[03:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just installed flash in $HOME/.mozilla and clicked "Scan for New Plugins" in Konqueror and it worked
[03:09] <dinocore> oh nice thats
[03:09] <dinocore> how did you install flash?
[03:09] <dinocore> did you use apt?
[03:09] <flugh> flung open my trenchcoat
[03:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nah, I downloaded it from macromedia's website
[03:10] <coolblue> IS THERE A KUBUNTU DVD!!!!!!!!!!
[03:10] <coolblue> sorry for caps but im excited!
[03:10] <Razor-X> hey
[03:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yes there is
[03:10] <pax> coolblue: YES!! 
[03:11] <Will__> coolblue: Did you look at the website?
[03:11] <pax> coolblue: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hoary/
[03:11] <flugh> my kubuntu dvd works real nice for me
[03:11] <Will__> because it does have DVD on the front page
[03:11] <Will__> *anger*
[03:12] <Razor-X> my gtk-qt never worked
[03:12] <Razor-X> then suddenly started working
[03:12] <Razor-X> then, after trying GTK based WMs, it broke again ;)
[03:14] <twidget> Do I need an app to burn CD/DVDs?
[03:14] <coolblue> wowieeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! can someone tell me where i can find a list of packages in kubu dvd? does it have proprietary stuff too? plz answer
[03:14] <apokryphos> twidget: K3B is good
[03:14] <apokryphos> coolblue: it doesn't, no.
[03:15] <coolblue> :(.........any list of packages somewhere on the net plz?????
[03:15] <apokryphos> coolblue: it has a lot of stuff from the Universe repository, as I recall. 
[03:15] <twidget> k3b-i18n?
[03:15] <apokryphos> you can see a lot of things under packages.ubuntu.com
[03:17] <coolblue> under packages.ubuntu.com, ALL of those packages r on dvd??
[03:17] <apokryphos> coolblue: http://nginyang.uvt.nl//kubuntu/hoary/kubuntu-5.04-dvd-i386.list
[03:17] <caller> Hello
[03:17] <apokryphos> no, not all
[03:17] <caller> I hate konversation -_-
[03:17] <caller> anyway
[03:17] <twidget> I've installed several package like k3b-i18n just now, without ever seeing anything show up under a menu. Is that right?
[03:17] <Razor-X> I use EmacsOS on top of my Kubuntu ;)
[03:18] <luminerd> anyway...I'm trying to install a window decoration theme
[03:18] <apokryphos> twidget: it should be under Multimedia
[03:18] <luminerd> anyone know how?
[03:18] <luminerd> I got a tar.bz2
[03:18] <apokryphos> luminerd: still? :)
[03:18] <twidget> ah, yes, it is
[03:18] <luminerd> apokryphos: yea, I had to quit for like 3 hours due to lack of net connection
[03:18] <Razor-X> I'm not sure if it can read those, i'ld just decompress it, and open the theme
[03:18] <twidget> thanks
[03:19] <luminerd> now I am on DSL that's worse than 56k so PLEASE don't make me download anything
[03:19] <luminerd> lol
[03:19] <apokryphos> luminerd: well, what was the problem? You were compiling, weren't you?
[03:19] <luminerd> apokryphos: yea
[03:19] <luminerd> wt...
[03:19] <luminerd> now it works
[03:19] <Razor-X> wt?
[03:19] <luminerd> nvm no problems :P I'll tell you if there is one!
[03:19] <luminerd> Razor-X: wt(f)
[03:19] <Razor-X> oh :)
[03:19] <Will__> gtk-qt is working, and cool. thanks for mentioning it
[03:20] <luminerd> I just make and make install
[03:20] <Razor-X> Will__: mine isn't, unfortunately
[03:20] <apokryphos> luminerd: instructions on the actual process should be in an "INSTALL" file there
[03:20] <Razor-X> I'm thinking because, when I _first_ installed Kubuntu god remembers when, I was too hasty and used some odd thing instead of the repos package
[03:21] <luminerd> apokryphos: lol, a 'yes' would've sufficed :P
[03:21] <Will__> Razor-X: what broke?
[03:21] <apokryphos> luminerd: that file actually explains what you're doing, which is much better
[03:22] <luminerd> apokryphos: but all I have left is make and make install :P
[03:22] <Razor-X> Will__: I have no clue, really
[03:22] <luminerd> apokryphos: lol nvm
[03:22] <luminerd> I HATE SUDO!!!
[03:22] <coolblue> woweeeeeeee! thx for the link! im so happyyyyyyyyyy!
[03:22] <Razor-X> weird thing, I uninstalled gtk-qt, but it's still in kcontrol
[03:22] <coolblue> luminerd u can easily log in as root:)
[03:22] <twidget> anyway to see the /.mozilla-thunderbird/ stuff?
[03:22] <Razor-X> (even though it has nothing it links to)
[03:23] <twidget> nm
[03:23] <apokryphos> coolblue: you shouldn't, though.
[03:23] <apokryphos> luminerd: why do you hate sudo?
[03:23] <luminerd> apokryphos: because su is SOOO much easier and better
[03:24] <Razor-X> luminerd: ``sudo -i''
[03:24] <coolblue> i know that:)
[03:24] <apokryphos> luminerd: how is it easier? Logging in/out constantly is annoying
[03:24] <gnunewbie> I am running kubuntu KDE 3.4.2, installed in ubuntu. I installed kubuntu-desktop, yes. My problem is... when I reboot and login again my settings from previous session are not saved, resolution of desktop, ln -s link in /dev for modem and stuff like that. I asked this yesterday but no one knew how to correct it. What should I do?
[03:24] <Will__> luminerd: why?
[03:24] <thoreauputic> luminerd: what's wrong with typing sudo -i to get a root shell ?
[03:24] <apokryphos> using prefix of sudo is soo much easier.
[03:24] <coolblue> anyones here uses Kvirc?
[03:25] <Razor-X> where are the gtk-qt config files kept at?
[03:25] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: get krandrtray to remember your resolution on startup
[03:26] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: unless you modify your xorg.conf to display a given resolution only
[03:26] <thoreauputic> Razor-X: dpkg -L gtk2-engines-gtk-qt  to see the files it installed?
[03:27] <Razor-X> why is it stuck in kcontrol :(
[03:27] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: what is krandrtray I don't find it in synaptic search. No I do not modify xorgconf I right click desktop and choose. Should I simple thing remove all files in home user .kde directory I am thinking some stuff got messed up when I upgraded KDE. 
[03:27] <Razor-X> what controls the kcontrol module list?
[03:28] <gnunewbie> how do I fix the other stuff not saving like my sudo ln -s /dev modem link? that should save if root does it why does it not?
[03:28] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: no, I only said the xorg.conf modification could be an option, nevermind. KRandRTray you have installed. Though... you right-click to change your resolution? How do you manage that?
[03:28] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: you make a symbolic link and it's not there when you reboot?
[03:28] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: you right click on desktop and change settings
[03:29] <apokryphos> oh, under display, so I see
[03:29] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: yes I make symbolic link in /dev as sudo and it's gone when I reboot
[03:29] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: select "apply settings on KDE startup"
[03:29] <gnunewbie> very strange it not saving my settings or anything
[03:29] <gnunewbie> so i should delete .kde directory?
[03:29] <apokryphos> strange indeed
[03:29] <apokryphos> do you shutdown tidly?
[03:29] <gnunewbie> apokryphos:thank you where i find that please
[03:29] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: I have no idea how kde would affect that, at all
[03:30] <apokryphos> right-click -> configure desktop -> Display
[03:30] <gnunewbie> I shut down easy
[03:30] <gnunewbie> thank you i look for that
[03:30] <apokryphos> shut down easy?
[03:30] <fatbrain> Hello, is there a file-explorer that looks like norton commander? left and a right pane?
[03:30] <apokryphos> fatbrain: Konqueror :)
[03:30] <apokryphos> though Kommander is popular, too. 
[03:31] <Razor-X> fatbrain: Krusader
[03:31] <Razor-X> or Midnight Commander, if you want a command-line version
[03:31] <apokryphos> damn, that's the name
[03:31] <Razor-X> ;)
[03:31] <apokryphos> You can do it perfectly in Konqueror.. which still makes me think why people use Krusader
[03:31] <gnunewbie> why is it not saving symlink i try with sudo and it works but rebooting it not there
[03:31] <apokryphos> (though, Kommander does exist - heh)
[03:31] <Razor-X> woo, I think gtk-qt is working ;)
[03:32] <Razor-X> apokryphos: you can?
[03:32] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: are you shutting down tidily?
[03:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: yes, of course. :)
[03:32] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: how do you mean tidily?
[03:32] <luminerd> crap
[03:32] <luminerd> gtg
[03:32] <luminerd> ttyl
[03:32] <luminerd> thanks for the help guys.
[03:32] <Razor-X> apokryphos: how so?
[03:32] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: KStart -> Log Out
[03:32] <apokryphos> Razor-X: under Window
[03:32] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: yes I log out and select turn off computer
[03:33] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: this is the only kubuntu system I have with this issue the other kubuntu systems work fine
[03:33] <fatbrain> Razor-X: thanks
[03:33] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: what other settings doesn't it keep?
[03:34] <fatbrain> another question, is there a good ssh/scp client?
[03:34] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: i try your resolution saving feature, other than that... symlink not saved, and i dont remember what other setting not saved, that must be it
[03:34] <Will__> uh, ssh?
[03:34] <apokryphos> fatbrain: the symbolic link is likely getting removed for some reason on startup, though I have no idea why
[03:34] <fatbrain> Razor-X: Krusader was exactly the app I was looking for
[03:34] <apokryphos> fatbrain: not related to KDE at all. You could ask in #ubuntu too
[03:35] <apokryphos> fatbrain: erm, what's wrong with Konqueror?
[03:35] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: you are reply to wrong person
[03:35] <apokryphos> whoop
[03:35] <Razor-X> hmmm, what's a GTK app?
[03:35] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: maybe I thinking should be root user not only sudo but real root to make symlink?
[03:35] <fatbrain> apokryphos: prefering some file manager over another doesnt imply that there is something wrong in Konqueor
[03:35] <apokryphos> sorry fatbrain -> gnunewbie ...except last point.
[03:35] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: no
[03:36] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: if it not keeping symlink should it mean i be hacked?
[03:36] <apokryphos> fatbrain: I know, but why would you use Krusader over Konq? Purely out of interest, I'm not attacking. 
[03:36] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: no. Could be a setting somewhere or something; don't know.
[03:36] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: try #ubuntu 
[03:36] <Razor-X> apokryphos: ..........................
[03:36] <gnunewbie> apokryphos: my friend, i thank you
[03:36] <apokryphos> Razor-X: ?
[03:36] <apokryphos> gnunewbie: np :)
[03:37] <Razor-X> there's a whole lot more to Midnight Commander/Total Commander/Krusader than just splitting the window vertically
[03:37] <apokryphos> Razor-X: ok, so what else?
[03:37] <Razor-X> apokryphos: hahahaha ;)
[03:37] <Razor-X> the key shortcuts
[03:37] <Razor-X> the built-in viewers
[03:37] <fatbrain> apokryphos: I'm using xplorer2 on my windows workstation, and I like the ability to edit on pressing F4
[03:37] <Razor-X> fatbrain: you've never used Total Commander?!
[03:37] <fatbrain> Krusader looks very similar to explorer2
[03:38] <fatbrain> no
[03:38] <Razor-X> o_O
[03:38] <apokryphos> Razor-X: Konqueror being a universal viewing application would evidently be better in that area at least...
[03:38] <Razor-X> apokryphos: Krusader uses the same universal points as Konqueror does
[03:38] <apokryphos> gravy
[03:38] <apokryphos> it can embed the same things?
[03:38] <Razor-X> a whole new program wasn't created just to split a window in half ;)
[03:38] <Razor-X> apokryphos: yeah :)
[03:39] <apokryphos> Razor-X: I never implied that
[03:39] <Razor-X> fatbrain: Total Commander is much more feature-rich, and much more akin to the original Total Commander/Midnight Commander
[03:39] <Razor-X> apokryphos: that's all the Window menu allows you to do
[03:39] <apokryphos> if it's for the key-shortcuts... erm, odd point, since Konqueror easily customizes shortcuts
[03:40] <fatbrain> Razor-X: I don't nead feature-rich... I like xplorer2 very well
[03:40] <fatbrain> you ever used xplorer2?
[03:40] <apokryphos> Razor-X: I only referenced the Window as proof that you can have split windows. Few know that, surprisingly
[03:40] <Razor-X> fatbrain: did I mention that Total Commander is half the footprint, and much more stable than Xplorer2? :)
[03:40] <apokryphos> Krusader looks really X-ish to me, rather than KDE
[03:41] <apokryphos> Razor-X: erm, krusader doesn't use kioslaves?
[03:41] <fatbrain> Razor-X: http://zabkat.com/
[03:41] <fatbrain> not the old Xplorer2 app, this is a new one
[03:41] <Razor-X> fatbrain: what's the footprint on it?
[03:42] <apokryphos> Razor-X: and, for embedding, do I have to enable an option? Doesn't seem to do it by default
[03:42] <Razor-X> embedding? :)
[03:42] <fatbrain> let me check
[03:42] <Razor-X> s/nowadys/nowadays/
[03:42] <apokryphos> Razor-X: how else does it plan on being a universal viewing application? :)
[03:42] <apokryphos> and no kioslaves is a huge downer, though :{
[03:43] <Razor-X> the Ubuntu URW Palladio font needs to get fixed
[03:43] <fatbrain> Razor-X: consumes 10mb of ram, the PE is 640kb
[03:43] <Razor-X> fatbrain: o_O
[03:43] <fatbrain> Razor-X: I must add that I've enabled all the "resource-hog" toggles available as well
[03:43] <Razor-X> that's more RAM than my other computer came with, total
[03:44] <Razor-X> (1/4th of the RAM currently in it)
[03:44] <fatbrain> I'm to lazy to do a "default"-settings test
[03:44] <Razor-X> Total Commander uses 2 (IIRC), an excellent app :)
[03:44] <fatbrain> anyway, total commander didnt supply screenshots, so I threw the website out the window
[03:44] <Razor-X> hahahahaha
[03:44] <Razor-X> google ``Total Commander screenshots''
[03:44] <Razor-X> :)
[03:46] <fatbrain> that's no good, the publisher should provide screenshots... end-of-story :P
[03:47] <Razor-X> fatbrain: you don't use CLI much, do you? :)
[03:47] <fatbrain> I do
[03:47] <fatbrain> hehe, making assumptions are we
[03:47] <Razor-X> how much?
[03:47] <fatbrain> every day
[03:47] <Razor-X> how long?
[03:47] <fatbrain> I don't clock the time I spend CLI-wise
[03:48] <fatbrain> 2hours perhaps
[03:48] <Razor-X> I almost never leave CLI :)
[03:48] <fatbrain> ok
[03:48] <fatbrain> ... you'r so 1999 :P
[03:48] <Razor-X> wow, there's no mc in Ubuntu o_O
[03:48] <Razor-X> fatbrain: I was 9 then ;)
[03:48] <fatbrain> that would make you... what? 28now?
[03:49] <Razor-X> no, it would make me 15 XD
[03:49] <jhufnage> maybe just fatfingers
[03:49] <fatbrain> Razor-X: you've tried the gui-experience right?
[03:50] <Razor-X> yeah, I have
[03:50] <fatbrain> you'r not one of the bonified cli-orges are ya?
[03:50] <fatbrain> and your take on it?
[03:50] <Razor-X> it's nice if you like the GUI, I guess
[03:50] <apokryphos> CLI is great; not good for viewing images.
[03:50] <Razor-X> to me, words and phrases come more intuitively, so I prefer CLI
[03:50] <Razor-X> yes, I use GUI for a few things
[03:50] <jhufnage> sometimes cli  is the fastest way to get things done
[03:50] <fatbrain> they both have their uses
[03:51] <apokryphos> Precisely.
[03:51] <Razor-X> PDF Viewing, DVI Viewing, Image Viewing, and Tux Racer :)
[03:51] <fatbrain> I don't prefer one over the other
[03:51] <apokryphos> Ignoring either one altogether on Linux atm is a little silly
[03:51] <fatbrain> Tux Racer... what the hell is that?
[03:52] <Razor-X> it's a kickass game :)
[03:52] <fatbrain> omg, super-crap on telly and I don't have the remote close at hand...
[03:52] <fatbrain> this will be the end of me
[03:53] <fatbrain> ffs, bbiab
[03:53] <Razor-X> Face Feminization Surgery?
[03:53] <Razor-X> *looks quizically at fatbrain*
[03:54] <fatbrain> yeah, something like that... the pg-13 version anyway
[03:54] <Razor-X> meh
[03:54] <Razor-X> what does feminizing your face have to do with PG-13?
[03:54] <fatbrain> not much
[03:56] <fatbrain> I should have said "more pg-13"
[03:56] <Razor-X> so, you need to shave, or something?
[03:57] <Razor-X> or for some odd reason angularize the build of your face slightly....? XD
[03:58] <fatbrain> Razor-X: for f**** sake
[03:58] <fatbrain> I was cursing at mi telly
[03:58] <fatbrain> I had to get up walk to it and change the channel... that took me like 15seconds
[03:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Is that the so-called "effort" I heard so much about?
[04:00] <fatbrain> yeah, it is
[04:00] <fatbrain> I'm trying to build the Krusader, but I lack some requirement libs
[04:01] <apokryphos> fatbrain: it's in the repositories
[04:01] <apokryphos> !info krusader
[04:01] <ubotu> krusader: (File Manager for KDE), section universe/utils, is optional. Version: 1.51-1 (hoary), Packaged size: 1671 kB, Installed size: 4464 kB
[04:03] <fatbrain> apokryphos: yeah, I noticed, but I don't want the 1.51-1 version I want the 1.60
[04:03] <apokryphos> ok
[04:04] <fatbrain> too bad they don't update the repo straight away
[04:04] <apokryphos> fatbrain: what libs are you missing?
[04:04] <fatbrain> qt-mt, but I think I have it sorted now
[04:04] <fatbrain> I'll soon find out if it works
[04:05] <fatbrain> I'm running this shite of my laptop, so everything is running in slowmo
[04:05] <apokryphos> you need the libqt3-mt-dev or something
[04:05] <apokryphos> for Qt includes
[04:06] <fatbrain> yes
[04:06] <fatbrain> and I need KDE headers...
[04:06] <fatbrain> kdebase-dev?
[04:07] <apokryphos> kde-devel
[04:07] <fatbrain> aha
[04:08] <fatbrain> moving on to something completely different: in Konqueor, how do I enable javascript debugging for KHTML?
[04:09] <fatbrain> or is there some konqueor dedicated channel on freenode+
[04:09] <fatbrain> ?
[04:10] <apokryphos> There is #kde but it's always a good idea to look through Configure Konqueror first :)
[04:11] <fatbrain> hm, I've been browsing the settings...
[04:11] <fatbrain> Ill check again
[04:11] <apokryphos> javascript section -> enable debugger
[04:12] <apokryphos> may want "report errors" on too
[04:12] <fatbrain> sweetness
[04:12] <fatbrain> how did I miss that
[04:15] <fatbrain> hm... more errors
[04:15] <Will__> javascript errors all the time
[04:16] <fatbrain> na, the Krusader build
[04:16] <apokryphos> fatbrain: no use mentioning there's errors without telling us them :)
[04:16] <Will__> I wasn't talking to YOU
[04:16] <Will__> <-was
[04:17] <fatbrain> well, when I run make I get a "cd . && aclocal-1.9 command not found" error
[04:17] <fatbrain> Will__: ofcourse you were :P
[04:17] <fatbrain> of course*
[04:25] <hater2win> mlaaah
[04:25] <hater2win> just got off the PS2 after playing like 7 hours of madden
[04:27] <fatbrain> madden... what's that?
[04:27] <fatbrain> hockey?
[04:32] <hater2win> lol
[04:32] <hater2win> football
[04:34] <apokryphos> fatbrain: did you export the QTDIR and KDEDIR variables? Seems to use those, even though the latter is obsolete
[04:35] <fatbrain> no, I don't know what to set them to
[04:36] <apokryphos> KDEDIR is $(kde-config --prefix) which is /usr in Kubuntu. QTDIR is /usr/lib/qt3
[04:37] <fatbrain> ok, I'll try that, thanks
[04:38] <fatbrain> do I set them by using "set KDEDIR=/bleh/" ??
[04:38] <apokryphos> no, just do export KDEDIR=/usr && export QTDIR /usr/lib/qt3
[04:38] <apokryphos> then just configure --prefix=/usr
[04:40] <apokryphos> new krusader looks just as bad :P
[04:42] <apokryphos> 'night everyone :)
[04:42] <hater2win> lol
[04:43] <hater2win> check this out
[04:43] <hater2win> its awesome
[04:43] <hater2win> my very first pop up in Linux
[04:43] <hater2win> and look what it is
[04:43] <hater2win> http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6403/snapshot63cl.png
[04:45] <fatbrain> apokryphos: '/usr/lib/qt3': not a valid identifier <-- got this error message when I ran the cmd line
[04:46] <hater2win> fatbrain, what problem are you having?
[04:47] <fatbrain> ah, nevermind, I think I found out whats wrong
[04:47] <fatbrain> missing = between QTDIR and /usr/lib/qt4
[04:47] <fatbrain> 3
[04:48] <moshe> hello
[04:48] <moshe> does anyone here have dvdrip installed?
[04:48] <fatbrain> dvdrip?
[04:48] <fatbrain> what's that?
[04:50] <moshe> it's a perl-gtk1 frontend to transcode that's muy useful
[04:50] <moshe> and I can't seem to get it installed because I don't have transcode in any of the depositories in my apt sources.list
[04:51] <moshe> and I can't figure out how to get past this, no matter how much I google.
[04:51] <moshe> all I find are people coming up with some really sloppy solutions that I don't want to use or I'll have problems when it's time to upgrade.
[04:52] <moshe> so far, in the 6 weeks or so of running kubuntu, this is the only thing that bugs me.
[05:04] <Tribune> hi... kan i use sudo app-get install koffice using terminal?
[05:06] <milksteak> yes
[05:06] <milksteak> should be able too
[05:06] <milksteak> well
[05:06] <milksteak> apt-get
[05:06] <Tribune> i'll try now
[05:06] <milksteak> and moshe, I've got dvdrip and transcode installed
[05:07] <milksteak> could give you my sources.list
[05:07] <moshe> please do
[05:07] <milksteak> hold a sec
[05:08] <milksteak> it's pretty much just the one that's on ubuntuguide.org
[05:08] <milksteak> with one for Wine
[05:08] <moshe> I copied mine straight from the ubuntu guide
[05:08] <milksteak> same
[05:08] <milksteak> did apt-get update?
[05:08] <moshe> do I need backports and marillat enabled together?
[05:08] <moshe> yes, I did
[05:09] <moshe> I apt-get update practically every day just to make sure everything is up to date.
[05:09] <milksteak> marillat?
[05:09] <milksteak> bleh
[05:09] <milksteak> I dunno
[05:09] <moshe> how do you want to send me your list?
[05:09] <milksteak> uh
[05:09] <milksteak> I'll dcc it
[05:09] <milksteak> hold on
[05:09] <moshe> ok
[05:10] <moshe> does anyone know how to get gtk1 apps to use smaller fonts?
[05:14] <moshe> brb
[05:17] <superx10> anyone have an idea what an appropriate glxgears framerate would be for a GeForce FX 5200?
[05:21] <hater2win> is there a way to move only the contents of a folder, not the folder itself?
[05:21] <hater2win> like lets say i have a folder with 12 pictures in it and i want to move only the pictures somewhere else
[05:22] <superx10> well if the folder isnt protected, couldnt you just copy and paste them?
[05:23] <hater2win> well
[05:23] <hater2win> the folder i have the stuff in
[05:23] <hater2win> isnt protect
[05:23] <hater2win> the folder i want to copy to
[05:23] <hater2win> is
[05:26] <moshe> milksteak, you da man
[05:26] <moshe> I don't know what the problem was.  I thought I had tried this with backports before, but now it works.
[05:30] <superx10> actually hater2win, what would happen if you opened up a console, typed
[05:30] <superx10> sudo konqueror
[05:30] <superx10> and then copied and pasted
[05:31] <superx10> cause then konqueror would have root... stuff.. you know?
[05:58] <luminerd> Where are the files for KDE Splash files for Kubuntu?
[06:10] <hater2win> supernix: oooooooh
[06:11] <luminerd> no one around, huh?
[06:11] <hater2win> buhh
[06:11] <hater2win> go here
[06:11] <hater2win> kde-look.org
[06:11] <hater2win> and look under splash screens
[06:11] <hater2win> you're bound to find it somewhere
[06:13] <luminerd> hater2win: I'm there...It varies by distro though.
[06:14] <hater2win> luminerd: chances are if you find a .deb package you might be able to check its install path
[06:15] <luminerd> hater2win: uhh...I don't do .deb's. lol
[06:23] <hater2win> lol, well that sucks...
[06:24] <luminerd> hater2win: or anyone else: do you know what that thing is that happens when you mouse over the K button and can you get rid of it?  It's that thing that says: "K Menu: Click here to browse and start applications"
[06:25] <hater2win> uhhh
[06:25] <seth_k> yep
[06:25] <seth_k> right click panel > configure
[06:25] <hater2win> you have to disable tool tips
[06:25] <seth_k> appearance tab
[06:25] <hater2win> in the config panel
[06:25] <seth_k> uncheck Enable icon mouseover effects
[06:26] <luminerd> thanks!!!
[06:26] <luminerd> do you guys know how to change my K-Menu's icon?
[06:26] <seth_k> sure
[06:27] <luminerd> willing to tell me?
[06:27] <luminerd> lol
[06:27] <seth_k> typing :P
[06:27] <seth_k>  /usr/share/icons/<theme>/apps/48x48/kmenu.png
[06:27] <seth_k> replace 48x48 with the icon size you want to change
[06:27] <seth_k> and <theme> with the theme you're using
[06:27] <luminerd> ah, ok, thought you were just saying "sure I know"
[06:27] <luminerd> lol
[06:28] <seth_k> oops, and swap "apps" and "48x48"
[06:28] <seth_k> so it's 48x48/apps/
[06:28] <luminerd> thanks
[06:28] <luminerd> :D
[06:28] <luminerd> seth_k: hmmm
[06:28] <luminerd> my theme's not there
[06:29] <seth_k> check ~/.icons then
[06:29] <luminerd> seth_k: doesn't exist
[06:29] <seth_k> double hmmm
[06:29] <seth_k> :P
[06:29] <seth_k> ~/.kde/share/icons ?
[06:30] <luminerd> seth_k: that's it :D
[06:30] <luminerd> so it uses the 48x48 one for the k menu?
[06:30] <seth_k> luminerd, it depends on what your panel size is set at
[06:30] <seth_k> but usually 48x48
[06:31] <luminerd> I see
[06:31] <luminerd> ok
[06:31] <luminerd> thanks
[06:31] <luminerd> seth_k: does gimp have a pakcage
[06:31] <luminerd> ?
[06:31] <seth_k> or maybe Kubuntu default is 32x32? change them all :P
[06:31] <seth_k> !info gimp
[06:31] <luminerd> like apt-get or w/e?
[06:31] <luminerd> heh ok
[06:31] <ubotu> gimp: (The GNU Image Manipulation Program), section graphics, is optional. Version: 2.2.8-1ubuntu1~5.04ubp1 (hoary), Packaged size: 2912 kB, Installed size: 7888 kB
[06:31] <luminerd> cool
[06:31] <luminerd> thanks
[06:32] <luminerd> dang this install will take ages on this speed
[06:33] <hater2win> luminerd: sudo apt-get install gimp
[06:33] <hater2win> thats all i did
[06:36] <luminerd> seth_k: if I put a image that is bigger than 48 wide will there be issues?
[06:36] <luminerd> I'd like to make a wide image
[06:36] <seth_k> luminerd, for the K menu it should resize automagically, but i've never tried with a non-square image
[06:36] <seth_k> just make sure and cp kmenu.png kmenu.png.bak
[06:36] <seth_k> :P
[06:37] <luminerd> seth_k: eh, ok
[06:37] <hater2win> does anybody know how to make icon themes?
[06:37] <hater2win> like, if i created icons
[06:38] <hater2win> how would i make them into a theme?
[06:38] <hater2win> or not make them into a theme
[06:38] <hater2win> but use them to make a theme
[06:38] <seth_k> look at the index.theme file of any theme
[06:38] <seth_k> you'll see how they're structured
[06:38] <seth_k> basically it's all in the filesystem structure
[06:38] <seth_k> and then a bit of index.theme magic
[06:39] <hater2win> hmm
[06:39] <hater2win> interesting
[06:40] <luminerd> Is there a way to make the buttons on the taskbar bigger?  as it is there are three per column, I'd rather have two per column and have them larger...they are so thin.
[06:40] <luminerd> Is there a way to make the buttons on the taskbar bigger?  as it is there are three per column, I'd rather have two per column and have them larger...they are so thin.
[06:40] <luminerd> oops
[06:40] <luminerd> sorry
[06:40] <hater2win> heh
[06:47] <luminerd> so?
[06:47] <luminerd> nobody knows? :(
[06:47] <hater2win> oh
[06:47] <hater2win> uhh
[06:47] <hater2win> you mean like
[06:48] <hater2win> oh
[06:48] <hater2win> hmm
[06:48] <hater2win> no
[06:48] <hater2win> let me check
[06:49] <luminerd> heh
[06:49] <luminerd> ok
[06:49] <luminerd> thank you
[06:50] <luminerd> !info xchat
[06:50] <ubotu> xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1ubuntu5 (hoary), Packaged size: 248 kB, Installed size: 672 kB
[06:51] <hater2win> hmm
[06:51] <hater2win> im not finding anything
[06:51] <hater2win> im sure it can be done though
[06:52] <luminerd> ok
[06:52] <luminerd> I'll ask when more people are here
[06:53] <luminerd> I have used KDE with a lot of different distros, and I've never seen the buttons so small as with kubuntu.  I can barely read the text, and worse, OLD PEOPLE will be using these pcs!
[06:53] <luminerd> lol
[06:53] <hater2win> lol
[06:53] <hater2win> well
[06:53] <hater2win> if you go to tthe control center
[06:53] <hater2win> and then hit
[06:54] <hater2win> "Look and feel"
[06:54] <hater2win> hit font
[06:54] <hater2win> and then
[06:54] <hater2win> it will give you an option to increase the size of the Taskbar font
[06:54] <sirukin> old people need to buy some fucking glasses then.
[06:54] <hater2win> even change the entire font
[06:54] <hater2win> that might change the size of each button as well
[06:54] <luminerd> sirukin: consider yourself ignored, you ageist animal.
[06:55] <sirukin> good.
[06:55] <luminerd> thanks hater2win where is this in the control center?
[06:55] <hater2win> Appearance & Themes > Fonts > Taskbar Font
[06:57] <arcanistherogue> hey guys, how do i make it so that icons on the desktop and in konqueror need to be double clicked?
[06:58] <luminerd> Haha, that was my next question arcanistherogue 
[06:58] <luminerd> Yes I'd like to know as well
[06:58] <hater2win> lol
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> :D
[06:58] <hater2win> let me check on that
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> well i just reformatted
[06:58] <arcanistherogue> and i forgot how O_o
[06:58] <hater2win> did that solution work for you luminerd ???
[06:59] <luminerd> hater2win, to which what?
[06:59] <hater2win> taskbar font
[06:59] <luminerd> hater2win, oh, whereabouts is it?  Can't find ti
[06:59] <luminerd> it, even
[06:59] <hater2win> Hit the "start" button
[06:59] <hater2win> then go to Control Center
[07:00] <hater2win> then click Appearance and Themes
[07:00] <hater2win> then Fonts
[07:00] <hater2win> and you can see where it has the option to change the taskbar font
[07:00] <oneman> howdy
[07:00] <luminerd> hater2win, oh, appearance and themes
[07:00] <luminerd> thanks
[07:00] <oneman> i got a fresh install, if I want all the dev stuff so i can compile things, what do i need to apt-get ?
[07:01] <luminerd> hater2win, oh wow...made the font huge and now the font overlaps the other buttons >_<
[07:01] <luminerd> the buttons are still small though
[07:01] <hater2win> luminerd: lol, that sucks, i had a feeling that might happen too =/
[07:02] <luminerd> dang
[07:02] <luminerd> kde's kinda buggy for the most popular wm
[07:02] <luminerd> lol
[07:02] <arcanistherogue> i thought gnome was
[07:02] <arcanistherogue> and i love KDE
[07:02] <arcanistherogue> :D
[07:03] <luminerd> I just don't like them
[07:03] <luminerd> they are too...err, windowsy
[07:04] <luminerd> I don't like the idea of a taskbar
[07:04] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: i found your way to change the way things open
[07:04] <luminerd> I like utilizing my pageflipping and virtual desktops
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> sweet!
[07:04] <arcanistherogue> how now brown cow?
[07:05] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: Go the the "Start Meny" then go to control center. Open up the PERIPHERALS menu and then click MOUSE. When you do that, where it says "Icons" a little but down, change it to "Double-click to open files/folders"
[07:05] <hater2win> menu*
[07:05] <hater2win> lol
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> :D thanks alot dude!
[07:06] <luminerd> w00t!!!
[07:06] <luminerd> yes thanks
[07:06] <hater2win> np np
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> its like christmas in july.
[07:06] <hater2win> lol
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> and what was that command to enable root, and set a root password?
[07:06] <arcanistherogue> wasnt it like sudo passwd root?
[07:07] <luminerd> wtc
[07:07] <hater2win> yes
[07:07] <luminerd> my little rollover came back
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> yeah, it works :D
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> hey dude, i have a question with firefos
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> I have installed 1.0.6 many times
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> but whenever i close the firefox windows
[07:07] <arcanistherogue> *window
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> then i open a new one via KMenu>Internet>Firefox
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> it is 1.0.2, the one that comes with the base ubuntu instal..
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> whats up with that?
[07:08] <hater2win> when you install firefox manually, it doesnt go into the window by itself
[07:08] <hater2win> basically
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> oh
[07:08] <hater2win> you have 2 installations of it on your computer
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> oh poo
[07:08] <arcanistherogue> how do i replace the kmenu one
[07:08] <luminerd> how do you get rid of that horrible thing that shows up when you mouse over the K menu again?
[07:09] <arcanistherogue> ITS NOT HORRIBLE O_O
[07:09] <arcanistherogue> its bueatiful :D
[07:09] <arcanistherogue> its all scrolly... and kdey....
[07:09] <luminerd> O_o
[07:09] <arcanistherogue> >_>
[07:09] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[07:09] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: is you know where you installed it to you can right click on the current firefox icon you have and hit "EDit ITem" and change the path to firefox
[07:10] <hater2win> luminerd: earlier, that guy told you wrong i think
[07:10] <hater2win> who was it?
[07:10] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:10] <hater2win> steh
[07:10] <hater2win> seth
[07:10] <luminerd> hater2win, dont remember, sorry, don't have my queue since I switched clients
[07:10] <arcanistherogue> work path?
[07:10] <hater2win> luminerd: right click on the task bar and hit CONFIGURE PANEL
[07:11] <hater2win> go to the APPEARANCE tab
[07:11] <luminerd> oh yea!
[07:11] <luminerd> lol
[07:11] <luminerd> thanks
[07:11] <hater2win> and uncheck "Enable Icon" and "Show Toolstips"
[07:11] <luminerd> I wonder how that got reenabled
[07:11] <luminerd> what are tooltips?
[07:11] <hater2win> those things you hate =)
[07:11] <luminerd> ah
[07:11] <hater2win> arcanistherogue: no not work path
[07:12] <hater2win> where it says "Command"
[07:12] <arcanistherogue> eh....i went to the one in kmenu, right clicked > edit item... 
[07:12] <hater2win> if there is anything in work path, delete it
[07:12] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> oh yeah, and how do i get it to play mp3s again?
[07:14] <arcanistherogue> apt get install win32codecs?
[07:15] <hater2win> !info win32codecs
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> i think i got it, w32codecs
[07:15] <arcanistherogue> k
[07:15] <hater2win> !info w32codecs
[07:15] <ubotu> w32codecs: (win32 binary codecs), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1:20050216-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 12869 kB, Installed size: 31008 kB
[07:15] <luminerd> bleh
[07:16] <arcanistherogue> hmmm... what do you guys think the best P2P client is for linux/ubuntu?   I use LimeWire, but are there better ones?
[07:16] <hater2win> *shrug* i just use torrents for everything
[07:16] <arcanistherogue> meh.
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> to each man his own.
[07:17] <hater2win> indeed indeed
[07:17] <hater2win> http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/5549/snapshot58up.png
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> fuck....i dont think this has mp3 codecs, it keeps jumping through my playlists until it hits the end...
[07:17] <arcanistherogue> :D
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> aw
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> that little tux
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> is cute as hell
[07:18] <hater2win> lol yeah
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> hes just a cute little bugger.
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> i made a glossy tux avatar like that
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> like that gentoo tux
[07:18] <hater2win> heh yeah
[07:18] <arcanistherogue> do you have a link to that wallpaper?
[07:19] <hater2win> let me find it
[07:20] <hater2win> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21501
[07:21] <arcanistherogue> nice.
[07:21] <fatbrain> what gtk theme should I use?
[07:25] <hater2win> fatbrain: *shrug*
[07:25] <hater2win> kde-looks.org
[07:25] <hater2win> err
[07:25] <hater2win> http://www.kde-look.org
[07:26] <fatbrain> if I have some package installed that have unmet dependencies, any way to fix that?
[07:26] <seth_k|away> install the deps?
[07:27] <fatbrain> how?
[07:28] <hater2win> which ones are missing?
[07:29] <fatbrain> libc6
[07:29] <fatbrain> among other
[07:29] <fatbrain> s
[07:29] <hater2win> how many others?
[07:30] <hater2win> !info libc6
[07:30] <ubotu> libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13 (hoary), Packaged size: 4708 kB, Installed size: 15416 kB
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[07:30] <hater2win> try sudo apt-get install libc6
[07:31] <fatbrain> doesn't work, , that's when I get the error message
[07:33] <hater2win> hmm
[07:33] <fatbrain> I'll just remove the package with the unmet dependencies
[07:33] <luminerd> gtg bye thanks for all help
[07:35] <fatbrain> kde-look should update their internet-connection, alteast so it's beyond 56k. The website is slow as hell now
[07:35] <hater2win> works fine for me...
[07:36] <fatbrain> it's not superslow?
[07:37] <hater2win> no..
[07:37] <fatbrain> how gay
[07:37] <fatbrain> kde-look has always been slow for me
[07:38] <fatbrain> and I don't know why
[07:38] <c0rrupt_> oohk .. anyone alive
[07:38] <c0rrupt_> can someone name a good ftp server
[07:41] <thoreauputic> c0rrupt_: pure-ftpd is simple and seems to work well
[07:41] <pax> apt-cache search ftp server
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> just installed wu-ftp
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> ;\
[07:42] <pax> good choice.
[07:42] <c0rrupt_> :-D
[07:43] <thoreauputic> pure-ftp also has a GUI administration front end called pureadmin
[07:44] <pax> what ver you installed?
[07:44] <c0rrupt_> gona root me?
[07:44] <thoreauputic> pax: was that for c0rrupt_ 
[07:44] <pax> yes thoreauputic, no c0rrupt_ 
[07:45] <thoreauputic> c0rrupt_: yeah we are all black hats in here *grin* 
[07:45] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[07:45] <c0rrupt_> the latest..
[07:45] <c0rrupt_> i hope
[07:45] <c0rrupt_> ;x
[07:46] <pax> yeah check http://www.wu-ftpd.org/ to make sure you're up-to-date
[07:52] <hater2win> ok, what exactly is the kicker
[07:52] <hater2win> is it the "system tray" kind of thing
[07:52] <hater2win> or wtf
[07:53] <hater2win> i hear people talk about it likes its magic or something and i wanna know wtf its alla bout
[07:53] <c0rrupt_> all of it
[07:53] <c0rrupt_> it is magic
[07:53] <c0rrupt_> linux is magic
[07:53] <hater2win> so
[07:53] <hater2win> its the taskbar then?
[07:53] <hater2win> thats what the kicker is
[07:53] <c0rrupt_> yea
[07:54] <coolblue> hi how do i rstore home settings?
[07:55] <coolblue> hi how do i restore home settings?
[07:55] <hater2win> RTFM!
[07:55] <hater2win> lol
[07:55] <hater2win> kidding
[07:55] <hater2win> kidding
[07:55] <hater2win> coolblue: what do you mean restore?
[07:57] <coolblue> i mean while reinstalling kubuntu, i made a backup of home, reinstalled kubuntu, formatted home, now i want my firefox & konq data to come back, is this possible?
[07:58] <coolblue> yes???
[07:58] <ms12> how did youb back up
[07:58] <hater2win> yeh, how did you back it up
[07:58] <coolblue> i copied entire home to a seperate part..
[07:58] <coolblue> partition
[07:59] <coolblue> yes??
[07:59] <ms12> mm it might
[07:59] <ms12> depends if you copied all hidden files?
[07:59] <coolblue> yes i can see ALL hidden files there.
[07:59] <coolblue> its possible:)
[07:59] <ms12> use the same user name
[07:59] <coolblue> same
[07:59] <ms12> with same permissions
[07:59] <ms12> and it will work
[07:59] <coolblue> ??
[08:00] <coolblue> same permissions?? how do i set that?
[08:00] <hater2win> same user with same permissions
[08:00] <hater2win> read/right/executre
[08:00] <hater2win> did you ever change them?
[08:00] <ms12> if you used the default then you are safe
[08:00] <coolblue> nope...i dont think..i just created my own user as i always do....
[08:00] <coolblue> same username everytime
[08:00] <hater2win> oh, then yeah should be a easy copy over
[08:01] <coolblue> no other users
[08:01] <hater2win> drag/drop? lol
[08:01] <coolblue> should i overwrite?
[08:01] <ms12> i do not know though if you should do that while you are the same user?
[08:01] <coolblue> yeah same user....
[08:02] <ms12> i would recommend you make a new user give him permissions then do the copy
[08:02] <coolblue> ok i'll see.....thanx:)
[08:02] <coolblue> one more thing....i made a new user just now....
[08:02] <ms12> make him adminstrator
[08:02] <ms12> will make your life easier then you can remove him later
[08:03] <coolblue> and when i login with that user...i can see my own files.but when i login as myself i cant see my own files!
[08:05] <hater2win> did you change the permissions for "that" user
[08:05] <coolblue> no....i created him with kuser
[08:06] <coolblue> i mean i created new user...say x..i login as x..i can see & write my coolblue files..ok...then i login as coolblue...and i cant even see x"s files!
[08:06] <hussam> Is it currently safe to upgrade to Breezy? is there anything I have to exit like xorg.conf as well?
[08:06] <hussam> sorry I meant edit*
[08:07] <coolblue> anyone used kubuntu dvd here???????/
[08:07] <coolblue> i don't think u need to edit xorg.conf hussam
[08:08] <hussam> but it is currently safe to upgrade? how stable is breezy now?
[08:08] <ms12> hussam log in to ubuntu room
[08:08] <hussam> ok
[08:08] <ms12> it say there do not use breezy yet
[08:08] <ms12> last time i heared x is still broken
[08:09] <hussam> is it still broken?
[08:13] <ms12> hussam do not rush to upgrades wait till it is tested and proven stable
[08:15] <hussam> ms12: I'm trying to think ahead. October will not be a good time for me to upgrade. I'll wait till the end of this month and upgrade.
[08:15] <hussam> should be stable by the end of this month I presume.
[08:15] <ms12> you can always upgrade hussam do not risk a good operating sys till it is tested
[08:16] <TN> hello, how can I find my UID and GID?
[08:17] <bigGrim> hi... can install kubuntu from the livecd after first testing with my system?
[08:17] <hussam> ms12: the thing is that I have a slow connection and when College starts in October, I won't have time to upgrade. September would be really better for me. If I don't get that over in September, I'll have to put off the upgrade till January.
[08:19] <hater2win> bigGrim: you can't install from the live cd. need the install cd
[08:19] <ms12> i see your point then good luck then my friend
[08:24] <hussam> ms12: I wish the Brezzy Kubuntu DVD would available for download from ftp. It would really help me if they did that.
[08:25] <ms12> hussam when you install breezy just add the repos
[08:25] <ms12> and then type sudo aptitude update
[08:26] <ms12> and sudo aptitude upgrade-dist i thinki
[08:26] <ms12> i have to look it up
[08:27] <ms12> sudo dist-upgrade
[08:27] <ms12> you do not need to download the whole dvd
[08:27] <gnunewbie> hi I have fonts resizing themselves in k start button menu, tips randomly starting and not starting upon load of konsole, settings not saving on reboot, and /dev symlink to modem not saved after reboot, what should I do
[08:30] <gnunewbie> is this a kubuntu help channel?
[08:31] <ms12> gnunewbie you post your question if some one can help they will my friend
[08:31] <ms12> otherwise just assume no one know
[08:31] <ms12> try the wiki it might be a bug and you might find a solution there
[08:31] <gnunewbie> okie
[08:31] <gnunewbie> thank you
[08:37] <EvanCarroll> I just upgraded to breezy and took notice to the fact that glxgears is missing
[08:37] <hater2win> gixgears?
[08:37] <EvanCarroll> are they in another pkg? i need glxinfo
[08:38] <hater2win> !info gixgears
[08:38] <hater2win> err
[08:39] <EvanCarroll> gLxgears
[08:39] <EvanCarroll> !info glxgears
[08:39] <hater2win> !info gl_xgears
[08:39] <hater2win> LOL
[08:39] <EvanCarroll> hrm stupid infobot
[08:39] <hater2win> man... im sleepy
[08:39] <EvanCarroll> it usually comes with X
[08:39] <EvanCarroll> /x11r6/bin
[08:50] <lindsay> hello does anyone know any repositories for extra packages?
[08:50] <milksteak> ubuntuguide.org has a good list
[08:51] <lindsay> thanks
[10:20] <equex> what do i do if i need to use konqueror as root? when i try, it complains about ksocket_equex is not uid 0 etc..i got tons of files i need to move manually as root.
[10:44] <markc> which .gtkrc files would openoffice2 use to determine the menu font size ?
[10:57] <verwilst> equex: kdesu konqueror?
[11:28] <equex> verwilst: oh right, coulda done that i suppose. i ended up just chmodding the stuff anyway
[11:28] <verwilst> :p
[11:33] <seaLne> anyone use kdevelop?
[11:34] <seaLne> in breezy it dosen't give me a list of licenses to choose from
[12:10] <n> Anybody here got a USB scanner working under kubuntu?
[12:13] <hussam> Riddell: Will a preview release of Kubuntu-Breezy be released in September or is that only for Ubuntu-Breezy?
[12:20] <hettar> is breezy usable yet  ?
[12:22] <hussam> hettar: I'm being told it won't be stable at least enough till the end of this month,
[12:23] <hettar> hmmm
[12:23] <hettar> thanks
[12:23] <PieD> hettar: you can install breezy
[12:23] <PieD> I installed it in qemu a few days ago
[12:23] <PieD> the problems I saw :
[12:23] <PieD> 1- KDE can't be started from kdm
[12:24] <PieD> 2- the Ctrl-Alt-F* shortcuts won't work
[12:25] <hettar> I'll wait a bit longer before trying it. I don't really feel like stuffing around getting things to work
[12:25] <hussam> PieD: how did you obtain breezy? link
[12:25] <Raptoid> selamlar..
[12:25] <PieD> I downloaded a "daily build"
[12:25] <hussam> PieD: from where?
[12:26] <PieD> please wait !
[12:26] <PieD> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[12:27] <hussam> PieD: is that a ubuntu or kubuntu cd?
[12:28] <PieD> look at the URL : kubuntu
[12:28] <hussam> oh sorry, my bad
[12:30] <hussam> it says not all packages are installable http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/report.html
[12:31] <PieD> yes
[12:31] <PieD> two days ago, there were less problematic packages
[12:32] <hussam> When breezy is out, can I download the cd, add the cdrom as apt source, and upgrade?
[12:32] <PieD> that's stupid
[12:32] <PieD> add the servers as apt sources
[12:32] <PieD> that'll be faster !
[12:35] <nikkia> pied, the ctrl-alt-F? thing is a configurable option in all of the *dm login managers, it used to be the default, but somewhere along the line everyone started allowing console logins
[12:36] <nikkia> perhaps because, the reason i remember that, is if you were trying to get xdm working back in the early days, and messed up, it was a royal PITA to fix it :)
[12:36] <PieD> nikkia: that didn't work any longer in my breezy :/ but there is nothing related to the dm !
[12:36] <PieD> when I launched X without dm, ctrl-alt-F? didn't work too
[12:36] <nikkia> i have a vague recollection of having a PAM problem with gdm stuffing me up for the same reason - couldn't c-a-f1 to a console, and couldn't c-a-backspace to kill X :)
[12:37] <PieD> I could do c-a-back
[12:37] <nikkia> pied, hmm, it might be disabled in X then, there's an option in there to disable it too
[12:37] <PieD> don't worry, it was only in qemu :)
[12:38] <nikkia> does ctrl-alt-F? work in qemu normally?
[12:38] <PieD> yes
[12:38] <PieD> using the sendkey qemu command
[12:38] <nikkia> ok, just wondering - never used it for running linux (only OSX :)
[12:39] <PieD> OS X works in qemu yet ?
[12:39] <nikkia> yeah, sort of
[12:39] <nikkia> not as well as pearpc tho
[12:40] <nikkia> the 'virtualised' qemu is actually a special case of qemu, normally qemu *emulates* cpus, and it does a whole handful, including PPC
[12:40] <PieD> nikkia: I know that
[12:41] <PieD> but on the qemu website, OS X is mentionned as not working
[12:41] <nikkia> pied, it works, vaguely, its not enough to work well yet
[12:41] <PieD> ok
[12:41] <nikkia> pied, mostly graphic card stuff, iirc
[12:41] <PieD> their graphic card emulation isn't perfect :/
[12:41] <nikkia> as i said, pearpc works better for OSX
[12:41] <PieD> it'd be fine from it to support 3D
[12:41] <nikkia> but pearpc is specialised, so i'd sort of expect that
[12:42] <PieD> qemu with kqemu is "specialized" too :)
[12:44] <nikkia> ah, i see why i think they said its not supported...
[12:44] <nikkia> it says there is an error in the cdrom detection
[12:44] <nikkia> i used a pre-installed HD image, so thats probably why i had it 'working'
[12:45] <PieD> ok
[12:52] <_flo> hi all
[12:53] <PieD> hi
[12:53] <_flo> there was a config file where one could set if the kdesu (kcmshell?) shall use sudo or su. Can someone pls tell me which one it was (yes I WANT su ;)...
[12:55] <zakili> hi to all ...
[12:55] <hussam> _flo: I'm looking for this as well
[12:55] <zakili> is there anybody  with sony vaio ??
[12:55] <zakili> is there anybody with sony vaio ??
[12:56] <PieD> not me
[12:56] <PieD> not me
[12:57] <_flo> hussam: someone allready told me... but I forgot it :(. When I got it I'll remeber to tell ya...
[12:57] <hussam> _flo: thanks, I'd appreciate that
[01:05] <hussam> _flo: is it something under /etc/kde3 ?
[01:05] <_flo> hussam: dunno. thought it was somewhere in ~/.kde
[01:07] <hussam> _flo: Oh, I was looking for a system wide config
[01:08] <linkin> hello
[01:08] <linkin> I've the following problem with ubuntu
[01:08] <linkin> kubuntu... sorry
[01:08] <linkin> after: apt-get install azureus he tells me that the following packages are damaged:
[01:09] <linkin> it's can't be installed
[01:09] <linkin> libcommons-cli-java
[01:09] <linkin> and: libswt-gtk-3.1-java
[01:09] <_buz> theres azureus in the repositories?
[01:09] <_buz> ?
[01:10] <linkin> yes
[01:10] <linkin> ^^
[01:10] <linkin> but you need java first
[01:10] <linkin> (sun-j2re1.5)
[01:10] <_buz> best to get it from java.sun.com and install it by hand
[01:10] <_buz> then use azureus.tar from the azureus site
[01:11] <_buz> also i cant find azureus in synaptic ;)
[01:13] <hussam> _flo: I'll ask in the forums
[01:14] <_flo> _buz: Is there no java packager in kubuntu (like in debian)? I would prefer that...
[01:14] <_buz> there isnt
[01:14] <linkin> _buz: there is an package called: azureus
[01:14] <_buz> i cant find it here
[01:14] <_buz> and i have universe and multiverse active
[01:16] <linkin> I've installed: java version "1.5.0_04"
[01:16] <linkin> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.5.0_04-b05)
[01:16] <linkin> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.5.0_04-b05, mixed mode, sharing)
[01:17] <linkin> i think it's installed correctly
[01:19] <linkin> is there any commandline, to install the package from apt-get anyway?
[01:20] <linkin> (with or not with errors?)
[01:23] <_flo> _buz: There is at least a package called "java-package" in multiverse :D. I would prefer using that instead conterminating my fine kubuntu system with tarballs. ;)
[01:24] <linkin> I've installed it...
[01:25] <linkin> (only 16kbs... :P)
[01:25] <linkin> but i will get the same message
[01:25] <linkin> (with tryn: apt-get install azureus)
[01:25] <seaLne> java-package is for creating packages of java
[01:26] <_flo> seaLne: right.. nobody told something else
[01:28] <seaLne> you do make-jpkg <jdk-installer-you-downloaded>
[01:29] <_flo> seaLne: You told me? Thx, dude, but I allready know. Better tell me how to convince kdesu to use su instead of sudo :P.
[01:34] <linkin> he...
[01:34] <linkin> it works :P
[01:58] <znh>  hmm.. when I am starting a program, a blinking icon of the starting program blinks near my cursor - How to remove this?
[01:58] <_buz> is there any good utility to make screen capture flash movies?
[01:58] <znh> _buz, have you tried The Gimp?
[02:00] <_buz> since when does that do something like that
[02:00] <_buz> i mean a movie of whats happening on my screen
[02:00] <znh> Hmm yes
[02:00] <znh> hm don't know
[02:00] <_buz> there must be
[02:00] <_buz> ive seen such movies ;)
[02:01] <_buz> mhh maybe i could somehow dump a vnc stream ;)
[02:01] <hussam> _flo: did you find anything out regarding kdesu?
[02:01] <_buz> mhh whats wrong with kdesu
[02:01] <_flo> hussam: no not really...
[02:02] <hussam> _buz: we're looking for a way to make it use su instead of sudo
[02:02] <_flo> _buz: I would like it to use su instead of sudo like in any other distro ;)
[02:02] <_buz> compile the original source yourself ;)
[02:02] <hussam> oh is it hardcoded? I thought it was in some config file
[02:03] <_buz> ah i wouldnt really know
[02:03] <_buz> just talking out of my ass really
[02:03] <_flo> _buz: I know that kdesu is patched in kubuntu for using sudo but u can set it back in some config file... 
[02:03] <equex> how do i disable single click file handling in konqueror
[02:03] <_flo> _buz: somone here told me some time ago but I forgot which one it was..
[02:12] <_buz> kusudo
[02:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey, could somebody help me set up a connection between me and a shared printer on a Windows machine?
[02:37] <Will__> all files will have k in front of them in kubuntu. kand kwhen kwe ktalk kwe kwill ktalk klike kthis
[02:38] <jjesse> Rogue_Jedi_X: did you get your issue solved?
[02:39] <jjesse> is it a network printer on a print server or is it just a shared printer
[02:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just a shared printer and no, it's still giving me lip
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: what Windows?
[02:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> XP
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can either connect to it as a shared Windows printer or share the printer using printing services for UNIX then connect as a UNIX shared printer
[02:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I've been trying to do the first and it sends out the test page okay, but it doesn't print
[02:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> When I look at the Windows machine I see it has a 3,48 MB page queued up, but only received the first 64 kB
[02:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How do I do the latter?
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> add it in using add-remove programs and the add components option
[02:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> "Other Network File and Print Services" <- That it?
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think so
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't use Windows ;)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> only know anything about this because i tried to set my mates up... not sure how we got it to go exactly
[02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me neither, but my whole family does x_x
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> just sort of know how to get it going
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's installing now. I should start praying, huh?
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> not yet :)
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> make your sacrifce first 
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm fresh out of virgins, though
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm...
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> make do with an Ubuntu cd 
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Okay, it installed. Now, how do I share it using INUX printing services?
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *UNIX
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Great. The stress has gone in to my typing skk1llz
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh share it using UNIX IIRC
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope UNIX is what we used not smb :$
[03:00] <arslan> trke bilen yoktur sanrm
[03:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, so far, no good
[03:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: have you installed the printer on the Ubuntu box right?
[03:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I rebooted the windows machine, I'll see if that will help
[03:01] <George`> hello
[03:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hi George
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi George
[03:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, I'm trying to set it up on Kubuntu
[03:01] <George`> im trying to make a dual boot, winXP and kubuntu
[03:02] <George`> and im using partition magic 8 to make a new partition
[03:02] <nikkia> argh! OOS on /home
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> :o 
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` cool ok
[03:02] <George`> should i format to ext2 using partition magic or leave that to the kubuntu installation ?
[03:02] <nikkia> george, i wouldnt trust PM's ext2 format, but thats me
[03:03] <George`> ext2 or ext3?
[03:03] <George> hrmm
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` use kubuntus format
[03:03] <nikkia> i'd use ext3, and let linux itself do it
[03:03] <George> STOP CONFUSING ME
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't use PM
[03:03] <George`> ok
[03:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol George
[03:03] <nikkia> PM probably uses a 10 year old ext2 standard that lacks user attributes and stuff :P
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:04] <George`> so i will just resize a winXP partition to make space for kubuntu 
[03:04] <George`> whats the ideal size for a kubuntu installation ?
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` at least 2GB
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> preferably more
[03:04] <George`> yea 
[03:04] <George`> how much more ?
[03:05] <buz> maybe 5-10GB
[03:05] <George`> cool
[03:05] <buz> mine is about 4GB now
[03:05] <buz> without data of course
[03:05] <George`> hmm
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` my main parittion is 10G, but i have lots of stuff bound in from other hard drives
[03:05] <George`> so i choose ext3 in the installation instead of ext2?
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> if i include everything i nearly have 30GB of data on my home
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh
[03:06] <George`> ok, one more thing
[03:06] <George`> will i be able from kubuntu to see a partition under NTFS ?
[03:06] <George`> its just data
[03:06] <nikkia> George: read-only, yes
[03:07] <George`> hmm..
[03:07] <George`> so i wont be able to change the a txt lets say ?
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` you can also get something to let you *read only* your Linux parition from Windows
[03:07] <George`> how bout copying to the kubuntu data partition, and then manipulating ?
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's oks
[03:08] <George`> thats possible ?
[03:08] <George`> ok cool :D
[03:08] <George`> thnx 
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:14] <George`> hmmmm
[03:14] <George`> more probs
[03:14] <George`> any1
[03:14] <George`> hello ??
[03:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aw screw it, I'll print by hand!
[03:14] <George`> lol
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> George`?
[03:15] <George`> parition magic makes me choose a file system type for the new partition
[03:15] <George`> what i do ?
[03:15] <George`> :S
[03:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If it's for Windows, go NTFS
[03:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> use ext2 and format it from the installer
[03:16] <George`> ok :)
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` remember to leave space for swap
[03:16] <jjesse> do you want to be able to share windows and linux stuff fat32
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> *must have swap*
[03:16] <George`> and where to i install LILO ?
[03:16] <nikkia> lilo? dear god no!
[03:16] <George`> w00t ?
[03:16] <George`> so what ?
[03:16] <nikkia> why do people still insist on using that POS ?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> eek!
[03:16] <seaLne> lilo isn't that bad but you will find grub easier
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` grub is default
[03:16] <George`> grub easuer?
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't change !
[03:16] <nikkia> seaLne: lilo IS that bad
[03:17] <George`> ok ok chill guys ill install grub
[03:17] <seaLne> nikkia: lilo is fine
[03:17] <George`> ok where do i install grub ?
[03:17] <nikkia> seaLne: any boot manager where you can make your system unbootable by installing a new kernel and forgetting ONE step is hideous
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` it does it for you
[03:18] <seaLne> it might prompt you if you want to install it in the mbr which you do
[03:18] <George`> ok can some1 explain me why in linux we have swap and the other two ?
[03:18] <George`> so i install it in mbr?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:18] <George`> k
[03:18] <George`> ok can some1 explain me why in linux we have swap and the other two ?
[03:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> We're l33t that way
[03:18] <nikkia> george 'other two' ?
[03:18] <George`> dont remember their names
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> George` swap is like virtual memory, and ext2 and 3 are filesystems
[03:19] <George`> in the installation u choose 3 partitions
[03:19] <seaLne> windows has swap aswell but it uses a file instead of a partition for it
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser>  like ntfs and fat32 and fat 16 and msdos etc
[03:19] <George`> hmmm
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Windows NT uses a page file
[03:19] <seaLne> same difference
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> there is a difference, but i cant remember exactly
[03:21] <George`> does any of u does c++ under linux ?
[03:23] <nikkia> George: yes
[03:23] <George`> is it better than compilin under winxp ?
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> gcc was written properly ;)
[03:24] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: erm, no, it wasn't, not the first 3 times :P
[03:24] <George`> lol
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:24] <nikkia> well, v3 (egcs) wasn't too bad, but was still limited in a lot of ways
[03:24] <George`> so its better?
[03:25] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: its important to remember that gcc has had 3 'written from scratch' versions
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> *shrug* i don't have first hand experiance. just my mate said it pawned MicroSoft compiler
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nikkia: yeh true
[03:25] <George`> hmmm ok
[03:26] <nikkia> Kamping_Kaiser: 1.x->2.0 was a complete rewrite, then there was the gcc/egcs branch at 2.95, (egcs became 3.x and 'gcc' was ditched), then the 4.x rewrites to allow for better optimisations
[03:26] <George`> my code is written to be compiled under winxp, will i need to change to be compiled under linux?
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[03:26] <nikkia> George: it depends on what your code does
[03:26] <George`> OpenGL
[03:26] <George`> graphics engine
[03:26] <George`> C/C++/OpenGL
[03:27] <nikkia> George: OpenGL stuff will need some minor tweaks, and some support code changed, most likely, nothing really major like a rewrite
[03:27] <George`> im using glut for opengl
[03:28] <nikkia> linux has glut too
[03:28] <George`> by default ?
[03:28] <nikkia> probably not
[03:28] <George`> :(
[03:28] <George`> ok thnx again :D
[03:28] <nikkia> it should be easy enough to install it though
[03:32] <flo> does anyone know where to get k3b 0.12.3 for kubuntu?
[03:32] <hussam> does libimlib2 come installed in Kubuntu by default?
[03:33] <hussam> flo: I don't think it compiles in hoary
[03:36] <nikkia> hussam, huh?
[03:36] <nikkia> flo, its in backports,
[03:36] <hussam> nikkia: 0.11.24 is in backports
[03:36] <nikkia> oh, might not be 0.12.3 tho *shrug*
[03:37] <nikkia> hussam, ah
[03:38] <flo> nikkia: is backports a special section? Or do you mean backports.org (I'm a debian user ;)?
[03:38] <flo> oh
[03:39] <hussam> flo: it's a extra repository for ubuntu.
[03:39] <PieD> since kubuntu is THE KDE distribution, are kubuntu packages for KDE 3.5 alpha1 available ?
[03:41] <hussam> flo: if you use debian, k3b 0.12.x should probably be in debian unstable.
[03:42] <flo> hussam: Indeed it is.. and i use it on my over-pinned-stable/testing/unstable box... but this here is KUBUNTU ;)
[03:42] <flo> hussam: I tried to install it but then apt wants to remove ubuntu-base... 
[03:43] <hussam> flo: if you're a debian user, you shouldn't be mixing repositories
[03:43] <flo> hussam: maybe I should switch back to debian, there my kdesu also works as expected ;)
[03:44] <hussam> I tried compiling it from source but it would not compile on my Kubutnu.
[03:44] <flo> hussam: I did not mix kubuntu with debian.... but for my debian box I use pinning and everything is mixed up, but at least it works!
[03:44] <hussam> flo: ok I see
[03:46] <hussam> yeah this kdesu using sudo instead of su is terrible. it's the only thing I dislike about Kubuntu
[03:47] <apokryphos> hussam: err, why exactly?
[03:47] <apokryphos> hussam: makes sense that it should use sudo considering ubuntu doesn't even come with su enabled by default
[03:47] <hussam> apokryphos: it won't let me run a program as another regular user.
[03:48] <nikkia> hussam: hmm, i don't see why not, sudo can do that
[03:48] <flo> hussam: hmm, for me it's the same. I think it's the developer's right to make such a design dession but at least they should give one the possibility to switch back.
[03:48] <hussam> in "run command", I can't run a program as another user.
[03:50] <apokryphos> hussam: that's a bug, then; not a downfall of it using the sudo model
[03:51] <hussam> apokryphos: yes, but I can run a program as another regular user using my pawword. Try it.
[03:52] <apokryphos> hussam: that's because you have sudo power, I guess
[03:54] <hussam> apokryphos: Also if you login as regular user who is not an sudoer, you can't run programs as other regular users.
[03:55] <apokryphos> Are you sure? Don't really wanna test it now, may later
[03:55] <nikkia> hussam, then you need to configure /etc/sudoers :P
[03:55] <hussam> yep, I 've tried it on my PC
[03:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, he's right, if the login has no sudoer rights, then it won't allow it, its up to him to configure sudoers to allow each user to run programs as root/other-users
[03:55] <nikkia> i wouldn't say it was 'wrong' its just the sudo way
[03:56] <hussam> exactly non sudoers can't run programs as other regular users.
[03:56] <apokryphos> hussam: nikkia is saying that they *can* if you edit the file accordingly
[03:56] <nikkia> hussam, which is exactly the point of sudo, it offers fine grained control over who can do what
[03:58] <hussam> apokryphos: what if I don't want a user to be able to run root applications using his password, but I still want him to be able to run programs as other regular users?
[03:58] <nikkia> hussam, with 'su', anyone can do anything, conversely, if they need to do *something* they need to know the password :)
[03:58] <apokryphos> nikkia: any idea of what to use to calculate the size of a folder in CLI?
[03:58] <nikkia> hussam, you can do that, easily, with sudoers
[03:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'du -h'
[03:58] <apokryphos> nice, thanks. :)
[03:58] <nikkia> hussam: moreover, sudoers lets you control *which* apps a given user can run, and as *who*
[03:59] <nikkia> ie, if i want user 'joe' to be able to run cdrecord as root, kmail as 'bob', and nothing else, i can do it
[03:59] <flo> hussam: I could definitely set an option in some config file on my father's powerbook g3 which runs kubuntu to make kdesu to use su again. If he comes back from work I'll call him and find out..
[03:59] <nikkia> i could NOT do that with su
[04:00] <hussam> flo: yeah ok thank you, I'd really appreciate that.
[04:00] <flo> nikkia: Hmm I guess it's not about which approach is better... but to which one you are used to work with. And I WANT su :D.
[04:00] <nikkia> hussam: the sudoers entry for that particular configuration would be 'joe  ALL = (root) cdrecord, (bob) kmail'
[04:00] <hussam> nikkia: I'm checking out /etc/sudoers
[04:00] <nikkia> flo, no, sudo is inarguably better
[04:00] <apokryphos> hehe
[04:00] <nikkia> flo, there's no logical argument for su being better
[04:01] <flo> nikkia: Excedpt that I'm a huming being (ubuntu) and are used to to some things in certain ways... you be as spocky as you wanr about that...
[04:02] <nikkia> flo, so configure sudo to act like su, and stop being picky :)
[04:03] <flo> nikkia: I would, but I don
[04:03] <flo> nikkia: ..know how
[04:03] <nikkia> flo, set the option 'targetpw', and setup a rule for 'Defaults ALL=(ALL)  ALL'
[04:04] <nikkia> that way, sudo should act pretty much exactly like su
[04:04] <hussam> nikkia: wait how do I do that?
[04:05] <apokryphos> hussam: there's more advantages of sticking with sudo, though, even if you think it's inconvenient at first
[04:05] <apokryphos> I liked it from the get-go though; much quicker than typing su -c "foo"
[04:06] <nikkia> hussam, read sudoers, its all in there
[04:06] <EasterSunshine> sudo is mad cool
[04:06] <nikkia> hussam, the 'targetpw' flag is the key to making sudo act like su
[04:06] <nikkia> (ie, the target user's password is used, rather than the source user's password)
[04:07] <nikkia> of course, understanding the sudoers file is likely to make you come to an understanding of why it is better :P
[04:07] <hussam> nikkia: :(
[04:10] <nikkia> the problem with 'su' is that it invariably leads you into setting programs setuid root to 'work around' not wanting to give everyone the root password
[04:10] <nikkia> and setuid binaries are almost as evil as everyone on your system knowing the root password
[04:13] <hussam> well not every user needs to be able to run applications are root. just the person who maintains or updates the machine.
[04:13] <nikkia> hussam, yes, thats why the default kubuntu sudo rule is '%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL'
[04:13] <nikkia> ie, only members of the admin group can 'do anything as root'
[04:14] <nikkia> hussam, and i would argue that *everyone* needs to be able to run SOME apps as root
[04:15] <buz> thankfully i'm the only user ;)
[04:16] <hussam> Well in reality, they shouldn't have too. and I share this machine with at least one family member.
[04:17] <nikkia> hussam, try running GNU screen without it being setuid root :P
[04:18] <hussam> what's GNU screen?
[04:18] <nikkia> hussam: a console session thing, much like konsole's tabs, but it works in any terminal app or on the console
[04:19] <nikkia> its very useful, its the easiest way to do a 'screenshot' of a text program, and its the easiest way to run apps that need a long runtime, where you don't want to stay logged in on the console (or in a kde session) all that time
[04:20] <nikkia> since you can detach from a command line session, and then rejoin it later, or you can rejoin the same console session from multiple windows/hosts
[04:21] <nikkia> but since it manipulates the system pty's and the utmp/wtmp databases, it has to run as root initially
[04:22] <hussam> I'll be back in a minute, I have to attack a different ps2 mouse.
[04:33] <Jatos> hi
[04:34] <Jatos> anyone know what the package name is for xserver in ubuntu is?
[04:34] <Jatos> I want to install just the xserver and not the accompanying window manager
[04:39] <sproingie> xorg
[04:39] <Jatos> ok
[04:39] <sproingie> xserver-xorg actually
[04:57] <erb> hello
[04:57] <hon> how can I activate a webserver? (i.e. what packages do I need to install?) I just installed apache2
[04:58] <erb> how can i replace the main menu button with my Xp stylish button?
[04:58] <hon> erb: kbfx?
[04:59] <hon> erb: do you have superkaramba installed?
[04:59] <erb> yes
[04:59] <hon> well, grab kbfx
[05:00] <hon> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24898
[05:01] <erb> thanks
[05:01] <hon> np
[05:17] <jwir3> hey everyone.  I am having some crazy things happen with KDE.  Specifically, programs i have added through apt are loading very slowly.  If I open devhelp or anjuta, it will bounce the icon in KDE for about 30 seconds, then stop without loading.  Then the program will load like 2-3 minutes later.  I have tried reinstalling, but to no avail.  Any suggestions?
[05:20] <sproingie> do you have something chewing up the CPU?
[05:20] <jwir3> hmm let me see
[05:21] <jwir3> nah.  CPU use looks pretty low
[05:21] <jwir3> like less than 20%
[05:21] <buz> too little ram?
[05:21] <sproingie> could be.  how much?
[05:21] <jwir3> well, it's got 256mb
[05:21] <sproingie> should be enough
[05:21] <jwir3> it's a rather new dell
[05:21] <buz> that rather little
[05:21] <buz> for big apps anyhow
[05:21] <sproingie> it's not a lot, but it shouldn't cause that much of a problem
[05:21] <jwir3> well, I have has anjuta run on a lot less
[05:21] <jwir3> rather quickly
[05:22] <sproingie> try running the app from the commandline, see if you get inordinate numbers of errors
[05:22] <sproingie> all kde apps spew some garbage on stderr, but it shouldn't be that much 
[05:23] <jwir3> only one I get is this:
[05:23] <jwir3> (anjuta:8100): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: IA__g_object_set_valist: construct property "type" for object `ESplash' can't be set after construction
[05:42] <slow-motion> hello
[05:46] <ecarroll> I'm currently running breezy (out of neccessity) and after the dist-upgrade i noticed glxgears went missing, how can get that same debugging functionality?
[05:46] <Tm_T> :o
[05:47] <sproingie> ecarroll: it's in mesa-examples
[05:47] <ecarroll> no pkg called mesa-examples
[05:47] <sproingie> suckage.  grab it from the hoary repo then
[05:47] <ecarroll> In the hoary repo, i'm pretty sure it is xbase-clients.
[05:48] <Heaven_7> I just got the latest kubuntu LiveCD
[05:48] <ecarroll> congrats.
[05:48] <Heaven_7> and when i goto "storage media", i see my windows drives (NTFS)
[05:48] <sproingie> ecarroll: sorry, mesademos
[05:49] <Heaven_7> but I am unable to explore them, even when I right-click and click "mount"
[05:49] <ecarroll> I got that, no glxgears in it, just glxgears.c
[05:49] <sproingie> so compile it
[05:49] <Heaven_7> "could not mount" "mount: cant find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[05:50] <ecarroll> your not mounting right
[05:50] <elvirolo> hi all
[05:50] <Heaven_7> oh?
[05:51] <ecarroll> mount takes two arguements, the hard location, and the mount point, if you don't it both, it looks in /etc/fstab for the hard loc, and you don't have the entry in /etc/fstab
[05:51] <elvirolo> when i try to burn a cd with k3b, I get the following message "unable to unlock cd burner"
[05:51] <ecarroll> so either a) add it to /etc/fstab, or b) give mount your mount point
[05:51] <elvirolo> why is that ? it used to work fine
[05:51] <_jpowers> elvirolo: have you upgraded your kernel recently?
[05:52] <elvirolo> _jpowers, not that i remember, no
[05:52] <elvirolo> jpowers, i'm using 2.6.10-5-386
[05:52] <jpowers> elvirolo: I've had issues with cd burning in the past with specific kernels, that's the only reason I ask.
[05:52] <Heaven_7> ic
[05:52] <elvirolo> jpowers, ok, thx anyway :)
[05:53] <Heaven_7> also, whats up with amaroK not being able to connect to streams? It just sits there going "connecting to stream source..." and when i try to do something else, it looks like it just crashed
[05:54] <Heaven_7> also, to do the mounting, is there a GUI way to do it? instead of the terminal?
[05:54] <nikkia> ecarroll: actually, you can get that message under some obscure situations where you specified the right parameters, too
[05:55] <nikkia> Heaven_7: media:/  in konqueror
[05:55] <nikkia> then right click on a device and there should be a 'mount' option in the menu
[05:56] <Heaven_7> hmm, i get the same error
[05:56] <Heaven_7> "cant find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[05:56] <Poromies> guys, any news about when 64bit repos will be ready for KDE 3.4.2?
[05:57] <Raptoid> mount take two agruements tyhe hard location and ythe mount point i you don't it both iy looks in 
[05:57] <Heaven_7> is there a way to fix that, i know someone suggested what the solution was--but i'm trying to figure an easy way out
[05:57] <Raptoid> bla bla bla ..
[05:57] <Raptoid> why is that
[05:57] <Raptoid> have you upgradd
[05:57] <nokia78> hello, anybody can help me, with :: libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-20ubuntu13) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed
[05:57] <Raptoid> you kernel recently
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> night people. have fun
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> and good luck :)
[05:59] <Heaven_7> raptoid, were you talking to me?
[06:01] <_frank> nokia78: do you have debian packages installed?
[06:01] <nokia78> yes
[06:01] <Heaven_7> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[06:01] <Heaven_7> i just did that
[06:01] <Heaven_7> and it works
[06:02] <_frank> nokia78: there's your problem
[06:03] <nokia78> _frank : but how can i resolve it
[06:03] <Heaven_7> lmfao, i figured out why sound wasnt working
[06:03] <Heaven_7> i had my speakers connected to "rear channel" because i use KxProject in XP
[06:04] <_frank> nokia78: ideally you should try to revert libc6 to the ubuntu package, uninstall the debian packages and compile from source what is not in the repositories
[06:05] <nokia78> _frank: oky
[06:05] <_frank> basically do not use libraries from debian. single packages from debian can work sometimes but if you upgrade libraries from the ubuntu version to the deibian version, you get problems
[06:06] <_frank> nokia78: and take out the debian repos from your sources list
[06:06] <nokia78> _frank: ok
[06:26] <nikkia> afternoon othernoob
[06:26] <othernoob> hi nikkia
[06:36] <LinKage> Hello
[06:36] <LinKage> again
[06:37] <LinKage> i just booted with kubuntu cd to install them
[06:38] <LinKage> should i choose F1 for advanced installation options ?
[06:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You probably don't need to, no
[06:40] <LinKage> ok
[06:41] <LinKage> On the network detection it came up with a warning
[06:42] <LinKage> it says no network interfaces were found
[06:42] <LinKage> it says you may need to load a specific module for your network card
[06:51] <LinKage> i need help
[06:51] <LinKage> im at the partitioning
[06:51] <LinKage> i have chosen a 10gig partition
[06:51] <LinKage> how to split it to root/swap/data
[06:51] <LinKage> ?
[06:53] <nokia78> hi, i do apt-get remove libc6,...and now i cant do apt-get,.. how can i install libc6 too ??
[06:56] <jpatrick> nokia78: looks like you seriously messed up your computer :-/
[06:57] <c0rrupt_> dl the package
[06:57] <_frank> you removed libc6? you had to downgrade it
[06:57] <c0rrupt_> the use
[06:57] <c0rrupt_> dpkg -i package.deb
[06:57] <c0rrupt_> see if that works...
[06:57] <c0rrupt_> then*
[06:57] <_frank> c0rrupt_: that wont work
[06:58] <_frank> dpkg depends on libc6
[06:58] <c0rrupt_> then..
[06:58] <c0rrupt_> gg
[06:58] <nokia78> :(
[06:58] <_frank> nikkia: If I were you I would back up my files and reinstall.
[06:59] <_frank> nikkia: you might need a live cd just too backup your files
[06:59] <Jambon> anyone know if one can make a boot floppy or cd during installation instead of using grub?
[06:59] <_frank> didn't apt-get warn it would uninstall a few 100s of packages when you took out libc6?
[07:00] <c0rrupt_> LOL
[07:00] <nikkia> frank, eh?
[07:00] <nikkia> oh, you meant nokia78 :P
[07:01] <_frank> nikkia: yeah ;-)
[07:01] <LinKage> nikkia can u help me plz?
[07:01] <nokia78> yes, but i dnt see too :(
[07:01] <c0rrupt_> blind?
[07:01] <nokia78> can i do something to rescue the system or my files
[07:01] <_setite> how do i switch between ubuntu and kubuntu
[07:02] <_setite> i installed kubuntu-desktop under root and made it my default so its what boots... but it looks the same as gnome except for the login
[07:03] <nokia78> _frank what i can do?
[07:03] <_frank> _setite: in the login screen click session and choose kde
[07:03] <_setite> or vice versa?
[07:04] <_frank> nokia78: do you have a separate partition where you could copy your documents, etc? You might have to use a live cd or something to burn what you want to save
[07:04] <Jambon> anyone know if kubuntu gives one the option of making a boot floppy?
[07:04] <_setite> hey who just helped me
[07:04] <LinKage> Can some1 help me im stuck on the partitioning ??
[07:05] <_frank> LinKage: the ubuntu installer can make the partitions for you
[07:05] <LinKage> im want to dual boot
[07:05] <_setite> whoever wrote that reply... thank you.. that was it... i friggin love this... kde looks so much better than gnome
[07:05] <_setite> is it better?
[07:05] <c0rrupt_> grub comes with kubuntu
[07:05] <_frank> make a / partition, a /home partition (not absolutely necessery) and swap partition
[07:06] <LinKage> i know
[07:06] <c0rrupt_> kubuntu comes with grub*
[07:06] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[07:06] <LinKage> the prob is
[07:06] <nokia78> _frank ok,.... where kontact directory haver mi emails ?
[07:06] <LinKage> im on a screen with 3 partitions
[07:06] <LinKage> 1 is winxp, 1 data, 1 for kubuntu
[07:06] <_frank> nokia78: somewhere in /home/nokia/
[07:07] <LinKage> what i do next?
[07:07] <_frank> nokia78: save your whole /home directory including the .files and .directories
[07:08] <nokia78> _frank but information and emails of app kontact where is?
[07:08] <_frank> I got to go... can't help you guys right now
[07:08] <_frank> nokia78: I don't know exactly
[07:11] <nokia78> _frank do you find it please,... 
[07:12] <Wimpie> Does anybody know how I can use a bittorrent 'file' and download the corresponding file ?
[07:41] <luminerd> is there a good package with lots of games?
[07:43] <jpatrick> kdegames
[07:43] <equex> install it all and check it out
[07:43] <equex> like me :D
[07:44] <equex> i think i have 2800+ packages installed now :D
[07:46] <luminerd> Dude what on earth is wrong - I can IRC just fine but I am browsing slower than 56k...I can't load one page.
[08:01] <aramazan> apokryphos: Hi Francis. I've uploaded the FAQ with your suggestions included. :)
[08:01] <apokryphos> aramazan: hey! Nice to see you here. :)
[08:01] <apokryphos> Gonna check it out now
[08:02] <c0rrupt_> why dont you purify yourself in the waters of lake minatonka
[08:02] <aramazan> apokryphos: See the changelog :)
[08:02] <apokryphos> will do
[08:04] <aramazan> I had overlooked your suggestion regarding official backports first (I missed its announcement), but then I checked it out and hey, there it was!
[08:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't like to guess how many i have :P
[08:06] <apokryphos> aramazan: just checked it; hey, thanks for the mention :). Didn't actually notice that you were using the CSS there now, but it does work.
[08:06] <apokryphos> aramazan: what is odd, and may need attention, is that it *looks* like it still selects the bullets
[08:07] <aramazan> apokryphos: Yeah, I know. It's how proficient I am in CSS :(
[08:08] <aramazan> Also, it behaves slightly different in Konq and Ffox
[08:08] <apokryphos> aramazan: found a good link that addresses it: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ :)
[08:08] <apokryphos> haven't checked in ff; will see now
[08:08] <c0rrupt_> does anyone use wu-ftp?
[08:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: it's so easy to find out with dpkg ;-)
[08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: i spose
[08:09] <apokryphos> aramazan: ah, so I see. In Firefox it doesn't select the bullets
[08:10] <aramazan> apokryphos: But, if you select a whole line it shows as if last chars aren't selected (but pastes OK)
[08:11] <c0rrupt_> what ftp servers does anyone run
[08:11] <aramazan> BTW thanks for the link. I'll study the link and the site.
[08:11] <apokryphos> aramazan: heh. That is weird. Let me check out the source
[08:11] <apokryphos> Yeah; that should be the definitive guide for bullets
[08:12] <c0rrupt_> ;\
[08:14] <aramazan> c0rrupt_: I don't use ftp servers for security reasons (I substitute ssh) But proftpd might be better than wu-ftp
[08:15] <aramazan> c0rrupt_: If you do a "apt-cache -n search ftp" it may give you hints about more security concerned ftp daemons (there should be a "very secure ftp" or something)
[08:15] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: Konqueror is good
[08:16] <apokryphos> ...erm, ftp client.
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> ok ty
[08:16] <apokryphos> aramazan: I don't know why it's doing that. I'd speculate it might be down to the spacing, but I couldn't be sure.
[08:16] <c0rrupt_> i will look into proftp
[08:17] <c0rrupt_> what is the -n option for
[08:17] <aramazan> apokryphos: That's also what I suspect. I use custom spacing in CSS
[08:17] <aramazan> c0rrupt_: sustitute for "--names-only"
[08:17] <apokryphos> aramazan: might be worth experimenting to see if it's still there without any special spacing etc
[08:18] <aramazan> apokryphos: But then single space might confuse some readers?
[08:19] <nikkia> aramazan: vsftp is about as secure and good as plain ftp gets
[08:19] <aramazan> apokryphos: Previosly I was using double space. Now I use single space with custom width definition
[08:19] <apokryphos> aramazan: not suggesting you should have the single spacing... just try to see if the problem is down to that
[08:20] <apokryphos> Double space would mean copy-and-pasting it in Konsole wouldn't work, I'd think
[08:20] <aramazan> pokryphos: Ah I see. I will try and see if default space width will have an effect on FF
[08:21] <aramazan> nikkia: Possibly :)
[08:24] <equex> any idea why my dvd drive sees all dvds as blanks ?
[08:25] <equex> it used to work, but got broken somehow
[08:25] <apokryphos> aramazan: as a note, in IRC you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicks :)
[08:25] <luminerd> equex, yes.  it's b0rk3d.
[08:25] <luminerd> :( sorry
[08:25] <djtm> hi all, how can i remove apache server, ive tried "apt-get remove apache" but it still remains
[08:26] <equex> did you stop it first ? :p
[08:26] <aramazan> apokryphos: Oh, thanks! I was wondering if everybody else also do it by copy-pasting :)
[08:26] <aramazan> ...as I was.
[08:27] <apokryphos> aramazan: re: your points on IRC. I can see what you mean, but I find that it's good for computer/software-related issues. Instant answers
[08:27] <apokryphos> aramazan: still, I would think that it's generally bad for discussion of Philosophy etc :|
[08:27] <Filip__> my internet connection doesent work in kubuntu but it work in windows on same computer, what can i do?
[08:29] <apokryphos> Filip__: are you using a router?
[08:29] <Filip__> no i dont use an router.
[08:29] <aramazan> apokryphos: Agreed. Also lists, usenet etc are more time-efficient. But chat has its own feeling, I sould admit :)
[08:30] <apokryphos> Filip__: if you don't get an answer in here, you should try #ubuntu -- better place for non ubuntu-and-kde stuff
[08:30] <djtm> equex, yes i stopped it using sudo invoke-rc.d apache2 stop, then ran sudo apt-get remove apache2, but it says 0 to remove
[08:31] <apokryphos> djtm: well, check what other apache things you have installed; dpkg -l|grep apache
[08:31] <njoodlwce> oops
[08:31] <Filip__> i have the same problem in ubuntu but it work first then after some days it dont work so i try to install kubuntu but it dont work.
[08:31] <equex> i only use apache1.3 now.. best thing is to "apachectl stop" i think
[08:31] <aramazan> Anybody has an idea when (fully functional) Kubuntu-Breezy images will be available?
[08:31] <equex> or even apachectl graceful 
[08:32] <equex> (dunno about that last)
[08:32] <aramazan> Daily images seem to have several components not working yet
[08:33] <equex> <luminerd equex, yes.  it's b0rk3d.  <-- does that mean its a known problem or are you stating the obvious ?
[08:34] <luminerd> equex, I am stating the obvious in order to look smart.  I believe I have achieved the opposite
[08:35] <djtm> thanks for that command apokryphos, it revealed that i had apache2-common, so i removed it and it seems to have done the trick
[08:35] <equex> i know for a fact Ubuntu likes the same drive, i installed the DVD version with that.. 
[08:35] <equex> i am not sure if it actually ever did work in Kubuntu
[08:35] <bjv> i need to reinstall my nvidia driver, i have run an apt-get dist-upgrade since the last time i compiled the driver
[08:36] <bjv> i only have 1 version of gcc, what version was ubuntu made with?
[08:36] <equex> luminerd: yeah i wont talk to you anymore now :p
[08:36] <apokryphos> aramazan: I've been meaning to ask you. I really liked the idea of your "application equivalent" on Windows/Mac. Would you mind if something similar was put in the KDE userguide? I'll reference your site of course
[08:37] <aramazan> apokryphos: Sure! I'll be happy with that.
[08:38] <apokryphos> Very handy. It'll probably be part of a "For migrators from Mac/Windows" section
[08:38] <luminerd> Question regarding the package manager and Synaptic...you know how normally it puts the programs in the menu as you install them?  What happens if you don't have that menu?  Will it create it?
[08:39] <aramazan> ...uhm with "Sure!" I mean I wouldn't mind :)
[08:39] <equex> heh the menu system lives a life of its own
[08:39] <equex> it get borked after you have moved stuff around a few timnes
[08:39] <equex> then suddenly after a week, the Debian menu was suddenly populated with *every* app i have installed
[08:41] <equex> (and yes it will autocreate menus if the app is kde aware i suppose)
[08:41] <equex> most of them do anyway
[08:41] <pax> take control: kmenuedit
[08:41] <luminerd> equex, gosh, you had to help me didn't you?  Now I feel even more horrible that I couldn't help you!  Thanks a lot!
[08:41] <equex> yeah, thats what i use
[08:41] <_setite> how do i block a user
[08:42] <equex> heh
[08:42] <_setite> on irc
[08:42] <equex> i didnt do it on purpose
[08:42] <equex> its just i am so tired
[08:42] <luminerd> lol
[08:42] <equex> :D
[08:42] <_setite> n00b rule numero uno : do not use linux while angry or in an altered state due to lack of sleep or mind altering substances
[08:43] <bjv> that would be me, right now. :\\
[08:43] <equex> hehe
[08:43] <jeffm_> hey guys
[08:43] <jeffm_> lol whats up bjv
[08:43] <apokryphos> aramazan: yeah, sure :)
[08:43] <bjv> lightning strikes on my boxen. :\\
[08:44] <bjv> wait. i think i got my answer.
[08:44] <bjv> was the ubuntu kernel compiled with gcc 3.2.?
[08:44] <bjv> that would explain my issues with 3.3.5
[08:44] <jeffm_> bjv: i talked to my uncle, and he said that the switch wont allow me to chare the internet with my laptop.  after we went through all that pain
[08:45] <bjv> ah
[08:45] <jeffm_> so now im trying to backup the /etc/network/interfaces file to the way it was before all this
[08:45] <equex> pax: have you not experienced how even with kmenuedit, some menus become immovable (saved changes does not propagate to the KMenu) or that menus dissappear and their items is lost or ends up in Lost+Found ?
[08:45] <jeffm_> i've edited it in the console using 'vu' but now i forget how to save it
[08:46] <ellis> do anyone know how to change default sound device in ubuntu ?
[08:46] <bjv> saving was done with the   w   write command
[08:46] <jeffm_> how do i put in commands again?
[08:46] <seaLne> :w
[08:46] <jeffm_> ok ill try it
[08:46] <crimsun> ellis: in gnome?
[08:46] <ellis> no kdt
[08:46] <ellis> kde*
[08:47] <ellis> kubuntu sorry
[08:47] <aramazan> ellis: If you have multiple sound devices, then KMix will have a selection box listing all devices.
[08:47] <pax> equex: something is wrong with your box.
[08:47] <ellis> yea, but, will stuff like amarok use that device ?
[08:47] <equex> no my hardware is just fine. it even did that after a fresh install
[08:48] <pax> equex: file bug reports then.
[08:48] <equex> and i also read the xml files produced by kmenuedit, they are like ripped out of a MS Frontpage site
[08:48] <aramazan> ellis: If you select a particular dev, than AFAIK it will be used by all programs. But I'm not sure...
[08:48] <equex> a horrible mess that doesnt validate for shit
[08:48] <jeffm_> how do you get out of insert mode?
[08:49] <ellis> why i wonder is, the master control quick thingy is still changing the first device
[08:49] <crodler> jeffm: ESC
[08:49] <equex> pax, so now i am trying to find a way to edit the menu with an xml editor from scratch
[08:49] <aramazan> jeffm_: Pressing "Insert", paradoxically? :)
[08:49] <jeffm_> ok thanks
[08:49] <jeffm_> lol
[08:49] <equex> and keep it valid
[08:49] <jeffm_> it didnt work
[08:50] <jeffm_> im using 'vu' in the console
[08:51] <aramazan> ellis: Did you try quitting from KMix and restarting it?
[08:52] <ellis> aramazan: that only swiches it back to my first sound device
[08:52] <aramazan> jeffm_: Then try <ESC>
[08:53] <jeffm_> ok thanks
[08:53] <jeffm_> :)
[08:54] <supernix> anyone here good at email programming ?
[08:54] <aramazan> ellis: Colud be a Control Center setting or something. I don't know.
[08:55] <supernix> preferably someone working on the thunderbird project 
[08:55] <jeffm_> why dont you check their channel?
[08:56] <_setite> does kopete have tabbed windows... i cant find the option
[08:56] <_setite> or do i need a plugin
[08:57] <ellis> aramazan: nothing... only default soundD
[08:57] <ellis> swiched it to alsa btw
[08:57] <_setite> ooh i think i found the setting
[08:57] <_setite> cool found it
[08:58] <_setite> woot didnt realize what i was missing using gnome
[08:58] <pax> _setite: setting > behavior > chat
[09:03] <ellis> if i refrase my question... how do i change default soundcard in alsa
[09:09] <aramazan> ellis: Good question... with apparently no immediate answer. I wonder why KMix didn't work. In etc/default/alsa there's an option <<alsactl_store_on_shutdown="always autosave">>
[09:10] <aramazan> it should save the adjustments made in KMix. May be it's worth trying to set other snd dev in KMix & then restarting the system? (with "always autosave" option set)
[09:11] <ellis> ok
[09:11] <ellis> ill try
[09:11] <jolly_joe> Trying to install ubuntu with seperate / and /home partitions. The installer doesnt let me create users. It works perfectly on 1 partition, but I want 2 How do I solve this?
[09:11] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: I had the same problem, but I thought it was solved in Hoary.
[09:11] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: don't worry, though. Just make the root partition, then you can later permanently mount another partition as /home
[09:12] <jolly_joe> thanks
[09:12] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: you'll just have to edit /etc/fstab
[09:18] <jolly_joe> apokryphos, Do I back up my original /home folders then, edit /etc/fstab then copy the backed up to the new mountpoint?
[09:34] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: if you already have them on a mount point, then leave it there.
[09:34] <apokryphos> jolly_joe: after you've installed, copy the ubuntu /home folder from the / partition, and put it into the new /home
[09:38] <EasterSunshine> i bet i can puke before any of you can
[09:43] <c0rrupt_> hello
[09:43] <c0rrupt_> i need a little help
[09:43] <c0rrupt_> i setup an proftpd
[09:43] <c0rrupt_> i added a new user brax
[09:43] <c0rrupt_> but id only like that user to be able to access 1 folder
[09:43] <c0rrupt_> in ftp
[09:44] <nikkia> Hmmm, this storm is like something out of a bad horror movie
[09:44] <EasterSunshine> c0rrupt_: do you know how to set a jailed chrooted environment?
[09:45] <c0rrupt_> no
[09:45] <c0rrupt_> id like to
[09:45] <c0rrupt_> cant i just edit /etc/ftpchroot
[09:45] <lichte> How can I keep kaffeine from opening in konqueror ??  I have vlc and realplayer and konq sees their plugins, but for some reason, kaffeine keeps opening instead of the other two!
[09:45] <c0rrupt_> uninstal kaffenine
[09:45] <c0rrupt_> its horrible!
[09:46] <EasterSunshine> c0rrupt_: if thats an already existing file, then yes, otherwise, i beleive you should add stuff into /etc/proftpd.conf
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> yes it
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> it exists
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> well
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> ill edit the conf i guess
[09:46] <c0rrupt_> the config doesnt exist..
[09:47] <c0rrupt_> nvm
[09:47] <c0rrupt_> its there
[09:47] <lichtec0> c0rrupt_: I tried that
[09:47] <lichtec0> c0rrupt_: it won't uninstall without uninstalling kubuntu-desktop
[09:48] <c0rrupt_> k
[09:48] <c0rrupt_> nvm then
[09:48] <c0rrupt_> ok EasterSunshine 
[09:48] <c0rrupt_> im in the conf
[09:48] <EasterSunshine> err...now read proftd's docs?
[09:49] <EasterSunshine> i used to know how to do this, sry, but i moved to vsftp
[09:49] <c0rrupt_> anyone else know.............
[09:49] <EasterSunshine> actually let me look for my old conf files
[09:49] <c0rrupt_> k
[09:49] <lichte> I can't find anywhere in konqueror that even shows kaffeine
[09:49] <EasterSunshine> oh shit sry deleted
[09:52] <lichte> if I uninstall kubuntu-desktop, will that remove all KDE apps, or is kubuntu-desktop just some kind of empty file only used for pullilng in defaults ?
[09:52] <PieD> lichte: it won't remove anythin
[09:53] <LinKage> Can some1 help me install drivers for my network card or make linux to detect ?
[09:53] <lichte> PieD: ok
[09:53] <lichte> PieD: it's gone then :)
[09:53] <PieD> kubuntu-desktop depends of all KDE, but nothing depends on kubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <lichte> I see
[09:53] <PieD> LinKage: if you tell us what network card it is
[09:53] <LinKage> 1 sec
[09:53] <LinKage> Marvell 88E8053 PCIe Gigabit LAN Controller
[09:56] <PieD> LinKage: sudo modprobe sk98lin
[09:57] <PieD> and your network card should then work
[09:57] <LinKage> i have done that
[09:57] <LinKage> but nothing happene
[09:57] <PieD> give us the last four lines given by dmesg after that
[09:58] <PieD> ("dmesg | tail -n 4" without quotes to do that :)
[09:58] <aramazan> LinKage: Also see http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/post-262642.html if your mobo is nforce.
[09:58] <LinKage> my mobo isnt nforce
[09:58] <LinKage> 4 last lines are
[09:59] <LinKage> -4 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device c02f0500(lo)
[09:59] <jeffm_> hey guys
[10:00] <LinKage> -3 IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling drivers
[10:00] <jeffm_> when i try to ./configure when installing a theme, i get error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[10:00] <PieD> jeffm_: install gcc with kynaptic
[10:00] <LinKage> -4 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device f4caa000(sit0)
[10:00] <jeffm_> ok
[10:01] <LinKage> -2 Disabled Privacy Extensions on device f4caa000(sit0)
[10:01] <LinKage> -1 NET: Registered protocol family 17
[10:01] <PieD> dhclient eth0
[10:01] <PieD> sorry :
[10:01] <PieD> sudo dhclient eth0
[10:02] <LinKage> sit0: unknown hardware address type 776
[10:02] <LinKage> SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[10:03] <PieD> sudo ifconfig
[10:03] <LinKage> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such Device
[10:03] <nikkia> not all ethernet controllers use eth0 still
[10:03] <nikkia> pied, probably want ifconfig -a
[10:03] <PieD> nikkia: I'm not expert with ifconfig
[10:04] <PieD> LinKage: and don't copy us the full result of ifconfig
[10:04] <LinKage> ok
[10:04] <PieD> give us only the interfaces names
[10:04] <nikkia> pied, sometimes it doesn't report 'unconfigured' interfaces, which LinKage's ethernet interface is going to be
[10:04] <PieD> (the first words)
[10:04] <LinKage> two paragraphs
[10:04] <LinKage> lo
[10:04] <LinKage> and sit0
[10:04] <PieD> nikkia: I've the same for my wireless card
[10:04] <PieD> LinKage: and with ifconfig -a ?
[10:05] <LinKage> without sudo ?
[10:05] <nikkia> PieD: some of my wireless cards are eth0, some are wlan0 :)
[10:05] <PieD> LinKage: with or without, you choose
[10:05] <nikkia> linkage, the sudo doesn't matter for ifconfig
[10:05] <PieD> nikkia: I saw eth0, wlan0, ra0....
[10:05] <PieD> quite random :/
[10:05] <LinKage> i get the same
[10:05] <PieD> for such things freebsd is better
[10:06] <nikkia> linkage, try this...
[10:06] <nikkia> ls /sys/class/net
[10:06] <PieD> nikkia: I'm still not used to /sys
[10:06] <LinKage> ok
[10:07] <LinKage> then what nikkia
[10:07] <PieD> LinKage: give us the result
[10:07] <nikkia> LinKage: it should just list a directory for each network interface the system sees
[10:07] <LinKage> lo and sit0
[10:07] <nikkia> then your network 'card' isn't being seen
[10:08] <LinKage> ok
[10:08] <LinKage> how do i make linux to see my nic?
[10:09] <LinKage> when installing kubuntu
[10:09] <PieD> LinKage: we need more result from dmesg than 4 lines
[10:09] <LinKage> i had a warning that it couldnt detect the card
[10:09] <PieD> I don't exactly know how much
[10:09] <aramazan> LinKage: I think Gbit eth should show up as ethX in "sudo ifconfig -a". If not, then I suspect sk98lin driver didn't work...
[10:10] <PieD> dmesg can tell us more precisely what happens
[10:10] <PieD> but it looks like you're manually typing the result of dmesg => that's too slow
[10:10] <LinKage> nop there is no ethX aramazan
[10:10] <aramazan> LinKage: See if sk98lin is loaded in the first place (lsmod | less)
[10:11] <nikkia> LinKage: can you do lspci and paste the line with the network card 
[10:11] <PieD> haven't you any way to give us results faster ?
[10:11] <nikkia> aramazan: sk98lin doesn't support all marvell chipsets, i have a nasty feeling...
[10:11] <PieD> (floppies, usb keys...)
[10:11] <LinKage> no sorry guys
[10:11] <PieD> does ndiswrapper work for non-wireless cards ?
[10:11] <LinKage> i typed lsmod | less
[10:12] <PieD> LinKage: quite hard to help you :/
[10:12] <nikkia> pied, it can, yes
[10:12] <LinKage> and cant describe the output
[10:12] <LinKage> it has modules and its sizes
[10:12] <nikkia> linkage, just do lspci and look for the line with the network interface
[10:12] <PieD> nikkia: then it can perhaps help us for his problem
[10:12] <nikkia> pied, i want to be sure sk98lin doesn't support it first, but that means i need the vendor/prod IDs
[10:12] <PieD> but the ndiswrapper provided with hoary is old
[10:13] <nikkia> and that means a) finding out which PCI-ID the card is on, then doing lspci -n, and he seems to be ignoring my request :/
[10:13] <PieD> nikkia: be patient
[10:13] <LinKage> guys
[10:13] <LinKage> what do i do now :$
[10:13] <PieD> remember that he can't copy/paste !
[10:13] <PieD> LinKage: we asked you :
[10:13] <apokryphos> LinKage: do what nikkia said
[10:13] <PieD> [22:12:36]  <nikkia> linkage, just do lspci and look for the line with the network interface
[10:14] <PieD> give us the line related to your network card !
[10:14] <nikkia> if it helps, all i want is the first bit, the numeric bit like 00:00.0
[10:14] <LinKage> 1 sec
[10:14] <nikkia> because then i'm going to ask you to do lspci -n, and copy the numbers that match up with that device :)
[10:14] <LinKage> ok got it
[10:14] <LinKage> you want the numbers at the start?
[10:14] <nikkia> linkage, yes
[10:15] <LinKage> 0000:02:00.0
[10:15] <nikkia> ok, now, do lspci -n | grep "02:00.0"
[10:15] <PieD> (the ndiswrapper list of supported devices only mention wireless cards)
[10:15] <nikkia> and copy *all* of that line to here
[10:16] <nikkia> pied, its all most people use it for
[10:16] <PieD> nikkia: I know ...
[10:16] <nikkia> pied, but i've heard of people using it for broadcom on-board chips
[10:16] <LinKage> with the quotes right?
[10:16] <Will__> you?
[10:16] <nikkia> linkage, yes
[10:16] <PieD> with one of my friend, we tried to use it
[10:16] <LinKage> ok
[10:16] <nikkia> pied, for the most part, ndis is ndis
[10:17] <PieD> for more than 6 months, we tested each new release of ndiswrapper, hoping for a support of his wireless card :/
[10:17] <LinKage> 0000:02:00.0 0200: llab:4362 (rev 15)
[10:17] <PieD> finally he bought another one :)
[10:17] <nikkia> linkage, thats all ? hmmm
[10:17] <LinKage> that is the output
[10:17] <nikkia> linkage, i have bad news
[10:17] <nikkia> the latest chipset that sk98lin supports is 0x4361
[10:17] <nikkia> you have 0x4362
[10:18] <LinKage> ohh my god
[10:18] <nikkia> and those are commented out of the code too :)
[10:18] <PieD> last chance : ndiswrapper ?
[10:18] <LinKage> so that means ?
[10:18] <nikkia> #if 0   /* don't handle Yukon2 cards at the moment
[10:18] <nikkia> linkage, it means, you can try ndiswrapper, if that doesn't work, you'll need to buy a cheap ethernet card
[10:18] <PieD> ndiswrapper tries to emulate the needed windows kernel functions to support ndis (=> network) drivers for windows under linux
[10:19] <LinKage> ok
[10:19] <PieD> you must find your network card drivers first
[10:19] <nikkia> i'd recommend a realtek  based card, they're cheap (under $10) and work
[10:19] <LinKage> how does that works?
[10:19] <LinKage> i have them on a cd
[10:19] <PieD> LinKage: do what I say you
[10:19] <PieD> that's not enough
[10:19] <LinKage> huh?
[10:19] <PieD> you must find by yourself the XP driver on the CD
[10:19] <nikkia> pied, if he can get unshield and cabextract to the machine by CD/floppy, it should be enough
[10:20] <PieD> find the files of the driver
[10:20] <LinKage> Okay gimmie a sec
[10:20] <PieD> nikkia: yes, but he must find the right installer
[10:20] <nikkia> i'd be getting ready to go buy a new ethernet card right now, if it was me :)
[10:21] <PieD> (sometimes, there are hundreds of drivers on one CD : each network card of the hardware maker + each windows :/)
[10:21] <PieD> (I've got that :p)
[10:21] <PieD> nikkia: hope first
[10:21] <nikkia> pied, ndiswrapper uses masses of CPU cycles anyway, i wouldn't bother
[10:21] <PieD> masses ? so much ?
[10:21] <c0rrupt_> i use ndiwrapper
[10:21] <c0rrupt_> it works perfectly
[10:21] <nikkia> PieD: 10-30% from what i've seen
[10:21] <c0rrupt_> rtl8180
[10:23] <PieD> and he is currently on windows... It'll be harder for him to extract the drivers
[10:23] <LinKage> you have to be kidding me
[10:23] <nikkia> he might be lucky
[10:23] <LinKage> i dont believe my eyes
[10:23] <PieD> LinKage: ?
[10:24] <LinKage> i just saw in the cd there is file named Linux
[10:24] <nikkia> my broadcom on-board chipset had ndis files unextracted on the CD :)
[10:24] <c0rrupt_> mmk?
[10:24] <nikkia> linkage, i'll wager they're redhat only :/
[10:24] <PieD> LinKage: :)
[10:24] <hon> I am so ashamed to ask this but I have to. how can I use a hub? I have never used one before so I don't know. I am connected to the net in Lan, now what happens if I put the hub in the middle? can I still have a webserver?
[10:24] <PieD> quite funny
[10:24] <LinKage> iit has a install file and 2 .htm
[10:24] <LinKage> c0rrupt_ give me more plz
[10:24] <nikkia> hon, hubs are dumb, they just copy the data that comes in, to every port
[10:25] <nikkia> hon, so yes
[10:25] <LinKage> yep yep hon multiple echoes creates lag
[10:25] <LinKage> ok
[10:25] <Will__> why the colors?
[10:25] <LinKage> now i assume installing aint the same as with windows
[10:25] <LinKage> sorry its the script
[10:26] <LinKage> how do i install ?
[10:26] <hon> I can have several IPs, so that's not my problem. I jus disconnected the cable, put the hub in the middle and restarted eth0, and well! nothing workd!
[10:27] <nikkia> hon, were you using a cross-over cable ?
[10:27] <LinKage> it is the sk98lin driver
[10:27] <hon> cross over? I don't think so
[10:27] <PieD> LinKage: how is it packaged ?
[10:27] <nikkia> linkage, i doubt its going to work then
[10:27] <LinKage> .tar.bz2
[10:27] <PieD> do they give you rpm files ?
[10:27] <nikkia> pied, remember, these might be 'generic' linux drivers, for other marvell cards
[10:27] <PieD> nikkia: yes, I remember :)
[10:28] <PieD> nikkia: I suppose you checked the latest sk98lin drivers ?
[10:28] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ .tar.bz2
[10:28] <nikkia> pied, 2.6.12.3
[10:28] <nikkia> pied, ie, i checked what my kernel is built from
[10:28] <PieD> ok, the latest
[10:28] <nikkia> pied, there may be patches for it somewhere, but it is going to be a major headache to get them working if there are
[10:29] <PieD> LinKage: can you send your driver on a FTP server for instance?
[10:29] <PieD> we'd like to look at it
[10:29] <LinKage> well i can put the cd on the laptop n send from there
[10:29] <hon> nikkia: do I need to change the ip addresses after put the hub in?
[10:29] <LinKage> i can use FlashFTP
[10:29] <nikkia> hon, no
[10:29] <LinKage> i can use FlashFXP
[10:30] <PieD> LinKage: we want the files on a public server
[10:30] <PieD> that's the only criteria
[10:30] <LinKage> erm..
[10:30] <PieD> you can also send me the files and I'll put them on my website
[10:30] <LinKage> details of that public serveR?
[10:30] <LinKage> ip for instance?
[10:31] <PieD> I don't care !
[10:31] <LinKage> i dont know any FTP's
[10:31] <PieD> only a way to access the files
[10:31] <PieD> ok, send me the files
[10:31] <PieD> I give you my email adress
[10:31] <LinKage> email? msn ?
[10:31] <PieD> KILL MSN !
[10:31] <LinKage> rofl
[10:31] <nikkia> hon, what colour is your ethernet cable ?
[10:32] <nikkia> i guess he already unplugged it *shrug*
[10:32] <PieD> LinKage: please highlight me when the file is sent
[10:33] <nikkia> this ionised air is driving me nuts
[10:34] <LinKage> ill rar it n send it
[10:34] <LinKage> all at once
[10:35] <PieD> don't rar
[10:35] <PieD> tar.bz2 are already very well compressed
[10:35] <PieD> (better than rar in most case)
[10:35] <LinKage> ok
[10:35] <PieD> and don't extract a tar.bz2 under windows
[10:37] <PieD> LinKage: is the file so big ?? more than five minutes to send it => it'll be refused by the mail servers !
[10:38] <PieD> received
[10:38] <LinKage> :)
[10:40] <george__> Hi does kubuntu support surround sound?
[10:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> My amaroK says yes
[10:41] <web250> george__: if it supports your soundcard, and that is surround, i dont see why not
[10:41] <george__> i am using ubuntu but it won't work the surround sound
[10:43] <PieD> nikkia: http://pinaraf.robertlan.eu.org/install-7_04.tar.bz2
[10:43] <PieD> that's the driver
[10:43] <LinKage> so that means we are good to go ?
[10:44] <PieD> LinKage: that means I let nikkia explore that driver because I don't know it
[10:45] <nikkia> it does support his chipset
[10:45] <web250> can someone tell me why vcs7 is causing random x reboots?
[10:45] <nikkia> its going to be a pain to get working without networking to install linux-headers tho
[10:45] <PieD> nikkia: I let you explain him, I can't continue (it's being late here and I'm really really tired)
[10:45] <nikkia> *if* linux-headers and build-essential are enough
[10:45] <nikkia> pied, i can't, i'm struggling to think straight because of this storm
[10:46] <nikkia> the only thing my mind wants to focus on, is the 'electricity' feeling in my frontal lobes
[10:46] <PieD> the CD of kubuntu contains some needed packages for most compilations of drivers
[10:46] <PieD> I was able to compile my wireless card driver with it
[10:47] <PieD> LinKage: sudo apt-get install gcc linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[10:47] <apokryphos> PieD: better to recommend build-essential -- brings more in
[10:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: problem is, is build-essential on the cd ?
[10:48] <PieD> is build-essential on the CD ?
[10:48] <apokryphos> hm, it is in MAIN, but that doesn't necessitate it being on the cd
[10:48] <LinKage> should i do what u said PieD
[10:49] <PieD> LinKage: yes
[10:49] <LinKage> ok
[10:49] <nikkia> i'm puzzled why the updated driver isn't in the kernel tree
[10:49] <PieD> nikkia: license problem ?
[10:50] <PieD> pending integration in the mm branch ?
[10:50] <PieD> in the 2.6.13-rc* kernels ?
[10:50] <nikkia> pied, its shipped as modified versions of the kernel included source
[10:50] <nikkia> PieD: ergo, it MUST be GPL legally
[10:50] <PieD> but ask them to include it
[10:50] <PieD> nikkia: yes, I know (I'm having problems to keep my eyes opened)
[10:50] <nikkia> pied, any driver on a CD must, by definition, be older than 2.6.12 though
[10:50] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ finished
[10:50] <PieD> LinKage: no error message ?
[10:51] <LinKage> nop
[10:51] <LinKage> :S
[10:51] <LinKage> :D
[10:51] <PieD> I was right :)
[10:51] <nikkia> pied, the only reason i can think of, is that it seems to be missing support for some sk98lin compatible cards that aren't by marvell
[10:51] <nikkia> pied, but still, that should just necessitate the new sources being merged, rather than taken as-is
[10:52] <nikkia> pied, oddly, the installer even has an option to generate a patch file against the standard kernel sources
[10:52] <LinKage> what i do next?
[10:52] <PieD> copy the driver in your home folder for instance
[10:53] <PieD> quite good installer
[10:53] <PieD> LinKage: that's done ?
[10:53] <web250> Why is unloading of vcs7 causing me random x reboots?
[10:54] <LinKage> i cant create a new folder :S
[10:54] <PieD> in your home ?
[10:54] <PieD> that's a joke ?
[10:54] <PieD> location in the browser : ~
[10:54] <LinKage> ok done
[10:54] <PieD> ok, extract it
[10:55] <PieD> (right click => Extract => extract here)
[10:55] <LinKage> how do i extract in linux ?
[10:55] <LinKage> thnx
[10:55] <LinKage> :D
[10:55] <PieD> (approximate translation, don't trust me)
[10:55] <LinKage> Okay done
[10:55] <PieD> can't you stop using unreadable colors ?
[10:56] <LinKage> ok
[10:56] <LinKage> illl try
[10:56] <PieD> go into the created folder
[10:56] <LinKage> ok
[10:56] <PieD> you've got four files, right ?
[10:57] <LinKage> click on the install.sh ?
[10:57] <LinKage> yea i have 4
[10:57] <PieD> don't click
[10:57] <PieD> their installer isn't graphical
[10:57] <LinKage> ok i dont
[10:57] <LinKage> ok
[10:57] <PieD> Window => show terminal emulation (highly approximate translation)
[10:58] <LinKage> you want me to open a terminal ?
[10:58] <PieD> yes, in that folder
[10:58] <LinKage> ok done
[10:58] <PieD> and from the browser you can open a terminal embeded in the browser...
[10:58] <PieD> sudo sh install.sh
[10:58] <LinKage> ok
[10:58] <PieD> type 1
[10:58] <PieD> enter
[10:59] <PieD> type y
[10:59] <LinKage> proceed Y ?
[10:59] <PieD> enter
[10:59] <LinKage> hmm i have an error
[10:59] <PieD> and for the next steps, I don't know what'll happend since I don't have this network card
[10:59] <PieD> what error ?
[10:59] <LinKage> check kernel header files (not found)
[11:00] <PieD> sh--
[11:00] <LinKage> it said the installation failed
[11:00] <LinKage> :/
[11:00] <PieD> yes, I guess
[11:00] <nikkia> yeah, i feared that
[11:00] <PieD> sudo apt-get install linux-headers-386
[11:00] <nikkia> its looking in /usr/src/linux
[11:01] <PieD> nikkia: stupid driver
[11:01] <nikkia> unfortunately, /usr/src/linux existing *breaks* 2.6 kernels
[11:01] <PieD> s/driver/installer
[11:01] <PieD> then manual installation
[11:01] <PieD> yipee
[11:01] <LinKage> what ?
[11:01] <PieD> that driver is outdated
[11:02] <PieD> no, installer sorry
[11:02] <LinKage> you said its looking for a file
[11:02] <LinKage> what if i put the file there?
[11:03] <PieD> no it won't work
[11:03] <PieD> I'm looking at what that installer does
[11:03] <LinKage> ok
[11:04] <gelios> hi all!!!
[11:06] <nikkia> christ, this is enough to drive someone insane :/
[11:06] <LinKage> it drives me insane although i dont know what happens
[11:06] <Will__> drinking
[11:07] <Will__> or shouting at people on irc
[11:07] <PieD> ok we're going to modify the installer
[11:07] <PieD> it may work
[11:07] <PieD> right click on install.sh => open with => kate
[11:08] <PieD> go to line 741
[11:08] <PieD> (key F11 to show line numbers)
[11:08] <LinKage> ok im there
[11:08] <PieD> ok
[11:09] <PieD> please wait a bit
[11:09] <LinKage> ok
[11:10] <PieD> LinKage: ok, you select everything from line 745 (if [ -d /usr/src/linux/include/linux/ ] ; then) to line 774 (fi)
[11:10] <PieD> oops
[11:11] <PieD> my line numbers are wrong
[11:11] <PieD> 743 -> 772
[11:11] <nikkia> pied, change it to use the build dir from /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION
[11:11] <LinKage> done
[11:11] <PieD> and you do tool => comment
[11:11] <PieD> nikkia: yes, first comment that fucking test
[11:11] <LinKage> ok i did
[11:12] <_pa> hallo
[11:12] <PieD> nikkia: sorry my english vocable is limited
[11:12] <PieD> I can't explain what I think clearly
[11:12] <_pa> PieD where r u from
[11:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: built wine from cvs recently?
[11:12] <PieD> LinKage: yet, add two lines after "echo -n "Check kernel header files"" (line 742)
[11:12] <PieD> I'm from France
[11:13] <PieD> the lines :
[11:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: it appears to look for OSX headers, i guess wine on OSX/intel will be sooner rather than later :)
[11:13] <_pa> i cant english not so well
[11:13] <_pa> :-(
[11:13] <pax> in french would that be: putain de merde a la crme fraiche?
[11:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: I haven't, no. In fact, I haven't used wine for about 8 months or so
[11:14] <PieD> 	export KERNEL_HEADER="/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build/include"
[11:14] <PieD> 	export KERNEL_SOURCE="/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build"
[11:14] <apokryphos> nikkia: funny how new users (including myself) think its the saving grace of Linux. :)
[11:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: it also seems to be more than capable of being built to execute win32 code on amd64 *glare at package maintainers* :)
[11:14] <apokryphos> s/its/it's
[11:14] <PieD> pax: je dirais plutt : installeur crit avec les pieds
[11:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm only building it to be able to run VST plugins within linux :)
[11:14] <pax> PieD: wee wee
[11:14] <nikkia> (i use cedega for my games :)
[11:15] <PieD> LinKage: you saw the two lines (in the middle of the other messages)
[11:15] <LinKage> ok
[11:15] <LinKage> copyin
[11:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: what's development like for wine? Any idea? 
[11:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: maybe I should just try it out again, as the proof is in the pudding. ;-)
[11:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: seems to vary
[11:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: for a long time, it seemed to go nowhere - between about '95 and 2002ish
[11:16] <apokryphos> I never knew it was around then. Heh.
[11:16] <PieD> LinKage: that's done ?
[11:16] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ done
[11:16] <LinKage> now?
[11:16] <apokryphos> I actually think there's a deb repository with cvs
[11:16] <PieD> save the file
[11:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: it appeared not long after WABI, as i remember it, sometime around 93 or 94
[11:16] <PieD> go to the shell
[11:16] <LinKage> ok
[11:16] <PieD> and relaunch
[11:16] <apokryphos> might be the one I have; hm
[11:16] <PieD> sudo ./install.sh
[11:17] <PieD> it must work yet
[11:17] <_pa> _not so quick!!! please!!!
[11:17] <nikkia> now WABI, that died a rapid death
[11:17] <apokryphos> nikkia: wabi? :z
[11:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: Sun's commercial 'windows translation layer' for solaris
[11:17] <LinKage> compile the kernel error
[11:17] <PieD> what message exactly ?
[11:17] <PieD> "compile the kernel" ??
[11:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: they wanted something like 700 for a WABI license, and it was hideously buggy
[11:18] <LinKage> compile the kernel (error) [failed] 
[11:18] <apokryphos> :|
[11:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: Solaris OS was quite expensive before? I remember having an image of it as "the best and most expensive OS, what nasa use" because of some man who (I think!) told me
[11:19] <apokryphos> no idea what nasa actually use :)
[11:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wouldn't say it was the most expensive
[11:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i don't think nasa use it
[11:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: didn't it used to be? Not in the thousands?
[11:19] <PieD> LinKage: can you give us the last lines of the file install.log ?
[11:19] <nikkia> they might have used it at some point, but NASA was mostly an ultrix and SGI place, although i think they have a fair few NT boxes now
[11:20] <LinKage> yea one sec
[11:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: solaris was expensive, but not 'most expensive' by a long shot
[11:20] <nikkia> apokryphos: the pricing on ultrix and OSF/1 would have floored you :)
[11:20] <apokryphos> heh
[11:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: i once priced out OSF/1 for one of our smaller nodes, it worked out at about 15k, per year
[11:21] <apokryphos> yeouch
[11:21] <LinKage> ~[ PieD ] ~ ***SUBDIRS=/tmp/sk98IGOWgaQTlVFNaMWghOkYf/all: no such file or directory. STOP
[11:21] <nikkia> OSF/1 for our full cluster would have run around 1-2M
[11:21] <nikkia> per year
[11:21] <LinKage> Compiler error
[11:21] <PieD> LinKage: you really can't remove all that colors ?
[11:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: is it that good? :)
[11:22] <thoreauputic> LinKage: your text is unreadable
[11:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: its not 'cheap'
[11:22] <apokryphos> so I see
[11:22] <LinKage> give me a sec
[11:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: our VMS site license was about the same price tho, again, per year
[11:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: how big is the company? Or the branch
[11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: its important to remember with DEC, that all their prices were annual fees
[11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: this was when i worked for ICI
[11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i'm sure you've heard of them :P
[11:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: I haven't ;-)
[11:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: the cluster was about 50 nodes, mostly single CPU, but a few SMP beasts
[11:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think i told you the story about when oracle came to try and sell us their database
[11:24] <nikkia> they ended up quoting us a 90M price
[11:24] <LinKage> hello
[11:24] <LinKage> the line is: ***SUBDIRS=/tmp/sk98IGOWgaQTlVFNaMWghOkYf/all: no such file or directory. STOP
[11:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: Hah. What's that? You already have a better deal? Ok, thank you, I'll be off now
[11:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: I'd find it hard to seriously be some sort of proper salesman
[11:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: iirc, we used DEC's rdbm which we got a price cut on, because of our licenses for VMS
[11:27] <PieD> LinKage: sorry, I don't know why it does that :/
[11:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: so what was ICI?
[11:27] <LinKage> :(
[11:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: at one point, the largest chemical company in the world
[11:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: since i was there, they've mostly been sold to DuPont
[11:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: i think Dulux (ICI's paint division) and their fertiliser divisons are still around, and i imagine the 'plant that does not exist' is still part of ICI
[11:29] <apokryphos> "Every day, you see, touch, taste, smell or use products that have been made better thanks to ICI".  :P
[11:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: so what did you work on there?
[11:29] <nikkia> (the plant that does not exist was a section of an ICI chemical plant that officially wasn't there, it had lots of 'biohazard' signs, and armed army guys guarding it, i'll leave it to you to work out what happened there :)
[11:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: software
[11:30] <apokryphos> heh
[11:30] <apokryphos> so that's where they keep all the aliens
[11:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: the division i worked for (it was my work placement) produced monitoring and control software for various processes in industry, stuff like power stations, chemical plants, pharmacutical plants, etc
[11:31] <LinKage> PieD
[11:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, its where they made the WMD that the UK hasn't officially had since the 1950s - bioweapons and chemical weapons
[11:31] <LinKage> if choose 2 instead of 1 in the installation it gives a different error
[11:31] <LinKage> Check sk98lin driver availabilty (loaded)
[11:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: thought it could've been the place where all things thieves steal get put. Was wondering if I'd be able to recover my blue-shiny pen
[11:32] <slow-motion> hello
[11:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: it took a lot of guts to go on any part of the actual 'plant', tbh
[11:33] <apokryphos> nikkia: you went?
[11:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: they had these nuclear hardened shelter things that they'd park chemical trucks under, while they were filling them...
[11:33] <slow-motion> where has kde the splah-screens file?
[11:33] <nikkia> there were abour 20 such shelters around the plant that were 'scattered over about an acre around where it used to be'
[11:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: why exactly would the UK produce biological weapons, though?
[11:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'just in case'
[11:34] <apokryphos> nikkia: I can't seem them ever using them, really. In cases of "extreme measures" I'd always see them as going for more painless deaths
[11:35] <apokryphos> maybe the mindframe earlier was different
[11:35] <PieD> LinKage: what error exactly ?
[11:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: bio and chem are actually the most effective mass destruction there is, and if you are attacked, its 'useful' to have some way to retaliate in force
[11:35] <PieD> try :
[11:35] <PieD> rmmod sk98lin
[11:35] <PieD> sorry : sudo rmmod sk98lin
[11:36] <LinKage> in the same terminal ?
[11:36] <PieD> and then relaunch install.sh
[11:36] <PieD> yes
[11:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: how come? Though I'm sure that "chemical weapons" etc. is too broad. Probably different ones depending on what you're targetting
[11:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: ie, if russia ever used bio on us, which they'd said they gave up bio (but everyone suspected they hadn't, and they actually hadn't), then it would be expected to retaliate with the same method
[11:36] <apokryphos> humans/landmarks/both etc
[11:36] <LinKage> PieD it says that the module is in use?
[11:36] <LinKage> should i reboot?
[11:36] <LinKage> or how to kill it ?
[11:36] <_pa> bye all
[11:37] <PieD> surprising
[11:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: I really don't think they ever would, even now. I'd expect some large bomb to be dropped on their behind. Who knows.
[11:37] <LinKage> indeed
[11:37] <PieD> nikkia: I don't know how to deal with that issue, can you please help ?
[11:37] <nikkia> pied, not really
[11:37] <PieD> LinKage: then reboot
[11:38] <LinKage> ok
[11:38] <PieD> there must be way not to reboot
[11:38] <PieD> but I don't know them
[11:38] <LinKage> its ij 
[11:38] <LinKage> its ok 
[11:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: still though.. what does a normal biological weapon consist of? The ones they talked about around sep/11 seemed to vary
[11:38] <LinKage> just give me 60 seconds
[11:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: most feared were the ones that would just cause diseases that would slowly take your life away
[11:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: some sort of containment and vapor vessel containing 'germs'
[11:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: how you contain and vapor the particular germ varies, some would need cryo, some don't
[11:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: that could spread rapidly, I imagine? Contagious?
[11:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on the germs
[11:39] <apokryphos> sure
[11:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: there was a time in the 80s when everyone was trying to weaponise ebola
[11:40] <LinKage> PieD k booted
[11:40] <PieD> relaunch the installation
[11:40] <PieD> in expert mode too
[11:40] <LinKage> PieD should i do that first?  sudo rmmod sk98lin?
[11:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: one of the most deadly and nasty viruses known to man
[11:41] <apokryphos> nikkia: sounds mean
[11:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: it basically makes your cells break down, you bleed to death, mostly
[11:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: its only saving grace, is that its too deadly to be a real threat to mankind
[11:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: and to think that people would want to weaponise this... 
[11:42] <PieD> LinKage: that's useless
[11:42] <PieD> you can directly start the installer
[11:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: it actually would make the perfect bio weapon for a superpower type situation (its not so good for terrorists, but it'd still be effective), because it has a high (70-99% depending on strain) leathality, and it doesn't spread far
[11:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: the reason it doesn't spread far, is BECAUSE it is so deadly
[11:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: how long would it take for death after being infected?
[11:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on strain, but usually 2 days to a week
[11:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of that you are INCREDIBLY sick tho
[11:44] <LinKage> how to start the installer again ?
[11:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: Yes, not the perfect spreading virus then. Still. 
[11:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: description of what exactly happens to you, or has in some cases is really quite disturbing :S
[11:45] <PieD> LinKage: the same way you first started it
[11:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: most of the retro viruses are nasty like that :/
[11:45] <PieD> open a shell in the right folder
[11:45] <PieD> sudo ./install.sh
[11:45] <LinKage> ok
[11:45] <slow-motion> where has kde the splah-screens file?
[11:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, and airborne transmission is possible :|
[11:46] <LinKage> again the same thing it says that the availability of sk98lin is loaded
[11:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, there was a case a while back that showed signs of being airbourne
[11:46] <PieD> sudo rmmod sk98lin
[11:47] <LinKage> ERROR: Removing sk98lin : Device or resource busy
[11:48] <PieD> shit
[11:49] <PieD> I can't help you I'm too tired, please nikkia or somebody else help him... :/
[11:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: 100% success-rate vaccines, though?
[11:50] <PieD> ho, perhaps an idea
[11:50] <PieD> sudo rmmod -f sk98lin
[11:50] <LinKage> can some1 tell me where is the menu Network device support ?
[11:50] <PieD> (I hope nobody will slaps me :p)
[11:50] <PieD> LinKage: in the kernel configuration, you don't have to go there !
[11:50] <PieD> LinKage: so did you try sudo rmmod -f sk98lin ?
[11:51] <LinKage> no such file :S
[11:51] <PieD> ???
[11:51] <LinKage> no no 
[11:51] <LinKage> my bad
[11:52] <PieD> sudo rmmod -f sk98lin says no such file ?
[11:52] <LinKage> Device or resource busy
[11:54] <Yannick_R> hello
[11:54] <PieD> sudo rmmod -v sk98lin
[11:54] <Yannick_R> do you guys know if KDE 3.4.2 is going to come out soon in AMD64 ?
[11:55] <PieD> sudo lsmod | grep "sk98lin"
[11:55] <PieD> LinKage: do the last command I gave you
[11:55] <PieD> and copy here the results
[11:55] <slow-motion> where has kde the splah-screens files?
[11:56] <LinKage> rmmod sk98lin, wait=no and then again error removing sk98lin device or resource busy
[11:59] <PieD> LinKage: and the result of sudo lsmod | grep "sk98lin" ?
[12:00] <LinKage> just a number
[12:00] <LinKage> sk98lin 149216 0
[12:01] <PieD> I don't understand why it doesn't work !
[12:02] <PieD> sudo kate /etc/hotplug/blacklist
[12:02] <PieD> add at the end of the file the line :
[12:02] <PieD> sk98lin