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| mgalvin | hi all | 02:04 |
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| Burgundavia | salut mgalvin | 02:07 |
| Burgundavia | nice work on the faqguide | 02:07 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia: thnx, i am trying to make it easier to work on, it such a pain looking thru a 10000 line xml file | 02:13 |
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| Burgundavia | mgalvin, jerome and I were talking about the userguide last night | 02:15 |
| Burgundavia | hey thoreauputic | 02:15 |
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| thoreauputic | Burgundavia: just to elaborate on what I was saying - as a non-technical type I would like to know a non-technical way that one can contribute | 02:16 |
| Burgundavia | the wiki is probably the best way | 02:16 |
| thoreauputic | hmmm | 02:16 |
| Burgundavia | a lot of pages needs to be cleaned up to reflect ubuntu best practices | 02:16 |
| Burgundavia | gui over cli, etc. | 02:16 |
| Burgundavia | most of the wiki pages are too wordy | 02:17 |
| thoreauputic | well, I'm probably not aware of "best practices" - I know a bit about debian-style stuff | 02:17 |
| Burgundavia | basically, if there is a gui way, offer that | 02:17 |
| thoreauputic | but I'm just an intermediate user... | 02:17 |
| Burgundavia | Ubuntu uses sudo, so root stuff is right out | 02:17 |
| thoreauputic | yes I know that ;) | 02:18 |
| robotgeek | maybe we could just copy stuff over from ubuntuguide | 02:18 |
| Burgundavia | if we can write for your parents, we can write for anybody | 02:18 |
| Burgundavia | robotgeek, the ubuntguide is already the basis of the faqguide that mgalvin and rob stoffers are working on | 02:18 |
| robotgeek | yeah, the focus has to shift from RTFM, though sometimes, it wud help | 02:18 |
| Burgundavia | the ubuntuguide offers one solution to the problem | 02:19 |
| Burgundavia | sometimes it is not the best one | 02:19 |
| robotgeek | i liked the way gentoo articles work | 02:19 |
| Burgundavia | on their wiki? | 02:19 |
| thoreauputic | Burgundavia: I feel there should be a "first time druid" or similar that points people at documentation | 02:19 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia: so what were you and jerome discussing about the userguide? | 02:19 |
| robotgeek | i use them to setup debian machines | 02:19 |
| Burgundavia | mgalvin, pretty much that it can't be shipped and nobody is working on it | 02:19 |
| Burgundavia | thoreauputic, we are still hashing out the main yelp page | 02:20 |
| robotgeek | their wikis...they explain why we are doing and what we are doing | 02:20 |
| thoreauputic | Burgundavia: right - but the average punter won't even open yelp without a nice popup that says "Welcome to Ubuntu! Start here..." | 02:20 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 02:21 |
| robotgeek | correct... | 02:21 |
| Burgundavia | pretty much at this point the likely main page is the faqguide | 02:21 |
| Burgundavia | because after people graduate the faqguide, they are likely to be googling instead | 02:21 |
| thoreauputic | major questions: 1) multimedia 2)multimedia 3)sound 4) wifi ... and so forth | 02:22 |
| robotgeek | maybe we shud grep the irc logs? | 02:22 |
| Burgundavia | already did | 02:22 |
| thoreauputic | the repetition is intentional :) | 02:22 |
| Burgundavia | and ubotu reports what is common as well | 02:22 |
| thoreauputic | ah, good to know | 02:22 |
| Burgundavia | we pretty much know what people want/need | 02:23 |
| Burgundavia | we now need to decide how to deliver that | 02:24 |
| robotgeek | yeah, can help out a bit | 02:24 |
| thoreauputic | I would say aim at Aunt Tilly ;) | 02:24 |
| robotgeek | wrote some documentation for Adium before, not much though | 02:24 |
| Razor-X | is there any compiled list for stuff users need docs on? | 02:25 |
| Burgundavia | CategoryCleanup on the wiki lists pages that need help | 02:25 |
| Burgundavia | the other thing that is in the beginning stages is our QuickTour marketing guide | 02:26 |
| thoreauputic | I think the search function for the wiki needs to be more obvious | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | yes, that would be nice | 02:26 |
| thoreauputic | or rather, more emphasised, visually | 02:26 |
| Burgundavia | file a bug about it | 02:26 |
| thoreauputic | :) | 02:27 |
| thoreauputic | noted | 02:27 |
| Burgundavia | right now, we need help is just about every area | 02:27 |
| Burgundavia | so find something that interests you and do that | 02:27 |
| robotgeek | noted | 02:28 |
| Burgundavia | the doc team is pretty spread around the world, so you are likely to find someone in this channel at all times | 02:28 |
| Razor-X | I made a little script to automate MPlayer compilation for those who want all the codecs, or whose AAC is broken, or who want more than 2 GB file support | 02:28 |
| robotgeek | makes sense, if you just want it working | 02:29 |
| Burgundavia | if you want to cleanup up the mplayer stuff that would be great | 02:29 |
| Burgundavia | make a main mplayer page and link all the various mplayer things off of that | 02:30 |
| Razor-X | hmmm, nice idea | 02:30 |
| Burgundavia | I don't know that any of doc team uses mplayer | 02:30 |
| Razor-X | also, I'll put the Cedega automated install method up | 02:30 |
| Razor-X | I use VLC and MPlayer, so that's where I can help | 02:31 |
| mgalvin | Burgundavia: has there been any discussion about which docs we will be including? | 02:31 |
| Burgundavia | remember that Ubuntu best practices is to promote existing solutions | 02:31 |
| Burgundavia | so totem and rb are them | 02:31 |
| robotgeek | i'll just have to find what i like. :) | 02:31 |
| Burgundavia | mgalvin, aside from the faqguide and maybe the quicktour, is anything else going to be ready? | 02:31 |
| mgalvin | i want to start getting the deb package ready too | 02:31 |
| mgalvin | not that i know of | 02:32 |
| mgalvin | ok, so i will only include those few things for now | 02:32 |
| Burgundavia | quicktour is not even in svn yet | 02:32 |
| mgalvin | right, i am just going to include the faqguide then for now as a first step, since the existing deb package doesn't even currently work | 02:33 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 02:33 |
| Razor-X | are there any plans to create an Enlightenment based Ubuntu distribution? | 02:40 |
| robotgeek | enlightenment is full of eye-candy!! | 02:41 |
| Razor-X | meh | 02:41 |
| Razor-X | yeah, it is | 02:41 |
| robotgeek | i liked what i saw, but too slow on mine... | 02:41 |
| robotgeek | but why do u need whole distro? | 02:41 |
| Razor-X | like Kubuntu | 02:43 |
| Razor-X | Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Eubuntu (possibly) | 02:43 |
| thoreauputic | Razor-X: Eubuntu sounds too much like "Ewwww... Ubuntu " ;-) | 02:44 |
| Razor-X | meh ;) | 02:44 |
| thoreauputic | Enlightened Ubuntu perhaps :) | 02:44 |
| Razor-X | heh, yeah | 02:44 |
| Burgundavia | not current | 02:45 |
| Burgundavia | and eubuntu is too close to edubuntu | 02:45 |
| Razor-X | yeah, I was thinking that | 02:45 |
| robotgeek | i still don't understand why we need separate ubuntu/kubuntu | 02:45 |
| robotgeek | anyone can explain? | 02:45 |
| Burgundavia | they are not really seperate | 02:45 |
| Burgundavia | same repos | 02:45 |
| Razor-X | I like Kubuntu a lot, actually | 02:45 |
| Burgundavia | it is more marketing | 02:45 |
| Razor-X | I've been a KDE fan for a long time, I didn't want to bother with Gnome | 02:46 |
| Razor-X | and I _love_ the document viewers in KDE | 02:46 |
| Razor-X | (like KPDF and KDVI) | 02:46 |
| Razor-X | oh yeah, and any note when URW Palladio is going to get fixed? | 02:46 |
| robotgeek | use kdm, but gnome with openbox | 02:46 |
| Burgundavia | evince is better | 02:46 |
| Razor-X | does evince allow continuous facing pages? | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 02:47 |
| Razor-X | hmmm, nice | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | evince is also going to do javascript stuff eventually | 02:47 |
| Razor-X | they use the same rendering engine, i'm told | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | don't know if kpdf has switched yet | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | but yes, they do | 02:47 |
| Burgundavia | poppler, a freedesktop project | 02:47 |
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| mgalvin | Burgundavia: was any specifc ubuntu-doc install location discussed or do you think just putting everything in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/* (as html) seems fine? | 03:25 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 03:26 |
| Burgundavia | best ask the list | 03:26 |
| mgalvin | k | 03:27 |
| cat | listen how can i help ubuntu | 03:29 |
| mgalvin | what do you want to help with? | 03:30 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 03:40 |
| Madpilot | hi | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, ping? | 03:41 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, pong | 03:42 |
| Burgundavia | salut Madpilot | 03:42 |
| Madpilot | meh - Freenode doesn't seem to be reporting "last active @ <time>" anymore when you do whois... | 03:42 |
| Madpilot | hi Burgundavia | 03:42 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, did you receive an email from claire? | 03:42 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I did | 03:43 |
| jsgotangco | ahh goodie | 03:43 |
| Burgundavia | fedex contacted my gf (to whose workplace I am shippping the laptop) and said that there were customs fees | 03:43 |
| Burgundavia | I am getting a Toshiba Tecra A5 | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | im getting a Tecra M2 | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | which is smaller? | 03:44 |
| Madpilot | is Canonical absorbing the customs fee, or are you folks on the hook for that bit? | 03:44 |
| mgalvin | hey jsgotangco | 03:44 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, good question | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, no idea | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | hey mgalvin | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | I emailed claire about it | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | we can ask claire on that | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | oh did she reply? | 03:45 |
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| Burgundavia | not yet | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | our appear to be about the same | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | well i have no clue at the moment if i'll be charged customs fee because mine is expected to arrive on the 17th | 03:45 |
| Burgundavia | yours might be more powerful | 03:46 |
| Burgundavia | she said the 17th for everybody | 03:46 |
| Burgundavia | mine might arrive tomorrow | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | ah | 03:46 |
| mgalvin | where is my laptop ;) | 03:46 |
| mgalvin | so you guys are getting laptops for the testing work right? | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | unfortunately, yes | 03:47 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:47 |
| Burgundavia | toshibas are nice laptops though | 03:47 |
| mgalvin | cool | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | indeed | 03:47 |
| jsgotangco | it should work out of the box though | 03:47 |
| Madpilot | yeah, but they've got to babysit XP installs on them - Burgundavia's already been complaining about that! ;) | 03:47 |
| Burgundavia | I am counting the days | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | i dont mind, an M2 has a geforce 2go | 03:48 |
| Madpilot | 18 months of XP, right? | 03:48 |
| mgalvin | i just bought a new one for myself, i can't wait to get it, but i know getting ubuntu on it is going to be a battle | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | mine is ati | 03:48 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | mgalvin, what brand? | 03:48 |
| mgalvin | hp nx6125, the new one with the AMD Turion 64 chip in it | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=1&product=4592 | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | that is what i am geting | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.toshiba.ca/web/product.grp?lg=en§ion=1&group=1&product=4196 | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | that is what jsgotangco is getting | 03:49 |
| Burgundavia | the next model to be exact | 03:49 |
| mgalvin | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?Sku=H24-PZ092%20SB | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | wonder how many laptops were purchased | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | i dont see any M2 | 03:50 |
| Burgundavia | yours has bluetooth, mine does not | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | ok that's one more thing to test | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | and i dont have a bluetooth phone | 03:51 |
| jsgotangco | hmm you're getting a widescreen | 03:51 |
| Burgundavia | both have slots for cards | 03:51 |
| Burgundavia | nope | 03:51 |
| Burgundavia | 14" | 03:51 |
| Burgundavia | yours has tpm on it, mine does ot | 03:52 |
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| Burgundavia | salut rob^ | 03:52 |
| Burgundavia | they are very similar laptops | 03:52 |
| jsgotangco | err we seem to have a big number here at the moment, do we continue with the meeting later or postpone it? | 03:52 |
| mgalvin | hey rob^ | 03:52 |
| rob^ | hi Burgundavia | 03:53 |
| rob^ | hey mgalvin | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | meeting? | 03:53 |
| rob^ | what time is it? | 03:53 |
| jsgotangco | DocteamMeetingAgenda | 03:53 |
| Burgundavia | isn't it tomorrow>? | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | let me check | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | August 11 | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | ubuntumeeting says 11th | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | let's just move it | 03:54 |
| Burgundavia | to right now? | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 03:54 |
| jsgotangco | sure just a lightning meeting would proabably do | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | or just move it for tommorow? | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | guys? | 03:55 |
| rob^ | now is better for me | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | let me check the agenda | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | right now is better for me | 03:55 |
| rob^ | I'm on shift for the next few days.. | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, there's not much on the agenda | 03:55 |
| mgalvin | i guess i can hang around a little longer for it | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:55 |
| Burgundavia | sure, why don't we meet quickly now | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | sure let's move then | 03:56 |
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| Madpilot | can people who just happen to be here at the right time sit in on the meeting? | 03:56 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 03:56 |
| jsgotangco | its open anyways | 03:56 |
| Madpilot | ubuntu-meeting, right? | 03:57 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 03:57 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch, thanks for the help on the Quicktour layout | 04:15 |
| jeffsch | np | 04:15 |
| jsgotangco | ok anything more, it seems we have coveredgood for a quickie | 04:28 |
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| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, I am going to wait for your brain dump on QuickTourDraft before i start refactoring | 04:32 |
| jsgotangco | ok but i can't do that right now, i'm going to the dentist later | 04:32 |
| Burgundavia | np | 04:32 |
| jeffsch | re: meeting times - maybe instead of two alternating times, would three be better? | 04:33 |
| rob^ | maybe | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | what would be the other time? | 04:33 |
| rob^ | I just wish it was on the friday instead of the thursday | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | Thursday 22UTC is Friday morning for us | 04:33 |
| rob^ | then it wouldn't matter much for me | 04:33 |
| jeffsch | yeah, friday is good | 04:33 |
| jsgotangco | but if we move to friday, it'll be better for me an rob | 04:34 |
| rob^ | as in friday 1400z | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | because it would be a weekend for us | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 04:34 |
| rob^ | yep | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | friday 22UTC is morning for us on saturday | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | which is acceptable | 04:34 |
| Burgundavia | I am not adverse to moving to friday | 04:34 |
| jsgotangco | sure friday seems favorable to all of us | 04:35 |
| rob^ | yeah I dont mind a 2am meeting if I dont have to get up for work the next day | 04:35 |
| jsgotangco | on the 26th then? | 04:36 |
| rob^ | man, I have to work out time zones for a job.. | 04:36 |
| rob^ | I'm having a real brain fart today | 04:36 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=8&day=10&year=2005&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 | 04:36 |
| Burgundavia | check out that | 04:36 |
| Madpilot | thanks Burgundavia | 04:37 |
| Madpilot | anyone know if there's a timezone app in the repos? | 04:37 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 04:37 |
| jsgotangco | ok how does Aug. 26 14UTC sound | 04:38 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 04:38 |
| rob^ | ok I'm going to sleep before work tonight | 04:38 |
| rob^ | umm night all | 04:38 |
| jsgotangco | ok Aug. 26 14UTC it is | 04:38 |
| rob^ | :) | 04:38 |
| Burgundavia | 04:38 | |
| Burgundavia | sorry, playing with random utf-8 character from spam I recieve | 04:39 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: :) | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | err is that ok? | 04:39 |
| jeffsch | yep | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, toronto right | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | ? | 04:39 |
| jeffsch | vancouver | 04:39 |
| jsgotangco | ok 7am then | 04:40 |
| jeffsch | yep | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | jeffsch, question | 04:40 |
| jeffsch | shoot | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | why does the styleguide pdf script doesn't work | 04:40 |
| jeffsch | !!!!! | 04:40 |
| jeffsch | i didn't know that... I take a look right away | 04:40 |
| jsgotangco | i stole those scripts for edubuntu btw | 04:41 |
| jeffsch | np | 04:41 |
| Madpilot | cool, there is a timezone app in Hoary repos - sunclock - does a bunch of other stuff too | 04:41 |
| mgalvin | i commited the ubuntu-docs packaging changes so if anyone can take a look at some point that would be great | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | jsg@pingu:~/ubuntu-doc/styleguide$ make pdf | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | xmllint --dtdvalid /usr/share/xml/docbook/schema/dtd/4.3/docbookx.dtd --noout --xinclude --noent --postvalid styleguide.xml | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | xsltproc -o ../build/styleguide/styleguide.fo udp-pdf.xslt styleguide.xml | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | Making portrait pages on USletter paper (8.5inx11in) | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | fop.sh -fo ../build/styleguide/styleguide.fo -pdf ../build/styleguide/styleguide.pdf | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | make: fop.sh: Command not found | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | make: *** [pdf] Error 127 | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | ooopps | 04:41 |
| jsgotangco | sorry | 04:41 |
| jeffsch | ahhh.... you don't have apache fop installed | 04:42 |
| mgalvin | i commented out the old stuff(for now) just incase we need it for something at some point | 04:42 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: apache fop is needed to build the pdf's | 04:42 |
| jsgotangco | i have to install apache? | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | jezz | 04:43 |
| mgalvin | rob^: while working on the faqguide, please feel free to finish splitting into pieces | 04:43 |
| jeffsch | no, not apache. | 04:43 |
| rob^ | mgalvin, yeah :) | 04:43 |
| jeffsch | apache has more than the web server | 04:43 |
| rob^ | ok gtg to bed | 04:43 |
| jsgotangco | i dont think we have that on the repos | 04:43 |
| jeffsch | just a sec, i will find the link... | 04:43 |
| rob^ | cya's | 04:43 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: it's not in the repos, you can only get it from the apache web site | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | and the make html doesn't include the images | 04:44 |
| mgalvin | later rob^ | 04:44 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: http://xml.apache.org/fop/ | 04:44 |
| jsgotangco | i see | 04:45 |
| jsgotangco | i was furiously lookfing for fop.sh | 04:46 |
| jeffsch | jsgotangco: the makefile in styleguide folder is only good for pdf... it is there for that only | 04:46 |
| jeffsch | I should revise it someday. To build the html, use the same make file as the other docs | 04:47 |
| jeffsch | in ubuntu-doc/gnome, type make sg | 04:47 |
| jsgotangco | ok i will try that | 04:48 |
| jeffsch | when can we move our previews to the linode server? | 04:50 |
| Madpilot | somebody was asking how many laptops Canonical was shipping out - it's quite a list: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam | 04:51 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot, i dont think everyone in that list got one | 04:51 |
| Madpilot | wondered about that - that's a lot of lappies to give away! | 04:52 |
| Burgundavia | quite a few did | 04:52 |
| mgalvin | g'night guys, c y'all later | 04:55 |
| jeffsch | latervdude | 04:55 |
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| jsgotangco | Madpilot, its not free hehe we had to sign an ageement but after 3 releases, its ours | 05:13 |
| jsgotangco | a year and a half to be exact | 05:13 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I know how the deail works - 3 releases and babysitting XP too? | 05:14 |
| jsgotangco | its not so bad...heh games on XP are nice :) | 05:14 |
| Madpilot | ... and you'll be able to stay abreast of all the exciting developments in spyware, malware & viruses, too! ;) | 05:15 |
| Burgundavia | I will be able to play Dunegon Seige again | 05:16 |
| Burgundavia | blah | 05:16 |
| Burgundavia | my girlfriend confirmed that if I pay the customs, I should be able to have it tomorrow | 05:16 |
| Madpilot | cool - but what's the customs damage going to be? | 05:17 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 05:17 |
| jsgotangco | oh so you have it already | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | i mean so its there already | 05:22 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia, better wait for claire's resonse | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | I intend to | 05:23 |
| jsgotangco | let me check my tracking number | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | as she starts work at 2am my time, shouldn't be an issue | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | hmm, my tracking number spits out not found | 05:25 |
| jsgotangco | mine too | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | hmm | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | I tried Canada and the UK | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | same here i also tried UK | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | TNT express? | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.tnt.com/tntgroup/en_corporate.html | 05:26 |
| jsgotangco | sure just check on TNT express | 05:27 |
| Burgundavia | I did | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | have you got anything? | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | my guess is that the consignment number is not yet in the system | 05:28 |
| jsgotangco | but its strange if your machine is already in canada | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | it should be | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | mine is not yet in Canada, or on the easy coast | 05:29 |
| jsgotangco | maybe we only have a number that is not yet in the system | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | could be | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i encountered that as well in ups some time ago | 05:30 |
| jsgotangco | i wasnt charged by customs on the zaurus that was given to me | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | canonical gave you a zaurus? | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | no | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | that was a long long time ago | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | oh | 05:32 |
| jsgotangco | that was during my active time in OpenZaurus | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | fedex spits up nothing for me either | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, please do that brain dump so I can continue working | 05:35 |
| jsgotangco | give me an hour, i'm going to leave in 30 minutes | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | ok | 05:36 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 05:38 |
| Burgundavia | http://sunsite.bilkent.edu.tr/pub/linux/www.kde.org/ | 06:26 |
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| Madpilot | just doing some wiki cleanup | 07:13 |
| Madpilot | there are THREE PHP5 pages right now | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5FromSource | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5Installation | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PHP5Installation2 | 07:14 |
| Madpilot | can someone who knows PHP5 & the whole install-from-source drill go thru them and take them down to one page, with redirects? | 07:17 |
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| Madpilot | OK, I"ve just added a note to all three PHP5 pages, and linked them all to ApacheMySQLPHP for ppl who actually want PHP4... | 07:47 |
| Burgundavia | welcome to the fun of CamelCase | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | THings with two caps in a row must be explicitly linked | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | ["like this'] | 07:49 |
| Burgundavia | ["like this"] | 07:49 |
| Madpilot | ack, shite, I see what you mean. back to editing | 07:49 |
| Madpilot | <mutter, mutter, mutter> | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | alrady did it | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | [" is terrible way to link | 07:50 |
| Madpilot | on all three PHP5 pages? | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | [[ is much easier | 07:50 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:50 |
| Madpilot | OK, done - but editing on top of each other gets messy... | 07:53 |
| Burgundavia | I just asked on #moin about why [" was chosen | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | I really want to drop camelcase and force explict linking, with [[ | 07:54 |
| Madpilot | wikipedia is [[thing] ] , right? | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | CamelCase is actually less intuitive than [[ | 07:54 |
| Burgundavia | because CamelCase falls down in corner cases like this one | 07:55 |
| Madpilot | plus you get odd unwanted pseudo-links sometimes - OpenOffice.org turns into a fake link, for example | 07:55 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 07:55 |
| Burgundavia | and then you need ugly hacky code to prevent it | 07:55 |
| Madpilot | is there a way to force Moin to *not* CamelCase-link? | 07:56 |
| Burgundavia | I think so | 07:57 |
| Burgundavia | no idea how | 07:57 |
| Madpilot | it would be useful w/ OpenOffice.org - right now every time that gets mentioned, the wiki looks... less than competent | 07:58 |
| Burgundavia | if I had control over the wiki, CamelCase would already have been dropped | 07:58 |
| Burgundavia | mind you, we would also have been running mediawiki | 07:59 |
| Burgundavia | which is designed for presentation docs | 07:59 |
| Madpilot | why doesn't U run mediawiki? it's just as Free as Moin, AFAIK | 08:00 |
| Burgundavia | because it is PHP | 08:00 |
| Burgundavia | and Canonical has no PHP expertise | 08:01 |
| Madpilot | what's the backend to Moin? | 08:01 |
| Burgundavia | python | 08:03 |
| Burgundavia | moin has 2 things going for it: speed and python | 08:03 |
| Madpilot | ah, OK. Fair enough for Canonical, anyway. | 08:04 |
| Burgundavia | for everything else, mediawiki kics the crap out of it | 08:04 |
| cat | hey people | 08:04 |
| Madpilot | hi | 08:04 |
| cat | hey to help aroound on the project what do i have to do? | 08:04 |
| Burgundavia | the wiki is a good place to start | 08:05 |
| Madpilot | sign up at the wiki, find a page that needs some help! | 08:05 |
| cat | oh ok | 08:05 |
| Burgundavia | CategoryCleanup is a good place to start on the wiki | 08:05 |
| cat | Burgundavia, ? | 08:06 |
| Madpilot | cat https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup | 08:07 |
| Burgundavia | cat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryCleanup | 08:07 |
| cat | ok | 08:09 |
| cat | so when i picked a category what do i do? | 08:09 |
| Burgundavia | find a page in that category and fix it | 08:09 |
| cat | i'm sorry i'm kind of slow, | 08:10 |
| cat | =) | 08:10 |
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| Burgundavia | that page lists other pages | 08:10 |
| Burgundavia | all those pages need help in one way or another | 08:10 |
| cat | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/3Ware9xxxAsRoot?highlight=%28CategoryDocumentation%29 | 08:10 |
| cat | i'm there | 08:10 |
| cat | i don't really see no other links | 08:10 |
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| Burgundavia | the category page lists pages taht need cleanup[ | 08:11 |
| Burgundavia | cat, you don't need to click on the first link | 08:12 |
| Burgundavia | scroll down and pick something that you know about and that interests you | 08:12 |
| cat | oh ok, | 08:13 |
| cat | is there something else i can do? | 08:15 |
| Burgundavia | you can pull down the svn stuff and start hacking on our docbook | 08:16 |
| cat | where? | 08:16 |
| Madpilot | write a new wiki page for something the wiki doesn't have but should? | 08:16 |
| Burgundavia | the wiki is much much easier to get started on | 08:17 |
| cat | oh | 08:17 |
| cat | well like helping around packaging reporting bugs | 08:17 |
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| Madpilot | bugzilla.ubuntu.com for bugs | 08:17 |
| Burgundavia | if you want to help with non-doc stuff, #ubuntu-love can help you with that | 08:17 |
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| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: have you seen the lycoris page? | 08:55 |
| Burgundavia | no, got a link? | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | http://www.lycoris.com/products/desktoplx/desktop/ | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | this was before they got bought by mandriva | 08:56 |
| jsgotangco | check out the flow of features | 08:56 |
| Burgundavia | opening gets you a submenu? | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | well yeah its kinda dumb, but i wanted you to see how they wrote it | 08:57 |
| Burgundavia | way too much clicking | 08:57 |
| jsgotangco | no not really on the presentation, its more on how they wrote it | 08:58 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 08:58 |
| jsgotangco | so basically this is a tour of their features | 08:58 |
| Madpilot | I see Lycoris has gone the MS "My <everything>" route too... ;) | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | but we don't intend to be that specific unless we are making a marketing brochure | 08:59 |
| jsgotangco | Madpilot: this was years ago | 08:59 |
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| jsgotangco | Madpilot: they used to be called Redmond Linux | 08:59 |
| Madpilot | jsgotangco: interesting... still, the basic brochure style has some nice features | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | I find it massively click happy | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | takes too much effort to read | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | and their screenshots suck | 09:00 |
| Madpilot | yeah, there isn't enough on each page - but the tone & basic copy is nice | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:00 |
| Burgundavia | their screenshots provide no context | 09:01 |
| Madpilot | in terms of the whole desktop, you mean? | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | the menu ones are the worst | 09:02 |
| Burgundavia | I am left asking, where in the menu is this? | 09:02 |
| Madpilot | they've been cropped down too much - and whatever tree/popout structure they've got isn't visible | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | here is another stupid thing | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | all their titles are verbs | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.lycoris.com/products/desktoplx/menu/pictures.php | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | until you hit that page | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | Creative is now a verb | 09:03 |
| Burgundavia | got productive their as well | 09:04 |
| Burgundavia | ok, I take that back, it is worse | 09:04 |
| Burgundavia | they are a mix of some verbs and some adjectives | 09:04 |
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| Burgundavia | it looks bad | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | choose one and stick with it | 09:05 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, T43? not bad | 09:07 |
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| Madpilot | no mono in Breezy yet, then? | 09:09 |
| jsgotangco | T43? | 09:11 |
| jsgotangco | IBM? | 09:11 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, just muine borked | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yes | 09:12 |
| jsgotangco | mdke should have gotten the biggest laptop since he's just in london :) | 09:12 |
| Burgundavia | he did | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | 6 pounds to our 6 | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | 5 | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | mine is the lightest at just under 5, yours is 5.3 | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | im subscribing to gnome-doc | 09:13 |
| jsgotangco | it seems too quiet | 09:13 |
| Burgundavia | it is very very very quiet | 09:14 |
| jsgotangco | stir up the natives? | 09:14 |
| Madpilot | cue the creepy music? | 09:14 |
| Burgundavia | the only sounds are the big guns off shore, firing the string change notices | 09:15 |
| jsgotangco | its not that quiet at least Luis responds over there | 09:15 |
| Burgundavia | the only thing deader than gnome-doc is ubuntu-ca | 09:19 |
| mdke | :) | 09:23 |
| mdke | what have you guys got? | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, I got a Toshiba Tecra a5 and jsgotangco got a Toshiba Tecra M2 | 09:23 |
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| mdke | what are they like? | 09:23 |
| Burgundavia | very similar | 09:24 |
| mdke | i have a heck of a lot of debugging to do ;) | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | lighter | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, has bluetooth | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | mine is a full pound lighter than yours | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | 14" screens | 09:24 |
| mdke | ah | 09:24 |
| mdke | well mine isn't too heavy, i quite like it | 09:24 |
| mdke | it's sexy | 09:24 |
| Burgundavia | mine is only 5 lbs | 09:25 |
| Burgundavia | you have a fingerprint reader in yours | 09:25 |
| mdke | yes | 09:26 |
| mdke | but it's a pile of shit | 09:26 |
| mdke | i get 3 tries for the power on password and it never reads my finger that quick | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | whoa | 09:27 |
| mdke | ;) | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | you already got yours eh | 09:27 |
| mdke | ratio is about 1 in 5 | 09:27 |
| mdke | yes it arrived yesterday | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | neat | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | mine comes tomorrow | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | did you jump for joy? | 09:27 |
| mdke | hoary doesn't work too well on it | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: dont fret you'll have windows in it for 3 releases | 09:27 |
| Burgundavia | ironically, hoary worked better than colony 2 on my fathers laptop | 09:27 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: tracking works? | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, no, but fedex told my gf that it will be victoria tomorrow | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | fedex? | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | thought it was TNT | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | tnt doesn't exist in NA | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | ohh | 09:28 |
| Burgundavia | I assume they partner with fedex here | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | TNT is big over here | 09:28 |
| jsgotangco | along with UPS | 09:29 |
| mdke | i like mine, but the one thing I really can't stand is laptops that put their function key on the left of the Ctrl key | 09:29 |
| mdke | grrrr | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | i dont like IBMs at all | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | i like touchpads | 09:29 |
| mdke | this has a touchpad | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | and thinkpads have this useless LED on top of the lid that is supposed to illuminate the keyboard | 09:29 |
| mdke | yes it has that | 09:29 |
| jsgotangco | yeah its uselss the LCD is too bright | 09:30 |
| mdke | heh | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, scorched 39 out today | 09:30 |
| jsgotangco | so you are 1 happy campter heh | 09:30 |
| Burgundavia | do we have any idea who else got a laptop? | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | robitaille? | 09:31 |
| mdke | loads of people i think | 09:31 |
| jsgotangco | dholbach | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | seb | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | ogra | 09:32 |
| jsgotangco | hmm | 09:32 |
| mdke | where is the list? | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia: cool. is it going to make breezy? | 09:32 |
| mdke | how stupid do you have to be to put the function key on the left of the ctrl key | 09:32 |
| mdke | argh! | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56027 | 09:33 |
| Burgundavia | coolshould | 09:33 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: thinkpads are nicely supported on kde though with the keybindings | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | this list? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam | 09:33 |
| mdke | Madpilot, i think that is the list of applicants rather than the list of successful applicants | 09:33 |
| mdke | unless it has been tidied since yesterday | 09:34 |
| jsgotangco | we'll probably receive a test list when everything has been shipped | 09:34 |
| Madpilot | ah, OK, I just tripped over it in the wiki earlier this evening | 09:34 |
| mdke | hmm since installing hoary I can't get into the rescue partition any more | 09:35 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, you can contact ibm and get cds | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, they don't ship them by default | 09:37 |
| mdke | i made cd's | 09:37 |
| mdke | i've been there before ;) | 09:37 |
| jsgotangco | is that a lenovo? | 09:37 |
| Burgundavia | it is now | 09:38 |
| rob^ | hmm our svn repo is about 200mb | 09:38 |
| jsgotangco | it is | 09:38 |
| Burgundavia | that includes 2 upstream vendor drops | 09:39 |
| rob^ | just burning a copy to cd to take to work soon | 09:39 |
| rob^ | kde's svn repo for its docs is only around 10mb | 09:40 |
| jsgotangco | hmm there's nothing on tv except korean dramas | 09:41 |
| mdke | jeez hardly anything works on this laptop | 09:41 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, take a look at that forum link I just posted | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | k | 09:41 |
| mdke | is there a team meeting tonight? | 09:41 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: we had a quickie meeting a few hours ago | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | :) | 09:42 |
| mdke | eh? | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | sorry i didnt say earlier | 09:42 |
| jsgotangco | almost everyone was online | 09:42 |
| mdke | ok | 09:42 |
| mdke | perhaps planning would be an idea for the future | 09:42 |
| mdke | will someone do a summary? | 09:43 |
| rob^ | w00t! McGrath is playing in the third test! | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: nice | 09:43 |
| mdke | rob^, noooo | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: we just discussed what's the project status for people involved | 09:43 |
| mdke | cheating aussie bastards | 09:43 |
| rob^ | our butts are saved! | 09:43 |
| jsgotangco | cricket? | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yes. it also shows how we misleading the breezygoals page is | 09:43 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, yes | 09:43 |
| rob^ | aha | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, even an ignorant Canuck knows that | 09:44 |
| mdke | ok jsgotangco but a meeting is needed which discusses the Yelp frontpage sooner or later, i also want to discuss what will become of the userguide | 09:44 |
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| rob^ | still have the normal meeting this week then | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: this is full of erroneous info | 09:44 |
| Burgundavia | jsgotangco, did you see my post below? | 09:45 |
| mdke | rob^, it's a bit late notice... | 09:45 |
| rob^ | yeah | 09:45 |
| rob^ | I was only here before for it by chance | 09:45 |
| mdke | that's np, but its a bit late notice for a full meeting | 09:45 |
| rob^ | yeah | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: we can arrange a quickie next week then | 09:46 |
| rob^ | I wont be here if you did | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | besides we have less than a month to go before freeze | 09:46 |
| Burgundavia | a specific meeting about the yelp front page? | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | good idea | 09:46 |
| mdke | next week sounds good | 09:46 |
| rob^ | early in the week maybe? | 09:46 |
| jsgotangco | sure | 09:46 |
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| rob^ | come on stupid cd, I'm going to be late for work | 09:47 |
| mdke | rob^, back to the cricket, you cheating aussies have clearly done that on purpose | 09:47 |
| rob^ | yeah, well we had to at least let you think you were in for a chance | 09:47 |
| mdke | like we did last week ;) | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | cricket is a cheater's game? | 09:48 |
| rob^ | making it intresting | 09:48 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, only for aussies | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | only if the aussies play it | 09:48 |
| jsgotangco | lol | 09:48 |
| Burgundavia | how else you can explain 60 years unbroken winning at the ashes? | 09:48 |
| rob^ | skill | 09:49 |
| mdke | 15 years | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | how about august 17? | 09:49 |
| Madpilot | Burgundavia has been spending too much time on the BBC website... | 09:49 |
| Burgundavia | Madpilot, still the best news out there | 09:49 |
| rob^ | and the bad sports poms won't even let us take the trophy home | 09:49 |
| jsgotangco | August 17 14UTC for special docteam meeting on Front Page finalization? | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | sure | 09:51 |
| Burgundavia | gets me up early | 09:51 |
| rob^ | midnight sunday | 09:51 |
| rob^ | nah, its ok I have a long weekend | 09:51 |
| rob^ | might be a bit drunk though, wifes birthday party that night :) | 09:52 |
| mdke | dude august the 17 is a wednesday | 09:52 |
| rob^ | oops, I thought it said 14 | 09:53 |
| Burgundavia | 14:00 utc | 09:53 |
| rob^ | heh my mistake | 09:53 |
| mdke | check out how many things aren't working on my laptop with hoary | 09:53 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MatthewEast/LaptopTestingHoary?action=show | 09:53 |
| rob^ | yeah thats ok, I'll be out of town though so I wont be here | 09:53 |
| mdke | rob^, np a lot of the groundwork has been done by email | 09:54 |
| rob^ | yeah | 09:54 |
| rob^ | righto, gotta go to work now :...( | 09:54 |
| mdke | bye | 09:55 |
| mdke | will think of you during the cricket | 09:55 |
| rob^ | I'll be watching it at work | 09:55 |
| rob^ | :) | 09:55 |
| mdke | bad thoughts... | 09:55 |
| rob^ | at least I'm getting paid to watch it... | 09:56 |
| mdke | :p | 09:56 |
| mdke | yeah that is cool | 09:56 |
| Burgundavia | mdke, did you shrink your windows partition with the hoary installer? | 09:56 |
| rob^ | bye! | 09:56 |
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| mdke_ | gah | 10:01 |
| mdke_ | what did i miss | 10:01 |
| HrdwrBoB | everything | 10:01 |
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| Burgundavia | mdke, did you shrink your windows partition with the hoary installer? | 10:01 |
| mdke | Burgundavia, yes | 10:01 |
| Burgundavia | how did that go? | 10:01 |
| mdke | ok i think, windows works | 10:02 |
| Burgundavia | well, night all | 10:03 |
| Burgundavia | job search tomorrow | 10:03 |
| mdke | night | 10:03 |
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| jsgotangco | mdke: our quickie meetings are nothing compared to the quiickies of edubuntu meetings | 10:34 |
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| jsgotangco | brb | 11:00 |
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| jjesse | morning | 02:11 |
| jjesse | did i miss the meeting again? | 02:12 |
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| mgalvin | g'morning all | 03:20 |
| highvoltage | goodmorning | 03:24 |
| jjesse | moring mgalvin | 03:56 |
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| robitaille | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda August 26th is a Friday, not a Thursday. So is the next DocTeam meeting on the 25th or the 26th? | 05:18 |
| jjesse | depends on what time zone you are in? | 05:21 |
| robitaille | "Thursday, the 26th of August, 2005 at 14:00 UTC". Usually docteam meetings are on Thursday...must be a typo on the date | 05:22 |
| jjesse | hmm just noticed that | 05:23 |
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| mgalvin | is there still a need for the release notes doc since we are going to have the quick tour? | 09:07 |
| mgalvin | i was looking through it with the intention of updating it, but a lot of the stuff in the release notes will be in the quick tour(which also looks a LOT nicer) | 09:09 |
| mgalvin | thoughts? | 09:09 |
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| mgalvin | mpt: ping | 09:10 |
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| jjesse | mgalvin: hasn't been much said here for a long time :) | 09:53 |
| mgalvin | ghost town | 09:54 |
| jjesse | mgalvin: can i ask a simple question? in authors my name is spelled in correctly, i would like to create a new file and remove the mispelled file | 10:09 |
| jjesse | how do i do this? | 10:09 |
| mgalvin | jjesse: you can just - svn move mispelled correct | 10:12 |
| mgalvin | then make sure any docs that use the mispelled file now point at the correctly spelled file | 10:12 |
| jjesse | ok i'll work on it | 10:13 |
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| mgalvin | hey rob^ | 10:47 |
| rob^ | hey | 10:48 |
| mgalvin | i'll try and find some time when i get home to break out some more sections | 10:48 |
| rob^ | the faq guide is all yours for the next 10 hours | 10:49 |
| mgalvin | k, cool | 10:49 |
| rob^ | cool | 10:49 |
| mgalvin | i got the deb package all set too, hopefully we can start getting ubuntu-doc seeded into breezy soon | 10:51 |
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| mgalvin | later all | 11:04 |
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| mpt | Who here is running Breezy? | 12:04 |
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