=== avanspronsen [n=andrewv@Toronto-HSE-ppp3866886.sympatico.ca] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-50-46.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-240-53.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:04] hi all [02:07] salut mgalvin [02:07] nice work on the faqguide [02:13] Burgundavia: thnx, i am trying to make it easier to work on, it such a pain looking thru a 10000 line xml file === robotgeek [n=robotgee@c-67-173-212-201.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-069.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:15] mgalvin, jerome and I were talking about the userguide last night [02:15] hey thoreauputic === Razor-X [n=user@user-11fa9ie.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:16] Burgundavia: just to elaborate on what I was saying - as a non-technical type I would like to know a non-technical way that one can contribute [02:16] the wiki is probably the best way [02:16] hmmm [02:16] a lot of pages needs to be cleaned up to reflect ubuntu best practices [02:16] gui over cli, etc. [02:17] most of the wiki pages are too wordy [02:17] well, I'm probably not aware of "best practices" - I know a bit about debian-style stuff [02:17] basically, if there is a gui way, offer that [02:17] but I'm just an intermediate user... [02:17] Ubuntu uses sudo, so root stuff is right out [02:18] yes I know that ;) [02:18] maybe we could just copy stuff over from ubuntuguide [02:18] if we can write for your parents, we can write for anybody [02:18] robotgeek, the ubuntguide is already the basis of the faqguide that mgalvin and rob stoffers are working on [02:18] yeah, the focus has to shift from RTFM, though sometimes, it wud help [02:19] the ubuntuguide offers one solution to the problem [02:19] sometimes it is not the best one [02:19] i liked the way gentoo articles work [02:19] on their wiki? [02:19] Burgundavia: I feel there should be a "first time druid" or similar that points people at documentation [02:19] Burgundavia: so what were you and jerome discussing about the userguide? [02:19] i use them to setup debian machines [02:19] mgalvin, pretty much that it can't be shipped and nobody is working on it [02:20] thoreauputic, we are still hashing out the main yelp page [02:20] their wikis...they explain why we are doing and what we are doing [02:20] Burgundavia: right - but the average punter won't even open yelp without a nice popup that says "Welcome to Ubuntu! Start here..." [02:21] yes [02:21] correct... [02:21] pretty much at this point the likely main page is the faqguide [02:21] because after people graduate the faqguide, they are likely to be googling instead [02:22] major questions: 1) multimedia 2)multimedia 3)sound 4) wifi ... and so forth [02:22] maybe we shud grep the irc logs? [02:22] already did [02:22] the repetition is intentional :) [02:22] and ubotu reports what is common as well [02:22] ah, good to know [02:23] we pretty much know what people want/need [02:24] we now need to decide how to deliver that [02:24] yeah, can help out a bit [02:24] I would say aim at Aunt Tilly ;) [02:24] wrote some documentation for Adium before, not much though [02:25] is there any compiled list for stuff users need docs on? [02:25] CategoryCleanup on the wiki lists pages that need help [02:26] the other thing that is in the beginning stages is our QuickTour marketing guide [02:26] I think the search function for the wiki needs to be more obvious [02:26] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft [02:26] yes, that would be nice [02:26] or rather, more emphasised, visually [02:26] file a bug about it [02:27] :) [02:27] noted [02:27] right now, we need help is just about every area [02:27] so find something that interests you and do that [02:28] noted [02:28] the doc team is pretty spread around the world, so you are likely to find someone in this channel at all times [02:28] I made a little script to automate MPlayer compilation for those who want all the codecs, or whose AAC is broken, or who want more than 2 GB file support [02:29] makes sense, if you just want it working [02:29] if you want to cleanup up the mplayer stuff that would be great [02:30] make a main mplayer page and link all the various mplayer things off of that [02:30] hmmm, nice idea [02:30] I don't know that any of doc team uses mplayer [02:30] also, I'll put the Cedega automated install method up [02:31] I use VLC and MPlayer, so that's where I can help [02:31] Burgundavia: has there been any discussion about which docs we will be including? [02:31] remember that Ubuntu best practices is to promote existing solutions [02:31] so totem and rb are them [02:31] i'll just have to find what i like. :) [02:31] mgalvin, aside from the faqguide and maybe the quicktour, is anything else going to be ready? [02:31] i want to start getting the deb package ready too [02:32] not that i know of [02:32] ok, so i will only include those few things for now [02:32] quicktour is not even in svn yet [02:33] right, i am just going to include the faqguide then for now as a first step, since the existing deb package doesn't even currently work [02:33] ok [02:40] are there any plans to create an Enlightenment based Ubuntu distribution? [02:41] enlightenment is full of eye-candy!! [02:41] meh [02:41] yeah, it is [02:41] i liked what i saw, but too slow on mine... [02:41] but why do u need whole distro? [02:43] like Kubuntu [02:43] Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Eubuntu (possibly) [02:44] Razor-X: Eubuntu sounds too much like "Ewwww... Ubuntu " ;-) [02:44] meh ;) [02:44] Enlightened Ubuntu perhaps :) [02:44] heh, yeah [02:45] not current [02:45] and eubuntu is too close to edubuntu [02:45] yeah, I was thinking that [02:45] i still don't understand why we need separate ubuntu/kubuntu [02:45] anyone can explain? [02:45] they are not really seperate [02:45] same repos [02:45] I like Kubuntu a lot, actually [02:45] it is more marketing [02:46] I've been a KDE fan for a long time, I didn't want to bother with Gnome [02:46] and I _love_ the document viewers in KDE [02:46] (like KPDF and KDVI) [02:46] oh yeah, and any note when URW Palladio is going to get fixed? [02:46] use kdm, but gnome with openbox [02:46] evince is better [02:47] does evince allow continuous facing pages? [02:47] yes [02:47] hmmm, nice [02:47] evince is also going to do javascript stuff eventually [02:47] they use the same rendering engine, i'm told [02:47] don't know if kpdf has switched yet [02:47] but yes, they do [02:47] poppler, a freedesktop project === Razor-X [n=user@user-11fa9ie.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax7-159.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:25] Burgundavia: was any specifc ubuntu-doc install location discussed or do you think just putting everything in /usr/share/doc/ubuntu-docs/* (as html) seems fine? [03:26] no idea [03:26] best ask the list [03:27] k [03:29] listen how can i help ubuntu [03:30] what do you want to help with? === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:40] hi [03:40] hi [03:41] Burgundavia, ping? [03:42] jsgotangco, pong [03:42] salut Madpilot [03:42] meh - Freenode doesn't seem to be reporting "last active @