[03:57] <Burgundavia> lovely
[03:57] <rob^> mmm weightwatchers chips
[03:57] <rob^> dam wife
[03:57] <jsgotangco> ok lets just make it a quickie
[03:57] <mgalvin> lets get it on
[03:57] <Burgundavia> sure
[03:57] <jsgotangco> ok who's here
[03:57] <ajmitch> docteam meeting, is it?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> might as well introduce a new member, Madpilot (my brother)
[03:58] <jsgotangco> ajmitch, yeah, just a quickie
[03:58] <ajmitch> ok
[03:58] <jsgotangco> are you brothers?
[03:58] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:59] <rob^> man we could open our own burger shop here
[03:59] <jsgotangco> alright, we'll have a quickie meeting 
[03:59] <Madpilot> rob^: very original... ;)
[03:59] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda isn't useful at the moment so let's make it free flowing
[03:59] <rob^> mmm maccas
[03:59] <Burgundavia> docteam projects?
[03:59] <jsgotangco> any updates on your projects
[03:59] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, rob^ faqguide?
[03:59] <rob^> ok
[04:00] <mgalvin> i started spliting it up into pieces to make it easier to work with
[04:00] <mgalvin> a lot of the content is done
[04:00] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, good idea
[04:00] <rob^> I'm about to start 2 12 hours shifts in about 6 hours time. during which I'll have nothing to do
[04:00] <rob^> my guess is at the end of those there wont me much left to do with the guide before release
[04:00] <mgalvin> once i get my shinny new laptop i will verify the java install stuff for amd64 and will have all that java stuff worked out
[04:01] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, rob^ will we have enough time to proofread the doc before freeze?
[04:01] <rob^> dam it I wish someone would buy me a laptop
[04:01] <jeffsch> which parts of faqguide content still missing?
[04:01] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, it should be finished soon
[04:01] <mgalvin> rob^: we should probably finishs splitting it up first to make this easier
[04:01] <rob^> jeffsch, nothing really, just needs going over
[04:01] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia, when is our freeze?
[04:02] <Burgundavia> Sept 8
[04:02] <mgalvin> i am buying my own laptop :(, i should have joined the laptop team
[04:02] <Burgundavia> UI freeze is Aug 25th, so don't start taking screenshots before then
[04:02] <jsgotangco> ok so we have less than a month to finalize  and qa the doc to be shipped
[04:02] <rob^> mgalvin, which parts do you want then?
[04:03] <rob^> yep
[04:03] <mgalvin> what was that agenda page again?
[04:03] <jsgotangco> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamMeetingAgenda
[04:03] <rob^> as I said before, in the next two to three days I'm going to be giving the faq guide a lot of love
[04:04] <jsgotangco> guys, this is only a lightning meeting, let's keep it quick so if it can be done via list, let's do it there
[04:04] <rob^> it may be finished within a week maybe..
[04:04] <Burgundavia> what are thoughts on faqguide as default Yelp homepage? we don't really have many other docs to ship
[04:04] <rob^> I'm open to it
[04:04] <jsgotangco> sure, but consider the other docs
[04:04] <jsgotangco> Gnome docs
[04:04] <rob^> thats right
[04:04] <Burgundavia> they are old
[04:04] <Burgundavia> and not really useful, to be honest
[04:04] <jsgotangco> they're going to be included
[04:05] <jsgotangco> unless they remove it in the default install
[04:05] <jsgotangco> which is unlikely
[04:05] <Burgundavia> they can be there, we just don't have to link to them
[04:05] <rob^> who has the final say on it?
[04:05] <Burgundavia> consensus
[04:05] <mgalvin> are we going to grab the latest upstream gnome docs for inclusion?
[04:06] <Burgundavia> there is nothing happening there
[04:06] <mgalvin> they may be more up 2 date, although i have not looked yet so not sure
[04:06] <Burgundavia> upstream gnome
[04:06] <mgalvin> k
[04:06] <jsgotangco> mgalvin, it should have gone during freeze, but nothing is happening in gnome doc
[04:06] <mgalvin> right, ok
[04:06] <jsgotangco> so in a way, Burgundavia is right, they are old docs
[04:06] <Burgundavia> 2.6 is last major work
[04:06] <jsgotangco> but that doesnt mean they're not useful anymore, just not updated :)
[04:07] <rob^> that sucks
[04:07] <Burgundavia> they will do more harm than good I think
[04:07] <jsgotangco> i was looking into the help files of some gnome games last night and they are indeed old
[04:07] <jsgotangco> pre 2.8
[04:07] <rob^> maybe we can just have them listed under our docs in a smaller font etc..
[04:07] <jeffsch> perhaps a request for help with the docs should be on the front page too :-)
[04:08] <rob^> jeffsch, good idea
[04:08] <Burgundavia> sure
[04:08] <mgalvin> sounds good to me
[04:09] <jsgotangco> sure but they are upstream docs in the first place
[04:09] <Burgundavia> shall we move on and move this to the mailing list?
[04:10] <rob^> probably
[04:10] <mgalvin> yea
[04:10] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:10] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: doesn't matter... [eo[le don't have to help the doc team in order to help the docs
[04:10] <jeffsch> er, um, people even
[04:10] <Burgundavia> QuickTour: worked started at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuickTourDraft . Any comments are always welcome. See the todo at the bottom
[04:10] <Burgundavia> jdub gave jsgotangco and myself good feedback last night
[04:11] <mgalvin> cool, i think we definitely NEED this
[04:11] <Burgundavia> going to nail down the structure and then move to svn
[04:11] <jsgotangco> yeah i did a self brain dump on this last night
[04:11] <rob^> it looks pretty good
[04:11] <jsgotangco> i'm going to spam that wiki page later
[04:11] <Burgundavia> ok
[04:11] <rob^> wish we had if for our next installfest on software freedom day
[04:12] <mgalvin> did anyone every hear from that person who was making that doc that looked like apples mac os x marking pages?
[04:12] <jsgotangco> we can make it a printable pdf why not
[04:12] <Burgundavia> should be ready in english
[04:12] <rob^> it even..
[04:12] <Burgundavia> Softare freedom is sept 10. All writing must be done by the 8th
[04:12] <jsgotangco> About Ubuntu is in the bag and may just need some minor updating
[04:12] <Burgundavia> edubuntu cookbook?
[04:13] <jsgotangco> gyahh
[04:13] <jsgotangco> ok this is a cram project at the moment
[04:13] <rob^> yeah, but it will be for breezy, horay will still be the current released version then
[04:13] <jsgotangco> the cookbook should have a visible structure by this week
[04:13] <jsgotangco> and some important parts from tuXlab imported
[04:13] <jsgotangco> other than than, we;ll wait for the preview CD
[04:14] <jsgotangco> most of the contributors are educators anyways
[04:14] <jsgotangco> and all ubuntu docs will go into edubuntu
[04:14] <rob^> what is edubuntus target audence?
[04:14] <rob^> primary school/high school kids?
[04:14] <jsgotangco> learning environments in a networked lab
[04:15] <rob^> I'm biting at the bit to try it out
[04:15] <Burgundavia> any other projects?
[04:15] <mgalvin> ubuntu-docs deb
[04:16] <jsgotangco> packaging?
[04:16] <mgalvin> did anyone see my email, yea?
[04:16] <jsgotangco> i did
[04:16] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:16] <jsgotangco> but packaging is not my forte
[04:16] <mgalvin> i got it working already
[04:16] <mgalvin> not committed yet
[04:16] <jsgotangco> a deb file?
[04:17] <mgalvin> yea
[04:17] <jsgotangco> enrico is our debian and he is whitelisted to upload
[04:17] <mgalvin> er, the rules and stuff
[04:17] <rob^> holy crud you cut sick on the faq guide recently mgalvin 
[04:18] <mgalvin> i didn't upload the package, i just modified the rules and such to make it work
[04:18] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, you will work on that and chat with ajmitch if needed?
[04:18] <mgalvin> sure
[04:18] <Burgundavia> any further projects?
[04:18] <jsgotangco> yeah
[04:19] <jsgotangco> wait
[04:19] <jsgotangco> so what is shippable at the moment
[04:19] <mgalvin> rob^: i started splitting it up to make each section easier to work on
[04:19] <jsgotangco> FAQ Guide
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Quick Tour
[04:19] <jsgotangco> About Ubuntu
[04:19] <jsgotangco> Anything else?
[04:19] <rob^> I haven't had time to look at it the last two days
[04:19] <Burgundavia> is the faq guide profiled for kubuntu?
[04:19] <rob^> yes and no
[04:19] <Burgundavia> has that been worked on?
[04:20] <rob^> yes and no
[04:20] <jsgotangco> wish we had the people working on kubuntu here as well
[04:20] <rob^> I have a feeling the kubuntu faq guide wont be ready for breezy
[04:20] <jsgotangco> might as well bug them on the list
[04:20] <mgalvin> the profiling is there, we need to get the rest of the kubuntu content into the guide
[04:20] <rob^> time will tell I guess
[04:21] <mgalvin> there is not much kubuntu stuff in it atm
[04:21] <jsgotangco> ok understandable they have not been active even lately
[04:21] <rob^> mgalvin, will you be working on the faq guide in the next 48 hours?
[04:21] <jsgotangco> wait
[04:21] <jsgotangco> Style Guide
[04:21] <jsgotangco> jeffsch?
[04:22] <jeffsch> unless anybody has something to add to it, then it's done for now
[04:22] <jsgotangco> have you proofread it already?
[04:22] <jeffsch> after I do some editing on our current docs, I will have a better idea of what it should contain
[04:22] <mgalvin> its almost time for bed here so feel free to go nuts on it... i may do a little tomorrow, but if you do a lot i will hold off a little
[04:23] <jsgotangco> ok we can probably release the Style Guide to the world then?
[04:23] <rob^> mgalvin, its just that I'm about to start 2 12hour shifts where I can work on it but I dont have access to svn to commit
[04:23] <jeffsch> well, the docteam world, anyway :)
[04:23] <jsgotangco> jeffsch, its ok at least we reached a milestone
[04:24] <mgalvin> rob^: ok, i'll leave it alone for the next 48hrs, go nutz ;)
[04:24] <rob^> only windows nt boxes and notepad
[04:24] <rob^> thanks :)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> so i guess we freeze styleguide for now and publish it?
[04:24] <mgalvin> np
[04:24] <jeffsch> jsgotangco: sure
[04:24] <jsgotangco> alright anyone in favor of releasing the style guide
[04:24] <mgalvin> is it alright with everyone if I commit the packaging changes i have for now
[04:25] <rob^> yeah
[04:25] <jsgotangco> ok anything more
[04:25] <rob^> yes
[04:25] <jsgotangco> i'll bug the list about the linode thing
[04:25] <jsgotangco> seems to have stagnated
[04:25] <jsgotangco> its in my ToDO anyeays
[04:25] <rob^> whats the go with ubuntumagazine.com?
[04:26] <jsgotangco> its still in flux on whoever is heading it
[04:26] <rob^> zarul shahrin keeps bugging the list about it
[04:27] <Madpilot> is that going to be a "real" printed mag, or an ezine/pdf thing?
[04:27] <jsgotangco> we can't blame him, he seems to be eager about it but time will tell
[04:27] <rob^> but he seems to know nothing about web authoring
[04:27] <jsgotangco> let's wait and see
[04:27] <mgalvin> Madpilot: he said it may go to print
[04:27] <rob^> yeah
[04:27] <rob^> well, if his paying :)
[04:27] <mgalvin> on the web/pdf at first
[04:27] <rob^> hes
[04:27] <Madpilot> interesting...
[04:28] <jeffsch> ok, are we done with the meeting?
[04:28] <Burgundavia> ok, if there is nothing else, this meeting is done
[04:28] <rob^> I'm happy
[04:28] <jsgotangco> err
[04:28] <jsgotangco> wrong channel
[04:28] <jsgotangco> anything more
[04:28] <jsgotangco> this is good for a quickie
[04:28] <mgalvin> all set here
[04:28] <jsgotangco> i'll just email the list
[04:29] <jsgotangco> alright, thanks everyone
[04:29] <Burgundavia> rob^, mgalvin one of you to want to email the list about yelp/front page?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> next meeting, i'll juse send via email
[04:29] <rob^> operating-joke.png?
[04:29] <jsgotangco> rob^, cookbook
[04:29] <rob^> yeah
[04:29] <jsgotangco> its a fun book
[04:29] <rob^> just doing a svn up now
[04:29] <Burgundavia> that correct?
[04:30] <jsgotangco> 14:00UTC
[04:30] <mgalvin> rob^: can you take that, i gotta commit this stuff and hit the hay
[04:30] <jsgotangco> ok that's 12PM on mine
[04:30] <rob^> mgalvin, ok np
[04:30] <Burgundavia> sorry about the spam
[04:30] <jsgotangco> but horrible on rob^ 's side
[04:30] <Burgundavia> 14:00 is 7 am for me
[04:30] <rob^> 1400z is 2am here
[04:31] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:31] <jsgotangco> see
[04:31] <Burgundavia> we cannot satisfy everybody
[04:31] <Burgundavia> edubuntu meetings are at 12:00 utc
[04:31] <rob^> no wait..
[04:31] <rob^> 10am is 1200z
[04:31] <rob^> 10am + 14 hrs
[04:31] <rob^> midnight
[04:32] <Burgundavia> ok, lets get of -meeting
[04:32] <jsgotangco> ok adjourned
[04:32] <rob^> i dunno
[04:32] <rob^> nah it 2am
[04:33] <jsgotangco> its 2am
[04:33] <jsgotangco> 14UTC is midnight for me
[04:34] <ajmitch> rob^: nz?
[04:34] <rob^> au
[04:34] <ajmitch> then it'd be midnight, I'd say
[04:34] <ajmitch> since nz is utc+12
[04:35] <rob^> yeah your right
[04:35] <rob^> 10am + 14hrs is midnight
[04:35] <Burgundavia> guys, the log is filling up
[04:35] <Madpilot> there are good time-conversion websites out there - there may even be something lurking in Ubuntu repos...
[04:36] <ajmitch> apologies, I thought the meeting was over
[04:36] <Burgundavia> it is, but this channel is logged all the time
[06:26] <Burgundavia> mhz, please turn that off
[06:26] <mhz> what do you want me to turn off?
[06:26] <ajmitch> the away notifications
[06:27] <mhz> I can do that. why are they "not permitted"?
[06:27] <mhz> or annoying
[06:40] <Burgundavia> they are very annoying
[06:41] <Burgundavia> and they fill the logs
[06:45] <mhz> ok, no idea they were annoying
[06:45] <mhz> I'll try to kepp that on mind while I am here
[06:46] <Burgundavia> turn it off in #edubutu as well
[08:39] <Treenaks>     * 
[08:39] <Treenaks> oops
[02:13] <jjesse> did i miss the meeting again?