[12:30] <paolo> Hi!  darcs is broken because of the cpp migration: could you build satisfying: libgmp3 now renamed libgmp3c2 ?
[12:31] <ajmitch> paolo: no, we can't just rebuild it due to other build-depends
[12:31] <ajmitch> ghc6 needs to be fixed before we can rebuild darcs
[12:32] <ajmitch> unless I'm mistaken, ghc6 isn't done yet
[12:32] <paolo> ajmitch, fixed in what ways.
[12:32] <paolo> I mean "?"
[12:32] <paolo> aww, too bad.  OK :-(
[12:32] <ajmitch> fixed, in that it doesn't build
[12:32] <ajmitch> and it build-depends on itself
[12:33] <paolo> Hmm, ubuntu has 6.2.2...
[12:34] <paolo> ajmitch, are there any hopes to get 6.4.1 for the time it is released?
[12:34] <ajmitch> upstream version freeze was a month ago, so there'd need to be reasonable justification
[12:35] <ajmitch> I see that 6.4 was in debian 2 months ago, so it may be possible
[12:35] <paolo> ajmitch, it would be great, IMO.
[12:35] <paolo> But it is not a reasonable justification :-)
[12:35] <ajmitch> sorry.. 6.4 source is in ubuntu..
[12:36] <tseng> hi
[12:36] <paolo> Ah, cool.  Do you mean I could compile it and darcs on my workstation, from ubuntu packages?
[12:36] <ajmitch> 6.4 is the one that is not building
[12:36] <ajmitch> hello tseng
[12:36] <paolo> ajmitch, is there a place to see what's wrong with it?
[12:37] <ajmitch> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/ghc6/6.4-4/
[12:38] <ajmitch> hmm, looks like the current ghc6 *may* fulfill the build deps for darcs
[12:40] <paolo> Cool!
[12:44] <ajmitch> sorry, that won't work..
[12:45] <ajmitch> so we do need to get ghc6 fixed & building before darcs can build
[12:45] <paolo> Thanks for trying
[12:45] <paolo> I wish I could help
[12:49] <ajmitch> paolo: I think that once 6.4.1 is released, we'll put it in
[12:49] <ajmitch> since it appears to solve the gcc 4.0 problems with 6.4
[12:50] <paolo> ajmitch, that's the best news of today, and today just started 50 mins ago here :-D
[12:50] <ajmitch> :)
[05:37] <ajmitch> ah, looks like the f-spot changes for sid will need synced for breezy
[08:09] <pef> hello
[08:09] <siretart> morning
[08:09] <Burgundavia> hello
[08:10] <siretart> ajmitch: ping
[08:10] <ajmitch> siretart: pong
[08:11] <ajmitch> what have I broken?
[08:11] <ajmitch> ;)
[08:17] <siretart> ajmitch: nothing ;)
[08:17] <ajmitch> ok, about ghc6 then?
[08:17] <siretart> ajmitch: I just wanted to ask about the status of ghc6, I read something in the backlog ;)
[08:17] <ajmitch> ah right
[08:17] <ajmitch> well 6.4.1, when it comes out, is meant to build with gcc 4.0
[08:18] <siretart> ah, I thought either debian or you already have packaged the preview release
[08:19] <siretart> and then still the package will have to be bootstrapped by the buildd admins, if I got it right, but compiling is a premise ;)
[08:19] <ajmitch> no, debian still has 6.4-4
[08:19] <ajmitch> but we can borrow packages from there to get 6.4.1 building, if needed
[08:19] <cat> hey
[08:19] <ajmitch> hello cat
[08:20] <cat> if i want to help around with ubuntu what can i do?
[08:20] <ajmitch> you want to help with packaging?
[08:20] <cat> sure i will love to
[08:20] <ajmitch> well we've got a lot to do ;)
[08:20] <siretart> cat: woooho, great! :)
[08:20] <ajmitch> mostly fixing existing packages
[08:20] <cat> such as?
[08:20] <ajmitch> sometimes creating new ones
[08:20] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps
[08:21] <ajmitch> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo
[08:21] <siretart> cat: we still have tons of work in universe to do, like these UnmetDependencies
[08:21] <cat> well i can help around by rebuilding the packages
[08:21] <siretart> cat: there is still a lot of work for any level of difficulty ;)
[08:23] <cat> well
[08:23] <cat> i can star some where (:
[08:24] <ajmitch> rebuilding packages is fairly basic, we just get the source & semi-autobuild them
[08:24] <cat> so what can i do
[08:24] <cat> for example any ideas ajmitch ?
[08:25] <ajmitch> the unmet deps page has a number of packages that need done - a few of them need packaging changes
[08:26] <cat> can u point me to one?
[08:26] <cat> if it's possible
[08:30] <ajmitch> sorry, I don't know just by looking at the package name
[08:32] <cat> Just Need A Rebuild
[08:32] <cat> This list are packages that just need a rebuild and have been verified/tested by either an MOTU or those of us wanting to be MOTUs.
[08:32] <cat> that?
[08:32] <ajmitch> no, those are ones that we will upload
[08:33] <cat> then i'm los t=)
[08:33] <ajmitch> I mean the  'These need love' section, taken by NOBODY
[08:33] <cat> oh ok
[08:34] <cat> so if i wanted to take over a packaged what do i do?
[08:34] <cat> just rebuild it?
[08:34] <cat> or what?
[08:35] <ajmitch> these are packages that don't install properly due to missing dependencies
[08:35] <ajmitch> so get the source, try build it
[08:35] <cat> PL
[08:35] <ajmitch> see if the packages install
[08:35] <cat> Ok for example i want to build sawfish
[08:35] <cat> when i'm done with it what do i do?
[08:36] <ajmitch> if it builds & everything is correct, note that in the wiki
[08:37] <cat> ok
[08:40] <cat> ok i'm back with debian
[08:41] <ajmitch> why debian?
[08:45] <ajmitch> never mind, I have to leave
[08:45] <ajmitch> bbl
[11:15] <pef> SloMo_: hi, I've uploaded the last (I hope) correction of my package http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341
[11:16] <DanielN> hi guys :)
[11:16] <siretart> hi DanielN, hi pef
[11:17] <siretart> DanielN: I hope you don't take my comments to openttd in revu personally..
[11:17] <ajmitch> I hope noone takes my comments personally ;)
[11:17] <siretart> :)
[11:19] <ajmitch> I wonder if I've got enough diskspace for building all these unmet deps packages :)
[11:19] <pef> siretart: hi, which parameters do you use in REVU for lintian/linda ?
[11:20] <siretart> pef: -v
[11:21] <pef> siretart: I run it and don't have same results as on revu
[11:22] <pef> siretart: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341 in local I don't have the error
[11:22] <siretart> lets see
[11:22] <siretart> pef: I run lintian on the changes file, how do you invoke lintian?
[11:23] <pef> in the deb file :)
[11:23] <siretart> ah
[11:23] <\sh> fixing kwave
[11:23] <siretart> thats intresting, too, it catches other errors, then
[11:24] <\sh> morning guys :)
[11:24] <pef> siretart: the file it complains about is the diff file in debian/patches, right ? or it is another problem ?
[11:24] <pef> \sh: hi
[11:25] <siretart> pef: I understand lintian complains about this file: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508111115/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/files
[11:26] <pete> morning
[11:27] <DanielN> siretart, oh no not at all :)
[11:28] <pef> siretart: I haven't any idea where this file comes from :/
[11:28] <siretart> DanielN: if you really want openttd, I think you should collaborate with the debian guys already working on it. we can sync that afterwards into ubuntu
[11:29] <ajmitch> baobab is moderately useful for identifying junk to cleanup :)
[11:30] <SloMoSnail> pef: what files?
[11:31] <pef> SloMoSnail: I don't know, it's an error reported by lintian/linda
[11:31] <DanielN> siretart, it's important for me, cause i don't play it
[11:32] <DanielN> but i just wanted to help blathis, the guy how created the debian package
[11:32] <DanielN> not important i mean
[11:33] <pef> SloMoSnail: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341
[11:33] <SloMoSnail> pef: ah... just remove debian/files and maybe also remove the stamps and the substvars file... they will be deleted by the diff then...
[11:35] <pef> SloMoSnail: they are in the orig.tar.gz :/
[11:36] <SloMoSnail> pef: but they don't belong there ;) so just delete them and they will get deleted by the diff
[11:39] <pef> SloMoSnail: in the clean target ?
[11:40] <SloMoSnail> pef: yes... but afaik cdbs should already handle that...
[11:41] <pef> SloMoSnail: theorically for config.{guess,sub} too, but it seems not to work
[11:42] <SloMoSnail> pef: so just do it by hand ;)
[11:43] <SloMoSnail> siretart: do you know what happened to the liferea upload? simply disappeared it seems...
[11:43] <pef> SloMoSnail: I was afraid to miss something, but if it's a cdbs "feature", it's ok
[11:48] <DanielN> has no one a debootstrap script for breezy?
[11:52] <Lathiat> my debootstrap is happy with a breezy target...
[11:54] <\sh> ogra: ubuntu-express? ubuntu on a usb stick?
[11:54] <ogra> nope... live installer
[11:54] <Lathiat> \sh: installing ubuntu from the livecd
[11:55] <\sh> ah...so i need to invent ubuntu for an usb stick ,-)
[11:56] <ajmitch> \sh: not hard to do :)
[11:56] <pef> SloMoSnail: adding rm -f debian/files to clean target doesn't changes anything
[11:56] <ajmitch> d-i has run from usb for quite awhile
[11:57] <\sh> ajmitch: nice I don't have any clue how to do it...I mean, I can build a gentoo live cd with everything, but not an ubuntu usb image ,-)
[11:57] <\sh> ok...lunch
[12:53] <pef> can I do something for new upstream versions in main, like http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10890 ? or must I wait ?
[12:54] <siretart> re
[12:55] <siretart> SloMoSnail: you don't talk about this one, do you: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=324
[12:55] <SloMoSnail> yes... this one
[12:59] <DanielN> anyone around ??
[01:10] <\sh> jesus
[01:10] <\sh> I got my laptop
[01:11] <\sh> claire was sending out the email to me, that I will receive it around the 17th...but it came today
[01:12] <SloMoSnail> \sh: what laptop did you get? :)
[01:12] <\sh> toshiba portege r200
[01:13] <\sh> small...slim...
[01:13] <\sh> lightweigt (1.2kg)
[01:13] <\sh> 12.1"
[01:13] <\sh> no cdrom/dvd
[01:13] <DanielN> setting up breezy badger as main webserver here at the office :P
[01:13] <\sh> 512mb
[01:13] <Lathiat> damn
[01:13] <Lathiat> nice
[01:13] <Lathiat> i want one of those :\
[01:14] <\sh> bluetooth, wifi, irda, usb, sd cards, bla bla
[01:14] <Lathiat> im hoping for somethign small
[01:14] <Lathiat> i'd love a 12"
[01:14] <\sh> english keyboard layout
[01:15] <DanielN> "Couldn't download libiw27"
[01:15] <DanielN> broken package?
[01:15] <Lathiat> \sh: friend of mine has one of those
[01:15] <Lathiat> there very nice
[01:17] <Lathiat> oh well, thats 1 12" i wont be getting. :)
[01:17] <Lathiat> heres hoping from an ibm x41 or dell x1 :P
[01:18] <DanielN> ok ok
[01:18] <DanielN> i'm in wrong chan
[01:20] <Lathiat> that or an amd64 laptop would be nice
[01:20] <Lathiat> but i dont think any major vendors make those :)
[01:22] <jbailey_> Lathiat: HP does
[01:22] <Lathiat> jbailey_: yeh?
[01:22] <Lathiat> well maybe then :)
[01:22] <jbailey_> Lathiat: They're not mobile CPUs, though, so they're quite hot and hard on the batteries.
[01:23] <jbailey_> But I was looking at one a few months ago.  Decided not to spend the $1200CAD =)
[01:23] <Lathiat> well
[01:23] <Lathiat> athlon64s tend to be coolish compared to most desktop cpus
[01:23] <Lathiat> but yeh
[01:23] <Lathiat> i wouldnt expect any more than 2 hours battery
[01:55] <\sh> ok..now I have to setup my other notebook to serve as a LocalNetworkJumpstart Server ,-=)
[02:11] <Nafallo> tseng: ping
[02:12] <kiko> MOTU OF THE WORLD
[02:12] <kiko> UNITE
[02:13] <rbelem> :)
[02:13] <Nafallo> kiko: :-)
[02:13] <Lathiat> dyslexics of the world
[02:13] <Lathiat> UNTIE
[02:14] <kiko> you slackers
[02:14] <kiko> where's ogra the ogre?
[02:14] <Nafallo> kiko: ogre is my server :-)
[02:14] <ogra> hey kiko
[02:14] <kiko> ogra!
[02:15] <kiko> I want to introduce to you rbelem
[02:15] <ogra> :)
[02:15] <ogra> hi rbelem
[02:15] <kiko> he's a hacker from manaus whom we met on saturday
[02:15] <rbelem> ogra, hi ;)
[02:15] <kiko> he's done packaging work and even has a couple of packages prepared to push into the revu process
[02:15] <kiko> can you or someone else give him some assistance
[02:15] <ogra> rbelem, yay, go ahead....
[02:16] <ogra> rbelem, first get an account from siretart
[02:16] <SloMoSnail> hi rbelem :)
[02:16] <ogra> then you can upload your stuff to revu for reviews
[02:16] <ogra> rbelem, do you know the process to become a motu...
[02:16] <ogra> ?
[02:16] <rbelem> :) great
[02:17] <kiko> ogra, ah, so siretart assigns revu accounts?
[02:17] <rbelem> ogra, i was reading the wiki, i understand i little bit
[02:17] <ogra> its on his server ....
[02:18] <rbelem> SloMoSnail, hi :)
[02:18] <ogra> rbelem, start with creating a wikipage about yourself... describe who you are and what you work on (and plan to work on) in ubuntu...
[02:18] <chillywilly> morning guys
[02:19] <ogra> you will need to become a member first... this page is the base of all approval from the two councils, so make it nice :)
[02:19] <rbelem> ogra, i created, but only a link to my page at ubuntu-br.org. I'll transfer the things from there
[02:19] <ogra> yup....
[02:19] <ogra> thats a good start :)
[02:21] <rbelem> ogra, I see that i need to mail my key to siretart
[02:21] <ogra> if you have made a valuable contributon of any kind (howto wikipages, creating artwork, fixing/building packages etc...) you sign the code of conduct, send it to mako@canonical.com and put a link to your page on the CommunityCouncilAgenda
[02:21] <ogra> rbelem, yup
[02:22] <ogra> you should show up in the meeting and will get approved as a member....
[02:22] <rbelem> ogra, cool ;)
[02:22] <rbelem> ogra, when will be the next meeting?
[02:22] <ogra> the next stop after this already is MOTU ;)
[02:23] <ogra> look on wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[02:23] <Nafallo> 16th IIRC
[02:23] <Nafallo> rock! I was right :-)
[02:24] <rbelem> uau it's so closer
[02:24] <kiko> you said it man
[02:24] <ogra> :)
[02:26] <rbelem> ogra,  I'll follow these steps now
[02:26] <ogra> oki...
[02:26] <ogra> just hang around here in the channel, if you got questions etc nearly everyone can help you in here :)
[02:27] <Nafallo> tseng: muine uploaded without changes. needed a rebuild due to new dbus.
[02:31] <rbelem> uau... it's very nice to meet you, and if i got questions i'll ask for your help
[02:32] <ogra> yeah :)
[02:34] <\sh> actually u can ask everyone here, we're all nice :) and friendly :) but ogra looks much better then anybody of us *eg*
[02:34] <SloMoSnail> lol
[02:35] <rbelem> :D
[02:35] <ogra> *grin*
[02:35] <ogra> not today though
[02:35] <\sh> ogra: well...I only said it, cause I think you will be jealous when u see this small, thin little baby here ,-)
[02:36] <\sh> ogra: I think I will give it back...cause it's to small for my fingers
[02:36] <ogra> heh
[02:36] <ogra> but handy... you can take it everywhere
[02:37] <\sh> ogra: and the other isp guys are waiting that I'm leaving my place...they want to grab it directly from this desk now...
[02:38] <ogra> heh
[02:38] <ogra> get a ball and chain for it :)
[02:38] <\sh> ok..just preparing to launch my localnet ubuntu hoary install
[02:38] <\sh> ogra: it has a fingerprint reader ,-) I hope it will work on hoary ,-)
[02:40] <ogra> bionic fingers ;)
[02:41] <\sh> ok...just cutting my network now...i
[02:41] <\sh> to install ubuntu
[02:41] <mbreit> okay, now i _really_ need some help with dh_makeshlibs now!
[02:41] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: just ask
[02:42] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: you now the problem...
[02:42] <mbreit> s/now/know/
[02:42] <SloMoSnail> libicq2000?
[02:42] <mbreit> compiling ickle against libicq2000c2 but it depends on libicq2000
[02:43] <Nafallo> mbreit: fix libicq2000 debian/rules :-)
[02:44] <mbreit> Nafallo: what's wrong there?
[02:44] <mbreit> /var/lib/dpkg/info$ cat libicq2000c2.shlibs
[02:44] <mbreit> libicq2000 3 libicq2000c2
[02:44] <Nafallo> mbreit: let me get the source
[02:45] <mbreit> and that _seems_ right to me, but i have no idea how dh_makeshlibs work ;)
[02:45] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: try makeshlibs with -V"libicq2000c2"... but the shlibs file looks ok for me so no idea...
[02:46] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: i looked at other libxxc2 packages, and they called makeshlibs without -V... as well....
[02:47] <SloMoSnail> mbreit: i know... but it doesn't work as it is now ;) that's just a wild idea, don't know whether that works... i'll look at it further after the math exam tomorrow when you haven't fixed it until then
[02:48] <mbreit> SloMoSnail: thanks...
[02:55] <Nafallo> hmm
[02:56] <Nafallo> mbreit: do we need ubuntuX on libicq2000?
[02:56] <mbreit> Nafallo: i don't know... i have not touched that package
[02:56] <mbreit> doko: ping
[02:56] <doko> mbreit: pong
[02:57] <mbreit> doko: you know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates ?
[02:57] <mbreit> doko: cause it says that i am working on a spe package ;))
[02:59] <doko> mbreit: then you surely know the Debian report #268101 and sent a followup on the report?
[03:00] <kiko> hey doko
[03:00] <mbreit> doko: oh, i did not know that ;)
[03:00] <kiko> we got a question when we were doing a talk in brasilia
[03:00] <kiko> the kid asked why the new kde packages in breezy ended in c2
[03:00] <doko> kiko: only one? ;-P
[03:00] <mbreit> doko: well, it does not really matter cause i have just started ;) just have a look at the list next time *g*
[03:00] <kiko> mark was surprised at it :)
[03:00] <kiko> we got several but this one was particularly interesting
[03:00] <doko> kiko: C++ ABI version 2
[03:00] <ogra> kiko, only the libs...
[03:01] <siretart> who is Rodrigo Belem?
[03:01] <kiko> yeah, I know
[03:01] <kiko> siretart, rbelem
[03:01] <kiko> I'm presenting him
[03:01] <kiko> hacker from the amazon
[03:01] <rbelem> siretart, me :)
[03:03] <doko> mbreit: maybe you can add a link to http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp ?
[03:04] <mbreit> doko: i don't think i can do that, but it would definitly be a good idea ;))
[03:05] <mbreit> doko: and it was my fault not having a look there, so sorry ;)
[03:05] <doko> mbreit: I think you can do that (ogra?)
[03:06] <mbreit> doko: ??
[03:12] <ogra> err ?
[03:12] <ogra> whats worng ?
[03:15] <pef> ogra: hi
[03:16] <ogra> hey pef
[03:16] <pef> ogra: can I bother you about a packaging problem ?
[03:17] <ogra> sure
[03:18] <mbreit> SloMoSnail, Nafallo: adjusting dh_makeshlibs in debian/rules in libicq2000 did not help...
[03:19] <pef> ogra: I don't know ho to resolve this lintian's error http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508111115/lintian
[03:19] <SloMoSnail> pef: the files one? just remove debian/files as i said this morning ;)
[03:20] <ogra> yes, as SloMoSnail says
[03:20] <pef> SloMoSnail: this file is only on  .orig.tar.gz
[03:21] <ogra> you can ignore the two errors on the top
[03:21] <mbreit> pef: then remove it from debian/rules clean target
[03:21] <mbreit> ... remove it IN the debian/rules clean target...
[03:22] <pef> mbreit: have add rm -f debian/file to clean:: target, but dpkg-source says : dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/files when I make dpkg-buildpackage
[03:24] <mbreit> uh? hmm... but the lintian-error remains?
[03:24] <pef> yep
[03:25] <bddebian> Howdy
[03:25] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[03:25] <bddebian> Morning mbreit
[03:28] <pef> mbreit: a problem with cdbs .
[03:28] <pef> ?
[03:29] <mbreit> pef: i don't know... i have to pass your question to some other motu
[03:29] <mbreit> s/some other motu/some motu/ ;))
[03:29] <pef> :)
[04:17] <rbelem> hey ogra
[04:17] <ogra> hey rbelem
[04:18] <rbelem> ogra, i started to create some packges
[04:18] <rbelem> ogra, and some meta-packages...
[04:18] <ogra> aha :)
[04:19] <rbelem> rbelem, the first is muse muse.dyne.org
[04:19] <rbelem> ops
[04:19] <rbelem> ogra, which will be called muse-streamer
[04:20] <rbelem> ogra, because already a package called muse which is a sequencer
[04:21] <rbelem> ogra, then i see that i have to do some changes in the package, like name
[04:21] <rbelem> ogra, add ubuntuX as a suffix
[04:21] <ogra> you should also always check the source and binary packages with lintian
[04:22] <ogra> that depends...
[04:22] <ogra> you normally only add ubuntuX to packages that come from debian and you made a ubuntu specific change
[04:23] <rbelem> ogra, :) this package is not in debian yet
[04:23] <ogra> you should also always build the package ina pbuilder (see PbuilderHowto on the wiki)
[04:23] <bddebian> So get it in Debian first, then call us.. ;-P
[04:24] <ogra> even more important, if debian wants to adopt it, they can grab it as is and just recomplie...
[04:24] <SloMoSnail> bddebian: you mean in 2 months? ;)
[04:24] <ogra> bddebian, nah
[04:24] <bddebian> SloMoSnail: Yep, sounds about right ;-P
[04:25] <kiko> no need to wait for debian, just get it in ubuntu and give somebody at debian a hint :-)
[04:25] <bddebian> I WAS KIDDING..  Man you people need to grow senses of humor. :-)
[04:26] <rbelem> ogra, i mailed the upstream developer and he said that is very cool and I can upload to ubuntu after that to debian if i want
[04:26] <kiko> that was a pretty subtle hint then
[04:27] <ogra> rblesure, up to you....
[04:27] <ogra> rbelem, ^
[04:28] <rbelem> ogra,  he cc the the filippo@debian.org
[04:28] <rbelem> ogra, he plans to upload muse to debian at the next upstream release
[04:29] <ogra> ah...
[04:39] <rbelem> ogra, there are another changes to do in package that comes from debian? and there is another software called darksnow, a front end to darkice, that i want to package...
[05:32] <pef> re
[05:33] <SloMoSnail> pef: this is a problem with the upstream tarball... so mail the author to remove this stuff... as it is removed by clean atm you probably can ignore this warning
[05:39] <pef> SloMoSnail: if it's removed by clean, why this warning ? I don't understand
[05:42] <SloMoSnail> because it isn't deleted by the diff for some reason... the ignoring deletion of debian/files warning before creating the diff
[05:42] <pef> ok, contacting the author seems to be the clever way :)
[05:47] <pef> SloMoSnail: debian/{files,stamp*,kvpnc.substvars}, do you see anothers useless files ?
[05:49] <pef> a program not yet packaged, will be integrated to Debian once uploaded to universe ?
[05:49] <SloMoSnail> pef: give me the url again
[05:50] <pef> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341
[05:50] <SloMoSnail> pef: and no... when it's in ubuntu someone has to get it into debian... that doesn't happen from itself :(
[05:50] <pef> SloMoSnail: like a review ?
[05:51] <SloMoSnail> pef: well... the *.cdbs-orig files are useless...and the ones you said
[05:51] <SloMoSnail> pef: no... you have to find someone who sponsors your package, some debian developer... and i don't think this package gets accepted by one with this source tarball ;)
[05:52] <pef> dirty tarball :/
[05:52] <pef> but the author has to release a new version, or simply delete the useless files ?
[05:53] <SloMoSnail> a new version would cause less confusion... when he just releases a new tarball with the same version the md5sums change and some people (at least the gentoo users) will get mad ;)
[05:57] <pef> SloMoSnail: I think he will delay this cleanup to next release to avoid confusions, but I'm not very enthousiastic to wait weeks or months
[05:59] <SloMoSnail> pef: well ask ogra if it's ok for him to ignore this warning in this case
[06:00] <pef> ogra: ping
[06:04] <ogra> is it a NEW package ?
[06:04] <SloMoSnail> ogra: it is
[06:04] <pef> yes, i've made modifications to the home made deb package provided by the author
[06:06] <ogra> hmm, then you should ask elmo, he's the last person who looks at it and the one who counts for NEW approvals
[06:07] <pef> ogra: can you add a comment to my package ?
[06:09] <ogra> i havent even an account :) (i must fix that for the next review day...)
[06:12] <pef> ogra, SloMoSnail : so for you this package is ok ?
[06:13] <ogra> i'd lke to see the actual package you talked about... when i looked in revu the rm in the clean target wasnt there ...
[06:13] <SloMoSnail> pef: except the upstream tarball it's ok for me ;)
[06:14] <pef> ogra: I can upload it now if you want
[06:14] <Nafallo> hmm, is dirac correct in -doc depending on -dev?
[06:14] <SloMoSnail> pef: isn't it uploaded? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=341
[06:15] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: no idea... but what do you want to do with the docs when you don't have the dev-stuff?
[06:15] <pef> SloMoSnail: there is no the rm in the clean target (but since it's useless, is it really important ?)
[06:15] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: read them on my laptop while I has the actual packages on my server for example :-)
[06:16] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: hmm... so what is the regular way for doc packages? Suggest or Recommend the -dev?
[06:17] <ogra> Moved desktop file from usr/share/applnk to /usr/share/application
[06:17] <ogra> pef, the missing s is a typo i the changelog i hope :)
[06:17] <pef> ogra: of course :)
[06:18] <ogra> its good... take it as signed from me
[06:18] <pef> thank you :)
[06:19] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: postfix-doc suggests postfix, apache2-doc count on the users intelligence :-).
[06:20] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: ok, i'll change it to a Suggest then ;)
[06:21] <SloMoSnail> pef: you got a vote from me ;)
[06:22] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: ah. nice. didn't realised you owned the package :-)
[06:22] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: btw, dirac doesn't need libdirac0 installed?
[06:22] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: funnily it doesn't... it's compiled in statically
[06:23] <pef> SloMoSnail: thank you ! I had to upload a new version to correct a type s/application/applications/ in debian/changelog
[06:23] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: don't ask me who had this idea...
[06:23] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: I was just about to ;-)
[06:24] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: well... when it's changed later the dependency gets pulled in automatically ;)
[06:24] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: :-)
[06:24] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: ok, new dirac uploaded with the change... other than that the package was ok for you?
[06:26] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: yepp
[06:28] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: you're on amd64, no?
[06:29] <SloMoSnail> nope... ppc and x86
[06:29] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: then I rebuild it here just for fun :-)
[06:30] <SloMoSnail> good idea... as amd64 tends to collaps on everything ;)
[06:30] <Nafallo> hehe
[06:30] <Nafallo> built before the -doc change so... ;-)
[06:33] <pef> SloMoSnail: perfect synchronisation :D
[06:33] <SloMoSnail> pef: thanks ;)
[06:42] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: thanks :) maybe we get this and gst-plugins-multiverse in at the next review day ;)
[06:43] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: that's why I looked at dirac ;-)
[06:45] <pef> can modify a package from mentors.debian.org ? it doesn't seems to be integrated in the officials repositorys
[06:45] <pef> (for integration into universe)
[06:45] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: so you already looked at g-p-m? any big mistakes?
[06:47] <SloMoSnail> pef: depends i think... is the maintainer still trying to get it into debian? or has he given up? i would mail him und ask him about that...
[06:47] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: dunno yet. didn't build because dirac isn't in yet. looks like the dependencies is way off though.
[06:49] <Nafallo> +Package: gstreamer0.8-faad
[06:49] <Nafallo> +Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, gstreamer0.8-misc (>= 0.8.10)
[06:49] <Nafallo> this would bring in what libfaac-dev (>= 1.24), libfaad2-dev (>= 2.0.0), liblame-dev (>= 3.90), libwavpack-dev, libdirac-dev, libxvidcore4-dev gives.
[06:50] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: yes... dirac is the last dependency missing...
[06:51] <pef> SloMoSnail: not in wnpp and doesn't have a itp entry
[06:51] <SloMoSnail> with g-p-m we get a aac/mp4 decoder/encoder, mp3 encoder, wavpack decover, dirac decoder and xvid/mpeg4 encoder plugins for gst... ;) most of this seems to be stuff many users want
[06:52] <SloMoSnail> pef: wnpp?
[06:52] <Nafallo> Depends: libfaad2, gstreamer0.8-misc <-- should be better
[06:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[06:52] <pef> SloMoSnail: sorry, being packaged
[06:53] <Nafallo> or libfaad2 (>= 2.0.0) even
[06:54] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: why? what change do you suggest? changing the order of them or removing the version from gst-misc?
[06:54] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: s:{$shlibs:Depends}:libfaad2 (>= 2.0.0): etcetera.
[06:55] <SloMoSnail> ah ok... but why?
[06:56] <Nafallo> SloMoSnail: I'll try it first, hold.
[06:57] <SloMoSnail> Nafallo: ok... but exactly this dependency gets pulled in by dh_shlibdeps so i don't see your point ;)
[07:00] <janimo> hello all
[07:01] <SloMoSnail> hi janimo
[07:14] <pef> bye !
[07:23] <janimo> does REVU only show  MOTU votes in the advocates column?
[07:23] <tseng> if it doesnt, its wrong
[07:23] <janimo> and if only MOTUs can vote what is the point of others advocating?
[07:26] <tseng> there is none?
[07:28] <kiko> you can advocate and tseng will hear you
[07:32] <Amaranth> if you advocate that means you think it should be uploaded, right?
[07:32] <Amaranth> if so, that's used for the 3 MOTU review needed before a NEW package is uploaded
[07:34] <Amaranth> cool, gst-plugins-multiverse has the 3 plugins i had to snag from hoary-extras (faad, faac, and lame)
[07:34] <tseng> g-p-m will be awesome
[07:35] <tseng> and not that marillat binary silliness
[07:35] <tseng> kiko: id still review it myself anyway, its pointless
[07:36] <Amaranth> now i just need libfasttrack-gift and bittorrent 4 to clear out my locally installed package list :)
[07:36] <tseng> kiko: but hi :)
[07:36] <tseng> oh man fasttrack-gift is bogus
[07:37] <Amaranth> ?
[07:37] <tseng> the network is a cesspool of filth
[07:37] <tseng> the efnet of p2p
[07:37] <tseng> or something.
[07:37] <kiko> it's horrible
[07:37] <kiko> at least you can filter audio
[07:38] <Amaranth> tseng: it has the most people though :)
[07:38] <tseng> signal:noise :)
[07:38] <paolo> do you know how to get the font-string of an X window (an xterm for be precise) ?  xprop doesn't list it, but IIRC there is a tool which does - I don't remember what is it, tough :-(
[07:38] <Amaranth> but i use gift so little these days i dunno why i even keep it installed
[07:39] <tseng> paolo: how does xrdb -query strike you
[07:39] <tseng> URxvt.font:	xft:Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:pixelsize=12
[07:39] <tseng> is an example
[07:40] <paolo> hmm it is a gnome-terminal in fact, I can't see it there.
[07:40] <tseng> er
[07:40] <tseng> gnome terminal doesnt get fonts from X
[07:40] <tseng> at least not in the way I think you are thinking
[07:40] <paolo> too bad
[07:41] <tseng> it has its own preferences
[07:41] <tseng> or global gnome prefts
[07:41] <paolo> without xfontsel I can't understand how to use terminus
[07:41] <paolo> in fact terminus work in gnome-terminal, but Emacs for example needs an -fn string !
[07:41] <tseng> emacs.. or xemacs?
[07:42] <paolo> GNU Emacs
[07:42] <tseng> beats me
[07:42] <paolo> why?
[07:42] <tseng> probably because I use vi
[07:42] <tseng> it doesnt much care what font I use
[07:42] <paolo> i can't code without terminus in my emacsen :(
[07:43] <bddebian> Switch to nano ;-)
[07:43] <paolo> thanks for the help, tseng
[07:44] <tseng> yeah it sounds like an emacs question, which i surely cant answer
[07:45] <paolo> it is a xorg question in fact - breezy misses xfontsel and other binaries at the moment :(
[07:45] <paolo> ... but I think that even with it terminus isn't really usable
[07:45] <SloMoSnail> hm, can someone test pkg-config --help on x86? it gets in an infinite loop here ;)
[07:46] <paolo> SloMo_, pkg-config has some f*cked code
[07:46] <paolo> try "pkg-config foo --help"
[07:46] <paolo> (foo is just a random string, it segfaults here)
[07:46] <SloMoSnail> yes... and without foo it prints one line over and over again ;)
[07:47] <SloMoSnail> on ppc it works for me
[07:47] <paolo> so, talking of xorg and fonts.. :-(
[09:18] <kiko> siretart, for the record, this is what rbelem looks like: http://www.comunidadesol.org/gallery/mark/dsc02976
[09:19] <kiko> he's not the pengiun, btw
[09:19] <kiko> penguin, agh.
[09:22] <rbelem> kiko, ihihihihihi
[11:16] <cat> alright i'm back
[11:36] <ajmitch> tseng: I've got a debdiff here for beagle & gaim indexing
[11:54] <cat> hey mr ajmitch
[11:54] <ajmitch> hello
[11:55] <cat> how is it going
[12:00] <tseng> ajmitch: uh
[12:00] <tseng> ajmitch: ok.
[12:01] <tseng> Nafallo: why are we rebuilding muine, out of curiosity
[12:01] <ajmitch> tseng: malone 1739, if you care
[12:02] <tseng> ajmitch: i am hoping to get 0.13 anyway
[12:02] <tseng> ajmitch: but you can upload as many debdiffs as you see fit
[12:02] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/mono/beagle_0.0.12-0ubuntu4.debdiff