[07:53] <pef> hello
[12:23] <Riddell> venda: jpatrick was after you
[12:23] <Riddell> 19:57 < jpatrick> can anyone point me to what I can do to help with the docs?
[12:30] <jpatrick> yeah
[03:21] <Morp> Hello
[03:21] <Morp> Just wondering if its possible to include KDevelop in the next Kubuntu release as in Knoppix.
[03:22] <Riddell> Morp: there's no room on the CD for developers tools, but it's available to download
[03:23] <Morp> Thanks. What about the possiblity to include it maybe in later releases.
[03:24] <Riddell> well there still won't be any room on the CD
[03:24] <Morp> Ok. Thanks.
[03:55] <Riddell> anyone running hoary?
[03:56] <Morp> Yes Riddell
[03:56] <jpatrick> Me too
[03:57] <jpatrick> what are you doing?
[03:57] <Riddell> investigating why printing won't work
[03:57] <Riddell> what happens in hoary if you print a kword file with just "asdfasdf" in it?
[03:57] <jpatrick> I was talking to Kmorph
[03:58] <jpatrick> he's erasing the topics
[03:58] <Kmorph> jpatrick: Sorry about that. I'm trying out some IRC program I just downloaded and I dont seem to know its controls
[03:59] <Kmorph> Thanks
[03:59] <Riddell> Kmorph: how did you manage to erase the topics?
[03:59] <Kmorph> Let me just switch programs
[03:59] <Kmorph> I have no idea
[03:59] <Kmorph> I just logged in with MaxxIM and its just taken control
[04:01] <jpatrick> you can rejoin #kubuntu now
[04:03] <Kmorph> let me just quit the program altogether. Its just bringing some problems
[04:06] <jpatrick> odd
[04:07] <jpatrick> My printer isn't printer
[04:07] <jpatrick> printing*
[04:07] <jpatrick> :-/
[04:09] <jpatrick> hmm..
[04:10] <jpatrick> was working before.
[04:10] <Morp> Morph needs much help. Seems he's lost it
[04:11] <Morp> Kmorph needs much help. Seems he's lost it
[04:11] <jpatrick> don't worry
[04:14] <Morp> I've tried on several occasion to run the Kubuntu live CD on my computer but the sound just isnt there. I tried it on a friend's computer and it worked out smooth. An idea
[04:15] <jpatrick> hmm..
[04:15] <jpatrick> maybe your sound card isn't supported
[04:15] <Morp> I thought so, but wasnt sure.
[04:16] <jpatrick> yeah
[04:17] <Morp> The computer however crashed and I returned it back. Anyway jpatrick, if you were to buy a laptop for extreme coding, what brand would you go for? ;)
[04:18] <jpatrick> dunno
[04:18] <jpatrick> I like Dell
[04:18] <jpatrick> cheap, does the trick
[04:19] <jpatrick> And if you do buy don't buy it at Home go to Small Business (cheaper)
[04:20] <Morp> Some friend had suggested Dell but I was doubtful
[04:20] <Morp> Thanks
[04:20] <jpatrick> You don't have to have a Small Business
[04:21] <Morp> :)
[04:21] <jpatrick> It exactly like Home but cheaper!! :D
[04:23] <Morp> jpatrick, what do you figure out would be the average price? (I have a thing for AMD)
[04:24] <jpatrick> around 900 pounds
[04:25] <jpatrick> http://www.dell.com/
[04:26] <Morp> which Dell (inspiron, latitude or presicion)
[04:26] <jpatrick> oh
[04:27] <jpatrick> 'At this time, Dell does not manufacture any systems with AMD Athlon processors.'
[04:27] <jpatrick> :(
[04:27] <Morp> A buddy of mine working with Dell told that they can make it custom to your specs
[04:28] <jpatrick> yeah you can
[04:29] <jpatrick> Click on a computer and below the specs there's a button called 'Customize it'
[04:49] <jpatrick> Last time I dist-upgraded from Hoary to Breezy it said PERL: Locale settings error
[04:50] <jpatrick> is that wrong?
[04:52] <Riddell> jpatrick: it may happen at some point between upgrading locales
[04:53] <jpatrick> no it happened when the packages started unpacking
[04:54] <Riddell> yes, so the old locales have gone and the new ones arn't in place
[04:54] <jpatrick> ah
[04:54] <jpatrick> Great
[04:54] <Riddell> it should fix itself once the new locale package is installed and locales are generated
[04:54] <jpatrick> If I dist-upgrade will it install a new kernel?
[04:58] <Riddell> quite probably you'll get a new linux build
[04:59] <jpatrick> I've spent the last hour compiling the lastest one
[05:01] <Riddell> if you did it the debian way and made a debian package then it won't install it if your one has a larger version number
[05:02] <jpatrick> mine's 2.6.10
[05:03] <Riddell> 2.6.12 is in breezy
[05:04] <jpatrick> And I'm compiling 2.6.13 on Hoary
[05:06] <jpatrick> sorry 2.6.12.4
[05:09] <jpatrick> Ok I'll upgrade to Breezy then add the new kernel
[05:28] <jpatrick> Is there kubuntu.org repo for Breezy?
[05:30] <Riddell> jpatrick: no
[06:11] <OculusAquilae> hi
[06:12] <Riddell> hello OculusAquilae 
[06:12] <jpatrick> hello
[06:12] <OculusAquilae> what about systemsettings, shouldn't it get scrollbars?
[06:12] <Riddell> OculusAquilae: does it need them?
[06:13] <OculusAquilae> on 1024x786 yes
[06:13] <jpatrick> not here
[06:13] <OculusAquilae> the network configuration needs it for example
[06:14] <Riddell> yeah, the qt designed files for network configuration need a lot of tidyiung
[06:14] <OculusAquilae> I know kde is very much optimized on 1240x1024, but many people have notebooks with 1024x786 only
[06:15] <OculusAquilae> and there are possibly people with 800x600 too
[06:15] <Riddell> KDE policy is that it should work on 800x600
[06:15] <Riddell> that doesn't always happen unfortunatly
[06:15] <Riddell> especially in german, all those long strings
[06:16] <OculusAquilae> kcontrol uses scrollviews for that
[07:39] <pef> bye
[07:39] <jpatrick> cya
[10:44] <jpatrick> Riddell: Is dist-upgrade meant to remove kubuntu-desktop, konqueror, etc ?
[10:45] <Riddell> it is not
[10:46] <Riddell> dist-upgrade probably isn't advisable, just install kubuntu-desktop
[10:46] <jpatrick> Well it's removed Konqueror, Kicker, Kubuntu-desktop and most of the other stuff
[10:47] <jpatrick> even kdm
[10:49] <Riddell> jpatrick: what happens if you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[10:50] <jpatrick> Can't now
[10:50] <jpatrick> still unpacking and setting up stuff
[10:51] <Riddell> cross your fingers
[10:51] <jpatrick> yeah, good idea
[10:56] <jpatrick> xserver-xorg prerm warning: X server provided by xserver-xorg package is being removed; setting /etc/X11/X to point to /bin/true
[10:56] <Riddell> oh dear
[10:57] <jpatrick> now it's unpacking a load of xserver-xorg debs
[10:57] <allee> jpatrick: hmm, I did an apt-get dist-upgrade this afternoon now right now.  No problem.
[10:57] <allee> s/now/and/
[10:58] <Riddell> allee: from hoary to breezy?
[10:58] <jpatrick> I get this problem sometimes:
[10:58] <jpatrick> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[10:58] <jpatrick> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:       LANGUAGE = "en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LANG = "en_GB.UTF-8" are supported and installed on your system. perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
[10:58] <allee> no breezy -> breezy.
[10:58] <jpatrick> But I think Riddell explained that already
[11:01] <allee> lol
[11:02] <jpatrick> it's just removed kb3 klipper kdevelop3 and kdevelop3-data
[11:02] <jpatrick> oh and right now kdevelop3-plugins
[11:03] <jpatrick> some more KDE apps :(
[11:05] <allee> Riddell: pkg policy: digikam #1487 has a trival fix.  Should I post the interdiff to malone or better upload to revu
[11:09] <jpatrick> It almost killed my session
[11:09] <Riddell> allee: what's the number for?  malone?
[11:09] <allee> yeap.
[11:10] <Riddell> allee: post me the patch and I can upload if you want
[11:11] <allee> 'k
[11:16] <jpatrick> As soon as it's done I'm apt-getting kubuntu-desktop
[11:17] <Riddell> wow, digikam binary .deb is 11Megs
[11:18] <allee> 0.7.3 is 24 MB.  0.7.4 will split docs out  digikam -> 2 MB.
[11:35] <jpatrick> so instead of apt-get dist-upgrade I should of done apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ?
[11:38] <allee> dist-upgrade should do.  but breezy is in flux so it does not work all the time.  this will change before release ;)
[11:39] <Riddell> jpatrick: as long as KDE is what you're interested in it's a lot safer
[11:39] <Riddell> allee: that fix going to go to debian too?
[11:40] <allee> Yes. It's already on my disk.
[11:41] <allee> Unfortunately 0.7.4 uses CECILL license.  Got no okay from debian-legel yet :(  So maybe I have to uplaod 0.7.3 first.
[11:41] <jpatrick> I tried installing from the Colony 2 CD
[11:43] <jpatrick> It couldn't detect my wireless card unlike Hoary
[11:43] <Riddell> allee: CECILL licence?
[11:44] <allee> http://www.cecill.info/licences.en.html
[11:44] <allee> french derivative of GPL which tries to take french laws into account
[11:44] <Riddell> hum
[11:44] <Riddell> is it GPL compatible?
[11:45] <allee> They claim yes.
[11:45] <Riddell> hum
[11:45] <allee> but debian-legal had not reached consensus about DFSG status
[11:47] <allee> it's only parts of digikamplugins that use CECILL but digikam version and digikam version are tighly coupled
[11:47] <Riddell> does upstream have a reason for using that licence or are they just trying to be annoying?
[11:47] <allee> digikam 0.7.4 conflicts with digikamimageplugins > 0.7.3
[11:48] <allee> Gilles (french to) uses some quite nice and sophisticated image correction code.
[11:49] <allee> CECILL claim it's GPL compatible but debian tends to tribble check new licenses with respect to DSFG
[11:50] <Riddell> new digikam uploaded, but I forgot to change version from build1 to ubuntu1
[11:50] <Riddell> which means it should sync normally with debian next time so that's OK :)
[11:51] <allee> thx.
[11:52] <Riddell> wait for it to hit the archives then test then close beastie
[11:52] <allee> 'k.  I'm curious too if this works.
[11:54] <allee> nite!
[11:54] <Riddell> guid nicht
[11:55] <allee> Jidisch?
[11:56] <Riddell> Scots
[11:58] <jpatrick> Oh I liked that page you made about the Mozilla thing
[11:58] <Riddell> translating mozilla is horrible, that's why I'm a KDE developer :)
[11:59] <jpatrick> Sounds like a nice job :)