[12:02] <LinKage> wow i lost u what is that?
[12:02] <PieD> check the file /etc/modules : is there a line sk98lin in the file ?
[12:03] <PieD> I give you a command to open a blacklist of drivers
[12:03] <PieD> and I ask you to use the program opened by the command to add a simple line at the end of the file :
[12:03] <PieD> sk98lin
[12:04] <PieD> I also ask you to look at the file /etc/modules : is there a line containing sk98lin in that file ?
[12:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Am I missing something or is Konversation missing the option to tell it how many times it should try reconnecting?
[12:04] <LinKage> omg kate crashed
[12:04] <LinKage> :S
[12:04] <PieD> LinKage: I'm fed up with that problem :
[12:04] <LinKage> im also 
[12:05] <PieD> sudo "echo >> /etc/hotplug/blacklist"
[12:05] <LinKage> tell me though..
[12:05] <LinKage> where is the menu Network device support ?
[12:05] <PieD> it is in the kernel configuration
[12:05] <PieD> I won't explain you how to access this yet
[12:05] <LinKage> where is the kernel configuration ?
[12:05] <LinKage> just tell me it is a menu
[12:05] <LinKage> i just have to try this..
[12:06] <PieD> if you want to waste your time on something you can't do without internet access, then search how to compile a kernel on google
[12:06] <LinKage> ohh come on..
[12:06] <LinKage> what is this..
[12:06] <LinKage> just tell me where is that menu
[12:06] <LinKage> the drivers had an .htm with instructions ill try to follow it
[12:07] <LinKage> i also sent u that..
[12:07] <PieD> I can't tell you since it is not installed by default with kubuntu
[12:07] <PieD> it needs the kernel sources
[12:07] <PieD> time
[12:07] <PieD> and some knowledge
[12:08] <LinKage> you can either help follow the instruction or just tell me where is that menu
[12:08] <LinKage> i cant just sit like that, doing nothing,,
[12:08] <LinKage> i wanna try 
[12:09] <thoreauputic> LinKage: I thought we established that you already had the driver/module - was it the wrong one ?
[12:10] <PieD> but I can't explain you !!!!!
[12:10] <LinKage> ok ok 
[12:10] <LinKage> chill mate
[12:10] <LinKage> and thanks for all the help
[12:10] <LinKage> :)
[12:10] <PieD> a few years ago, when I had time to play with such things, I never succeeded in compiling the kernel
[12:10] <PieD> and I don't want to waste time in searching it yet
[12:11] <LinKage> kk i understand, no worries
[12:16] <seth_k> phew, finally got my mobiles to synch via bluetooth
[12:38] <setite> yay.. dvds look like crap
[12:38] <setite> anyone know why.. there are lines... its not interlacing or deenterlacing or progressive scanning... one of those
[12:41] <hon> nikkia: I finally managed to find out what was wrong with the hub. the problem was this: the router was set to use dhcp to get its own IP address, while our Lan doesn't answer dhcp requests, so finally I entered into configurations interface and change it to static IP.
[12:42] <nikkia> ah
[12:42] <hon> now I am through the hub :)
[12:42] <nikkia> so how come it was working before?
[12:43] <hon> it wasn't! I bypassed the hub for a while (and so the other pc's connected  to it were disconnected for the net) in order to get some network and find out an answer
[12:44] <hon> now I just cannot access the webserver I have on this machine.
[12:45] <hon> there were some options in the hub config interface I must read now
[12:46] <nikkia> hon, if the 'hub' has a config, its not a hub :P
[12:46] <hon> router?
[12:46] <nikkia> sounds more like it
[12:47] <EasterSunshine> kubuntu live...if i use it, will i be able to trasnfer files from a raid0 disk with ntfs parititon to an ide disk with ext3 parititon, in the same box?
[12:47] <EasterSunshine> and, will i be able to run it without an hdd?
[01:04] <arcanistherogue> hey, how do you reinstall grub if you have to install a windows OS?
[01:05] <arcanistherogue> i have like 15 live cds if i need them (b'_')b
[01:05] <dinocore> can anyone recomend a good bittorrent client for kubuntu?
[01:05] <arcanistherogue> i dunno?
[01:06] <arcanistherogue> people like azureus, but i had errors with it
[01:06] <EasterSunshine> azureus
[01:06] <dinocore> yea i havent had good experence with azureus
[01:06] <dinocore> i want something simple
[01:06] <EasterSunshine> arcanistherogue, how would you get one to me?
[01:07] <arcanistherogue> how would i get what?
[01:07] <EasterSunshine> a live cd, you said you have 15
[01:07] <EasterSunshine> oh, nvm, i misread
[01:07] <arcanistherogue> yeah, sorry
[01:07] <arcanistherogue> i ordered them
[01:07] <EasterSunshine> i thought it said, "if you need them"
[01:07] <arcanistherogue> and they arent kubuntu
[01:08] <arcanistherogue> 12 are ubuntu, one is slax, 1 is knoppix, and one is another distro i forgot about.
[01:08] <arcanistherogue> the others i burned myself htough
[01:08] <EasterSunshine> 12 ubuntus?
[01:08] <arcanistherogue> i think its SuSE, the last one
[01:08] <arcanistherogue> yeah :D
[01:09] <EasterSunshine> ubuntu obsession?
[01:09] <dinocore> so anyone know a nice lite weight bittorrent client?
[01:10] <arcanistherogue> well, does anyeon know how to reinstall GRUB bootloader if i install windows XP?
[01:11] <ms12> after installing window put your ubuntu installation cd at the boot prompt type rescue
[01:11] <ms12> let the cd boot normall and set everything like normal install it will give you a command prompt
[01:12] <ms12> at the command prompt type grub-install /dev/hda if ubuntu is on the first harddisk hdb if it is on the second
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> i actually have it on sda
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> sata drive
[01:13] <ms12> so you have /dev/sda
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> indeed
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> anyway
[01:13] <ms12> i think will work this way too
[01:13] <ms12> just after you do that 
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> wait a minute
[01:13] <ms12> edit menu.list to include window in the grub menu
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> could i use a live CD
[01:13] <arcanistherogue> just mount sda
[01:14] <arcanistherogue> then go root
[01:14] <arcanistherogue> if you can
[01:14] <arcanistherogue> and then install GRUB
[01:14] <ms12> try it might work
[01:15] <arcanistherogue> well, What I want to do is install Gentoo onto hda, but for some reason (its an IDE drive) windows made me make a partition on it.  I found a 40 GB drive that is ide, so im gonna put windows on that, but then i dont want to reformat again.  So i'm going to have to get GRUB back.
[01:15] <arcanistherogue> I don't know why windows said so, but it said i needed a partition on the master IDE drive also
[01:16] <arcanistherogue> I just want it to run some of my games, they arent as good as cedega.
[01:16] <arcanistherogue> and photoshop.
[01:16] <arcanistherogue> *in cedega
[01:16] <ms12> how many harddisks you have
[01:17] <arcanistherogue> I have a sata drive, which is my main one, and 2 IDE drives, a 17 GB master and a 5 GB slave (im replacing the slave)
[01:17] <arcanistherogue> im gonna make it a 40 GB master and 17 GB slave
[01:17] <ms12> and where do you have ubuntu now and where is window
[01:18] <arcanistherogue> both are on the SATA one, its 80 GB.  A bit mroe than half is in windows xp (45 GB) and the rest is kubuntu.
[01:18] <arcanistherogue> i can then use the full sata drive for llinux, and then the rest just to fool around with other operating systems.
[01:18] <ms12> so just running grub-install /dev/sda will work then
[01:19] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[01:19] <arcanistherogue> wait, if i were to use the install CD to reinstall grub
[01:19] <ms12> i am not familiar though with the live cd :(
[01:19] <arcanistherogue> would i have to install all the packages all over again
[01:19] <ms12> no you will use it in rescue mode
[01:19] <arcanistherogue> oh, how do i do that?
[01:19] <ms12> thats why i said when it first boot type rescue
[01:20] <arcanistherogue> oh
[01:20] <nikkia> that was entertaining
[01:20] <arcanistherogue> ok, lemme write this down
[01:23] <ms12> arcan so basically at the first boot prompt type rescue
[01:23] <ms12> let it do what it dow it will give you command prompt at the end
[01:24] <ms12> type grub-install /dev/sda
[01:24] <ms12> reboot
[01:24] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[01:24] <arcanistherogue> got it all down
[01:24] <arcanistherogue> k
[01:24] <arcanistherogue> lemme find my windoze disc now...
[01:24] <ms12> sudo gedit  /boot/grub/menu.list
[01:24] <ms12> and enable the window on grub menu
[01:25] <ms12> sudo gedit  /boot/grub/menu.lst
[01:25] <arcanistherogue> hmmm, do i have to do this each time i install a new linux distro?  I plan to fill up the other drives (17 GB) with em
[01:27] <dasunst3r> Hey... can someone help me with cron jobs?
[01:27] <arcanistherogue> what do you need to know about em?
[01:27] <dasunst3r> I'd like a task to run at 12 in the morning every, single Sunday
[01:27] <arcanistherogue> so, weekly?
[01:28] <dasunst3r> I'm in the "edit task" box right now, and I have these things checked: every single month, Sunday, 0 hour, 0 minute
[01:28] <dasunst3r> Yeah
[01:28] <dasunst3r> I just wanted to make sure I've punched in the right settings
[01:28] <arcanistherogue> hmm, i just put the scripts i need to run in the cron folders
[01:28] <arcanistherogue> like /etc/cron.weekly
[01:28] <arcanistherogue> but im not too good at em otherwise >_>
[01:29] <dasunst3r> Oh
[01:29] <arcanistherogue> well, i gotta go install this Gentoo, i hope you get a better answer then mine ._.
[01:29] <dasunst3r> Thanks
[01:29] <ms12> arcanis you just need to edit the /boot/grub/menu.lst only to add whatever other distro you add
[01:29] <EasterSunshine> how would one hide konversation from the taskbar? (i really need to get started on homework... :'-(
[01:30] <dasunst3r> LOL
[01:30] <dasunst3r> Does your Mom know what the heck Konversation is?!
[01:30] <dasunst3r> Aah, security through obscurity might not be that bad after all... :S
[01:32] <dasunst3r> Or do you just need to resist temptation? >-D
[01:34] <EasterSunshine> i can't stop ircing!!!
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> piano lessons are in a couple of minutes...i might miss em
[01:35] <apokryphos> EasterSunshine: type killall konversation in terminal ... good success rate
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> i can't get myself to do it, i'll need to hide it instead
[01:35] <EasterSunshine> and keep it in the system tray
[01:36] <dasunst3r> How about rm -rf / ?!  (j/k)
[01:36] <EasterSunshine> `rm -rf /`? i'll be sure to try it
[01:37] <dasunst3r> Say... how do you check the KDE version?
[01:37] <EasterSunshine> in any kde application, goto help > about...
[01:37] <apokryphos> dasunst3r: kde-config --version
[01:37] <dasunst3r> Aaw... only 3.4.0
[01:37] <EasterSunshine> rm -fr / takes a while, doesn't it...
[01:38] <dasunst3r> Must get 3.4.2 :D
[01:38] <EasterSunshine> lots of permission denied....should i have done it sudo?
[01:38] <ms12> easter do not do that
[01:38] <ms12> dasunst3r do not give bad advise 
[01:38] <dasunst3r> Yeah... don't do that, easter
[01:39] <dasunst3r> Sorry
[01:39] <ms12> he did not know you  are joking
[01:39] <dasunst3r> Oh, gosh... 
[01:39] <EasterSunshine> lol, i am the one joking
[01:39] <dasunst3r> Oh, thank God!
[01:39] <ms12> lool easter haha
[01:39] <dasunst3r> Yeah... sudo!!!
[01:43] <dasunst3r> You know you're addicted to kynaptic when you fire it up more than 4 times a day... -_-
[01:44] <dean> what's uuupppp??? ;-)
[01:45] <EasterSunshine> i fire it up like twenty times a day to help ppl
[01:46] <apokryphos> I always use apt
[01:46] <apokryphos> or KPackage, if I really need a GUI front-end
[01:46] <dasunst3r> Why kpackage?
[01:47] <apokryphos> dasunst3r: it doesn't hog apt once it's opened, has a "filter" search which I easily prefer, and I like the way it handles a few other things
[01:47] <apokryphos> not perfect by any means; its UI is an issue. But hey.
[01:47] <dasunst3r> I see...
[01:49] <equex_> i went trough every package except multiverse when i got kubuntu
[01:49] <dasunst3r> I could tell you guys that I tried SUSE yesterday
[01:49] <dasunst3r> It was like Fedora... another "chicken" distribution (a distro that doesn't include "potentially-illegal" packages, like for MP3 support)
[01:50] <equex> what? is mo3 gonna be forbidden ?
[01:50] <equex> mp3
[01:50] <apokryphos> like [K] ubuntu
[01:50] <dasunst3r> No... it's just that they didn't include support for it because MP3's patente
[01:50] <dasunst3r> patented*
[01:50] <equex> oh the patents yeah thats a nightmare
[01:51] <dasunst3r> I swore to myself that I'll NEVER support a business whose business model thrives on frivilous lawsuits or patent abuse
[01:51] <equex> well i dont respect patents, since anyone can own them without having been involved in the conception of the patent
[01:52] <nikkia> wow, nice
[01:52] <dasunst3r> Lexmark and TigerDirect are on my blacklist already
[01:52] <nikkia> wine locked up my system
[01:52] <equex> patents are now food for lawyers and market sharks
[01:53] <equex> nothing else
[01:53] <dasunst3r> Let me see...
[01:54] <dasunst3r> See you later
[01:55] <dean> can you adding my ATI radeon 9600 to your blacklist?
[01:58] <LinKage> Can some1 help me install drivers for my network card?
[02:00] <LinKage> apokryphos can u help me m8 ?
[02:04] <orkid> (Possibly asked many times). Just installed ubuntu and then kde-core + extras. I want to wipe out everything to do with gnome, but can't find a way to select it. I want to remove all packages that ubuntu-desktop installs, but removing ubuntu-desktop seems to just remove the meta package.
[02:04] <apokryphos> LinKage: sorry, I can't. 
[02:05] <orkid> any ideas on how to achieve what I want? Or to have a gnome-free system, is it best to install from the kubuntu-livecd?
[02:07] <LinKage> apokryphos
[02:07] <LinKage> i have found the drivers
[02:07] <apokryphos> orkid: use the debfoster command
[02:07] <LinKage> i just need some1 to help me follow the instructions
[02:07] <apokryphos> orkid: you can use it with the ubuntu-desktop and the kubuntu-desktop packages. See the man page.
[02:07] <orkid> apokryphos: thanks.
[02:10] <dean> Snape killed Dumbledore! ! ! ! !
[02:19] <LinKage> this is getting pathetic..
[02:19] <LinKage> Can some1 help me install drivers for my network card?
[02:19] <orkid> kde-core seems not to need xserver-xorg, according to debfoster.
[02:19] <orkid> this is odd.
[02:20] <orkid> what net card?
[02:21] <orkid> ...
[02:21] <LinKage> its a Marvell Yukon onboard
[02:21] <LinKage> gigabit ethernet
[02:21] <LinKage> i have found drivers and instructions
[02:21] <LinKage> but the installation fails
[02:21] <orkid> are you at a shell?
[02:22] <LinKage> you can see instructions here
[02:22] <LinKage> http://www.syskonnect.de/syskonnect/support/driver/readme/linux/sk98lin.html
[02:22] <orkid> you need to load the module 'sk98lin'
[02:22] <LinKage> im using my laptop
[02:22] <orkid> ...
[02:22] <LinKage> but today i instsalled kubuntu on my desktop 
[02:22] <orkid> so where is this net card? what do you have usable on that computer?
[02:22] <LinKage> and im trying to set it up
[02:23] <orkid> oh. ... i don't know what kernel (and modules) the kubuntu cd installs... the (gnome) ubuntu install will give you proper modules.
[02:23] <LinKage> its my first time using linux and i dont know nothing
[02:23] <orkid> oh i see.
[02:23] <orkid> do you have your other computer near you?
[02:23] <LinKage> the one using now
[02:24] <LinKage> to talk to u
[02:24] <orkid> the one that your marvell nic is on
[02:24] <orkid> NIC == network interface card.
[02:24] <LinKage> its next me
[02:24] <orkid> okay. do you have a terminal there?
[02:24] <LinKage> yes
[02:24] <orkid> okay. in the terminal type in:
[02:25] <orkid> sudo modprobe sk98lin
[02:25] <orkid> (to load the sk98lin module into your kernel)
[02:25] <orkid> tell me when you're done.
[02:25] <LinKage> done
[02:25] <equex> LinKage: didnt someone find out your card was two or three revisions newer than the latest driver ?
[02:25] <orkid> did that produce errors?
[02:25] <LinKage> no i got the drivers from the cd that came with the mobo
[02:26] <LinKage> no it didnt
[02:26] <orkid> type in:
[02:26] <orkid> lsmod | grep sk98lin
[02:26] <LinKage> done
[02:26] <orkid> what output did it give you?
[02:27] <LinKage> sk98lin 149216 4294967292
[02:27] <orkid> (this was to list all modules loaded in the kernel and find any lines that included 'sk98lin' on them)
[02:27] <orkid> okay. 
[02:27] <orkid> type in:
[02:27] <orkid> sudo ifconfig
[02:27] <LinKage> done
[02:27] <pax> what do you think about this kde ala gnome http://ninux.net/files/kdefoo
[02:27] <orkid> is there any mention of eth0, eth1, ppp0 ?
[02:27] <LinKage> no
[02:28] <LinKage> only lo
[02:28] <orkid> ok, type in:
[02:28] <orkid> sudo ifconfig eth0 up
[02:29] <orkid> (ifconfig is the InterFaceCONFIGurator). eth0 is the first ETHernet device (numbering starts at 0) detected by your kernel.
[02:29] <LinKage> eth0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[02:29] <orkid> mayb equex is right.
[02:29] <orkid> the module did not seem to be the right one (even though the kernel loaded it).
[02:30] <orkid> to remove the module from the kernel type:
[02:30] <orkid> sudo rmmod sk98lin
[02:30] <LinKage> error module in use :S
[02:31] <apokryphos> orkid: I'd only ever use the command in conjugation with kubuntu-desktop
[02:31] <apokryphos> orkid: if you did, it should give you an actual kubuntu setup
[02:31] <orkid> make sure to type in eth'zero', not eth'oh'
[02:31] <orkid> apokryphos: ok.
[02:32] <LinKage> yea it is a zero
[02:32] <LinKage> if i go where i have unzip the drivers
[02:32] <LinKage> i open a terminal 
[02:33] <LinKage> and launch the install
[02:33] <LinKage> during installation all goes ok 
[02:33] <LinKage> except one
[02:33] <LinKage> something wrong with the kernel headers
[02:33] <LinKage> error is cannot compile kernel
[02:34] <orkid> LinkKage: From here I would google for the solution... Get the exact name and model of your NIC chip...possibly from your laptop manufacturer, then google around for that model and linux at the same time, this might give you an idea of what module you need, because sk98lin doesn't seem to work for you.
[02:35] <orkid> laptops are more temperamental than PCs too, so that might be a part of the issue.
[02:35] <LinKage> that module came on the cd with mobo
[02:36] <orkid> your modules are in your /lib/modules directory.
[02:36] <orkid> is that where you copied it from the cd?
[02:36] <LinKage> no
[02:37] <LinKage> there is no folder modules under /lib
[02:38] <orkid> that's odd, as far as i know the kernel usually stores modules there.
[02:38] <orkid> rather, kernel modules are usually stored there.
[02:38] <LinKage> maybe thats the problem 
[02:38] <LinKage> its looks in a folder that doesnt exit
[02:39] <orkid> type in:
[02:39] <orkid> uname -a
[02:40] <orkid> what does it give you?
[02:40] <orkid> what cd did you do this install from anyway? (the ubuntu install)
[02:40] <LinKage> kubuntu
[02:40] <LinKage> 5.04
[02:40] <orkid> kubuntu install cd? or kubuntu live cd?
[02:40] <LinKage> install cd
[02:40] <orkid> so what does uname -a give you?
[02:41] <LinKage> 2.6.10-5-386 #1 and the date
[02:41] <orkid> and there is nothing in /lib/modules/ ?
[02:41] <LinKage> Linux Linkage 2.6.10-5-386 #1 and the date
[02:41] <LinKage> nothing
[02:42] <LinKage> if in console tho 
[02:42] <LinKage> i type cd /lib/modules
[02:42] <LinKage> it gets in that file 
[02:42] <orkid> and then 'ls' ...
[02:42] <orkid> to see what's there.
[02:42] <LinKage> and inside that modules files says 2.6.10-5-386
[02:43] <orkid> that's a directory.
[02:43] <orkid> that's the directory with module for your kernel (version 2.6.10-5 for an i386 and up)
[02:43] <LinKage> ok
[02:43] <LinKage> in that file 2.6..... there is no sk98lin
[02:43] <orkid> do you have that cd with the linux driver?
[02:44] <LinKage> yes id o
[02:44] <LinKage> do
[02:44] <orkid> put that cd in your cdrom, and mount it.
[02:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> !list sdl_mixer
[02:44] <ubotu> Rogue_Jedi_X: I don't know, could you explain it?
[02:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Damn
[02:44] <LinKage> how to mount it ?
[02:44] <orkid> then we'll try to find the right file and copy it to the modules directory.
[02:44] <orkid> type in: 
[02:45] <orkid> well, you might not need to mount it.
[02:45] <orkid> put in the cd and try to access it through kde.
[02:45] <orkid> (e.g. through konqueror)
[02:45] <LinKage> ok done
[02:45] <orkid> can you find the directory with the sk98lin dirvers you were talking about?
[02:46] <LinKage> yes
[02:46] <orkid> is there an sk98lin.o file there?
[02:46] <LinKage> there is a install-7_04.tar.bz2 file and two .htm
[02:46] <orkid> hmm.
[02:47] <orkid> okay, you'll should probably read the webpages (.htm) files that are there.
[02:47] <LinKage> the web pages there is the one i paste u in the beginning
[02:47] <orkid> the .tar.bz2 is an zipped tar file (like a .zip file in windows)
[02:48] <LinKage> if i unzip that file
[02:48] <LinKage> which i have 
[02:48] <LinKage> it has 2 install.sh files
[02:48] <LinKage> readme
[02:48] <LinKage> install.log
[02:49] <LinKage> sk98lin.4
[02:49] <orkid> okay, type this in:
[02:49] <orkid> lspci | grep Marvell
[02:49] <LinKage> sk98lin.tar.bz2
[02:49] <orkid> does it give you: 0000:00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Yukon Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Adapter (rev 13)
[02:50] <LinKage> it gives 0000:02:00,0
[02:50] <LinKage> it gives 0000:02:00.0
[02:50] <LinKage> and at the end unknown device
[02:50] <orkid> does it say something about Marvell, and the model  and etc ?
[02:50] <LinKage> 4362 (rev 15 )
[02:53] <orkid> do you have a k8n motherboard?
[02:53] <LinKage> not its not that
[02:53] <LinKage> sec ill tell u
[02:53] <orkid> what is it?
[02:54] <LinKage> p5gd2
[02:54] <LinKage> its asus
[02:54] <LinKage> socket 775
[02:56] <orkid> okay. there's a thread about it at debian lists:
[02:56] <orkid> http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/05/msg00671.html
[02:57] <orkid> get the latest driver...
[02:57] <orkid> and follow the instructions here:
[02:58] <orkid> http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/readme/linux/sk98lin.html
[02:58] <LinKage> ok
[02:58] <apokryphos> does running khotkeys crash for others here?
[02:58] <orkid> that's the best advice i can give you right now. Your NIC seems to be quite new, and the drivers (and any bugs) are getting ironed out.
[02:58] <LinKage> ill need to burn onto a cd to move it to the desktop 
[02:58] <LinKage> give me 3mins
[03:00] <LinKage> omg i dont have nero on the laptop 
[03:00] <LinKage> let me download it
[03:00] <LinKage> or should i burn with the windows application?
[03:01] <orkid> the driver version on your cd is 7.04, The newest one (on the website) is 8.23
[03:01] <orkid> This should get you going.
[03:05] <orkid> Download the tar.bz2, follow the installation instructions (on website) and choose the Installation Mode (not the patch generation mode). This should install the driver module, without the need of compiling a new kernel. 
[03:06] <LinKage> ok i have the new drivers 
[03:06] <orkid> unzip, and run 'sudo ./install.sh' from ther directory they're in (in the terminal)
[03:06] <LinKage> ok
[03:07] <orkid> it might not be able to find a compiler
[03:08] <LinKage> Check kernel header files (not found)  [failed] 
[03:09] <orkid> so you did a sudo ./install.sh
[03:09] <orkid> and then what.
[03:09] <orkid> ??
[03:09] <kinfo> what?
[03:09] <LinKage> kernel header not found. Please install the linux header files developement package or create a symbolic direcotry
[03:09] <LinKage> sry my typing is not fast
[03:10] <orkid> LinKage: did you type '1'  for Installation Mode, or '2'?
[03:10] <LinKage> 1
[03:10] <orkid> and then did it ask you a question?
[03:10] <orkid> and then you typed 'y' for yes?
[03:11] <LinKage> y
[03:11] <LinKage> yes
[03:11] <orkid> is the kernel-headers error the first line you see, or does it say [   OK   ]  for a few things first?
[03:11] <LinKage> ok for a lot 
[03:12] <orkid> so after whick OK does it say failed?
[03:12] <LinKage> its the one before the last
[03:12] <orkid> what's the last OK check?
[03:12] <LinKage> delete temp directories
[03:12] <LinKage> fail is after remove driver
[03:12] <orkid> sorry, what's the last OK before the first fail.
[03:13] <LinKage> After remove driver
[03:13] <orkid> so the removal of the drive succeded?
[03:13] <LinKage> yes
[03:13] <orkid> try to make sure with 'lsmod | grep sk98lin'
[03:13] <radis> LinKage: did you try apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) ?
[03:13] <orkid> if it doesn't show you anything, then the module is not inserted in the kernel (good)
[03:14] <radis> or linux-headers
[03:14] <radis> i don't remember
[03:14] <LinKage> i have tryed the command with the aptitude
[03:14] <LinKage> i can try it again
[03:14] <radis> try sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:14] <LinKage> if do lsmod.. it gives that number
[03:15] <radis> uname -r gives you the version number of the running kernel
[03:15] <LinKage> k done
[03:15] <radis> try installing your app again
[03:15] <LinKage> 0 upgraded, 0 newly
[03:15] <orkid> radis. with 2.6.10 running the current linux-kernel-headers installed is 2.5.999-test7-bk-17, so i don't know if that'll work.
[03:15] <radis> It should find the headers
[03:16] <radis> orkid: it should
[03:16] <LinKage> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[03:16] <orkid> sudo apt-get install linux-header-$(uname -r)
[03:16] <orkid> Reading package lists... Done
[03:16] <orkid> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:16] <orkid> E: Couldn't find package linux-header-2.6.10-5-386
[03:17] <radis> it's headers
[03:17] <radis> with a S
[03:17] <orkid> ;)
[03:17] <LinKage> huh ?
[03:17] <orkid> you're right, it does pick up a package.
[03:17] <radis> when it's installed, the installer of your program should find the headers now
[03:18] <LinKage> ahhh i lost you guys
[03:18] <orkid> radis: it's odd because i am running a 2.6.10 kernel and the same install.sh that LinKage is trying to run doesn't ask me for headers.
[03:18] <LinKage> im a total noob
[03:18] <radis> orkid: d'oh!
[03:18] <orkid> LinKage: radis is saying to try installing the headers by running: 'sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[03:19] <LinKage> thats what i did
[03:19] <LinKage> headers not header
[03:19] <radis> and what happend?
[03:19] <LinKage> should i try header?
[03:19] <LinKage> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[03:19] <LinKage> thats what happened
[03:19] <radis> did you try header or headers ?
[03:19] <LinKage> readin done
[03:19] <LinKage> buiding done
[03:20] <LinKage> linux header .... is alreader the newest version
[03:20] <LinKage> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded
[03:20] <radis> doh! then it's already installed
[03:20] <radis> that's strange
[03:20] <LinKage> so what is the problem ?
[03:20] <orkid> it's a kubuntu-install installation. 
[03:20] <radis> try apt-get install --reinstall it
[03:20] <LinKage> ok a sec
[03:21] <orkid> and i'm running from a new ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop installation and the ./install.sh file doesn't give me that error.
[03:21] <radis> maybe the link to headers is missing
[03:21] <LinKage> readin done
[03:21] <LinKage> buiding done 
[03:21] <LinKage> E: couldnt find package it
[03:21] <radis> lol
[03:21] <LinKage> :(
[03:22] <radis> apt-get install --reinstall kernel-headers-blahblah
[03:22] <LinKage> whats blabla ???
[03:22] <LinKage> lol
[03:22] <radis> kernel-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:22] <orkid> (whatever he told you before)
[03:23] <LinKage> again the same
[03:23] <LinKage> E: couldnt find package kernel.....
[03:23] <radis> that's strange
[03:23] <orkid> try 'sudo apt-get update'
[03:23] <radis> doh! kernel heraders is the debian way, change it to linux-headers-blabla
[03:24] <radis> I used to confuse those terms
[03:24] <radis> lol
[03:24] <LinKage> with update it just ouput readin done
[03:24] <radis> apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[03:25] <LinKage> ok its doin it
[03:25] <LinKage> done
[03:25] <LinKage> now?
[03:26] <LinKage> sudo ./install.sh ?
[03:26] <orkid> yea
[03:26] <LinKage> again
[03:26] <LinKage> :(((((((((
[03:26] <orkid> same thing... yeah, weird problem.
[03:27] <LinKage> maybe it needs a reboot?
[03:27] <orkid> probably not.
[03:27] <LinKage> damn in windowz that thing always worked
[03:27] <LinKage> lol
[03:28] <radis> do a: file /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build
[03:28] <radis> and paste here the output
[03:28] <LinKage> a sec
[03:29] <LinKage> output is 
[03:29] <orkid> radis: he's trying to install a new version of the sk98lin driver (from website), because his NIC is a rev15, and seems to need it. I have to go.
[03:29] <orkid> LinKage: Good luck with the network drivers. I have to go. Hope I was of some help.
[03:30] <LinKage> thnc 
[03:30] <LinKage> for then help orkid
[03:30] <LinKage> ./lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/build:symbolic link to '/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[03:31] <orkid> LinKage: You're welcome. bye.
[03:31] <LinKage> cya
[03:31] <radis> ok, do: file /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386
[03:31] <radis> to see if it does exists
[03:33] <LinKage> hmmm
[03:33] <LinKage> it didnt open any file
[03:33] <radis> what?
[03:34] <LinKage> isnt suppose to open a file?
[03:34] <radis> no, it should give you some info about the file if it exists
[03:34] <radis> what kind of file is
[03:34] <LinKage> it just said /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.10-5-386: direcotry
[03:34] <radis> ah, its okay
[03:34] <LinKage> :)
[03:34] <radis> so, that's damn strange
[03:35] <radis> you appear to have the headers installed and running
[03:35] <radis> but by some damn reason, the installer doesn't see it
[03:35] <LinKage> so ?
[03:35] <LinKage> ok how can i make the installer to see it?
[03:35] <radis> does the installer have a readme file to figure out how to tell it where it can find the headers?
[03:36] <LinKage> hmm
[03:36] <LinKage> open the install.sh with kate?
[03:36] <radis> it is a single file?
[03:37] <LinKage> install.sh yea
[03:37] <LinKage> is one
[03:37] <radis> is there any "README" file or something like that inside the directory?
[03:37] <LinKage> yes
[03:37] <radis> check it out, maybe you can specify the installer where to locate the headers
[03:37] <radis> or, send me that file
[03:38] <LinKage> http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/htm/sk9elin.htm
[03:38] <LinKage> u can get it from here
[03:38] <radis> Let me see it
[03:38] <LinKage> ok
[03:42] <radis> LinKage: it's not that simple to install your driver
[03:42] <LinKage> :O
[03:42] <radis> it needs the full and configured kernel source
[03:42] <LinKage> :(
[03:42] <radis> whe installer patches the sources and you need to rebuild your kernel
[03:42] <LinKage> can u drive me throught?
[03:43] <radis> You need to learn how to compile your kernel for your machine, specify what kind of hardware do you have, etc
[03:43] <radis> it's not that easy to tell you
[03:43] <LinKage> :(
[03:43] <radis> you need to take a look at some documentation place about how to compile your kernel
[03:43] <LinKage> well to learn all these will take ages by having just one day under linux
[03:44] <radis> no, just google for "kernel compiling howto"
[03:44] <LinKage> ok
[03:44] <LinKage> thanx for the help mate
[03:45] <LinKage> :)
[03:45] <radis> now, I need to go to take some sleep, I'm really tired
[03:45] <radis> no problem :), good luck
[03:45] <radis> see you
[03:45] <LinKage> thnx
[03:45] <LinKage> see u
[04:05] <jesusfish> is there a way to re-install lilo or grub from a live cd?
[04:06] <jesusfish> to fix a MBR that Win messed up
[05:12] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I'm having problems trying to run Kubuntu
[05:12] <jdsbluedevl> I'm trying to switch the desktop from GNOME to KDE, but it keeps saying that it failed
[05:14] <jdsbluedevl> the terminal is spitting out "invoke-rc.d: inistscript kdm, action "reload" failed."
[05:14] <jdsbluedevl> and I installed Kubuntu on a system that had Ubuntu already
[05:14] <jdsbluedevl> with apt-get
[05:17] <jdsbluedevl> is anyone here?
[05:17] <EasterSunshine> we're idling
[05:17] <jdsbluedevl> ok
[05:17] <EasterSunshine> you can except an answer within a month
[05:18] <jdsbluedevl> haha
[05:18] <jdsbluedevl> well, I guess I gotta wake someone up
[05:18] <EasterSunshine> did you do apt-get install kubutnu-desktop ?
[05:18] <jdsbluedevl> yeah
[05:19] <jdsbluedevl> and then I did sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[05:19] <jdsbluedevl> and then it asked me which desktop I wanted, and I selected kdm
[05:19] <jdsbluedevl> then it gave me that error
[05:19] <EasterSunshine> ack, you know more about it then i do...
[05:19] <EasterSunshine> i just downloaded the kubuntu cd fromthe start
[05:19] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, and I'm a total n00b
[05:19] <EasterSunshine> kdm isn't the desktop, it is the login screen
[05:19] <jdsbluedevl> I didn't want to do that b/c I already had burned Ubuntu
[05:20] <jdsbluedevl> well, it told me that loading kdm failed
[05:20] <jdsbluedevl> oh, and then installed Ubuntu, so I didn't want to go through that hassle again
[05:20] <EasterSunshine> well i'm also a n00b and i'm stumped
[05:21] <jdsbluedevl> no kidding, I'm wondering where the 13373rz are
[05:21] <c0rrupt_> sleep
[05:21] <jdsbluedevl> would you know what the problem is?
[05:22] <c0rrupt_> what are you trying to do
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> I installed Kubuntu through apt-get and tried to change to KDE
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> it's giving me an error
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> invoke-rc.d: initscript kdm, action "reload" failed.
[05:22] <c0rrupt_> installed it in what
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> in Ubuntu
[05:23] <c0rrupt_> so
[05:23] <jdsbluedevl> I had already installed Ubuntu
[05:23] <c0rrupt_> ..
[05:23] <c0rrupt_> did you install kde?
[05:23] <jdsbluedevl> if by that you mean kubuntu, yes
[05:23] <c0rrupt_> ubuntu is kubuntu just with kde, but you know that
[05:23] <jdsbluedevl> yeah
[05:23] <c0rrupt_> all you need to do is install kde
[05:23] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, but I can't switch over
[05:24] <c0rrupt_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[05:24] <c0rrupt_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE?
[05:24] <c0rrupt_> did you check that out
[05:24] <pax> jdsbluedevl: sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm keep gdm
[05:24] <jdsbluedevl> I don't want gdm, I want kdm
[05:25] <pax> jdsbluedevl: reinstall it
[05:25] <jdsbluedevl> ok
[05:25] <pax> sudo apt-get --purge remove kdm
[05:25] <apokryphos> jdsbluedevl: Try updating to kde 3.4.2
[05:26] <c0rrupt_> -.-
[05:26] <apokryphos> !kde342
[05:26] <ubotu> hmm... kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[05:26] <jdsbluedevl> ok
[05:27] <jdsbluedevl> so I install kubuntu-desktop, kde, and kde-core?
[05:27] <jdsbluedevl> or is there an order?
[05:27] <apokryphos> jdsbluedevl: just kubuntu-desktop
[05:27] <pax> kubuntu-desktop is all you need
[05:27] <apokryphos> the other metapackages are for things that kubuntu-desktop would bring in
[05:27] <cjohn> can anyone help a newbi?
[05:28] <cjohn> i'm trying to install a sound driver and i am lost
[05:28] <apokryphos> I'm out for now, but....
[05:29] <jdsbluedevl> ok, so I type in apt-get install kubuntu-desktop?
[05:29] <apokryphos> jdsbluedevl: not sure if the kubuntu-desktop has been updated to grab in latest kde stuff; do kde-config --prefix after you install kubuntu-desktop to see if it brought it in. 
[05:29] <pax> jdsbluedevl: didnt you install it already and had problem with kdm?
[05:29] <apokryphos> jdsbluedevl: if it didn't; just do sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:29] <apokryphos> pax: I think he means for upgrading
[05:29] <jdsbluedevl> 3.4.0
[05:30] <apokryphos> jdsbluedevl: put the new source in your sources.list; sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:30] <apokryphos> ...easiest way, actually
[05:30] <jdsbluedevl> ok, where do I find sources.list?
[05:31] <pax> jdsbluedevl: did you add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main to your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[05:31] <apokryphos> *kde-config --version, not --prefix. Gah. That's the third time I've done that mistake recently. Heh.
[05:32] <jdsbluedevl> wherehow do I edit the sources.list?
[05:32] <jdsbluedevl> is that emacs?
[05:32] <pax> jdsbluedevl: use any editor you like kate, kedit, nano ..
[05:33] <cjohn> Can anyone help a newbie with updating  sound and Video?
[05:33] <pax> jdsbluedevl: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:33] <pax> cjohn: I would start with the wiki
[05:33] <cjohn> Thanks
[05:35] <jdsbluedevl> so, I put deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main at the end of the file?
[05:35] <pax> jdsbluedevl: yes
[05:35] <pax> jdsbluedevl: then sudo apt-get update
[05:35] <pax> jdsbluedevl: then sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:35] <pax> jdsbluedevl: then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:36] <jdsbluedevl> ok
[05:36] <jdsbluedevl> could I edit the file in OpenOffice?
[05:36] <jdsbluedevl> b/c I'm trying, and I can't type
[05:36] <pax> I dont see why not
[05:36] <jdsbluedevl> well, I can't edit
[05:36] <pax> you have to be root
[05:36] <pax> jdsbluedevl: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:39] <jdsbluedevl> thx
[05:41] <jdsbluedevl> 10 minutes? grr.
[05:41] <pax> 10 minutes for what?
[05:42] <jdsbluedevl> upgrading
[05:42] <pax> depends on your connection and box speed :-)
[05:43] <jdsbluedevl> well, it's a fast DSL connection
[05:43] <jdsbluedevl> it's more like, I wanted it done now!!  waa, waa, waa
[05:44] <pax> the upgrade is worth the '10 minutes' hehe
[05:49] <jdsbluedevl> haha, new headline on Yahoo, "Microsoft sees 3 'critical' Windows security flaws"
[05:50] <jdsbluedevl> Mac + Linux = Bill Gates can suck on lemons
[05:51] <c0rrupt_> upnp
[05:51] <c0rrupt_> ms05-039
[05:59] <ms12> anyone know why i do not have any control on firefox fonts
[06:02] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I enable root? -.-
[06:02] <I_Eat_Plastic> Good isn't help for me.
[06:03] <I_Eat_Plastic> google* heh
[06:03] <ms12> sudo
[06:03] <pax> I_Eat_Plastic: sudo -i
[06:03] <ms12> sudo and command name will give you same right as root
[06:03] <jdsbluedevl> if I read correctly, I think you do sudo passwd root
[06:03] <pax> I_Eat_Plastic: if you mean enabling the root account then, sudo passwd root
[06:04] <I_Eat_Plastic> Thank you.
[06:05] <pax> ms12: change the display resolution according to your screen resolution
[06:06] <pax> I use 72dpi for firefox, works well
[06:06] <ms12> pax will try that thanx
[06:07] <ms12> should not i use system setting in display resol
[06:07] <ms12> by the way i too use 72dpi
[06:07] <ms12> better on my notebook
[06:08] <richardkillingsw> hello
[06:08] <richardkillingsw> i just installed opera
[06:08] <richardkillingsw> and i need to know how to make it appear in my main menu
[06:09] <pax> ms12: you can control display resolution of firefox, it's in edit > prefs > general > fonts ..
[06:09] <ms12> i did that
[06:09] <ms12> but whatever i make the font is the same
[06:09] <pax> richardkillingsw: you can use kmenuedit to add it
[06:09] <ms12> and thats for the proper page code
[06:10] <ms12> richard also right click on the menu will open the menu editor
[06:10] <richardkillingsw> where is that at
[06:11] <pax> richardkillingsw: right click on the kmenu > menu editor
[06:11] <richardkillingsw> but i dont see that on here
[06:12] <pax> richardkillingsw: are you on kubuntu?
[06:13] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, I need a C compiler
[06:13] <I_Eat_Plastic> Where can I get this?
[06:13] <c0rrupt_> gcc
[06:13] <c0rrupt_> apt-get install gcc
[06:13] <ms12> i-eat why you need it?
[06:13] <I_Eat_Plastic> gtk
[06:13] <c0rrupt_> everyone does
[06:14] <ms12> apt-get install build-essentials i think what you are looking for
[06:16] <kalenedrael> hmm
[06:16] <jdsbluedevl> ok, all of that is done.  Do I log out and log back in now for the changes to take effect?
[06:17] <jdsbluedevl> or should it update automatically?
[06:17] <pax> jdsbluedevl: yes, don't reboot tho
[06:17] <jdsbluedevl> ok, thx
[06:24] <richardkillingsw> yes im on kubuntu
[06:24] <richardkillingsw> where is this menu editor at on here
[06:27] <ms12> richard move with the mouse to the K icon then right click the mouse botton will open the editor to you
[06:27] <pax> richardkillingsw: in console type: kmenuedit
[06:28] <richardkillingsw> ok
[06:28] <richardkillingsw> now what
[06:29] <richardkillingsw> how do i put opera in here
[06:29] <richardkillingsw> into kmenuedit
[06:30] <pax> click help > handbook > using kmenuedit
[06:36] <richardkillingsw> ok for opera what do i put into the command section on kmenuedit
[06:36] <_frank> richardkillingsw: opera I think
[06:36] <richardkillingsw> ok
[06:36] <richardkillingsw> does it have %'s in it
[06:36] <pax> richardkillingsw: /usr/bin/opera
[06:36] <_frank> I have no idea, I don't even have opera
[06:36] <richardkillingsw> ok
[06:37] <richardkillingsw> what about the work path
[06:37] <pax> empty
[06:38] <richardkillingsw> ok
[06:38] <richardkillingsw> is that it then
[06:38] <richardkillingsw> i have the icon
[06:38] <pax> save
[06:38] <richardkillingsw> super sweet
[06:38] <richardkillingsw> it works
[06:38] <richardkillingsw> :)
[06:39] <richardkillingsw> so i can do this for any program i install on here that is non kubuntu
[06:39] <richardkillingsw> ok now one more thing
[06:40] <richardkillingsw> can i put opera into my internet section on my main menu
[06:40] <_frank> richardkillingsw: most packages add their link in the menu but some don't
[06:40] <richardkillingsw> or do i have to leave it by itself
[06:40] <richardkillingsw> ok
[06:40] <_frank> richardkillingsw: you can put it anywhere in the menu with kmenuedit
[06:41] <pax> richardkillingsw: yes you can, just drag with the mouse to the internet section
[06:41] <richardkillingsw> ok got that
[06:41] <richardkillingsw> sweet 
[06:41] <richardkillingsw> i appreciate this 
[06:42] <richardkillingsw> thanks
[06:42] <twidget> Is there such a thing in Linux as a DVD data recovery program?
[06:43] <pax> what are you trying to do?
[06:43] <twidget> I have several DVDs that I burned data to using K3b that now I am unable to mount them
[06:45] <twidget> wait, would not having cdrdao installed be the problem?
[06:45] <pax> hehe
[06:45] <pax> didnt k3b ask you to install it the first time you fired it up?
[06:45] <twidget> wwe're about to find out
[06:46] <_frank> pax: its not necessary if you do TAO I think
[06:46] <twidget> yeah, I trashed my install, that's what started all this
[06:46] <twidget> What's TAO?
[06:47] <_frank> track at once dao = disc at once
[06:47] <_frank> both should work I think
[06:47] <twidget> ah
[06:48] <richardkillingsw> ok i need to install libdvdcss on kubuntu
[06:48] <_frank> you can install cdrdao and try again
[06:48] <richardkillingsw> how do i do this
[06:48] <richardkillingsw> the libdvdcss folder with the install stuff is on my desktop
[06:48] <richardkillingsw> should this be in my home folder
[06:49] <richardkillingsw> and what should i type in x terminal to install this 
[06:49] <_frank> richardkillingsw: get libdvdcss from backports
[06:49] <richardkillingsw> what backports
[06:49] <_frank> richardkillingsw: x86, right?
[06:49] <richardkillingsw> yeah
[06:49] <richardkillingsw> im a noob
[06:49] <richardkillingsw> ok
[06:49] <_frank> you know how to add repositories?
[06:50] <richardkillingsw> repositories?
[06:50] <richardkillingsw> how do i do that
[06:50] <_frank> ok 
[06:50] <_frank> !repositories
[06:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, repositories is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[06:51] <_frank> !backports
[06:51] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[06:51] <richardkillingsw> oh those 
[06:51] <richardkillingsw> i have that handled
[06:51] <richardkillingsw> in synaptics
[06:51] <richardkillingsw> right
[06:52] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[06:52] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[06:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> why when I try to install nvidia drivers it asks for kernel source?
[06:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> then stops, and won't let me install.
[06:53] <_frank> I_Eat_Plastic: trying to install via synaptic or official drivers?
[06:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> officical
[06:53] <_frank> you know you can get them from synaptic? not the latest though
[06:54] <I_Eat_Plastic> _frank: How?
[06:55] <_frank> install nvidia-glx and nvidia-settings in synaptic
[06:56] <_frank> I_Eat_Plastic: they will work fine unless you have a Geforce 7800 or something like that
[06:56] <_frank> !nvidia
[06:56] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[06:57] <I_Eat_Plastic> Thanks for the help.
[06:58] <I_Eat_Plastic> @ _frank
[06:58] <_frank> np
[06:59] <richardkillingsw> theres no libdvdcss in the repositories
[07:01] <richardkillingsw> where can i get libdvdcss at
[07:01] <_frank> richardkillingsw: its in hoar-extras
[07:02] <crimsun> richardkillingsw: debian-marillat or hoary-extras
[07:02] <_frank> richardkillingsw: its in hoary-extras
[07:02] <richardkillingsw> and this is in synaptic right
[07:03] <_frank> richardkillingsw: did you add backports and hit reload?
[07:03] <richardkillingsw> ive had backports
[07:03] <richardkillingsw> universe
[07:03] <richardkillingsw> right
[07:04] <_frank> not universe, backports
[07:04] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:04] <_frank> and 
[07:04] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:05] <richardkillingsw> oh
[07:05] <_frank> backports is not restricted by the legalities of ubuntu ;-)
[07:05] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:05] <I_Eat_Plastic> doe kubuntu comes pre-packaged with firefox?
[07:06] <_frank> I_Eat_Plastic: no you can get with kynaptic
[07:06] <richardkillingsw> yes it does
[07:06] <richardkillingsw> it just has a different icon
[07:06] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, really?
[07:06] <richardkillingsw> it has a globe icon
[07:06] <richardkillingsw> of the earth
[07:07] <richardkillingsw> its in the internet section on your application menu
[07:07] <richardkillingsw> and its on your top bar also
[07:07] <_frank> I_Eat_Plastic: firefox is not on a default kubuntu install
[07:07] <richardkillingsw> yeah it is
[07:07] <I_Eat_Plastic> It's not.
[07:07] <_frank> (I'm pretty sure about that)
[07:07] <richardkillingsw> i got it when i installed
[07:07] <richardkillingsw> what version do you have
[07:08] <_frank> richardkillingsw: did you install ubuntu first?
[07:08] <richardkillingsw> of ubuntu
[07:08] <I_Eat_Plastic> Yeah,
[07:08] <I_Eat_Plastic> He prob did.
[07:08] <_frank> I_Eat_Plastic: you can get firefox in kynaptic
[07:08] <richardkillingsw> yeah
[07:08] <richardkillingsw> i did
[07:08] <I_Eat_Plastic> I didn't ;-;
[07:08] <_frank> richardkillingsw: that's why you have firefox
[07:08] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:09] <I_Eat_Plastic> Anyways, do you know the command _frank
[07:09] <richardkillingsw> do i click on restricted or universe on here
[07:09] <_frank> sudo apt-get install mozilla-firefox
[07:09] <_frank> of use kynaptic
[07:09] <richardkillingsw> http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/dists/hoary-extras/multiverse/
[07:09] <_frank> or*
[07:09] <richardkillingsw> this is where im at now
[07:10] <richardkillingsw> what do i click on to get the backports
[07:10] <_frank> richardkillingsw: in synaptic you have to add a custom repository
[07:10] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:12] <_frank> richardkillingsw: you can also edit /etc/apt/sources.list to do the changes in the repositories
[07:12] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:12] <richardkillingsw> well i went into the repositories part on synaptics
[07:13] <twidget> What are some of the editors? kate crashes
[07:13] <richardkillingsw> how do i enable the backports on there
[07:13] <_frank> richardkillingsw: any ways, once you have universe, multiverse and backports, you'll have pretty much anything you need at your figer tips
[07:13] <richardkillingsw> i have universe and multiverse
[07:13] <_frank> richardkillingsw: yeah click add -> custom -> then paste the  line that starts with deb
[07:14] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:14] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, anothere question, how do I change my screen res?
[07:14] <_frank> twidget: why does it crash? did you do sudo kate
[07:14] <richardkillingsw> whats the apt line for backports
[07:14] <_frank> !resolution
[07:14] <ubotu> from memory, resolution is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:14] <twidget> yes
[07:14] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[07:15] <_frank> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:15] <twidget> there's another one I can't think of that works
[07:15] <_frank> richardkillingsw: pay attention, thats the 3rd time I paste the,
[07:15] <twidget> not gedit...
[07:15] <twidget> nemo?
[07:16] <_frank> twidget: use ksysguard to kill the kate process and next time use kdesu kate to start it with root priviledges
[07:16] <_frank> twidget: there is nano on the console
[07:16] <twidget> nano!
[07:16] <twidget> that's it
[07:17] <richardkillingsw> ok i typed that now what
[07:18] <richardkillingsw> and i added them into the list 
[07:18] <_frank> confirm and it will do a reload I think
[07:18] <richardkillingsw> ok it worked
[07:18] <richardkillingsw> thanks
[07:19] <_frank> then search for libdvdcss
[07:19] <richardkillingsw> ok i did
[07:19] <_frank> you can also install java very easily now
[07:19] <richardkillingsw> cool
[07:19] <richardkillingsw> is shockwave in here too
[07:19] <richardkillingsw> i need that too
[07:19] <richardkillingsw> you know the player
[07:20] <richardkillingsw> i need the shockwave player on here
[07:20] <_frank> sun-j2re for java
[07:20] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:20] <_frank> shockwave is not there
[07:20] <_frank> I never installed shockwave
[07:20] <richardkillingsw> how can i get shockave for linux
[07:21] <richardkillingsw> does it exists
[07:21] <richardkillingsw> i really need it
[07:21] <_frank> richardkillingsw: from the shockwave website maybe
[07:21] <richardkillingsw> ok
[07:21] <richardkillingsw> thanks
[07:31] <milksteak> I don't think there is shockwave for linux
[07:31] <milksteak> but bleh
[07:31] <jpowers> afaik, codeweavers wine supports it.
[07:32] <jpowers> of course, that's shockwave for windows
[07:32] <jpowers> supported by wine under linux.
[07:33] <milksteak> yes
[07:33] <milksteak> cxoffice supports it
[07:33] <milksteak> but bleh
[07:34] <milksteak> he's gone anyway
[08:02] <drawagoat> hey how can i get opengl to work with an ati mobility radeon.....?
[08:05] <seth_k> drawagoat, what model?
[08:06] <TheGnome> fglrx drivers 
[08:08] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, how do I mount a CD?
[08:08] <TheGnome> you eat it
[08:09] <I_Eat_Plastic> Comon,
[08:09] <TheGnome> use konqeror
[08:10] <bjv> bah, make a mount point, or find something unsuspecting. mount /dev/hdWhereYourDriveIs /pathtomountpoint
[08:10] <bjv> live a little.
[08:10] <drawagoat> oh sryr here i am
[08:11] <drawagoat> 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6 LY
[08:11] <drawagoat> thats my video card.... its a 4 year old fujitsu laptop
[08:15] <TheGnome> hello
[08:15] <TheGnome> I_Eat_Plastic, did you get it?
[08:15] <I_Eat_Plastic> Yeah,
[08:15] <I_Eat_Plastic> I didn't know it was in /media
[08:16] <TheGnome> yeah
[08:17] <drawagoat> i installed some fglrx drivers i think but opengl still sint working...
[08:34] <alakhia> hi, how do I put my laptop on standby? I tried "apm -S" but that didn't work
[08:37] <bjv> man i should enable suspend-to-ram in bios.
[08:37] <bjv> id really like to get suspend to disk working. but im lazy.
[08:37] <alakhia> i tried enabling power management in kde ... but that would crash my laptop
[08:38] <alakhia> With 2.6 kernel, I can't even do something simple like standby ... apm was so easy
[08:38] <alakhia> the acpi command only shows status ... doesn't allow me to standby
[08:40] <caller> does anyone know of a good texas hold 'em game?
[08:42] <bjv> apt-cache search texas hold em
[08:42] <bjv> libpoker3d - 3D multiplayer online poker game, libraries
[08:42] <bjv> poker3d - 3D multiplayer online poker game
[08:42] <bjv> poker3d-data - 3D multiplayer online poker game, data files
[08:42] <bjv> poker3d-server - 3D multiplayer online poker game, server side
[08:56] <caller> bjv, thank you
[08:57] <caller> I'm still looking for some Texas Hold 'Em game though
[08:57] <caller> Not a 3D or Online thing... :/
[08:59] <Tri-Bun> need help pls
[09:02] <_hon> Tri-Bun: what's up?
[09:08] <hussam> I did an apt-get update today and there is an update to libc6 in hoary-updates. Do I need to reboot after I install that?
[09:10] <bjv> well caller, i searched for "texas hold em"  and that came up... so i would guess it uses that string of text somewhere..
[09:10] <bjv> and multiplayer is so much more fun in all cases!
[09:10] <bjv> scratch that. not if it is ruining the FF series.
[09:13] <caller> So, nobody knows of a linux texas holdem app?
[09:14] <bjv> did you see if poker3d has texas holdem?
[09:14] <bjv> did you check for an offline play option? O_o
[09:14] <bjv> no-one is going to find out but you.. lol.
[09:15] <LordGrunt> hello
[09:15] <LordGrunt> anyone using firefox here?
[09:16] <bjv> ys
[09:19] <LordGrunt>  i got small problem, firefox keeps trying to install new extensions and motives into /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox, which is unaccesible from user profile
[09:19] <LordGrunt> i cant install anything new :(
[09:20] <bjv> strange, my version have all tried to write their stuff to ~/.mozillla/
[09:20] <LordGrunt> your version is from apt-get or official firefox biuld?
[09:20] <bjv> uh.. bothish
[09:20] <hussam> LordGrunt: what extension is that. all extensions for firefox 1.0.x should install in your profile dir
[09:20] <bjv> ive got 3 versions, from both sources.
[09:21] <LordGrunt> hussam: none of these do
[09:21] <hussam> LordGrunt: what are they?
[09:22] <LordGrunt> right after i hit install, it just shows window with list of extensions or motives and new doesnt appear there
[09:23] <LordGrunt> hussam: that doesnt matter, i try many and get the same result
[09:23] <hussam> LordGrunt: I think you have to run firefox at least once as root before you can install any extensions.
[09:24] <bjv> :/                  i dont think i've ever run firefox as root.
[09:24] <bjv> is this an apt-gotten version we are talking about?
[09:24] <LordGrunt> yep, that would be knda wicked solution
[09:24] <LordGrunt> yes, from debs
[09:24] <hussam> if build from mozilla.org , then it has to be ran as root once.
[09:25] <hussam> I wouldn't know since I make my own firefox builds.
[09:25] <bjv> oh, :P    you are right. i am now remembering the steps i went thru installing from the nightlys or w/e
[09:28] <LordGrunt> weird, right now hitting xpi on webpage doesnt do *anything*
[09:29] <LordGrunt> hell, i better go back to mozilla, at least it works
[09:30] <hussam> LordGrunt: close firefox, do sudo firefox, close it again
[09:30] <hussam> LordGrunt: run it again then try reinstalling your extensions
[09:32] <bjv> by default arent extension installs only allowed from localhost?
[09:33] <bjv> wait, that may not be default.. that might just be how i run it.. and i never change my config between upgrades... -_-
[09:33] <bjv> n/m
[09:53] <LordGrunt> hey, i installed from package on firefox website, now everything works fine
[09:54] <bjv> problem unsolved, but circumvented. congrats. :)
[09:54] <LordGrunt> and this vesrion puts all extensions in home profile dir
[09:55] <hussam> LordGrunt: yeah, I'm using the Linux installer from mozilla.org, works great here too.
[09:55] <LordGrunt> so it looks like deb build from main repository just sucks ;)
[09:55] <hussam> what about performance, which looks better?
[09:57] <LordGrunt> not sure yet
[09:57] <LordGrunt> ill check after i install my fav theme
[10:37] <znh> !zn
[10:37] <ubotu> znh: No idea
[10:37] <znh> !znh
[10:37] <ubotu> [znh]  1337
[10:38] <znh> :[] 
[11:22] <verwilst> man, kubuntu has some serious arts sound issues :p
[11:22] <verwilst> it has the worst arts experience from all distros i used
[11:23] <verwilst> constant skipping, ...
[11:59] <\_aidback> is it possibe to enable rw permission on ntfs partitions?
[11:59] <P3L|C4N0> no
[11:59] <\_aidback> ah, okay
[12:00] <\_aidback> cause i use an external hd to keep my mp3s on and i think its messing amarok up
[12:00] <P3L|C4N0> NTFS read only
[12:00] <\_aidback> it scans the directories fine but doesnt load them into my playlist
[12:01] <\_aidback> ick
[12:01] <\_aidback> k
[12:05] <hussam> Is there any tool I can use tp check the temperature of the CPU from inside Kubuntu?
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> sensors
[12:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> the package is sensors-lm
[12:07] <hussam> I couldn't find a package sensors-lm
[12:08] <hussam> are you sure of the name?
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lm-sensors - utilities to read temperature/voltage/fan sensors
[12:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry :$
[12:15] <hussam> ok thanks, installing it now
[12:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool.
[12:22] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: ok, installed, how do I use it?
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> run sensors-detect
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> and say yes to everything pretty much
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> then run "sensors" to see
[12:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> you may have to reboot.
[12:26] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: it's asking if ic2-dev is built into kernel. should I say yes or no?
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> erm. i forget what i said. say yes and see what happens :D)
[12:29] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: now it says: do you want to use ISA bus ot the I2C/SMBus. what's that?
[12:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes you do
[12:30] <hussam> I choose ISA or I2C/smbus ?
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure
[12:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> any more info?
[12:31] <hussam> I'll go ahead and choose I2C
[12:32] <hussam> I'll reboot to check if this works
[12:32] <Almindor> hello, why is gaim in packages so old?
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> Almindor: because it's stable
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> a [k] Ubuntu release doent have major upgrades to existing software
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> the next release upgrades everything, btu if you stick with the default version they only apply patches
[12:36] <Almindor> oh
[12:36] <Almindor> well it's .. not stable
[12:36] <Almindor> some settings get ignored, and I get frequent disconnects
[12:36] <Almindor> I guess once the next kubuntu is out everything will get major updates
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> try backports if the one there isnt good enough
[12:38] <Mez> Almindor, try backports, it has Gaim 1.4.0
[12:38] <Almindor> backports?
[12:39] <Almindor> where do I get backports url?
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> !repos
[12:39] <ubotu> I heard repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[12:39] <Mez> no
[12:39] <Mez> !backports
[12:39] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[12:39] <Mez> Kamping_Kaiser, backports is official now :d
[12:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> fine :P
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> get all modern :P
[12:40] <Mez> Almindor, add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:40] <Mez> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:43] <Almindor> ok one more thing
[12:43] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks it works :)
[12:43] <Almindor> is there a way to tell kynaptic to ignore broken packages?
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool hussam i was starting to wonder ;)
[12:43] <Almindor> I got one debian package which has dependencies based on newer c libs(works with older no prob)
[12:43] <Almindor> I forced it and It works, so I'd like to keep it
[12:44] <Almindor> is there a way to tell apt-get to basicly not check this package on operations?
[12:44] <Raptoid> faklar..
[12:44] <hussam> Kamping_Kaiser: but the CPU and M/B temp are too high. CPU temp is 53 'C
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh mines out as well
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not sure whta to do 
[12:50] <paines> hi
[12:50] <paines> breeze installable or still broken ?
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> intsallable but broken
[12:51] <paines> :-(
[12:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:52] <paines> so, what is broken ?
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm using Ubuntu, but same sort of things i expect
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> so sound, video, OO.o, nautilus, X in general, etc
[12:54] <adi_> hi
[12:54] <adi_> i qnewed help
[12:54] <paines> ouch
[12:54] <adi_> sorry
[12:55] <paines> that is mucho
[12:55] <adi_> i need help please
[12:55] <adi_> s.one speak english ? 
[12:55] <paines> just ask 
[12:55] <paines> if anyone can answer and is willing to help, you will get an answer
[12:55] <adi_> well, i  installed kubuntu, i managed to get the things, but there is no root password
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol :S
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> adi_: use sudo
[12:56] <adi_> i need to alien some rpms
[12:56] <adi_> how do i do that with sudo ? 
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> sudo alian -i evil.RPM
[12:56] <paines> sudo -i will make you root, or do sudo alien -d your.rpm
[12:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> <your passwd>
[12:57] <adi_> i'll try 
[12:58] <nikkia> oops
[12:58] <nikkia> i thought it was quiet in here, my scrollbar was stuck at 9:30am :P
[12:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. hate that
[12:58] <paines> hrhr
[01:05] <nikkia> wow, the iptables in hoary is old :P
[01:05] <hussam> oops sorry, damn xchat
[01:06] <_buz> what will we get 1st sept?
[01:06] <_buz> a RC?
[01:06] <nikkia> i lacked ip6tables* on my system, so just copied them from my kubuntu machine.... complains that the apps are 1.2.11 and netfilter is 1.3.2 :)
[01:06] <_buz> i wont install it until the rc comes
[01:07] <danb> Hi- does anyone know of a scanner copy tool for Linux? So I can scan something then print it 1:1 in a couple of clicks?
[01:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> danb: xsane?
[01:08] <danb> kamping: xsane doesn't support pinting
[01:08] <danb> printing
[01:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> realy? oh
[01:09] <danb> I've tried GIMP (printing doesn't work at all), Krita (scanning dodgy), xsane (no print feature), quiteinsane..
[01:09] <_buz> kooka?
[01:10] <_buz> says scan and ocr program
[01:10] <nikkia> danb: it would be easy to write one
[01:10] <_buz> andsince kde software generally  can print
[01:10] <nikkia> just use the command line interface to sane, to scan, then print :)
[01:10] <nikkia> maybe 4 lines of shell script :)
[01:10] <_buz> yes kooka can print
[01:11] <_buz> and it should be preinsatlled even
[01:11] <_buz> i  know i didnt install it anyway
[01:11] <danb> buz: my dad demands a copy feature i.e click scan, then print, out comes a 1:1 copy
[01:11] <nikkia> danb, again, 4 lines of shell script + a .desktop file :P
[01:11] <_buz> seems like kooka would do that
[01:11] <danb> kooka doesn't seem to have that
[01:11] <danb> i can't see it anyway
[01:11] <_buz> i have no scanner atatched
[01:11] <_buz> but printing it can
[01:12] <_buz> what cant you see
[01:13] <_buz> i see a print icon
[01:13] <_buz> no scanner but theres none attached so that makes sense in a way
[01:17] <laser_tk> How to chance the kde menu button? Is kbfx only option?
[01:25] <nikkia> anyone on an IPv6 connection here willing to do a little test for me ?
[01:29] <znh> Message to all dutch kubuntu users: Er is een nederlandse kubuntu kanaal!! - #kubuntu-nl
[01:32] <nikkia> where's uniq_ when you need him ? :P
[01:34] <PieD> nikkia: hi
[01:34] <nikkia> hie pied
[01:34] <PieD> finally, what did Linkage do yesterday (for me that was yesterday)
[01:34] <nikkia> pied, i dunno, i went to bed before he finished, i think
[01:34] <nikkia> as i said, i was suffering from the storm, wasn't really able to focus on the screen
[01:35] <PieD> did he really try to compile the kernel ?
[01:35] <nikkia> whever there is a storm, i get a real weird dull pain in my frontal lobes, its probably related to the mild epilepsy i inherited from my father :/
[01:35] <nikkia> pied, i can't remember
[01:36] <nikkia> oh, thats right, i wasn't here
[01:37] <nikkia> i was messing about with VST support, and each time i tried a plugin it would crash X or lock my system up
[01:37] <nikkia> so i didn't bother reopening kvirc each time
[01:38] <nikkia> (just looked at my logs and wondered why there was a big hole between 00:35 and 08:21 :)
[02:16] <AnHu> hello, my problem: I dowloaded the kubuntu breey daily live CD yesterday, but I cannot login. How can I do this?
[02:25] <hussam> the 2.6.12 kernel ib breezy. is it 2.6.12.4 or 2.6.12.0 ?
[02:26] <paines> where are those breezy live cd's ?
[02:27] <AnHu> http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/daily-live/20050812/
[02:27] <paines> thanks
[02:28] <paines> no AMD64 ?
[02:28] <paines> :-(
[02:28] <AnHu> there were AMD64 live cds a few days before
[02:28] <PieD> paines: http://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/kubuntu/daily-live/20050809/
[02:29] <PieD> => AMD64 CDs
[02:29] <paines> yeah, just found it
[02:29] <paines> thank AnHu and PieD 
[02:30] <apokryphos> PieD, nikkia: two people ended up telling him to do pretty much the exact same stuff; few other things too, but it came down to "you'll have to compile your kernel". 
[02:31] <PieD> why didn't somebody remember us to try ndiswrapper ?
[02:32] <apokryphos> Dunno. Only thing in my mind was... trying to get that to work took up nearly his whole day (and some of others'). Surely that makes it worth spending a couple of bucks :|
[02:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, i'da been out the door to buy an RTL8139 card about 30 minutes after starting that mess :P
[02:33] <nikkia> even at somewhere like pcworld, they're a pittance
[02:33] <apokryphos> I would've sent him one if I knew he was nearby. Got a few lying around
[02:33] <AnHu> paines: but it could be very unstable
[02:33] <nikkia> 10 maybe, and that's WAAAY overpriced :)
[02:33] <PieD> nikkia: I fear we gave him a bad feeling of linux :/
[02:34] <nikkia> pied, that always happens with driver issues, not much 'we' can do about it
[02:34] <PieD> linux has issues with drivers
[02:34] <nikkia> pied, its the same when you tell someone 'oh dear' when they say they have an ATI card, a few hours later, and they usually go away in a huff
[02:34] <PieD> the problem is that the driver is relying on the kernel
[02:35] <PieD> the driver can't be copied directly to another machine
[02:35] <nikkia> i honestly can't understand WHY the driver was that way
[02:35] <paines> AnHu, okay. but it is possible to install from the live cd ?
[02:35] <PieD> even if it's the kernel is the same version, it won't work if it isn't exactly the same compilation
[02:35] <PieD> and that's bad
[02:36] <nikkia> tbh, the best advice to give him, would probably have been to apt-get the kernel sources, rip out the old sk98lin directory contents and replace them with the vendor supplied kernel directory, and just let kubuntu build a new kernel package
[02:36] <nikkia> but even thats a lot of work, and a lot of places to go wrong
[02:36] <AnHu> paines: no
[02:36] <PieD> without internet connexion ?
[02:37] <nikkia> pied, linux-sources might be on the cd, if not, its just one .deb to download
[02:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: here we go, d-link RTL8139 based card, 4.50 from ebuyer
[02:37] <PieD> kernel sources are quite big, even compressed
[02:38] <nikkia> pied, he had a connection on the other machine, and it's less than the size of a blank CD :P
[02:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: I must look out for how cheap they are at this computer market
[02:38] <apokryphos> Going next (not this) Saturday if my grades are ok :)
[02:39] <paines> AnHu, okay. thx
[02:41] <AnHu> there's the breezy-install-c
[02:41] <AnHu> d
[02:44] <ekimus> i have a problem remastering the ppc live cd. i'm following the wiki (LiveCDCustomizationHowTo). but the cd just won't boot. even tried remastering without any changes just recreating the cd. no success
[02:45] <PieD> nikkia: aren't you disturbed by the fact that a network cardwindows driver is often easier to install under linux using ndiswrapper than a native linux driver ?
[02:47] <nikkia> pied, i'm disturbed that a network card vendor would supply native linux drivers that are clearly modified versions of the ones in the kernel, but there appears to be no effort to get those drivers integrated into the kernel itself
[02:47] <nikkia> especially given that any driver on a CD is going to be a few months old, and the drivers still aren't in the latest kernel
[02:48] <nikkia> pied, even if the company somehow thinks they can take GPL drivers and modify them and not release them as GPL, the source is there, legally they ARE GPLed whether the company believes so or not, so there is no justification in not adding them
[02:48] <PieD> yes, I know
[02:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, i found one cheaper
[02:49] <nikkia> 'Dynamode NC100-TX ethernet card, 2.99'
[02:50] <apokryphos> is it possible ;-)
[02:50] <nikkia> and dyanmode confirm its 8139 based
[02:50] <nikkia> dynamode, even
[02:51] <nikkia> really, you could buy 10 at that price, and it still be cheaper than trying to justify 4 hours of hacking around trying to get something to work :P
[02:52] <apokryphos> 'zactly
[02:52] <PieD> wasting hardware is never a solution
[02:53] <buz> the RTL isnt fast
[02:53] <buz> but it does the job juuust fine
[02:53] <nikkia> buz, they work
[02:53] <buz> i know
[02:53] <buz> i've used shitloads of them
[02:53] <nikkia> buz, but what you just said perfectly described the NE2000 too :)
[02:54] <PieD> "After discussing this with several people I have decided to stop working on EGL and Xgl." ...........
[02:54] <buz> i thought the NE2000 was slightly more efficient
[02:54] <nikkia> i had WD800 series in my machines, because they were *fast*, but the NE2000s were cheap, not the fastest, but 'just works'
[02:54] <nikkia> buz, erm, even in its day, the NE2000 wasn't fast
[02:54] <buz> DECs were fast
[02:54] <nikkia> and 'its day' was 13 years ago :)
[02:54] <buz> later became intels chipsets
[02:54] <buz> these days, i couldnt care less
[02:54] <nikkia> buz, the WD800s were the fastest, IME
[02:55] <nikkia> they were one of the first that actually made use of DMA too
[02:55] <nikkia> then the 3c509 happened
[02:55] <nikkia> and it became THE ethernet card to use
[02:57] <buz> of course 
[02:57] <buz> these days i just stick with the onboard stuff
[02:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: heh, ebuyer have their own RTL8319 based card
[02:58] <nikkia> cost.... 1.69
[02:58] <apokryphos> hahaha
[02:58] <buz> even 4 years ago i could get the thigns for 4$ in hongkong
[02:59] <buz> retail, no less
[02:59] <apokryphos> buz: I think travelling there to get it to save the hassle (of before) is a step too far :P
[02:59] <nikkia> buz, the problem with on-board 'net, is that you get idiot companies that try to put some fancy chipset on the board
[02:59] <buz> true
[02:59] <buz> but just to make the point :)
[02:59] <nikkia> buz, for example, my asus board *should* have an E1000
[02:59] <apokryphos> yah, I know.
[02:59] <nikkia> does it ? no, asus thought that they'd disable it and replace it with a broadcom gig lan for the 'deluxe' version
[03:00] <nikkia> thankfully, its a broadcom chip that has pretty much always 'just worked' in linux
[03:04] <incinerator> arg, my kwallet is b0rked, anybody else having problems with it?
[03:07] <incinerator> oh, i just realised, glibc update, better reboot then ggg
[03:10] <setite> hey i tried to update kde via the update manager butit failed
[03:10] <setite> what do i use
[03:11] <apokryphos> setite: do you have 3.4.2 packages?
[03:11] <setite> i just tried to get them... i just added the repo as the link in the topic indicated
[03:12] <apokryphos> setite: then did sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[03:12] <setite> update manager
[03:12] <apokryphos> actually... sudo apt-get dist-upgrade is better for the second part
[03:12] <apokryphos> setite: try using sudo apt-get dist-upgrade instead. I don't know what the update manager does exactly
[03:12] <setite> ok yea thats what the error suggest.. i was just wanting to make sure i dont end up with whatever follows hoary
[03:13] <apokryphos> setite: if there's nothing saying "breezy" in your sources.list, then that's not possible
[03:13] <setite> it wont give me breezy will it
[03:13] <setite> oh ok good
[03:13] <setite> damnit i hate when it asks for the cd
[03:14] <setite> im about to remove that fromt eh repo list
[03:14] <apokryphos> You can -- I did straight away.
[03:14] <apokryphos> Just comment it out
[03:14] <setite> and i have an issue with it at that
[03:14] <setite> it always asks for the cd like 50 timies
[03:15] <setite> as if i was removing it again and again and again which im not
[03:15] <apokryphos> heh
[03:17] <setite> im trying to find it so i can comment it out
[03:17] <setite> oh on the VERRY top
[03:18] <setite> i just wonder why the update manager failed
[03:18] <setite> shit this failed too
[03:19] <setite> apokryphos: can you take a look at the errors?
[03:19] <apokryphos> setite: sure; www.pastebin.com the output
[03:20] <setite> http://pastebin.com/335256
[03:21] <apokryphos> You shouldn't be using marillat repos
[03:21] <apokryphos> they can muck up things
[03:21] <setite> i can temporarily comment them out.. i used them for libdvdcss2
[03:22] <apokryphos> You also don't have the 3.4.2 repository there :)
[03:22] <setite> yea i do
[03:22] <apokryphos> setite: you don't need marillat for that
[03:22] <setite> ill show you my repo list
[03:23] <setite> http://pastebin.com/335261
[03:23] <apokryphos> hm, ok, it didn't hit it.
[03:23] <setite> possibly because it faile prior
[03:23] <setite> i commented them out so ill try again
[03:23] <apokryphos> !info libdvdcss2
[03:23] <ubotu> libdvdcss2: (portable abstraction library for DVD decryption), section libs, is optional. Version: 1.2.8-1~5.04ubp1 (hoary), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 47 kB
[03:24] <setite> ok it worked thsi time
[03:24] <apokryphos> setite: also, you may wanna get the gpg keys so you don't get the error on apt-get updating
[03:24] <apokryphos> !gpg
[03:24] <ubotu> [gpg]  at http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html#h2add
[03:25] <apokryphos> Riddell: shouldn't there be a "download" tab on the kubu site?
[03:25] <apokryphos> Riddell: someone mentioned some time ago it took them more than half an hour to find, since the news tucks it down
[03:25] <setite> ok it didnt upgrate
[03:25] <setite> imma restart.. maybe thats it.. brb
[03:26] <apokryphos> :S
[03:26] <jpatrick> Maybe move it above the news ticker :p
[03:27] <Riddell> apokryphos: yes, I need to redesign the website front page layout.  I'm waiting on elmo to set me up a testbed to play about in
[03:27] <apokryphos> ok
[03:28] <incinerator> okies, revert the kwallet alert, reboot fixed it ggg
[03:29] <setite> ok looks like i have new apps... but not the right kde stilll
[03:29] <apokryphos> setite: do this by the terminal. It's easier to see what's going wrong...
[03:29] <apokryphos> setite: have you done sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[03:30] <setite> yes
[03:30] <setite> join #flood
[03:30] <apokryphos> setite: kde-config --version ?
[03:31] <setite> ok i posted in flood
[03:31] <setite> 3.4.2.. ok then why
[03:31] <nikkia> argh, its going to storm again
[03:31] <apokryphos> setite: yah, so what's the prob?
[03:32] <setite> haha im trying to update my x server
[03:32] <setite> hehe got konfused
[03:32] <setite> how do i update that to 4.3 or up
[03:33] <jpatrick> you can't
[03:33] <setite> damn
[03:33] <setite> ok
[03:33] <jpatrick> What KDE/X?
[03:33] <setite> x
[03:33] <jpatrick> oh
[03:34] <nikkia> setite, [k] ubuntu doesn't use xfree anyway, it uses xorg
[03:34] <setite> when i try to configure my desktop one option is unavailable because it says i need x server 4.3 or up
[03:34] <nikkia> so you should be asking how to upgrade to 6.8.2 :)
[03:35] <setite> i said 4.3 or up
[03:35] <nikkia> (which it already is, iirc)
[03:35] <setite> which is what the thing says... so whatvver i should update to is what i want
[03:35] <setite> i want newness!
[03:35] <nikkia> setite, *sigh* Xorg 6.8.2 is newer than xfree 4.3 anyway
[03:36] <setite> actually i wanna play dvds without lines or heavy pixellation more than anything.. a task i have never accomplished
[03:36] <setite> i love how loud linux is though
[03:36] <setite> i could never get powerdvd to play my dvds loud enough
[03:37] <setite> actually lemme focus
[03:37] <setite> anyone have an EVDO card... preferrably a v620.. or are able to help me with a PPP setup
[03:37] <setite> ive been following many threads and failing miserably
[03:37] <nikkia> uniq, are you there??
[03:38] <setite> i need help because that is the only thing tying me to windows on this computer.. the inability to use my mobile internet
[03:38] <setite> once it works i can completely clear this pc.. and go linux only
[03:40] <setite> damn everyone got quiet
[03:40] <setite> i cant believe i have yet to find someone in the forums who has one
[03:41] <setite> and ps... i also think kubuntu is a better choice for a windows user.. than plain ubuntu
[03:41] <setite> just because it seems more graphical...
[03:42] <setite> like when you open conqueror.. and its like a mini control panel of sorts
[03:45] <jpatrick> GNOME's just too brown if you ask me
[03:45] <Morp> Sure jpatrick
[03:45] <setite> well yea that too.. its almost depressing
[03:46] <jpatrick> And I like my widgets
[03:47] <setite> yea but you gotta grant credit for oneand one being ugly to start not
[03:47] <setite> grrr can i disable the onboard mouse on my laptop
[03:48] <setite> its making typing impossible
[03:48] <setite> i need like a cover for it
[03:48] <nikkia> setite, usually only if you plug in a ps/2 mouse
[03:48] <setite> ?
[03:48] <setite> use what
[03:48] <setite> i use a usb mouse
[03:49] <setite> i would love if there was a way to make the inbuilt mouse shut off when the usb one is plugged in
[03:52] <Jatos> hi
[03:56] <jpatrick> oi
[03:58] <seaLne> go Riddell :)
[03:59] <Jatos> ?
[03:59] <jpatrick> he was trying things out he said
[04:06] <Jatos> so whats everyone doing this weekeend?
[04:07] <Jatos> core is very quiet in here...
[04:07] <jpatrick> I'm just compiling a new kernel right now
[04:07] <Jatos> ah
[04:08] <Jatos> sounds fun
[04:08] <Jatos> I am going to france...
[04:08] <jpatrick> cool
[04:08] <Jatos> brittany
[04:08] <jpatrick> never been there
[04:08] <Jatos> anyone from that area here?
[04:09] <Jatos> and damn is the GTK slow or what...
[04:09] <PieD> I'm from France
[04:09] <PieD> and yes, gtk is slow
[04:09] <Jatos> kk, I think you said before didn't you
[04:09] <PieD> it'll be even slower with gtk 2.8 because of cairo !
[04:10] <PieD> hopefully, cairo can use hardware acceleration through opengl
[04:10] <Jatos> which part of france do yuo come from pied?
[04:10] <PieD> so it may be perhaps faster
[04:10] <PieD> North
[04:10] <PieD> (from Lille...)
[04:10] <Jatos> ah
[04:10] <sproingie> yes  but in the meantime they'll show hci studies that say sluggish responsiveness is a good thing
[04:10] <Jatos> I heard of lille before, just trying to remember where it is
[04:11] <sproingie> after all, apple's GUI is sluggish under load, and it's the most perfect thing there is
[04:11] <Jatos> hehe...
[04:11] <sproingie> there must have been a palace coup in the gnome camp
[04:11] <Jatos> yeah I bet
[04:11] <sproingie> wasn't miguel plugging win32 stuff?
[04:11] <Jatos> actualy I am using GTK on a windows PC
[04:11] <setite> yay i buggered my setup again
[04:11] <sproingie> now it's all a big apple homage
[04:11] <setite> whats the command to reconfigure the xserver
[04:12] <setite> as many times as i need it i still cant remember i
[04:12] <Jatos> erm....
[04:12] <setite> t
[04:12] <apokryphos> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:12] <sproingie> Jatos: gtk is actually pretty decent on linux.  it's *horrid* on windows
[04:12] <PieD> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[04:12] <PieD> too late :/
[04:12] <apokryphos> sproingie: even worse on kde
[04:12] <sproingie> every gtk app i have on windows is buggy and crashy and slow
[04:12] <apokryphos> unless youe vade it with the engines pack
[04:12] <Jatos> well is even worse because I am using it on a 100mhx libretto laptop
[04:12] <sproingie> well kde doesnt really run on win unless you count cygwin
[04:12] <sproingie> and i don'tt
[04:12] <apokryphos> sproingie: firefox has always been reasonably stable for me
[04:13] <sproingie> apokryphos: firefox barely uses gtk
[04:13] <sproingie> it uses it a lot more on linux
[04:13] <apokryphos> sproingie: no, I meant gtk apps on kde... horrid :P
[04:13] <sproingie> and guess what, ff on linux is worse
[04:13] <Jatos> it doesn't use GTK at all on linux (firefox)
[04:13] <nikkia> sproingie: what about kvirc ?
[04:13] <Jatos> *on windows, its does use it on linux doh
[04:13] <apokryphos> I wouldn't have known. :|
[04:14] <sproingie> i thought it used some gtk for canvases, really low level stuff
[04:14] <sproingie> i guess they ported it to native a while ago
[04:14] <sproingie> kvirc i never really liked that much
[04:14] <Jatos> no, gtk, windows and firefox don't go to together, if does, why does it run on windows without gtk installed?
[04:14] <PieD> report bugs !
[04:15] <nikkia> sproingie: the point is, its a native KDE app that runs under windows, without cygwin hacks
[04:15] <Jatos> can I get kate ot run on windows?
[04:15] <PieD> sproingie: off course, everybody knows developers release crashy apps
[04:15] <nikkia> sproingie: apparently using some GPL-only Qt for windows distribution that doesn't exist officially
[04:15] <sproingie> spiffy.  let's get the rest of kde ported, now that qt win32 has its license sorted out :)
[04:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: how does it manage that?
[04:15] <PieD> Jatos: no
[04:15] <sproingie> nikkia: qt win32 has the same license as the xlib version now i believe
[04:16] <nikkia> sproingie: only Qt4
[04:16] <sproingie> ah
[04:16] <Jatos> damn because notepad++ sucks
[04:16] <nikkia> sproingie: kvirc is (naturally) a Qt3 app
[04:16] <Jatos> btw, I have cygwin installed
[04:16] <nikkia> for which there is officially no GPL libs for windows
[04:16] <sproingie> Jatos: notepad++ is pretty good for me ... what do you recommend that's fast?
[04:16] <Jatos> kate..., or textpad if you want to bu
[04:16] <Jatos> y the program
[04:17] <setite> anyone have an MX510 or mx500 mouse with the back and forward buttons working?
[04:17] <sproingie> textpad wasnt so great.  kate would be kind of heavyweight on windows
[04:17] <apokryphos> sproingie: Kate is the best 8)
[04:17] <nikkia> sproingie: i'm guessing the kvirc people arranged some private 'non-commercial' license with trolltech for Qt on windows
[04:17] <nikkia> (and it does put '[non commercial] ' at the start of the title bar :)
[04:17] <sproingie> nikkia: possibly.  or it's just a rogue port and troll isn't enforcing it because they've already opened qt4
[04:17] <nikkia> which is really annoying, because it breaks the taskbar features of kvirc :/
[04:18] <sproingie> or they're using a retrograde version of qt
[04:18] <sproingie> let's hope for a windows port of kde4
[04:18] <nikkia> lets not :P
[04:19] <Jatos> lol, I woulf love kde4 for win
[04:19] <nikkia> i'd rather the time and effort be expended on making it better on linux
[04:19] <setite> hey the mouse program is scewy i just realized
[04:19] <sproingie> yes, and by sucking in 10s of thousands more users, you'll get more support as well
[04:20] <setite> it says that it recognizes a usb logitech mouse.. and that the driver loaded but it cant access the mouse... possiblt due to permissions problems
[04:20] <sproingie> i dont get a choice what desktop to run at work, but if i can run konqueror as my file manager, i might actually be more productive
[04:20] <setite> how do i get my main user root power over my mouse
[04:20] <sproingie> you don't have gpm running or anything, do you?
[04:21] <Jatos> anyoe think we could get micrfosoft todo a windows port for unix...
[04:21] <Jatos> I wish...
[04:21] <nikkia> sproingie: you really think that a windows port of kde would attract thousands of users? i have my doubts
[04:21] <Jatos> i don't...
[04:22] <Jatos> Idon't have my doubts that is
[04:22] <nikkia> jatos, just because YOU would use it, doesn't mean thousands of others would
[04:23] <Jatos> I am not so sure, lets face it what would you prefer as a shell, explore.exe or kde?
[04:23] <sproingie> microsoft HAS a windows "port" for unix
[04:23] <sproingie> it's called mainwin, they bought it from mainsoft
[04:23] <sproingie> they used it for IE for unix
[04:23] <nikkia> jatos, 99.99999% of windows users are happy with explorer, sadly
[04:23] <sproingie> not that they plan on using it any more
[04:23] <Jatos> how d oyou get it?
[04:23] <nikkia> jatos, the rest probably already use one of the free shell replacements that has more eye candy than KDE anyway :)
[04:23] <sproingie> nikkia: i'd say at least 1/5th of windows users prefer an alternate browser
[04:24] <nikkia> sproingie: we're talking about the windows interface, not web browsing
[04:24] <sproingie> be it firefox, mozilla, netscape, or opera
[04:24] <Jatos> yeah but consider the fact that a lot of linux users are forced to use windows for something
[04:24] <sproingie> oh.  i actually dont think explorer is all that bad.  konq of course blows it away
[04:24] <nikkia> jatos, if they have any control over installing software, they'd have installed linux already
[04:24] <Jatos> anythihing gecko based suits me browser wise
[04:24] <nikkia> jatos, most linux users that 'have to use windows' do so in a corporate environment where replacing explorer.exe with kde wouldn't be allowed
[04:25] <sproingie> nikkia: there's a big difference between having control over installing stuff and installing a whole other OS
[04:25] <nikkia> sproingie: not when it comes to replacing the shell, there isn't
[04:25] <sproingie> i wouldn't need to replace explorer.exe with konq, just run konq
[04:25] <Jatos> lol, well in my home I have to have at least one windows pc accessible to me to run everything I needc running
[04:25] <sproingie> i wouldn't need to replace the taskbar with kicker.  i couldn't run kwin
[04:25] <sproingie> but even running kde ala carte would still be a big productivity boost for me
[04:26] <Jatos> YEP
[04:26] <nikkia> sproingie: i don't deny SOME people would do it, but i can't envison it happening en masse
[04:26] <sproingie> i'm thinking of asking for 256 megs extra ram so i can run a colinux instance comfortably on my windows box
[04:27] <Jatos> well thereds two people who already like the idea, and thats only this chatroom
[04:27] <nikkia> jatos, a chatroom that is a biased sample space
[04:27] <sproingie> nikkia: kde as a desktop on windows, not a chance.  kde apps i can see tho
[04:27] <Jatos> yes true...
[04:27] <sproingie> konqueror i can definitely see
[04:27] <sproingie> as file manager and browser
[04:27] <gemuend> I dont want a windows port
[04:27] <Jatos> providing someone fixed its FTP capablilities
[04:28] <sproingie> Jatos: can't be half as bad as explorer's ftp
[04:28] <sproingie> explorer's ftp doesn't even have functional drag and drop to the desktop
[04:28] <Jatos> as a webmaster I can tell you konqueroro is worse than IE for FTP
[04:28] <sproingie> it's single threaded and locks up explorer while it's loading
[04:29] <nikkia> sproingie: you still run a single explorer thread? how quaint :)
[04:29] <gemuend> maybe the windows port will attract people
[04:29] <gemuend> but i imagine it will attract the _wrong_ people
[04:29] <sproingie> explorer always runs as at most two processes
[04:29] <nikkia> sproingie: erm, no
[04:30] <sproingie> one for the desktop, one for the windows
[04:30] <nikkia> sproingie: there is an option to set it to use a process per window
[04:30] <nikkia> everyone with any sense enables it, as it stops explorer blocking/crashing-so-much
[04:30] <sproingie> i thought that stopped working ever since ie5
[04:30] <sproingie> i must have it on then, since file copy ops don't block other explorer windows
[04:31] <sproingie> but ftp is magical, it reaches out and hoses everything til it connects
[04:31] <buz> ftp is about the crappiest protocol in use
[04:31] <Jatos> tell me about it buz
[04:31] <sproingie> i would rather see good webdav support in konq
[04:31] <apokryphos> erm, why exactly?
[04:31] <buz> webdav support is ok
[04:31] <sproingie> ftp i'm willing to relegate to the commandline forever
[04:31] <nikkia> i miss fsp
[04:31] <buz> ftp has weird idea about using ports, really
[04:31] <sproingie> ftp is older than tcp/ip
[04:32] <Jatos> when I get my dedi, and whens I don't know I will use NFS to communicate with it
[04:32] <sproingie> it made sense back when it was first around
[04:32] <nikkia> jatos, erk, NFS is a really bad choice
[04:32] <nikkia> jatos, NFS has *really* bad failure modes
[04:32] <Jatos> y?
[04:32] <sproingie> nikkia: no, it has bad failure modes on linux
[04:32] <sproingie> linux nfs is wretched awful
[04:32] <nikkia> sproingie: no, it has bad failure modes, period
[04:32] <sproingie> on freebsd it's merely tolerable
[04:32] <Jatos> what are nfs's failure points?
[04:33] <sproingie> it's damn fine on sun
[04:33] <nikkia> sproingie: i've used it on solaris networks, it has bad failure modes there too
[04:33] <sproingie> nikkia: no worse than cifs
[04:33] <buz> nfs doesnt even have auth
[04:33] <nikkia> jatos, if the remote host goes down, there is a 50/50 chance it'll zombify processes
[04:33] <buz> what kind of braindeadness ist hat
[04:33] <sproingie> buz: patently untrue
[04:33] <buz> yeah like auth on the client was worth a dime
[04:33] <sproingie> nfs supports kerberos and even smb auth
[04:33] <nikkia> jatos, and there isn't a guarentee the processes de-zombify if/when the remote host comes back up
[04:34] <sproingie> not on LINUX mind you
[04:34] <sproingie> linux has one of the worst nfs implementations in existence
[04:34] <buz> not on the bsds either
[04:34] <nikkia> sproingie: you need to be using RPC for those
[04:34] <sproingie> nfs is itself an RPC thing
[04:34] <nikkia> sproingie: and enabling RPC based NFS to get auth, is my idea of backwards security
[04:34] <nikkia> sproingie: no, it can be RPC or it can work purely in the TCP domain
[04:35] <sproingie> nfs generally implies rpc.  linux's rpc is of course from the 80's
[04:35] <sproingie> sun also fixed that too
[04:35] <sproingie> not that RPC is any damn good
[04:35] <sproingie> NFS is pretty bad, but done right it's no worse than cifs, and it has some nice stuff like failover and load balancing
[04:36] <sproingie> still wouldn't mind seeing stuff like coda get wide use tho
[04:36] <buz> if coda actually worked
[04:36] <sproingie> maybe see code worked into nfsv5
[04:37] <sproingie> NFS is turning into X really.  something old and crusty everyone hates, but able to be replaced at any level
[04:37] <Jatos> so what do you think would be the best protocol to d/l andupload from my dedi?
[04:37] <buz> sftp
[04:37] <buz> or fish
[04:37] <Jatos> sftp?
[04:37] <sproingie> fish ownz
[04:37] <nikkia> yeah, sftp is painless with konqueror's integration
[04:37] <sproingie> ah yes, another reason ftp can die with dignity
[04:37] <sproingie> sftp
[04:38] <buz> fish and sftp, one of the killer features in kde, really
[04:38] <Jatos> c an I mount a folder on server onot my local system fs using fish?
[04:38] <sproingie> sftp's ok, fish is really clever
[04:38] <buz> in konqueror you can
[04:38] <sproingie> i wish emacs supported kioslaves
[04:38] <buz> fish needs a shell account
[04:38] <buz> sftp can be done without shell access
[04:38] <sproingie> fish is a lot more reliable than emacs tramp
[04:38] <sproingie> despite being the same idea
[04:38] <Jatos> ig I buy a dedi  I will ssh on it
[04:39] <nikkia> sproingie: doesn't tramp support just about everything fish does, anyway ?
[04:39] <sproingie> nikkia: yeah but tramp in my experience is REALLY brittle
[04:40] <sproingie> i just use another keybinding now that invokes rsync instead of dealing with the slowness and brittleness of tramp
[04:40] <Almindor> hello again :)
[04:40] <Almindor> how do I set locale ?
[04:40] <buz> is fish more efficient than sftp?
[04:40] <sproingie> oh no
[04:40] <buz> sftp probably moves the whole file yes?
[04:40] <sproingie> fish is not what you could call fast
[04:40] <Almindor> I've installed my language pack + i18n but I still get english in locale
[04:40] <apokryphos> sproingie: faster than ftp for me
[04:40] <sproingie> apokryphos: even passive ftp?
[04:40] <apokryphos> not as fast as ssh :P
[04:40] <sproingie> ftp servers are often slow
[04:41] <Jatos> btw, is is possible to mount an ftp site on your local filesystem?
[04:41] <sproingie> huh.  scp is almost ALWAYS slower than ftp due to the crypto overhead
[04:41] <sproingie> must be a real braindead ftp server
[04:41] <sproingie> Jatos: there's been hacks to do it, nothing official
[04:41] <Jatos> ah
[04:41] <sproingie> i bet a usermode filesystem could do it
[04:42] <Jatos> where would I get such a hack?
[04:42] <sproingie> i'd love to see a usermode filesystem for arbitrary kioslaves
[04:42] <sproingie> combine with an automounter
[04:42] <buz> i thought there was  a project to use kioslaves as usermode filesystems
[04:42] <sproingie> cd fish:/
[04:42] <sproingie> it needs to ship with kde
[04:44] <Almindor> is the new kde much better?
[04:44] <Almindor> did they finaly fix that klipper bug ?:)
[04:44] <sproingie> less following the cookbook, more salient examples of "real world code in X languages"
[04:45] <sproingie> might just make it a wiki actually
[04:47] <gemuend> Almindor: Which version? 3.4.2? Compared to what other version?
[04:47] <gemuend> Which kicker bug?
[04:48] <Jatos> what klipper?
[04:48] <gemuend> oh, klipper, i read kicker
[04:48] <Jatos> probably something todo with kde judging from the k
[04:49] <Jatos> theres a sudden silence
[04:49] <Almindor> gemuend, kicker got fixed in 3.4.1 (and I got that version)
[04:50] <Almindor> gemuend, klipper sometimes dissapears or blinks when there's stuff in him
[04:50] <Almindor> gemuend, if you change desktops
[04:50] <sproingie> i'm looking at dreamhost right now
[04:50] <Jatos> yeah I got several sproingie
[04:51] <Jatos> what type of hosting you looking for?
[04:51] <sproingie> cheap :)
[04:51] <gemuend> Almindor: With blinking you mean flashing / disappearing?
[04:51] <Jatos> I think I can get you some cheap shared
[04:51] <sproingie> cheap, reliable, featureful, reputable, as many of those as i can swing at one time :)
[04:51] <Almindor> gemuend, yes
[04:51] <Jatos> how cheap you want?
[04:51] <Almindor> gemuend, the icon I mean
[04:51] <sproingie> $10/month or lower
[04:51] <gemuend> Almindor: That might be a systray error
[04:51] <Almindor> gemuend, tray icon, when I switch desktops ether flashes or dissapears completly
[04:52] <Almindor> gemuend, happens only if klipper is filled with some strings and only to klipper
[04:52] <Almindor> gemuend, so I think it's a klipper bug
[04:52] <gemuend> The tray icons all flash (disappear for a very short time) when changing desktop (3.4.2 here)
[04:52] <Almindor> yes but klipper only makes problems when filled :)
[04:52] <sproingie> dreamhost has been highly recommended on SPAM-L
[04:52] <gemuend> klipper doesnt disappear here
[04:52] <gemuend> its filled at the moment
[04:52] <sproingie> which is a pretty ringing endorsement for me
[04:52] <Jatos> @sproingie, I can easily get you that space/b/w needede?
[04:52] <Almindor> well, every pc is different
[04:53] <hans_> nautilus has gone zombie...how to end it?
[04:53] <sproingie> looking to run a wiki, maybe with ruby on rails
[04:53] <sproingie> thought about images for a while, but i'm pretty happy with imagestation
[04:53] <Jatos> rightI am going to give my firend a phone to see what he can offer for $10/m
[04:55] <Jatos> do you have msn @sproingie?
[04:55] <Almindor> gemuend, any idea how to set locale?
[04:55] <gemuend> Almindor: KControl
[04:56] <nikkia> sproingie: i've always liked just going with a pretty-much-default mediawiki :)
[04:56] <sproingie> Jatos: nope, no plans for it
[04:56] <Almindor> gemuend, I mean locale, KDE language
[04:56] <nikkia> sproingie: it has the advantage that everyone that has ever used a wiki, knows how mediawiki works :)
[04:56] <sproingie> nikkia: mediawiki's in PHP, which i despise.  i have plans to hack heavily on any wiki i create
[04:56] <Almindor> gemuend, not*
[04:56] <gemuend> Almindor: yes
[04:56] <Almindor> gemuend, not kde
[04:56] <Almindor> gemuend, KDE is slovak but my locale is english
[04:57] <sproingie> nikkia: featurewise mediawiki's not bad, but i hate having to work in php
[04:57] <apokryphos> Almindor: dpkg-reconfigure locales?
[04:58] <setite> well better yet.. does ubuntu load .xmodmap?
[04:58] <sproingie> setite: not in my experience
[04:58] <setite> ok
[04:58] <setite> does anyone think this will work http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=46
[04:58] <sproingie> i only use it when i'm in emacs anyway.  maps capslock to ctrl
[04:58] <sproingie> i havent figured out how to back it out
[04:59] <setite> i desperately need my mouse buttons because im so used to using them... and i keep pressing them and getting no reaction
[04:59] <sproingie> takes all kinds of force to press the middle mouse button too
[04:59] <Jatos> right $10 will get you 1gig-20 gig b/w from my friend
[05:00] <Jatos> and thats reseller
[05:00] <setite> kopete does irc?
[05:00] <Jatos> yes setitie
[05:00] <setite> holy shit
[05:00] <setite> what doesnt it do
[05:00] <setite> phone calls?
[05:00] <Jatos> lol, you will need skype for that...
[05:04] <nikkia> kopete could easily be hacked to support making phone calls (although not voip)  with a little kontact and kdebluetooth integration :)
[05:05] <jpatrick> cool
[05:06] <nikkia> and adding in kcall support probably wouldn't be too difficult, either
[05:08] <nikkia> actually, if you were going to do that, the sensible thing to do, would be to present all of your kontact addresses in a sub-group, and allow kcall/call-via-kdebluetooth/whatever-else-someone-adds :)
[05:11] <seaLne> Riddell: is the printer config in system settings different from kcontrol?
[05:11] <Riddell> seaLne: nope
[05:11] <seaLne> hmm i can't see browsable printers
[05:12] <Riddell> could you ever?
[05:12] <seaLne> in 3.4.1 compiled from source on sid i could
[05:12] <Riddell> hoary or breezy?
[05:12] <seaLne> breezy currently
[05:12] <Riddell> printing in breezy is rather broken
[05:12] <seaLne> ah fine then
[05:13] <seaLne> what is the best way to find what is broken in breezy?
[05:13] <Riddell> so even if you could find your printers you couldn't print to them :)
[05:13] <seaLne> bah
[05:13] <Riddell> install it and see what breaks
[05:16] <Jatos> does anyo0ne know if cpanel workson hoary?
[05:18] <Raptoid> fakfaklar..
[05:20] <apokryphos> does alt+f2 -> khotkeys work for anyone?
[05:30] <nikkia> thanks apokryphos
[05:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: your mention of khotkeys led me to 'Keyboard status applet' which thankfully somewhat makes up for the lack of caps lock LED on the keyboard :)
[05:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: as for why it doesn't work: ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[05:31] <apokryphos> =)
[05:32] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah, I get the error too. I get it with kde svn too
[05:32] <apokryphos> I really wanna play with it
[05:32] <nikkia> i thought it was deprecated anyway ?
[05:33] <apokryphos> I don't think so, never heard of that
[05:33] <nikkia> istr trying to get it working about 2 years ago, and being told that khotkeys was gone, and to use menu items with shortcuts as a substitute
[05:34] <apokryphos> Pretty sure it isn't... I hear people echoing its praises in #kde every now and again
[05:34] <apokryphos> Hm, I'll try it out on another comp.
[05:35] <sfougis> hi everybody
[05:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, khotkeys was deprecated 2 years ago....
[05:35] <jpatrick> hi
[05:35] <nikkia> and replaced with khotkeys2 about 3 months later :)
[05:37] <sfougis> kserei kaneis pos na kano to amarok na paiksei mp3
[05:37] <sfougis> ?
[05:37] <jpatrick> ?
[05:37] <sfougis> does anybody know how to play mp3 with amarok?
[05:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: heh. Why was it?
[05:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: from the looks of it, you don't run it manually
[05:38] <nikkia> you just configure it via kcontrol
[05:38] <apokryphos> sfougis: sure. Drag it into the playlist, then double-click or hit play :)
[05:38] <nikkia> i just enabled the khotkey shortcut for konsole, hit ctrl-alt-t and it worked, so its running...
[05:38] <jpatrick> or: sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg
[05:38] <sfougis> no configuration at all?
[05:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: I know there's configs in kcontrol, but I can't get it to work. The daemon isn't running
[05:38] <jpatrick> no
[05:38] <apokryphos> hm
[05:39] <nikkia> HelloHelloHelloHelloHelloHelloHelloHello <- ctrl-alt-h works :P
[05:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: doesn't work here :z
[05:39] <jpatrick> sfougis: have you done: sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg ?
[05:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: its another that's disabled by default anyway
[05:39] <apokryphos> was trying out Konqueror ones yesterday
[05:40] <sfougis> sorry but i am a newbie in linux
[05:40] <sfougis> :)
[05:40] <apokryphos> sfougis: what's the problem?
[05:41] <sfougis> i tried to play an mp3 file with amarok and i hear nothing
[05:41] <jpatrick> you have to do: sudo apt-get install akode-mpeg in the konsole
[05:41] <nvidhive> sweet live CD to the project's peeples, guys
[05:42] <nvidhive> I could actually work from this if I could just figure out how to get krdc to werk
[05:42] <nvidhive> any RTFM pages someone could point me to.. I don't wanna ask dumb questions
[05:43] <sfougis> it requires the installation disk?
[05:43] <jpatrick> I dunno
[05:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: doesn't work on fedora, breezy, and gentoo here. :/ Might fiddle a bit more
[05:43] <sfougis> i don't have it right now. can i get it from the i-net?
[05:44] <jpatrick> yes
[05:44] <sfougis> the packages i mean
[05:44] <sfougis> the packages i mean
[05:44] <jpatrick> it's here: http://www.kubuntu.org/faq.php
[05:44] <sfougis> thanks :)
[05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: it works here *shrug*
[05:44] <jpatrick> Under 'How do I play MP3s
[05:45] <sfougis> i saw it. thank you a lot
[05:46] <Jatos>  does anyone know how to enable SWAT web administration
[05:47] <nvidhive> oh..
[05:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: ktts is fun too :P
[05:48] <nvidhive> so rdesktop is not installed available on the LiveCD.. so only vnc will work in krdc?
[05:50] <jpatrick> it's Krfd
[05:57] <ekimus> anyone happens to know where the settings for the user on the live cd are created/stored?
[06:06] <znh> hello
[06:06] <znh> I just updated my kernel to -k7, but now my nvidia drivers doesn't want to load anymore.
[06:07] <znh> oh wait.. is that because that newest kernel..
[06:08] <znh> no it's not even the newest
[06:08] <znh> HEY GUYS
[06:08] <Jatos> would anyone here have a use for a program similar to remote deskto,but programmed in such a way that the gui is run on the client, so gui commands as appossed to whats on screen get transmitted to the client
[06:10] <Jatos> so for example if a program used GTK GKT would run on your pc and the GTK commands would be sent to the client from the server
[06:11] <Jatos> anyone there?
[06:12] <OculusAquilae> yes
[06:12] <Jatos> and would you use such a prog?
[06:13] <buz> mhh? X11?
[06:14] <Jatos> yeah, its not the xserver
[06:15] <Jatos> it would allow you to "access" the gui on aremote sytem
[06:15] <nikkia> jatos, what you've described is exactly how X works
[06:16] <buz> or to some extent, vnc
[06:16] <buz> tho vnc really sends framebuffers
[06:16] <Jatos> in which I have either described my intentions badly or I don't understand x11
[06:16] <buz> not commands
[06:16] <nikkia> buz, no, vnc uses a tiled framebuffer
[06:16] <buz> not sure what NX exactly does
[06:16] <buz> probably something framebuffer like
[06:16] <nikkia> buz, NX is rather humourous
[06:16] <buz> why
[06:17] <nikkia> buz, it doesn't do anything 'new' at all, its just VNC tunneled over ssh
[06:17] <laser_tk> Has anyone here managed to install or tried to install kbfx?
[06:17] <buz> much faster than vnc
[06:17] <nikkia> buz, it uses ssh's compression, that's why
[06:17] <Jatos> isn't x11 just the thing that handles windows, I didn't think it allowed remote acces to your gui
[06:17] <buz> faster even than tightnvc
[06:17] <nikkia> buz, but it is, literally, just vnc tunneled thru ssh
[06:17] <buz> wtf
[06:17] <nikkia> well, thats not entirely true, it can use rdesktop too
[06:17] <buz> then why bother implementing opensource nx?
[06:18] <Jatos> I think you will find that my "idea" would be faster than vnc or rdc
[06:18] <nikkia> buz, *shrug* look at the code tho, its all it does :)
[06:18] <buz> mhh
[06:18] <buz> weird
[06:18] <buz> nx feels more reponsive even in lans
[06:18] <nikkia> jatos, i think you'd find, it isn't
[06:18] <nikkia> jatos, seriously, IT IS HOW X WORKS
[06:18] <buz> given ample bandwidth, x can be better
[06:18] <buz> yes
[06:18] <Jatos> yeah but doesn't VNC just transmit a screen image from one pc to another
[06:18] <buz> its the whole f***** of x11
[06:19] <buz> vnc yes
[06:19] <buz> x transmits commands
[06:19] <Jatos> so X11, transmitts gui commands from pc to another?
[06:19] <buz> which is part of the reason for it sucking so bad
[06:19] <nikkia> jatos, the flaw is, that stuff like GTK and Qt use pixmaps for everything, so the 'transmit commands' becomes huge bandwidth hogs as the client gets the pixmaps for all the buttons, etc
[06:19] <nikkia> jatos, yes
[06:19] <nikkia> buz, it only sucks because of the reason above
[06:19] <nikkia> if you use Xlib/Xt stuff, it flies
[06:19] <buz> na it sucked before qt
[06:20] <buz> it's a totally over engineered solution in search of a problem
[06:20] <buz> ok, xfree doesnt help
[06:20] <Jatos> so using  can I run the gui on laptop say,, and run the gui apps on my servr?
[06:20] <buz> yes
[06:20] <nikkia> buz, the problem i have, is that most of its opponents want 'framebuffer' type displays
[06:20] <nikkia> buz, and raw FB stuff is hopeless
[06:20] <buz> yes
[06:20] <buz> seems to work for the rest of them guis
[06:20] <nikkia> jatos, yes, i do it all the time using ssh -X from my laptop
[06:21] <nikkia> its faster than vnc at times, slower at others, just depends
[06:21] <Jatos> ah
[06:21] <nikkia> buz, 'rest' being windows?
[06:21] <buz> vnc is more foolproof
[06:21] <buz> or osx
[06:21] <nikkia> buz, OS X doesn't use a framebuffer
[06:21] <buz> or beos
[06:21] <Jatos> is there anyway doing it between windows pcs?
[06:21] <buz> no idea what that uses though
[06:21] <buz> Jatos: rdesktop, vnc
[06:21] <nikkia> buz, beos is hoplessly outdated these days :/
[06:21] <buz> then how does osx work?
[06:21] <buz> eh it was just updated
[06:21] <buz> to zeta 1.0 ;)
[06:22] <nikkia> buz, there are two types of windows in OSX, both get roughly the same treatment...
[06:22] <buz> read about it on ars the other day
[06:22] <Jatos> I didn't know abot SSH -x, so I will ditch the idea
[06:22] <nikkia> buz, 1 is a display PDF window, that is rendered to a GL context...
[06:22] <nikkia> the other is a raw bitmapped GL context
[06:22] <ekimus> where is the casper stuff located on the live cd? i can't figure out where it is....
[06:22] <buz> you sure
[06:22] <nikkia> buz, yes
[06:22] <buz> i thought GL rendering only came in tiger
[06:22] <buz> sure doesnt feel like being accelerated in panther
[06:23] <nikkia> buz, it was added in jaguar, but the basic principle (display PDF where possible) was used from 10.0
[06:23] <nikkia> buz, its accelerated on jaguar, for window transitions
[06:23] <nikkia> buz, IF the hardware supports it, if not it falls back to doing software transitions
[06:24] <buz> gf5200 would surely support it
[06:24] <buz> didnt feel accelerated at all to me
[06:24] <buz> not in any case comparable to tiger anyway
[06:24] <nikkia> but still, there is not *one* framebuffer really in OSX even from 10.0, each window has its own render context that is transparently handled behind the scenes, either by a framebuffer on hw that doesn't support GL, or via GL on 'Quartz Extreme' hw (gl accelerated)
[06:25] <nikkia> apple remote desktop works extremely fast on display PDF windows (which most simple windows are)
[06:25] <buz> i dont call not having a framebuffer in memory not having one really
[06:25] <buz> you essentially cant do anything without one, SOMEWHERE
[06:25] <nikkia> buz, the thing is, OSX *can* do network transparency, because the API doesn't see the framebuffer
[06:25] <buz> well maybe text mode
[06:26] <nikkia> buz, most common windows are rendered using display PDF, and you can do network transparency just by dumping the PDF to the remote host
[06:26] <nikkia> certain actions can even be animated at the PDF level itself
[06:27] <buz> which is part of the reason why it takes that shitload of hardware to do simple stuff
[06:27] <buz> it is elegant
[06:27] <nikkia> for example, if you resize a window, it doesn't need to do anything in terms of client/server communication, the client just rescales the display PDF
[06:27] <buz> but not efficient
[06:28] <buz> and certainly hasnt been fast until tiger came
[06:28] <nikkia> even windows is ditching the 'dumb framebuffer' approach
[06:28] <nikkia> buz, it was fine on my G4 w/jaguar
[06:28] <nikkia> and there is a utility that came with jag that lists which windows are using QE (GL Contexts) and which are using Q
[06:28] <buz> first time i found osx to be acceptable was on 1ghz g4 with panther
[06:29] <Jatos> how do I get xserver stuff to be forwarded to putty?
[06:29] <buz> jaguar on the same hardware was unusable to me
[06:29] <buz> mhh
[06:29] <buz> putty doesnt act as xserver really
[06:29] <nikkia> jatos, you can't
[06:29] <nikkia> jatos, if you're using a windows host, install cygwin + cygwin's X server
[06:29] <nikkia> then use ssh -X 
[06:29] <jjesse> you can redirect x through putty
[06:30] <Jatos> oh, theres a x11 forwarding option putty
[06:30] <jjesse> yup :)
[06:30] <nikkia> jjesse: redirect, yes, but i don't think jatos has an X server running
[06:30] <buz> for win
[06:30] <buz> stick to vnc
[06:30] <buz> its easiest really
[06:31] <Jatos> kk
[06:31] <Jatos> what spec does cygwin need?
[06:31] <nikkia> buz, hmmm, i wonder if you could come up with something like display PDF, but that uses primitives that can be accelerated with vertex shaders
[06:33] <buz> how many people got useable vertex shaders these days?
[06:33] <nikkia> buz, a reasonable number
[06:33] <nikkia> buz, VS have been usable since at least the GF4 generation
[06:34] <buz> but prolly not in embedded graphics
[06:34] <buz> which got 80% market share i'd guesstimate
[06:34] <nikkia> buz, if by 'embedded' you mean 'onboard' i disagree
[06:34] <nikkia> intels chipsets do a fair job at VSers
[06:35] <buz> extreme graphics my ass ;)
[06:35] <nikkia> the nforce is more than capable, i imagine ATI's on-board solutions are more than capable
[06:35] <buz> the nforce is a geforce2, essentially
[06:35] <nikkia> that just leaves those weird stuff like S3 and neochrome, and they're probably nowhere near a majority
[06:35] <buz> ati is pretty decent
[06:36] <buz> save on linux
[06:36] <nikkia> buz, the GF4MX did have VSers
[06:36] <nikkia> it was pixel shaders where it really suffered compared to the real GF4s
[06:36] <buz> but pixel shaders would probably be easier to use for primitives 
[06:36] <nikkia> iirc one of the differences between the GF2 and the GF4MX was that they added more vertex shaders
[06:37] <nikkia> but since VSers haven't really been used much, it was a pointless addition at the time :)
[06:37] <buz> probably was cheap to do so ;)
[06:38] <nikkia> buz, i just can't see 'dumb framebuffer' being a reasonable long term solution if you're saying X is braindead
[06:38] <buz> not a long term solution
[06:38] <buz> Xgl might eventually be that
[06:38] <nikkia> especially when the commercial OSes are moving away from dumb framebuffers, thus you end up looking 10 years out of date, again
[06:38] <buz> fb would have been the mid nineties to now solution
[06:38] <nikkia> buz, the problem is, as you know, that 'short term solutions' often end up becoming 'backwards compatibility that must be maintained'
[06:39] <buz> we all wouldnt have that problem if just everyone would use qt ;)
[06:39] <nikkia> and if you're going to throw away X for something new, you might as well try and do it right the first time
[06:39] <buz> in that case we could stick whatever layer below it
[06:39] <nikkia> buz, i remember a similar argument about gtk :P
[06:39] <nikkia> buz, mostly that imlib could be handled in a better way, thus removing the pixmap bloat that was cursing X :)
[06:40] <nikkia> and its never happened
[06:40] <ekimus> are there actually any devs reachable here (or some other irc channel)
[06:41] <setite> omfg i did it.. my EVDO is working.. and i no longer need windows on this pc...
[06:41] <equex> hm i tried to open a floppy with konqueror and it hangs forever.. dooes it do that if you put in fat32 floppies ?
[06:41] <nikkia> ekimus: the mailing lists are generally a better way for reaching devs, tbh
[06:42] <equex> the process dialog for mounting fd0 is open, and no progress is being made
[06:42] <ekimus> nikkia: i know i just wanted to know wether theres some irc channel (came from gentoo and there it was quite easy to check back on small questions with devs over irc)
[06:43] <haffe> I try to play a file with kaffeine, however it fails with the error message: 'couldn't find demuxer for file'. Any solutions?
[06:46] <apokryphos> Just checked the forum; surprising amount of threads get answers on there. Good to see.
[06:46] <Jatos> are ccampbeds... fun
[06:46] <Jatos> just puped one up
[06:46] <Jatos> *pumped
[06:46] <Almindor> I'm not sure if it's related.. but I think updating with the backports broke my firefox ;(
[06:47] <Jatos> yeah tha figures
[06:47] <Jatos> do apt-get clean and reboot
[06:47] <Almindor> http://members.chello.sk/ales/new_firefox.jpg
[06:47] <Almindor> funky too
[06:47] <Jatos> this fixed a rather bigger apt-get cockup of mine
[06:49] <Jatos> how doI send a regged freenode user a memo?
[06:50] <Almindor> Jatos, apt-get clean didn't seem to do anything
[06:50] <Almindor> Jatos, should it write something?
[06:50] <Almindor> btw, firefox wasn't touch by the last update
[06:53] <Almindor> Jatos, did you see the picture I posted?
[07:13] <Jatos> are there any programs for linux anyone here would like to see written?
[07:13] <Jatos> ??
[07:13] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[07:13] <Jatos> if I  thinkikng of writing some linux software anyt suggestions?
[07:14] <equex> yea
[07:14] <equex> write something that beats directx
[07:14] <equex> :p
[07:14] <equex> text editors and browser are all overdone
[07:14] <PieD> I've got an idea :
[07:14] <_leo> hello people...i was trying to install kicq..but it told me i had a "too new" version of Qt.....i tried to install the latest version of superkaramba...and it told me that i have an old version of qt, or that maybe i dont have it,....where can i get this famous libraries and headers
[07:15] <Jatos> go ahead pied
[07:15] <PieD> a way to be able to use a driver compiled on any version of the 2.6 kernel
[07:15] <PieD> the same driver everywhere
[07:15] <PieD> no re-compilation
[07:15] <Jatos> hmm, I am not sure if my skills are upto that
[07:15] <PieD> but that'd be quite hard :)
[07:16] <equex> make a tool to autoconf ATI drivers to work
[07:16] <equex> fixing the kernel, x and everything
[07:16] <equex> :D
[07:16] <PieD> equex: it'll be easier for him to rewrite ATI drivers from scratch :)
[07:16] <Jatos> I would like to see a windows emjulator that worked, but again I don't think I can do that
[07:17] <equex> PieD: yah
[07:17] <equex> ive been struggling for weeks now
[07:17] <PieD> Jatos: wine...
[07:18] <Jatos> hehe but wine is next to useless
[07:18] <apokryphos> Jatos: a kde client for the Gnutella network
[07:18] <Jatos> gnutella?
[07:18] <Jatos> now that videa interests me
[07:18] <PieD> Jatos: false
[07:18] <apokryphos> it's a P2P network; very popular. Limewire uses it.
[07:19] <apokryphos> It would be a huge project though; no small thing. :)
[07:19] <Jatos> any links? I might just start that project
[07:19] <apokryphos> Linuxquestions.org -- in the forum -- has a lot of "linux application requests"
[07:19] <apokryphos> http://www.gnutella.com/
[07:19] <Jatos> I would like to write something you lot want
[07:20] <apokryphos> Quite a few apps have gnutella network running; no KDE ones. There is a Qt one, though it never worked for me.
[07:20] <Jatos> kk
[07:20] <Jatos> just laoding that website
[07:21] <apokryphos> You'd have to be very experienced to take on such a thing :). If you're a new developer, best way to contribute to KDE is to check out the JJs on bugs.kde.org
[07:21] <apokryphos> lot of good stuff to dive into there
[07:22] <Jatos> lol, I program in basic not C++
[07:22] <apokryphos> :|
[07:22] <Jatos> btw, is gnutella used for  legal or illegal purtposes generally?
[07:22] <apokryphos> illegal, tbh
[07:22] <jpatrick> I program in C++
[07:22] <Jatos> ah, I don't support illegall activitys
[07:23] <apokryphos> Ok, sure. 
[07:31] <Jatos> would anyone have use for a freeware version of cpanel?
[07:32] <Jatos> his surge
[07:32] <[Surge] > I've just installed Kubuntu - damn impressive!
[07:33] <[Surge] > Hi Jatos
[07:34] <Jatos> hehe, only thing I don't like about kubuntu is the way everything is designed for the noob
[07:34] <[Surge] > Just trying to figure out how to add universe or whatever it is so I can install some packages. Unfortunately I didn't have an Internet connection when I installed so the universe and security stuff didn't work.
[07:35] <Jatos> right vget up katge surge
[07:35] <Jatos> *kate
[07:35] <Jatos> and use it to open /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:35] <[Surge] > Ah ok
[07:36] <Jatos> then read tghrough it and uncomment the universe liness
[07:36] <[Surge] > It's a bit different from Redhat RPM based distros
[07:36] <[Surge] > Just got to get used to it - the sudo thing had me a bit off guard at first  :)
[07:37] <Jatos> btw, I asked this earlier but anyone know how to get the internet front end for swat working
[07:37] <Jatos> hehe, I sod it to sudo and I now just login as root
[07:37] <Jatos> required a bit of tweaking to enable root account
[07:39] <pax> no tweaking required. to enable root account simply: sudo passwd root
[07:39] <pax> make a pass for root and that's it.
[07:39] <[Surge] > pax: I figured that out after about 3 hours :P
[07:39] <Jatos> and when you want root login at x?
[07:40] <[Surge] > I thought there was some cryptic root password
[07:40] <pax> why would anyone in their right mind root login at x?
[07:40] <Jatos> don't know, I m not in my right mind!
[07:41] <Jatos> nevertheless I always do my stuff in root
[07:41] <[Surge] > Some people like playing with fire
[07:41] <jpatrick> wow bad idea
[07:41] <seaLne> surely you only need to do a few things as root
[07:42] <Jatos> I still do it
[07:42] <pax> root account is not even required to do admin work, use sudo, if tired of typing the pass with sudo then: sudo -i
[07:42] <Jatos> hmm, I use root privilges frequently
[07:42] <jpatrick> I only need root for apt
[07:42] <seaLne> i use root alot aswell but i don't need it for browsing or email
[07:43] <Jatos> hmm I do a lot of tweaking of my system, some of whic is easier done in root
[07:43] <[Surge] > Jatos: Thanks - Kynaptic is updating nicely now.  So far this beats urpmi by a long shot.
[07:43] <Jatos> so I jsut do everything in root
[07:43] <seaLne> just run them from konsole surely
[07:43] <Jatos> hey, surge get synaptic!
[07:44] <[Surge] > synaptic is console though?
[07:44] <Jatos> its better than kynaptic... alsol its usually used with gnome but works fine in kde
[07:44] <nikkia> [Surge] : no, its a gtk app
[07:44] <[Surge] > Oh ok
[07:44] <Jatos> no, its jsut a more advanced version of kynaptic
[07:44] <nikkia> Jatos: thats not quite true
[07:44] <[Surge] > I don't think GTK installed (default install)
[07:44] <nikkia> kynaptic is a less advanced version of synaptic
[07:46] <Jatos> well I wouldinstall GTK your gonna need it at some ppint
[07:46] <[Surge] > Yes ...  GIMP
[07:48] <[Surge] > It's a pity that the base install doesn't come with some more common apps like GIMP and Firefox
[07:48] <[Surge] > Konqueror just doesn't cut it when it comes to web browsing  :)
[07:48] <Jatos> I know
[07:48] <Jatos> konqueror sucks for generl browsing
[07:48] <jpatrick> I use it
[07:49] <[Surge] > It's fine for file management
[07:49] <jpatrick> oh cool
[07:50] <jpatrick> finished compiling a new kernel :)
[07:50] <[Surge] > I'm going to need to do that too in a short while
[07:50] <jpatrick> Took me 7 hours
[07:51] <[Surge] > I have to enable joystick support for ALSA in the kernel.
[07:51] <pax> nikkia: you probably gonna like this setup, I got tired of baghira http://ninux.net/files/kubuntu.png :c)
[07:52] <[Surge] > With regards to the nVidia drivers - is there a package for that or should I just use the nVidia installer?
[07:54] <pax> [Surge] : sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[07:54] <pax> sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[07:57] <[Surge] > Yeah but does that get me the latest driver?
[07:57] <[Surge] > nVidia 7676 ?
[07:57] <pax> the latest is not always the greatest :-)
[07:58] <[Surge] > Well the ones between 6629 and 7117 we're buggy
[07:58] <nikkia> the only thing 7676 offers over 7667, anyway, is a clock fix for 7800GT cards
[07:58] <nikkia> [Surge] : which video card do you have?
[07:59] <[Surge] > GF4 Ti4200
[07:59] <[Surge] > Old card but buggy drivers don't help  :)
[08:02] <pax> the packaged ver is 7174 I think
[08:02] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... I get a lot of "couldn't stat source package list" errors
[08:02] <[Surge] > Is that normal?
[08:03] <jpatrick> tried sudo apt-get update ?
[08:03] <pax> sudo apt-get update
[08:03] <jpatrick> :p
[08:04] <[Surge] > What does that do?
[08:04] <pax> updates your /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:04] <jpatrick> downloads a list of packages
[08:04] <[Surge] > Thanks  - errors gone now
[08:05] <[Surge] > Just can't fine nvidia-glx-config
[08:05] <[Surge] > *find*
[08:05] <jpatrick> enabled backports, universe etc ?
[08:05] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... let me check
[08:05] <pax> you don't 'find' that just run the command sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[08:06] <pax> nothing happens after you run it, you're not supposed to see anything 
[08:07] <[Surge] > sudo: nvidia-glx-config: command not found
[08:08] <pax> you installed the driver?
[08:08] <pax> sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[08:08] <teprrr> hmm, mmh
[08:08] <[Surge] > Oh ...  ooops  :)
[08:08] <teprrr> anyone knows in which package x font "fixed" is?
[08:09] <[Surge] > brb - restarting X
[08:09] <pax> gsfonts-x11 if I'm not mistaken
[08:09] <pax> !info gsfonts-x11
[08:09] <ubotu> gsfonts-x11: (Make Ghostscript fonts available to X11), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.17 (hoary), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 124 kB
[08:11] <[Surge] > Awesome!
[08:13] <teprrr> pax, nope, those are ghostscript fonts
[08:13] <teprrr> my x server doesn't start at all because fixed font is missing
[08:13] <luminerd> Hey, I got the Ubuntu package of Firefox, but only Konqueror gets me to the web pages I need to get to...
[08:13] <luminerd> anyone have ideas?
[08:14] <luminerd> It will keep trying to connect for ages, and then say it couldn't.
[08:14] <pax> !info xbase-fonts
[08:14] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... I'm installing firefox at the moment luminerd - hope I don't have the same problem :)
[08:15] <pax> teprrr: are you talking by breezy by any chance?
[08:16] <teprrr> pax, yeah
[08:16] <teprrr> font paths have changed or something?
[08:16] <luminerd> [Surge] , :( well I'm glad your problem is nonexistant heh :P
[08:16] <pax> bug #12872
[08:18] <pax> teprrr: I think there's a fix here http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=275384&postcount=9
[08:18] <teprrr> pax, hmm.. let's see
[08:19] <arcanistherogue> hey guys, im having a problem with sudo.
[08:19] <[Surge] > arcanistherogue: Details?
[08:19] <arcanistherogue> I changed my comptuers host name, by editing a file (i think it was like /etc/hostname), and now whenever I use sudo i get the message "sudo: unable to lookup kubuntu via gethostbyname()"
[08:20] <arcanistherogue> Because I had it as "PC" before, and that would make all the windows real small when they were minimized.
[08:20] <arcanistherogue> like the minimized tabs.
[08:22] <luminerd> Is there another full-featured web browser?  I do not like Konqueror at all and Firefox obviously isn't working :/
[08:22] <arcanistherogue> why is it not working?>
[08:22] <[Surge] > arcanistherogue: Your need to update your /etc/hosts file as well
[08:22] <arcanistherogue> i use it on KDE
[08:22] <arcanistherogue> oh, ok
[08:22] <arcanistherogue> what should i update in them?
[08:22] <[Surge] > The same name you gave it in hostname
[08:23] <[Surge] > Well that's all I can think of
[08:23] <arcanistherogue> thanks
[08:23] <arcanistherogue> that fixed the problem (b'_')b
[08:23] <[Surge] > Yup :)
[08:23] <[Surge] > It couldn't resolve your new hostname to an IP
[08:25] <arcanistherogue> indeed.
[08:25] <teprrr> pax, doesn't seem to help :P
[08:26] <arcanistherogue> luminerd: If you want to get themes and whatnot on firefox, just install the new version.  at the end of the new installation it opens a new window, 1.0.6.  install everything you think you want, then when you restart all the firefox installations on your system will have them.  I dont know how to get the browser to be 1.0.2 from the systems or the KMenu.
[08:26] <pax> teprrr: what can I tell you, that's what you get for using breezy, it's just not ready :D
[08:26] <arcanistherogue> err, how to get it to be 1.0.6 from the kmenu
[08:27] <[Surge] > Uh IIRC ... I heard it was backported to 1.0.2
[08:27] <arcanistherogue> backported?
[08:27] <[Surge] > i.e. Although it says 1.0.2 it's essentially 1.0.6
[08:27] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[08:27] <arcanistherogue> oh yeah
[08:27] <arcanistherogue> there was a guide
[08:27] <arcanistherogue> on how to get it to be 1.0.6
[08:28] <[Surge] > Yes they take all the patches and apply them to 1.0.2
[08:28] <teprrr> pax, ye ;)
[08:28] <[Surge] > I'll get to that point in a few minutes
[08:28] <[Surge] > Dialup is fun ...
[08:29] <arcanistherogue> say, how do i install a .jar file?
[08:29] <kinus> you dont arcanistherogue
[08:29] <arcanistherogue> ?
[08:29] <kinus> just execute it
[08:29] <arcanistherogue> ./file.jar?
[08:29] <kinus> though it depends on the main class
[08:29] <arcanistherogue> shoudl i use chmod a+x first?
[08:30] <kinus> a jar file is an archive of compiled java classes
[08:30] <arcanistherogue> nah, that doesntwork, says i dont have permissions when im my main user or root.
[08:30] <arcanistherogue> i installed the J2re
[08:30] <arcanistherogue> i downloaded it and ran the .rpm.bin file
[08:30] <arcanistherogue> but it should work now, shouldnt it?
[08:31] <kinus> for what?
[08:31] <kinus> well you cant just ./ a jar file
[08:31] <arcanistherogue> its for a game, wyvern
[08:31] <arcanistherogue> i used to play it on windows
[08:32] <kinus> ya i know the game
[08:32] <arcanistherogue> well i used alien and made the .rpm into a .deb
[08:32] <kinus> ok
[08:32] <arcanistherogue> well if ound out 
[08:32] <kinus> and?
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> i didnt fully run the install
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> it was just a self extracting .rpm file
[08:33] <kinus> rpms usually install themselves so you should just be able to execute the binary
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> ohn@kubuntu:~/Desktop/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i jre_1.5.0_04-1_i386.deb
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> ohn@kubuntu:~/Desktop/Downloads$ sudo dpkg -i jre_1.5.0_04-1_i386.deb
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> oh shoot
[08:33] <arcanistherogue> sorry
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> didnt see that it pasted and entered it.
[08:34] <kinus> lol np
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> eh
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> anyway
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> when i run the .deb file
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> i get
[08:34] <arcanistherogue> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[08:36] <jpatrick> are you downloading something via apt?
[08:36] <arcanistherogue> no
[08:36] <arcanistherogue> lemme see
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> nope
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> only one terminal open
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> and kynaptic/synaptic isnt open 
[08:37] <jpatrick> you doing something as root?
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> yeah, this installatin
[08:37] <arcanistherogue> *installation
[08:38] <jpatrick> O.o
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> <_<
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> is that bad >_>
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> ....O_o?
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> well anyway
[08:38] <arcanistherogue> im gonnaget some lunch, im tired.
[08:39] <arcanistherogue> i just woke up like an hour ago -_-
[08:46] <Jatos> hi all
[08:46] <jjesse> hello Jatos
[08:46] <kinus> lo
[08:46] <Jatos> any developres here?
[08:47] <kinus> what type of developer you looking for?
[08:47] <Jatos> any who develops software
[08:47] <dean> for what?
[08:47] <Jatos> well I know theres at least one dev person here
[08:48] <Jatos> develops any software
[08:48] <jjesse> i use eclipse for some stuff that i work on
[08:48] <jjesse> including editing ubuntu docs
[08:49] <Jatos> ah
[08:49] <Jatos> hmm, I develop in vario
[08:49] <Jatos> us lanquages
[08:49] <Jatos> apart from c and c++
[08:49] <Jatos> i write basic, php mainly
[08:50] <setite> i write questions
[08:50] <jjesse> mono develop is nice if you want to learn mono of course
[08:50] <buz> these days i only develop php and some assiocated stuff 
[08:50] <Jatos> a
[08:50] <Jatos> h
[08:52] <Jatos> any found a problem with gtk where when you sometimes have to hold down the mose to use menus
[08:53] <Jatos> I had this problem with gtk n botgh linux and windows
[08:53] <setite> :)
[08:55] <setite> evolution is ugly
[08:55] <setite> hey is konqueror built on mozilla?
[08:55] <Blissex> setite: you believe in the bible? :-)
[08:56] <setite> everyone's a joker today
[08:56] <Blissex> setite: no, Konqueror is a completely different implementation.
[08:56] <setite> oh is it... hmmm it seemed similar
[08:56] <setite> is there an email companion
[08:56] <setite> because i dont wanna see evolution agian
[08:57] <setite> and how would i go abotu customizing windows in kde
[08:57] <Jatos> konqueror might render a page properly if it was based on mozillla
[08:57] <setite> the bar and icons look fine.. but windows themselves look ghetto
[08:58] <setite> can i somehow transfer my thunderbird info from windows
[08:58] <setite> perhaps copy and paste some files?
[08:59] <Blissex> setite: KMail is the companion, it has several cool features, and KNode is the news reader. They are all part of the KOrganizer suite, which is KDE's alternative to Evolution etc.
[08:59] <Blissex> setite: in KDE to customize stuff you can load themes or tweks the settings in the 'Desktop&Appearances' dialog
[09:00] <Blissex> setite: Ubuntu and Debian come with quite a few prepackaged KDE themes.
[09:00] <setite> ok ill see if i cna find them
[09:00] <Blissex> setite: also, Thunderbird uses both on MS Windows and GNU/Linux, 'mbox' format files, which are also used by KMail etc, so it is easy to transfer them.
[09:01] <Blissex> setite: it is not necessary, but it would be best to have MS Windows files have line endings converted with 'dos2unix' or similar.
[09:03] <setite> looks like kmail is nto a defualt app
[09:03] <setite> nvm
[09:03] <setite> i should have it somewhere
[09:04] <setite> where is kmail
[09:04] <setite> i dont see it
[09:05] <thoreauputic> kontact
[09:05] <setite> k
[09:07] <setite> damn
[09:07] <setite> its having issues
[09:08] <setite> i keep getting an error.. Cannot add message to folder chrome-en-US-mail in KMail
[09:11] <Blissex> setite: thats sounds unlikely...
[09:12] <setite> well i presume i used the wrong folder... so now im searching in the user files for the folder
[09:12] <Blissex> setite: depends on how you created the folder. And perhaps whether you converted it with 'dos2unix' if it is from MS Windows.
[09:12] <setite> found the folder.. im good now
[09:13] <setite> i tried the program folder at first
[09:15] <setite> thats a poor transfer though.. but what can i expect
[09:17] <setite> haha i hsouldnt have done that
[09:29] <seaLne> any idea if there are any problems with the ubuntu bittorrent trackers?
[09:40] <Riddell> seaLne: are you seeing problems?
[09:41] <seaLne> yeah "Problem connecting to tracker - (111, 'Connection refused')"
[09:41] <seaLne> not sure how long thats been
[09:42] <hans_> how do i mount a .nrg imange?
[09:43] <seaLne> sudo mount -o loop -t iso9660 /path/to/file.nrg /mnt
[09:43] <seaLne> assuming .nrg are still pretty much ISO images
[09:44] <Riddell> seaLne: what are you downloading?
[09:44] <hans_> ok ill try thx seaLne
[09:44] <seaLne> just still the hoary isos
[09:45] <seaLne> Riddell: i doubt its my end as debian ones are still fine
[09:47] <ilba7r> running ubuntu its quite often that my pc usage goes crazy 100% for long time which leads to my pc shutting down. This normally occur when i run update-menus is there a remedy for that. Could it be caused by memory leak? and can it be solved by scaling down my cpu speed?
[09:56] <kimo> my X is started with -nolisten tcp, how do I stop that ?
[09:58] <seaLne> edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc
[10:00] <[Surge] > Is there a J2RE package for kubuntu? I don't see one. Must I install from source?
[10:00] <Vjaz> This is not really on topic, but I thought someone here might know: Is there a version of Firefox in Ubuntu that doesn't require Gnome libraries?
[10:01] <[Surge] > I don't know Vjaz - I installed the gnome libs and it works
[10:01] <kimo> [Surge] : I have already commented out the first line! Is there some other setting
[10:01] <[Surge] > kimo: I'm not sure what you're talking about  :)
[10:03] <Vjaz> [Surge] : Yeah, it works. I just wouldn't want to install them just to have Firefox. They also generate all sorts of crud like a gconf-directory and gnome settings directories
[10:06] <[Surge] > Yeah well I'm not too phased - it not ideal but it works
[10:09] <Vjaz> [Surge] : I'm pretty sure there was a package of J2RE somewhere. Check in http://www.ubuntuguide.org/
[10:10] <[Surge] > I'm already reading it 
[10:10] <[Surge] > I just need to find what source it comes from
[10:11] <[Surge] > sudo apt-get install sun-j2re1.5
[10:11] <[Surge] > But they don't list what repository it's in.
[10:12] <Vjaz> Ah yeah, that's annoying.
[10:12] <Vjaz> I think it's the ubuntu-backports one
[10:14] <[Surge] > Yes it is - just got it
[10:14] <[Surge] > A bit tricky for a newcomer like me :)
[10:15] <[Surge] > Not used to the tools and not having the backports configured is a pain
[10:15] <luminerd> what shall it be then - Mozilla or Firefox?  or are they the same essentially?  One just more bloated, or does Firefox have advantages?
[10:16] <[Surge] > I dunno luminerd - I just don't like all the extra stuff I don't need in Mozilla
[10:16] <[Surge] > But really Firefox and Java should be easy to install for new comers
[10:18] <Vjaz> Well Firefox is easy to install if you ignore the Gnome libraries, and they can safely do that.
[10:18] <Vjaz> Unless they don't include it on the Kubuntu CD-ROM. I'm not sure about that.
[10:18] <luminerd> I'm not worried about installation...
[10:18] <luminerd> Just, which is faster operating
[10:19] <Vjaz> luminerd: Mozilla Seamonkey is discontinued, so Firefox is probably a safer bet.
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: erm - not discontinued afaik: in fact recently updated 
[10:20] <thoreauputic> Vjaz: mozilla-suite is the new name on Ubuntu at least
[10:21] <Vjaz> thoreauputic: Ok, perhaps not yet, but I remember reading that the Mozilla Foundation is dumping it and it will become a smaller community project called the Seamonkey Suite.
[10:25] <luminerd> Okay, major problem...Firefox, Mozilla, and Mozilla-suite are all EXTREMELY slow.  Konqueror is fast, so I know it's not my connection.  What could possibly cause this?!
[10:26] <Vjaz> How much RAM do you have?
[10:26] <luminerd> Vjaz, me?
[10:26] <Vjaz> yes
[10:27] <luminerd> Vjaz, 256
[10:27] <luminerd> I have no problems with Firefox on my laptop with that though
[10:27] <luminerd> Just this comp
[10:27] <Vjaz> I think it's that. KDE requires a lot of memory, and Firefox adds Gnome libraries on top of that.
[10:27] <Vjaz> luminerd: KDE on the laptop too?
[10:28] <thoreauputic> luminerd: try opening about:config  and setting network.dns.disbleIPv6  to "true" (this helps some people)
[10:28] <luminerd> Vjaz, no, actually E17
[10:28] <luminerd> Okay
[10:28] <thoreauputic> * network.dns.disableIPv6   (sorry, typo )
[10:29] <luminerd> oh wow
[10:29] <luminerd> that did it
[10:29] <luminerd> thanks
[10:29] <thoreauputic> :)
[10:30] <luminerd> :D
[10:32] <luminerd> thoreauputic, can more be done with this about:config to speed things up?
[10:33] <luminerd> I seem to remember setting some thread limit or something higher on a different comp a while back
[10:33] <thoreauputic> luminerd: yes, there are a few things on the web about tweaking about:config
[10:34] <jpatrick> they're on ubuntuguide.org
[10:35] <thoreauputic> http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=mozilla+about%3Aconfig+tweaks&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[10:35] <thoreauputic> excuse the ugly google URL :)
[10:43] <DarkMaul> hello
[10:43] <DarkMaul> i have to questions, 1 how do i install my Nvidia card. 2 how can i auto mount my 2e drive so i can use it
[10:45] <thoreauputic> !nvidia
[10:45] <ubotu> nvidia is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[10:45] <DarkMaul> aah
[10:46] <DarkMaul> that would be easy
[10:51] <DarkMaul> okay, that was easy
[10:51] <_foodcoman> Anyone been having trouble with XMMS and shoutcast lately?
[10:51] <DarkMaul> how do i mount my second drive
[10:51] <DarkMaul> so i can use the data 
[10:51] <_foodcoman> now I get a 404 message or XMMS hangs.... Strange and new.
[10:52] <_foodcoman> I had apt reinstall the thing..... No go.
[10:52] <PieD> Does somebody here know a tool to "benchmark" a windows manager ?
[10:53] <PieD> A simple tool saying me things like : "the test window took x seconds to appear using your WM"
[10:54] <DarkMaul> could someone help me
[10:54] <Firetech> will Qt 4 get into the apt repositories before breezy is released? (after?)
[10:55] <seaLne> could be a while as kde won't be usable state with qt4 for over a year probably
[10:56] <Firetech> can't you install Qt 4 alongside Qt 3?
[10:56] <seaLne> you could
[10:56] <PieD> Firetech: you can without any problem
[10:56] <DarkMaul> i see my second harddrive in my system. i just cant do nothing with it
[10:58] <Firetech> then there should be no problem making debs for Qt 4 (Well, there are some done...) and put them in breezy's universe or something?
[10:59] <PieD> Firetech: no, no problem at all
[10:59] <Firetech> PieD: Is there any chance of that happening?
[10:59] <DarkMaul> isnt there anybody that would be able to help me for a few seconds
[11:00] <PieD> Firetech: I don't know
[11:00] <PieD> DarkMaul: what means "see" for you ?
[11:00] <Firetech> DarkMaul: is it mounted?
[11:00] <DarkMaul> well , when i click on storage media
[11:00] <DarkMaul> i see the drive
[11:00] <Firetech> is there a green arrow in the corner of it?
[11:00] <Firetech> *of the icon for it
[11:00] <DarkMaul> but when i click on it then it gives me a error about fstab ore mstab
[11:01] <DarkMaul> no 
[11:01] <DarkMaul> no arrow
[11:01] <DarkMaul> on my first drive there is 
[11:01] <Firetech> then it isn't mounted.
[11:01] <DarkMaul> okeej
[11:01] <DarkMaul> how will i mount it
[11:01] <Firetech> is it similar to the first drive?
[11:01] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:01] <DarkMaul> identical
[11:02] <DarkMaul> both 160 gigs
[11:02] <DarkMaul> sata
[11:02] <Firetech> you know how to open a terminal?
[11:02] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:02] <Firetech> same type of partition too?
[11:02] <DarkMaul> what you mean with same partition
[11:02] <Firetech> ignore that
[11:02] <DarkMaul> i will
[11:03] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:03] <DarkMaul> okeej
[11:03] <DarkMaul> opened a console
[11:04] <Firetech> First, check in "storage media" what device the second drive is (click on it and it should say /dev/[something]  in the error box.) then go into a terminal and type "sudo mount /dev/[something]  /mnt"
[11:05] <DarkMaul> sdb1
[11:05] <Firetech> if it gives an error about /mnt not existing , create that directory using "sudo mkdir /mnt"
[11:05] <DarkMaul> no it worked
[11:05] <Firetech> ok
[11:06] <Firetech> this is only temporary though.
[11:06] <DarkMaul> it did not give a error
[11:06] <DarkMaul> ow
[11:06] <Firetech> it won't get mounted  on the next boot
[11:06] <DarkMaul> how can i get this done automaticly
[11:06] <Firetech> edit /etc/fstab as root
[11:06] <[Surge] > And mtab as well I think
[11:06] <DarkMaul> oww
[11:06] <DarkMaul> hmm
[11:07] <[Surge] > man fstab
[11:07] <PieD> see you later
[11:07] <DarkMaul> Password:
[11:07] <DarkMaul> su: Authentication failure
[11:07] <DarkMaul> Sorry.
[11:07] <Firetech> [Surge] : NO, mtab is automatically generated.
[11:07] <DarkMaul> ?
[11:07] <Firetech> DarkMaul: use sudo
[11:07] <Firetech> "sudo su -"
[11:07] <[Surge] > Oh ok Firetech 
[11:07] <DarkMaul> lol
[11:07] <DarkMaul> sorry
[11:07] <[Surge] > Or use the one's already in fstab as a guideline
[11:07] <DarkMaul> fedora user
[11:07] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:08] <DarkMaul> root@linux:/home/darkje # edit /etc/fstab
[11:08] <DarkMaul> Warning: unknown mime-type for "/etc/fstab" -- using "application/*"
[11:08] <DarkMaul> strange errors
[11:08] <[Surge] > vi /etc/fstab   :)
[11:09] <Firetech> DarkMaul: copy the line starting with /dev/sda1, and change "/dev/sda1[large space] /" to "/dev/sdb1[large space] /mnt"
[11:09] <Firetech> nano is a goot choice of editor
[11:09] <Firetech> nano /etc/fstab
[11:09] <hater2win> yo
[11:10] <Firetech> go to the /dev/sda1 line, press ctrl+K, then ctrl+U twice and you have two copies of that line :)
[11:11] <DarkMaul> just a sec
[11:11] <DarkMaul> /dev/sda1       /               ext3    defaults,errors=remount-ro 0       1
[11:11] <DarkMaul> that one
[11:12] <Firetech> yup
[11:12] <Firetech> change /dev/sda1 to /dev/sdb1 and / to /mnt
[11:12] <hater2win> Mac OSx86 Tiger got leaked for Intel processors
[11:13] <Firetech> hater2win: will that work on a normal i386?
[11:14] <DarkMaul> it is not letting me edit the file
[11:14] <Firetech> DarkMaul: are you root?
[11:14] <Jatos> hi
[11:14] <hater2win> Firetech: yes
[11:15] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:15] <thor|shop> DarkMaul: sudo (your preferred editor)
[11:15] <hater2win> Firetech: you can run it natively or on vmware both
[11:15] <Firetech> hater2win: cool :D
[11:15] <Firetech> DarkMaul: ctrl+o > Enter
[11:16] <Firetech> doesn't that work?
[11:17] <thor|shop> !lart ilovewindows 
[11:17] <ilovewindows> lol, I don't really love windows, just seeeing people reactions...
[11:18] <Firetech> I don't hate windows, but it breaking while I was installing ubuntu prooved a point :P
[11:18] <hater2win> i love linux... but i HATE baseball cards...
[11:18] <ilovekde> i bet
[11:18] <dean> Q: would you used in linux if you'd know that tiger could run on a pc?
[11:19] <hater2win> dean: it can now
[11:19] <thor|shop> :)
[11:19] <hater2win> dean: have it on a partition
[11:19] <hater2win> dean: runs fine =)
[11:19] <DarkMaul> how do i exit nano
[11:19] <DarkMaul> ?
[11:19] <thor|shop> DarkMaul: ctrl-X
[11:19] <ilovekde> tigeros can run on a pc? how much does tiger cost then
[11:19] <hater2win> ilovekde: its a leak right no
[11:19] <dean> if it could run..
[11:19] <ilovekde> oh
[11:20] <hater2win> dean: it does run
[11:20] <DarkMaul> lol
[11:20] <DarkMaul> juh found it
[11:20] <jatos> let use my real nick...
[11:20] <DarkMaul> okay
[11:20] <DarkMaul> but now the drive is still useless
[11:20] <DarkMaul> i cant write anything on it
[11:20] <DarkMaul> i can remember something with cown
[11:21] <DarkMaul> chown
[11:21] <jatos> I am not surprised tiger runs on pc, now mac have gone over to the dark side the new macs are prolly basically pc's
[11:21] <Firetech> DarkMaul: what does /etc/mtab say about /dev/sdb1? (cat /etc/mtab | grep sdb1)
[11:21] <jatos> the dark side refeering to intel in this cae
[11:22] <pussfeller> which package is kde headers
[11:22] <caller> does Wine automatically add something into KDE to access that program?
[11:22] <caller> a shortcut or anything?
[11:22] <DarkMaul> /dev/sdb1 /mnt ext2 rw 0 0
[11:23] <Firetech> DarkMaul: Might be that only root can write it
[11:23] <caller> wine PokerStarsInstall.exe  will work fine, right?
[11:23] <DarkMaul> Firetech
[11:23] <jatos> I am amazed any6thing work with wine
[11:23] <DarkMaul> but thats not really handy
[11:23] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:24] <caller> jatos, y ea but this one programs known to work fine with Wine...
[11:24] <caller> cause there's no texas hold em game for linux! :(
[11:25] <Firetech> DarkMaul: what does "ls -l /mnt" say about owner and such if you know what I mean (DON'T paste everything here)?
[11:26] <DarkMaul> root
[11:26] <DarkMaul> user and group
[11:26] <Firetech> DarkMaul: that's strange
[11:26] <Firetech> it is a linux partition
[11:27] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:27] <Firetech> DarkMaul: you should go into /etc/fstab again and change ext3 to ext2 for the sdb1 line.
[11:27] <_StarScream> hey all
[11:29] <DarkMaul> doen
[11:29] <DarkMaul> done
[11:29] <DarkMaul> ill be rebooting
[11:29] <Firetech> DarkMaul: when you used that drive earlier, do you know where it was mounted?
[11:30] <DarkMaul> it was a LVM 
[11:30] <DarkMaul> 2 drives 
[11:30] <DarkMaul> combined
[11:30] <Firetech> oh
[11:30] <DarkMaul> fedora does that with it
[11:30] <Firetech> but you've changed the partitions now then?
[11:31] <Firetech> well, else you shouldn't be able to mount it like that...
[11:31] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:31] <DarkMaul> arrgg
[11:31] <DarkMaul> why dosnt Kubuntu dont have the magical tool MC
[11:32] <Firetech> fixing it to be LVM would be quite good, yes
[11:33] <DarkMaul> wel
[11:33] <DarkMaul> well
[11:33] <DarkMaul> i would like a LVM 
[11:33] <Firetech> the ubuntu installation has support for making LVMs
[11:33] <DarkMaul> yes but i dont know how to
[11:34] <Firetech> *(k)ubuntu
[11:34] <caller> Problem...I am running an installer file in Wine, I keep getting this: http://pastebin.com/335553
[11:34] <DarkMaul> i dont know what partitions i need to be made
[11:34] <DarkMaul> but
[11:34] <DarkMaul> Midnight COmmander
[11:34] <DarkMaul> do you know it
[11:34] <Firetech> DarkMaul: run mc in terminal
[11:34] <Firetech> it should be installed by default
[11:34] <DarkMaul> it is not
[11:34] <Firetech> sudo apt-get install mc
[11:35] <DarkMaul> E: Couldn't find package mc
[11:35] <DarkMaul>  ??????????
[11:35] <Firetech> damn.
[11:35] <Firetech> !universe
[11:35] <ubotu> ask me about !repositories
[11:36] <Firetech> !repositories
[11:36] <ubotu> [repositories]  at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:36] <Firetech> DarkMaul: read that link
[11:37] <Firetech> you might want to install synaptic first, though
[11:38] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:38] <DarkMaul> i have 
[11:38] <DarkMaul> Kynaptic
[11:39] <Firetech> well kynaptic isn't that good...
[11:39] <Firetech> let's fix this the manual way then
[11:39] <DarkMaul> i know this has got to do something with chown
[11:40] <Firetech> DarkMaul: run "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list"
[11:40] <Firetech> there is a line beginning with "#deb" a bit down (ending in "universe")
[11:41] <DarkMaul> yes
[11:41] <Firetech> remove the #  before the line(s) and save the file
[11:41] <Firetech> then run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install mc"
[11:43] <DarkMaul> nice
[11:46] <DarkMaul> well 
[11:46] <DarkMaul> that would be enough for one day
[11:46] <Firetech> It's never enough. :P
[11:47] <DarkMaul> well i have a woman waiting upstairs
[11:47] <DarkMaul> dont know what you rather do ?
[11:48] <Firetech> I have no woman...
[11:51] <DarkMaul> aah
[11:51] <DarkMaul> okay
[11:51] <DarkMaul> well she told me 2 times to come
[11:51] <DarkMaul> and keep this as a reminder
[11:51] <buz> what are you waiting for
[11:51] <DarkMaul> dont ever make that 3 times
[11:51] <DarkMaul> :p
[11:51] <buz> waiting for the viagra to kick in?
[11:51] <DarkMaul> juh
[11:52] <DarkMaul> well see ya tomorrow guys and galls...
[11:52] <DarkMaul> thanks for the help Firetech
[11:52] <nikkia> heh, OSX running on generic PCs, thanks to ubuntu
[11:53] <beford> nikkia ??
[11:53] <Firetech> DarkMaul: np.
[11:53] <nikkia> beford, the process that's been discovered to get MacOS X to run on any generic PC, involves bootstrapping with an ubuntu livecd
[11:54] <beford> cool, didnt know about that