[12:02] tseng: stopped working after I upgraded dbus, worked again after rebuild. [12:02] is beagle in main? apt is acting up here, so I can't check [12:02] its not (yet) [12:02] right [12:03] that patch is fine with me, obvious [12:03] ok [12:04] we need working inotify [12:04] yeah looks okay [12:04] if we dont get 0.13 [12:04] is it not working in the latest breezy 2.6.12? [12:04] +ly [12:04] no [12:04] cvs works [12:04] inotify went from device -> syscall [12:04] ah [12:05] but its finally in mainline [12:05] I've got f-spot fixed in svn, need to test, upload to sid & sync for breezy [12:05] fixed how [12:05] i didnt catch that one [12:05] libexif, new maintainer, etc [12:06] it's on the unmet deps list at the moment [12:06] has RC bug in debian dur to libexif === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:24] hey ogra [12:26] which way is better to create meta-packages? cdd-dev? === tseng_ [n=brandon@smarterits.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:28] i never worked with that.... ubuntu uses a tool called germinate... but thats overkill if you only want one metapackage... i'd just create a empty package with dependency informations... [12:29] hi ogra [12:29] ogra, cool ;) [12:29] rbelem: I would do what ogra would do :-) [12:29] :D === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:31] Nafallo, nice... if i have some question, i'll ask to you [12:32] rbelem: oki. if you go without answer for about 5 minutes, I've fallen asleep :-). [12:32] hihihihihihi [12:32] :) === popey [n=popey@dsl-80-46-101-238.access.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@tseng2.ath.cx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] Burgundavia: well done on getting inkspace 0.42 in :) [01:03] alright, [01:03] at was reading some book, [01:22] yippi! debian has not the same size on there kismet_2005.06.R1.orig.tar.gz as we do [01:23] that makes for exciting merges [01:24] I'm keen to package up 2005.07.R1a just for the sake of it. [01:25] and then try & justify breaking UVF for universe :) [01:25] if there are problems with the current version, then it's possible [01:25] ajmitch: should fix a segfault... ;-) [01:25] ok, I'd probably approve that [01:27] anyway, I bump what we got soon for the move-out of libdps1. I'll try to sync up depends and stuff with debian while I'm at it :-). === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:29] Nafallo: great === TMM [n=hp@c51471f2c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] yes! ethereal-dev bails out cause it can't find python2.3 ;-) [01:50] some of the buildds are on crack still, I think [01:51] that was on my pbuilder though [01:51] right.. [01:51] I see that the last buildd run for it was successful [01:51] Nafallo: so add the dep in.. [01:52] :) [01:52] should be better to make ethereal honour python2.4 :- [01:52] :-) [01:53] certainly [01:54] almost done downloading the source ;-) === SloMo [n=slomo@p5487C677.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] ajmitch: why would ethereal-dev need to dep on cdbs, debhelper, automake1.7, autoconf? [01:59] ... and other. [01:59] others even === lsuactiafner [n=noirrac@tpc-ip-nas-1-p224.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] Nafallo: dep, not build-dep? [02:58] ajmitch: yes, dep :-) [02:59] right, that is crackful [02:59] ajmitch: there are build-deps to. but ethereal-dev deps on them. [03:00] I think you'll find that the debian maintainer needs a beating [03:01] I guess he means it for those poor people who'd want to write ethereal plugins [03:01] which still doesn't mean it makes sense :) [03:02] :-) === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch is currently throwing all the unmet deps at his pbuilder [03:03] which will take quite awhile [03:05] ajmitch: yay! :-) [03:06] I should really setup sbuild instead [03:06] & I've started on the zope changes review [03:06] http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/zope/REVIEW [03:07] lots of packages for me to look over & feed to the pkg-zope debian team :) [03:07] :-) [03:14] hmm, looks like I really need more diskspace to do this [03:15] prune the porn ;-) === ajmitch has none :) [03:17] apt-get autoclean cleared up a bit of junk [03:19] Burgundavia: awake? [03:20] yo whiprush [03:20] hi aj [03:20] what's up? [03:20] you see that Ubuntu Bus thing I just blogged about? [03:20] it's awesome. === ajmitch looks [03:21] hah, cool [03:22] how are things here in motu-land? [03:22] rocking as always [03:23] pbuilder burning my laptop :-) [03:23] sweet. :) [03:23] we've got a bunch of new people involved [03:23] Nafallo: I'm building remotely :) [03:23] yeah I know, I barely recognize a lot of them [03:23] yay ExpandingUniverse! [03:24] ajmitch: my laptop is my fastest computer with most of everything except discspace ;-) [03:24] yeah, revu is going well, we're planning regular review days [03:24] Nafallo: my current laptop is a p2, so no building there [03:24] :-) [03:26] my server is an amd-k6-2 450MHz :-) [03:26] my laptop is an mobile amd64 2800+ [03:26] :-) [03:27] nice.. [03:27] my desktop is an xp 1800+ [03:28] hehe, then I understand why you do it remotly ;-) [03:28] no, I'm building on that ;) [03:28] I'm not at home at the moment [03:29] ajmitch: have you got the time to review what I did to ethereal? [03:30] well, I'll have more time in 3-4 hours.. [03:30] ajmitch: I hope to be asleep by then ;-) [03:30] http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/ethereal_0.10.12-2ubuntu1.debdiff [03:30] it's a rather small diff [03:31] the stuff I'm not sure about it ethereal-dev :-P [03:31] any good reason to remove libpcap0.8-dev, etc from depends? [03:31] it doesn't belong there? :-) [03:32] I suspect that people using ethereal-dev will want some of those depends [03:33] I'll follow you command on which ones to keep :-). [03:33] how well does kismet work without the libpcap0.8-dev & glib? [03:33] that's kismet's problem [03:33] as that's the only package in universe that build-deps on ethereal-dev [03:33] and should be solved in there [03:33] IMHO [03:34] "http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/ethereal_0.10.12-2ubuntu1.debdiff [03:34] sorry [03:34] " The -dev package should depend on all -dev packages for libraries that the library package directly depends upon, with the specific (so)version that the library package is linked against. This includes libc-dev." [03:34] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#id4685364 [03:36] ahh, oki [03:36] that is for shared libs, but I'd say it can extend to this case [03:37] libpcap and libglib then. anything more that will have to be there? [03:38] maybe I should just remove the last four? === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc2-cove3-5-0-cust220.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:42] morning bddebian [03:42] Howdy Nafallo [03:43] bddebian: how's life? [03:44] Pretty shitty lately. How about you? :-) [03:44] hello bddebian [03:44] Nafallo: that's probably safe to remove those others [03:44] you could always ask the debian maintainer :) [03:45] Heya ajmitch [03:46] bddebian: working, time is 3:45, I'm still using my pbuilder and have the fan on speed 2/3. [03:46] ajmitch: I'll remove the last four for now. those should be safe :-). [03:46] ajmitch: thanx :-) [03:47] bddebian: make that 3/3 [03:47] bddebian: I've started throwing all the unmet deps at pbuilder [03:47] assuming I don't run out of diskspace, they should get processed & I'll look over logs, installable packages, etc [03:48] ajmitch: Cool [03:48] Nafallo: A little hot is it? :-) [03:48] bddebian: naah; more like... BURNING :-) [03:49] Heh [03:49] still winter here :) [03:50] ajmitch: hehe, and you're upside down to ;-) === cat [n=deb@c-66-176-252-44.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jaldhar [n=jaldhar@pcp09354467pcs.jersyc01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] hey everyone [03:53] Hello cat [03:53] hey bddebian [03:54] hmm, debdiff updated ;-) [04:06] hey people can someone leed me to the right path i want to be an ubuntu developer where do i star from? [04:07] cat: You can check out: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU I suppose === Nafallo yawns * === ajmitch takes another unmet dep off the list :) [04:10] Just one? ;-P [04:10] well, two so far this afternoon [04:12] ajmitch: nice [04:12] Weak === ajmitch /ignores bddebian [04:12] :-) [04:13] so is it worth it to keep working on the unmet deps? [04:13] Hehe [04:13] I asked that same question a couple of days ago [04:14] depends, what else do you want to work on? [04:14] I was looking at automating the build of the packages on the unmet dep page, but it sounds like ajmitch alredy did that :) [04:14] bmonty: yeah, started doing that just before [04:14] ajmitch: whatever needs working on [04:14] bmonty: take a look at malone bugs :) [04:14] I think we've got enough to work on for awhile [04:15] review packages, put comments up [04:15] only MOTUs can advocate, but anyone can give comments [04:15] any specific malone bugs to look at? [04:16] any & all ;) === ajmitch can't really spend time at the moment identifying what we need to work on [04:16] I think I'll overhaul MOTUTodo tomorrow for that === ajmitch wishes he had a nice fast amd64 for building === seth_k [n=seth@24-117-17-230.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo *wissles* [04:22] hmm, libdps1 has rdepends that should be rebuilt :-) [04:22] Nafallo, that's whistles ;-P [04:23] bddebian: indeed :-). thanx [04:23] 4:23 [04:23] I wonder when ethereal is built ;-) [04:24] hey i have a question does someone have the packaged bitchx on ubuntu [04:24] because i'm building it (: [04:25] bitchx | 1:1.0-0c19.20030512-2 | http://localhost breezy/universe Packages [04:25] oh [04:25] so it's already there? [04:25] yes [04:25] how about irssi? [04:25] of course [04:25] same version as in warty :-) [04:26] darn it [04:26] irssi is in main [04:26] irssi is in main, I believe [04:26] I know :-) [04:27] cat: why are you wanting to build those packages which exist? [04:27] so what can i build then (: [04:27] well at was just asking so i can build something === persia [n=persia@p3101-ipbf412marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] are you wanting to create a new package? [04:28] yeah [04:28] for ubuntu [04:28] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates [04:28] that page probably has a few entires that can be removed now, but most of them are request from users [04:29] hmm [04:29] so what can i do ajmitch ? [04:29] I should remove my entries ;-) [04:30] cat: if you're intent on building a new package, choose one & build it [04:30] but the one i choosed was already in the ubuntu =( [04:30] I'd suggest fixing existing packges first [04:30] alright like? what packages [04:32] ask Nafallo or bddebian === ajmitch has to get some work done today [04:37] ajmitch: I wish you could teach me that someday ;-) [04:37] it's 4:37 here and I'm still rebuilding stuff :-P [04:37] teach you what? [04:38] to do the work on days, rather than nights ;-) [04:38] heh === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch is about ready to kill apt-proxy [04:58] md5sum errors, again.. === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lathiat uses debmirror. :) [04:59] Lathiat: does that cache only the packages you download? :) [05:00] ajmitch: nope :) [05:00] then it's fairly uselss for me [05:00] I live in NZ, remember [05:00] and? [05:00] you've heard the horror stories of connectivity here.. [05:00] not really [05:00] is it worse than AU? [05:00] where 256Kbps is considered broadband :) [05:00] oh yes [05:00] hrm [05:00] well i have 1.5mbit [05:01] I have 256/128, 10GB data cap === Lathiat remembers 6 months ago when he had 256kbps === Lathiat shudders [05:01] hmm [05:01] wow 128 up, i had 64 :) [05:01] that's the same situation that i am in [05:01] and I only moved to 256 a few months ago [05:01] from 128/128 [05:01] but then i live in a 3rd world country [05:01] i was on 28.8k up until 6 months ago [05:01] yeah but that's just crap ;) [05:02] well, up until a year ago, then for 6 months i had no net access.. then i got 256 dsl.. then upgraded through 512 and 1.5 :) [05:02] since i had money now [05:02] I'm supposedly going to 2Mbit next week [05:02] what do you pay for 256 ? [05:02] still with a 10GB cap [05:02] well i have a 20G cap [05:02] $60 NZ/month [05:02] i synced my mirror up initally at uni [05:02] hm thats kinda ouch i was paying 40 [05:02] NZ ~= AU ? === Nafallo has no cap, no closed ports, no nothing 512/512kbps [05:03] sorry, $50 [05:03] handy thing tho is i get free traffic to the WAIX network [05:03] probably about 1 NZD = 0.9 AUD [05:03] which includes mirrors for lots of things [05:03] that's useful [05:03] they're moving away from that sort of thing here [05:03] i can get most distros, etc [05:03] stupid telcos [05:04] funnily enough [05:04] about the only isps not on waix [05:04] is telstra and optus [05:04] telstra have de-peered here [05:04] for every other isp its a big cost saving [05:04] because they pay about $250/month for 100mbit [05:04] traffic to .au can go via the US at times [05:04] unlimited [05:04] where as 1mbit of of a tesltra pipe is like $800 [05:04] DSL here is a joke [05:04] well before [05:04] when i used to go from perth [05:05] to other parts of perth [05:05] i'd go perth -> sydney->melbourne->adelaide->perth [05:05] ISPs have a layer 2 tunnel to telecom, who runs all the hardware [05:05] thats what happens here in most cases [05:05] only just started to have DSLAM rollouts [05:05] lsat year or so [05:05] you at least have some unbundling [05:05] so now you can get 8mbit dsl, 12mbit on some [05:05] telstra locks you to 1.5 max [05:05] but to get 8mbit dsl [05:05] i need to bundle in aphone service [05:05] with rental twice as much [05:06] you can get 8Mbps from telecom, if you pay 15c/MB [05:06] heh [05:06] you guys still have 'telecom' there ? [05:06] telecom NZ [05:06] ours used to be telecom.. along.. long time ago, then it was partly privatised and went to 'telstra' === jsgotangco remembers those expensive telstra overseas calls [05:06] and the only other big player is 'telstraclear' [05:06] since they bought out clear communications :) [05:07] heh [05:07] hmm [05:08] amd64 gone? :-P [05:08] buildd, you mean? [05:08] yepp [05:08] probably [05:08] they've been having a few issues lately [05:09] yea, I know. [05:09] tomorrow will be a massive give-back ;-) [05:09] hopefully ethereal is built then [05:10] apt-proxy issues have halted my pbuilder fun for now [05:10] as it's doing apt-get update & breaking on each build [05:10] hmm [05:10] apt-get update on each build? [05:11] mine doesn't do that :-P [05:11] yes === persia [n=persia@p3101-ipbf412marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:11] I've got a hook to do that [05:11] I thought so === ajmitch can probably comment it out for this run [05:13] anyway. time for sleep. [05:13] 05:13 here [05:13] night [05:13] :) [05:13] morning ;-) [05:18] is it OK to assign bugs in malone to myself or does someone else control that? [05:19] no, go ahead [05:19] which bug is it, btw? [05:19] I've been playing with the desktop files...bug is #246 === aisipos [n=aisipos@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:20] ok, great [05:20] when I make the desktop file, do I add it to malone as a patch, or make a new version of the package and upload it to REVU? [05:21] upload to REVU, I think [05:21] we'll put this info on a wiki page, so you can link from there [05:22] ok [05:22] apt-spy is wierd the package has a mirrors list for debian instead of ubuntu....kinda useless like that [05:23] that's because it's an import from debian, of course :) [05:25] yeah I know [05:25] I'll add a useful mirrors list to it === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:26] ah, isdnutils needs sync.. [05:26] that will cause a few others to build [05:26] as long as xmkmf is back in the xorg packages [05:27] I put a list of some of the packages I found that depend in isdnutils on the unmetdeps page [05:27] ah, thanks [05:56] how does the menu system know when it needs to run sudo? (for like synaptic, gnome-system-tools, etc) [05:57] it's coded into the .desktop file [05:57] they have Exec=gksudo synaptic [05:58] ok, thanks === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:07] shorewall package is breezy is rather old people [06:07] s/is/in/ [06:07] chillywilly: make up a newer one and submit it? [06:08] I don't have time right now [06:09] so you prefer to complain, and do nothing? :) [06:09] um, yes [06:09] SloMo: what's up with g-p-m? [06:09] at least debian sid has 2.4.1 for crying out loud ;) [06:09] chillywilly: there are nicer ways to ask than how you did :P [06:10] chillywilly: if you can give adequate reason for breaking the upstream version freeze, we will consider syncing with sid [06:10] when was there an upstream version freeze? [06:10] early july [06:11] feature freeze was today [06:11] 2.0.13 is very old [06:11] 2.2.5 too [06:12] well 2.4.1 was uploaded into sid 10 days after the breezy freeze [06:12] rather than saying "it's old", give a reason [06:12] think I'll just compile it then [06:13] bah [06:13] it fixes some vunerability and adds some features [06:14] ok, that's getting a little better :) [06:14] does it build cleanly? are there packages depending on it? [06:14] no idea [06:15] all I know is that it would be nice to have the latest package :) [06:15] we'll take your position into consideration :P [06:15] Depends: iptables (>= 1.2.7a), iproute, debconf [06:15] reverse depends are what matters in this case [06:15] the main one I see is webmin-shorewall [06:16] ic [06:16] no one uses webmin anyway ;) === chillywilly ducks [06:16] syncing one package but breaking others is bad form [06:17] fooey ;) [06:17] looks like we have to get either 2.4.1-3 or a new 2.2.6 in anyway, for that MACLIST vuln [06:17] so you might get your wish on a technicality :P [06:18] that's what I was referring to [06:18] MACLIST is fixed in 2.4.2 [06:19] and 2.4.1-3, in sid [06:19] so they pactched it? [06:19] yes [06:19] why not change the version number? [06:19] they just patched it to fix the vuln? [06:20] yes [06:20] bleh ;) [06:20] because building a new upstream package can be a bit more work [06:20] go complain to the debian developer then [06:21] so you guys only just use stuff that's already been packaged by the debian ppl? [06:21] no [06:21] but forking is a bad thing, that causes a lot more pain [06:22] ic [06:22] when there's ~20 MOTUs for a few thousand packages, do you think we'll do everything from scratch? [06:22] 2.4.1-3 came out a couple of days before 2.4.2 [06:22] sorry, 2.4.1-2 did (which had the patch) [06:26] well, I just thought I would mention it at least ;) [06:26] I can take the sid source and build a package if I get desparate [06:28] the shorewall author told me it was soe italian grad student that maintains is and this time of year he is on holiday and is not very likely to be making packages since this is one of the few times he's not on campus [06:29] s/is/it/ [06:29] he told me that earlier in the day [06:29] right [06:29] 2.0.13 is from Dec 2004 ;) [06:30] 2.0.13 is in which distro? [06:30] Hoary [06:30] you know that we can't stick new versions into hoary [06:31] I know [06:31] hoary froze around that time, december 2004 really isn't that long ago [06:31] it's eons in the FOSS world :) [06:31] actually I can't recall when UVF was for hoary [06:32] so do something about it, instead of complaining just how antique things are [06:32] you're complaining that software was released about 3 months before hoary was, what a disaster :) [06:33] there might have been 10 of us working on universe at the time, do you think we could have made sure everything was up to date & working? [06:34] ajmitch: universe didn't do UVF for hoary [06:34] Amaranth: we didn't have an official freeze, but the autosync stopped [06:34] which is what matters [06:34] now we have no auto syncs, and we have to justify manual syncs [06:35]