[12:02] <Nafallo> tseng: stopped working after I upgraded dbus, worked again after rebuild.
[12:02] <ajmitch> is beagle in main? apt is acting up here, so I can't check
[12:02] <tseng> its not (yet)
[12:02] <ajmitch> right
[12:03] <tseng> that patch is fine with me, obvious
[12:03] <ajmitch> ok
[12:04] <tseng> we need working inotify
[12:04] <cat> yeah looks okay
[12:04] <tseng> if we dont get 0.13
[12:04] <ajmitch> is it not working in the latest breezy 2.6.12?
[12:04] <tseng> +ly
[12:04] <tseng> no
[12:04] <tseng> cvs works
[12:04] <tseng> inotify went from device -> syscall
[12:04] <ajmitch> ah
[12:05] <tseng> but its finally in mainline
[12:05] <ajmitch> I've got f-spot fixed in svn, need to test, upload to sid & sync for breezy
[12:05] <tseng> fixed how
[12:05] <tseng> i didnt catch that one
[12:05] <ajmitch> libexif, new maintainer, etc
[12:06] <ajmitch> it's on the unmet deps list at the moment
[12:06] <ajmitch> has RC bug in debian dur to libexif
[12:24] <rbelem> hey ogra
[12:26] <rbelem> which way is better to create meta-packages? cdd-dev?
[12:28] <ogra> i never worked with that.... ubuntu uses a tool called germinate... but thats overkill if you only want one metapackage... i'd just create a empty package with dependency informations...
[12:29] <ajmitch> hi ogra
[12:29] <rbelem> ogra, cool ;)
[12:29] <Nafallo> rbelem: I would do what ogra would do :-)
[12:29] <rbelem> :D
[12:31] <rbelem> Nafallo,  nice... if i have some question, i'll ask to you
[12:32] <Nafallo> rbelem: oki. if you go without answer for about 5 minutes, I've fallen asleep :-).
[12:32] <rbelem> hihihihihihi
[12:32] <rbelem> :)
[12:41] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: well done on getting inkspace 0.42 in :)
[01:03] <cat> alright,
[01:03] <cat> at was reading some book,
[01:22] <Nafallo> yippi! debian has not the same size on there kismet_2005.06.R1.orig.tar.gz as we do
[01:23] <ajmitch> that makes for exciting merges
[01:24] <Nafallo> I'm keen to package up 2005.07.R1a just for the sake of it.
[01:25] <ajmitch> and then try & justify breaking UVF for universe :)
[01:25] <ajmitch> if there are problems with the current version, then it's possible
[01:25] <Nafallo> ajmitch: should fix a segfault... ;-)
[01:25] <ajmitch> ok, I'd probably approve that
[01:27] <Nafallo> anyway, I bump what we got soon for the move-out of libdps1. I'll try to sync up depends and stuff with debian while I'm at it :-).
[01:29] <ajmitch> Nafallo: great
[01:48] <Nafallo> yes! ethereal-dev bails out cause it can't find python2.3 ;-)
[01:50] <ajmitch> some of the buildds are on crack still, I think
[01:51] <Nafallo> that was on my pbuilder though
[01:51] <ajmitch> right..
[01:51] <ajmitch> I see that the last buildd run for it was successful
[01:51] <ajmitch> Nafallo: so add the dep in..
[01:52] <ajmitch> :)
[01:52] <Nafallo> should be better to make ethereal honour python2.4 :-
[01:52] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:53] <ajmitch> certainly
[01:54] <Nafallo> almost done downloading the source ;-)
[01:59] <Nafallo> ajmitch: why would ethereal-dev need to dep on cdbs, debhelper, automake1.7, autoconf?
[01:59] <Nafallo> ... and other.
[01:59] <Nafallo> others even
[02:58] <ajmitch> Nafallo: dep, not build-dep?
[02:58] <Nafallo> ajmitch: yes, dep :-)
[02:59] <ajmitch> right, that is crackful
[02:59] <Nafallo> ajmitch: there are build-deps to. but ethereal-dev deps on them.
[03:00] <ajmitch> I think you'll find that the debian maintainer needs a beating
[03:01] <ajmitch> I guess he means it for those poor people who'd want to write ethereal plugins
[03:01] <ajmitch> which still doesn't mean it makes sense :)
[03:02] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:03] <ajmitch> which will take quite awhile
[03:05] <Nafallo> ajmitch: yay! :-)
[03:06] <ajmitch> I should really setup sbuild instead
[03:06] <ajmitch> & I've started on the zope changes review
[03:06] <ajmitch> http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/zope/REVIEW
[03:07] <ajmitch> lots of packages for me to look over & feed to the pkg-zope debian team :)
[03:07] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:14] <ajmitch> hmm, looks like I really need more diskspace to do this
[03:15] <Nafallo> prune the porn ;-)
[03:17] <ajmitch> apt-get autoclean cleared up a bit of junk
[03:19] <whiprush> Burgundavia: awake?
[03:20] <ajmitch> yo whiprush
[03:20] <whiprush> hi aj
[03:20] <ajmitch> what's up?
[03:20] <whiprush> you see that Ubuntu Bus thing I just blogged about?
[03:20] <whiprush> it's awesome.
[03:21] <ajmitch> hah, cool
[03:22] <whiprush> how are things here in motu-land?
[03:22] <ajmitch> rocking as always
[03:23] <Nafallo> pbuilder burning my laptop :-)
[03:23] <whiprush> sweet. :)
[03:23] <ajmitch> we've got a bunch of new people involved
[03:23] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I'm building remotely :)
[03:23] <whiprush> yeah I know, I barely recognize a lot of them
[03:23] <whiprush> yay ExpandingUniverse!
[03:24] <Nafallo> ajmitch: my laptop is my fastest computer with most of everything except discspace ;-)
[03:24] <ajmitch> yeah, revu is going well, we're planning regular review days
[03:24] <ajmitch> Nafallo: my current laptop is a p2, so no building there
[03:24] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:26] <Nafallo> my server is an amd-k6-2 450MHz :-)
[03:26] <Nafallo> my laptop is an mobile amd64 2800+
[03:26] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:27] <ajmitch> nice..
[03:27] <ajmitch> my desktop is an xp 1800+
[03:28] <Nafallo> hehe, then I understand why you do it remotly ;-)
[03:28] <ajmitch> no, I'm building on that ;)
[03:28] <ajmitch> I'm not at home at the moment
[03:29] <Nafallo> ajmitch: have you got the time to review what I did to ethereal?
[03:30] <ajmitch> well, I'll have more time in 3-4 hours..
[03:30] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I hope to be asleep by then ;-)
[03:30] <Nafallo> http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/ethereal_0.10.12-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[03:30] <Nafallo> it's a rather small diff
[03:31] <Nafallo> the stuff I'm not sure about it ethereal-dev :-P
[03:31] <ajmitch> any good reason to remove libpcap0.8-dev, etc from depends?
[03:31] <Nafallo> it doesn't belong there? :-)
[03:32] <ajmitch> I suspect that people using ethereal-dev will want some of those depends
[03:33] <Nafallo> I'll follow you command on which ones to keep :-).
[03:33] <ajmitch> how well does kismet work without the libpcap0.8-dev & glib?
[03:33] <Nafallo> that's kismet's problem
[03:33] <ajmitch> as that's the only package in universe that build-deps on ethereal-dev
[03:33] <Nafallo> and should be solved in there
[03:33] <Nafallo> IMHO
[03:34] <ajmitch> "http://www.magicalforest.se/tmp/ethereal_0.10.12-2ubuntu1.debdiff
[03:34] <ajmitch> sorry
[03:34] <ajmitch> " The -dev package should depend on all -dev packages for libraries that the library package directly depends upon, with the specific (so)version that the library package is linked against. This includes libc-dev."
[03:34] <ajmitch> http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html#id4685364
[03:36] <Nafallo> ahh, oki
[03:36] <ajmitch> that is for shared libs, but I'd say it can extend to this case
[03:37] <Nafallo> libpcap and libglib then. anything more that will have to be there?
[03:38] <Nafallo> maybe I should just remove the last four?
[03:42] <Nafallo> morning bddebian
[03:42] <bddebian> Howdy Nafallo
[03:43] <Nafallo> bddebian: how's life?
[03:44] <bddebian> Pretty shitty lately.  How about you? :-)
[03:44] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:44] <ajmitch> Nafallo: that's probably safe to remove those others
[03:44] <ajmitch> you could always ask the debian maintainer :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[03:46] <Nafallo> bddebian: working, time is 3:45, I'm still using my pbuilder and have the fan on speed 2/3.
[03:46] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I'll remove the last four for now. those should be safe :-).
[03:46] <Nafallo> ajmitch: thanx :-)
[03:47] <Nafallo> bddebian: make that 3/3
[03:47] <ajmitch> bddebian: I've started throwing all the unmet deps at pbuilder
[03:47] <ajmitch> assuming I don't run out of diskspace, they should get processed & I'll look over logs, installable packages, etc
[03:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: Cool
[03:48] <bddebian> Nafallo: A little hot is it? :-)
[03:48] <Nafallo> bddebian: naah; more like... BURNING :-)
[03:49] <bddebian> Heh
[03:49] <ajmitch> still winter here :)
[03:50] <Nafallo> ajmitch: hehe, and you're upside down to ;-)
[03:53] <cat> hey everyone
[03:53] <bddebian> Hello cat
[03:53] <cat> hey bddebian
[03:54] <Nafallo> hmm, debdiff updated ;-)
[04:06] <cat> hey people can someone leed me to the right path i want to be an ubuntu developer where do i star from?
[04:07] <bddebian> cat: You can check out: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU I suppose
[04:10] <bddebian> Just one? ;-P
[04:10] <ajmitch> well, two so far this afternoon
[04:12] <bmonty> ajmitch: nice
[04:12] <bddebian> Weak
[04:12] <bddebian> :-)
[04:13] <bmonty> so is it worth it to keep working on the unmet deps?
[04:13] <bddebian> Hehe
[04:13] <bddebian> I asked that same question a couple of days ago
[04:14] <ajmitch> depends, what else do you want to work on?
[04:14] <bmonty> I was looking at automating the build of the packages on the unmet dep page, but it sounds like ajmitch alredy did that :)
[04:14] <ajmitch> bmonty: yeah, started doing that just before
[04:14] <bmonty> ajmitch: whatever needs working on
[04:14] <ajmitch> bmonty: take a look at malone bugs :)
[04:14] <ajmitch> I think we've got enough to work on for awhile
[04:15] <ajmitch> review packages, put comments up
[04:15] <ajmitch> only MOTUs can advocate, but anyone can give comments
[04:15] <bmonty> any specific malone bugs to look at?
[04:16] <ajmitch> any & all ;)
[04:16] <ajmitch> I think I'll overhaul MOTUTodo tomorrow for that
[04:22] <Nafallo> hmm, libdps1 has rdepends that should be rebuilt :-)
[04:22] <bddebian> Nafallo, that's whistles ;-P
[04:23] <Nafallo> bddebian: indeed :-). thanx
[04:23] <Nafallo> 4:23
[04:23] <Nafallo> I wonder when ethereal is built ;-)
[04:24] <cat> hey i have a question does someone have the packaged bitchx on ubuntu
[04:24] <cat> because i'm building it (:
[04:25] <Nafallo> bitchx | 1:1.0-0c19.20030512-2 | http://localhost breezy/universe Packages
[04:25] <cat> oh
[04:25] <cat> so it's already there?
[04:25] <ajmitch> yes
[04:25] <cat> how about irssi?
[04:25] <ajmitch> of course
[04:25] <Nafallo> same version as in warty :-)
[04:26] <cat> darn it
[04:26] <Nafallo> irssi is in main
[04:26] <ajmitch> irssi is in main, I believe
[04:26] <Nafallo> I know :-)
[04:27] <ajmitch> cat: why are you wanting to build those packages which exist?
[04:27] <cat> so what can i build then (:
[04:27] <cat> well at was just asking so i can build something
[04:27] <ajmitch> are you wanting to create a new package?
[04:28] <cat> yeah
[04:28] <cat> for ubuntu
[04:28] <ajmitch> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseCandidates
[04:28] <ajmitch> that page probably has a few entires that can be removed now, but most of them are request from users
[04:29] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:29] <cat> so what can i do ajmitch ?
[04:29] <Nafallo> I should remove my entries ;-)
[04:30] <ajmitch> cat: if you're intent on building a new package, choose one & build it
[04:30] <cat> but the one i choosed was already in the ubuntu =(
[04:30] <ajmitch> I'd suggest fixing existing packges first
[04:30] <cat> alright like? what packages
[04:32] <ajmitch> ask Nafallo or bddebian
[04:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: I wish you could teach me that someday ;-)
[04:37] <Nafallo> it's 4:37 here and I'm still rebuilding stuff :-P
[04:37] <ajmitch> teach you what?
[04:38] <Nafallo> to do the work on days, rather than nights ;-)
[04:38] <ajmitch> heh
[04:58] <ajmitch> md5sum errors, again..
[04:59] <ajmitch> Lathiat: does that cache only the packages you download? :)
[05:00] <Lathiat> ajmitch: nope :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> then it's fairly uselss for me
[05:00] <ajmitch> I live in NZ, remember
[05:00] <Lathiat> and?
[05:00] <ajmitch> you've heard the horror stories of connectivity here..
[05:00] <Lathiat> not really
[05:00] <Lathiat> is it worse than AU?
[05:00] <ajmitch> where 256Kbps is considered broadband :)
[05:00] <ajmitch> oh yes
[05:00] <Lathiat> hrm
[05:00] <Lathiat> well i have 1.5mbit
[05:01] <ajmitch> I have 256/128, 10GB data cap
[05:01] <jsgotangco> hmm
[05:01] <Lathiat> wow 128 up, i had 64 :)
[05:01] <jsgotangco> that's the same situation that i am in
[05:01] <ajmitch> and I only moved to 256 a few months ago
[05:01] <ajmitch> from 128/128
[05:01] <jsgotangco> but then i live in a 3rd world country
[05:01] <Lathiat> i was on 28.8k up until 6 months ago
[05:01] <ajmitch> yeah but that's just crap ;)
[05:02] <Lathiat> well, up until a year ago, then for 6 months i had no net access.. then i got 256 dsl.. then upgraded through 512 and 1.5 :)
[05:02] <Lathiat> since i had money now
[05:02] <ajmitch> I'm supposedly going to 2Mbit next week
[05:02] <Lathiat> what do you pay for 256 ?
[05:02] <ajmitch> still with a 10GB cap
[05:02] <Lathiat> well i have a 20G cap
[05:02] <ajmitch> $60 NZ/month
[05:02] <Lathiat> i synced my mirror up initally at uni
[05:02] <Lathiat> hm thats kinda ouch i was paying 40
[05:02] <Lathiat> NZ ~= AU ?
[05:03] <ajmitch> sorry, $50
[05:03] <Lathiat> handy thing tho is i get free traffic to the WAIX network
[05:03] <ajmitch> probably about 1 NZD = 0.9 AUD
[05:03] <Lathiat> which includes mirrors for lots of things
[05:03] <ajmitch> that's useful
[05:03] <ajmitch> they're moving away from that sort of thing here
[05:03] <Lathiat> i can get most distros, etc
[05:03] <ajmitch> stupid telcos
[05:04] <Lathiat> funnily enough
[05:04] <Lathiat> about the only isps not on waix
[05:04] <Lathiat> is telstra and optus
[05:04] <ajmitch> telstra have de-peered here
[05:04] <Lathiat> for every other isp its a big cost saving
[05:04] <Lathiat> because they pay about $250/month for 100mbit
[05:04] <ajmitch> traffic to .au can go via the US at times
[05:04] <Lathiat> unlimited
[05:04] <Lathiat> where as 1mbit of of a tesltra pipe is like $800
[05:04] <ajmitch> DSL here is a joke
[05:04] <Lathiat> well before
[05:04] <Lathiat> when i used to go from perth
[05:05] <Lathiat> to other parts of perth
[05:05] <Lathiat> i'd go perth -> sydney->melbourne->adelaide->perth
[05:05] <ajmitch> ISPs have a layer 2 tunnel to telecom, who runs all the hardware
[05:05] <Lathiat> thats what happens here in most cases
[05:05] <Lathiat> only just started to have DSLAM rollouts
[05:05] <Lathiat> lsat year or so
[05:05] <ajmitch> you at least have some unbundling
[05:05] <Lathiat> so now you can get 8mbit dsl, 12mbit on some
[05:05] <Lathiat> telstra locks you to 1.5 max
[05:05] <Lathiat> but to get 8mbit dsl
[05:05] <Lathiat> i need to bundle in aphone service
[05:05] <Lathiat> with rental twice as much
[05:06] <ajmitch> you can get 8Mbps from telecom, if you pay 15c/MB
[05:06] <Lathiat> heh
[05:06] <Lathiat> you guys still have 'telecom' there ?
[05:06] <ajmitch> telecom NZ
[05:06] <Lathiat> ours used to be telecom.. along.. long time ago, then it was partly privatised and went to 'telstra'
[05:06] <ajmitch> and the only other big player is 'telstraclear'
[05:06] <ajmitch> since they bought out clear communications :)
[05:07] <Lathiat> heh
[05:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:08] <Nafallo> amd64 gone? :-P
[05:08] <ajmitch> buildd, you mean?
[05:08] <Nafallo> yepp
[05:08] <ajmitch> probably
[05:08] <ajmitch> they've been having a few issues lately
[05:09] <Nafallo> yea, I know.
[05:09] <Nafallo> tomorrow will be a massive give-back ;-)
[05:09] <Nafallo> hopefully ethereal is built then
[05:10] <ajmitch> apt-proxy issues have halted my pbuilder fun for now
[05:10] <ajmitch> as it's doing apt-get update & breaking on each build
[05:10] <Nafallo> hmm
[05:10] <Nafallo> apt-get update on each build?
[05:11] <Nafallo> mine doesn't do that :-P
[05:11] <ajmitch> yes
[05:11] <ajmitch> I've got a hook to do that
[05:11] <Nafallo> I thought so
[05:13] <Nafallo> anyway. time for sleep.
[05:13] <Nafallo> 05:13 here
[05:13] <ajmitch> night
[05:13] <ajmitch> :)
[05:13] <Nafallo> morning ;-)
[05:18] <bmonty> is it OK to assign bugs in malone to myself or does someone else control that?
[05:19] <ajmitch> no, go ahead
[05:19] <ajmitch> which bug is it, btw?
[05:19] <bmonty> I've been playing with the desktop files...bug is #246
[05:20] <ajmitch> ok, great
[05:20] <bmonty> when I make the desktop file, do I add it to malone as a patch, or make a new version of the package and upload it to REVU?
[05:21] <ajmitch> upload to REVU, I think
[05:21] <ajmitch> we'll put this info on a wiki page, so you can link from there
[05:22] <bmonty> ok
[05:22] <bmonty> apt-spy is wierd the package has a mirrors list for debian instead of ubuntu....kinda useless like that
[05:23] <ajmitch> that's because it's an import from debian, of course :)
[05:25] <bmonty> yeah I know
[05:25] <bmonty> I'll add a useful mirrors list to it
[05:26] <ajmitch> ah, isdnutils needs sync..
[05:26] <ajmitch> that will cause a few others to build
[05:26] <bmonty> as long as xmkmf is back in the xorg packages
[05:27] <bmonty> I put a list of some of the packages I found that depend in isdnutils on the unmetdeps page
[05:27] <ajmitch> ah, thanks
[05:56] <bmonty> how does the menu system know when it needs to run sudo? (for like synaptic, gnome-system-tools, etc)
[05:57] <Amaranth> it's coded into the .desktop file
[05:57] <Amaranth> they have Exec=gksudo synaptic
[05:58] <bmonty> ok, thanks
[06:07] <chillywilly> shorewall package is breezy is rather old people
[06:07] <chillywilly> s/is/in/
[06:07] <Amaranth> chillywilly: make up a newer one and submit it?
[06:08] <chillywilly> I don't have time right now
[06:09] <ajmitch> so you prefer to complain, and do nothing? :)
[06:09] <chillywilly> um, yes
[06:09] <Amaranth> SloMo: what's up with g-p-m?
[06:09] <chillywilly> at least debian sid has 2.4.1 for crying out loud ;)
[06:09] <ajmitch> chillywilly: there are nicer ways to ask than how you did :P
[06:10] <ajmitch> chillywilly: if you can give adequate reason for breaking the upstream version freeze, we will consider syncing with sid
[06:10] <chillywilly> when was there an upstream version freeze?
[06:10] <ajmitch> early july
[06:11] <ajmitch> feature freeze was today
[06:11] <chillywilly> 2.0.13 is very old
[06:11] <chillywilly> 2.2.5 too
[06:12] <ajmitch> well 2.4.1 was uploaded into sid 10 days after the breezy freeze
[06:12] <ajmitch> rather than saying "it's old", give a reason
[06:12] <chillywilly> think I'll just compile it then
[06:13] <ajmitch> bah
[06:13] <chillywilly> it fixes some vunerability and adds some features
[06:14] <ajmitch> ok, that's getting a little better :)
[06:14] <ajmitch> does it build cleanly? are there packages depending on it?
[06:14] <chillywilly> no idea
[06:15] <chillywilly> all I know is that it would be nice to have the latest package :)
[06:15] <ajmitch> we'll take your position into consideration :P
[06:15] <chillywilly> Depends: iptables (>= 1.2.7a), iproute, debconf
[06:15] <ajmitch> reverse depends are what matters in this case
[06:15] <ajmitch> the main one I see is webmin-shorewall
[06:16] <chillywilly> ic
[06:16] <chillywilly> no one uses webmin anyway ;)
[06:16] <ajmitch> syncing one package but breaking others is bad form
[06:17] <chillywilly> fooey ;)
[06:17] <ajmitch> looks like we have to get either 2.4.1-3 or a new 2.2.6 in anyway, for that MACLIST vuln
[06:17] <ajmitch> so you might get your wish on a technicality :P
[06:18] <chillywilly> that's what I was referring to
[06:18] <chillywilly> MACLIST is fixed in 2.4.2
[06:19] <ajmitch> and 2.4.1-3, in sid
[06:19] <chillywilly> so they pactched it?
[06:19] <ajmitch> yes
[06:19] <chillywilly> why not change the version number?
[06:19] <chillywilly> they just patched it to fix the vuln?
[06:20] <ajmitch> yes
[06:20] <chillywilly> bleh ;)
[06:20] <ajmitch> because building a new upstream package can be a bit more work
[06:20] <ajmitch> go complain to the debian developer then
[06:21] <chillywilly> so you guys only just use stuff that's already been packaged by the debian ppl?
[06:21] <ajmitch> no
[06:21] <ajmitch> but forking is a bad thing, that causes a lot more pain
[06:22] <chillywilly> ic
[06:22] <ajmitch> when there's ~20 MOTUs for a few thousand packages, do you think we'll do everything from scratch?
[06:22] <ajmitch> 2.4.1-3 came out a couple of days before 2.4.2
[06:22] <ajmitch> sorry, 2.4.1-2 did (which had the patch)
[06:26] <chillywilly> well, I just thought I would mention it at least ;)
[06:26] <chillywilly> I can take the sid source and build a package if I get desparate
[06:28] <chillywilly> the shorewall author told me it was soe italian grad student that maintains is and this time of year he is on holiday and is not very likely to be making packages since this is one of the few times he's not on campus
[06:29] <chillywilly> s/is/it/
[06:29] <chillywilly> he told me that earlier in the day
[06:29] <ajmitch> right
[06:29] <chillywilly> 2.0.13 is from Dec 2004 ;)
[06:30] <ajmitch> 2.0.13 is in which distro?
[06:30] <chillywilly> Hoary
[06:30] <ajmitch> you know that we can't stick new versions into hoary
[06:31] <chillywilly> I know
[06:31] <ajmitch> hoary froze around that time, december 2004 really isn't that long ago
[06:31] <chillywilly> it's eons in the FOSS world :)
[06:31] <ajmitch> actually I can't recall when UVF was for hoary
[06:32] <ajmitch> so do something about it, instead of complaining just how antique things are
[06:32] <ajmitch> you're complaining that software was released about 3 months before hoary was, what a disaster :)
[06:33] <ajmitch> there might have been 10 of us working on universe at the time, do you think we could have made sure everything was up to date & working?
[06:34] <Amaranth> ajmitch: universe didn't do UVF for hoary
[06:34] <ajmitch> Amaranth: we didn't have an official freeze, but the autosync stopped
[06:34] <ajmitch> which is what matters
[06:34] <ajmitch> now we have no auto syncs, and we have to justify manual syncs
[06:35] <ajmitch> I know we're going to get complaints for the whole breezy lifetime that packages are too old :)
[06:36] <ajmitch> Amaranth: remember, when smeg is in main, that's 18 months support for that version ;)
[06:36] <Amaranth> yeah
[06:37] <Amaranth> that's why it's going to be 0.7.5 and not 0.8, even if i did finish it soon enough
[06:42] <Treenaks> http://www.mugglenet.com/viewer/?image_location=krumstudent2.jpg -> is that jdub on the right?
[06:43] <ajmitch> almost :)
[06:43] <ajmitch> bbiab
[06:45] <chillywilly> does debin sid have a cvs repo?
[06:45] <chillywilly> debian*
[06:52] <Treenaks> chillywilly: what do you mean?
[06:52] <Treenaks> some packages in sid do
[06:53] <Treenaks> there's not one tree you can checkout to get debian sid source, if that's what you mean
[06:53] <Treenaks> you could apt-get source
[06:55] <chillywilly> ok
[06:55] <chillywilly> I suppose the size of such a thing would be massive
[06:55] <chillywilly> :)
[07:14] <ajmitch> back
[07:15] <chillywilly> forth
[07:15] <Amaranth> chillywilly: just the binary packages in sid are 11001 MB
[07:16] <Amaranth> double or triple that and you might have the source size
[07:16] <ajmitch> and when it's in revision control, you have the additional space from revisions
[07:16] <chillywilly> sure
[07:17] <Lathiat> for breezy i386 is 11G, with source its 25G or so i think
[07:17] <Amaranth> ok, so sid is about 25G
[07:17] <Lathiat> start a debmirror
[07:17] <Lathiat> it'l calculate it at the start
[07:17] <Amaranth> that first mirroring must suck
[07:18] <Lathiat> well see
[07:18] <Lathiat> i did it at uni :)
[07:18] <Lathiat> took 2 hours
[07:18] <Lathiat> 4M/s goodness
[07:18] <Lathiat> if i went to the other uni i could do it at 11 :)
[07:19] <ajmitch> and if I went to uni I could do it at 64Kb/s
[07:19] <Lathiat> heh
[07:19] <Lathiat> well partially tahts because
[07:19] <ajmitch> behind a proxy that only allows http/https
[07:19] <Lathiat> said mirror is on the second uni
[07:19] <ajmitch> right
[07:19] <Lathiat> and the first uni has $fast access to the second uni, because its not far away
[07:19] <ajmitch> otago uni doesn't mirror sid
[07:20] <Lathiat> said uni (ftp.uwa.edu.au) mirrors all of ubuntu and debian
[07:20] <Lathiat> which is v. handy
[07:20] <Lathiat> its also on waix as mentioned earlier
[07:31] <chillywilly> where's bddeian's beginner's wiki page?
[07:31] <chillywilly> doh, too many 's ;)
[07:31] <ajmitch> MOTUWannabeTips
[07:53] <pef> hello
[10:16] <mdke> is anyone working on fixing this: https://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/446/
[10:16] <mdke> or is it already fixed?
[10:30] <siretart> hey folks
[10:45] <mdke> did anyone see my post ^^
[11:45] <HiddenWolf> Is there any interest here to package / fix freevo?
[12:51] <torkel> mdke: I have osd working in tpb, with current breezy
[12:52] <ajmitch> torkel: right, I don't see where in the changelog it says it is disabled
[12:52] <ajmitch> it compiled with xosd support as-is
[12:53] <torkel> ajmitch: yeah, I can't find it either
[01:05] <ajmitch> morning \sh!!
[01:06] <ajmitch> so far I've thrown about 100 packages of unmet deps at pbuilder ;)
[01:06] <\sh> hehe
[01:06] <ajmitch> uploaded a few
[01:06] <\sh> I'm just fighting with the toshiba sk98lin module
[01:06] <ajmitch> so I've got a bunch of logfiles & debs that I'll go through tomorrow, pick out those that can be done
[01:07] <ajmitch> yay for pbuilder's --logfile option
[01:07] <\sh> ajmitch: are u experienced with the debian/ubuntu-installer thing?
[01:07] <ajmitch> nope
[01:07] <\sh> which package I have to install, to generate these type of initrd
[01:07] <\sh> s
[01:07] <ajmitch> what's the issue? trying to get the LaptopTesting done?
[01:07] <\sh> yeah
[01:07] <ajmitch> hoary, or breezy?
[01:07] <\sh> breezy
[01:07] <\sh> colony 2
[01:08] <ajmitch> since initrd is deprecated as of yesterday
[01:08] <ajmitch> ah
[01:08] <\sh> hu
[01:08] <ajmitch> jbailey got initramfs in
[01:08] <\sh> is daily iso installable?
[01:08] <ajmitch> should get buildable real soon now
[01:08] <ajmitch> mdz & others went insane trying to get the desktop & live cds workable
[01:08] <\sh> ah wait
[01:09] <\sh> I could use a linux-sources-2.6.12-3-i386
[01:09] <\sh> to get it running
[01:09] <\sh> lemme fetch it
[01:12] <mdke> thanks for closing that tpb bug ajmitch
[01:12] <ajmitch> mdke: my pleasure
[01:14] <SloMo> good morning
[01:15] <\sh> hey SloMo
[01:15] <ajmitch> morning SloMo
[01:16] <ajmitch> hopefully by the time I get a laptop colony 3 will be out
[01:16] <Treenaks> same for me
[01:16] <ajmitch> I think kamion wants it out in the next week or so
[01:16] <SloMo> woah... the math exam was really easy :) now i can get to more important work ;)
[01:17] <\sh> ok...laters...I have to try again :)
[01:17] <\sh> cheers
[01:17] <ajmitch> SloMo: great! :)
[01:20] <SloMo> hm, who to ask to get something out of the dep-wait queue? lamont?
[01:20] <ajmitch> infinity, I think
[01:25] <ajmitch> wb Mez :)
[01:25] <Mez> ty
[01:25] <Mez> ajmitch, it was hotplug that went tits up
[01:25] <ajmitch> ah,  makes sense
[01:25] <ajmitch> hi mbreit
[01:26] <mbreit> hi all
[01:26] <mbreit> hi ajmitch
[01:26] <Mez> ajmitch, hotplug was meant to bring up eth0 but it doesnt
[01:26] <SloMo> hmm does anybody else have problems with gamin (gam_server) on x86? it consumes up to 26% of all memory after running one day...
[01:27] <ajmitch> SloMo: it just goes a bit slow for me at tiems
[01:27] <ajmitch> only using a couple of MB though
[01:28] <SloMo> ajmitch: hmm... maybe i'm running an too old version... well i have to reboot anyways, new kernel ;)
[01:30] <ajmitch> beagle is nice with the gaim indexing now :)
[01:33] <torkel> :-)
[01:34] <torkel> now we just need a rebuild of tomboy so it works with dbus 0.35.2 :-9
[01:35] <ajmitch> torkel: it's in main, so tseng will handle it
[01:35] <torkel> ajmitch: yeah I noticed after I filed a bug in malone...
[01:38] <ajmitch> torkel: you marked the bug as against upstream tomboy..
[01:40] <torkel> ajmitch: *sigh* I just clicked on "File New Bug" and never noticed that it was for upstream... :-(
[02:27] <ajmitch> sigh, I hate wiki conflicts..
[02:38] <mbreit> who works on the wxpython packages?
[02:39] <ajmitch> mbreit: I've done a few
[02:39] <ajmitch> mbreit: or do you mean wxpython itself?
[02:40] <tseng> yay no more file chooser crash
[02:40] <mbreit> yes, i mean wxpython itself....
[02:40] <mbreit> wxpython2.4-1:
[02:40] <ajmitch> doko touched that last
[02:40] <mbreit> Replaces: libwxgtk2.4-python
[02:40] <ajmitch> mbreit: as it should..
[02:40] <mbreit> Depends: libwxgtk2.4-1-python
[02:40] <ajmitch> packages should depend on python-wx2.4 or python-wx2.6 if they want a specific version
[02:41] <ajmitch> mbreit: so what's the problem?
[02:42] <mbreit> wxpython2.4-1 is not installable on breezy...
[02:42] <mbreit> oh... okay, just have to change one package's dependency.... there was just a conflict ;)
[02:43] <doko> wxpython is perfect :-P
[02:43] <mbreit> ajmitch: so should i depend on wxpython2.4-1 or python-wx2.4?
[02:43] <mbreit> doko: yes it is ;)
[02:43] <ajmitch> doko recommended python-wx2.4
[02:44] <mbreit> doko: but i am not ;)
[02:44] <ajmitch> hehe
[02:44] <doko> ouch, hmm, but there is a bug ... ok, will fix ...
[02:44] <ajmitch> 'unplanned feature'
[02:44] <mbreit> but python-wx2.4 as a dependency is correct?
[02:46] <doko> mbreit: yes
[02:47] <slomo> jamessan|work: fine ;) i had some unplanned features last reboot... very funny easter eggs which kept me from beeing bored ;)
[02:48] <jamessan|work> excellent. I should remember to add more of those
[02:49] <torkel> tseng: can you please do a rebuild of tomboy so that it works again (with dbus 0.35.2)?
[02:49] <ajmitch> slomo: part of what makes breezy so fun
[02:50] <mbreit> okay, who wants to upload my patch?
[02:50] <mbreit> (fixed thuban package for gcc4 and wxpython)
[02:51] <ajmitch> sure, provide debdiff
[02:51] <mbreit> http://ubuntu.mobr.de/sources/debdiffs/thuban_1.0.0-1ubuntu3.debdiff
[02:53] <ajmitch> mbreit: it uses simple-patchsys?
[02:53] <mbreit> yes...
[02:53] <mbreit> ajmitch: please wait with uploading
[02:54] <mbreit> i just saw a possible bug
[02:54] <ajmitch> ok
[02:54] <ajmitch> I was reviewing & building before I upload :)
[02:54] <mbreit> ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx
[02:54] <mbreit> ...
[02:55] <ajmitch> see wxpython changelog, if it needs 2.4 specifically
[02:55] <ajmitch> "      import wxversion
[02:55] <ajmitch>       wxversion.select('2.4')
[02:55] <ajmitch>       import wx
[02:56] <ajmitch> "
[02:56] <mbreit> thanks..
[02:56] <mbreit> i'll patch that
[02:57] <Amaranth> that's kinda like pygtk, but less broken
[02:57] <ajmitch> some packages don't like wx 2.6 still
[02:58] <Amaranth> since something written for 2.0 will run on 2.8 it only has to decide whether or not to load a 1.x or 2.x binding
[02:58] <ajmitch> yay, editex is dead & gone
[02:59] <mbreit> oh.... there are lots of files with "from wxPython.wx import *"
[03:02] <mbreit> how do i import wxPython.grid then? just import grid?
[03:04] <ajmitch> mbreit: as long as you do the wxversion part first, it should work
[03:04] <mbreit> okay, i'll try
[03:05] <ajmitch> I _think_, ask doko for clarifications :)
[03:07] <doko> mbreit: just the first two lines ...
[03:07] <mbreit> doko: ?
[03:09] <mbreit> doko: what do you mean?
[03:12] <doko> import wxversion
       wxversion.select('2.4')
[03:12] <doko> import wxPython.grid
[03:12] <bddebian> Hello
[03:12] <mbreit> hey bddebian
[03:12] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[03:12] <mbreit> doko: it's wxPython.grid but wx without wxPython?
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya mbreit, ajmitch
[03:13] <doko> mbreit: ?
[03:14] <mbreit> doko: the wxpython changelog tells me to import wx, not wxPython.wx... and you say i should import wxPython.grid
[03:17] <doko> mbreit: don't change the imports, just execute the two lines, before the first import
[03:18] <mbreit> doko: okay, thanks... i was changing every wxPython.wx to wx ;)
[03:25] <mbreit> ajmitch: it works now... the debdiff is at the same url
[03:25] <ajmitch> ok
[03:28] <slomo> mbreit: better number the patches in the order they must be applied... for this 2 patches it doesn't matter but anyways...
[03:28] <mbreit> slomo: there have been other patches in there, and they were not numbered as well...
[03:31] <slomo> mbreit: well... then ignore me ;)
[03:31] <mbreit> *g*
[03:32] <slomo> but for your packages and packages without patches number them ;)
[03:33] <mbreit> slomo: i did some packages with patches and i numbered them all ;)
[03:50] <Nafallo> slomo: could you find out what went wrong with liferea? the version on REVU was uploaded, but never did hit the archive.
[03:51] <slomo> Nafallo: it's in dep-wait because of a much older version... i contacted infinity but got no answer yet..
[03:52] <Nafallo> slomo: oh, joy! :-)
[03:52] <ajmitch> yay, f-spot fixed & ready to upload\
[03:53] <slomo> Nafallo: why?
[03:53] <Nafallo> ajmitch: shall I test it on amd64 for you? :-)
[03:54] <Nafallo> slomo: I could build it, put it there and continue to like my life :-).
[03:54] <Nafallo> slomo: or something.
[03:54] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: if you care, could you test ooo2 on amd64 for me?
[03:54] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: sure.
[03:54] <Mithrandir> great. :-)
[03:54] <slomo> Nafallo: good idea ;)
[03:55] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: just tell me what you want me to do with it :-)
[03:55] <mbreit> yay... ooo2 on amd64 would be great ;)))
[03:55] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: test whether it works properly and if not, what's broken
[03:55] <Mithrandir> mbreit: it's in the archive.
[03:55] <mbreit> Mithrandir: but does not work
[03:56] <mbreit> does not find the 32 bit libstlport
[03:56] <ajmitch> Nafallo: ready to upload to sid - I'll ask for a sync to breezy tomorrow
[03:56] <mbreit> Mithrandir: /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/javaldx: error while loading shared libraries: libstlport_gcc.so.4.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:56] <mbreit> /usr/lib/openoffice2/program/soffice.bin.real: error while loading shared libraries: libstlport_gcc.so.4.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[03:57] <Mithrandir> mbreit: does it work if you install ia32-libs-openoffice.org?
[03:57] <Nafallo> ajmitch: oki
[03:57] <mbreit> Mithrandir: it is already installed
[03:58] <Mithrandir> mbreit: what does dpkg -S libstlport_gcc.so.4.6 tell you?
[03:58] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I have the fun of working on 2 distros at once - it's much better to have this work in debian as well
[03:59] <mbreit> Mithrandir: ia32-libs-openoffice.org: /usr/lib32/libstlport_gcc.so.4.6
[03:59] <mbreit> LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib32/ oowriter2 gives me the same error...
[04:00] <mbreit> lol... there is no /usr/lib32/libstlport*
[04:01] <Mithrandir> so something has nuked it.  Try tracking that down. :-)
[04:01] <mbreit> YAY.... ooo2 runs ;)
[04:01] <Mithrandir> please also test whether printing and such works
[04:01] <mbreit> Mithrandir: apt-get --reinstall install ia32-libs-openoffice.org ;))
[04:01] <Mithrandir> ok
[04:01] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: it's just the 32 bit version repackaged, though
[04:02] <Mithrandir> the 64 bit version is waaay too unstable
[04:02] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: oh but any amd64 would speed up the compiling I'm doing today :)
[04:02] <mbreit> Mithrandir: is there a possibility of using another gtk-theme with the 32 bit gtk? (and ooo of cause)
[04:02] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: well, that might be true. :-)
[04:02] <ajmitch> xp 1800+ isn't too bad, but it could be faster :)
[04:03] <Mithrandir> mbreit: you need to have a 32 bit theme engine lying around for that to happen, but yes, it's doable.  It's not a priority for me at the moment, though.
[04:03] <mbreit> Mithrandir: printing gives me an error message
[04:03] <mbreit> Mithrandir: but it prints anyway
[04:05] <mbreit> Mithrandir: besides that, everything seems to work well... are there any other things i should test?
[04:05] <Mithrandir> mbreit: just check whether it generally works, I guess.  :-)
[04:05] <Mithrandir> what is the error message you got from printing?
[04:06] <mbreit> Mithrandir: it says "Error while printing"
[04:07] <mbreit> on stdout/err it says "ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib32/libpangohack.so.0.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored." three times
[04:07] <Nafallo> hmm
[04:07] <mbreit> and lots of "Gdk-WARNING **: Error converting from UTF-8 to STRING", but these are not only when i want to pring
[04:08] <mbreit> ... print
[04:12] <Mithrandir> mbreit: yeah, those should be fairly harmless
[04:24] <mbreit> Mithrandir: ooo2 seems to be very stable... i had no other problem until now
[04:24] <Mithrandir> goodie
[04:29] <mbreit> Mithrandir: there is a bug... but i have the same but on x86...
[04:29] <mbreit> s/but/bug/
[04:29] <mbreit> if i export graphics as pdf, all the lines are missing...
[04:29] <Mithrandir> I'm not too interested if it's not amd64-specific. ;-)
[04:30] <mbreit> Mithrandir: then i have nothing for you ;)
[04:34] <slomo> waahh... i killed my rhythmbox ;) i crashed while importing my whole music collection... and when i start it now nothing happens... it just hangs, even when i delete the database... anybody else here with this problem?
[04:34] <mbreit> Mithrandir: i think there is a missing dependency on lib32stdc++6... i installed that by hand yesterday... or is that already fixed?
[04:36] <Mithrandir> mbreit: yes, it's missing and I just asked Nafallo to report it
[04:36] <\sh> grmpf
[04:37] <mbreit> Mithrandir: is lib32gcj6 needed as well? i don't see a dependency to that, too
[04:37] <mbreit> hey \sh
[04:38] <\sh> hey mbreit
[04:38] <\sh> I'm getting really confused
[04:38] <bddebian> Heya \sh
[04:38] <\sh> I'm trying to load a stupid module for the colony kernel
[04:38] <\sh> colony 2 kernel...and every single time, it complains about wrong / unknown symbols and refuses to load
[04:38] <ajmitch> trying to get the installer to work?
[04:39] <ajmitch> or are you past there?
[04:39] <\sh> ajmitch: colony 2....with normal initrd
[04:39] <\sh> the driver I put inside the initrd now...but the kernel module symbols are wrong
[04:39] <ajmitch> where'd you get the driver from?
[04:39] <\sh> and I don't find any hints how the colony 2 kernel is compiled...what version i should set etc.
[04:39] <\sh> http://www.syskonnect.com/syskonnect/support/driver/d0102_driver.html
[04:40] <\sh> the explanation is on http://glozer.net/dynabook/dynabook.html#ethernet
[04:40] <ajmitch> if you compile the module, you have to compile against the colony 2 kernel headers
[04:41] <ajmitch> compiling kernel modules can still be pretty evil
[04:41] <\sh> it's a patch for the kernel
[04:41] <ajmitch> oh, nasty
[04:42] <Mithrandir> mbreit: yes, for some stuff.  Please file a bug and assign to me.
[04:43] <ajmitch> be back in a few hours :)
[04:44] <\sh> hmmmm....one more try
[04:44] <\sh> bbl
[04:46] <siretart> Nafallo: I think that liferea is still in dep-wait and needs manual interverntion from buildd admins
[04:46] <slomo> hi siretart :)
[04:47] <siretart> huhu slomo
[04:48] <Nafallo> siretart, slomo: anyone pinged them? :-)
[04:59] <slomo> Nafallo: you can also ping infinity or lamont for liferea ;) maybe they don't listen to me or maybe it just gets faster then
[04:59] <Nafallo> slomo: :-)
[05:09] <Nafallo> slomo: !
[05:09] <slomo> Nafallo: ?
[05:09] <Nafallo> slomo: #ubuntu-devel ;-)
[05:10] <Nafallo> slomo: dep-wait on dbus-glib-1-dev
[05:11] <Nafallo> hmm, that was fast :-)
[05:11] <slomo> yeah... seems like he doesn't respond to queries ;)
[05:12] <siretart> finally :)
[05:12] <Nafallo> hehe
[05:12] <Nafallo> ping is more powerful indeed :-)
[05:13] <\sh> grmpf
[05:14] <slomo> \sh: what's the matter?
[05:14] <\sh> my driver
[05:14] <\sh> I can't get it incorporated into colony 2
[05:14] <\sh> but I need this stuff
[05:17] <\sh> hmmm
[05:17] <\sh> anybody has a clue about initrd-netboot-tools?
[05:19] <Amaranth> nothing like hacking up Ruffle just so you can listen to music again
[05:22] <slomo> Nafallo: why don't you ask for a sync for im-switch and change the build-depend after that? i don't know whether we get automated syncs this way...
[06:00] <slomo> Nafallo: ping?
[06:01] <\sh> YES
[06:01] <\sh> i screwed colony 2
[06:01] <ajmitch> hah
[06:01] <\sh> i have my driver
[06:02] <bddebian> ajmitch: Bah, who needs sleep? ;-)
[06:02] <jsgotangco> i kinda feel sleepy already
[06:05] <siretart> ogra: I created an revu account for you. use 'ogra@ubuntu.com' and use the recover link to learn your password
[06:06] <ajmitch_> pef: debian/copyright should have name & year(s), rather than just name imho
[06:06] <Lathiat> siretart: that gpg thing is rather nifty
[06:06] <Lathiat> for the password
[06:06] <Nafallo> slomo: pong
[06:06] <Nafallo> or semi-pong :-)
[06:06] <siretart> Lathiat: well, it is was a quick hack.
[06:07] <Lathiat> so much better than gnome-terminal
[06:07] <Lathiat> and all the features i want :)
[06:07] <Lathiat> had to hack up http://bur.st/~lathiat/Xresources
[06:07] <Lathiat> but otherwise good
[06:07] <slomo> Nafallo: why don't you sync im-switch from debian and change the build-depends after that? i don't know if we can get automated syncs this way... other than that you get my vote ;)
[06:07] <siretart> Lathiat: does is has a url parser?
[06:07] <Lathiat> now when im scrolling around a file in vim it doesnt do 1 line per second :)
[06:07] <Lathiat> siretart: no :(
[06:07] <siretart> does it have
[06:07] <Lathiat> thats the only thing i want
[06:07] <Lathiat> thats annoying me
[06:08] <Nafallo> slomo: good idea. I'll nag elmo :-)
[06:09] <slomo> Nafallo: but first ask someone else ;) maybe it's ok this way... don't know
[06:09] <pef> ajmitch : like this ? Copyright Holder: 2004-2005 Christoph Thielecke <crissi99@gmx.de>
[06:09] <Nafallo> slomo: to late ;-)
[06:09] <koke> \sh: BTW, nice laptop :)
[06:09] <slomo> Nafallo: lol ok
[06:11] <ajmitch_> pef: Copyright (C) 1985-2003 Name Here
[06:11] <ajmitch_> I believe that is the suggested format
[06:11] <jsgotangco> good night
[06:11] <\sh> koke: it is :) but it's a pain in da ass to install breezy ,-)
[06:12] <koke> :D
[06:12] <ajmitch_> \sh: ah well, you'll  have fun installing all the preview releases ;)
[06:13] <slomo> \sh: report (or better fix) all the bugs and you get an easy job next release ;)
[06:13] <\sh> slomo: i will...I just managed to include this bloody driver for this laptop ,-)
[06:13] <\sh> ajmitch_: yes :)
[06:13] <\sh> ajmitch_: u have to do it as well
[06:14] <ajmitch_> \sh: hopefully the one I get will have a cd drive & working ethernet ;)
[06:14] <\sh> ajmitch_: hahahq
[06:18] <\sh> ok...another try to install :)
[06:18] <\sh> bbl
[06:19] <Nafallo> slomo: it's in NEW ;-)
[06:20] <ajmitch_> pef: I'll test & finish up the review tomorrow
[06:21] <slomo> Nafallo: it's _in_ NEW? is that good? ;)
[06:21] <pef> ajmitch : nice :) i've added the copyright year and uploaded the package
[06:21] <siretart> pef: what about this file? http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508121820/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/files
[06:21] <siretart> lintian mocks about it
[06:22] <Nafallo> slomo: yea :-). atleast after elmo pushed it through ;-)
[06:22] <pef> siretart: in upstream tarball
[06:22] <pef> siretart: dpkg-source doesn't want to delete it
[06:22] <siretart> pef: you aren't serious, are you?
[06:22] <pef> siretart: there is already a debian layout in the orig tarball
[06:23] <siretart> another upstream wanting to include a debian/ directory? ARGL :/
[06:23] <pef> siretart: http://download.gna.org/kvpnc/kvpnc-0.7.2.tar.bz2
[06:23] <slomo> Nafallo: wonderfull :) now it will land in dep-wait... and you can directly upload the new version
[06:23] <siretart> pef: delete that file in clean target, as lintian suggests
[06:23] <Nafallo> slomo: :-)
[06:23] <slomo> siretart: it is deleted in clean ;) and that's not the only ugly thing in that upstream tarball...
[06:24] <siretart> oh damn
[06:24] <pef> siretart: have tried, but dpkg-source doesn't want : dpkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file debian/files
[06:24] <pef> siretart: the upstram tarball is dirty
[06:24] <slomo> hmm... who is muszilla@users.sourceforge.net?
[06:24] <siretart> pef: can you try to hit upstream with something hard?
[06:25] <Nafallo> slomo: mail and ask :-)
[06:25] <pef> siretart: :D
[06:26] <slomo> Nafallo: hmm... too much work ;) it isn't that important... he can read the comment to his package in revu then ;)
[06:27] <pef> siretart: if I ask them to clean this, I think they will delay this cleanup to next release, in order to avoid confusions with differents tarball md5 of the same version
[06:27] <siretart> pef: yes, thats what I would expect :)
[06:34] <pef> slomo, siretart : can I have your vote again ? I've made a little change to the package
[06:35] <slomo> pef: done
[06:35] <siretart> pef: there are a lot of other packages in the queue before you ;)
[06:36] <siretart> I must admit that this lintian warning abou debian/rules makes me nervous
[06:37] <siretart> I'd rather rebuild the upstream tarball, I think..
[06:39] <slomo> and as you already have to recompress it because of bz2 it shouldn't be that problematic i think...
[06:40] <siretart> right
[06:40] <pef> deleting files from the upstream tarball like this is strange, no ?
[06:41] <siretart> it is sometimes necessary
[06:41] <siretart> mostly because of undistributable parts
[06:41] <Nafallo> yay! im-switch accepted
[06:41] <pef> siretart: have I to mention this somewhere ?
[06:42] <siretart> pef: see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-debianrules the part about the get-orig-source
[06:42] <siretart> pef: yes, in the changelog
[06:45] <slomo> hmm... does anybody know about a gtkhtml documentation?
[06:45] <pef> siretart: ok, will use this target
[06:51] <siretart> woah. what happened to bugs.debian.org?
[06:51] <Lathiat> facelift apparently
[06:52] <siretart> juck. looks lovely :)
[06:54] <pef> siretart: what happens ? no problem here
[06:54] <siretart> pef: I mean the look of the bug reports
[06:54] <Treenaks> siretart: whoa.. they CSS'ed it!
[06:54] <Treenaks> (I hope)
[06:55] <Treenaks> and they discovered header-filtering
[06:55] <siretart> header filtering is done for some time
[06:55] <Treenaks> siretart: like, a week maybe
[06:55] <siretart> http://bugs.debian.org/css/bugs.css
[06:56] <siretart> thats the css debian is using
[06:56] <Treenaks> Not rocket science
[06:56] <pef>  extraneous shit added by erinn
[06:56] <pef> huhu
[06:57] <Treenaks> so THAT's what debian-women is for *duck & run*
[06:59] <siretart> Lathiat: still here?
[06:59] <Lathiat> siretart: yep
[06:59] <siretart> Lathiat: I think the list on MOTUGLUTransition is quite out of date, many packages from that list have already been fixed
[07:00] <Lathiat> yeh
[07:00] <Lathiat> it hasnt been touched
[07:00] <Lathiat> for a while
[07:00] <Lathiat> because we were never sure
[07:00] <siretart> Lathiat: do you think we can update that list or should we drop it and handle that together with UnmetDeps?
[07:00] <Lathiat> umm
[07:00] <Lathiat> i'd be interested in specifically knocking off a heap of glu ones
[07:00] <Lathiat> so a list would be nice
[07:01] <siretart> Lathiat: ok. now that the dependencies are clear, could you please update that list, when you find some time?
[07:01] <Lathiat> ok
[07:01] <siretart> thanks
[07:02] <siretart> Lathiat: you arn't MOTU yet, are you?
[07:03] <Lathiat> siretart: nope
[07:04] <Lathiat> didnt really think i'd personally done enough yet to apply :)
[07:05] <siretart> Lathiat: if you need some uploads for GLU Transition, feel free to ping me
[07:05] <Lathiat> ok
[07:05] <Lathiat> what do you want them in
[07:05] <Lathiat> debdiff or sources?
[07:05] <siretart> depends. debdiffs are easier for me to review, when they are small enough
[07:05] <Lathiat> ok well
[07:06] <Lathiat> if its just deps
[07:06] <Lathiat> i'll give you a debdiff
[07:06] <siretart> exactly
[07:06] <Lathiat> much else i'll give sources
[07:06] <Lathiat> stick em all in a dir and you can go over em whenever :)
[07:06] <siretart> that'll be great
[07:07] <Lathiat> should i just put this list in
[07:07] <Lathiat> a oneliner
[07:07] <Lathiat> instead of a big table like last time?
[07:07] <Lathiat> its not that big now
[07:07] <Lathiat> excluding gcc4 issues
[07:07] <Lathiat> shoudlnt be much work
[07:07] <Lathiat> its liek 109
[07:09] <Lathiat> thats checking for xlibmesa-gl{u,}-dev
[07:16] <Lathiat> siretart: so those values are definitie
[07:16] <Lathiat> libgl1-xorg-dev | libgl-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev
[07:17] <siretart> Lathiat: I got confirmation from infinity a few hours before, with daniels listening
[07:17] <siretart> Lathiat: So I would take them definite
[07:17] <Lathiat> ok
[07:18] <Lathiat> what would a good changelog entry be?
[07:19] <siretart> 'adepted gl/glu dependencies for current xorg in breezy' should be quite clear, I think
[07:19] <pef> siretart: get-orig-source has to be used "by hand" ? like fakeroot debian/rules get-orig-source ?
[07:19] <Lathiat> Adapted GL/GLU dependencies for Xorg in breezy
[07:19] <Lathiat> good ?
[07:20] <siretart> pef: I understand debian policy, that this target is just a convinience target for users, so not even fakeroot should be required
[07:21] <pef> siretart: ok, so it's never used by dpkg-buildpackage or so
[07:22] <siretart> pef: nope. because it is optional
[07:23] <Lathiat> siretart: for thigns with no ubuntu version
[07:23] <Lathiat> ubuntu1 or build1?
[07:23] <Lathiat> ubuntu1 since we're changing deps?
[07:23] <Lathiat> and as such needs to be merged in future etc i assume
[07:24] <siretart> Lathiat: in doubt, always ubuntu1
[07:24] <siretart> Lathiat: build1 is quite a hack and only to be used if only debian/changelog is touched
[07:25] <Lathiat> ah ok
[07:34] <Lathiat> siretart: im working from the end backwards
[07:34] <Lathiat> siretart: if you want to work on them work from the start :)
[07:34] <siretart> Lathiat: ok :)
[07:39] <pef> have to go, bye !
[07:46] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm
[07:46] <Lathiat> is ubuntu1 > build1
[07:46] <Lathiat> i suppose it is
[07:46] <siretart> Lathiat: yepp.
[07:48] <Lathiat> poor laptops getting a workout :)
[07:48] <Lathiat> had like 4 pbuilders going at once. :)
[07:50] <bddebian> Lathiat: As far as I understand it, build1 versions will get ignored when trying to sync or merge with Debian.  ubuntuX versions will try to get merged.
[07:51] <Lathiat> xlibmesa-glu-dev | libglu1-mesa-dev | libglu-dev, xlibmesa-gl-dev | mesag-dev | libgl-dev
[07:51] <Lathiat> heh
[07:51] <Lathiat> thats what this package has now
[07:52] <Lathiat> almost sane
[07:53] <Lathiat> ooh yeh
[07:54] <Lathiat> this package is broken
[07:54] <Lathiat> make -C source clean
[07:54] <Lathiat> ...
[07:54] <Lathiat> Please enter the name of the directory where libtiff.a can be found:
[07:55] <Treenaks> Lathiat: interactive configure!??!
[07:55] <Lathiat> Treenaks: in the clean stage!
[07:55] <Treenaks> *shudder*
[07:55] <Lathiat> thats 'viewmol
[07:55] <Lathiat> '
[07:56] <Lathiat> i figure its libtiff handling needs to be fixed
[08:01] <Lathiat> my laptop hard drive isnt appreciating this. :)
[08:22] <Nafallo> mbreit: fityk uploaded
[08:26] <\sh> welcome to the world of toshiba r200 :)
[08:26] <\sh> it
[08:26] <Treenaks> \sh: it works? :)
[08:26] <mbreit> Nafallo: thanks!
[08:26] <Lathiat> hrm hope i get something cool liek an r200
[08:26] <\sh> yes
[08:26] <\sh> took me half a day
[08:27] <\sh> and a lot of tricks
[08:28] <\sh> replacing the kernel of colony 2, tweeking the initrd of colony 2
[08:28] <\sh> but in the end
[08:28] <\sh> it works...with a special driver for this bloody NIC
[08:28] <Lathiat> heh
[08:28] <Lathiat> yeh
[08:28] <Lathiat> davyd found that too
[08:29] <\sh> Lathiat: problem is, it doesn
[08:29] <\sh> doesn't have a cdrom or somethine..so i need to use my nc6000 to play network install server
[08:29] <Lathiat> ah
[08:31] <\sh> Lathiat: that was the problem at all to install this nifty bitch :)
[08:32] <ogra> hmm, had no usb CDrom around ?
[08:32] <\sh> no
[08:33] <\sh> and booting from usb hd wasn't possible at this time..
[08:33] <\sh> so we should bring this driver into 2.6.12 for breezy...it doesn
[08:33] <\sh> 't break anything
[08:33] <ogra> yep
[08:33] <\sh> and i have to play with this funny uk keyboard ;)
[08:34] <\sh> it's so damn small...like it..love it...pet it
[08:34] <\sh> but...
[08:34] <\sh> another pitfall
[08:34] <ogra> heh and you complained about the size at the start
[08:34] <\sh> i had to remove the windows installation at all...cause the resizing didn
[08:34] <\sh> 't work
[08:34] <ogra> meh
[08:35] <ogra> did you tell Kamion ?
[08:35] <\sh> now I can't reinstall windows without a usb dvd
[08:35] <ogra> dvd ?
[08:35] <\sh> yes...recovery dvd
[08:35] <ogra> how silly
[08:35] <\sh> with windows xp prof, office
[08:35] <\sh> etc.
[08:35] <\sh> but I tested the wifi, irda, bluetooth and all...even the fingerprint sensor
[08:35] <\sh> so on windows everything is working
[08:36] <\sh> on breezy/linux...wifi should work with madwifi drivers...and bluetooth i have to check, sd card reader won't work
[08:36] <\sh> irda will work
[08:36] <ogra> sd wont ?
[08:36] <\sh> graphics card can run with vesa or i810
[08:36] <ogra> why that ?
[08:37] <\sh> no..same problem as with the hps
[08:37] <ogra> hmm, bad....
[08:37] <\sh> no specs no drivers
[08:37] <Lathiat> its not that
[08:37] <ogra> acer puts  pcmcia reader to their laptops... works out of the box
[08:37] <Lathiat> its that the sd card assoc specs are closed
[08:37] <Lathiat> altho someone made an ipaq driver
[08:37] <Lathiat> no idea on the legality
[08:37] <\sh> na..it should be mounted as scsi
[08:38] <\sh> like the external ones...it
[08:38] <ogra> mine hets munted as hde
[08:38] <\sh> 's normally a minipci card (sort of)
[08:38] <ogra> gets even
[08:38] <\sh> ogra: external or internal?
[08:38] <ogra> acer pcmcia reader
[08:38] <\sh> ogra: well...just like the usb stuff
[08:38] <\sh> ah...ok
[08:38] <ogra> its a pcmcia adapter.....
[08:38] <\sh> but i will get more infos
[08:39] <\sh> sound is working out of the box
[08:39] <Lathiat> \sh: so you cant get windows on?
[08:39] <Lathiat> that seems a bit silly
[08:39] <\sh> no..not without a usb dvdrom
[08:39] <Lathiat> ah
[08:39] <Lathiat> you could install off a usb dvdrom?
[08:39] <Lathiat> neat
[08:39] <\sh> yepp...usb stick, usb hd, usb dvd
[08:39] <\sh> same for hp
[08:39] <Lathiat> ah
[08:39] <Lathiat> cool
[08:40] <\sh> anyways...actually it
[08:40] <\sh> 's running
[08:40] <\sh> ok..guys...this little bitchy thingy is updating to actual breezy and I will go to my girl ;)
[08:41] <ogra> have fun
[08:41] <\sh> ogra: later more
[08:42] <ogra> :) just enjoy your evening :)
[08:42] <\sh> hehe
[08:42] <\sh> refueling is good >()
[08:42] <ogra> yep
[09:36] <janimo> hey all
[09:57] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:57] <Nafallo> sistpoty: morning
[09:57] <sistpoty> Nafallo: good evening ;)
[09:58] <Nafallo> sistpoty: baah
[09:58] <Nafallo> sistpoty: it's always morning :-)
[09:58] <sistpoty> hm... good point =)
[10:11] <siretart> Lathiat: still there?
[10:11] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[10:19] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[10:26] <siretart> sistpoty: are the changes on the Makefile.in files on purpose? (packages nvclock)?
[10:27] <sistpoty> siretart: no, they have already been there
[10:27] <siretart> sistpoty: ah i see.
[10:27] <siretart> having a closer look
[10:27] <sistpoty> :)
[10:27] <sistpoty> i think i got dpatch now working as it should *g*
[10:28] <siretart> :)
[10:28] <sistpoty> don't look at the debdiff, i apt-get sourced fresh again *g*
[10:31] <siretart> dh_movefiles: debian/tmp/usr/bin/nvclock_gtk not found (supposed to put it in nvclock-gtk)
[10:31] <siretart> sh: /tmp/buildd/nvclock-0.7/debian/movelist: No such file or directory
[10:31] <siretart> hm. doesn't build in my pbuilder :(
[10:32] <sistpoty> I'll recheck...
[10:33] <sistpoty> lol: in my pbuilder: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg received a segmentation fault.
[10:34] <siretart> whops
[10:34] <sistpoty> but it's still going
[10:34] <sistpoty> grr... still didn't get dpatch right
[10:35] <sistpoty> i'll try again ;)
[11:06] <Burgundavia> whiprush, pong
[11:08] <siretart> does anyone here know how network-manager is supposed to work?
[11:10] <Nafallo> siretart: not entirely, no :-)
[11:14] <Burgundavia> siretart, pure crack, all the way through
[11:15] <siretart> Burgundavia: well, I just upgraded to breezy and want to see the crack :)
[11:15] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:16] <Burgundavia> add nm-applet to your session
[11:16] <Burgundavia> then restart
[11:16] <tseng> Burgundavia: nm-applet actually starts for you?
[11:17] <Burgundavia> tseng, not currently. I removed network manger, but it did start with the old version
[11:18] <siretart> nothing happened :(
[11:18] <Nafallo> tseng: latest-thom works for me, except that nm-applet hangs now and then ;-)
[11:19] <Nafallo> first time wizard?
[11:19] <tseng> Nafallo: someone clobbered thoms
[11:19] <tseng> do you have the deb?
[11:20] <Nafallo> tseng: no, sorry. just downgraded from what I had in the archive at the time.
[11:20] <Burgundavia> Nafallo, when you first turn on an OEM machine
[11:21] <Nafallo> Burgundavia: hmm, you mean they have that stuff on the latest daily-install now? ;-)
[11:21] <Burgundavia> indeed
[11:22] <siretart> did you also had to invoke gst-register-0.8 manually to revive the volume applet?
[11:33] <siretart> sistpoty: uploaded
[11:34] <sistpoty> :)
[11:34] <siretart> sistpoty: btw, you don't need to state 'non maintainer upload'
[11:34] <sistpoty> siretart: ack
[11:34] <siretart> sistpoty: in ubuntu, we don't really have the concept of maintainers like in debian. we mostly do what debian calls 'NMU'
[11:35] <sistpoty> good point
[11:39] <sistpoty> hm... i just tried to build moagg, which makes no trouble, however it depends to moagg-data (= ${Source-Version})
[11:40] <sistpoty> should moagg-data be rebuilt for this or the dependency in moagg loosened?
[11:41] <siretart>  isn't it the same source package?
[11:41] <sistpoty> nope
[11:41] <sistpoty> 2 different source packages
[11:41] <siretart> gnarf
[11:42] <siretart> ah, I think I understand. the maintainer wanted to avoid circulat builddeps.. hm
[11:43] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm not sure if its worth the efford of diverging more from debian as really needed
[11:44] <sistpoty> siretart: so you suggest to upload moagg-data with 0.18-1build2 (would be the new version for moagg)
[11:44] <sistpoty> ?
[11:45] <siretart> sistpoty: yes.
[11:45] <sistpoty> should i put this to revu?
[11:45] <sistpoty> or do you want to handle this directly ;)
[11:45] <siretart> if the debdiff is small enough, place the debdiff somewhere else
[11:46] <sistpoty> ok, i
[11:46] <sistpoty> + ll do so ;)
[11:55] <siretart> yay!
[11:55] <siretart> London Law is in the gnome app tool :)
[11:55] <sistpoty> cool :)
[11:58] <sistpoty> just another stupid question: should it be "debdiff old new" or "debdiff new old"
[11:58] <siretart> ah. thats based on the .desktop file
[11:58] <siretart> old new
[11:58] <Mithrandir> siretart: old new
[11:58] <sistpoty> thanks
[11:58] <Mithrandir> siretart: anything else gives you a reversed diff. :-)
[11:59] <siretart> and it's best if you could encode both versions in the filename
[11:59] <siretart> Mithrandir: I know :)
[11:59] <sistpoty> i think siretart is the first si-completion ;)
[11:59] <siretart> hehe
[12:00] <Burgundavia> siretart, sistpoty one of you must change your nick. They are both the same length with the first 3 letters the same
[12:00] <sistpoty> hm... i think i should first test moagg... it said something about 2d shooter :)
[12:00] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:00] <Burgundavia> s/3/2
[12:01] <siretart> Burgundavia: that are our logins at university
[12:01] <Burgundavia> siretart, ah
[12:01] <Mithrandir> use pwgen to get a new nick. :-P
[12:01] <siretart> lol
[12:01] <Mithrandir> I use it for naming hosts, works fine