[12:36] <jpatrick> Generation complete. Now setting up all debs
[01:19] <Riddell> upstream is asking for kmymoney2 0.8 to be packaged if anyone is looking for somehting to do
[11:47] <pef> morning
[11:50] <jpatrick> morning
[02:54] <jpatrick> wb
[04:00] <hunger> What is katapult?
[04:00] <hunger> ... that I am supposed to w00t for (whatever that is).
[04:04] <jpatrick> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=21149
[04:14] <tvo> hunger: "a plugin driven utility that can launch applications, bookmarks, or anything else that you can find a plugin for."
[04:33] <jpatrick> Just installed it
[04:35] <jpatrick> how does it work?
[04:45] <tvo> jpatrick: alt+space then type the name of the app/bookmark you want, eg. alt+space konq enter starts konqueror
[04:45] <tvo> if it's running that is
[04:45] <tvo> there is a :/ in the systray if it's running
[04:52] <jpatrick> I don't see it
[04:52] <jpatrick> :/
[05:11] <jpatrick> Riddell - is someone working on the KMoney 0.8 ?
[05:13] <jpatrick> KMyMoney2*
[05:40] <pef> bye
[07:14] <jpatrick> should I do apt-get upgrade for breezy?
[07:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: don't think anyone is working on it, please do
[07:20] <Riddell> base it on whatever is already there for old kmymoney2
[07:20] <Riddell> jpatrick: I would  apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <jpatrick> I tried apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:27] <jpatrick> failed
[07:27] <jpatrick> depends on packages that weren't going to be installed
[07:28] <jpatrick> I'm upgrading then installed those kept back
[09:08] <seth_k> jpatrick, I tried it once but it crapped out on compile with a cryptic error
[09:16] <jpatrick> compiled what?
[09:17] <jpatrick> KMyMoney2 0.8?
[09:17] <jpatrick> It works here
[09:17] <jpatrick> all I want to know is why kubuntu-desktop depends on openoffice
[09:32] <jpatrick> hello again
[09:37] <seth_k> okay, glad it worked for you. I'll bet I tried it back when KDE stuff wasn't compiling, can't remember now
[09:38] <jpatrick> KMyMoney is even better now
[09:39] <seth_k> I love KDE apps so much. I spent yesterday migrating my data over to the Kontact suite (KOrganizer, KAddressBook, etc)
[09:39] <jpatrick> Yeah
[09:40] <seth_k> have a link to your KMyMoney2 deb for trying it out?
[09:40] <seth_k> or is it not ready yet
[09:40] <jpatrick> I love KDevelop(3), Kontact, KOffice, amaroK etc
[09:40] <jpatrick> I'm still reading the Debian Manual
[09:40] <jpatrick> :-/
[09:41] <seth_k> ohhh, so you haven't updated the debian package yet?
[09:41] <seth_k> gotcha
[09:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: seen this?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuPackagingGuide
[09:41] <Riddell> mind and update it with your experiences :)
[09:42] <jpatrick> I've seen that
[09:42] <jpatrick> I read the IBM page and the Debian manual
[09:44] <jpatrick> just trying to get breezy to work right now
[09:44] <jpatrick> which I'm failing at
[09:45] <jpatrick> :(
[09:50] <seth_k> what doesn't work?
[09:50] <Riddell> jpatrick: use a chroot
[09:50] <Riddell> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot
[09:50] <jpatrick> on what?
[09:50] <Riddell> on anything
[09:51] <jpatrick> omg
[09:52] <jpatrick> klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_http'
[09:53] <jpatrick> Half the systems upgrade the other isn't :-/
[09:55] <Riddell> Verwilst: you want to make SVN debs of KDE?
[09:55] <Verwilst> yeah, would be nice
[09:55] <Riddell> Verwilst: making .debs of 3.5 alpha would be a cool start
[09:59] <Verwilst> Riddell: true :)
[09:59] <Verwilst> Riddell: who made the 3.4.2 debs?
[10:00] <jpatrick> this upgrades going nowhere :(
[10:03] <Riddell> Verwilst: me
[10:03] <Riddell> but I'm awa next week
[10:03] <Verwilst> ah
[10:03] <Verwilst> you have scripts or something?
[10:03] <Verwilst> docs? ...
[10:04] <Riddell> nope, nope
[10:04] <Verwilst> heh
[10:04] <Riddell> get the sources
[10:04] <Riddell> unbzip2 them, remove the debian directory, make .orig.tar.gz files
[10:04] <Riddell> some of the packages are built using unsermake in which case I run unsermake -f admin/Makefile.common before making the .orig
[10:05] <Verwilst> yes
[10:05] <Riddell> then grab the prvious version (which would be the hoary 3.4.2 debs if you're making 3.5)
[10:05] <Riddell> get the debian directory out of them and put it in the new sources
[10:05] <Riddell> update the changelog (dch -i)
[10:05] <Riddell> debuild
[10:05] <Riddell> wait, hope, cross finger
[10:05] <Riddell> fingers
[10:05] <Verwilst> hehe
[10:06] <Riddell> if it compiles then run dh_install --sourcedir=debian/tmp --list-missing  to see if there's any new files needing added
[10:06] <Verwilst> but
[10:06] <Verwilst> ah
[10:06] <Riddell> add those files to the appropriate debian/*install file
[10:06] <Verwilst> that was my next question ;)
[10:06] <Verwilst> didn't make a lot of debs yet
[10:06] <Riddell> debuild -nc  to rebuild without cleanging the whole sources and building from scratch
[10:06] <Verwilst> mostly kernel stuffs
[10:06] <Riddell> and that's it
[10:06] <Verwilst> but i'm a Linux R&D engineer for a hosting company
[10:07] <Riddell> easy peasy
[10:07] <Verwilst> so i work with linux 8 hours a day ;)
[10:07] <Verwilst> and at home too
[10:07] <Verwilst> and i've been a gentoo dev for 3 years ;)
[10:07] <Verwilst> so i think i'm up to it ;)
[10:07] <Riddell> oh there's the patches in debian/patches/common too, you should apply those by hand first and run unsermake -f admin/Makefile.common
[10:07] <Riddell> then unapply them
[10:08] <Riddell> they'll need to be updated for 3.5 and add 08_visibility
[10:08] <Verwilst> apply em, run unsermake and then unapply?
[10:08] <Riddell> yes
[10:09] <Verwilst> why unapply?
[10:10] <Riddell> they need to be applied for rebuilding the Makefile.common stage
[10:10] <Riddell> then unapplied or the patching system will get confused during build (it'll apply them again)
[10:10] <Riddell> http://dev.kubuntu.org.uk/~jr/kubuntu/08_disable-visibility.diff needs to be added
[10:12] <Riddell> some of the debian/patches/common patches are more important than others, if it doesn't apply you can probably delete it
[10:12] <Riddell> you also need to make sure the debian/patches diffs apply, they may not
[10:16] <Riddell> there's an order too, arts, kdelibs, kdebase
[10:17] <Riddell> you should update the build depends of the kdelibs to the latest arts, and all the others to the latest kdelibs
[10:22] <Verwilst> what about the versioning
[10:23] <Riddell> 3.4.90-0ubuntu0hoary1
[10:23] <Verwilst> fieuw
[10:23] <Verwilst> :p
[10:24] <Verwilst> and if i redo it
[10:24] <Verwilst> 0ubuntu0hoary2?
[10:24] <Riddell> yep
[10:24] <Verwilst> what do the 0's represent
[10:24] <Verwilst> ?
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[10:25] <Verwilst> hm
[10:25] <Verwilst> when do they get upped?
[10:26] <Riddell> debian up theirs when they upload a version, ubuntu ups theirs when we upload a version to breezy
[10:26] <Riddell> at some point ubuntu syncs with debian and gains the debian number (and resets the ubuntu number to 1)
[10:30] <Verwilst> aah
[10:30] <Verwilst> ciik
[10:30] <Verwilst> cool*
[10:32] <Verwilst> maybe later we can do an http://edge.kubuntu.org ;)
[10:32] <Verwilst> where the latest kubuntu snapshot debs are :d
[10:33] <Verwilst> but ok, i need to practice my deb skills with 3.5 alpha1 first
[10:35] <Riddell> grumpy groundhog should do it all automatically.  when it gets made
[10:35] <Verwilst> grumpy groundhog?
[10:36] <Riddell> makes .debs out of SVN daily.  still just an idea
[10:38] <Verwilst> oh
[10:38] <Verwilst> so maybe i could implement good ol' grumpy :d
[10:38] <Verwilst> hehe
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