=== mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2D6DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu === nikkia laughs at azureus' stupidity, 400KB/s and its marked the torrent blue === mindspin [n=mindspin@p54B2D6DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #kubuntu ["Konversation] [12:17] How can I get java for firefox in linux? [12:17] Will an RPM work? [12:18] You can get java from ubuntu backports, hoary-extras/restricted === wincide [n=parasite@114.Red-81-35-149.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:18] pv_, uh... [12:18] pv_, so apt-get install java? [12:19] apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5 [12:19] great thanks! [12:20] actually sun-j2re1.5 would also work, if you do not plan to develop java apps [12:20] pv, i always recommend the dsk [12:20] hmm [12:20] sdk [12:20] that package doesnt exist :/ [12:20] you never know when something is going to depend on running 'javac' === ilba7r [n=ilba7r@d141-64-4.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:21] apt-get install sun-j2sdk1.5 - E: Couldn't find package sun-j2sdk1. [12:21] You have to add the line "deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted" to /etc/apt/sources.list [12:21] how to kill a an application using its name not the id [12:21] ilba7r: killall [12:21] ilba7r, pkill [12:21] i wana kill gnome-panel [12:22] luminerd, and run "apt-get update" after that [12:22] luminerd? [12:22] hmm === setite [n=setite@ip68-108-161-209.lv.lv.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:22] emacs won't work as root :/ [12:23] who knows the name of the winamp preset file... [12:23] luminerd: use kdesu [12:23] luminerd: sudo'ing gui apps rarely works [12:23] funny, for me emacs works well [12:23] kill sudo! sudo sux0rs [12:23] lol [12:23] I did sudo passwd or w/e [12:23] now I'm su'd [12:23] luminerd: then you're on your own [12:24] use vi ;) [12:24] lame [12:24] none work [12:24] oh wonderful [12:24] VI does! [12:24] I hate VI! [12:24] lol' [12:24] and no, emacs won't run from su [12:24] whyn't? [12:25] no, you see that "su" effectively logs you in as root and may set xauth settings as in console mode -> no X access. [12:25] pv, not just that... [12:25] nikkia, mainly that I believe. [12:25] pv, but emacs uses your UID to access unix domain sockets in /tmp [12:25] and things get real nasty real quick [12:25] setting XAUTHORITY="/home/user/.Xauthority" should fix X apps [12:25] which is one of the things that kdesu does properly [12:26] when in slackware, emacs works fine whilst you are su'd. [12:26] luminerd: if its the console version of emacs, sure [12:26] false. [12:26] Emacs gui works fine. [12:26] luminerd: then slackware is shipping their X setup to be insecure by default, which doesn't surprise me [12:27] they used to set it so *any* user could connect to the local X server [12:27] I still claim that this is due to xauth settings. [12:27] pv, it probably is [12:27] pv, but... [12:27] pv, ubuntu's emacs include several non-standard elisp packages as standard, some of them use unix domain sockets in /tmp [12:27] I don't think the X server even knows whether an application is root or not, it just asks it to send a magic cookie. [12:27] nikkia, thanks for taking a shit on my profession. now enjoy the banishment of ignored-land. [12:28] luminerd: watch your language, please [12:29] (Frankly, I do not see a reason for ignore now.) [12:29] pv_, what do you mean? [12:29] and also how can I change the sudo password? [12:30] sudo password should be the same as that of your user account. [12:30] so passwd [12:30] pv_, also, thanks for that command. It's working now...but curious, will I have to do anything else for it to work in Firefox? [12:30] pv_, hmm, I don't want it the same as my user account... [12:30] that defeats all purposes of even having password protection [12:30] pv, thats quite funny, if luminerd wasn't ignoring me, i could tell him how to change that :P [12:30] Errm, I meant the same as the password that you use for your own account. [12:30] if the user using these boxen knows the password, I'll have 20 screwed up boxen to fix. [12:31] pv_, I only have one account on these: caller [12:31] I want to change the password for sudo, but not caller. === Blissex|away is now known as Blissex [12:32] There is a way to force sudo to ask for root password, see "man sudoers" [12:32] thanks [12:34] pv_, that's quite a large file, mind explaining shortly? [12:34] the option is called "rootpw", but I do not remember the format of /etc/sudoers anymore :) [12:34] pv, there's another option too, that makes sudo behave like su for passwords [12:36] ah, ok thanks [12:36] ok, nikkia. I haven't tweaked sudo much. [12:36] or enough to remember all the options ;) === luminerd can't see what nikkia's saying [12:37] pv, there are basically 4 password modes for sudo [12:37] 1) ask the user's password, 2) ask root's password, 3) ask the sudo target's password, and 4) ask a specified user's password [12:38] pv, and since the mode is set per rule, you have a LOT of flexibility [12:38] ok, quite enough room at least to shot yourself in the foot [12:39] pv, you could, for example, set it to ask for your own password when running a common util, like, say, ifconfig, mount, etc, root's password for a root shell, and another user (say, editor) to edit files as root [12:41] i believe you can even lock down which files can be edited, differently [12:41] pv_, will I have to do anything else for it to work in Firefox? [12:42] so it would make sense to lock down /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow real tight, but relax editing /etc/hosts.deny or so [12:43] luminerd, perhaps ln -fs /usr/lib/j2sdk1.5-sun/jre/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins/libjavaplugin.so === _john [n=john@ool-44c63ce7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:43] <_john> hey guys, how do i make it so i can have a shared file on my network in linux? [12:43] <_john> like the windows Shared Documents [12:44] Right-click -> properties -> file sharing [12:44] pv, hmm, thats interesting, you can even lock down sudo so that it only allows LDAP authenticated users [12:44] <_john> nice [12:45] pv_, thanks [12:45] pv, another nice feature, is that if you disable su, and enable NOEXEC mode for sudo, then all programs run as root are run with the NX bit set [12:46] ah, no, sorry, it prevents system calls to exec [12:46] documentation is a bit badly worded there :) === rubikcube [n=rubikcub@dsl-084-059-144-086.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu [12:48] nikkia, can I give root access to X? [12:48] I thought you ignored her [12:48] * pv_ === foobrain [n=jonas@c-a201e055.014-47-6f736412.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #kubuntu === foobrain is now known as fatbrain === pussfeller [n=todd@t1-rtc-woodlawn.rtcol.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:50] pv_, still here? === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu [12:52] what do you mean by "root access to X" ? [12:53] login as root or run programs as root from su [12:53] yea [12:53] but [12:53] is there a way to give su the ability to run emac [12:53] try "export XAUTHORITY=/home/caller/.Xauthority; emacs" [12:55] but -> === pv_ [n=pv@jt11-57-1.tky.hut.fi] has left #kubuntu [] === apokaway is now known as apokryphos [12:57] where do mozilla plugins go === luminerd unignores nikkia [12:57] luminerd: and that's likely to help how? you think i'm going to help you now ? [12:58] nikkia, no, I just thought you might be done trying to personally attack me. are you? [12:58] lala la [12:58] lol [12:58] luminerd: given that i never 'personally attacked you', i dunno wtf you're on about [12:58] nikkia luminerd: then slackware is shipping their X setup to be insecure by default, which doesn't surprise me [12:59] nikkia: tut tut... personal attacks! Prison next ;-) [12:59] I don't appreciate that. [12:59] I don't get it [12:59] luminerd: if you think that's a personal attack, you should study those two words [12:59] luminerd: why? are you 'slackware' ? [12:59] go into ##slackware -- they will NEVER attack Kubuntu. We believe in Linux, not just one distro of it. [01:00] hahaha [01:00] :? [01:01] wow. I'm an idiot [01:01] why was I so offended by that? [01:01] luminerd: well if you think that all Linuxs are the same, then study Debian and then check out Linspire [01:01] That's what I was thinking [01:01] I've said similar things regarding Kubuntu... [01:01] nikkia, ok, I'm sorry :( [01:01] apokryphos, didn't say that. [01:01] apokryphos, I still believe that we Linux users should stick together. I do not consider Linspire Linux. [01:01] luminerd: so if they have differences, does it not follow that some will be better than others? [01:02] luminerd: well there's a mistake; what's your definition of Linux? [01:02] apokryphos, no, they are all useful in different situations. [01:02] Wow, quite a conversation I've walked into. Hi, by the way [01:02] luminerd: so they have different strengths [01:03] apokryphos, I know it is technically linux. but they don't keep as part of the community, they don't have good support, they have ugly defaults in their kde, they screw up their kernel, they don't go open source which pretty much defeats the purpose of linux, and they all around suck. [01:03] roguejedix_, 'lo [01:03] apokryphos: what is scary, is 'Linux users' would cover Amithlon users too :) [01:03] anyway nikkia I'm very sorry I got so offended...looking back I feel like a fool [01:03] luminerd: there you go, that's your opinion [01:03] s/feel like/am [01:03] luminerd: now why you think nikkia can't have one about another distro is beyond me === roguejedix_ is now known as Rogue_Jedi_X [01:04] apokryphos: one i ran for nigh on 8 years [01:04] apokryphos, most of that's facts. my opinion is that any remotely reasonable form of linux should be considered linux, distro wars are pointless. [01:04] heh [01:04] Slackware, however, is the purest form of Linux. [01:04] luminerd: you'll have to forgive me if I think nikkia knows more than you in this area :) [01:04] It has nothing to bloat it, nothing to make it user friendly. [01:04] hehe [01:04] It's the perfect distro for learning and the most secure of them all [01:05] Too many points to even attack... [01:05] apokryphos, no, these are opinions we are discussing, no one can "know more" about them...we all know 100% of our own opinions. [01:05] and /me feels in such a good mood -- just booked holiday, woo [01:05] anyway I'm not here to do this [01:05] luminerd: there's absolutely no chance its the 'most secure of all', and i'm not bashing it with that [01:05] luminerd: errrrm, I was talking about the subject matter, not opinions. [01:06] I'm sorry that I was such an idiot back then, I'm done discussing distros, and I'd like to know the path to my mozilla [01:06] but, for example, they still eschew PAM, and their acceptance of shadow passwords wasn't all that long ago [01:06] There's a difference between an "opinion", and a substantiated proposition [01:07] ok, I'm very done with this topic of conversation. shall I seek my answer elsewhere? [01:07] #ubuntu is a better place for that question, in theory, anyhow. But mozilla plugins go in ~/.mozilla [01:07] apokryphos, thanks :D [01:08] unfortunately I'm banned from #ubuntu [01:08] I have no idea why [01:08] lol === apokryphos does [01:08] <_StarScream> luminerd: i have an idea [01:08] ? [01:08] please enlighten me! [01:08] <_StarScream> luminerd: you harrass ##slackware too [01:08] <_StarScream> or are you banned from there now as well? [01:08] _StarScream, lol, no...I never had problems in ##slacwkare [01:08] *slackware [01:09] apokryphos, by the way, is .mozilla also the place for plugins for firefox? [01:09] local ones, yes [01:09] luminerd: check what's in that directory [01:09] apokryphos, ah, perfect, so they go in .mozilla/firefox? === nikkia could make a fair guess too [01:10] if i'd been in a lousier mood, you might have been banned here, although i'd probably have got in trouble with Riddell for it :) [01:11] luminerd: you have to be careful, it depends on WHICH firefox you run [01:11] luminerd: no, in the plugins/ directory, though it would probably search in firefox/ too (not sure). [01:11] there are 2 firefox builds on [k] ubuntu [01:11] luminerd: my firefox plugins are in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins [01:11] nikkia, which umm, hmm, not sure [01:11] one uses .mozilla/firefox, the other uses .firefox [01:11] nikkia, I got mozilla-firefox [01:11] luminerd: that one uses .mozilla/firefox, i believe [01:11] oh yea [01:11] must be since I don't have a .firefox :P [01:11] nikkia: Which one uses .firefox then? [01:11] Rogue_Jedi_X, I see...hmmm [01:11] Rogue_Jedi_X: backport's 'firefox' [01:12] Ah, thanks [01:12] Rogue_Jedi_X: i think, mudding the waters more, backports has a mozilla-firefox too [01:12] ok so should they go in .mozilla/firefox or .mozilla/plugins (which does not currently exist) [01:12] luminerd: its a bit more complicated than that [01:13] Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): [01:13] that's what the flash plugin says [01:13] Interesting. Three firefoxes. I think I have backports commented out anyway [01:13] .mozilla/plugins then [01:13] luminerd: you have to find the 'plugins' directory below your profile, to make them unique to firefox, i don't honestly know if .mozilla/plugins is a 'local, global between mozilla/firefox' directory, but if apokryphos says it is, i'll trust his word :) === troglodyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:14] global plugins appear to be in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins here [01:14] thoreauputic: global ones are, yes [01:14] nikkia, so uh...I make the directory or? [01:14] Same here [01:15] thoreauputic: they can also be in /usr/lib/firefox/plugins too :) [01:15] nikkia: ah yes :) [01:15] thoreauputic: again, its the difference between a firefox plugin, and a mozilla/firefox plugin [01:15] luminerd: do you not have a ~/.mozilla/plugins ? Well, if you don't, create it. [01:15] luminerd: Just point it to $HOME/.mozilla [01:15] apokryphos, no, no /plugins.. :/ [01:16] Rogue_Jedi_X, oh, ok cool [01:16] thanks [01:16] luminerd: well, then create it [01:16] I think it makes the directory on its own if there isn't any [01:16] nikkia: one more reson for eschewing the use of backports... [01:16] *reason [01:16] once it's done you'll have a flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so [01:16] lol [01:16] i believe Rogue_Jedi_X is correct, its asking for the parent directory of the plugin directory [01:16] WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. [01:16] luminerd: you didn't make the directory [01:16] ok [01:16] thoreauputic: they do do some silly things, but on the other hand, there's useful stuff in there... [01:17] luminerd: mkdir ~/.mozilla/plugins [01:17] I was wrong. harikiri time [01:17] nikkia: true I guess - just nothing I need (so far) [01:17] Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /home/caller/.mozilla/plugins == WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. === [Surge] [n=[Surge] @tpr-ip-nas-1-p23.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #kubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:17] apokryphos, I did [01:17] thanks [01:17] luminerd: what *are* you doing? [01:17] luminerd: it wants the 'mozilla' directory, not the plugins directory [01:17] luminerd: ie, try /home/caller/.mozilla [01:17] apokryphos, just trying to get flash, nothin more lol [01:18] nikkia, tried that too [01:18] nikkia, same [01:18] I'll put it in global === dooglio [n=doug@adsl-216-102-106-223.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:18] luminerd: A dumb question: does that directory even exist? [01:18] luminerd: it might not install properly to a personal profile then *shrug* you might have to use /usr/lib/firefox or /usr/lib/mozilla [01:18] luminerd: why are you installing it like that anyway? [01:18] Rogue_Jedi_X, yea, it does [01:18] apokryphos: because you told him to :P [01:18] luminerd: you can -- and should -- get it from the repos [01:19] nikkia, which/what? [01:19] apokryphos: oh, i see what you mean :) [01:19] apokryphos, repos? [01:19] LOL [01:19] ok what's the pkg name [01:19] !info flashplayer-mozilla [01:19] flashplayer-mozilla: (Macromedia Flash Player), section multiverse/web, is optional. Version: 7.0.25-0.0 (hoary), Packaged size: 956 kB, Installed size: 2136 kB [01:19] thanks! [01:19] nikkia: did you see BigBrother this year? :P [01:19] apokryphos: nope, not one second of it, i'm quite proud [01:20] Isn't that some reality show? [01:20] well that sure as crap makes it easier [01:20] nikkia: you should be ;-) [01:20] apokryphos: i even managed not to hear any of their names [01:20] nikkia: Anthony won [01:20] apokryphos: or even know *anything* about it [01:20] you have now :P [01:20] apokryphos: means nothing to me [01:20] nikkia: I've never got into it before, but did this time (was reasonably enthralling at first). Got lame near the end, but still quite addcited [01:20] OMG [01:21] nikkia: mostly just put in arrogant people, of course. [01:21] apokryphos: yeah, i was like that with it last year, thats why i didn't watch it this year [01:21] some guy's using IE to view MYSPACE on a WINDOWS computer in the office!!!!! uururutgh! [01:21] nikkia: Victor! [01:21] apokryphos: you'll probably find that you can't bear it next year :) [01:21] hopefully [01:21] it wastes a lot of time [01:21] but makes for good conversation at times. Debates, too. :P [01:21] apokryphos: you could say that about the whole of C4/E4 :) [01:21] Pretty sad though [01:22] reality-TV is "bigger", really, than most other stuff like that. [01:22] Have any of you seen the Windows Vista beta screenshots? Looks like another facelift to me [01:22] I actually don't watch that much at all anymore. Watched the final today though; and watched many BB episodes. Hilarious at first. [01:22] apokryphos: i quite enjoyed the BBCs reality shows around 2000-2001 [01:22] Rogue_Jedi_X: yeah, it's improved significantly lately [01:22] nikkia: when they were fresh n' new [01:23] Improved? How? [01:23] apokryphos: ie, that one where they were on the island in the shetlands, and paddington green [01:23] heh [01:23] nikkia: who was your favourite from last series? [01:23] Rogue_Jedi_X: check out the screenies [01:23] apokryphos: tbh, i didn't really attach to any of them, i found them all irritating, but in an amusing way (at first) [01:23] Rogue_Jedi_X: iCandy-wise, I mean. Earlier screenshots looked just like a blue XP [01:24] apokryphos: they've made it look like a black XP now :P [01:24] Oh, that. Yeah, that's true. Though I think the close button is waaaaay to wide [01:24] nikkia: Yeah. I didn't watch it that much; remember liking VIctor most of the time (hating him at others), and found it a disgrace that Nadia won. :| [01:24] Rogue_Jedi_X: effective though, apparently. New Plastik Window-dec for kde 3.5 is a lot bigger [01:24] apokryphos: i couldn't bear victor, but then, thats the woman's perspective for you :) [01:25] *checks* [01:25] nikkia: he's the classic character for teenagers to just keep laughing at. Too funny. [01:25] Rogue_Jedi_X: though of course it's completely customizable [01:26] No doubt. And since when does KDE-look.ord have a KDE 4.0 section? [01:26] since yesterday [01:26] nikkia: anyhow, this year unfortunately the only character I really liked was voted out about half-way through [01:27] jpatrick: Really? Only beta, I assume? [01:27] Of course [01:27] The KDE 4 section poped up yesterday [01:27] weird that they should put it in more than a year than it's expected to come out :) [01:28] apokryphos: that one with the celebs in the mansion that Ch4 had a while ago was mildly amusing too, if only because if you watched it enough, you realised it was all completely faked [01:28] http://dot.kde.com [01:28] nikkia: celebs..mansion.. wha? Must've missed it. I don't really watch any others... there's far too many these days [01:28] apokryphos: it was about oh 16 months ago... === _john [n=john@ool-44c63ce7.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:29] apokryphos: james love hewitt was in it [01:29] jpatrick: dot.kde.org [01:29] oppss [01:29] past midnight.. :p [01:29] nikkia: not Jessica? Beh :-\ [01:30] <_john> say, when i installed Kmix and i boot it up, there is a little Red circle with an X on it in the tray. no sound comes out,a nd when i click it, it asks me to select a mixer from a listof mixers, but there are no mixers in the list. [01:30] apokryphos: anyway, once you watched it for more than about 2-3 hours, you started to realise that the timing wasn't always right, and since the 'mansion' was actually a sound stage in elstree (a fact they didn't really hide) they could have, and probably did, film it all in a day :) [01:30] hahaha [01:30] That would've been funny [01:31] 8 out of 10 cats is gettin' real funny, btw; and it just finished :( [01:31] apokryphos: the 'sky' outside the windows was cardboard panels on the soundstage, for example === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax6-015.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu [01:32] apokryphos: 'Back to Reality' according to imdb === thoreauputic_ is now known as thoreauputic [01:32] and i got it wrong, it was 5 not Ch4 [01:33] nikkia: haha. Sounds like the reality part is pretty central [01:33] apokryphos: the title could be irony [01:34] ah, that's why i lagged earlier [01:34] i just got an email from fcron telling me my IPv6 connection dropped :) [01:34] :-s [01:38] eloquence of kde4 currently http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/images/kde4-02.png :P [01:38] that yellow in kicker is a feature === seth_k [n=seth@24-117-17-230.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #kubuntu === _scott [n=scott@202.155.163.39] has joined #kubuntu === hon [n=hon@gazor3.ece.queensu.ca] has joined #kubuntu [01:39] apokryphos: what about the grey background on 'Location' ? [01:39] is that a feature too? [01:39] nikkia: no [01:39] it should be a little lighter [01:40] by that, i assume you mean 'it should match the surrounding grey' ? :) [01:40] nikkia: actually, nope... just checking -- it should be yellow too [01:40] the icon in the file konqueror window looks cut off too [01:41] i mean the icon in the location bar, not the window itself [01:41] well, is it yellow? If not, then... [01:42] Yeah, seems kinda silly to have a section on kde4 made already [01:42] maybe it's to "increase the buzz/hype", but kinda silly, as nothing actually works properly on it yet [01:43] Voting for Linux Journal finished on 30th of June (or July, let's say). Why exactly is it taking them till November to anounce the votes? :| [01:47] apokryphos: seen this, btw? http://www.pearpc.net/images/screenshots/1123658799.jpg [01:47] amd64 :P [01:48] apokryphos: OS X hacked to run on generic PCs [01:48] in that case, under vmware [01:48] very nice [01:52] nikkia: ever had a mac? [01:52] yeah, had a few === radis [n=radix@pc-162-206-104-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:52] Tried a friend of mine's not too long ago. Really smooth, actually. [01:52] Quite different to our Mac we had about 10 or so years ago (probably more) [01:53] my server machine when i was living in the US, was actually a G3-400 running yellowdog === Raptoid [n=raptoid@85.97.43.136] has joined #kubuntu [01:53] we had a paper-boy game on it though, as I recall. Good enough for me [01:53] oh [01:53] did a side-by-side dvd->divx encode on it, against my P3-800, it absolutely crushed the P3 [01:53] like 90 minutes vs 4 hours [01:53] wow [01:53] selamlar. [01:54] nikkia: what do you use for that? I remember in my more adventurous divx days I managed to make a couple, but they were always *very* big, sound wouldn't always lign up etc etc [01:55] apokryphos: the last mac i owned, and probably the last i'll ever own, was a dual G4-866, whose northbridge blew up 2 days after the warrenty expired [01:55] apokryphos: i usually use transcode these days [01:55] Perfect precision [01:56] i won't be buying a x86 mac [01:57] i didn't feel quite so dirty paying 3-5x the price of a PC when i knew i was getting a superior CPU [01:58] planning a new computer soon? === troglodyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu [01:58] sort of [01:58] What are you running at the moment, again? [01:58] my boss promised me two shuttle-X systems as a bonus [01:58] Yes, your boss does like you indeed 8) === pax drools over shuttle xpc [01:58] my boss would probably give me an extra shift instead ;-) [01:58] one is going to be a linux server for email/www/IPv6 tunnel, so i don't have to run all that stuff on my desktop [01:59] the other is going to my SO [01:59] the desktop i'm using now will remain tho [01:59] right [01:59] and its a P4-2.8 w 1GB of ram [01:59] n-nice [02:00] not really, its old, its slow, and its clunky === seth_k is now known as seth_k|away [02:00] 2.8 still sounds very good to me [02:00] and a gig of ram. Though, what type of ram? [02:00] apokryphos: its an old 2.8 [02:00] no HT, and no 800Mhz FSB === pax running an ol' athlon 2100+ at 2700+ speed with 1GB of PC 3200 ram [02:01] apokryphos: just DDR333 [02:01] still not bad [02:01] not even dual banked, as the chipset doesn't support it === troglodyt [n=user@204-101-205-72.anikast.net] has joined #kubuntu [02:01] I only ever go for Athlons though [02:02] apokryphos: i had a bad experience with AMD a long time ago :P [02:02] always much cheaper, for us. Confused about which is actually better, though read more than enough articles :P [02:02] and i really do mean a LONG time ago [02:02] Athlons are easily more popular, too, from where we buy. Most of the sellers regard Athlons more highly [02:02] i had a 386DX-40 [02:03] AMD is making cheap fast quiet chips now [02:04] the problem was, AMD didn't even tackle the issue that the VLB spec called for a max clock of 33MHz at the time [02:04] so it was terribly unstable, and i blame AMD [02:04] oddly, the 486DX-50 i replaced it with, didn't have the same issue [02:04] dual core sounds good [02:04] (and it was a first gen DX50, not the crappier 2nd gen that was released at the same time as the DX66) === valdhir [n=valdhir@62.57.15.96] has joined #kubuntu [02:05] most people didn't realise at the time, that there were two 486DX-50s, and the first-gen one was the best, it would outperform a DX66 for the most part [02:05] sounds like ancient talk to me; old indeed [02:06] (first-gen had a 50Mhz FSB, second gen, and the DX-66 had clock doubling, so a 25Mhz and 33Mhz FSB) [02:06] if you were IO bound, the DX-50 first gen would stomp all over the DX-66's slower FSB === pax [i=pax@dd05.us] has joined #kubuntu [02:09] oh, i also owned a K5 P166+ at one point, another reason to hate AMD :P [02:10] nikkia: how many have you had in all? Computers? [02:10] We've had under 10, but that's only 'cos we've got a big family, really [02:10] apok, hmmm, lets think, 5 :) [02:11] erm, thats just x86 desktops [02:11] oh :-O. Less than I thought [02:11] and its a bit deceptive, because each 'PC' went thru 2-3 motherboard/CPU combos :) [02:12] + 4 laptops and 8 macs [02:14] wow; many macs === Tm_lag [n=travolta@85-156-1-129.elisa-mobile.fi] has joined #kubuntu [02:16] apokryphos: an old quadra 900/950, a biege G3-300, 3 B&W G3s (2*350 + 1*400), a dual G4-866, and 2 333MHz iMacs [02:17]