[12:25] <sistpoty> ping elmo
[12:51] <_d4v_d> hi all
[01:08] <HeMan> Hi! Are people interrested in bugreports for breezy?
[01:09] <Burgundavia> HeMan, yes
[01:09] <Burgundavia> HeMan, in bugzilla or malone
[01:10] <HeMan> oki, i'll see if my bug is reported in bugzilla, otherwise i'll post one
[01:11] <HeMan> hmm, i've used bugzilla, but what is malone?
[01:11] <HeMan> i just found malone
[01:11] <tseng> malone aims to be a next generation bug tracker
[01:12] <tseng> with hooks to upstream bugs and other distros
[01:12] <tseng> to track the status of a bug on many levels
[01:13] <tseng> bbiab
[01:13] <HeMan> for kernel-bugs, should i use bugzilla or malone?
[01:14] <Nafallo> bugzilla
[02:08] <fjp> Hi. Something you may want to check in your repo.
[02:09] <fjp> For D-I, Colin recently renamed partman/partman to partman/partman-base.
[02:10] <fjp> But for Debian, he forgot to change partman.templates to partman-base.templates in partman-base/debian/po/POTFILES.in
[02:10] <fjp> This causes problems when building the package and maybe for translations.
[02:11] <fjp> Mentioning it here because he's away for his wedding.
[02:37] <mjg59> mdz: Cool, thanks for the confirmation
[02:37] <mjg59> I need to add Mac code for it, but that should be easy enough
[02:37] <tseng> mjg59: i doubt there is a fix for this, but usplash looks totally bong on my "widescreen" display
[02:38] <tseng> thanks to scaling
[02:38] <mjg59> tseng: Mm. Yes, I've noticed on mine.
[02:38] <mjg59> It seems to depend on the quality of the scaling
[02:39] <mjg59> But better graphics ought to deal with that...
[02:39] <Burgundavia> mjg59, what do you think of my LaptopTestingTeam reorg?
[02:50] <thierry> could someone check ubuntu bug 13416 ? I'd really like that someone check the patch... this also touch the motu team
[02:51] <mjg59> Burgundavia: Haven't looked yet, I'm afraid
[02:51] <mjg59> I'll do so in the morning - I'm nowhere near sober enough
[02:52] <Burgundavia> mjg59, ok
[02:52] <calc> i got my ubuntu 5.04 disks today :)
[03:10] <martinald> hi
[03:10] <martinald> is there an ubuntu marketing team?
[03:11] <thierry> martinald : yes check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam?highlight=%28marketing%29
[03:12] <thierry> martinald : it's not big but there's one anyway
[03:12] <martinald> that seems to explain a plan to make one
[03:12] <martinald> "I'm interested in helping to set up an Ubuntu marketing project, covering"
[03:12] <thierry> check this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMarketing?highlight=%28marketing%29
[03:13] <martinald> ok thanks
[03:13] <thierry> :)
[03:13] <martinald> should i edit the wiki to add a link to that page?
[03:13] <thierry> martinald : for anything else, check the wiki and if you don't find what you want, ask
[03:14] <thierry> yeah would be a great idea
[03:14] <martinald> ok
[03:16] <martinald> ok, done.
[03:16] <thierry> thanks
[03:17] <martinald> ok, no offense, but this is a) way out of date and b) totally misguided (IMHO)
[03:17] <martinald> i think this is a real, real shame because if 1% of the effort that goes into the technical side of ubuntu was put into marketing, you could see thousands more users
[03:18] <whiprush> well, lucky for us you dropped by! :)
[03:18] <martinald> heh.
[03:18] <martinald> spreadubuntu seems to have stalled also
[03:18] <whiprush> search for TheFridge in the wiki.
[03:19] <martinald> right
[03:20] <martinald> i'll be honest, it's interesting but i can't see anything like it happening
[03:20] <martinald> because it seems priorities are all mixed up. for example, on UbuntuMarketing, marketing to _developers_ is above marketing to _users_ !!!
[03:21] <martinald> and i don't understand the point of an ubuntu portal whatsoever
[03:22] <martinald> why would users go to 'the fridge' for a 'picture gallery' when they could go to flickr and get a service that is far, far better, well designed and popular, for example
[03:22] <whiprush> it's not for their personal pics.
[03:22] <whiprush> it's for people to submit pictures of ubuntu events around the world.
[03:23] <martinald> yes, but even still, flickr is likely to be far better for that
[03:23] <whiprush> maybe.
[03:23] <whiprush> but that's an implementation detail. It's just a wiki of ideas.
[03:24] <whiprush> Feel free to add/change/contribute whatever you feel needs to be fixed.
[03:24] <thierry> a bit like a like a news paper to say "eh! Ubuntu is great and see how people can help to market it"
[03:24] <martinald> well the major problem for ubuntu seems to be that it doesn't know what it's market is, which is a really fundamental problem
[03:25] <martinald> "that every Ubuntu user will want to set as their default homepage." but then goes on to say "Whoa, did you see The Fridge today? That X.org stuff is awesome!"
[03:25] <martinald> for some reason I can't see 'every ubuntu user' wanting to see 'awesome x.org stuff'.
[03:25] <thierry> well how firefox started to market their product? maybe we could learn from that?
[03:25] <martinald> absolutely
[03:25] <martinald> but you can't take too much away from that
[03:25] <thierry> why?
[03:25] <whiprush> a good number of those ideas are directly from spreadfirefox.
[03:26] <martinald> firefox is a 4MB download and a 1 minute install that leaves the user no worse off if they don't like it
[03:26] <Lathiat> similar to the livecd, a little longer download tho (that cant be avoided)
[03:26] <martinald> ubuntu is a 650MB download and a 30 minute install which could easy destroy their entire dataset if they don't like it and install it wrong
[03:26] <thierry> yeah but we have live-cd and free shipping cds so....
[03:26] <martinald> yes, but then you lose the impulse part
[03:27] <thierry> even if the shipping is quite long....
[03:27] <martinald> it took me 4 months to get my hoary cds
[03:27] <Lathiat> It's really hard to fullfill the impulse part really
[03:27] <martinald> but let's not focus on that
[03:27] <thierry> yep
[03:27] <Lathiat> Altho
[03:27] <Lathiat> can iso can be got in reasonablish times on more modern connections
[03:27] <martinald> the trouble is that 50%+ of regular firefox users will of installed it on an impulse
[03:28] <martinald> you really can't do the same for ubuntu, so if you try and copy firefox's methods too much you will not get far at all
[03:28] <thierry> I think we should maybe set something like a "take your local ubuntu cds there or there thing" with a map....
[03:28] <martinald> what?
[03:28] <martinald> how do you mean?
[03:29] <thierry> imagine that me, you and about every contributor of ubuntu burn a couple of ubuntu cds and sign a page with where someone could meet them to get a cds... fast, near and they have a contact of someone that has already used the product...
[03:29] <Lathiat> infinity: duder, is it broken to still have xlibmesa-gl-dev deps ?
[03:30] <infinity> Yup.
[03:30] <Lathiat> ok
[03:30] <martinald> there is too many problems with that
[03:30] <thierry> of course not everyone will want to do that but if a couple of people in big cities do that, that would be great
[03:30] <Lathiat> so i need to hti siretart with a stick
[03:30] <martinald> you'd have to put your address on the public internet, which many are not happy with
[03:30] <infinity> I thought he updated his wiki page to remove all mentions of it..
[03:30] <thierry> martinald : yeah maybe you're right...
[03:30] <Lathiat> didnt make much sense to me because xlibmesa-gl-dev is conflicted by libgl1-xorg-dev so thats a bit ugly for a start
[03:30] <infinity> Or did he forget to update the "xlibmesa-gl -> xlibmesa-gl-dev" part?
[03:30] <martinald> and very few people would have the effort to bother getting into their car or w/e and spending an hour driving to pick up some dodgey hand burned isos
[03:31] <martinald> burnt*
[03:31] <Lathiat> infinity: no he was specifically saying these dont need fixicn gas they build fine already (ones with just xlibmesa-gl-dev"
[03:31] <thierry> martinald : well maybe we could do something the locoteams... 
[03:31] <Lathiat> i'll harass him about it later :)
[03:31] <infinity> Lathiat : Well, we've finally punted xlibmesa* from the archive completely, so he's wrong. :)
[03:31] <thierry> well if they do it for windows why not for linux
[03:32] <Lathiat> infinity: i still see it in my mirro ri just synced :P
[03:33] <infinity> Lathiat : Uhm, where?
[03:33] <thierry> martinald : seriously if current video games would work on linux, all my friends would have linux... but none of them want a dual-boot system because they all alreadu have word, and excel and all that stuff...
[03:33] <infinity> Lathiat : It was in Universe by mistake, and got removed a few days ago.
[03:34] <thierry> martinald : but when the new windows will come out, we will have the advantage be able to say " hey don't pay again! get linux! it's even better and free!"
[03:34] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:34] <Lathiat> it isnt
[03:34] <Lathiat> why is it showing up in apt-cache show
[03:35] <martinald> I think a site similar to www.apple.com/switch would work nicely for ubuntu
[03:35] <martinald> but it'd have to be kept simple
[03:35] <martinald> but really if I was told I could do what I want with ubuntu to make it marketable, i'd drop the ubuntu name and colourscheme straight away
[03:36] <Lathiat> infinity: *confuzzled*
[03:36] <Lathiat> infinity: oh
[03:36] <Lathiat> maybe i still have it installed
[03:36] <martinald> because they are horrible to market with. doesn't instill confidence or reliability which is really what's needed for an OS
[03:36] <Lathiat> infinity: ah, yes. :)
[03:36] <Lathiat> infinity: that was it
[03:36] <Lathiat> infinity: my bad :)
[03:38] <adamh> Is there an Ubuntu repository with qt4 packages?
[04:41] <daniels> elmo: (talking about xrender)
[04:41] <daniels> > Because it's been replaced with libxrender.
[04:41] <daniels> Moved to universe.  If it should be removed from the archive, please request
[04:41] <daniels> that in the usual way.
[04:41] <daniels> elmo: please remove xrender source kthx
[04:43] <mdz> it's customary to send those requests by email, actually
[04:56] <infinity> mdz : edubuntu-meta rescued, amd64's having an issue with buildd-mail that I need to look into, either this weekend, or when I'm actually "back to work" on Monday, depending on how bored I get over the weekend.
[04:58] <mdz> infinity: thanks
[05:08] <Mez> Note to self: if you want to do anything with a CD, enable DMA
[05:54] <Lathiat> whoah
[05:54] <Lathiat> i just stuck an ubuntu live cd in from my box
[05:55] <Lathiat> and it came up with some "sage bob software" thing
[05:55] <Lathiat> (not an ubuntu cd)
[05:55] <jdub> hrm?
[05:58] <Lathiat> it says ubunut livecd on the front etc
[05:58] <Lathiat> but the image on it isnt
[05:58] <Lathiat> the others are fine tho
[05:59] <Mez> Lathiat, is it one from shipit, or did you burn it yourself and mislabel ?
[05:59] <Lathiat> shipit
[05:59] <Mez> weirdness
[05:59] <Mez> Sage = accounting
[05:59] <Lathiat> yeh tis was some netherlands thing
[05:59] <Mez> maybe it's mark's financial records :D
[05:59] <Mez> :P
[05:59] <Lathiat> haha
[06:00] <Mez> I was about to say "quick steal his money"
[06:00] <Mez> but then I thought "no, that'd be mean, he's a really nice guy, and thats no way to repay him for ubuntu" 
[06:02] <jdub> Lathiat: can you copy down the batch number on the CD and mail it to jane.silber@canonical.com and mako@ubuntu.com ?
[06:03] <Lathiat> jdub: wheres that put
[06:09] <jdub> Lathiat: on the plastic bit at the middle
[06:19] <Lathiat> dieman: ok
[06:19] <Lathiat> err
[06:19] <Lathiat> jdub: ok
[07:11] <jasoncohen> niran, how's goal 2 & 3 of FindingPackages coming along?
[07:25] <niran> jasoncohen, i got some code in g-a-i that will help with letting people install programs for unknown mime-types
[07:25] <niran> but i still have to get nautilus to actually ask for it
[07:26] <niran> for installing from launchpad, it's pretty simple if it's limited to just launchpad, but i want it to be broader than that
[07:26] <niran> so the format has to actually be sane, which is what i'm working on
[07:26] <niran> the actual code there is pretty trivial
[07:28] <jasoncohen> ah, hey
[07:28] <jasoncohen> so, it'll all be in for breezy?
[07:33] <jdub> we just passed feature freeze, so begging and pleading will be involved
[07:35] <jasoncohen> jdub, FindingPackages is High Priority so niran should be fine
[07:35] <jasoncohen> since the feature freeze makes an exception for high priority goals
[07:35] <niran> jasoncohen, i think the most important part is already in
[07:36] <niran> the unknown mime-types thing doesn't happen that often, and installing programs directly from launchpad doesnt seem that crucial
[07:39] <jasoncohen> niran, the ability to install directly from a developer's site would be nice
[07:40] <niran> jasoncohen, i think so too, but that wasn't even part of the original spec, i just tacked it on
[07:40] <jasoncohen> which is what we discussed earlier. i think that would prevent a lot of users from trying to compile packages from source that are already in ubuntu
[07:40] <niran> jasoncohen, it would take a lot of consensus for it to actually get adopted, and i still have to get the final format out for people to make sure it's sane
[07:41] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, remember that the spec only currently involves installing out of ubuntu repos
[07:41] <jasoncohen> i know
[07:41] <Burgundavia> jdub, my hackergotchi -- http://www.warbard.ca/temp/corey-blogface-small.png
[07:42] <Burgundavia> jasoncohen, which might lead to issues with version numbers, etc.
[07:42] <jasoncohen> the problem is that many new users especially have no clue what the ubuntu repos include and don't bother to check. if for example, someone sends them to the gaim site, they'll try to download an rpm or source
[07:42] <bob2> where's the svn repository for the ubuntu documentation?
[07:42] <Burgundavia> gnome-app-install should solve a lot of that
[07:42] <Burgundavia> bob2, just a sec
[07:43] <Burgundavia> bob2, https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos
[07:45] <niran> speaking of breezy goals, what's going on with the fridge?
[07:45] <Burgundavia> niran, coming along apparently
[07:46] <jdub> elmo: planet update please :)
[07:46] <jdub> Burgundavia: on its way
[07:47] <jdub> niran: keep an eye open for it soon, it will appear quietly :)
[07:47] <niran> jdub, cool :)
[07:48] <Burgundavia> jdub, thanks
[07:52] <Burgundavia> jdub, your content creation gnomes have been notified. As soon as you have a fridge, I will have original content for it
[08:22] <Burgundavia> jdub, thanks for buying into my new LaptopTesting reorged page
[09:09] <davyd> does someone know about DBus# being broken?
[09:09] <davyd> is a fix on the way?
[09:34] <Lathiat> mjg59: so why use vga16fb and not vesafb?
[09:34] <Lathiat> mjg59: like, usplash with vesafb worked nice for me, what does it break?
[09:34] <Lathiat> mjg59: where usplash si that old one someone wrote ('splashy'?)
[09:36] <Mithrandir> Lathiat: vesafb breaks suspend to ram.
[09:37] <Lathiat> it does?
[09:37] <Lathiat> worked for me
[09:37] <Lathiat> lucky me :)
[09:40] <Lathiat> breaks here :(*
[09:40] <davyd> is something meant to appear in the box?
[09:40] <davyd> I have an Ubuntu screen and a white box
[09:41] <davyd> then it goes back to console
[09:41] <Lathiat> i dont think so\
[09:41] <davyd> ok
[09:42] <Lathiat> unfortuantely vga16fb breaks on my laptop
[09:42] <Lathiat> the whoel thing moves down two lines
[09:42] <Lathiat> and i cant see the bottom two
[09:42] <Lathiat> adn the top two get 1 pixel lines down the side of each character
[09:42] <Lathiat> (and images are the same)
[09:43] <davyd> hmm, why is gdm is unresponsive lately?
[09:43] <davyd> it seems to get worse each version
[09:43] <davyd> is -6 the last kernel ABI we're going to see in Breezy?
[09:43] <Treenaks> davyd: nothing is sure with kernel ABIs
[09:44] <davyd> fair enough
[09:44] <Mithrandir> davyd: I don't think so, but no firm decision has been made
[09:44] <davyd> also, I have filed a patch for Toshiba bluetooth support that it would be nice to see in
[09:44] <Treenaks> Mithrandir: One security fix could change it..
[09:44] <Treenaks> davyd: \sh_away will like that
[09:45] <davyd> the other thing for the R200 is you need to use Marvells sk98lin driver, which breaks other things
[09:45] <Mithrandir> Treenaks: yes, for instance.
[09:45] <davyd> I don't expect that will go in at all, so I'm going to take a swing at trying to build it as a separate module
[09:46] <davyd> you're also still shipping an old version of xorg-driver-synaptics
[09:46] <davyd> if you ship a new one, you get scrollpad support on Toshibas and others
[09:46] <Treenaks> davyd: could you file a bug on that?
[09:46] <Burgundavia> davyd, that would be nice, given I just got one of those
[09:47] <davyd> Treenaks: the bluetooth and the trackpad are already filed
[09:47] <davyd> did you want me to file the sk98lin thing too?
[09:47] <Treenaks> davyd: why not
[09:47] <davyd> I might have a play with that first
[09:47] <davyd> see if I can get a driver building without having to patch the kernel
[09:51] <glick> hello
[09:51] <glick> scuse me i have a question
[09:51] <Treenaks> have you tried on #ubuntu?
[09:52] <glick> isnt it a security risk in .bash_profile to have PATH=~./bin:$PATH ?  shouldnt it instead be PATH=$PATH:~./bin
[09:52] <glick> ?
[09:52] <Burgundavia> jdub, g-a-i is moving to where run application used to be?
[09:52] <jdub> that is where it should be, yes
[09:53] <Treenaks> glick: that way you can't override /bin binaries with "better" ones in ~/bin
[09:53] <Burgundavia> jdub, that is a good idea
[09:53] <Treenaks> glick: so, it really doesn't matter much
[09:53] <jdub> it was already mentioned in the bug
[09:53] <Treenaks> glick: as long as "." is not in there
[09:53] <Burgundavia> jdub, ah, ok
[09:53] <glick> i can also put a nice trojan in someones ./bin
[09:53] <Treenaks> glick: no you can't :)
[09:53] <Burgundavia> jdub, my bad then. Never edit bugs at 1am
[09:53] <Treenaks> glick: and if you can, you're already root
[09:54] <Treenaks> glick: or you already have their account (which means there are better ways of trojanning, like editing ~/.bash_profile)
[09:59] <jdub> mjg59: http://www.livejournal.com/users/kernelslacker/22975.html
[10:02] <robitaille> jdub: maybe you should add Colin's blog on planet.u.c?   http://www.livejournal.com/users/cjwatson/  
[10:02] <robitaille> especially if he adds wedding pictures soon...
[10:04] <jdub> i'll have to wait for hiim to return to confirm
[10:04] <jdub> i don't add unless it's a personal request
[10:30] <jdub> Aug 13 01:30:51 ubuntu kernel: [4406450.192000]  ACPI: acpi_ec_space_handler: bit_width should be 8
[10:31] <jdub> getting lots of those
[10:31] <jdub> maybe four a second
[10:31] <jdub> given the timestamp
[10:41] <Treenaks> jdub: new laptop?
[10:56] <HiddenWolf> jdub, what is happening with the ubuntu-calendar packages, do you know?
[11:42] <mjg59> Lathiat: It breaks suspend/resume
[11:47] <pef> morning
[12:21] <Lathiat> What would cause a package to build but not enter the archives
[12:23] <Amaranth> new binaries
[12:23] <Lathiat> shouldnt have been
[12:23] <Amaranth> they got lost in the ether
[12:24] <Lathiat> hrm maybe weird version numbers are confusing me
[12:25] <HrdwrBoB> electromagnetic radiation from satellite debris 
[12:36] <Lathiat> Amaranth: how can i determine if somethign has new binaries
[12:37] <Amaranth> compare it to the last build? :)
[12:37] <Amaranth> or ask kamion or elmo of whoever else where it went
[12:37] <Lathiat> heh
[12:37] <Amaranth> err, or whoever else
[12:38] <Lathiat> spose ican look in the build log
[12:38] <Lathiat> to see what it generated
[01:01] <Amaranth> yay, smeg is approved
[01:37] <pitti> Hi
[01:37] <Lathiat> hey pitti 
[01:37] <Lathiat> pitti: new audio stuff rocks
[01:37] <Lathiat> tried it out today
[01:37] <Lathiat> however when i went to select the device in the sound box it was a blank adn disabled dropdown menu
[01:38] <pitti> cool
[01:38] <infinity> Lathiat : What built but didn't get into the archive?
[01:38] <Lathiat> (normally its enabled with just my internal sound)
[01:38] <pitti> Lathiat: known bug, will fix it soon
[01:38] <Lathiat> infinity: its ok it wasnt anything
[01:38] <Lathiat> pitti: ok cool
[01:38] <Lathiat> infinity: i thought it might have been but i foudn the real problem
[01:38] <pitti> Lathiat: this happens if your default device doesn't support dmix
[01:38] <infinity> Lathiat : Which was?
[01:38] <Lathiat> well im using dmix
[01:39] <Lathiat> infinity: err i forget now, it was minaly my inexperience with dealing with these things :) (im doing universe unmet dep stuff)
[02:30] <Lathiat> jdub: wow
[02:30] <Lathiat> jdub: theres a whole tonne of these sagebobsoftware cds
[02:43] <Lathiat> infinity: bah, you stepped on my gnomemm upload. :P
[02:44] <Lathiat> or more, i tried to step on yours :)
[02:53] <Lathiat> pitti: but yeh apart from that the audio stuff is rockign along
[02:54] <Lathiat> it actually switched automatically, was that supposed to happen?
[02:54] <Lathiat> (sounds like a good idea to me, but checking)
[02:54] <Lathiat> also i think the time the notification is shown should be a little longer
[02:54] <Lathiat> maybe another 5s
[02:56] <infinity> Lathiat : Sorry, not trying to step on MOTU toes, just trying to clear up some of the more obvious FTBFS snags in the archive.
[02:56] <Lathiat> infinity: heh 'sok, just happened i was doing it at the same time :)
[02:57] <Lathiat> infinity: want to put http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/glademm.debdiff then too? :)
[02:59] <infinity> Yeah, but it should also have a versoined build-dep on the gnomemm2.0 upload I just did.
[02:59] <infinity> (And I was about to upload with that change...)
[03:00] <Lathiat> ah ok
[03:00] <Lathiat> now to figure out what package wouldnt build because of thsi
[03:00] <Lathiat> i cant remember now
[03:01] <Lathiat> ah gabber2
[03:01] <infinity> There are a mess of packages waiting on these fixes, that's why I'm doing them.
[03:01] <infinity> Saw a few dozen go by in my last mass give-back.
[03:02] <Lathiat> vflib3 is waiting on xmkmf to exist again
[03:04] <Lathiat> infinity: ghc6 needs bootstrapping and the current version is no longer installable, any idea what would be done about that?
[03:05] <infinity> I'm in contact with Igloo to sort that out.
[03:05] <Lathiat> ok cool
[03:05] <infinity> It won't build with gcc-4.0 right now, but upstream is on the verge of releasing a point release that is buildable again.
[03:05] <Lathiat> hm ok
[03:05] <infinity> Should warrant a UVF exception since it's currently horribly FTBFS (causing us to be unable to bootstrap it)
[03:06] <infinity> And a mess of packages build-dep on it, so yeah.  I'm sure I can squeeze it in.
[03:06] <Lathiat> cool
[03:06] <Lathiat> all these openoffice.org langpack unmets, will they be sorted?
[03:06] <infinity> Not a clue.  I stay as far away from OOo as possible.  You may want to bug doko about it.
[03:06] <Lathiat> ok
[03:08] <Lathiat> want to see if we can get 0 unmet deps this release instead of 85. :)
[03:09] <Lathiat> and certainly not 749. 
[03:09] <infinity> Well, Kamion is doing regular britney runs on the archive, which should help.
[03:09] <Lathiat> whats that?
[03:09] <Lathiat> making sure things still build?
[03:09] <infinity> (britney is Debian's "testing" script... We don't use it for testing migratoin, since we have no concept of testing/unstable, but it's handy for finding uninstallable packages, etc)
[03:10] <Lathiat> ahok
[03:10] <infinity> Making sure things still build is more my domain.  We run breezy-autotest, a constant rebuild of the archive to see what's becoming FTBFS over time.
[03:11] <infinity> Now that the buildds are starting to get out of "oh my god, everything's broken, I need to put out fires!" mode, I should strat generating a bunch of valid bugs from breezy-autotest.
[03:11] <Lathiat> ah righton
[03:11] <Lathiat> heh
[03:55] <Lathiat> infinity: about?
[04:00] <infinity> Lathiat : Yes.
[04:01] <Lathiat> infinity: is bumping the build-dep versions really required / what does that achieve?
[04:01] <Lathiat> (vs just rebuilding it)
[04:01] <infinity> Lathiat : In practice (ie: from the POV of the archive), it achieves very little.
[04:01] <infinity> Lathiat : However, it makes bootstrapping the system from scratch much easier.
[04:02] <concept10> Anyone here know who develops the ubutnu hardware database collector application?
[04:02] <infinity> Lathiat : Which tends to be done with breezy-autotest. :)
[04:02] <Lathiat> infinity: ah
[04:02] <hunger> How can I turn off the splash screen? It is screwed up somewhat since I need to enter a password for my HDDs.
[04:02] <Lathiat> infinity: just wondering if i should version the deps for all these packages im just marking for ebuilds..
[04:02] <infinity> Lathiat ; But yes, I could have just given-back those failed builds and it would have had the same effect.
[04:02] <Lathiat> theyll all have to pull in *c2 stuff anyway
[04:02] <infinity> Lathiat : And I may get lazy and do that later for others.
[04:02] <Lathiat> so its going to start on that version
[04:03] <infinity> Lathiat : If you have a long list of rebuild requests (and an order to rebuild them in), feel free to mail that to me.
[04:03] <Lathiat> infinity: so they dont need a changelog entry?
[04:04] <infinity> Lathiat : I'm probably too lazy right now to add versioned build-deps for every single transitioned C++ package, but for some core libs, I prefer doing it the "right" way, so they don't end up in a broken state like gnomemm did.
[04:04] <Lathiat> right
[04:05] <infinity> Lathiat : If they're failed builds, they don't need to be reuploaded, just retried.  If they're in the archive with broken deps, they need  abumped changelog (1.2.3-1 -> 1.2.3-1build1, if it's a rebuild of a Debian-versioned package, 1.2.3-1ubuntu1 -> 1.2.3-1ubuntu2 if it's a rebuild if an ubuntu patched package)
[04:05] <Lathiat> infinity: right so ones that are in the archive (in the case of most of these), a debdiff would be good to give to someone to upload?
[04:05] <Lathiat> and eventually i might be able to upload them myself :)
[04:05] <infinity> Aren't you an MOTU?
[04:06] <Lathiat> not yet
[04:06] <infinity> Oh, thought you were.
[04:06] <Lathiat> im workign towards that goal
[04:06] <Lathiat> like, im participating, doing things, but not yet one as such. :)
[04:06] <infinity> Don't worry about a debdiff then.  It's faster for me to type "dch -i" than it is to apply a patch and check it.
[04:06] <Lathiat> right
[04:07] <infinity> So, just make up a list of "foo needs to be rebuilt against libbar, baz needs to be rebuilt against libquux", etc.
[04:07] <Lathiat> ok
[04:07] <Lathiat> quite a lot need some minor patch and stuff tho
[04:07] <Lathiat> for gcc4
[04:07] <Lathiat> or gl deps
[04:07] <Lathiat> i'll try put what i can together :)
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[04:14] <hunger_> Damn... ubuntu is too unstable to use on this laptop:-( Maybe it is time to start rolling my own kernels again... even though the newest ubuntu kernel is an improvement in stability for me.
[04:17] <Treenaks> hunger_: what's the problem then? and what kind of laptop?
[04:17] <hunger_> Treenaks: IBM T43p, just stops suddenly.
[04:17] <infinity> hunger_ : Same here with my T43.
[04:18] <infinity> hunger_ : Have you had success with other kernels?
[04:18] <hunger_> infinity: Great... at least I am not alone with this problem!
[04:18] <infinity> hunger_ : I was setting my sights on the Xorg Radeon driver, rather than on the kernel.
[04:18] <hunger_> infinity: Not really:-(
[04:18] <infinity> Is your system PCI-Express or AGP?
[04:19] <hunger_> infinity: X does not (always) start up here, so I think it is the kernel.
[04:19] <hunger_> infinity: PCIe.
[04:19] <infinity> Mine's a PCIe x300.
[04:19] <infinity> Xorg always starts fine (unless I'm stupid enough to use radeonfb), but the system hardlocks one or more times per day.
[04:19] <hunger_> infinity: I am guessing on the SATA drive at the moment. But that is just a guess.
[04:20] <infinity> SATA should be rock solid.
[04:20] <infinity> PCIe video isn't however.
[04:20] <infinity> Xorg doesn't even support PCIe yet (it just sets the card up as classic PCI)
[04:20] <hunger_> infinity: Xorg does not start due to udev not setting up /dev/input/mice.
[04:20] <infinity> So, anything "heavy bandwidth" (which is just about anything, over pure PCI) could be crashing the X server.
[04:20] <hunger_> infinity: But that is unrelated;-)
[04:21] <infinity> I could be on a wild goose chase, though.
[04:21] <hunger_> infinity: Well, I should have known better than getting the new stuff to run linux on;-)
[04:21] <infinity> I'm going to build a new Xorg with a CVS snapshot of the radeon driver and see if things have improved at all on that front.
[04:21] <infinity> New stuff is an adventure, though. :)
[04:21] <infinity> (And the T43 series is rather hard to pass up..)
[04:21] <hunger_> infinity: I need that damn laptop!
[04:22] <hunger_> infinity: and it is soooo sweet... I just had to have it;-)
[04:22] <infinity> I hear you.  I rather like mine too.
[04:22] <infinity> Though, my girlfriend looks at me oddly when I scream at it once or twice per day because it's locked up again.
[04:22] <infinity> :/
[04:22] <infinity> Anyhow, I'm digging into it.
[04:23] <infinity> Rest assured that if I have anything to say about it, breezy will be rock solid on this hardware by the time we release.
[04:23] <hunger_> infinity: My gf looks at me oddly when I grin maddly at it for pride of ownership;-)
[04:23] <hunger_> Any idea how to turn of that splash screen?
[04:24] <infinity> Uninstall usplash.
[04:24] <Lathiat> apt-get remove usplash ?
[04:24] <hunger_> Won't that break dependencies?
[04:24] <infinity> Oh, feh.  It was reseeded to desktop already?
[04:24] <infinity> That's a bit premature...
[04:24] <hunger_> Yeap... that breaks ubuntu and kubuntu-desktop.
[04:25] <Lathiat> yeh i think so
[04:25] <Lathiat> i didnt notice
[04:25] <hunger_> I tried removing "splash" as a kernel option.
[04:25] <Lathiat> yeh that doesnt work, its supposed to apparently but it doesnt
[04:26] <infinity> I'd recommend just letting the *-desktop packages go for now, and reinstalling them later when usplash is less... Rough.
[04:26] <hunger_> I do not mind the really *UGLY* image, but that I never get to a login prompt when running usplash...
[04:27] <infinity> Oh, try "video=vc:8" if you are looking to find a prompt.
[04:27] <infinity> That might do it for you.
[04:27] <Lathiat> whats that do?
[04:27] <infinity> Shunts the framebuffer off to nevernever land.  In theory.
[04:27] <infinity> Not sure if vga16fb respects it.
[04:28] <hunger_> infinity: hitting Alt-F1 is enough... then I get some error messages from usplash and my login prompt.
[04:28] <Lathiat> unfortuantely vga16fb sucks on thi shardware
[04:28] <hunger_> infinity: But it is somewhat counter-intuitive;-)
[04:29] <infinity> hunger_ : You could also "sudo rm /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-premount/usplash" and then regenerate your initramfs.
[04:29] <infinity> But that's pretty hackish.
[04:30] <hunger_> infinity: ARRRGGGGG! Who puts config stuff in /usr?
[04:31] <infinity> It's not config stuff.  The initramfs hooks all go there.
[04:31] <infinity> I'm assuming there's a way to override what initramfs does with real config stuff in /etc
[04:32] <infinity> But I'm not sure jbailey's had the time to document much about it, and I've not played with it yet.
[04:32] <hunger_> infinity: Which might belong in /var... 
[04:32] <infinity> (Other than having installed it and noticed that it more or less works)
[04:32] <infinity> Why would it belong in var?
[04:32] <infinity> It's static data, belonging to the usplash package.
[04:32] <infinity> It doesn't change.
[04:32] <hunger_> infinity: It is system specific stuff, isen't it?
[04:32] <infinity> Hence, not "variable"
[04:32] <infinity> No, it's package-specific.
[04:33] <infinity> Think of it like .desktop or update-menus files.  Except this is for initramfs. :)
[04:33] <hunger_> infinity: Hooks are system specific... initramfs setup is definitly system specific.
[04:33] <infinity> It's just one package's way of hooking into the larger scope.
[04:33] <infinity> Like I said, I'm sure there's a way to specify how to muck with it in /etc, I'm just not sure what that is.
[04:35] <hunger_> infinity: Why is there the same hierarchy in /etc again?
[04:36] <infinity> You'd have to ask jbailey.
[04:36] <infinity> I assume both are read.
[04:38] <infinity> Gah, it's 00:37 and I need to be up in 6 hours.  Where does the time go?
[05:02] <Zebaz> hello
[05:40] <pef> bye
[06:29] <Lathiat> jdub: did you do that xine upload?
[06:29] <jdub> oh crap
[06:29] <jdub> i did the patch but not the upload :)
[06:29] <Lathiat> :)
[06:31] <jdub> done
[06:36] <HiddenWolf> jdub: what will be happening with the ubuntu-calendar packages?
[06:36] <jdub> HiddenWolf: the art team will be handling them
[06:37] <davyd> they cut them off, just like I said they would!
[06:37] <davyd> and in their place was a picture of Ubuntu developers
[06:37] <davyd> and then some people
[06:37] <davyd> but I was vaguely on track ;)
[06:37] <HiddenWolf> jdub: we haven't had a new one since april, and while the files get installed in /usr/share/backgrounds/ they do not show up in the gnome-change-background app.
[06:38] <HiddenWolf> haven't since hoary pre-release, actually
[06:39] <davyd> in April they cut us off, with elmo and mark and some other people
[06:39] <davyd> (I can't remember who)
[06:40] <Mithrandir> james, mark and matt
[06:40] <davyd> so jdub, do you have secret UDU plans post l.c.a next year?
[06:40] <jdub> there will not be a developer conference in january
[06:41] <davyd> ok
[06:44] <HiddenWolf> davyd: piont remains, the packages in the archive are now useless, since they don't show up in the change background app
[06:44] <davyd> don't they...
[06:44] <davyd> do they not install the XML files that are required?
[06:44] <davyd> or did someone break something in GNOME?
[06:45] <HiddenWolf> davyd: my guess is they didn't install an xml file. The april package shows up, older packages don't
[06:45] <HiddenWolf> both hoary and breezy, btw
[07:54] <m0rphx> dpkg -S gives me: xkeyboard-config: /etc/X11/xkb/rules/base.xml
[07:54] <m0rphx> but after installing this package the file isn't there
[08:09] <mdke> sladen, ping?
[08:25] <Amaranth> m0rphx: dpkg -S shows you that the xkeyboard-config that you have installed now claims to have that file
[08:25] <Amaranth> m0rphx: I'd say file a bug report.
[08:25] <Amaranth> m0rphx: (sorry about the slow response, it is a weekend)
[08:25] <Treenaks> Amaranth: bad excuse :)
[08:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: Hey, I took time out of my weekend to make dragging .desktop files from nautilus to smeg work, give me a break. :D
[08:26] <Treenaks> Amaranth: the only valid excuse is "the SO is yanking me away from the keyb...fmjkgn" :)
[08:26] <Amaranth> of course, the fact that this is my last day online (at least on cable) might have something to do with why i'm here...
[08:26] <Amaranth> Treenaks: you'd better be getting something out of it :D
[08:29] <ploum> hello
[08:29] <ploum> Is there any bugzilla admin here ?
[08:30] <ploum> seb128 asked that someone gives me enough right to mark bugs as UPSTREAM but I cannot
[08:47] <Amaranth> ploum: see topic
[08:47] <Amaranth> or not
[08:50] <ploum> Amaranth, I've read the URL in topic, but I don't see the point here
[08:50] <Amaranth> [13:57]  <Amaranth> or not
[08:51] <Amaranth> ploum: there are 3 people who can give you editbugs and two of them aren't here
[08:51] <Amaranth> i can't remember who the third is
[08:52] <ploum> sorry, I taked the "or not" as ironic
[08:52] <ploum> well, for the moment, I comment them as "can be marked as upstream"
[09:56] <Simira> mjg59:ping
[10:31] <benohite> hello
[10:31] <benohite> does anyone know "zenity" ?
[10:47] <luis_> benohite: what about it?
[10:49] <benohite> about a script
[10:49] <benohite> zenity allow to generate easely gdialog from script
[10:49] <benohite> but i can't find doc on it
[10:51] <Zomb> examples from dialog pkg maybe?
[10:51] <benohite> sorry my english isn't so good i didn't understand :)
[11:05] <Burgundavia> niran, you totally rock
[11:05] <niran> that's what i like to hear
[11:06] <niran> it seems like whenever i wake up and get to my computer, i'm being showered with praise
[11:06] <niran> i can't say i don't like it
[11:06] <Burgundavia> one minor UI point
[11:07] <Burgundavia> what about have a tab for searches and a tab for the listing? the serach bar would always be visible, it would just switch you to the search tab
[11:08] <Burgundavia> niran, why are you not mentioned in the about?
[11:08] <niran> i'm on authors
[11:08] <Burgundavia> ah
[11:08] <niran> i didn't add the about, mvo did
[11:09] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:09] <niran> for the tab thing, i don't see how that would make it better
[11:09] <Burgundavia> after I search, there is no easy way to get back to the listings
[11:09] <niran> clear search?
[11:09] <Burgundavia> clear search means that I clear the search bar to me
[11:09] <niran> ah. hmm...
[11:11] <niran> maybe clear results instead of clear search?
[11:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:12] <Burgundavia> oh, and the search function should probably remember previous searches
[11:12] <Burgundavia> with typeahed
[11:13] <Burgundavia> niran, should I just file bugs on these things?
[11:14] <niran> that's sounds like a plan
[11:14] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:14] <niran> i'll fix the clear search thing
[11:14] <Burgundavia> what about programs that are in the wrong section?
[11:14] <Burgundavia> will that be automatically fixed?
[11:15] <niran> if their desktop files have the wrong section, g-a-i will put them in that wrong section
[11:16] <niran> but when those get fixed, they'll be fixed in g-a-i after i generate new data
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:16] <Burgundavia> and you generate the data out of the archive?
[11:17] <niran> right
[11:17] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:18] <Burgundavia> you also need to nuke gnome-app-install-data, as the package is now no longer seperated
[11:19] <niran> Burgundavia, mvo deals with all the packaging details, and i think he knows about that one
[11:19] <Burgundavia> niran, ah
[11:38] <marcin> hi all
[11:39] <marcin> could someone help me and tell how to create deb package with source which has one single file?
[11:40] <marcin> and this file is available as just uncompressed source
[11:40] <Burgundavia> marcin, #ubunut-motu is better place to ask
[11:41] <marcin> Burgundavia: ok thx