[02:05] <jsgotangco> hi
[02:05] <Burgundavia> salut jsgotangco 
[02:06] <Burgundavia> did you see the post about Laptop testing?
[02:06] <jsgotangco> i see you have already received yours
[02:06] <jsgotangco> yes
[02:06] <jsgotangco> i just woke up half an hour ago
[02:06] <Burgundavia> already running hoary
[02:07] <jsgotangco> how did it go?
[02:09] <jsgotangco> how do you make a /foo page from an existing wiki entry?
[02:13] <jsgotangco> wow sladen's report is really comprehensive!
[02:16] <Burgundavia> link ["/FooSubPage"] 
[02:16] <jsgotangco> ahh so \sh is getting a portege
[02:17] <jsgotangco> that's less than 2lbs!
[02:17] <Burgundavia> oh?
[02:17] <jsgotangco> yeah i saw it on his blog
[02:17] <Burgundavia> hmm, I seem to be getting random freezes
[02:17] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:18] <Burgundavia> I need to blog about my gift as well
[02:18] <Burgundavia> going to work this weekend on the Quick tour
[02:18] <jsgotangco> same here i'll rip up some work later
[02:18] <jsgotangco> the weather isn't too great at the moment
[02:18] <Burgundavia> sunny and 26 here
[02:19] <jsgotangco> its already the rainy season over here
[02:21] <rob^> are you looking for help testing laptops Burgundavia?
[02:22] <Burgundavia> rob^, if you have one and think you can be very rigous, join the team
[02:22] <Burgundavia> rob^, canonical shipped laptops to us to get tested
[02:23] <jsgotangco> yeah mjg59 can't do it all
[02:24] <Burgundavia> rob^, if you think you can test it as thoroughly as they are expected us to
[02:25] <jsgotangco> well they are supposed to be test units to us for 3 releases...
[02:26] <jsgotangco> and take care of Windows as well
[02:27] <Burgundavia> ugh
[02:28] <jsgotangco> i should update my blog
[02:28] <jsgotangco> heh
[02:29] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, are you syndicated on p.u.c?
[02:29] <jsgotangco> nope
[02:29] <jsgotangco> should i be?
[02:31] <Burgundavia> talk to jdub
[02:31] <Burgundavia> no reason not to be. after all, I am there
[02:32] <jsgotangco> ok i'll ask him when i get to see him on irc
[02:33] <Burgundavia> he is almost in the same timezone as you
[02:35] <rob^> I wish I had a laptop
[02:35] <rob^> would make writing a lot easier
[02:35] <Burgundavia> so would bazaar
[02:36] <rob^> at the moment I'm running sygwin on a Windows NT box, using u2d and d2u to convert our .xml files and editing them in notepad
[02:36] <Burgundavia> ouch
[02:36] <rob^> from an Xlivecd
[02:38] <rob^> yeah not wrong
[02:40] <jsgotangco> ok see you guys later, i have to go back to my dentist (ouch)
[02:40] <Burgundavia> poor bastard
[02:40] <jsgotangco> yeah, getting old sucks
[02:41] <Burgundavia> jsgotangco, how old are you?
[02:42] <jsgotangco> ill be 31 on Aug. 28
[02:42] <Burgundavia> oh. I am only 22
[02:42] <Burgundavia> I feel so young
[02:42] <jsgotangco> i have been doing linux since rh 5.2
[02:42] <jsgotangco> but only got involved lately
[02:43] <Burgundavia> ah
[02:43] <Razor-X> hmmm?
[02:44] <rob^> ah red hat 5
[02:44] <Burgundavia> I started with RH 8
[02:44] <rob^> brings back memories
[02:44] <jsgotangco> rob^: yeah those were the days of manually configuring xfree86
[02:44] <rob^> configuring sound with that command line app and hearing linus' voice
[02:44] <rob^> pronounce linux
[02:45] <jsgotangco> yeah
[02:45] <Razor-X> Debian Woody is where I started
[02:45] <jsgotangco> you had to pay for decent sound back then
[02:45] <rob^> what year was rh5 released again?
[02:45] <Razor-X> I had to do a floppy install
[02:45] <rob^> yeah
[02:45] <jsgotangco> hmm 97 or 98
[02:45] <rob^> I thought so
[02:45] <Razor-X> because the 486 on which I installed Debian on had it's CD removed because it had only 2 IDE ports on the motherboard
[02:45] <jsgotangco> i even bought caldera open linux
[02:46] <jsgotangco> but caldera was good back then
[02:46] <jsgotangco> until rh 6.2 came out with E
[02:46] <rob^> yes, I had an "open circulation edition" of caldera
[02:46] <rob^> gui installers mmmm
[02:46] <rob^> and the game of tetris at the end
[02:46] <jsgotangco> yeah haha
[02:46] <jsgotangco> jeez
[02:47] <rob^> ok I gtg out shopping now
[02:47] <rob^> cys
[02:47] <jsgotangco> same here
[02:47] <rob^> cyas
[02:47] <Burgundavia> someone suggested playing games on our installer
[02:47] <jsgotangco> later
[02:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: it was done before
[02:47] <Burgundavia> ya
[02:47] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: but we only have a text installer
[02:47] <jsgotangco> unless we add a typing game
[02:48] <rob^> add tuxracer
[02:48] <rob^> hehe
[02:48] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: we can also show some notes instead
[02:48] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:48] <Madpilot> hi all
[02:48] <jsgotangco> well k i really haveto go cya
[02:50] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot 
[02:50] <Madpilot> hi Burgundavia - swearing at XP yet?
[02:50] <Burgundavia> no
[02:50] <Burgundavia> I have spent about 5 minutes in XP
[02:51] <Madpilot> thought you had the lappie already?
[02:51] <Burgundavia> I did
[02:51] <Burgundavia> I have already installed Hoary
[02:51] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5
[02:51] <Madpilot> ah, cool. so swearing at Hoary instead? ;)
[02:52] <Burgundavia> sort of
[02:52] <Burgundavia> got some random crashes
[02:52] <Madpilot> yeah, just reading your reporting page
[02:53] <Madpilot> did they give the same model to more than one person?
[02:53] <Burgundavia> shouldn't of
[02:53] <Burgundavia> that would be a waste
[02:54] <Madpilot> no? makes it a bit harder to seperate user issues and/or hardware issues from Ubuntu-issues, then
[02:55] <Burgundavia> not really
[02:55] <Burgundavia> the people they have shipped the laptops to are likely to know what they are doing
[02:56] <Madpilot> true enough - any idea how many they shipped?
[02:56] <Burgundavia> no idea
[02:56] <Burgundavia> we will find out very soon though
[02:56] <Burgundavia> going to do that to dads laptop when he gets back as well
[02:56] <Burgundavia> and the other ones of dads I have sitting here
[02:57] <Madpilot> good idea. you've already tried the live CD on Dad's new sony, haven't you/
[02:57] <Madpilot> ?
[02:57] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:58] <Burgundavia> but I haven't tested as thoroughly as I have this one
[02:58] <Madpilot> Dad might require some convincing to let you mess with his primary work computer...
[02:58] <Burgundavia> not going to install
[02:58] <Madpilot> just test via LiveCD?
[02:59] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:00] <Madpilot> why to run Linux, reason #45,354: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4745053.stm
[03:02] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:02] <Burgundavia> unfortunately, whoever wrote that didn't mention that those are exclusively windows issues
[03:03] <Madpilot> the Beeb used to refer to "Windows viruses" - wonder if MS coughed meaningfully?
[03:03] <Burgundavia> never know
[03:04] <Burgundavia> likely the reporter was different or thought they were not only writing about viruses
[03:05] <Madpilot> guess so, and of course "home computer = Windows comuter" for most ppl...
[03:05] <Burgundavia> for 95% of the world
[03:06] <Madpilot> yeah. Did you see that Brazillian Ubuntu Bus article in forums?
[03:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[03:07] <Burgundavia> and lwn and planet.ubuntu and some mailing list I am on
[03:07] <Madpilot> yeah, I found it via planet.ubuntu too
[03:08] <Madpilot> heh - Tim Berners-Lee is a Unitarian... http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1547447,00.html?gusrc=rss
[03:11] <Madpilot> so I bought a new printer today - haven't plugged it in yet. HP Deskjet somelongnumber - linuxprinting.org gave it high marks
[03:12] <Burgundavia> cool
[03:12] <Burgundavia> bloody hell, now that beagle works, it is now eating all my ram again
[03:12] <Madpilot> bad dog! no more RAM!
[06:08] <Burgundavia> geez
[06:11] <Madpilot> ?
[06:14] <Burgundavia> beagled had eaten so much of my ram my machine basically was unresponsive
[06:14] <Burgundavia> and any mono app is currently borked, so I am going to restart the machine
[06:15] <Madpilot> for the first time in how many days?
[06:15] <Burgundavia> a very long time. Beagled has mostly been non-working until recently
[06:16] <Madpilot> ... why I don't do beta apps...
[06:16] <Burgundavia> actually, it is only blam that does it
[06:16] <Madpilot> my current uptime is almost 3 days - damned power outage almost three days ago! ;)
[06:17] <Burgundavia> you got that too?
[06:17] <Burgundavia> we had it as well
[06:17] <Madpilot> "im not really an idiot, but i do play one on the internet" <-- just went past on main channel. 
[06:18] <Madpilot> we've had a bunch of short power outages in the last two weeks or so 
[06:18] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:18] <Burgundavia> quite annoying
[06:18] <Madpilot> the one when you were here, and two since then
[06:18] <Burgundavia> they have affected me as well
[06:18] <Burgundavia> we were the south edge of it
[06:19] <Madpilot> irritating
[06:19] <Madpilot> actually I've got to shut this machine down this weekend, I want to clear those two old drives off before I sell them
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I want my old 20 back if you don't need it
[06:21] <Burgundavia> I will need it for my server
[06:22] <Madpilot> ya, sure. I'm selling the other one to Cam. poor drive
[06:22] <Madpilot> ;)
[06:22] <Madpilot> assuming one or both isn't borked, of course...
[06:22] <Burgundavia> reformat them both
[06:22] <Burgundavia> that should mark any errors
[06:23] <Madpilot> will do - but will that work with fat32 formatting?
[06:24] <Burgundavia> yes
[06:24] <Burgundavia> I will be back in a second or maybe longer if my machine doesn't come back up
[06:24] <Madpilot> OK, good. 
[06:28] <Burgundavia> hey, it came back up and quickly
[06:28] <HrdwrBoB> :o
[06:29] <Burgundavia> but all mono apps are still borked
[06:56] <Burgundavia> alright, one sort of funny blog post written
[06:59] <Madpilot> what're you drinking tonight, Burgundavia?
[06:59] <Madpilot> "great flaming sword of organization" indeed...
[07:00] <Burgundavia> do you follow my rss directly?
[07:00] <Madpilot> no, I just found an old planet entry of yours and direct to your (ugly) blog
[07:00] <Burgundavia> I will be moved to my own server eventually
[07:01] <Madpilot> in the meantime, can't you drop a stylesheet on your advogato blog? it needs something to cover it up!
[07:01] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[07:01] <Madpilot> too bad...
[07:02] <Burgundavia> relieved or releived?
[07:03] <Madpilot> i before e, except when some damn exception says otherwise, remember?
[07:03] <Burgundavia> ya ya
[07:03] <Burgundavia> didn't trust my thinking
[07:09] <Madpilot> <evil grin> I found a pic you can use for your icon-thingie on planet.ubuntu: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/uglydog.jpg
[07:11] <Burgundavia> ugh
[07:11] <Burgundavia> can you do some gimp-foo for me?
[07:11] <Madpilot> on the dog? sure
[07:11] <Burgundavia> good XP is ugly
[07:11] <Burgundavia> no
[07:11] <Madpilot> no dog pic? what on, then?
[07:11] <Burgundavia> http://www.weav.bc.ca/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=11&cat=0&pos=40
[07:12] <Burgundavia> s/good/god
[07:12] <Madpilot> that pic of you? with little planet-style dropshadow thingie? can do
[07:12] <Madpilot> I can even get rid of the redeye, probably
[07:13] <Burgundavia> thanks
[07:13] <Burgundavia> windows is even uglier with non-fisher price crap
[07:13] <Burgundavia> gah
[07:14] <Burgundavia> I also have 10 icons in my notification area
[07:14] <Madpilot> and you have to pay *extra money* for a 3rd party util to reskin the bugger
[07:15] <Burgundavia> sweet, my wireless is atheros
[07:15] <Burgundavia> that means it is going to work
[08:08] <Burgundavia> s/ubuntu/xp
[08:11] <poningru> damn I finally made it back
[08:12] <poningru> sorry guys but my work on docs stopped about 2 weeks ago
[08:12] <poningru> and wont start again unless I can find time during college
[08:12] <Burgundavia> np
[08:12] <Burgundavia> RL is more important
[08:14] <poningru> RL?
[08:14] <poningru> real life
[08:14] <poningru> hehe true
[08:15] <poningru> well I am recruiting people at the local lug
[08:15] <poningru> but I was kinda hoping to join the laptop testing team before college started
[08:15] <poningru> I have a Presario 2100 Compaq
[08:15] <poningru> if the testing can be boiled down to something like an hour per week
[08:15] <Burgundavia> joining the team needs a lot of work
[08:15] <poningru> I am sure I can manage
[08:15] <poningru> ooph
[08:16] <Burgundavia> probably an hour a week would probaby be all ou would need
[08:16] <poningru> oh
[08:16] <Burgundavia> a couple of hours at first
[08:16] <Burgundavia> to test everypiece of hardware
[08:16] <poningru> yeah I am willing to do that
[08:16] <Burgundavia> every button, etc.
[08:16] <Burgundavia> then just reinstall on each new release
[08:16] <poningru> I have tested the crap out of this one
[08:16] <poningru> xev etc.
[08:18] <poningru> whats the process to get on the team?
[08:18] <Burgundavia> you join
[08:18] <Burgundavia> the part where they handed out free laptops is over
[08:20] <poningru> well I dont want free laptops
[08:20] <poningru> I already have one
[08:20] <poningru> how do I join?
[08:21] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[08:21] <Burgundavia> add yourself to that page
[08:21] <Burgundavia> and create a subpage
[08:22] <poningru> ok
[08:22] <Burgundavia> see what we have done
[08:23] <poningru> ah ic
[08:23] <poningru> but what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Requests
[08:23] <poningru> the people down there
[08:23] <poningru> maybe someone should contact them
[08:24] <poningru> most people there seem to have their own laptops
[08:24] <poningru> and are willing to use it to test
[08:24] <Burgundavia> sure
[08:24] <Burgundavia> I just moved the page today
[08:26] <poningru> ah ic
[08:33] <Burgundavia> poningru, what is US?
[08:33] <Burgundavia> poningru, the key part about contact is that you can be reached
[08:33] <poningru> dont know
[08:33] <poningru> ah ok
[08:34] <Burgundavia> [""]  will link Poningru
[08:34] <poningru> I guess I can put up an user page
[08:34] <poningru> or just link to my email addy
[08:34] <Burgundavia> better to create a user page
[08:34] <poningru> anyway about the US
[08:35] <poningru> the model number of the laptop is Presario 2140US
[08:35] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[08:35] <poningru> but there is a general model number Presario 2100
[08:35] <poningru> dont know why there are two
[08:35] <Burgundavia> more specific is better
[08:35] <poningru> I am pretty sure the US is the keyboard layout
[08:35] <Burgundavia> hardware might change
[08:35] <poningru> but dont know about the 40 part
[08:36] <poningru> hmm true
[08:36] <Burgundavia> the model number you want to report is the one that one would see int eh store
[08:36] <Burgundavia> which is often different from the one on the bottom of the machine
[08:49] <poningru> sigh
[08:50] <poningru> I will do this tommorow
[10:05] <mdke> morning
[10:05] <Burgundavia> morning
[10:06] <mdke> hey you moved my laptop page
[10:06] <Burgundavia> yes I did
[10:06] <Burgundavia> read your mail
[10:07] <mdke> i see it
[10:07] <mdke> but why?
[10:08] <mdke> not everyone will do their laptop reports on the wiki
[10:08] <robitaille> but the ones that do it will be easy to find
[10:08] <Burgundavia> mdke, if they don't, I am certain they will be hunted down
[10:08] <mdke> Burgundavia, the instructions simply say "in a format which can be submitted"
[10:09] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:09] <mdke> oh well
[10:09] <mdke> whatever
[10:09] <mdke> if you want to do the maintenance work :p
[10:09] <Burgundavia> it is still your page
[10:10] <Burgundavia> this makes it easy for the community to see what we are doing, the other side of laptop testing
[10:11] <Burgundavia> because we can point people there when they ask how laptops work with Ubuntu
[10:11] <mdke> a link on LaptopTestingTeam would have achieved that
[10:11] <mdke> but i don't have a problem
[10:11] <mdke> so now do I have to do all the tests on one page? for hoary, and all the breezy releases?
[10:11] <mdke> i planned to do them on separate pages
[10:12] <Burgundavia> you can do as you like
[10:12] <Burgundavia> I think one page is better for readability
[10:13] <mdke> i'm definitely gonna make several pages, one page with like 10 reports on will be insane
[10:14] <Burgundavia> I was going to have 2 reports
[10:14] <Burgundavia> a hoary one and a running breezy one
[10:14] <mdke> ah
[10:14] <Burgundavia> both on the same page
[10:14] <Burgundavia> no need to report every colony release
[10:14] <mdke> we have to test each release (colony 2, any more colonies, preview releases, final release) and then the same for breezy +1
[10:14] <Burgundavia> unless there is a regression
[10:15] <mdke> Burgundavia, the contract you signed says that you do
[10:15] <robitaille> I thought you were supposed to report every colony release...
[10:15] <Burgundavia> yes, but not once the next colony is out
[10:15] <mdke> This should be repeated for each development snapshot released, the preview release, the release candidate and the final release.
[10:15] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingConditions
[10:15] <Burgundavia> the developers only care about the latest development release
[10:16] <Burgundavia> so just mention that this is against Colony XYZ in the title of the breezy section
[10:16] <Burgundavia> and update as needed for each release
[10:16] <robitaille> but you have to issue a new report for each colony; might as well keep it around for documentation sake
[10:16] <mdke> dude
[10:16] <mdke> you have to follow the instructions given
[10:16] <Burgundavia> I intend to test for every release
[10:17] <Burgundavia> I just don't care about whether or not Colony 2 works when colony 3 is out
[10:17] <Burgundavia> nor do the developers
[10:17] <mdke> well you need to make the report in a format to be submitted
[10:17] <Burgundavia> it is, right there!
[10:17] <Burgundavia> you want to see what the latest state of my laptop, yyou can see it
[10:18] <Burgundavia> no need to figure out which is newer
[10:18] <Burgundavia> after the breezy is stable, that is different
[10:18] <Burgundavia> then I need 3 reports
[10:18] <mdke> up to you
[10:18] <mdke> i will be following the instructions
[10:18] <mdke> since it doesn't hurt me to do so
[10:19] <Burgundavia> honestly, telling them wireless works in 3 and was broken in 2 can be mentioned inline
[10:19] <Burgundavia> doesn't need another whole report
[10:19] <mdke> i understand your view, but that is not what you were asked
[10:21] <Burgundavia> if you read it, it merely asks you that you install the release within 2 days of a release
[10:21] <Burgundavia> and that you submit the data
[10:22] <Burgundavia> it doesn't say you need to keep old and useless data around
[10:22] <mdke> ok well as long as you submit it
[10:22] <Burgundavia> I intend to
[10:22] <Burgundavia> that is point of collecting it all on one page
[10:22] <mdke> awesome I've had emails from 2 people with help on the thinkpad
[10:22] <Burgundavia> easy to see where people are at
[10:23] <Burgundavia> the be honest, the wiki is probaby the best form of reporting for the developers, provided it is backed up with bug reports
[10:25] <Burgundavia> mdke, robitaille how did you see yourself submitting reports? paper forms?
[10:25] <Burgundavia> I would love to standardize the pages so they all look the same
[10:26] <robitaille> I thought it was going to be by emails;  with a copy on the wiki for the sake of everyone else.
[10:26] <mdke> wiki pages here
[10:26] <Burgundavia> to whom?
[10:26] <robitaille> not sure.
[10:27] <Burgundavia> the people that are going to be fixing it read the bugzilla
[10:27] <mdke> to claire, mjg and mdk
[10:27] <Burgundavia> and maybe the wiki
[10:27] <mdke> mdk/mdz
[10:27] <Burgundavia> the developers really only care about what is broken
[10:27] <Burgundavia> what works in for marketing
[10:27] <Burgundavia> hence the standard pages
[10:27] <robitaille> maybe this should be made clear.  I don't think everyone uses the wiki.  /sh reported on his laptop on his blog; and I can't rmeember seeing him editing a wiki page
[10:28] <Burgundavia> I don't consider it unreasonable to make people edit a wiki page
[10:29] <robitaille> maybe as an email to ubuntu-devel?  or that would be too much spam-like?
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ugh
[10:29] <Burgundavia> again, the developers don't need this in their face unless it is broken
[10:29] <mdke> you can link to blogs on the wiki
[10:29] <mdke> no problem
[10:29] <Burgundavia> ugh
[10:29] <Burgundavia> part of this is also marketing
[10:29] <Burgundavia> we need to remember that
[10:30] <robitaille> anyway I'm going to bed;  I finally found a bug to close in Malone.  THat's my cue to log off :)
[10:30] <mdke> nice
[10:30] <Burgundavia> buy this laptop because ubuntu works and we can prove it!
[10:32] <Burgundavia> mdke, I had an idea for your page. If you want to keep the old reports around, keep you main page as the latest breezy and hoary
[10:32] <Burgundavia> mdke, and just copy your old reports to archives
[10:32] <mdke> i'll see how it pans out
[10:32] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:32] <mdke> i will put some hardware info on the main page i think
[10:32] <mdke> then do the reports on subpages
[10:33] <mdke> gtg need to find a house
[10:33] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:35] <Burgundavia> night all
[03:05] <martinald> hi guys!
[03:05] <martinald> i posted to the ubuntu -devel list about breezy marketing and was told to join you here
[03:36] <martinald> anyone around?
[04:21] <martinald> hello?
[04:45] <martinald> anyone around?
[05:50] <HrdwrBoB> yeah
[08:20] <martinald> hi guys
[08:20] <martinald> anyone still here?
[08:22] <mgalvin> hey martinald
[08:25] <martinald> hey!
[08:26] <mgalvin> how it going
[08:26] <martinald> not bad.
[08:26] <martinald> yourself?
[08:27] <mgalvin> pretty good
[08:27] <mgalvin> have you had a chance to look at the doc team wiki yet?
[08:31] <martinald> i'm looking at it now
[08:32] <mgalvin> k, cool
[08:36] <martinald> so what's needing the most attention
[08:38] <mgalvin> well, the faqguide, rob^ and i work on and it almost done, but feel free to work on anything you would like to
[08:38] <mgalvin> i jump around abit and work on many different things
[08:38] <mgalvin> um, the about-ubunt and release notes still need some more updating...
[08:39] <mgalvin> additionally if you have marking type stuff you want to do, make a wiki page for it called something like MarketingSpec and start putting your ideas there
[08:39] <mgalvin> so we can all see it and start helping you with it
[08:39] <martinald> right, will do.
[08:41] <mgalvin> i have to run to the store... will be back in a little bit, see you later
[08:42] <martinald> ok
[08:42] <martinald> cya
[08:58] <martinald> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyMarketing is my first effort