=== mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-52-161.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax6-015.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@info1-107.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:05] hi [02:05] salut jsgotangco [02:06] did you see the post about Laptop testing? [02:06] i see you have already received yours [02:06] yes [02:06] i just woke up half an hour ago [02:06] already running hoary [02:07] how did it go? [02:09] how do you make a /foo page from an existing wiki entry? [02:13] wow sladen's report is really comprehensive! [02:16] link ["/FooSubPage"] [02:16] ahh so \sh is getting a portege [02:17] that's less than 2lbs! [02:17] oh? [02:17] yeah i saw it on his blog [02:17] hmm, I seem to be getting random freezes [02:17] ah [02:18] I need to blog about my gift as well [02:18] going to work this weekend on the Quick tour [02:18] same here i'll rip up some work later [02:18] the weather isn't too great at the moment [02:18] sunny and 26 here [02:19] its already the rainy season over here [02:21] are you looking for help testing laptops Burgundavia? [02:22] rob^, if you have one and think you can be very rigous, join the team [02:22] rob^, canonical shipped laptops to us to get tested [02:23] yeah mjg59 can't do it all [02:24] rob^, if you think you can test it as thoroughly as they are expected us to [02:25] well they are supposed to be test units to us for 3 releases... [02:26] and take care of Windows as well [02:27] ugh [02:28] i should update my blog [02:28] heh [02:29] jsgotangco, are you syndicated on p.u.c? [02:29] nope [02:29] should i be? [02:31] talk to jdub [02:31] no reason not to be. after all, I am there [02:32] ok i'll ask him when i get to see him on irc [02:33] he is almost in the same timezone as you [02:35] I wish I had a laptop [02:35] would make writing a lot easier [02:35] so would bazaar [02:36] at the moment I'm running sygwin on a Windows NT box, using u2d and d2u to convert our .xml files and editing them in notepad [02:36] ouch [02:36] from an Xlivecd [02:38] yeah not wrong [02:40] ok see you guys later, i have to go back to my dentist (ouch) [02:40] poor bastard [02:40] yeah, getting old sucks [02:41] jsgotangco, how old are you? [02:42] ill be 31 on Aug. 28 [02:42] oh. I am only 22 [02:42] I feel so young [02:42] i have been doing linux since rh 5.2 [02:42] but only got involved lately === Razor-X [n=user@user-11fa9ie.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:43] ah [02:43] hmmm? [02:44] ah red hat 5 [02:44] I started with RH 8 [02:44] brings back memories [02:44] rob^: yeah those were the days of manually configuring xfree86 [02:44] configuring sound with that command line app and hearing linus' voice [02:44] pronounce linux [02:45] yeah [02:45] Debian Woody is where I started [02:45] you had to pay for decent sound back then [02:45] what year was rh5 released again? [02:45] I had to do a floppy install [02:45] yeah [02:45] hmm 97 or 98 [02:45] I thought so [02:45] because the 486 on which I installed Debian on had it's CD removed because it had only 2 IDE ports on the motherboard [02:45] i even bought caldera open linux [02:46] but caldera was good back then [02:46] until rh 6.2 came out with E [02:46] yes, I had an "open circulation edition" of caldera [02:46] gui installers mmmm [02:46] and the game of tetris at the end [02:46] yeah haha [02:46] jeez [02:47] ok I gtg out shopping now [02:47] cys [02:47] same here [02:47] cyas [02:47] someone suggested playing games on our installer [02:47] later [02:47] Burgundavia: it was done before [02:47] ya [02:47] Burgundavia: but we only have a text installer [02:47] unless we add a typing game [02:48] add tuxracer [02:48] hehe === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:48] Burgundavia: we can also show some notes instead [02:48] yes [02:48] hi all [02:48] well k i really haveto go cya [02:50] salut Madpilot [02:50] hi Burgundavia - swearing at XP yet? [02:50] no [02:50] I have spent about 5 minutes in XP [02:51] thought you had the lappie already? [02:51] I did [02:51] I have already installed Hoary [02:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 [02:51] ah, cool. so swearing at Hoary instead? ;) [02:52] sort of [02:52] got some random crashes [02:52] yeah, just reading your reporting page [02:53] did they give the same model to more than one person? [02:53] shouldn't of [02:53] that would be a waste [02:54] no? makes it a bit harder to seperate user issues and/or hardware issues from Ubuntu-issues, then [02:55] not really [02:55] the people they have shipped the laptops to are likely to know what they are doing [02:56] true enough - any idea how many they shipped? [02:56] no idea [02:56] we will find out very soon though [02:56] going to do that to dads laptop when he gets back as well [02:56] and the other ones of dads I have sitting here [02:57] good idea. you've already tried the live CD on Dad's new sony, haven't you/ [02:57] ? [02:57] yes [02:58] but I haven't tested as thoroughly as I have this one [02:58] Dad might require some convincing to let you mess with his primary work computer... [02:58] not going to install [02:58] just test via LiveCD? [02:59] yes [03:00] why to run Linux, reason #45,354: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4745053.stm [03:02] yes [03:02] unfortunately, whoever wrote that didn't mention that those are exclusively windows issues [03:03] the Beeb used to refer to "Windows viruses" - wonder if MS coughed meaningfully? [03:03] never know [03:04] likely the reporter was different or thought they were not only writing about viruses [03:05] guess so, and of course "home computer = Windows comuter" for most ppl... [03:05] for 95% of the world [03:06] yeah. Did you see that Brazillian Ubuntu Bus article in forums? [03:06] yes [03:07] and lwn and planet.ubuntu and some mailing list I am on [03:07] yeah, I found it via planet.ubuntu too [03:08] heh - Tim Berners-Lee is a Unitarian... http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1547447,00.html?gusrc=rss [03:11] so I bought a new printer today - haven't plugged it in yet. HP Deskjet somelongnumber - linuxprinting.org gave it high marks [03:12] cool [03:12] bloody hell, now that beagle works, it is now eating all my ram again [03:12] bad dog! no more RAM! === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:08] geez [06:11] ? [06:14] beagled had eaten so much of my ram my machine basically was unresponsive [06:14] and any mono app is currently borked, so I am going to restart the machine [06:15] for the first time in how many days? [06:15] a very long time. Beagled has mostly been non-working until recently [06:16] ... why I don't do beta apps... [06:16] actually, it is only blam that does it [06:16] my current uptime is almost 3 days - damned power outage almost three days ago! ;) [06:17] you got that too? [06:17] we had it as well [06:17] "im not really an idiot, but i do play one on the internet" <-- just went past on main channel. [06:18] we've had a bunch of short power outages in the last two weeks or so [06:18] yes [06:18] quite annoying [06:18] the one when you were here, and two since then [06:18] they have affected me as well [06:18] we were the south edge of it [06:19] irritating [06:19] actually I've got to shut this machine down this weekend, I want to clear those two old drives off before I sell them [06:21] I want my old 20 back if you don't need it [06:21] I will need it for my server [06:22] ya, sure. I'm selling the other one to Cam. poor drive [06:22] ;) [06:22] assuming one or both isn't borked, of course... [06:22] reformat them both [06:22] that should mark any errors [06:23] will do - but will that work with fat32 formatting? [06:24] yes [06:24] I will be back in a second or maybe longer if my machine doesn't come back up [06:24] OK, good. === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:28] hey, it came back up and quickly [06:28] :o [06:29] but all mono apps are still borked [06:56] alright, one sort of funny blog post written [06:59] what're you drinking tonight, Burgundavia? [06:59] "great flaming sword of organization" indeed... [07:00] do you follow my rss directly? [07:00] no, I just found an old planet entry of yours and direct to your (ugly) blog [07:00] I will be moved to my own server eventually [07:01] in the meantime, can't you drop a stylesheet on your advogato blog? it needs something to cover it up! [07:01] don't think so [07:01] too bad... [07:02] relieved or releived? [07:03] i before e, except when some damn exception says otherwise, remember? [07:03] ya ya [07:03] didn't trust my thinking [07:09] I found a pic you can use for your icon-thingie on planet.ubuntu: http://www.warbard.ca/temp/uglydog.jpg [07:11] ugh [07:11] can you do some gimp-foo for me? [07:11] on the dog? sure [07:11] good XP is ugly [07:11] no [07:11] no dog pic? what on, then? [07:11] http://www.weav.bc.ca/modules.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=11&cat=0&pos=40 [07:12] s/good/god [07:12] that pic of you? with little planet-style dropshadow thingie? can do [07:12] I can even get rid of the redeye, probably [07:13] thanks [07:13] windows is even uglier with non-fisher price crap [07:13] gah [07:14] I also have 10 icons in my notification area [07:14] and you have to pay *extra money* for a 3rd party util to reskin the bugger === Madpilot goes and changes Gnome themes, just because he can... [07:15] sweet, my wireless is atheros [07:15] that means it is going to work === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === phin3as [n=phineas@cpe-204-210-17-103.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === phin3as [n=phineas@cpe-204-210-17-103.san.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === Burgundavia is slowly loosing the fight to install a game on his ubuntu laptop [08:08] s/ubuntu/xp [08:11] damn I finally made it back [08:12] sorry guys but my work on docs stopped about 2 weeks ago [08:12] and wont start again unless I can find time during college [08:12] np [08:12] RL is more important [08:14] RL? [08:14] real life [08:14] hehe true [08:15] well I am recruiting people at the local lug [08:15] but I was kinda hoping to join the laptop testing team before college started [08:15] I have a Presario 2100 Compaq [08:15] if the testing can be boiled down to something like an hour per week [08:15] joining the team needs a lot of work [08:15] I am sure I can manage [08:15] ooph [08:16] probably an hour a week would probaby be all ou would need [08:16] oh [08:16] a couple of hours at first [08:16] to test everypiece of hardware [08:16] yeah I am willing to do that [08:16] every button, etc. [08:16] then just reinstall on each new release [08:16] I have tested the crap out of this one [08:16] xev etc. [08:18] whats the process to get on the team? [08:18] you join [08:18] the part where they handed out free laptops is over [08:20] well I dont want free laptops [08:20] I already have one [08:20] how do I join? === poningru is confoozled [08:21] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam [08:21] add yourself to that page [08:21] and create a subpage [08:22] ok [08:22] see what we have done [08:23] ah ic [08:23] but what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Requests [08:23] the people down there [08:23] maybe someone should contact them [08:24] most people there seem to have their own laptops [08:24] and are willing to use it to test [08:24] sure [08:24] I just moved the page today [08:26] ah ic [08:33] poningru, what is US? [08:33] poningru, the key part about contact is that you can be reached [08:33] dont know [08:33] ah ok [08:34] [""] will link Poningru [08:34] I guess I can put up an user page [08:34] or just link to my email addy [08:34] better to create a user page [08:34] anyway about the US [08:35] the model number of the laptop is Presario 2140US [08:35] ah, ok [08:35] but there is a general model number Presario 2100 [08:35] dont know why there are two [08:35] more specific is better [08:35] I am pretty sure the US is the keyboard layout [08:35] hardware might change [08:35] but dont know about the 40 part [08:36] hmm true [08:36] the model number you want to report is the one that one would see int eh store [08:36] which is often different from the one on the bottom of the machine === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:49] sigh [08:50] I will do this tommorow === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Madpilot [n=yh728@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:05] morning [10:05] morning === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:06] hey you moved my laptop page [10:06] yes I did [10:06] read your mail [10:07] i see it [10:07] but why? [10:08] not everyone will do their laptop reports on the wiki [10:08] but the ones that do it will be easy to find [10:08] mdke, if they don't, I am certain they will be hunted down [10:08] Burgundavia, the instructions simply say "in a format which can be submitted" [10:09] yes [10:09] oh well [10:09] whatever [10:09] if you want to do the maintenance work :p [10:09] it is still your page [10:10] this makes it easy for the community to see what we are doing, the other side of laptop testing [10:11] because we can point people there when they ask how laptops work with Ubuntu [10:11] a link on LaptopTestingTeam would have achieved that [10:11] but i don't have a problem [10:11] so now do I have to do all the tests on one page? for hoary, and all the breezy releases? [10:11] i planned to do them on separate pages [10:12] you can do as you like [10:12] I think one page is better for readability === robitaille just can't wait to actually have his laptop to start testing it.... [10:13] i'm definitely gonna make several pages, one page with like 10 reports on will be insane [10:14] I was going to have 2 reports [10:14] a hoary one and a running breezy one [10:14] ah [10:14] both on the same page [10:14] no need to report every colony release [10:14] we have to test each release (colony 2, any more colonies, preview releases, final release) and then the same for breezy +1 [10:14] unless there is a regression [10:15] Burgundavia, the contract you signed says that you do [10:15] I thought you were supposed to report every colony release... [10:15] yes, but not once the next colony is out [10:15] This should be repeated for each development snapshot released, the preview release, the release candidate and the final release. [10:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingConditions [10:15] the developers only care about the latest development release [10:16] so just mention that this is against Colony XYZ in the title of the breezy section [10:16] and update as needed for each release [10:16] but you have to issue a new report for each colony; might as well keep it around for documentation sake [10:16] dude [10:16] you have to follow the instructions given [10:16] I intend to test for every release [10:17] I just don't care about whether or not Colony 2 works when colony 3 is out [10:17] nor do the developers [10:17] well you need to make the report in a format to be submitted [10:17] it is, right there! [10:17] you want to see what the latest state of my laptop, yyou can see it [10:18] no need to figure out which is newer [10:18] after the breezy is stable, that is different [10:18] then I need 3 reports [10:18] up to you [10:18] i will be following the instructions [10:18] since it doesn't hurt me to do so [10:19] honestly, telling them wireless works in 3 and was broken in 2 can be mentioned inline [10:19] doesn't need another whole report [10:19] i understand your view, but that is not what you were asked [10:21] if you read it, it merely asks you that you install the release within 2 days of a release [10:21] and that you submit the data [10:22] it doesn't say you need to keep old and useless data around [10:22] ok well as long as you submit it [10:22] I intend to [10:22] that is point of collecting it all on one page [10:22] awesome I've had emails from 2 people with help on the thinkpad [10:22] easy to see where people are at [10:23] the be honest, the wiki is probaby the best form of reporting for the developers, provided it is backed up with bug reports [10:25] mdke, robitaille how did you see yourself submitting reports? paper forms? [10:25] I would love to standardize the pages so they all look the same [10:26] I thought it was going to be by emails; with a copy on the wiki for the sake of everyone else. [10:26] wiki pages here [10:26] to whom? [10:26] not sure. [10:27] the people that are going to be fixing it read the bugzilla [10:27] to claire, mjg and mdk [10:27] and maybe the wiki [10:27] mdk/mdz [10:27] the developers really only care about what is broken [10:27] what works in for marketing [10:27] hence the standard pages [10:27] maybe this should be made clear. I don't think everyone uses the wiki. /sh reported on his laptop on his blog; and I can't rmeember seeing him editing a wiki page [10:28] I don't consider it unreasonable to make people edit a wiki page [10:29] maybe as an email to ubuntu-devel? or that would be too much spam-like? [10:29] ugh [10:29] again, the developers don't need this in their face unless it is broken [10:29] you can link to blogs on the wiki [10:29] no problem [10:29] ugh [10:29] part of this is also marketing [10:29] we need to remember that [10:30] anyway I'm going to bed; I finally found a bug to close in Malone. THat's my cue to log off :) [10:30] nice [10:30] buy this laptop because ubuntu works and we can prove it! [10:32] mdke, I had an idea for your page. If you want to keep the old reports around, keep you main page as the latest breezy and hoary [10:32] mdke, and just copy your old reports to archives [10:32] i'll see how it pans out [10:32] yes [10:32] i will put some hardware info on the main page i think [10:32] then do the reports on subpages === Burgundavia grumbles about mono [10:33] gtg need to find a house [10:33] ok [10:35] night all === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-220-22.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax9-103.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === martinald [n=martin@80.229.237.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:05] hi guys! [03:05] i posted to the ubuntu -devel list about breezy marketing and was told to join you here [03:36] anyone around? === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@info12-120.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:21] hello? [04:45] anyone around? [05:50] yeah === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jdub_ [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:20] hi guys [08:20] anyone still here? [08:22] hey martinald [08:25] hey! [08:26] how it going [08:26] not bad. [08:26] yourself? [08:27] pretty good [08:27] have you had a chance to look at the doc team wiki yet? [08:31] i'm looking at it now [08:32] k, cool [08:36] so what's needing the most attention [08:38] well, the faqguide, rob^ and i work on and it almost done, but feel free to work on anything you would like to [08:38] i jump around abit and work on many different things [08:38] um, the about-ubunt and release notes still need some more updating... [08:39] additionally if you have marking type stuff you want to do, make a wiki page for it called something like MarketingSpec and start putting your ideas there [08:39] so we can all see it and start helping you with it [08:39] right, will do. [08:41] i have to run to the store... will be back in a little bit, see you later [08:42] ok [08:42] cya === Razor-X [n=user@user-11fabkj.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyMarketing is my first effort === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-66-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc