[12:02] remembering could get hard [12:02] nah, you need to use it as some kind of inspiration [12:02] and not to mention confusion of gf [12:03] Mithrandir: naming hosts? :-) === siretart loves this gnome-app-install :) [12:03] siretart++ :-) [12:03] Nafallo: vawad, aija, aine, thosu, yiwaz are some of the names I've come up with [12:04] Mithrandir: from pwgen? [12:04] yeah [12:04] lol [12:04] I thought they had deeper meaning ;-) [12:05] siretart, glad to hear it :) [12:05] niran: this was your job? [12:05] yep [12:05] niran: YOU ROCK!! [12:05] :) thanks [12:06] niran: just a small question, I wondered why londonlaw is in the list. the readme tells, that the .desktop file needs to have an entry X-AppInstall-Package [12:06] i add those fields [12:06] niran: londonlaw doesn't have that in .desktop file, but is selectable [12:06] ah [12:06] i make a local mirror then run a script to get all the icons and .desktop files, and add the appropriate fields [12:07] niran: and another remark: I see mplayer in the list, but only the version for athlon, not for pentium. is this intended? [12:07] i saw that and never really thought about it, but i think i recognize the problem now [12:07] multiple packages have the same .desktop filename [12:08] so it's being overwritten [12:08] with the last one being the athlon version [12:09] http://studhome.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/ubuntu/moagg-data_0.18-1_0.18-1build1.debdiff (moagg doesn't need to be rebuilt at all) [12:10] why is mplayer packaged like that anyway? i don't think there's a good solution to this problem, other than putting different .desktop files for each arch [12:11] niran: mplayer was imported from marillat [12:12] siretart, ah. i think i'll probably end up having to remove it from the list [12:12] and it's currently broken, at least for me === kezz [n=kezz@user-561.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:13] niran: I think that would be the best solution anyway for the moment. we have totem and xine as alternatives === kezz [n=kezz@user-561.l1.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:15] hi everyone [12:16] hi Tonio [12:21] wah londonlaw isn't installable atm anyway. :( [12:21] niran: just another suggestion, I find the error message of gnome-app-install quite confusing when it comes to installing packages with unmet deps === goedson [n=goedson@BHE048159.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] siretart, what does it say? === goedson [n=goedson@BHE048159.res-com.wayinternet.com.br] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [12:25] niran: its localized. It tells that changes could not be applied, please fix problems with defective problems for yourself [12:25] niran: the thing is, that packages with unmet dependencies are always a bug, which needs to be fixed by us [12:26] and, well. for the case of londonlaw, I'm on my way fixing it. so that message was indeed appropriate for me :) [12:27] hehe [12:34] hehe [12:37] hi Nafallo [12:39] hi rbelem :-). how's life? :-) === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [12:40] Nafallo: heeheh it's going nice [12:40] same here :-) [12:40] Nafallo: ,-) [12:40] I might have just sold my router :-) [12:42] Nafallo: here... i take internet conection from my neighboor a cable with 30 meters hehehehe [12:42] :-P [12:43] adslmodem <-> server/router/firewall <-> switch <-> clients/ap [12:43] :-) [12:44] Nafallo: :-) [12:44] Nafallo: I have two questions ... === tseng has modem - cisco firewall - router- switch [12:45] Nafallo: the first is about MuSE and its integration with lame [12:45] hmm, what's MuSE? [12:46] muse is "Multiple Streaming Engine" [12:47] muse.dyne.org [12:48] Nafallo: it do not depends lame that is in multiverse [12:48] anyone seen mez [12:49] Nafallo: but for mp3 streaming lame is needed [12:50] Nafallo, tseng: internet connection here is very expensive... [12:51] tseng: just popped up on jabber === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] I'm not sure about that question [12:52] I believe we can dep on stuff from multiverse [12:52] just as main can dep on restricted [12:53] hm it can? [12:53] cool ;) [12:53] gn8, folks [12:53] tseng: not sure. not build-dep, but dep? [12:54] either sounds bad [12:54] hmm [12:54] but what do I know [12:54] rbelem: no one knows ;-) [12:55] heheheeh ;) [12:55] Nafallo: i think it's better to build whithout lame support [12:56] rbelem: you could always change it later :-) === sistpoty is off to bed... gn8 all [12:57] rbelem: or put muse in multiverse? [12:58] Nafallo: hum... i'll ask some friends that use muse for streaming, it they really need mp3 support [12:59] rbelem: they can use ogg or something :-) [12:59] Nafallo: it's better for their ,-) [01:01] Nafallo: and the other question is about upstream version number... [01:02] Nafallo: sometimes the upstream version is only -1 [01:03] Nafallo: and the next release -1.1 and the next is only -2 [01:03] yes? [01:04] Nafallo: what version can i put... 2.0.0? or just 2.0? [01:05] oh... and another version was 1.1-1 [01:05] they use - upstream? [01:05] yes [01:06] I guess 1.1-1-0ubuntu1 or something, but you should ask tseng or someone :-) [01:07] what I said looks damn crackful :-P [01:07] - in upstream versions is just fine [01:07] 1.1-1-0ubuntu1 is fine [01:07] it looks crackful, but it could be worse [01:07] it's an upstream version of 1.1-1 and a revision of 0ubuntu1 [01:07] heheheh [01:07] such as making up your own version [01:07] Mithrandir: hi mentor! I thought you where asleep ages ago ;-) [01:07] Nafallo: Mithrandir is immortal. [01:07] Nafallo: I'm just trying to make up my mind wrt what monitor to buy. [01:08] :D [01:08] tseng: even if I were, I'd still need to sleep. ;-) [01:08] Mithrandir: monitor? wasn't it a case you wanted? ;-) [01:08] Nafallo: I've decided on that, now I'm onto the LCD. [01:08] Mithrandir: hehe :-) [01:08] i love the Apple [01:08] but being pure digital causes a few niggling issues [01:08] I'm going to get dualhead. [01:09] Mithrandir: you will have to show me the complete spec when you're finished ;-) === Nikopol [n=mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] Nafallo: obviously === Nafallo misses Oslo :-P [01:11] siretart, that error that you got was from synaptic [01:11] siretart, the actual package installation is done by synaptic === rbelem is now known as rbelem-afk === Nikopol [n=mambo@i-195-137-15-67.freedom2surf.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] tseng, I cannot seem to gdb blam === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax6-015.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@24-117-17-230.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:43] Burgundavia: its a challenge, for sure. [01:44] tseng, is it possible? [01:45] possible, yes [01:45] useful, the jury is out [01:45] its probably not as bad as muine [01:46] try [01:46] exec-file /usr/bin/mono /usr/lib/blam/blam.exe [01:46] run [01:47] and go from there [01:48] says "usage is mono ....." but doesn't accept mono and "Program exited with code 01. [01:48] " [01:48] works for me? [01:48] gah [01:49] oh until there [01:49] hth did I do this === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port162-112.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:49] did you try dumping core [01:49] and running on that? [01:50] nope [01:50] that would be one of those things I have never learned how to do [01:50] ulimit -c unlimited allows dumping core [01:50] trigger segfault, core will be dumped in pwd [01:50] then gdb the corefile [01:51] ok [01:51] morning [01:52] hi andrew [01:52] I hate waking up to find that DSL was down [01:52] ajmitch_, morning. I had to fight hard to get inkscape. Glad it built! [01:53] good night everybody :) and good morning ajmitch_ [01:54] oh wow you really cleaned my mess in f-spot trunk [01:54] I suck [01:54] I've got this bad habit of writing verbose changelogs now === Mez will be away for the next 3 weeks [01:54] never used to [01:54] (aka I just bought World of Warcraft) [01:54] Mez: holiday? [01:54] haha [01:55] oh man [01:55] :D [01:55] Mez: whats up with ifolder? [01:55] tseng ... ? [01:55] Mez: news? === Burgundavia is worried that they has a windows install he has to keep... [01:55] tseng: apparently, we wont be able to build it and distribute it anyways [01:55] right [01:55] Mez: reasons? [01:55] id sort of like to ahve packages, in some form === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487FCA5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] ajmitch_: gpl code linking to non gpl libs [01:56] libflaim = non-distributable via novells licence [01:56] ah [01:56] Burgundavia, ... ? [01:56] evil [01:56] yip [01:56] someone mailed me bout it IIRC [01:56] I did [01:56] Mez, I have one of the laptop testing machines. I currently don't dual boot on my home machine [01:56] Burgundavia, why do you have windows at all? [01:57] Mez, canonical wants it for baseline [01:57] tseng: a pity that I didn't get f-spot ready & a main inclusion report written by freeze [01:57] Mez: dual-boot & installation testing [01:57] ajmitch_: hm im not sure its stable enough on all platforms [01:57] still [01:58] probably not, looking at the debian bugs [01:58] tseng: it was you who told me about flaim [01:58] Mez: yes [01:58] I haven't come across the crashes that are reported [01:58] im not a heavy user [01:58] but ive not crashed it recently [02:00] hm pbuilder clean wreaks havoc on beagled [02:00] nice [02:00] hah, kaffe has that __libc_stack_end issue as well, according to #d-d [02:00] we fixed that with just a rebuild, iirc [02:00] no? [02:00] yeah, they use it in the source [02:01] oh rock on [02:01] they can probably get away with a rebuild as well === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable116.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] no mail back from jose yet [02:01] damn, dsl line has been upgraded, but the ISP hasn't caught up [02:02] where can I add suggestions for some new packagings? [02:03] UniverseCandidates page on the wiki [02:03] k thanks [02:03] 2104 brandon 16 0 708m 352m 3852 S 97.1 69.9 11:19.44 mono [02:03] GO BEAGLED [02:03] nice [02:04] I haven't seen mine go above 150MB for awhile [02:04] well, dont remove a few thousand files on inotify backend [02:04] it makes you feel better about deferring for main [02:04] it will trigger an event on every one [02:04] it does, i can do more work now [02:04] deliver a better product [02:06] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320867 [02:06] nice, debian bts tracks blocking bugs now [02:08] hm they file bugs for transitions [02:09] yes, to keep the packages out of testing until fixed [02:09] and it's a good way of notifiying package maintainers === rbelem-afk is now known as rbelem === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@info1-107.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:33] Burgundavia: ah, good idea to rearrange the laptop testing team page :) [02:34] ajmitch_, it needed to be done. Glad I get some good feedback on it [02:35] I think that people were going to just keep adding their name to it === ajmitch_ added his name the other day, just for completeness :) === seth_k [n=seth@24-117-17-230.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] I dont want to add a big warning about not adding names, as Canonical might do another round for Breezy+1 [02:39] siretart: nope but am now [02:43] hey everyone! [02:43] hi [02:43] whiprush, salut, you wanted me? [02:44] ? [02:44] ah, yes. [02:44] I was wondering how you felt about putting something in the breezy forum, something like "Instead of writing a 45 minute diatribe on what you think needs to be fixed, please file it in bugzilla instead." [02:45] sure [02:45] and point to ideapool as well [02:45] I get the feeling people think that devs read that forum. [02:45] yes [02:45] I am trying to dispel that, but it doesn't work [02:46] sometimes people post like 3 page things [02:46] I want to be a smartass and say "Who are you talking to?" [02:46] heh [02:46] that just makes us look bad [02:46] I just end up closing the tab. [02:46] also, a link to the schedule and goals page wouldn't be bad. [02:46] we need to cleanup the idea pool before we do that [02:47] might curb those "how is featureX coming along?" [02:47] also to UniverseNewWhatever [02:47] goals is often wrong though [02:47] it's general enough to answer some of those questions. === Burgundavia trying to resist the urge to boot into windows on the new laptop and play games [02:48] haha [02:49] Burgundavia : play ut2004 on linux with an nvidia card... [02:49] whiprush: THE FRIDGE [02:49] :) [02:49] jsgotangco: things are falling into place. [02:49] Got a server, etc. etc. [02:50] [ WIP ] [02:50] thierry, nah, I am a Civ 3 kinda guy [02:50] civ 2 >> civ 3 [02:50] Westnoth owned me last night [02:50] whiprush, as soon as you have a fridge, I have stuff to put in it [02:51] Burgundavia: yes, I need to round up newshounds like yourself. [02:51] So we can have a nice consistant flow of news. [02:51] whiprush, how did you know I was a newshound? [02:51] Burgundavia: I see you post everywhere. [02:52] whiprush, that isn't true. There are some mailing lists I don't follow [02:52] what timezone are you in? [02:52] bye... thanks... good night ;-) [02:52] whiprush, -7, Canada, West Coast [02:52] k [02:54] hey whiprush [02:54] hey aj [02:54] bye dentist time [02:54] siretart: so... if it says xlibmesa-gl-dev, they dont need to be changed? [02:55] anyone could check ubuntu bug 13416 ? [02:56] I've just opened it with a patch and this touch pbuilder (in touch with the MOTU team) [02:58] siretart: among other things libgl1-xorg-dev and xlibmesa-gl-dev conflict which i sa bit ugly if you wanted to have build-deps for both installed at the same time [03:00] Lathiat: isn't libgl1-xorg-dev deprecated now for breezy? === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] hey guys === jabra [n=jabra@polish.ccs.neu.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:06] hi jabra [03:06] working on updating my wireless tool before I get it packaged for ubuntu [03:07] the wireless tool I am working on is getwifi [03:08] nah [03:08] we talked to daniels/infinity yesterday [03:13] Lathiat: right, and I thought it went to libgl1-mesa-dev now? === ajmitch_ could be quite wrong, of course [03:13] nah thats glu [03:13] libglu1-mesa-dev, libgl1-xorg-dev [03:13] crackful [03:14] yeh [03:14] apparently its all going to change again [03:14] but we're supposed to do this one step at a time in case we dont get there [03:14] or something [03:14] ah right, I remember infinity saying that it would all change [03:14] lots of fun for us [03:14] yeh [03:14] but now im confused [03:14] heh [03:14] cus siretarts saying not to change the xlibmesa-gl-dev ones [03:14] and im not sure thats right [03:15] while they still build [03:15] look over the logs === seth_k [n=seth@24-117-17-230.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:05] ok, just installed pbuilder and I'd like to get on an easy job : first time with packaging and all that stuff, could anyone point me something? === bur[n] er [n=norml@c-67-173-243-73.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Mez may just install w9x [04:06] mez : what is that? [04:07] thierry, Windowz 98 [04:07] ajmitch_: question...do you think it makes any sense at all to have apt-spy in the gnome menu? [04:09] Mez : and why would I want the ugly windowz 98 when I got this beautifull ubuntu! [04:09] thierry, because cedega doesnt like me [04:10] Mez : ho but I don't like cedega ;) no seriously I don't have w9x so any other idea? [04:11] bmonty: not really [04:11] thierry, wha? [04:11] I was on about me installing it not you [04:11] ajmitch_: so it would be correct for the desktop file to just say "hidden=true" woudn't you think [04:12] also the program is kinda useless without a list of ubuntu mirrors to go with it, and ubuntu doesn't supply the list in the format that apt-spy wants :( [04:12] Mez : sorry [04:12] bmonty: yeah [04:12] anyone know if there's an ubuntu backports irc channel? === bur[n] er is hoping for rhythmbox .9 :) [04:12] I'll try fixing the dependencies for ace === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] is there a syntax for changelogs to close bugs in malone? === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:39] bmonty: nope, no auto closing yet === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-65-26-216-107.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-117-160.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-219.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-104-117-160.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === dandelion [n=dandy@AStrasbourg-208-1-7-155.w81-248.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:15] hello === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax6-086.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === aisipos [n=aisipos@dsl081-081-225.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k [n=seth@24-117-17-230.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja [n=Natja@163.185-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:15] morning [09:16] hi siretart [09:16] Lathiat: ajmitch_: ah, the gl/glu transition. The thing is, there are many packages which build as they are. I don't think we should touch them, because the cause unnecessary merging work later [09:17] siretart: agreed, merge work is tedious & a waste of time if it wasn't necessary [09:17] siretart: wrong [09:17] siretart: xlibmeas-gl-dev is no longer in the archives [09:17] siretart: infinity said its wrong [09:17] siretart: my understanding is that it wont build in the buildd === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:18] thats right [09:18] those really need to be rebuilt [09:18] so it needs changing [09:18] from xlibmesa-gl-dev [09:18] because that no longer exists [09:18] the buildd doesn't handle only virtual build-deps, iirc [09:18] right [09:18] and having a pure virtual package upsets them [09:19] lets take an example package: alsaplayer [09:20] it has builddeps "xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev" [09:20] yesterday, it could be built in by amd64/pbuilder, because there is a package in the archive which provides libgl-dev [09:20] siretart: pbuilder != buildd [09:20] that's the issue we have [09:21] hm, right [09:22] so you think we should touch them even when there is a binary package in the archive? [09:23] if the binary is there, it might be good to leave them until after the next round of changes [09:23] ok. exactly that was what I ment with 'Packages which are ok [09:23] will improve the headline, then [09:26] this more clear/better? === infinito [n=infinito@75.Red-80-59-227.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:49] good morning [09:50] hi SloMo_ [09:53] hi SloMo_ === Kaloz_ [n=kaloz@arrakis.dune.hu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja_ [n=Natja@253-41.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] siretart: so we want to leave xlibmesa-gl-dev for now? === herve [n=hcauweli@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:52] hello [10:54] Lathiat: I'd suggest that we concentrate on broken packages. We can 'fix' the remaining packages later, when we have time [10:54] left === _koke [n=koke@169.Red-217-127-113.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:00] generating a good list now [11:00] ok === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:01] say, does anyone noticed something weird with sdl? [11:01] I get a error SDL.h not found, but it is in /usr/lib/SDL/SDL.h [11:01] Include path seem to be sane, too === siretart confused again :/ === Amaranth [n=travis@unaffiliated/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] none of them are unintsallable due to gl deps [11:04] might be some without a new built version tho [11:04] and a handful that have other unmet deps [11:05] http://bur.st/~lathiat/glutrans [11:05] anything not on that list installs [11:06] ok. so we should concentrate on the packages in the list below [11:06] right [11:06] ill work from the bottom [11:06] its really just unmet dep stuff [11:06] in general [11:07] so after these i'll go tearing through whatever else i can find, i'll start with libgmp3 as there seems to be alot of those [11:07] libgmp3 has been renamed to libgmp3c2 [11:07] because of cxx transition [11:07] yeh which is just a rebuild [11:08] so this package has a build1 for c++ abi, if i rebuild without any changes for fltk should i do build2 / [11:08] the problem is with ghc6, that it needs to be bootstrapped, which is rather difficult, because ghc6 is not installable anymore :/ [11:08] yeh [11:08] and ghc6 needs gcc-4.0 love :/ [11:08] ah [11:08] fark [11:08] which reminds me, is ghc6.1 already released? [11:08] fedora might have patches? [11:08] no, they compile with gcc-3.4 [11:08] debian waits for new upstream release [11:09] oh i thought they went to gcc4 [11:09] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319222 [11:11] siretart: fc4 uses gcc4 === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:16] Lathiat: huh? interesting. how did they manage that? [11:16] whats difficult about it? [11:16] there are build failures [11:16] oh you mean in this specific case [11:16] they might have patched it [11:16] i dont know [11:17] maybe they dont have ghc [11:17] http://haskell.org/fedora/haskell/4/x86_64/repodata/repoview/ghc-0-6.4.1.20050626-0.html [11:18] Lathiat: where do you read fedora uses gcc4 for ghc6? this pages rather tells they are using gcc3.2! [11:18] *cough* [11:18] i didnt say they were using it for ghc6 [11:18] i meant in general [11:18] in general, yes [11:18] hence i said they *might* have patches. :) [11:18] i guess they dont :) [11:19] :) [11:19] damn [11:20] scorched3d is a 25M source package [11:20] I hope not native [11:20] but thats a great game, we definitly should have it :) [11:20] dunno [11:20] find out soon [11:20] when it gets past downloading this 24.3M tar :) [11:21] damn and poker3d is 27.1M [11:21] ffs how much can you put into a poker game === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:33] wtf [11:33] when i debuild -S poker3d [11:33] it runs configure [11:33] and bails out because it cant find glEnable in -lGL [11:34] I running in even more interesting problems with sdl! [11:34] heh [11:38] maybe nvidia-glx is interfering === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:39] yeh [11:39]