[12:02] <siretart> remembering could get hard
[12:02] <Mithrandir> nah, you need to use it as some kind of inspiration
[12:02] <siretart> and not to mention confusion of gf
[12:03] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: naming hosts? :-)
[12:03] <Nafallo> siretart++ :-)
[12:03] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: vawad, aija, aine, thosu, yiwaz are some of the names I've come up with
[12:04] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: from pwgen?
[12:04] <Mithrandir> yeah
[12:04] <Nafallo> lol
[12:04] <Nafallo> I thought they had deeper meaning ;-)
[12:05] <niran> siretart, glad to hear it :)
[12:05] <siretart> niran: this was your job?
[12:05] <niran> yep
[12:05] <siretart> niran: YOU ROCK!!
[12:05] <niran> :) thanks
[12:06] <siretart> niran: just a small question, I wondered why londonlaw is in the list. the readme tells, that the .desktop file needs to have an entry X-AppInstall-Package
[12:06] <niran> i add those fields
[12:06] <siretart> niran: londonlaw doesn't have that in .desktop file, but is selectable
[12:06] <siretart> ah
[12:06] <niran> i make a local mirror then run a script to get all the icons and .desktop files, and add the appropriate fields
[12:07] <siretart> niran: and another remark: I see mplayer in the list, but only the version for athlon, not for pentium. is this intended?
[12:07] <niran> i saw that and never really thought about it, but i think i recognize the problem now
[12:07] <niran> multiple packages have the same .desktop filename
[12:08] <niran> so it's being overwritten
[12:08] <niran> with the last one being the athlon version
[12:09] <sistpoty> http://studhome.rrze.uni-erlangen.de/~sistpoty/ubuntu/moagg-data_0.18-1_0.18-1build1.debdiff (moagg doesn't need to be rebuilt at all)
[12:10] <niran> why is mplayer packaged like that anyway? i don't think there's a good solution to this problem, other than putting different .desktop files for each arch
[12:11] <siretart> niran: mplayer was imported from marillat
[12:12] <niran> siretart, ah. i think i'll probably end up having to remove it from the list
[12:12] <sistpoty> and it's currently broken, at least for me
[12:13] <siretart> niran: I think that would be the best solution anyway for the moment. we have totem and xine as alternatives
[12:15] <Tonio> hi everyone
[12:16] <sistpoty> hi Tonio
[12:21] <siretart> wah londonlaw isn't installable atm anyway. :(
[12:21] <siretart> niran: just another suggestion, I find the error message of gnome-app-install quite confusing when it comes to installing packages with unmet deps
[12:22] <niran> siretart, what does it say?
[12:25] <siretart> niran: its localized. It tells that changes could not be applied, please fix problems with defective problems for yourself
[12:25] <siretart> niran: the thing is, that packages with unmet dependencies are always a bug, which needs to be fixed by us
[12:26] <siretart> and, well. for the case of londonlaw, I'm on my way fixing it. so that message was indeed appropriate for me :)
[12:27] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:34] <Nafallo> hehe
[12:37] <rbelem> hi Nafallo
[12:39] <Nafallo> hi rbelem :-). how's life? :-)
[12:40] <rbelem> Nafallo: heeheh it's going nice
[12:40] <Nafallo> same here :-)
[12:40] <rbelem> Nafallo: ,-)
[12:40] <Nafallo> I might have just sold my router :-)
[12:42] <rbelem> Nafallo: here... i take internet conection from my neighboor a cable with 30 meters hehehehe
[12:42] <Nafallo> :-P
[12:43] <Nafallo> adslmodem <-> server/router/firewall <-> switch <-> clients/ap
[12:43] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:44] <rbelem> Nafallo: :-)
[12:44] <rbelem> Nafallo: I have two questions ...
[12:45] <rbelem> Nafallo: the first is about MuSE and its integration with lame
[12:45] <Nafallo> hmm, what's MuSE?
[12:46] <rbelem> muse is "Multiple Streaming Engine"
[12:47] <rbelem> muse.dyne.org
[12:48] <rbelem> Nafallo: it do not depends lame that is in multiverse
[12:48] <tseng> anyone seen mez
[12:49] <rbelem> Nafallo: but for mp3 streaming lame is needed
[12:50] <rbelem> Nafallo, tseng: internet connection here is very expensive...
[12:51] <Nafallo> tseng: just popped up on jabber
[12:52] <Nafallo> I'm not sure about that question
[12:52] <Nafallo> I believe we can dep on stuff from multiverse
[12:52] <Nafallo> just as main can dep on restricted
[12:53] <tseng> hm it can?
[12:53] <rbelem> cool ;)
[12:53] <siretart> gn8, folks
[12:53] <Nafallo> tseng: not sure. not build-dep, but dep?
[12:54] <tseng> either sounds bad
[12:54] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:54] <tseng> but what do I know
[12:54] <Nafallo> rbelem: no one knows ;-)
[12:55] <rbelem> heheheeh ;)
[12:55] <rbelem> Nafallo: i think it's better to build whithout lame support
[12:56] <Nafallo> rbelem: you could always change it later :-)
[12:57] <Nafallo> rbelem: or put muse in multiverse?
[12:58] <rbelem> Nafallo: hum... i'll ask some friends that use muse for streaming, it they really need mp3 support
[12:59] <Nafallo> rbelem: they can use ogg or something :-)
[12:59] <rbelem> Nafallo: it's better for their ,-)
[01:01] <rbelem> Nafallo: and the other question is about upstream version number...
[01:02] <rbelem> Nafallo: sometimes the upstream version is only -1
[01:03] <rbelem> Nafallo: and the next release -1.1 and the next is only -2
[01:03] <Nafallo> yes?
[01:04] <rbelem> Nafallo: what version can i put... 2.0.0? or just 2.0?
[01:05] <rbelem> oh... and another version was 1.1-1
[01:05] <Nafallo> they use - upstream?
[01:05] <rbelem> yes
[01:06] <Nafallo> I guess 1.1-1-0ubuntu1 or something, but you should ask tseng or someone :-)
[01:07] <Nafallo> what I said looks damn crackful :-P
[01:07] <Mithrandir> - in upstream versions is just fine
[01:07] <Mithrandir> 1.1-1-0ubuntu1 is fine
[01:07] <tseng> it looks crackful, but it could be worse
[01:07] <Mithrandir> it's an upstream version of 1.1-1 and a revision of 0ubuntu1
[01:07] <rbelem> heheheh
[01:07] <tseng> such as making up your own version
[01:07] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: hi mentor! I thought you where asleep ages ago ;-)
[01:07] <tseng> Nafallo: Mithrandir is immortal.
[01:07] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I'm just trying to make up my mind wrt what monitor to buy.
[01:08] <rbelem> :D
[01:08] <Mithrandir> tseng: even if I were, I'd still need to sleep. ;-)
[01:08] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: monitor? wasn't it a case you wanted? ;-)
[01:08] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: I've decided on that, now I'm onto the LCD.
[01:08] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: hehe :-)
[01:08] <tseng> i love the Apple
[01:08] <tseng> but being pure digital causes a few niggling issues
[01:08] <Mithrandir> I'm going to get dualhead.
[01:09] <Nafallo> Mithrandir: you will have to show me the complete spec when you're finished ;-)
[01:09] <Mithrandir> Nafallo: obviously
[01:11] <niran> siretart, that error that you got was from synaptic
[01:11] <niran> siretart, the actual package installation is done by synaptic
[01:32] <Burgundavia> tseng, I cannot seem to gdb blam
[01:43] <tseng> Burgundavia: its a challenge, for sure.
[01:44] <Burgundavia> tseng, is it possible?
[01:45] <tseng> possible, yes
[01:45] <tseng> useful, the jury is out
[01:45] <tseng> its probably not as bad as muine
[01:46] <tseng> try
[01:46] <tseng> exec-file /usr/bin/mono /usr/lib/blam/blam.exe
[01:46] <tseng> run
[01:47] <tseng> and go from there
[01:48] <Burgundavia> says "usage is mono ....." but doesn't accept mono and "Program exited with code 01.
[01:48] <Burgundavia> "
[01:48] <tseng> works for me?
[01:48] <Burgundavia> gah
[01:49] <tseng> oh until there
[01:49] <tseng> hth did I do this
[01:49] <tseng> did you try dumping core
[01:49] <tseng> and running on that?
[01:50] <Burgundavia> nope
[01:50] <Burgundavia> that would be one of those things I have never learned how to do
[01:50] <tseng> ulimit -c unlimited allows dumping core
[01:50] <tseng> trigger segfault, core will be dumped in pwd
[01:50] <tseng> then gdb the corefile
[01:51] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:51] <ajmitch_> morning
[01:52] <tseng> hi andrew
[01:52] <ajmitch_> I hate waking up to find that DSL was down
[01:52] <Burgundavia> ajmitch_, morning. I had to fight hard to get inkscape. Glad it built!
[01:53] <SloMoSnail> good night everybody :) and good morning ajmitch_
[01:54] <tseng> oh wow you really cleaned my mess in f-spot trunk
[01:54] <tseng> I suck
[01:54] <ajmitch_> I've got this bad habit of writing verbose changelogs now
[01:54] <ajmitch_> never used to
[01:54] <Mez> (aka I just bought World of Warcraft)
[01:54] <ajmitch_> Mez: holiday?
[01:54] <ajmitch_> haha
[01:55] <tseng> oh man
[01:55] <Mez> :D
[01:55] <tseng> Mez: whats up with ifolder?
[01:55] <Mez> tseng ... ?
[01:55] <tseng> Mez: news?
[01:55] <Mez> tseng: apparently, we wont be able to build it and distribute it anyways
[01:55] <tseng> right
[01:55] <ajmitch_> Mez: reasons?
[01:55] <tseng> id sort of like to ahve packages, in some form
[01:55] <tseng> ajmitch_: gpl code linking to non gpl libs
[01:56] <Mez> libflaim = non-distributable via novells licence
[01:56] <ajmitch_> ah
[01:56] <Mez> Burgundavia,  ... ?
[01:56] <ajmitch_> evil
[01:56] <Mez> yip
[01:56] <Mez> someone mailed me bout it IIRC
[01:56] <tseng> I did
[01:56] <Burgundavia> Mez, I have one of the laptop testing machines. I currently don't dual boot on my home machine
[01:56] <Mez> Burgundavia, why do you have windows at all?
[01:57] <Burgundavia> Mez, canonical wants it for baseline
[01:57] <ajmitch_> tseng: a pity that I didn't get f-spot ready & a main inclusion report written by freeze
[01:57] <ajmitch_> Mez: dual-boot & installation testing
[01:57] <tseng> ajmitch_: hm im not sure its stable enough on all platforms
[01:57] <tseng> still
[01:58] <ajmitch_> probably not, looking at the debian bugs
[01:58] <Mez> tseng: it was you who told me about flaim
[01:58] <tseng> Mez: yes
[01:58] <ajmitch_> I haven't come across the crashes that are reported
[01:58] <tseng> im not a heavy user
[01:58] <tseng> but ive not crashed it recently
[02:00] <tseng> hm pbuilder clean wreaks havoc on beagled
[02:00] <tseng> nice
[02:00] <ajmitch_> hah, kaffe has that __libc_stack_end issue as well, according to #d-d
[02:00] <tseng> we fixed that with just a rebuild, iirc
[02:00] <tseng> no?
[02:00] <ajmitch_> yeah, they use it in the source
[02:01] <tseng> oh rock on
[02:01] <ajmitch_> they can probably get away with a rebuild as well
[02:01] <tseng> no mail back from jose yet
[02:01] <ajmitch_> damn, dsl line has been upgraded, but the ISP hasn't caught up
[02:02] <thierry> where can I add suggestions for some new packagings?
[02:03] <ajmitch_> UniverseCandidates page on the wiki
[02:03] <thierry> k thanks
[02:03] <tseng>  2104 brandon   16   0  708m 352m 3852 S 97.1 69.9  11:19.44 mono
[02:03] <tseng> GO BEAGLED
[02:03] <ajmitch_> nice
[02:04] <ajmitch_> I haven't seen mine go above 150MB for awhile
[02:04] <tseng> well, dont remove a few thousand files on inotify backend
[02:04] <ajmitch_> it makes you feel better about deferring for main
[02:04] <tseng> it will trigger an event on every one
[02:04] <tseng> it does, i can do more work now
[02:04] <tseng> deliver a better product
[02:06] <ajmitch_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320867
[02:06] <ajmitch_> nice, debian bts tracks blocking bugs now
[02:08] <tseng> hm they file bugs for transitions
[02:09] <ajmitch_> yes, to keep the packages out of testing until fixed
[02:09] <ajmitch_> and it's a good way of notifiying package maintainers
[02:33] <ajmitch_> Burgundavia: ah, good idea to rearrange the laptop testing team page :)
[02:34] <Burgundavia> ajmitch_, it needed to be done. Glad I get some good feedback on it
[02:35] <ajmitch_> I think that people were going to just keep adding their name to it
[02:39] <Burgundavia> I dont want to add a big warning about not adding names, as Canonical might do another round for Breezy+1
[02:39] <Lathiat> siretart: nope but am now
[02:43] <whiprush> hey everyone!
[02:43] <tseng> hi
[02:43] <Burgundavia> whiprush, salut, you wanted me?
[02:44] <whiprush> ?
[02:44] <whiprush> ah, yes.
[02:44] <whiprush> I was wondering how you felt about putting something in the breezy forum, something like "Instead of writing a 45 minute diatribe on what you think needs to be fixed, please file it in bugzilla instead."
[02:45] <Burgundavia> sure
[02:45] <Burgundavia> and point to ideapool as well
[02:45] <whiprush> I get the feeling people think that devs read that forum.
[02:45] <Burgundavia> yes
[02:45] <Burgundavia> I am trying to dispel that, but it doesn't work
[02:46] <whiprush> sometimes people post like 3 page things
[02:46] <whiprush> I want to be a smartass and say "Who are you talking to?"
[02:46] <whiprush> heh
[02:46] <Burgundavia> that just makes us look bad
[02:46] <whiprush> I just end up closing the tab.
[02:46] <whiprush> also, a link to the schedule and goals page wouldn't be bad.
[02:46] <Burgundavia> we need to cleanup the idea pool before we do that
[02:47] <whiprush> might curb those "how is featureX coming along?"
[02:47] <Burgundavia> also to UniverseNewWhatever
[02:47] <Burgundavia> goals is often wrong though
[02:47] <whiprush> it's general enough to answer some of those questions.
[02:48] <Lathiat> haha
[02:49] <thierry> Burgundavia : play ut2004 on linux with an nvidia card...
[02:49] <jsgotangco> whiprush: THE FRIDGE
[02:49] <jsgotangco> :)
[02:49] <whiprush> jsgotangco: things are falling into place.
[02:49] <whiprush> Got a server, etc. etc.
[02:50] <whiprush> [ WIP ] 
[02:50] <Burgundavia> thierry, nah, I am a Civ 3 kinda guy
[02:50] <tseng> civ 2 >> civ 3
[02:50] <jsgotangco> Westnoth owned me last night
[02:50] <Burgundavia> whiprush, as soon as you have a fridge, I have stuff to put in it
[02:51] <whiprush> Burgundavia: yes, I need to round up newshounds like yourself.
[02:51] <whiprush> So we can have a nice consistant flow of news.
[02:51] <Burgundavia> whiprush, how did you know I was a newshound?
[02:51] <whiprush> Burgundavia: I see you post everywhere.
[02:52] <Burgundavia> whiprush, that isn't true. There are some mailing lists I don't follow
[02:52] <whiprush> what timezone are you in?
[02:52] <rbelem> bye... thanks... good night ;-)
[02:52] <Burgundavia> whiprush, -7, Canada, West Coast
[02:52] <whiprush> k
[02:54] <ajmitch_> hey whiprush
[02:54] <whiprush> hey aj
[02:54] <jsgotangco> bye dentist time
[02:54] <Lathiat> siretart: so... if it says xlibmesa-gl-dev, they dont need to be changed?
[02:55] <thierry> anyone could check ubuntu bug 13416 ?
[02:56] <thierry> I've just opened it with a patch and this touch pbuilder (in touch with the MOTU team)
[02:58] <Lathiat> siretart: among other things libgl1-xorg-dev and xlibmesa-gl-dev conflict which i sa bit ugly if you wanted to have build-deps for both installed at the same time
[03:00] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: isn't libgl1-xorg-dev deprecated now for breezy?
[03:03] <jabra> hey guys
[03:06] <ajmitch_>  hi jabra
[03:06] <jabra> working on updating my wireless tool before I get it packaged for ubuntu
[03:07] <jabra> the wireless tool I am working on is getwifi
[03:08] <Lathiat> nah
[03:08] <Lathiat> we talked to daniels/infinity yesterday
[03:13] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: right, and I thought it went to libgl1-mesa-dev now?
[03:13] <Lathiat> nah thats glu
[03:13] <Lathiat> libglu1-mesa-dev, libgl1-xorg-dev
[03:13] <ajmitch_> crackful
[03:14] <Lathiat> yeh
[03:14] <Lathiat> apparently its all going to change again
[03:14] <Lathiat> but we're supposed to do this one step at a time in case we dont get there
[03:14] <Lathiat> or something
[03:14] <ajmitch_> ah right, I remember infinity saying that it would all change
[03:14] <ajmitch_> lots of fun for us
[03:14] <Lathiat> yeh
[03:14] <Lathiat> but now im confused
[03:14] <ajmitch_> heh
[03:14] <Lathiat> cus siretarts saying not to change the xlibmesa-gl-dev ones
[03:14] <Lathiat> and im not sure thats right
[03:15] <Lathiat> while they still build
[03:15] <ajmitch_> look over the logs
[04:05] <thierry> ok, just installed pbuilder and I'd like to get on an easy job : first time with packaging and all that stuff, could anyone point me something?
[04:06] <thierry> mez : what is that?
[04:07] <Mez> thierry, Windowz 98
[04:07] <bmonty> ajmitch_: question...do you think it makes any sense at all to have apt-spy in the gnome menu?
[04:09] <thierry> Mez : and why would I want the ugly windowz 98 when I got this beautifull ubuntu!
[04:09] <Mez> thierry, because cedega doesnt like me
[04:10] <thierry> Mez : ho but I don't like cedega ;) no seriously I don't have w9x so any other idea?
[04:11] <ajmitch_> bmonty: not really
[04:11] <Mez> thierry, wha?
[04:11] <Mez> I was on about me installing it not you
[04:11] <bmonty> ajmitch_: so it would be correct for the desktop file to just say "hidden=true" woudn't you think
[04:12] <bmonty> also the program is kinda useless without a list of ubuntu mirrors to go with it, and ubuntu doesn't supply the list in the format that apt-spy wants :(
[04:12] <thierry> Mez : sorry
[04:12] <ajmitch_> bmonty: yeah
[04:12] <bur[n] er> anyone know if there's an ubuntu backports irc channel?
[04:12] <thierry> I'll try fixing the dependencies for ace
[04:30] <bmonty> is there a syntax for changelogs to close bugs in malone?
[04:39] <ajmitch_> bmonty: nope, no auto closing yet
[07:15] <dandelion> hello
[09:15] <siretart> morning
[09:16] <ajmitch_> hi siretart
[09:16] <siretart> Lathiat: ajmitch_: ah, the gl/glu transition. The thing is, there are many packages which build as they are. I don't think we should touch them, because the cause unnecessary merging work later
[09:17] <ajmitch_> siretart: agreed, merge work is tedious & a waste of time if it wasn't necessary
[09:17] <Lathiat> siretart: wrong
[09:17] <Lathiat> siretart: xlibmeas-gl-dev is no longer in the archives
[09:17] <Lathiat> siretart: infinity said its wrong
[09:17] <Lathiat> siretart: my understanding is that it wont build in the buildd
[09:18] <siretart> thats right
[09:18] <siretart> those really need to be rebuilt
[09:18] <Lathiat> so it needs changing
[09:18] <Lathiat> from xlibmesa-gl-dev
[09:18] <Lathiat> because that no longer exists
[09:18] <ajmitch_> the buildd doesn't handle only virtual build-deps, iirc
[09:18] <siretart> right
[09:18] <Lathiat> and having a pure virtual package upsets them
[09:19] <siretart> lets take an example package: alsaplayer
[09:20] <siretart> it has builddeps "xlibmesa-gl-dev | libgl-dev"
[09:20] <siretart> yesterday, it could be built in by amd64/pbuilder, because there is a package in the archive which provides libgl-dev
[09:20] <ajmitch_> siretart: pbuilder != buildd
[09:20] <ajmitch_> that's the issue we have
[09:21] <siretart> hm, right
[09:22] <siretart> so you think we should touch them even when there is a binary package in the archive?
[09:23] <ajmitch_> if the binary is there, it might be good to leave them until after the next round of changes
[09:23] <siretart> ok. exactly that was what I ment with 'Packages which are ok
[09:23] <siretart> will improve the headline, then
[09:26] <siretart> this more clear/better?
[09:49] <SloMo_> good morning
[09:50] <ajmitch_> hi SloMo_
[09:53] <siretart> hi SloMo_
[10:48] <Lathiat> siretart: so we want to leave xlibmesa-gl-dev for now?
[10:52] <herve> hello
[10:54] <siretart> Lathiat: I'd suggest that we concentrate on broken packages. We can 'fix' the remaining packages later, when we have time
[10:54] <siretart> left
[11:00] <Lathiat> generating a good list now
[11:00] <siretart> ok
[11:01] <siretart> say, does anyone noticed something weird with sdl?
[11:01] <siretart> I get a error SDL.h not found, but it is in /usr/lib/SDL/SDL.h
[11:01] <siretart> Include path seem to be sane, too
[11:04] <Lathiat> none of them are unintsallable due to gl deps
[11:04] <Lathiat> might be some without a new built version tho
[11:04] <Lathiat> and a handful that have other unmet deps
[11:05] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/glutrans
[11:05] <Lathiat> anything not on that list installs
[11:06] <siretart> ok. so we should concentrate on the packages in the list below
[11:06] <Lathiat> right
[11:06] <Lathiat> ill work from the bottom
[11:06] <Lathiat> its really just unmet dep stuff
[11:06] <Lathiat> in general
[11:07] <Lathiat> so after these i'll go tearing through whatever else i can find, i'll start with libgmp3 as there seems to be alot of those
[11:07] <siretart> libgmp3 has been renamed to libgmp3c2
[11:07] <siretart> because of cxx transition
[11:07] <Lathiat> yeh which is just a rebuild
[11:08] <Lathiat> so this package has a build1 for c++ abi, if i rebuild without any changes for fltk should i do build2 /
[11:08] <siretart> the problem is with ghc6, that it needs to be bootstrapped, which is rather difficult, because ghc6 is not installable anymore :/
[11:08] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:08] <siretart> and ghc6 needs gcc-4.0 love :/
[11:08] <Lathiat> ah
[11:08] <Lathiat> fark
[11:08] <siretart> which reminds me, is ghc6.1 already released?
[11:08] <Lathiat> fedora might have patches?
[11:08] <siretart> no, they compile with gcc-3.4
[11:08] <siretart> debian waits for new upstream release
[11:09] <Lathiat> oh i thought they went to gcc4
[11:09] <siretart> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=319222
[11:11] <Lathiat> siretart: fc4 uses gcc4
[11:16] <siretart> Lathiat: huh? interesting. how did they manage that?
[11:16] <Lathiat> whats difficult about it?
[11:16] <siretart> there are build failures
[11:16] <Lathiat> oh you mean in this specific case
[11:16] <Lathiat> they might have patched it
[11:16] <Lathiat> i dont know
[11:17] <Lathiat> maybe they dont have ghc
[11:17] <siretart> http://haskell.org/fedora/haskell/4/x86_64/repodata/repoview/ghc-0-6.4.1.20050626-0.html
[11:18] <siretart> Lathiat: where do you read fedora uses gcc4 for ghc6? this pages rather tells they are using gcc3.2!
[11:18] <siretart> *cough*
[11:18] <Lathiat> i didnt say they were using it for ghc6
[11:18] <Lathiat> i meant in general
[11:18] <siretart> in general, yes
[11:18] <Lathiat> hence i said they *might* have patches. :)
[11:18] <Lathiat> i guess they dont :)
[11:19] <siretart> :)
[11:19] <Lathiat> damn
[11:20] <Lathiat> scorched3d is a 25M source package
[11:20] <siretart> I hope not native
[11:20] <siretart> but thats a great game, we definitly should have it :)
[11:20] <Lathiat> dunno
[11:20] <Lathiat> find out soon
[11:20] <Lathiat> when it gets past downloading this 24.3M tar :)
[11:21] <Lathiat> damn and poker3d is 27.1M
[11:21] <Lathiat> ffs how much can you put into a poker game
[11:33] <Lathiat> wtf
[11:33] <Lathiat> when i debuild -S poker3d
[11:33] <Lathiat> it runs configure
[11:33] <Lathiat> and bails out because it cant find glEnable in -lGL
[11:34] <siretart> I running in even more interesting problems with sdl!
[11:34] <Lathiat> heh
[11:38] <Lathiat> maybe nvidia-glx is interfering
[11:39] <Lathiat> yeh
[11:39] <Lathiat> that was it
[11:39] <Lathiat> usually not a problem cus packages usually dont run configure outside of pbuilder, grr. :)
[11:47] <pef> morning
[11:48] <Lathiat> siretart: 10 bucks my debdiff has crap all over it nwo :)
[11:48] <Lathiat> oh yeh
[11:48] <Lathiat> 24720 line debdiff
[11:48] <Lathiat> and i dont think i can do anything about it :\
[11:50] <Lathiat> bah and it fails to build
[12:05] <Lathiat> +  * Rebuild for new underware.
[12:07] <Lathiat> ooh
[12:07] <Lathiat> it worked that time
[12:16] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm, lesstif needs tending to, blocks grass
[12:16] <Lathiat> lesstif2, specifically
[12:21] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm.. the apt-geet source of lesstif got be ubuntu1, lamont buildlogs show up to ubuntu3 sucesffully built, is that being held back by something?
[12:21] <Lathiat> siretart: (apparently ubuntu1 fixed the problem im lookign at)
[12:24] <Lathiat> siretart: blah, ignore that
[12:42] <Lathiat> siretart: ok i knocked that whole list off. :)
[01:44] <pef> can someone help me for debugging a shell script ? (debian/rules)
[01:44] <Lathiat> pef: maybe, whats the problem
[01:44] <Lathiat> tho isnt debian/rules a makefile
[01:45] <pef> I try to write a get-orig-source target, but I have problem with $(shell )
[01:45] <pef> http://pastebin.com/335905
[01:46] <pef> don't know how to use UPVERSION, I always have an error
[01:47] <pef> ./debian/rules:9: *** unterminated call to function `shell': missing `)'.  Stop.
[01:47] <SloMo_> pef: what are you trying to do with the version? ;)
[01:47] <SloMo_> pef: look here for an example... http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/dirac-0508111825/dirac-0.5.2/debian/rules
[01:48] <pef> SloMo_: gettting the current version in order to download the upstream tarball
[01:48] <SloMo_> pef: why do you want to download it in your rules?
[01:48] <ajmitch_> pef: your sed expression looks to be missing a ) ?
[01:49] <pef> SloMo_: to use get-orig-source target to download the tarball, and delete junk inside (debian/files, if you remember ;)
[01:49] <pef> ajmitch_: using shell to test it it works :/
[01:49] <Lathiat> interesting approach
[01:49] <ajmitch_> pef: there's a ( before \(, but no other
[01:49] <Lathiat> why not whack the tarball in it?
[01:49] <SloMo_> pef: why don't you just change the tarball and upload the changed one? someone said it would be ok in this case
[01:49] <Lathiat> and yeh there is a ) missing
[01:50] <SloMo_> pef: and when you need the upstream version use this: $(shell dpkg-parsechangelog | egrep '^Version:' | cut -f 2 -d ' ' | cut -f.1 debian/-d '-')
[01:50] <pef> SloMo_: but someone else advice me to delete the lintian error :)
[01:51] <SloMo_> pef: the lintian error will be away after you changed the tarball... and this seems the cleaner solution for me
[01:51] <Lathiat> hrm
[01:51] <Lathiat> can i get pbuilder to install some alternate .debs
[01:51] <Lathiat> (ive go ta new version of 1 deb thats needed to build something else)
[01:53] <Lathiat> siretart: http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/gnomemm.diff can you push that, its needed to fix glademm and a bunch of other stuff
[01:53] <SloMo_> Lathiat: 404
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ermm
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: i have a vegastrike here buitl with gcc4
[01:55] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: does it miscompile it or something?
[01:55] <ajmitch_> no, it ftbfs when I tried it a couple of days ago
[01:55] <Lathiat> well it worked for me last night
[01:56] <ajmitch_> odd
[01:56] <Lathiat> (afte rmodifying the GL/GLU deps)
[01:57] <ajmitch_> right, I might have tried it more than a week ago, and it broke then..
[01:57] <SloMo_> is hub@figuiere.net here?
[01:57] <ajmitch_> but I see the current sid version has a gcc4 patch
[01:57] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/vegastrike.debdiff is all i had
[01:57] <Lathiat> SloMo_: reget
[01:58] <SloMo_> Lathiat: looks ok for me... i would upload it when i finally had upload rights ;)
[01:59] <Lathiat> heh
[01:59] <Lathiat> its a rebuild, if it was broken before it wasnt my fault. :)
[02:08] <SloMo_> Lathiat: it doesn't build?
[02:08] <Lathiat> SloMo_: no, it just has an old dep on gtkmm before cxx-transition
[02:09] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: so vegastrike 0.4.3-1ubuntu1 was compiling for you once you changed build deps?
[02:11] <ajmitch_> hmm, I see that version had gcc 3.4 in the build deps anyway
[02:11] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: yes
[02:11] <ajmitch_> so it didn't build with 4.0
[02:11] <Lathiat> oh well, i didnt touch it
[02:11] <ajmitch_> I was looking at 0.4.3-2 :)
[02:11] <Lathiat> oh ok
[02:12] <Lathiat> indeed it did
[02:12] <ajmitch_> -2 has "* Rebuild for CXX transition (also, removed explicit dep on g++-3.4)"
[02:12] <ajmitch_> with a gcc4 patch
[02:12] <Lathiat> cool
[02:12] <ajmitch_> so if it builds, I'll integrate your patch & upload
[02:13] <Lathiat> ok
[02:14] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: any chance of looking at that gnomemm?
[02:14] <Lathiat> its just a rebuild to get the new gtkmm
[02:14] <ajmitch_> ok, will grab & look
[02:14] <ajmitch_> 404
[02:14] <Lathiat> err
[02:15] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/gnomemm.diff
[02:15] <Lathiat> so it is
[02:15] <Lathiat> hangon
[02:15] <Lathiat> oh
[02:15] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/ubuntu/gnomemm.debdiff
[02:16] <ajmitch_> grabbing build deps, building now
[02:16] <SloMo_> automated control managment (by cdbs) is forbidden for new package, right?
[02:17] <ajmitch_> not forbidden, but some frown upon it :)
[02:18] <Treenaks> s/some/most people/
[02:18] <SloMo_> ok... then i'll add a advice to remove it to the revu uploads which use it ;)
[02:26] <Yagisan> G'day
[02:31] <Yagisan> I've been maintaining some unofficial packages for hoary, and my users have requested I make the packages official.
[02:31] <Yagisan> However, due to license issues, the are only suitable for multiverse
[02:32] <SloMo_> Yagisan: what packages are this?
[02:32] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/doomsday.html
[02:32] <Yagisan> Non-Commerical use clause
[02:33] <Yagisan> Could someone give them a once over and suggest what I need to fix
[02:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: uploading gnomemm
[02:33] <SloMo_> Yagisan: can you give me a direct link to the source package?
[02:34] <Yagisan> SloMo_ just a sec
[02:34] <Amaranth> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/s/smeg/ <--yay!
[02:35] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: well, uploading in between watching the all blacks beat the wallabies :)
[02:37] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: err
[02:37] <Lathiat> it just told me that already exists
[02:37] <Lathiat> blah
[02:37] <ajmitch_> uh?
[02:37] <Lathiat> maybe somethign failed to build
[02:37] <Lathiat> that i didnt see
[02:37] <ajmitch_> unless someone uploaded before that, since I ran apt-cache policy before uploading
[02:37] <ajmitch_> to make sure it was universe
[02:37] <Lathiat> nothign in buildlogs
[02:38] <Yagisan> SloMo_ : Engine Package:
[02:38] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu/dists/hoary/multiverse/source/games/deng_1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-5.dsc
[02:38] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu/dists/hoary/multiverse/source/games/deng_1.8.9+1.9.0beta2-5.diff.gz
[02:38] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu/dists/hoary/multiverse/source/games/deng_1.8.9+1.9.0beta2.orig.tar.gz
[02:38] <Yagisan> Debian Helper Package
[02:38] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/source/games/deng-debian_1.0-7.dsc
[02:38] <Lathiat> Rejected: libgnomemm2.0_2.0.1-2ubuntu4_source.changes: a file with this name
[02:38] <Yagisan> http://eyagi.bpa.nu/~jamie/ubuntu/dists/hoary/universe/source/games/deng-debian_1.0-7.tar.gz
[02:38] <Lathiat> +already exists in the Done directory.
[02:38] <Lathiat> maybe siretart uploaded it without saying anything in the channel?
[02:38] <ajmitch_> perhaps
[02:38] <ajmitch_> check the gpg sig on the changes list
[02:38] <Yagisan> SloMo_ That's on my ADSL line, so it may be a bit slow
[02:38] <SloMo_> Yagisan: thanks... i'll have a look at it... can you ask siretart for a revu account and upload it there?
[02:39] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: where do i get them from?
[02:39] <ajmitch_> umm.. gmane has archives, if you're not subscribed
[02:39] <ajmitch_> shoudl be ubuntu archives as well
[02:40] <Amaranth> hey, anyone wanna help me test a new thing for smeg?
[02:40] <Amaranth> drag-and-drop of .desktop files from nautilus to smeg
[02:40] <Amaranth> need someone to try to break it :)
[02:40] <Amaranth> ook, it's not in gnome anoncvs yet i don't think, never mind
[02:42] <Lathiat> my archivves only show ubuntu3
[02:42] <ajmitch_> so it was uploaded recently
[02:42] <Yagisan> SloMo_ OK. I'll follow the instruction in the wiki (You would want just the core packages right, There are a lot of packages on my repo)
[02:43] <SloMo_> Yagisan: core packages? but for deng... can't you just integrate deng-debian into the deng package? seems to be nothing which justifies a new package ;)
[02:43] <Lathiat> err
[02:43] <Lathiat> right
[02:43] <Lathiat> adam conrad just uploaded it
[02:43] <Lathiat> as we did
[02:43] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: infinity uploaded it
[02:43] <ajmitch_> yeah :)
[02:44] <pef> SloMo_: thanks for the dpkg-parsechangelog tip :)
[02:44] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: can do glademm then ;p
[02:44] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: ok, I'll be asleep, so someone else can upload :)
[02:44] <Yagisan> SloMo_ Deliberately separated out to ease maintenance of  jpacks. It wasn't part of upstream.
[02:45] <SloMo_> Yagisan: well i would add it to the deng package... just copy the stuff in the debian/ directory and copy them where they belong in install
[02:47] <Yagisan> SloMo_ That would require a new compile and upload each time upstream releases a new data file
[02:48] <SloMo_> Yagisan: also don't change anything other than stuff in the debian directory with your diff.gz... when you need to change something add a patch and apply it at build-time with dpatch for example
[02:49] <Yagisan> SloMo_ I'm not familiar with dpatch, I've made a one line edit to a text document to make deng-debian work but that should be it
[02:50] <SloMo_> Yagisan: but isn't deng-debian just a really small package which copies some small files somewhere? or may this files change while the deng package don't change?
[02:50] <SloMo_> Yagisan: yeah but better use dpatch for such stuff... http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[02:52] <pef> SloMo_: new upload of kvpnc, if you are still interested :)
[02:52] <SloMo_> Yagisan: other than that the package looks ok (but i haven't looked that hard... will do that later, maybe it's already in revu then ;) )
[02:53] <Yagisan> SloMo_: The data files may change, but deng does not care if they do. deng-debian copies 4 files, and sets up controls that disable data packs where they are known to cause conflicts. Thank you for the link.
[02:53] <Yagisan> SloMo_ Well it's known not to work on amd64
[02:55] <SloMo_> Yagisan: ok, i'll think about deng-debian later *makes a note* :)
[02:56] <SloMo_> pef: woah... what a hack =) add wget to build-depends
[02:57] <pef> ohh right
[02:58] <SloMo_> pef: but well... i wouldn't do this hack... just remove the dirty files directly from the upstream tarball as you had to repackage it anyways
[02:58] <Yagisan> SloMo_ Please do take a look at deng-debian (deng has a habit of dumping savegames in the current working directory without it)
[02:59] <SloMo_> Yagisan: you mean the shell script?
[03:00] <Yagisan> SloMo_ Yeah, deng-debian also provides a "doghouse" for deng.
[03:00] <pef> SloMo_: but siretart advice me to do like this, and this method is conform to debian policy I think
[03:00] <Yagisan> SloMo_ I'm sure you can guess what platform deng was written for
[03:01] <SloMo_> pef: fine... then it's ok for me :)
[03:05] <SloMo_> Yagisan: ok... but i don't understand why you can't supply the stuff in deng-debian with the deng-package... it doesn't look like something version dependend... just an image, a wrapper script and the 3 ded files... i would advice to copy them over to the debian directory of the deng package and install them there... sorry when i'm suggesting something stupid here ;)
[03:10] <Yagisan> SloMo_ What you suggest doesn't sound stupid, I assume you looked at my website and seen that long list of files
[03:12] <SloMo_> Yagisan: which long list of files?
[03:13] <SloMo_> Yagisan: deng-iwad-doomu-installer and the other installers?
[03:15] <Yagisan> SloMo_: the resource packs. They tend to change somewhat often. By separating there dependencies to deng-debian I could keep the engine, and change resource packs at will.
[03:16] <SloMo_> pef: your new kvpnc doesn't build in pbuilder
[03:16] <Yagisan> SloMo_: I don't think my solution was the most elegant, but it does work well.
[03:17] <SloMo_> Yagisan: you mean the recommends line in deng-debian?
[03:17] <Yagisan> SloMo_: I'll do up a test package with dpatch and merge deng-debian in as a tester a bit later
[03:17] <Yagisan> Slo_Mo_: yep, thats it
[03:17] <pef> SloMo_: ok, will check
[03:19] <Yagisan> SloMo_: Do you have any of the doom wads ?
[03:19] <SloMo_> Yagisan: ok, now i finally understand your problem ;) but i would add all of it to the deng package... and when something changes with the deps just upload a new version... as the tarball stayed the same you just have to upload the diff.gz and dsc file so that would be no problem
[03:20] <SloMo_> Yagisan: nope... can i get one for free somewhere? ah and btw... when it doesn't work on amd64 say this in the control file (i.e. change Architecture from any to something else)... btw i'll test it on ppc later
[03:23] <Yagisan> SloMo_: OK. Click on the email link re wad file. The control file I know (I have the amd64 that broke deng :). Thanks for the ppc test. You'll need a wad installer file too.
[03:23] <siretart> re
[03:23] <siretart> oh, so many hilights...
[03:25] <SloMo_> Yagisan: just send me a notice when you merged deng and deng-debian and uploaded it to revu :) what email link?
[03:25] <siretart> Yagisan: are you Jamie Jones?
[03:26] <Yagisan> siretart: Yes
[03:26] <siretart> Yagisan: I added you to the keyring, you may proceed with uploading now
[03:26] <SloMo_> Yagisan: and the LICENCE file of deng says it's just GPL-2... what files are under another licence?
[03:26] <Yagisan> siretart: Thank you.
[03:26] <siretart> no matter
[03:27] <SloMo_> Yagisan: s/licence/license/g ;)
[03:27] <Yagisan> SloMo_: I'm in the process of documenting those: Some are Raven Hexen
[03:27] <Yagisan> SloMo_: email is at bottom of my website
[03:29] <SloMo_> Yagisan: ok, fine :) well just send me the note when the merged and correctd version is in revu ;) i'll take a closer look then... btw, are there any other packages related to deng we can distribute (i.e. they have a nice license ;) )?
[03:29] <Yagisan> SloMo_: Most of it fits in multiverse because of non-commercial clauses
[03:30] <Yagisan> SloMo_: Some ebay scammers were selling deng and the resource packs
[03:30] <SloMo_> Yagisan: ok, then upload the other packages after we got deng into multiverse :)
[03:30] <Yagisan> SloMo_: now the resource pack authors forbid commercial use
[03:31] <Yagisan> SloMo_: OK - 1st Merge deng and deng-debian. 2nd upload merged file.
[03:32] <SloMo_> :)
[03:32] <Yagisan> SloMo_: Upload my wad installers too ?
[03:32] <thierry> I'm trying to fix the missing dependencies of ace
[03:33] <thierry> first time with packagagin, so I built it with pbuilder and then what?
[03:33] <SloMo_> Yagisan: sure... but i would wait until deng got approved :)
[03:34] <Yagisan> SloMo_: sure, but you can't play it without them (menu entries, puts the wad in the right place)
[03:35] <thierry> anyone could show me the way to get this working?
[03:37] <SloMo_> Yagisan: hmm... well upload everything you want ;) but as it needs deng it can't get approved before deng anyways
[03:40] <siretart> do we only have 2 autoconf version in breezy?
[03:41] <SloMo_> siretart: yes... 2.13 and 2.54 or something similar... you shouldn't need any other version
[03:42] <siretart> CFLAGS="-I $x_includes"
[03:42] <siretart> how does autoconf / configure learn about that $x_includes?
[03:42] <Yagisan> SloMo_: I'll upload once I test some successful migrations in hoary i386.
[03:42] <SloMo_> siretart: see query ;)
[03:42] <thierry> could anyone show me how to verify unmet dependencies and fix it?
[03:43] <siretart> not quite
[03:43] <thierry> I've build ace with pbuild and now I don't know how to be sure it's all right
[03:43] <SloMo_> thierry: try to install it and try whether it works ;)
[03:44] <SloMo_> btw... you fixed ace?! good work :) if i remember correctly this was a rather difficult package
[03:44] <thierry> ok but I have like 20 packages in the directory... and none named just ace... I have libace, mpc-ace
[03:45] <thierry> SloMo_ : didn't fix it, just build it... it worked... strange
[03:45] <SloMo_> thierry: that's really strange... it failed for me in the past (and the package names are ok afaik...)
[03:46] <thierry> mmmm I think I'll work on an easier package
[03:47] <thierry> by the way I did opened a bug to fix a little something in pbuilder package : ubuntu bug 13416
[03:47] <thierry> if you could check it...
[03:47] <thierry> and could you suggest an easy first package to work on?
[03:47] <SloMo_> thierry: from the unmet deps wikipage?
[03:48] <thierry> well if there's some easier stuff somewhere else I'd prefer it
[03:49] <thierry> SloMo_ : I just want to get started with one to know the entire procedure, then I could get on harder bugs
[03:50] <SloMo_> thierry_eating: hmm, maybe gnunet
[03:50] <thierry_eating> SloMo_ : ok I'll check that after breakfast, I come back in 15 minutes
[03:55] <pef> SloMo_: gnunet is a daemon, isn't it ?
[03:56] <SloMo_> pef: iirc yes
[04:12] <thierry> SloMo_ : ok I'm back
[04:12] <thierry> I'll try gnunet
[04:13] <tseng> hi
[04:13] <SloMo_> hi tseng
[04:18] <siretart> Lathiat: I just uploaded asterisk-oh323 and isakmpd for you
[04:18] <Lathiat> ah cool thanks
[04:19] <Lathiat> siretart: t38modem is simple
[04:19] <Lathiat> just a rebuild
[04:19] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/rebuilds
[04:20] <thierry> Lathiat : when there's only a rebuild needed, what do you do after the build? where do you send the package?
[04:20] <Lathiat> siretart: okie
[04:21] <siretart> perhaps I should write a small script to automate.
[04:21] <Lathiat> rebuilds of things?
[04:21] <Lathiat> yeh i was thinking about that
[04:21] <Lathiat> need to make it bump the version correctly
[04:25] <thierry> is there a motu mailing list?
[04:26] <siretart> thierry: no, we use ubuntu-devel
[04:26] <siretart> thierry: wen we make enough traffic, we get our own list ;)
[04:26] <Lathiat> wtf
[04:27] <Lathiat> libextractor1-dev wont install on my pbuilder but does locall
[04:27] <Lathiat> y
[04:27] <siretart> pbuilder update
[04:27] <Lathiat> i did
[04:29] <siretart> Lathiat: I tried to build kmatplot, but I get this one in pbuilder:
[04:29] <Lathiat> ah because it wants a package that no longer exists but i still have installed manually
[04:29] <siretart> ../interface/libkmatplot_interface.a: could not read symbols: Bad value
[04:29] <siretart> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
[04:29] <Lathiat> err
[04:29] <Lathiat> weird
[04:29] <siretart> jo
[04:29] <Lathiat> amd64/ppc ?
[04:29] <siretart> amd64/pbuilder
[04:30] <Lathiat> might make a difference im x86
[04:30] <siretart> /usr/bin/ld: ../interface/libkmatplot_interface.a(common.o): relocation R_X86_64_32 against `a local symbol' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[04:30] <Lathiat> oh
[04:30] <Lathiat> i saw pitti talking about that
[04:30] <Lathiat> yesterday
[04:30] <Lathiat> in somethign else
[04:30] <Lathiat> and
[04:30] <Lathiat>  using -fPIC worked
[04:30] <siretart> Lathiat: that I forgot. Libraries have to be compiled with -fPIC
[04:30] <siretart> it's just x86, which dont cares
[04:31] <SloMo_> iirc ppc too
[04:32] <Lathiat> siretart: you going to fix or?
[04:32] <siretart> ok. I try
[04:32] <Lathiat> i cant really test it
[04:32] <siretart> sure thing
[04:32] <siretart> I have to leave, soon :/
[04:32] <Lathiat> ah ok
[04:33] <Lathiat> mm i have like 2G of sources in my devel dir now
[04:34] <SloMo_> Lathiat: i'm at 3,9 gb ;)
[04:34] <Lathiat> heh
[04:35] <thierry> while building gnunet I get this : dpkg-shlibdeps: warning: could not find path for libgnunetutil.so.0 does this means that libgnuneutil is missing as dependencie?
[04:35] <thierry> And if it is, how do add it in the dependencies?
[04:35] <Lathiat> erm
[04:35] <Lathiat> sound slike its own build is messed up
[04:36] <thierry> then what should I do?
[04:36] <Lathiat> not sure
[04:37] <thierry> I also get this very frequently : dpkg-gencontrol: warning: no utmp entry available and LOGNAME not defined; using uid of process (0)
[04:37] <Lathiat> yeh i dont think that matters i get it all the time too
[04:37] <thierry> k
[04:37] <thierry> and how do you know the build failed or not?
[04:37] <Lathiat> after upload or when testing?
[04:38] <thierry> well after the build
[04:38] <Lathiat> you mean once its been uploaded, see if it fails then?
[04:38] <thierry> All I know right now is how to build a package (from the pbuilder howto) that's all
[04:38] <siretart> Lathiat: lesstif1 uploaded
[04:38] <Lathiat> you'll see an error ont he end
[04:38] <Lathiat> siretart: thanks
[04:38] <Lathiat> siretart: thatl unbreak a few things
[04:39] <thierry> Lathiat : so if there's none the package is ok?
[04:39] <siretart> Lathiat: check the buildlogs. I hope so, too
[04:39] <Lathiat> i cant remember what it was breaking now
[04:39] <Lathiat> i should write these things down
[04:40] <siretart> tomboy is ideal for this kind of notes ;)
[04:40] <Lathiat> indeed
[04:40] <Lathiat> thierry: im not sure that warning is fatal
[04:40] <Lathiat> thierry: in fact it quite possibly doesnt matter, but im not 100% sure on that
[04:40] <Lathiat> (only because its referring to itself)
[04:41] <siretart> wah. scorched3d ftbfs on amd64 :(
[04:42] <Lathiat> hrm
[04:42] <Lathiat> sigh
[04:42] <thierry> Lathiat : so if I try to install the package and that it works, it would be ok?
[04:42] <siretart> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288578
[04:43] <Lathiat> wonder why libdps1 disappeared
[04:43] <Lathiat> need to rebuild kismet for that as well, bleh
[04:43] <Lathiat> stupid libraries disappearing. :P)
[04:44] <Lathiat> siretart: hrm
[04:44] <Lathiat> siretart: sounds like we need to wait?
[04:45] <siretart> *sigh*. I think yes :(
[04:45] <Lathiat> bah
[04:45] <siretart> this is very very sad :(
[04:45] <Lathiat> wtf is with these packages that change config.guess
[04:45] <thierry> where do I add new dependencies???
[04:45] <siretart> thierry: add them to debian/control
[04:47] <thierry> k
[04:47] <siretart> Lathiat: kmaptplot is btw http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=286533
[04:48] <Lathiat> man so much to keep track of :)
[04:48] <Lathiat> i need to write some kind of tool that you give a package and it goes off and checks for bugs, recent builds, failed builds, etc. :)
[04:49] <Lathiat> hrm, that might not be such a bad idea
[04:50] <siretart> Lathiat: sounds great :)
[04:51] <Lathiat> i think its feasible
[04:51] <Lathiat> can search debian bugs by source package easily
[04:51] <Lathiat> ubuntu bugs might be a little harder
[04:51] <Lathiat> checking in to-merge and buildLogs shouldnt be too hard
[04:51] <siretart> it's harder to filter the data to get usable information
[04:52] <siretart> in the case of kplot, I think that would be a good target for a debian bsp or nmu
[04:53] <Lathiat> bsp?
[04:54] <Lathiat> wah yeh that bug is old
[04:54] <siretart> bsp = debian bug squashing party
[04:54] <Lathiat> ah
[04:54] <Lathiat> that
[04:55] <Lathiat> ive updated my rebuild sfile when you want to continue looking
[04:55] <thierry> once I have changed the dependencies and did "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S" to get a new .dsc , I rebuild the whole thing?
[04:55] <Lathiat> thierry: yep
[04:55] <Lathiat> thierry: what did you change?
[04:56] <thierry> Lathiat : added three packages (2 new and one with an higher version) in dependencies
[04:56] <thierry> if this works after that? what do I do? do I create a patch? where do I send it?
[04:57] <pef> siretart: hi
[04:57] <pef> SloMo_: new version uploaded :)
[05:00] <pef> siretart: I've used get-orig-source like you advice me yesterday, and all it works well, no longer lintian error http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/details.py?upid=354
[05:03] <siretart> pef: cool! :)
[05:03] <pef> I hope my target isn't too dirty :[
[05:04] <siretart> no, I think its ok
[05:05] <siretart> what are these debian/stamp-* files?
[05:06] <pef> ouch
[05:06] <pef> upstream tarball too, will delete them using get-orig-source
[05:07] <siretart> pef: if you are preparing a new upload, better rm -rf kvpnc-$(UPSTREAM)/debian
[05:07] <thierry> mmm I added the missing dependencies and I still get error for 2 of them...
[05:08] <siretart> pef: that way, all debian stuff gets completely in the diff.gz, which is generally easier to review
[05:09] <pef> and a smaller diff, you're right
[05:11] <siretart> ok. I'm off for gf for today
[05:11] <siretart> I'll be back tomorrow afternoon. cu folks!
[05:11] <pef> bye !
[05:11] <thierry> bye
[05:18] <thierry> Lathiat : I have a problem, when I build and try to install gnunet it says that libgmp3 and libtdb1 are needed and not installed but I just added them in dependencies!! do they have an other name?
[05:18] <Lathiat> hold a se
[05:18] <Lathiat> c
[05:19] <Lathiat> thierry: they have dependencies
[05:19] <Lathiat> thierry: install pbuilder
[05:19] <Lathiat> and run sudo /usr/lib/pbuilder-satisfydeps
[05:19] <Lathiat> in the package dir
[05:19] <Lathiat> and it will install them all for you
[05:20] <thierry> pbuilder is installed and I get this : thierry@modemcable050:/var/cache/pbuilder/result$ sudo /usr/lib/pbuilder-satisfydeps
[05:20] <thierry> sudo: /usr/lib/pbuilder-satisfydeps: command not found
[05:20] <Lathiat>  err
[05:20] <Lathiat>  /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydeps
[05:20] <Lathiat> also
[05:20] <Lathiat> thats not where you want to do it
[05:20] <Lathiat> you want to do it in the source dir
[05:20] <thierry> ok so not on the package but on his source
[05:21] <Lathiat> yes
[05:21] <Lathiat> you shouldn't need ot add manual depends: for libraries etc
[05:21] <Lathiat> they shoudl be handled by shlibs if you have the right build-dep
[05:21] <Lathiat> and that command will install all the build-deps for you
[05:21] <thierry> sudo: /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydeps: command not found
[05:21] <Lathiat> blah
[05:21] <Lathiat>  /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends
[05:22] <thierry> Lathiat you mean the dependencies will add themselv automatically with this?
[05:23] <thierry> ok it says that the two package have unsatisfied dependencies... so I should try to fix the dependencies of those two before?
[05:24] <Lathiat> paste the output in private message
[05:24] <thierry> ok but it's in french...
[05:24] <Lathiat> err
[05:24] <Lathiat> can you put it in english? :P
[05:24] <Lathiat> LANG=en_AU /usr/lib/pb... :P
[05:26] <thierry> could you open the private message window (send me a message) I'm not familiar with x-chat
[05:26] <pef> thierry: /query Lathiat
[05:27] <thierry> k
[05:40] <pef> bye
[07:00] <Yagisan> Does a new package (that has been in a 3rd party repo for some time, with several updates) and is not in debian require -ubuntu in it's version number ?
[07:13] <thierry> gnome-chemistry-utils package works without any problems, build is allright... what do I do now? (it's in the unmet dependencies page)
[07:16] <thierry> Yagisan : don't know... I would say like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips?highlight=%28motu%29 : -0ubuntu1
[07:51] <slomo> hm, who is anthony.mercatante@laposte.net?
[09:35] <tseng> rock on, breezy kernel is "freezing" my desktop
[09:36] <tseng> music will start playing like a broken record, cursor  moves but clicking anything is useless
[10:22] <mbreit> hi all
[10:22] <SloMoSnail> hi mbreit
[10:37] <thierry> hi, I've been building gnome-chemistry-utils
[10:37] <thierry> without any problem and it is in the missing dependencies thing...
[10:45] <seth_k> SloMoSnail, is it okay for config.guess and config.sub to be modified in the original tarball? I moved everything else out to cdbs patches, but the compile is changing those two files itself
[10:45] <seth_k> and if not, how do I fix it ;)
[10:46] <shawarma> Hi...If I wanted to start working on ubuntu (bugfixing, packaging etc.)I think it'd make good sense to upgrade to Breezy, right? How close it is to functional? If it mostly works, that's excellent. That's what makes me the most productive.. Is X working for instance?
[10:46] <mbreit> shawarma: it mostly works ;)
[10:46] <SloMoSnail> seth_k: why are these in the tarball and not in the diff?
[10:47] <shawarma> mbreit: Sounds excellent.
[10:47] <mbreit> shawarma: and using breezy makes really sense (but you can do it in a chroot as well if you want)
[10:47] <seth_k> SloMoSnail, they aren't in the tarball. They're being created by the configure, and thus show up in the diff
[10:47] <seth_k> that's okay?
[10:47] <mbreit> shawarma: but in some cases, you will have to fix some issues per hand...
[10:47] <shawarma> mbreit: As I said: I'm SO much more productive when I need the bugfixes myself during my daily work.
[10:48] <mbreit> shawarma: then upgrade to breezy ;)
[10:48] <SloMoSnail> seth_k: hmm, i don't like them there... but well, shouldn't hurt too much ;)
[10:48] <shawarma> mbreit: An apt-get dist-upgrade should mostly do it?
[10:49] <mbreit> shawarma: it should _mostly_ do it, but it will delete some packages because of dependency problems
[10:49] <mbreit> but you will be able to reinstall them after dist-upgrade
[10:49] <shawarma> mbreit: No biggie.
[10:49] <mbreit> shawarma: you will also have to upgrade some packages per hand with apt-get install packagename
[10:50] <seth_k> SloMoSnail, ok. Any ideas why dput would be refusing to upload my fixed package to revu?
[10:51] <mbreit> seth_k: not signed all files? (dpkg-buildpackage options -sa)
[10:51] <shawarma> mbreit: Hmm.. That's something that should be fixed, too.. apt-get dist-upgrade should really be all there is to it.
[10:51] <SloMoSnail> seth_k: depends... does it say something about already uploaded? add -f
[10:51] <seth_k> SloMoSnail, ah ha
[10:51] <seth_k> thanks
[10:51] <seth_k> yeah, it said already uploaded
[10:51] <mbreit> shawarma: well, it should ;) but breezy is not yet released, and there are many things to fix ;)
[10:51] <shawarma> mbreit: Sure thing. Damn, I can't wait to get started.
[10:52] <mbreit> shawarma: getting started to work on breezy?
[10:52] <shawarma> mbreit: Yes.
[10:52] <mbreit> shawarma: did you look around in the wiki a bit?
[10:52] <mbreit> shawarma: there are a lot of nice pages on how to get started
[10:53] <shawarma> mbreit: Nah, not really yet.
[10:53] <seth_k> thanks for the help Sebastian
[10:53] <SloMoSnail> seth_k: np :) did you solved the other issues with that package?
[10:53] <mbreit> shawarma: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUWannabeTips
[10:53] <shawarma> mbreit: I know about packaging and that sort of thing, so I should be able to get working right away.
[10:53] <seth_k> SloMoSnail, yes I did :) just little things so it wasn't hard
[10:54] <SloMoSnail> seth_k: fine :) reupload and you get a vote ;)
[10:54] <shawarma> mbreit: Doing the apt-get dist-upgrade now. I just need to put "Welcome to the jungle" by Guns'n'Roses on. I always do that when I dist-upgrade like this. :-D
[10:54] <mbreit> shawarma: and, if you don't know what you can do, look at UniverseUnmetDeps, pick some packages in the "nobody" category and fix them ;)
[10:54] <seth_k> cheers :D
[11:08] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: rock, vegastrike builds with a modified patch, -1biuld1 segfaulted on started, which is why I wanted -2 :)
[11:09] <mbreit> ajmitch_: did you want to upload my thuban patch (or was it someone else??)
[11:10] <ajmitch_> mbreit: yeah, I can be not right now, I've got to leave in ~2min :)
[11:10] <ajmitch_> just wanted to tell Lathiat about my vegastrike issues ;)
[11:10] <mbreit> ajmitch_: okay... i just thought you forgot it
[11:41] <marcin> hi all
[11:42] <marcin> could someone help me and tell how to build package from source which is just one single file?
[11:42] <tseng> a C file?
[11:42] <marcin> do I need to tar this file into something like somefile.orig.tar.gz?
[11:42] <tseng> what kind of file
[11:42] <marcin> tseng: nope
[11:42] <marcin> tseng: it is .el file
[11:43] <marcin> tseng: why ;) ?
[11:43] <SloMoSnail> el? what's that? lisp?
[11:43] <marcin> SloMoSnail: yes
[11:43] <tseng> sounds like e-lisp
[11:43] <marcin> tseng: right it is someting for emacs
[11:44] <marcin> anyway I can deal with all these emacsen-common
[11:44] <marcin> etx.
[11:44] <marcin> etc.
[11:44] <marcin> I just don't know what to do with this file when I got this downloaded
[11:45] <marcin> I got css-mode*.deb as an example
[11:46] <marcin> because this package contains source which is just .el file and there is single .html file
[11:47] <marcin> and these files are in *.orig.tar.gz - while in fact this isn't something 'original'
[11:47] <marcin> because css-mode isn't available online as tar.gz
[11:48] <marcin> so my question is - if I got single .el file as source for package - do I need to put this file into .tar.gz?
[11:48] <Mithrandir> marcin: if there's no .orig.tar.gz, just make one
[11:48] <Mithrandir> marcin: yes, it needs to be a .tar.gz
[11:52] <marcin> Mithrandir: and what about cvs snapshots?
[11:53] <marcin> I need to tar.gz them too?
[11:53] <tseng> use the most recent version number + date or revision
[11:53] <Mithrandir> yes
[11:53] <tseng> 0.1+cvs20040203 or something like that