=== jdub [n=jdub@m010f36d0.tmodns.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A63048.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BIGBRUNO [n=biglinux@200.196.122.39] has joined #UBUNTU-DEVEL === mgalvin_away is now known as mgalvin === Elleo [n=Elleo@shellsong.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xhaker is away (Away, bnc logging) === dabaR [n=dbernar1@wnpgmb02dc1-59-188.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] xhaker, please turn off your away mesage. It is quite annoying === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-46-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin is now known as mgalvin_away [01:24] Can I have operator status for #ubuntu-hr? [01:24] Burgundavia: hrm, maybe we should come up with some better standards for how to document the laptops and so on [01:24] Burgundavia: i'm sure mjg59 would have some ideas on what would be most helpful to him [01:25] jdub, there are two parts that I see. the hoary stuff is mostly for community members and thus needs to be organized well [01:25] dabaR: you'll have to ask chanserv about who owns it [01:25] hoary stuff? [01:25] the breezy stuff is for developers, so that bugs should mostly be in bugzilla [01:25] ivoks owns #ubuntu-hr [01:25] jdub, mdke and I had a disagrement about how to report [01:26] jdub, is it enough to have a report for any stable release and a rolling report for the latest development? [01:26] i don't think the current release is all that relevant [01:26] the goal is to make sure we know the hardware, and know what the devel branch supports [01:26] the current stable is useful for people looking to purchase a laptop [01:26] jdub: thanks. [01:27] ok, i don't think that has much to do with the laptop testing team [01:27] Riddell: ya, he does, well, cool. [01:27] we can document that stuff on a hardware support page somewhere [01:27] no, but we might as well get the marketing win on it [01:27] Riddell: hey, have you seen fcrozat's XSETTINGS patches for KDE? [01:27] Burgundavia: right, but that's a different issue [01:28] they did ask for a report on how the the current stable installs [01:28] jdub: I don't think so [01:28] Burgundavia: sure, that's important to understanding where we're at from a benchmark release [01:29] Riddell: might be handy for nicer results when running apps in either environment [01:29] Riddell: fcrozat is an mdk developer, the patches might be in their cooker RPMs, but you can find him on gimpnet fairly regularly [01:32] jdub: looks like a fun idea that, I'll make a note to investigate [01:33] mjg59, ping === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] jdub: what was the KDE stall at linuxworld like? [01:33] Riddell: they had a nice banner [01:34] i bet it was blue [01:34] Riddell: and at one point, they were getting people to shout out how much they loved kde for a xandros CD [01:34] for a *xandros* CD [01:34] insane ;-) [01:34] hahah [01:34] I wonder how many people threw it back [01:36] Burgundavia: Hi [01:36] mjg59, jdub and I were talking about standardizing the reports on the wiki === marcin` [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] they really should have asked for kubuntu CDs in time, those things are worth shouting for [01:36] mjg59, what is most useful for you? [01:36] Burgundavia: I'm planning on writing a form for data submission, but.. [01:36] Basically I want to know whether stuff on the laptop checklist works by default or not [01:37] If it doesn't, I want to know how it doesn't work and if it can be made to work [01:37] mjg59, is there any reason why we don't just do this on the wiki? [01:37] If it works, I want to know nothing more [01:37] Burgundavia: Is it trivial to create ways to input data on the wiki that will result in a standardised format? [01:37] yes [01:38] I will create a standard table that they could copy and then fill out [01:38] Burgundavia: Ah. In that case, then do it via the wiki :) [01:38] (I should point out that I've just got back from Kamion's wedding, and so am nowhere near sober. This seems to be a recurring theme) === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["ERC] [01:38] mjg59, the advantage of the wiki is that anyone can see the data. A form they submit to you might get lost [01:39] mjg59, both Matthew East and myself have gotten emails about how to make certain things on our laptops to work [01:39] Ok, cool [01:40] how was the wedding? [01:40] jdub: Excellent [01:40] (hic) [01:40] :-) [01:40] I will build up a skeleton table and then ask for your comments [01:41] Burgundavia: Excellent, tanks! [01:42] mjg59, should be ready by monday [01:42] mjg59, quick question, do you care bout every point release in the development or only a rolling report? [01:42] mjg59, I mean, do I need to keep all the colony reports around? [01:44] Only a rolling report unless it's necessary to check whether something's reverted [01:44] ok [01:45] mjg59, I am off, pm me if you have any further comments/issues/ideas [01:45] Burgundavia: Will do. Thanks for the help! === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Diablo-D3 [i=diablo@65.99.191.105] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] hows breezy coming? === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable116.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487F6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDownUnder/BreezyGoals [01:58] didnt that url use to be valid? [01:59] remove the UbuntuDownUnder part [01:59] it's just /BreezyGoals now [02:00] is breezy still really really unstable, btw? [02:00] depends I guess. [02:01] depends on what, exactly? === Diablo-D3 considers, say, debian sid stable. [02:02] Don't know, I don't track sid. [02:02] I don't have problems with it. [02:02] you use any c++ apps? [02:02] firefox and tbird [02:03] and they work fine? [02:03] yep [02:03] any kde apps? [02:03] no [02:05] kde apps work fine === Diablo-D3 ponders doing the upgrade dance then [02:05] it's X that doesn't work [02:05] ...... erk? [02:05] doesnt work in what way? [02:06] doesn't work in new and exciting ways each day [02:06] eww [02:12] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/%c2%b5buntu [02:12] that looks cool === shackan_ [n=shackan@host117-80.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:13] Riddell: 2.6.12 is in breezy isnt it? === slomo [n=slomo@p5487F6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:14] linux-image-2.6.12-6 === Diablo-D3 ponders [02:14] broken X... new kernel.... [02:14] X is easy to get working [02:14] cant see.... but its really shiney... [02:15] jdub: just tell dpkg to hold X for me? ;) [02:15] no [02:15] rewind to the previously known working version? [02:16] or read ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] and follow a few simple steps === Diablo-D3 should subscribe to ubuntu-devel [02:18] hrm, how do I check what version of something is in linux-restricted-modules? [02:28] jdub: about X being easy to get working... got a wiki page or some kind of reference? === Diablo-D3 just downloads 2.6.12 from breezy manually [02:33] bur[n] er: have a look at recent threads on ubuntu-devel [02:35] right on, will do === bur[n] er has been content with remote Xing from a hoary box, but local X would be nice :) === bur[n] er loves step three: profit! :) [02:39] thanks jdub [02:41] Riddell: do we really only want krita in main, and not the rest of the koffice binaries? [02:41] Riddell: (is there any reason not to move them all together?) [02:42] mdz: Is there anything I should be worrying about right at the moment? [02:43] mjg59: balance, slurred speech, etc. [02:43] mjg59: hunger, poverty, poor medical care... [02:43] mdz: I want krita on the CD because image manipulation is a missing feature from kubuntu, I'd be happy to have the rest in support, not sure what else it brings in [02:44] mdz: howdie [02:44] Riddell: could you review the dependencies and see? if there aren't any new deps, we should just put them all in supported [02:44] jammcq: good evening [02:44] jammcq: congratulations on the LTSP award [02:44] Riddell: keep in mind that gimp is one of the first things we'd remove if space becomes more of an issue on the CD [02:44] mdz: i've got a new machine, and i'm loading breezy now, to test out ltsp integration [02:44] Ah, good, nothing of any great concern [02:44] you hate gimp that much? [02:44] and thanks, we were all surprised with that award [02:45] Diablo-D3: no, it's just not important for the vast majority of users. it's cool, but it doesn't apply to the GCF. [02:45] mdz: also, sbalneav is doing the same this evening [02:45] mjg59: feedback starting to flow in from LaptopTesting? [02:45] jdub: GCF? [02:45] jammcq: glad to hear it [02:45] greatest common factor [02:45] mdz: will do [02:45] jammcq: let me know if you have any questions not answered by the wiki [02:46] k [02:46] we should have some thin clients booting tonight [02:46] jammcq: i'm seriously considering ordering one of your little thin client boxes - they were way sweet [02:46] I'll be going out in 1.5 hours or so, and not back until quite late [02:46] grr === Diablo-D3 bangs head on desk [02:46] and at that point perhaps a little drunk [02:47] how the hell do I find out what version of madwifi is in a package of linux-restricted-modules [02:47] mdz: A bit, yeah [02:47] jdub: damn, I should have let you buy one that we had in sanfran, it would save you the shipping [02:47] mdz: The amd64 one is indescribable pain [02:47] jammcq: 'sok, i should probably do something with the hardware i already have first, lest pia beat me up :-) [02:47] heh === jdub is *sooooo* tempted to get a nice new desktop box with the google award money [02:48] awww... X is still b0rked for me :\ maybe next week ;) [02:48] jdub: Spend it on beer. Or me. [02:48] jdub: SoC-er? [02:48] paolo: Nah, jdub is an open source luminary [02:48] Oh. [02:48] jdub: google...award... money? [02:49] jdub is teh best open source love magnet [02:49] mjg59: do you have the lsb-base changes ready for when jbailey fixes the fifo thing? [02:49] mdz: It's about 5 lines, but yeah [02:49] I wonder if ubuntu has a changelog [02:50] bur[n] er: it's not too hard to fix [02:50] Diablo-D3: every package has a change log under /usr/share/doc// [02:50] it's more like 10 [02:50] I meant for 'big' features that arent related to any one package [02:50] http://lwn.net/Articles/142671/ [02:50] paolo: nup, i got an award at oscon for being noisy :-) [02:50] like that [02:50] we call those "release notes" [02:51] mdz: 5, 10. It's less than an order of magnitude. [02:51] mjg59: I was musing over init scripts called by maintainer scripts post-boot [02:51] jdub: i did the apt-get install xkbutils thing and step 2 of --force-confmiss on the xkeyboard thing... but no dice... i still get a blue ncurses based screen saying X encountered an error and I can do nothing but hard reboot back to 'recovery mode' [02:51] Don't trouble me with your powers of 2. [02:51] paolo: http://osdir.com/Article6677.phtml [02:51] mdz: Once usplash isn't running, usplash_write will exit silently [02:51] bur[n] er: check the log, then - i bet you just need to run a dpkg-reconfigure to get the right font paths [02:51] I /do/ need to code usplash_read (for encrypted filesystems) [02:51] mjg59: right, meaning that init scripts which currently print a message become silent [02:52] mdz: Mm? My plan was to do both [02:52] oh, I see [02:52] that's a fine idea [02:52] Then people can switch back to tty1 and see all the messages [02:52] mjg59: will usplash be able to print characters on non-white? (is that box just a guide in current artwork?) [02:52] jdub: It can do, yeah [02:52] cool [02:52] jdub: i hate to be a bother, but reconfigure what package?? [02:52] I can't emphassise this enough === jdub thinks black background will probably look the slickest [02:53] mjg59: the box is actually a functional place where text can scroll [02:53] *the artwork is shit because I cannot draw* [02:53] bur[n] er: xserver-xorg [02:53] mdz: Yes, but it's trivial to change this [02:53] er [02:53] s/mjg59/jdub/ [02:53] The box is drawn by the code [02:53] thanks jdub, i'll give it a shot [02:53] It can draw a black box instead [02:53] jdub: you can play with usplash_write to see how it looks [02:53] mdz: do we *want* scrolling text on usplash sexiness? [02:54] jdub: There is scrolling text [02:54] jdub: if it's going to stay up all the way through to gdm, it should probably give some idea of what's going on, yes [02:54] Well, scolling in the same way as the console [02:54] jdub: cool - congrats :-) [02:54] paolo: :) [02:54] I'm a SoC, in fact :-P [02:54] SoC-er even. [02:54] mdz: i think i'd prefer something closer to the rhgb service title status [02:55] jdub: how is that different from what we have? [02:55] jdub: It's more SuSE bootsplash than rhgb [02:55] well, keep in mind that i haven't seen what it looks like post-initramfs [02:55] it looks the same only with status messages / progress bar [02:55] We show the same text as would appear on the console, but in a more attractive manner [02:56] Switching it to something more abstract is rather more effort [02:56] mjg59: one line at a time, or with scrolling lines? [02:56] jdub: Scrolling - otherwise stuff can vanish before you read it === jdub thinks that's pretty reasonable tradeoff for looking elite [02:57] speaking of which, am I the only one for whom the GNOME splash text has missing characters in it? [02:57] if they want scrolling status, they can switch back to tty1 [02:57] jdub: The current state is that a few lines of text are scrolled in the box [02:58] should i be seeing usplash post-initramfs? [02:58] Not yet [02:58] why not just "Starting Services..." [02:58] Needs a touch more initramfs love [02:59] rhgb just shows the service name currently starting [02:59] even thats too much imho [02:59] because we spec'd this out 4 months ago and decided otherwise [02:59] jdub: What does it do in the case of failure? Display anything informational? [02:59] and you can click a disclosure triangle to get the scrolly bits (you don't even have to switch tty) [02:59] yeah that > dropdown is neat [02:59] I think for now we go with a more attractive version of what we already have, and then redesign it in Breezy+1 [02:59] mjg59: you can pop open the hidden terminal with the disclosure widget if you care === sladen hmmms about the state of usplash. [03:00] jdub: Urgh. Yeah, that's a bit more awkward to do since we don't run X [03:00] jdub: we're not going to do user interaction, at least not in this iteration [03:00] j^: it gives you an impression of progress [03:00] mdz: not suggesting it (we have tty switching anyway) [03:01] In principle bogl can do mouse input, but it's not going to be pretty [03:01] jdub: possibly X is still broken with widescreen monitors?? [03:01] it's cool that rhgb does it, but i don't think lack of error status is reason to make it have the scrolly bit on the sexy screen [03:01] jdub thats what a progressbar could be for: Starting Services... [|||||........] [03:01] j^: don't have any meaningful way to understand startup period [03:01] j^ progress bars are a complete arse [03:01] i reconfigured xserver-xorg, but I still get the curses based bluescreen with "Failed to start the X server (your graphical interface). It is likely that you it is not set up correctly. Would you like to view the X server output to diagnose the problem?" [03:02] j^: and how long is the progress bar? [03:02] bur[n] er: have you looked at the output? [03:02] They ought to increase at a linear speed, but we can't do that easily [03:02] mjg59: have you looked at SMF? [03:02] jdub: TBH, our screen is not very sey [03:02] jdub: i can't... the screen is locked here... I can't even do ctrl+alt+f2 [03:02] jdub: Not yet. If it's possible in the future, I'll be happy [03:02] mjg59: we can make it sexy :) [03:02] i can't ctrl+alt+bkspace either [03:02] s/sey/sexy/ [03:02] bur[n] er: try ctrl-d [03:02] jdub: There's a limit to 640x480x16 colour sexiness [03:03] whiprush: :) [03:03] mjg59: the windows one looks sweet, i don't think we'll have too much trouble [03:03] jdub: You think? I think we can do better than that, but I still don't think it'd look sexy [03:04] sladen does that matter? did you ever see a progress bar that had anything todo with the time it takes === jp [n=Juan@200-126-81-18.bk6-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] we must! WE MUST! [03:04] with a bountie and some rub-in oil, anything can be made to look sexy... [03:04] FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION [03:04] j^: Progress bars that have no relation to the time it takes are teh suck [03:04] mjg59 use a spinning wheel [03:05] Nngh. [03:07] rhgb has service name and a spinner [03:10] rhgb has better graphical primitives [03:10] rhgb has VTE and a full gtk widget set [03:11] Yes === sladen should do something about usplash, but doesn't want to get the blame if it still looks teh scuk0r [03:12] sure, but i'm not suggesting we need to go that far to improve usplash sass value [03:13] in terms of status, i'm trying to say that scrolly text smells, and a simple service name (or even just a single line of normal output) will be nicer [03:13] an image like http://www.neystadt.org/john/album/London2003/DSCN1246-London-Eye-Wheel.JPG with turning wheel would be cool [03:14] heh [03:14] in sixteen colours, when full screen updates are quite slow? :-) [03:14] lsb init works for standard Ubuntu packages; you have to resort to screen-scraping unless you just use /etc/init.d/$name [03:14] jdub: You're not going to see most of those service names, and you're not going to get any useful diagnostic output [03:15] is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive the only source of package mirror info?? [03:15] mjg59: you can switch to tty1 for diagnostic output if you need it [03:15] mjg59: look at the windows startup screen - no diagnostic output [03:15] jdub: But that also sucks [03:15] mjg59: same with the mac one [03:15] j^: you're about 16777200 colours short of being able to do that [03:15] "Please press these obscure keys if you want to know what's going on" [03:15] mjg59: for a desktop, that's not ridiculous. [03:16] jdub: It's not ridiculous once we have the infrastructure to log those failures [03:16] (it's harder to get that output on mac and windows) [03:16] With our current infrastructure, if something fails on startup the user will never notice (assuming using your suggestion) [03:16] And that sucks [03:17] it's not like they could do a whole bunch about it even if they could see it [03:17] and it scrolls by quickly already anyway [03:17] No, but they'd know something was broken [03:17] and they don't see all the output because gdm starts early [03:17] they can't fix even if they do see it. [03:17] The alternative is that stuff just doesn't work and they have no idea whyt [03:17] snap. It'll just scare them into turning the computer off during fsck [03:17] gdm starts after everything that's important for the desktop [03:18] mjg59: can we automagically switch to tty1 when an init script has an error? [03:18] that at least is a major visual warning [03:18] jdub: Not in a terribly easy way [03:18] jdub: Especially given that it's expected for a couple of scripts to fail (ntpdate, for instance) [03:18] I guess we could fix those === jdub is not convinced that seeing non-blocking startup errors is wildly useful on a desktop system anyway [03:19] what about fixing all those network scripts [03:19] mjg59: yeah, that would uglify it unnecessarily [03:19] jdub: i see my X output and find that it can't find the "fixed" font and I should have x-window-system installed, but there is no package x-window-system... any ideas? I promise, it's my last question for the eve ;) [03:19] jdub: If hal fails to start, we ought to tell the user === bur[n] er feels like he's close [03:20] bur[n] er: Install xfonts-base [03:20] j^: all those network scripts should be made to hook a callback for when the network status changes; then ntp can at least do something sensible [03:20] bur[n] er: if you do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and have xfonts-base installed, it should work [03:20] mjg59: already newest version [03:20] jdub: this smf stuff jive license-wise? [03:20] whiprush: CDDL, not a problem [03:20] sladen yup, and use NetworkManager/dbus for the network status [03:20] (and the minor nits with CDDL sun is willing to fix) [03:21] interesting [03:21] CDDL isn't an obvious problem [03:21] j^: we may get NM for breezy, but it's unlikely that we'll get that level of integration just yet :) [03:21] It's obviously meant to be a free software license. If there are any problems, they'll fix them [03:21] It's not worth the PR loss otherwise [03:21] aww... dpkg-reconfigure xfonts-base did the trick :) [03:21] thank you all so much! [03:21] bur[n] er: I had that issue on my R31. I didn't get to the root of where it wasn't finding the 'fixed' font. but just installing xbase-fonts isn't enough [03:22] jdub i fixed NM today, including modem support http://bootlab.org/~j/bazaar/network-manager--ubuntu--5.11/ [03:22] rawk :) [03:22] bur[n] er: ta, I'll try that [03:22] sladen: gl :) [03:23] mjg59: having spoken to the people who made the decision; up until 6 months before release they were expecting to use GPLv3 [03:23] hmm, some people are claiming less than 10 second boot times. [03:24] whiprush: you can get to a shell extremely quickly. but that's cheating. :-) === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] what about a bios with webbrowser? [03:24] sladen: GPLv3's existence would have made this easier [03:25] j^: gcc lynx*.c -static -m8086 [03:25] mjg59: yes, their point of decision was 'needing' the patent crap [03:26] i have a strange behaviour with breezy X, any key i type on my keyboard change the resolution of X [03:27] mjg59: you would have enjoyed meet^flaming simon phipps [03:28] sladen: reconfiguring xfonts-base worked to get X up then? [03:28] bur[n] er: dunno, I'll try [03:30] man, oil-cooled PCs freak me out [03:31] jdub oil? its all about liquid nitrogen now. [03:34] mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportLatexXFTFonts created, koffice added to supported [03:35] is there any point gdm looping a failing X 3 times instead of just once? [03:35] ...and then giving a message dialogue where the only way out is Alt-SysReq-e === jp [n=Juan@200-126-81-18.bk6-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] bur[n] er: can you do dpkg -S /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc and see what's owning it? === jp [n=Juan@200-126-81-18.bk6-dsl.surnet.cl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] sladen: i have no misc directory in ....X11/fonts/ === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:43] hmmm [03:43] bur[n] er: alt-sysreq-r (reset keyboard) gets the Alt-Fn VT switching back... GDM needs to not ask it's your-xserver-is-fucked on VT7... [03:43] was networkmanager deferred? [03:45] sladen: ctrl+d ? [03:46] whiprush: undecided atm [03:46] whiprush: afair [03:47] there's a patch sitting in #13070. [03:50] Riddell: thanks. feeling better [03:50] ? [03:51] mdz: yes thanks (although I'm heading my flatmate coughing tonight, which is a bad sign) [03:51] s/heading/hearing/ [03:58] mdz: what's your preference for smime support or demoting gnupg2? [03:58] Riddell: is upstream any closer to a release? it's a development snapshot, right? [03:59] I'd prefer to demote it unless it's supported upstream [04:05] my X is looking for XKeysymDB in /usr/lib/X11 but it is in /usr/share/X11 ... [04:09] "GnuPG 1.9 is the current development version of GnuPG. Despite of [04:09] that, most parts (in particular GPG-AGENT and GPGSM) are considered [04:09] ready for production use." [04:09] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-announce/2005q2/000196.html === OddAbe19 [n=OddAbe19@pcp02542642pcs.lncstr01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt guesses it's rather difficult to take screenshots of usplash [04:22] hrm, python-gtk2 is missing a dependancy on python-cairo [04:22] mpt: while true; sleep 5; cat /dev/fb0 > screenshot; done [04:23] "sleep 5"? It should have finished before 5 seconds is up :-) === mpt ducks [04:24] can somebody with a working breezy Xorg setup try dpkg -S fixed | grep font to see if you can turn up where the fixed fonts are living now [04:25] one sec [04:25] root@ubuntu:/home/oddabel # dpkg -S fixed | grep font [04:25] console-data: /usr/share/consolefonts/grfixed.psf.gz [04:25] root@ubuntu:/home/oddabel # [04:25] one more sec [04:26] OddAbe19: okay, thanks. I think I've found the root cause elsewhere [04:26] Section "Files" [04:26] # FontPath "unix/:7100" # local font server [04:26] # if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/misc" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/cyrillic" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Type1" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/CID" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/Speedo" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/100dpi" [04:26] FontPath "/usr/share/X11/fonts/75dpi" [04:26] lol [04:27] sssh. /etc/X11/fonts/misc vs. /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc [04:28] :) [04:28] wow [04:28] that's cool [04:28] :P === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-24-14-116-227.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:35] daniels: xfonts-base is broken. It's missing a symlink /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc -> ../../../share/X11/fonts/misc [04:37] jdub: re: your example earlier. I've just started GDM on a system with *nothing* running (result of several sysreq-e's) ...the result is just that I got a dialogue saying ''couldn't init HAL''. The system doesn't actually seem to be affected otherwise! === _d4vid [n=xxx@tor/session/x-a407a9dd609a1929] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:02] <_d4vid> i haved problems with my firefox.. flash freezed my firefox.. now iam installed debian unstable version 1.0.6.2 works fine.. === quad [n=quad@pcp0011386062pcs.ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:31] is there a problem with gdm in breezy? i get a message in my syslog that says something about gdm not being able to start greeter [05:33] heh [05:35] my internet also only works for the fist 30 seconds i have it turned one! [05:35] *on === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === glick [n=noobia@cpe-24-193-254-95.ucwphilly.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [06:22] jdub: is there a "polish" keyword, or some kind of "it'd be easy, given attention [06:22] " [06:23] hrm? [06:23] for example, bug 6853 === jdub doesn't understand the question, hopes the bug enlightens :) [06:24] It's been fixed in opensuse. [06:24] well, the icon is crap, sounds trivial to fix. [06:24] *oh* [06:24] I was thinking of something like, is there a bugzilla keyword for "low hanging UI fruit." [06:24] polish bug keyword :-) [06:24] right === jdub read that as pole-ish, as in the country :-) [06:25] heh [06:25] yeah, trivial or enhancement is appropriate [06:25] but keyword... not really [06:26] gnome bugzilla has an easy_fix keyword, you think this would fit? === lakin [n=lakin@dsl-hill-66-18-228-60-cgy.nucleus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] i think we have one too === jdub checks [06:28] mdz: ping [06:28] yeah, easyfix [06:29]