=== mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === martinald [n=martin@80.229.237.12] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-46-242.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:26] its so cold [01:26] oh you poor man [01:26] some of us live where it is actually cold === rob^ just bought a new wool doona yesterday [01:27] omg it's 11C here [01:27] you poor bastard [01:31] hey, is ubuntu still sending out laptops for the testing spec? [01:31] don't think so === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:26] Burgundavia: Maybe you could clarify the wiki page to that effect, describing what other people with laptops can do to help [04:26] I tried to ask mjg59 about it the other day, but had to leave before he answered [04:26] and you know the laptop pages well now [04:30] grr @ spliting up the faq and it not working [04:49] mpt, will do tomorrow [05:44] thanks === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === rob^ [n=rob@dsl-202-52-55-156.qld.veridas.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-66-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-43-135.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@bl5-220-211.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fuzzyme [i=icechat5@61.1.216.189] has joined #ubuntu-doc === fuzzyme [i=icechat5@61.1.216.189] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@pool-71-243-232-35.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@info1-185.info.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:22] hi === martinald [n=martin@80.229.237.12] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] hi all [06:55] quick question: is breezy going to use the gnome default clearlooks theme or will it use an 'ubuntu-ized' one? === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === woodwizzle [n=corey@user-0cej706.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Razor-X [n=user@user-11fabkj.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:21] mdke: ping [10:21] robitaille, you received your laptop yet? [10:22] not yet... it's a Dell and according to Claire, Dell is really slow. I don't even have a model type :( [10:23] ah [10:23] what did you use to resize your NTFS partition? WindowsDualBootHowTo seems to imply that Hoary's installer doesn't work for that [10:23] it does [10:23] some have had issue though [10:23] should we change the wiki page? [10:25] in the past I have used Knoppix to resize partition, but with the Laptop I was hoping to go the Ubuntu-only route [10:25] WindowsDual boot is for warty I think [10:25] look at the last line: "Note: According to [WWW] this page NTFS Resize is part of the Ubuntu 5.04 partitioner, however partman/parted on the ubuntu-installer-5.04 does not support NTFS partitions." [10:27] I am going to be producing a standard wiki page layout the reporting soon [10:27] that would be great. Everyone is doing all the organizing work before I get my own so that everthing will be organized by the time it's my turn to report :) [10:28] have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences/BrochureCopy [10:29] no [10:29] I thought Jerome had done a 2-page brochure in the past.... === robitaille is back subscribing at the whole wiki :) [10:30] ...and the whole bugzilla... should bug LP people to be able to subscribe at Malone [10:31] yes [10:32] wow, the LaptopTestingTeam page is filling up nicely [10:32] need to get my report form done [10:35] do we know many laptops were sent? [10:36] no idea === Flonne [n=HamsterX@S0106000f663654db.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:39] hi all [10:39] salut Madpilot [10:39] Okay, so, like, I've been gone all summer, and chances are nobody recognizes me anymore, but I've managed to secure a reliable Internet connection. [10:39] robitaille, sup [10:39] Flonne, your name rings bells [10:39] Thanks. :) [10:39] I kinda forgot that I'd have to pay for things once school ended [10:39] mdke: what did you use to resize your ntfs partition on your laptop? [10:39] mdke, I clarified with mjg59. You don't need to keep old reports around. Just note any changes from the previous release (regressions, now works) [10:40] robitaille, the hoary installer [10:41] mdke: ok. I was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo and it seemed to imply that it didn't work. Maybe we should change it. [10:41] robitaille, it works ok yes [10:41] robitaille, there is a bug open for it. seems to not work for some peoplel [10:41] (which I would do if I ever get that laptop :) [10:42] I'm reading through all e-mail missed over the summer, so hopefully I should be able to start contributing again sometime this week. But I'm not dead, just in case someone actually cares. ^^ [10:42] [21:26:36] < Burgundavia> I am going to be producing a standard wiki page layout the reporting soon [10:43] Burgundavia, you will be taking decisions about what everyone should do? [10:43] seems a touch forward [10:43] mdke, mjg59 and I will be working together on this [10:44] I offered to create one and he jumped at it [10:44] ok i'll leave you to work [10:44] you can comment as well [10:44] no thanks [10:44] i need to test my laptop [10:49] mdke, is testing open? I've got three laptops here and nothing better to do while catching up. [10:49] Flonne, yes [10:49] mdke, robitaille https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 <-- can I have comments? [10:50] Burgundavia: I'll check it later today...I have to go. [10:50] robitaille, np [10:51] Flonne, testing is always open [10:51] The article contains a number of minor grammatical errors and some typos, if that's what you mean. [10:52] Burgundavia, here is what I intended to do, although it's not fleshed out yet. I think it's a bit clearer [10:52] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43 [10:53] ok [10:54] mdke, so a seperate page for each release and a summary of current issues? [10:56] yes [10:56] i don't like all those tables of different widths [10:56] i've put in some example current problems if you refresh the page [10:57] ok [10:57] hmm [10:58] i've yet to test breezy so many problems might be solved already [10:58] Breezy, which I'm running on this laptop, is a bit... broken. You might want to wait. [10:58] mdke, take a look at the page now [10:59] which? [10:59] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 [10:59] I think that is best of both worlds [10:59] the complete hardware rundown with a quick section for current issues [11:00] i still don't like the tables [11:00] I think I can fix their width [11:00] or make them all one big table [11:01] you should be able to fix widths - or you could in real HTML, no idea with wiki markup... [11:01] yeah i'm not sure you can do it in moin [11:01] mdke, is the issue the tables themselves or that they are different sizes? [11:01] for me both, but its an opinion i guess [11:02] tables can be ugly, but they also provide quick information [11:02] as long as we provide a notes section [11:02] that's why I don't think its a good thing to provide a template that people MUST use [11:02] people can do things differently [11:02] and I like your idea of current issues at the top [11:02] mdke, but the goal of the testing team is standard answers to standard questions [11:03] that is what I've done in the report [11:03] i followed the Spec exactly [11:03] AFAICS your report does not follow the Spec [11:04] anyhow, as long as things are clear and getting into bugzilla, i don't think its a big deal [11:04] in what way? [11:04] the spec is "Test every device on the machine" [11:05] erm [11:05] there are specific questions [11:05] yes there are [11:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingSpec [11:05] Basic Hardware Test, Advanced Hardware Test, Power Management Test [11:06] yes [11:06] I have merely organized the data in a different way [11:06] quite [11:07] which i have no problem with [11:07] the spec if very wordy [11:07] but I did it that way [11:07] i don't think you should have a problem with people doing it differently, as long as it is clear [11:08] mjg59 wants a standard form [11:08] if he doesn't like mine, we will work out the issues [11:08] can someone remind me where the Ubuntu Glossary is? Not a wiki page, and I can't find it in the non-wiki Documentation so far... [11:09] google tells you [11:09] http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/glossary/document_view [11:10] mdke: thanks [11:14] Burgundavia, afaics mjg and others worked on the Spec for that very reason [11:14] to establish a standard form [11:14] yes [11:14] oh well whatever === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:31] mdke, night [11:31] night [11:32] Burgundavia, last thought [11:32] how about including both hoary and breezy in your table [11:32] hmm [11:32] ok, I will try that [11:32] works in stable? (yes/no), works in unstable? (yes/no) [11:32] ok [11:33] otherwise it will be a huge page with lots of cumbersome tables [11:33] yes [11:33] damn that guy in -devel is noisy [11:34] Diablo? [11:34] yes