[01:26] <rob^> its so cold
[01:26] <Burgundavia> oh you poor man
[01:26] <Burgundavia> some of us live where it is actually cold
[01:27] <rob^> omg it's 11C here 
[01:27] <Burgundavia> you poor bastard
[01:31] <rob^> hey, is ubuntu still sending out laptops for the testing spec?
[01:31] <Burgundavia> don't think so
[04:26] <mpt> Burgundavia: Maybe you could clarify the wiki page to that effect, describing what other people with laptops can do to help
[04:26] <mpt> I tried to ask mjg59 about it the other day, but had to leave before he answered
[04:26] <mpt> and you know the laptop pages well now
[04:30] <rob^> grr @ spliting up the faq and it not working
[04:49] <Burgundavia> mpt, will do tomorrow
[05:44] <mpt> thanks
[06:22] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:54] <martinald> hi all
[06:55] <martinald> quick question: is breezy going to use the gnome default clearlooks theme or will it use an 'ubuntu-ized' one?
[10:21] <robitaille> mdke: ping
[10:21] <Burgundavia> robitaille, you received your laptop yet?
[10:22] <robitaille> not yet... it's a Dell and according to Claire, Dell is really slow.  I don't even have a model type :(
[10:23] <Burgundavia> ah
[10:23] <robitaille> what did you use to resize your NTFS partition?  WindowsDualBootHowTo seems to imply that Hoary's installer doesn't work for that
[10:23] <Burgundavia> it does
[10:23] <Burgundavia> some have had issue though
[10:23] <robitaille> should we change the wiki page?
[10:25] <robitaille> in the past I have used Knoppix to resize partition, but with the Laptop I was hoping to go the Ubuntu-only route
[10:25] <Burgundavia> WindowsDual boot is for warty I think
[10:25] <robitaille> look at the last line: "Note: According to [WWW]  this page NTFS Resize is part of the Ubuntu 5.04 partitioner, however partman/parted on the ubuntu-installer-5.04 does not support NTFS partitions."
[10:27] <Burgundavia> I am going to be producing a standard wiki page layout the reporting soon
[10:27] <robitaille> that would be great.  Everyone is doing all the organizing work before I get my own so that everthing will be organized by the time it's my turn to report :)
[10:28] <robitaille> have you seen this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences/BrochureCopy
[10:29] <Burgundavia> no
[10:29] <robitaille> I thought Jerome had done a 2-page brochure in the past....
[10:30] <robitaille> ...and the whole bugzilla... should bug LP people to be able to subscribe at Malone
[10:31] <Burgundavia> yes
[10:32] <Burgundavia> wow, the LaptopTestingTeam page is filling up nicely
[10:32] <Burgundavia> need to get my report form done
[10:35] <robitaille> do we know many laptops were sent?
[10:36] <Burgundavia> no idea
[10:39] <Madpilot> hi all
[10:39] <Burgundavia> salut Madpilot 
[10:39] <Flonne> Okay, so, like, I've been gone all summer, and chances are nobody recognizes me anymore, but I've managed to secure a reliable Internet connection.
[10:39] <mdke> robitaille, sup
[10:39] <Burgundavia> Flonne, your name rings bells
[10:39] <Flonne> Thanks. :)
[10:39] <Flonne> I kinda forgot that I'd have to pay for things once school ended
[10:39] <robitaille> mdke:  what did you use to resize your ntfs partition on your laptop?
[10:39] <Burgundavia> mdke, I clarified with mjg59. You don't need to keep old reports around. Just note any changes from the previous release (regressions, now works)
[10:40] <mdke> robitaille, the hoary installer
[10:41] <robitaille> mdke: ok.  I was reading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WindowsDualBootHowTo  and it seemed to imply that it didn't work.  Maybe we should change it.
[10:41] <mdke> robitaille, it works ok yes
[10:41] <Burgundavia> robitaille, there is a bug open for it. seems to not work for some peoplel
[10:41] <robitaille> (which I would do if I ever get that laptop :) 
[10:42] <Flonne> I'm reading through all e-mail missed over the summer, so hopefully I should be able to start contributing again sometime this week. But I'm not dead, just in case someone actually cares. ^^
[10:42] <mdke>  [21:26:36]  < Burgundavia> I am going to be producing a standard wiki page layout the reporting soon
[10:43] <mdke> Burgundavia, you will be taking decisions about what everyone should do?
[10:43] <mdke> seems a touch forward
[10:43] <Burgundavia> mdke, mjg59 and I will be working together on this
[10:44] <Burgundavia> I offered to create one and he jumped at it
[10:44] <mdke> ok i'll leave you to work
[10:44] <Burgundavia> you can comment as well
[10:44] <mdke> no thanks
[10:44] <mdke> i need to test my laptop
[10:49] <Flonne> mdke, is testing open? I've got three laptops here and nothing better to do while catching up.
[10:49] <Burgundavia> Flonne, yes
[10:49] <Burgundavia> mdke, robitaille https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5 <-- can I have comments?
[10:50] <robitaille> Burgundavia:  I'll check it later today...I have to go.
[10:50] <Burgundavia> robitaille, np
[10:51] <mdke> Flonne, testing is always open
[10:51] <Flonne> The article contains a number of minor grammatical errors and some typos, if that's what you mean.
[10:52] <mdke> Burgundavia, here is what I intended to do, although it's not fleshed out yet. I think it's a bit clearer
[10:52] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ThinkpadT43
[10:53] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:54] <Burgundavia> mdke, so a seperate page for each release and a summary of current issues?
[10:56] <mdke> yes
[10:56] <mdke> i don't like all those tables of different widths
[10:56] <mdke> i've put in some example current problems if you refresh the page
[10:57] <Burgundavia> ok
[10:57] <Burgundavia> hmm
[10:58] <mdke> i've yet to test breezy so many problems might be solved already
[10:58] <Flonne> Breezy, which I'm running on this laptop, is a bit... broken. You might want to wait.
[10:58] <Burgundavia> mdke, take a look at the page now
[10:59] <mdke> which?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5
[10:59] <Burgundavia> I think that is best of both worlds
[10:59] <Burgundavia> the complete hardware rundown with a quick section for current issues
[11:00] <mdke> i still don't like the tables
[11:00] <Burgundavia> I think I can fix their width
[11:00] <Burgundavia> or make them all one big table
[11:01] <Madpilot> you should be able to fix widths - or you could in real HTML, no idea with wiki markup...
[11:01] <mdke> yeah i'm not sure you can do it in moin
[11:01] <Burgundavia> mdke, is the issue the tables themselves or that they are different sizes?
[11:01] <mdke> for me both, but its an opinion i guess
[11:02] <Burgundavia> tables can be ugly, but they also provide quick information
[11:02] <Burgundavia> as long as we provide a notes section
[11:02] <mdke> that's why I don't think its a good thing to provide a template that people MUST use
[11:02] <mdke> people can do things differently
[11:02] <Burgundavia> and I like your idea of current issues at the top
[11:02] <Burgundavia> mdke, but the goal of the testing team is standard answers to standard questions
[11:03] <mdke> that is what I've done in the report
[11:03] <mdke> i followed the Spec exactly
[11:03] <mdke> AFAICS your report does not follow the Spec
[11:04] <mdke> anyhow, as long as things are clear and getting into bugzilla, i don't think its a big deal
[11:04] <Burgundavia> in what way?
[11:04] <Burgundavia> the spec is "Test every device on the machine"
[11:05] <mdke> erm
[11:05] <mdke> there are specific questions
[11:05] <Burgundavia> yes there are
[11:05] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingSpec
[11:05] <mdke> Basic Hardware Test, Advanced Hardware Test, Power Management Test
[11:06] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:06] <Burgundavia> I have merely organized the data in a different way
[11:06] <mdke> quite
[11:07] <mdke> which i have no problem with
[11:07] <Burgundavia> the spec if very wordy
[11:07] <mdke> but I did it that way
[11:07] <mdke> i don't think you should have a problem with people doing it differently, as long as it is clear
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mjg59 wants a standard form
[11:08] <Burgundavia> if he doesn't like mine, we will work out the issues
[11:08] <Madpilot> can someone remind me where the Ubuntu Glossary is? Not a wiki page, and I can't find it in the non-wiki Documentation so far...
[11:09] <mdke> google tells you
[11:09] <mdke> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/glossary/document_view
[11:10] <Madpilot> mdke: thanks
[11:14] <mdke> Burgundavia, afaics mjg and others worked on the Spec for that very reason
[11:14] <mdke> to establish a standard form
[11:14] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:14] <mdke> oh well whatever
[11:31] <Burgundavia> mdke, night
[11:31] <mdke> night
[11:32] <mdke> Burgundavia, last thought
[11:32] <mdke> how about including both hoary and breezy in your table
[11:32] <Burgundavia> hmm
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ok, I will try that
[11:32] <mdke> works in stable? (yes/no), works in unstable? (yes/no)
[11:32] <Burgundavia> ok
[11:33] <mdke> otherwise it will be a huge page with lots of cumbersome tables
[11:33] <Burgundavia> yes
[11:33] <mdke> damn that guy in -devel is noisy
[11:34] <Burgundavia> Diablo?
[11:34] <Burgundavia> yes