| torkel | tseng: ping | 12:20 |
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| tseng | yes? | 12:23 |
| tseng | torkel: hi | 12:24 |
| torkel | tseng: hi | 12:24 |
| torkel | can you please do a rebuild of tomboy. The one in the archive does not work with the current version of dbus in breezy without a rebuild | 12:25 |
| tseng | done | 12:27 |
| torkel | tseng: thanks a lot | 12:27 |
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| sh | Hi... I just installed Breezy and now X doesn't work.. I get this weird "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop)" error thing. Sound familiar? | 01:22 |
| sh | It happens almost immediately after starting X (before it actually shows anything) and is apparantly killed by a SIGABRT. | 01:24 |
| sh | Hmm... I changed to the vesa driver, and now it works. | 01:25 |
| sh | Just a sec, I'll just go to X. | 01:25 |
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| whiprush | dbus-o-the-day | 01:38 |
| whiprush | witty! | 01:38 |
| tseng | its a rerun | 01:39 |
| whiprush | oh | 01:39 |
| tseng | last time i called it "this weeks dbus api" or something | 01:39 |
| tseng | but glad you are all still ammused | 01:40 |
| whiprush | it made my day | 01:40 |
| whiprush | (not really) | 01:40 |
| shawarma | Where has glxinfo gone in Breezy? | 01:41 |
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| thierry | I've build gnome-chemistry-utils without any problem and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what should I do now? | 02:02 |
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| bmonty | thierry: add it to the "just needs a rebuild" table in the wiki | 03:13 |
| bmonty | ajmitch_: ping | 04:57 |
| ajmitch_ | bmonty: ? | 05:03 |
| bmonty | ajmitch_: working on making a script to create a list of mirrors for apt-spy | 05:04 |
| ajmitch_ | ok.. | 05:04 |
| bmonty | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive, this is the only place mirrors are listed, right? | 05:04 |
| ajmitch_ | I don't know | 05:04 |
| bmonty | I've asked in a lot of the ubuntu channels, and noboy knows | 05:04 |
| ajmitch_ | :) | 05:05 |
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| desrt | crimsun; sup | 06:11 |
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| cat | hey people | 09:45 |
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| herve | hello | 10:40 |
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| siretart | hi folks | 11:11 |
| siretart | does anyone happen to know who Johan Svedberg is? | 11:12 |
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| ajmitch_ | siretart: he maintains blam in debian, for one | 11:20 |
| siretart | hi ajmitch_ | 11:21 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: ah, I see. he requested an reviewer account | 11:22 |
| ajmitch_ | aha | 11:22 |
| siretart | hm. new upstream version of scorched3d | 11:22 |
| siretart | perhaps it fixes some ftbfs on amd64? lets try | 11:23 |
| Lathiat | ah nice | 11:23 |
| siretart | hi Lathiat | 11:23 |
| Lathiat | yo | 11:23 |
| siretart | this is a joke | 11:24 |
| siretart | 50mb sources?! | 11:24 |
| siretart | wtf?! | 11:25 |
| Mithrandir | 50MB isn't that bad. | 11:25 |
| siretart | puh, thats only for windows, the unix source is 'just' 35MB ;) | 11:26 |
| Lathiat | haha | 11:28 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: perhaps you can give advice: upstream of scorched3d recommends compiling on amd64 in 32bit mode for ensuring compatibility of the network code | 11:31 |
| Lathiat | thatd be really hard to do wouldnt it? | 11:31 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: do you think that we and/or debian should do that? | 11:31 |
| Lathiat | then you need 32bit installs of sdl, wxwindows, | 11:31 |
| siretart | indeed | 11:32 |
| Lathiat | i dont think thats reasonable | 11:32 |
| === ajmitch_ has confirmed through rigourous testing that his modified patch for vegastrike works ;) | ||
| Mithrandir | siretart: no. | 11:32 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: the network code should be fixed to use fixed sizes rather. | 11:32 |
| siretart | Mithrandir: upstream says they have not access to a 64bit machine for developing/testing | 11:33 |
| Amaranth | this is one of those things a distro is supposed to patch and send upstream ;) | 11:33 |
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| siretart | Amaranth: well, there exists a patch in debian bts, upstream says, that the patch breaks network compatibility | 11:34 |
| Mithrandir | siretart: if they don't need physical access, I can provide them with access to one. | 11:35 |
| ajmitch_ | Mithrandir: it's a GL game, so physical access is proably best | 11:35 |
| ajmitch_ | I'd happily do it if I had the ox, I quite like the game :) | 11:35 |
| ajmitch_ | s/ox/box/ | 11:35 |
| siretart | the game is great, indeed.. | 11:36 |
| Mithrandir | I have the hardware, but not the time. :-) | 11:36 |
| siretart | I'm just trying to build new upstream version | 11:36 |
| Amaranth | worms armageddon is better | 11:36 |
| siretart | Amaranth: but it doesn't have the nostalgic feeling of scorched earth ;) | 11:37 |
| Mithrandir | Amaranth: that's not free, though? | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | no | 11:37 |
| siretart | it needs openal headers? wtf? | 11:37 |
| Amaranth | it's windows only | 11:37 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: why the surprise? | 11:38 |
| siretart | never heard of that. configure bails out because cannot find openal-config | 11:39 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: strange, vesastrike worked ok with libopenal-dev | 11:39 |
| siretart | hm. apt-file is still broken :( | 11:40 |
| === ajmitch_ has no openal-config installed from packages here | ||
| siretart | hm | 11:41 |
| siretart | :( | 11:41 |
| ajmitch_ | hmm, keyboard on this laptop needs cleaned or something, some keys don't work right :) | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | apt-file is broken because Contents isnt updated. | 11:41 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch_: heh i vacuum my keyboard regularly | 11:41 |
| === ajmitch_ uses dlocate | ||
| ajmitch_ | but dlocate only looks in installed packages, iirc | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | largely cat/dog hair | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | but other cruft gets in their | 11:42 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 11:42 |
| Lathiat | keeps it nice and clean | 11:42 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: does it also work with packages not installed yet? | 11:42 |
| ajmitch_ | don't think so | 11:43 |
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| Lathiat | siretart: feel free to go through http://bur.st/~lathiat/rebuilds at will. :) | 11:58 |
| siretart | Lathiat: :) - will soon, I'm still at openal | 11:59 |
| siretart | hm | 11:59 |
| siretart | debian has uploaded a newer openal | 11:59 |
| ajmitch_ | Lathiat: great, want to see my massive unmet deps rebuild list? ;) | 11:59 |
| siretart | but misses to install openal-config | 11:59 |
| ajmitch_ | bah, 'b' isn't working properly | 11:59 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch_: the to be done list? | 11:59 |
| ajmitch_ | Lathiat: yeah, I threw the 'apt-cache unmet' list at pbuilder | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | i have my own im working through ;p | 12:00 |
| ajmitch_ | got logs of everything | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | ah | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | what did that achieve? | 12:00 |
| Lathiat | the list of things that just need a rebuild? | 12:00 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, once I process the list properly | 12:01 |
| Lathiat | ah ok | 12:01 |
| ajmitch_ | I'll sort out the just-need-rebuild, script the changelog adding & upload the lot | 12:01 |
| Lathiat | well im just working through apt-cache atm | 12:01 |
| Lathiat | unfortuately simple rebuilds suck a bti because i cant upload | 12:01 |
| Lathiat | and sending a debdiff with a changelog entry si almost pointless :) | 12:02 |
| Amaranth | a package shows up in unmet if it's suggests don't exist? | 12:02 |
| Lathiat | Amaranth: yeh, but it does tell you its a suggest | 12:02 |
| ajmitch_ | Amaranth: yes, which is why the list needs processing | 12:02 |
| siretart | wah great | 12:04 |
| siretart | openal is unbuildable in debian atm, because arts has unmet deps :/ | 12:04 |
| Lathiat | heh | 12:04 |
| ajmitch_ | ah yes | 12:04 |
| ajmitch_ | that evil | 12:04 |
| siretart | lets try to build in breezy | 12:05 |
| Lathiat | bah i hate things that dont compile | 12:05 |
| ajmitch_ | 752 upgraded, 220 newly installed, 36 to remove and 7 not upgraded. | 12:06 |
| ajmitch_ | yay, I haven't upgraded this breezy laptop for awhile :) | 12:06 |
| Lathiat | heh | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | i found alot more worked when i reinstalled | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | a few weeks back | 12:08 |
| ajmitch_ | probably not since UDU, in fact | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | _host_sockaddr.sin_port = g_htons(cport); | 12:08 |
| ajmitch_ | Lathiat: well my main breezy box was dist-upgraded from sid | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | wtf is wrong with that :\ | 12:08 |
| Lathiat | TCPTransmitter.cc:179: error: expected `(' before 'const | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | how the hell | 12:09 |
| ajmitch_ | g_htons isn't something weird & crackful? | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | i was just looking | 12:09 |
| Lathiat | GUINT16_TO_BE | 12:09 |
| === Lathiat finds that | ||
| siretart | ajmitch_: would you consider updating openal for breezy? | 12:09 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: I'd consider it, if it helps things compile & doesn't break others :) | 12:10 |
| siretart | I hope the newer openal doesn break too much. there are some reverse depends.. | 12:10 |
| === Lathiat cant find a GUINT16_TO_BE | ||
| === Lathiat wonders where glibconfig.h comes from | ||
| siretart | waaah | 12:12 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: breakage? | 12:12 |
| Lathiat | ah its in /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include | 12:12 |
| Lathiat | crack | 12:12 |
| siretart | debian maintainer should be also be hit by something hard | 12:12 |
| siretart | he just forgets on accident installing openal-config :/ | 12:13 |
| ajmitch_ | hehe | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | #define GUINT16_SWAP_LE_BE_CONSTANT(val) ((guint16) ( \ | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | (guint16) ((guint16) (val) >> 8) | \ | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | (guint16) ((guint16) (val) << 8))) | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | is that it ends up being | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | i see nothing fishy | 12:14 |
| Lathiat | i get the feelign gcc4 might be mixing up my line numbers | 12:15 |
| Lathiat | after preprocessing | 12:15 |
| siretart | what do you know, the fix is a two liner :/ | 12:15 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: massive patch | 12:16 |
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| siretart | does anyone happen to know Dan Helfman? Does he irc? | 12:16 |
| siretart | (openal maintainer) | 12:17 |
| === highvoltage just built his first debian package. ever. :) | ||
| ajmitch_ | highvoltage: great :) | 12:18 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch_: :) | 12:19 |
| Lathiat | what does 'unrepresentable changes to source' actually mean | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | "you have binaries which aren't in the orig.tar.gz" | 12:23 |
| Lathiat | uh | 12:23 |
| Lathiat | scary | 12:23 |
| ajmitch_ | the clean target didn't really clean it | 12:23 |
| Lathiat | how did that happen? | 12:23 |
| Lathiat | except i didnt build it | 12:23 |
| Lathiat | i just edited a source file since my last debuild -S | 12:23 |
| Mithrandir | it will tell you what files it's complaining about | 12:24 |
| ajmitch_ | it's a real pain on packages with a broken 'make distclean' | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | pkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file po/zh_TW.gmo | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | dpkg-source: building gabber in gabber_0.8.8-5build2.dsc | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | debuild: fatal error at line 765: | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | dpkg-buildpackage failed! | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | it does? | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | oh | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | i see further up | 12:24 |
| Lathiat | oh heh | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | i had a copy of vim open | 12:25 |
| Lathiat | and it whinged about the swap file | 12:25 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 12:25 |
| siretart | ok out for lunch | 12:26 |
| siretart | cu later! | 12:26 |
| Lathiat | bye | 12:28 |
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| shawarma | Hi! Where do I report Breezy-bugs? Malone? | 12:41 |
| ajmitch_ | for universe, in malone | 12:42 |
| ajmitch_ | packages in main still use bugzilla for now | 12:42 |
| shawarma | Ok. | 12:42 |
| shawarma | Thanks | 12:43 |
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| shawarma | Hmm... What do I do if it's a package that's only available in Breezy? I can't choose it in the bugzilla interface. | 12:56 |
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| shawarma | Is anyone here using breezy and using the i810 driver for X? | 01:30 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 02:03 |
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| slomo | hi sistpoty | 02:04 |
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| highvoltage | how do i get md 5 sums for all the files in a directory recursively? I thought of trying ls -1R | md5sum, but obviously that only gives me the md5sum of the output. | 02:22 |
| Lathiat | find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \; | 02:27 |
| highvoltage | Lathiat: thanks | 02:27 |
| Lathiat | nps | 02:27 |
| Mithrandir | use -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum instead, it won't spawn md5sum for each and every file. | 02:27 |
| Mithrandir | (a new md5sum) | 02:27 |
| highvoltage | Mithrandir: ok. thanks to you too. | 02:27 |
| Lathiat | tseng: in the search & index prefs, the options go off the edge at higher DPIs | 02:27 |
| Lathiat | (i think its broken and not inside the tba or something) | 02:27 |
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| tseng | Lathiat: you are using cvs? | 02:32 |
| Lathiat | tseng: package | 02:32 |
| tseng | uh | 02:32 |
| tseng | im at 96dpi | 02:33 |
| tseng | i dont know what you consider "high" | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | put it to 120 | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | basically the window doesnt size to fit the widgets | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | (and its not resizable to make it worse) | 02:33 |
| tseng | works for me | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | at 120dpi? | 02:33 |
| tseng | oh | 02:33 |
| tseng | there is a tiny bit of overhang | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | yeh | 02:33 |
| tseng | the s in folders | 02:33 |
| tseng | meh? | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | at 120 you almost cant hit the text box | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | nah | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | the uh F12 textbox | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | i can only see half of it | 02:33 |
| tseng | i can | 02:33 |
| tseng | see the whole line | 02:33 |
| tseng | what kind of monitor are you running 120dpi anyway | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | 1680x1050 @ 15.4" | 02:33 |
| Lathiat | (dell widescreen laptop) | 02:34 |
| tseng | < 1680x1050 @ 20" | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:34 |
| tseng | i guess that explains why I can see it all | 02:34 |
| tseng | or something | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | so make it 150 dpi then | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | :) | 02:34 |
| tseng | this seems stupid big | 02:34 |
| tseng | are you blind :P | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | http://bur.st/~lathiat/prefs.png | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | tseng: yeh dude i have 5 less inches to put that resolution in | 02:34 |
| tseng | yes 150 managed to pretty well screw it | 02:34 |
| Lathiat | and yeh 96dpi was start to annoy me | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | dont wanna screw my eyes :) | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | 120 is nice | 02:35 |
| tseng | hm i run 1440x1050 @ 14.1" | 02:35 |
| tseng | with 75 dpi | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | heh | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | thats basically by resolution | 02:35 |
| tseng | oh the laptop lcs | 02:35 |
| tseng | lcd | 02:35 |
| Lathiat | but 1" less | 02:35 |
| tseng | yeah | 02:36 |
| === Lathiat sets 75dpi | ||
| tseng | do you have a gnome bugs account? | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | damn ;p | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | yes | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | want me to file one? | 02:36 |
| tseng | yeah | 02:36 |
| tseng | im not sure if its even valid | 02:36 |
| Lathiat | why isnt it valid? | 02:37 |
| Lathiat | every other application works fine at this dpi :) the window should resize itself | 02:37 |
| tseng | hm is that gtk or beagle? | 02:37 |
| tseng | i really have no idea | 02:37 |
| Lathiat | well i assume its just the way the window is put together | 02:37 |
| Lathiat | tho gnome apps in general handle dpi a bazillion times better than windows | 02:37 |
| Lathiat | on windows setting a higher dpi is pain | 02:37 |
| Lathiat | breaks everything | 02:37 |
| highvoltage | so, the templates file contains those questions that debconf asks when i install new packages? what's the best way to learn about templates? should i look at other packages for examples? | 02:43 |
| \sh | g'afternoon gentlemen | 02:44 |
| sistpoty | hi \sh | 02:44 |
| highvoltage | afternoon, \sh | 02:44 |
| sistpoty | highvoltage: install debconf-doc, there are pretty good examples in there | 02:45 |
| highvoltage | sistpoty: ok, thanks. | 02:45 |
| \sh | hmm...i just wanted to write my installation report for this laptop but somethings wrong with my X | 02:45 |
| \sh | or kde or gnome...don't know..have to investigate | 02:45 |
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| === ajmitch_ hasn't heard of his laptop being sent yet | ||
| Lathiat | neither | 02:46 |
| Lathiat | fingers crossed for 12" or amd64 ;p | 02:47 |
| ajmitch_ | hah | 02:47 |
| Lathiat | probably wont be :( | 02:47 |
| Lathiat | i want \sh's portege r200 | 02:47 |
| ajmitch_ | UK->NZ can take awhile, anyway :) | 02:47 |
| sistpoty | hm... about motuglutransition: what if a package doesn't directly use gl/glu, but uses gl[u] from sdl... should it build-depend on sdl only? | 02:49 |
| ajmitch_ | sistpoty: I think so | 02:50 |
| ajmitch_ | let me check sdl deps | 02:50 |
| ajmitch_ | libsdl1.2-dev depends on libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev | 02:50 |
| sivang | howdy folks | 02:51 |
| sistpoty | thanks ajmitch_ | 02:51 |
| \sh | grmpf | 02:51 |
| sistpoty | hi sivang | 02:51 |
| \sh | ok..compiling the sk98lin driver as kernel module only with linux-kernel-headers doesn | 02:51 |
| \sh | 't wokr | 02:51 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: is the driver updated in the latest breezy kernel? | 02:52 |
| \sh | no | 02:52 |
| ajmitch_ | Lathiat: are you sure you want \sh's laptop? ;) | 02:52 |
| Lathiat | yes | 02:52 |
| Lathiat | because i know someone who has it workign perfectly :) | 02:53 |
| \sh | skfp is the old driver...doesn't work...we should get the correct driver into the kernel...doesn't break anything | 02:53 |
| ajmitch_ | hehe | 02:53 |
| Lathiat | \sh: ask davyd on gimpnet about it... | 02:53 |
| Lathiat | \sh: he has it all working on .. maybe hoary | 02:53 |
| \sh | Lathiat: it's working :( | 02:53 |
| Lathiat | might be breezy | 02:53 |
| \sh | aeh | 02:53 |
| \sh | :) | 02:53 |
| \sh | Lathiat: the problem is only the installation | 02:53 |
| Lathiat | ah right | 02:53 |
| ajmitch_ | you need to do a net install? | 02:53 |
| Lathiat | he borrowed my pcmcia card | 02:53 |
| \sh | Lathiat: the install kernel on colony cd 2 doesn't have the driver...so u have to adjust the install media | 02:53 |
| Lathiat | right | 02:53 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: jepp | 02:54 |
| \sh | Lathiat: i did it with some tricks | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | should get them merged in :) | 02:54 |
| ajmitch_ | only pcmcia network card I have here is a dodgy 10Mbps 3com :) | 02:54 |
| \sh | yepp | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch_: yeh well mine was a | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | real... something | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | those red ones | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | no | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | xircom | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | thats it | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | 10M xircom pcmcia | 02:54 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 02:54 |
| \sh | but the rest..bluetooth wifi is working out of the box | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | \sh: apparently bluetooth needs an acpi patch | 02:54 |
| === ajmitch_ has a 33.6k xircom modem lying around | ||
| ajmitch_ | \sh: great :) | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch_: ve got like 3 of those but missing the dongle | 02:54 |
| Lathiat | couple dual modem/network, couple network, 1 modem | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | i think | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | only got 1 network dongle | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | it was quite funny actually my aunty baught home this computer stuff from her work for me | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | mostly junk but she accidentally bought a box of papers | 02:55 |
| === ajmitch_ wouldn't mind trying bluetooth+gprs if it weren't so ****ing expensive | ||
| \sh | actually i can't really test bluetooth cause i don't have another bluetooth device...and my mobile is only looking for audio devices | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | so she went to take that back and i chceked in the box first and right in the bottom was a xircom network dongle | 02:55 |
| Lathiat | so i was happy :) | 02:55 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: you could borrow my phone that I got a couple of weeks ago :) | 02:55 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: hehe | 02:56 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: but I should be able to detect the bluetooth devices in my area somehow | 02:56 |
| ajmitch_ | bluetooth works nicely with my desktop box (usb dongle) | 02:56 |
| ajmitch_ | so I hope the laptop I get has bluetooth to test | 02:56 |
| === ajmitch_ wants decent sync out of the box | ||
| \sh | i wrote 3 pages how to get this nice little bitch flying...and it's really eyecandy | 02:57 |
| === ajmitch_ is jealous ;) | ||
| \sh | ajmitch_: it cost me half a day | 02:58 |
| \sh | to come to terms how to break the install media of colony cd2 | 02:58 |
| \sh | mount the iso as loop, rsync it to another dir, compile a new kernel on another box, replace the modules of the initrd, replace the kernel on the install media etc.... | 02:59 |
| ajmitch_ | how evil | 03:00 |
| \sh | kick windows from the harddrive, cause resizing wasn't working | 03:00 |
| ajmitch_ | no? | 03:00 |
| \sh | no | 03:00 |
| ajmitch_ | resize should always work | 03:00 |
| ajmitch_ | very serious if it doesn't | 03:00 |
| \sh | the default install is 60gb windows xp ntfs | 03:00 |
| ajmitch_ | as most new users will be dual-booting | 03:00 |
| \sh | i just started up..and I was w8ing for one hour | 03:00 |
| ajmitch_ | & most people will have winXP, ntfs install | 03:00 |
| \sh | nothing was showing up in the syslog, messges etc. | 03:00 |
| \sh | tomorrow i check on ebay for a cheep external usb dvdrom | 03:01 |
| ajmitch_ | bugzilla'ed it? | 03:01 |
| \sh | ajmitch_: no I want to reproduce it | 03:01 |
| \sh | cause i think I made a mistake with the install | 03:01 |
| sivang | so guys, where is still help needed around in MOTU land? | 03:01 |
| ajmitch_ | with the amount of hardware in this flat, I should have no issues getting stuff installed ;) | 03:01 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: everywhere ;) | 03:01 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: look at MOTUGLUTransition, UniverseUnmetDeps | 03:01 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: ah the transition still continues? :) | 03:02 |
| siretart | re | 03:02 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: of course | 03:02 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: and does ti expemt FF ? | 03:02 |
| ajmitch_ | and it will be ongoing ;) | 03:02 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: in a sense | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | since it's not really a new feature | 03:03 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: I 'fixed' openal and already submitted a patch to debian: #323054 | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: excellent! | 03:03 |
| \sh | the strange thing is...toshiba delivers only a dvd recovery media..so if u want to install windows...everything is gone from your previous install | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: I think my flatmate has a very similar laptop | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | if not the same model | 03:04 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: I'd like to upload and fixed version of openal with this patch to ubuntu, but I'll first test the reverse dependencies | 03:04 |
| sistpoty | huhu siretart | 03:04 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: ok, I'll test vegastrike :) | 03:04 |
| \sh | there r different portege r200 models around as I saw...and this one is not even mentioned on toshibas page | 03:04 |
| ajmitch_ | since that's on my list of packages to upload | 03:04 |
| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 03:04 |
| siretart | ah, that would be great | 03:05 |
| siretart | then I | 03:05 |
| \sh | guys I just switch to X una momenta :) | 03:05 |
| siretart | 'd test other one | 03:05 |
| ajmitch_ | vegastrike has build-dep changes from Lathiat, gcc4 fix from me, and debian patches to merge | 03:05 |
| ajmitch_ | plus it's fun to test :) | 03:05 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: no-go? | 03:06 |
| \sh | back | 03:06 |
| \sh | working now | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | ah great | 03:07 |
| \sh | I think i have some troubles with kde and gnome when no network device is there | 03:07 |
| \sh | no real network device ... | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | \sh: interface 'lo' has to be up | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | but nothing else needs to be | 03:07 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: that's the two main tasks that need be completed for breezy? | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | as long as 127.0.0.1/localhost resolve | 03:07 |
| \sh | it is....but when I disable the wifi (when I was in the train just now) | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: I'm sure there's *lots* of other tasks, like packages that FTBFS | 03:07 |
| siretart | sivang: they are always important goals! :) | 03:07 |
| \sh | completly, even wireless-tools were segfaulting | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: and don't forget reviewing! ;) | 03:07 |
| \sh | strange thing | 03:07 |
| \sh | s | 03:07 |
| siretart | \sh: oh. that sounds like major breakage.. | 03:07 |
| ajmitch_ | ok, can people please write up everything they know needs done on MOTUTodo, please? | 03:07 |
| \sh | siretart: I have to reproduce it...again | 03:08 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: well, I can't review yet :) Have to get a couple of my own pkgs in before that I assmue ... | 03:08 |
| \sh | but first I will write my installation report | 03:08 |
| ajmitch_ | and we can also discuss what needs done in the next few weeks at the next MOTU meeting (which is on 24/8 ) | 03:08 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: that would be great, so each time I get some time on hands I won't have to ask around :) | 03:09 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: ok, but you can still add comments to other's packages :) | 03:09 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: yeah, I don't know everything that needs done, so we need to keep track of it | 03:09 |
| === ajmitch_ wishes debian development was often as fun as MOTU work ;) | ||
| highvoltage | ajmitch_: what's the difference? | 03:12 |
| ajmitch_ | highvoltage: usually less teamwork in debian, more flames :) | 03:12 |
| ajmitch_ | although that depends on the area that you work in | 03:13 |
| highvoltage | sounds like some debian guys just need to ligthen up a bit. | 03:16 |
| ajmitch_ | oh sure | 03:16 |
| ajmitch_ | debian can still be a lot of fun though | 03:17 |
| ajmitch_ | any suggestions from the channel on what needs to go on the MOTUTodo list? | 03:17 |
| === ajmitch_ hears the deafening silence | ||
| highvoltage | *cough* | 03:18 |
| sivang | what's MOTUToMerge all about? | 03:19 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch_: i would contribute, if i understood myself what needs to be done. | 03:19 |
| ajmitch_ | highvoltage: any ideas about what we might be missing from universe that needs fixed? | 03:19 |
| ajmitch_ | things you may have come acrss | 03:19 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: I'm thinking of adding the ghc6 stuff to MOTUTodo | 03:20 |
| highvoltage | not recently. i'll have to rack my brain a bit. | 03:20 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: but it consists mainly of waiting on upstream releasing a new version or someone willing to test the preview release | 03:21 |
| Lathiat | hrm, if you remove the login sound | 03:21 |
| Lathiat | it still plays | 03:21 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: yeah, they said 6.4.1 'real soon now' on the list | 03:21 |
| ajmitch_ | so we'll have to get that bootstrapped on the buildd | 03:21 |
| siretart | whatever 'RSN' means to them.. | 03:22 |
| ajmitch_ | :) | 03:22 |
| ajmitch_ | for some upstreams, 'RSN' means 6 months ;) | 03:22 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: for some distributions, it means nearly 12 months ;) | 03:23 |
| siretart | just joking.. | 03:23 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: except debian :) | 03:23 |
| \sh | hmm | 03:23 |
| ajmitch_ | sarge was slated for release in december 2003, iirc ;) | 03:23 |
| siretart | IIRC, that was the date predicted by aj back then.. | 03:24 |
| siretart | after that GR, it was clear that sarge had to be delayed.. | 03:24 |
| ajmitch_ | yup | 03:24 |
| tseng | siretart: is there a good reason to have archived uploads show up on the main page? | 03:24 |
| ajmitch_ | morning tseng | 03:25 |
| tseng | hi | 03:25 |
| siretart | tseng: you want them on a different page? | 03:25 |
| ajmitch_ | "This proposal has made me put some faith back into Debian. I hope the release manager can enforce this plan and we'll see Sarge in 2003, not 2005." | 03:25 |
| tseng | the main page is huge now | 03:25 |
| ajmitch_ | hah | 03:25 |
| tseng | just an idea | 03:25 |
| siretart | well. hm | 03:25 |
| siretart | I'm quite quick with archiving, ppl would be confused why their uploads have dissappeared.. | 03:26 |
| tseng | i see | 03:26 |
| sistpoty | yep, archiving was also planned for packages needing work... revu2 will differentiate here ;) | 03:27 |
| tseng | ok | 03:27 |
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| sistpoty | we just should get started coding on it ;) | 03:27 |
| tseng | what are the big changes? | 03:28 |
| sistpoty | package lifecycle, different pages if you are a reviewer or contributor... | 03:29 |
| siretart | sistpoty: right :) | 03:29 |
| sistpoty | many things are listed on REVUDevelopment (wiki) | 03:29 |
| ajmitch_ | ah, if only all those issues raised on the forums were filed as bugs... | 03:32 |
| siretart | sistpoty: did you actually try to build scorched3d? | 03:35 |
| siretart | sistpoty: I'm currently on it. it FTBFS on amd64 in current form for me :( | 03:35 |
| ajmitch_ | siretart: FTBFS in what way? | 03:35 |
| ajmitch_ | if it's openal related... | 03:35 |
| siretart | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288578\ | 03:35 |
| sistpoty | siretart: yep | 03:35 |
| siretart | without '\' | 03:35 |
| ajmitch_ | oh evil int/pointer stuff | 03:36 |
| sistpoty | siretart: didn't fail on i386 | 03:36 |
| siretart | very evil | 03:36 |
| ajmitch_ | sistpoty: it doesn't fail because the datatypes are the same on i386 | 03:36 |
| ajmitch_ | but not on amd64 | 03:36 |
| highvoltage | why do the debian scripts use #!/bin/sh -e? What does the "-e" switch do? I couldn't find it in the sh/bash man page. | 03:36 |
| sistpoty | highvoltage: exit on error | 03:36 |
| siretart | highvoltage: the script will abort if any command fails | 03:36 |
| siretart | highvoltage: handy for debugging and for getting users to report usable bugs | 03:37 |
| siretart | reports | 03:37 |
| sistpoty | hm... this is strange, i didn't see any warnings in the buildlog of scorched3d | 03:38 |
| ajmitch_ | highvoltage: it's about 2400 lines into the manpage, which is why you didn't see it ;) | 03:38 |
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| pef | hi | 03:39 |
| sistpoty | hi pef | 03:39 |
| highvoltage | ah ok, thanks :) | 03:40 |
| siretart | hm. first patch for scorched3d.. hmm | 03:41 |
| ajmitch_ | hello pef | 03:41 |
| siretart | but this one seems to have no problems with amd64/gcc-4.0 :) | 03:42 |
| siretart | so updated openal would be a benefit | 03:42 |
| ajmitch_ | what is the current version of openal in breezy, and what is the new version? | 03:45 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/openal | 03:47 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, quite a version change between the 2 | 03:48 |
| siretart | jupp | 03:48 |
| ajmitch_ | are they API/ABI compatible? | 03:48 |
| siretart | but it seems required for scorched3d | 03:48 |
| siretart | not sure.. | 03:48 |
| === ajmitch_ installs latest openal in sid | ||
| ajmitch_ | different SONAME, so anything depending will need rebuilt | 03:50 |
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| ajmitch_ | why doesn't scorched3d list it as a build dep? | 03:52 |
| === ajmitch_ counts 8 packages otherwise that would need rebuilt | ||
| siretart | ok. at least it has a .shlibs file (there was a bug about this) | 03:52 |
| siretart | ajmitch_: scorched3d version 39 (the new upstream version) needs that | 03:52 |
| ajmitch_ | right | 03:53 |
| siretart | ok, -39 build succeeded, segfaults instantly :( | 03:53 |
| siretart | in 32bit chroot | 03:53 |
| ajmitch_ | which isn't in sid | 03:53 |
| siretart | jepp | 03:53 |
| siretart | I upgraded locally here for testing | 03:53 |
| sistpoty | hm... dou you have a buildlog of the current version? | 03:53 |
| \sh | ok...writing my installation report...bbl | 03:54 |
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| siretart | sistpoty: sure: http://siretart.tauware.de/scorched3d_39-1_i386.build | 03:55 |
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| sistpoty | siretart: erm... i mean amd64 ;) | 03:57 |
| sistpoty | siretart: and the current version, not the new one | 03:57 |
| siretart | sistpoty: no, I want to concentrate ind i386 first. here, it segfaults instantly :/ | 03:57 |
| sistpoty | ok | 03:57 |
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| sistpoty | cya later | 04:03 |
| highvoltage | is a debian-metapackage just a package that contains no files, but with dependencies, or is there another way that it should be done? | 04:03 |
| sivang | highvoltage: I thnk you are right for most o fthe cases | 04:04 |
| ajmitch_ | highvoltage: generally, yes | 04:04 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: :) | 04:04 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: however, I can imagine a meta pakcage that does has some sort of files, conffiles maybe ? | 04:05 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: I don't think it would be very meta then | 04:05 |
| sivang | ajmitch_: right sorry, I was more thinkg in an OOP way :) | 04:05 |
| === ajmitch_ wonders how the laptop upgrade went | ||
| ajmitch_ | stalled on conffile question.. still got a bunch of packages to go :) | 04:07 |
| Lathiat | heh | 04:07 |
| Lathiat | i love that | 04:07 |
| ajmitch_ | aha, thuban finally uploaded, mbreit can be happy now :) | 04:08 |
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| highvoltage | ajmitch_: i just found something that needs to be packaged, although it's a bit soon atm. | 04:14 |
| highvoltage | ajmitch_: http://pc.ign.com/articles/641/641567p1.html | 04:14 |
| ajmitch_ | highvoltage: is it on UniverseCandidates? | 04:16 |
| ajmitch_ | if not, put it there :) | 04:16 |
| ajmitch_ | and the game engine alone isn't useful | 04:17 |
| ajmitch_ | perhaps for breezy+1 it could be packaged | 04:17 |
| highvoltage | true. | 04:17 |
| highvoltage | i think it's great though. it might open the door to future gpl games. | 04:18 |
| ajmitch_ | possibly | 04:19 |
| ajmitch_ | but that's a future thing to look at :) | 04:19 |
| ajmitch_ | we only have ~8-9 weeks until release | 04:19 |
| ajmitch_ | herve: the debdiff of zope 2.7 looks a lot lot bigger between debian & ubuntu than the changelog would indicate - have a number of ubuntu changelog entries been dropped? | 04:23 |
| ajmitch_ | herve: I'm writing up summaries of the debdiffs that there are (currently 44 of them) | 04:23 |
| herve | the point is that the debian one makes changes directly into the source | 04:24 |
| herve | doko and I moved them to dpatches | 04:24 |
| herve | also the package from unstable doesn't use zope-common and debhelper-zope yet | 04:24 |
| ajmitch_ | alright, that's good | 04:24 |
| herve | this makes drop debconf templates and alike | 04:24 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, and prerm scripts | 04:25 |
| ajmitch_ | & postrm, etc :) | 04:25 |
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| herve | yada yada -:) | 04:25 |
| ajmitch_ | http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/zope/REVIEW for what I've started on | 04:26 |
| ajmitch_ | talked with madduck, kobold, etc and will post this to the list ASAP | 04:26 |
| ajmitch_ | get some integration discussion going :) | 04:26 |
| herve | most of the ubuntu versions will be dropped in the near future | 04:27 |
| herve | I mean after breezy :-) | 04:27 |
| ajmitch_ | of course | 04:27 |
| ajmitch_ | that's what I'm trying to do ;) | 04:27 |
| herve | I don't know when fabio will upload to unstable | 04:27 |
| ajmitch_ | no point duplicating the work in debian, just use the ubuntu changes if possible | 04:27 |
| HostingGeek | can xchat-gnome be rebuilt | 04:28 |
| HostingGeek | preferbly use xchat-common for the common files | 04:28 |
| HostingGeek | it only needs the stuff in the folder fe-gnome | 04:28 |
| Lathiat | your welcome to fix it | 04:29 |
| HostingGeek | Lathiat: yea it takes more time for one of you to review it... | 04:29 |
| HostingGeek | Lathiat: all it is a simple change in configure.in | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | so patch it and give it to someone | 04:29 |
| HostingGeek | and some dependces changes | 04:29 |
| Lathiat | feel free to give it to me | 04:30 |
| ajmitch_ | you'd have to give us more than those vague answers | 04:30 |
| ajmitch_ | 'some dependces changes' really doesn't tell us much | 04:30 |
| HostingGeek | and can we make work with ubuntu-desktop | 04:30 |
| ajmitch_ | no | 04:30 |
| HostingGeek | I am thinking of making xchat a dummy package | 04:31 |
| ajmitch_ | it would need to be seeded to main for that | 04:31 |
| HostingGeek | change the current xchat into xchat-gtk | 04:31 |
| HostingGeek | anyway I need to stab seb128 | 04:32 |
| HostingGeek | brb | 04:32 |
| Lathiat | bah i just remembered why i stopped using gnome-terminal apart from the speed | 04:32 |
| HostingGeek | --- seb128 :No such nick/channel | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | that stupid irssi/screen bug | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | HostingGeek: yes he didn't want to be stabbed | 04:33 |
| HostingGeek | Lathiat: so you use x-g? | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | no | 04:33 |
| ajmitch_ | Lathiat: which bug was that? | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | ajmitch_: the screen goes all black or all blue | 04:33 |
| HostingGeek | Lathiat: I don't want my changes to be ubuntu only... they should be added to debian | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | used to happen all the time | 04:33 |
| ajmitch_ | Lathiat: ah | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | these days usually only starts happening after you change the theme/size/open a tab/font dpi | 04:33 |
| Lathiat | but i just had a similar issue with vim | 04:34 |
| Lathiat | its gotten worse :\ | 04:34 |
| Lathiat | i was using mrxvt | 04:34 |
| HostingGeek | Lathiat: if not we will make Ian Murduk very anrgy!!! | 04:34 |
| Lathiat | which is great but you cant shade the transparent background | 04:34 |
| ajmitch_ | HostingGeek: so talk to the debian maintainer | 04:34 |
| Lathiat | and it doesnt do utf8 | 04:34 |
| HostingGeek | ajmitch_: hehehe | 04:34 |
| herve | Lathiat, gnome-terminal lately got a real speed improvement | 04:34 |
| HostingGeek | Davide Puricelli (evo) <evo@debian.org> | 04:34 |
| HostingGeek | evo is not on this network | 04:35 |
| herve | and I use it everyday, I don't have to complain about the speed | 04:35 |
| ajmitch_ | HostingGeek: so what? use email, like other people do | 04:35 |
| herve | though I don't watch DVDs using ascii art ;-) | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | herve: yeh its not too bad | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | sucks if your scrolling line by line | 04:35 |
| HostingGeek | ajmitch_: I am no email user | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | on afullscreen terminal | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | tho | 04:35 |
| HostingGeek | ajmitch_: I will never use email | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | but its the irssi bug that annoys me really | 04:35 |
| HostingGeek | ajmitch_: its got to many problems | 04:35 |
| Lathiat | HostingGeek: Go away | 04:35 |
| ajmitch_ | HostingGeek: well then don't complain that your pet changes don't get adopted, if you're not willing to communicate | 04:35 |
| HostingGeek | ajmitch_: its not my changes... anyone would of thought of them they are the make whats insane... sane | 04:37 |
| ajmitch_ | whatever | 04:37 |
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| ajmitch_ | herve: I wonder if we can justify getting zope 2.7.7 in :) | 04:41 |
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| herve | with Zope always, because there are always ZODB fixes | 04:41 |
| herve | but a freeze is a freeze | 04:41 |
| herve | and never freeze again what has been unfreezen ;-) | 04:42 |
| ajmitch_ | hehe | 04:42 |
| herve | now it's b***p***s concerns | 04:42 |
| ajmitch_ | I'm more concerned with being able to use plone 2.1, etc | 04:43 |
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| herve | plone 2.1 won't enter breezy anyway | 04:43 |
| ajmitch_ | universe UVF is more flexible than main, but we'd still have to get approval from someone | 04:43 |
| ajmitch_ | I know it won't, but people will want to run it on breezy | 04:43 |
| ajmitch_ | so they'd need to run zope from source as well | 04:44 |
| herve | and plone 2.1 has strong requirements for Zope 2.7.7? | 04:44 |
| ajmitch_ | no big pain for them | 04:44 |
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| ajmitch_ | yes, plone 2.1 requires 2.7.7 according to #321405 | 04:45 |
| ajmitch_ | I haven't checked it myself | 04:45 |
| herve | this is a debian bug number, | 04:46 |
| herve | ? | 04:46 |
| ajmitch_ | yes :) | 04:46 |
| ajmitch_ | ubuntu doesn't have quite that many bugs yet ;) | 04:46 |
| herve | hey! there's a stylesheet on the bugs page! | 04:47 |
| ajmitch_ | "requires Zope 2.7.7 or 2.8.1 and Python 2.3.5 installed" | 04:47 |
| ajmitch_ | yeah, it's a good improvement | 04:47 |
| ajmitch_ | plone 2.1 is only at rc2 anyway | 04:47 |
| herve | I'm looking for the "why" | 04:48 |
| ajmitch_ | so I guess it's not too urgent | 04:48 |
| herve | wow! 7.6 MB for a plone tarball | 04:49 |
| ajmitch_ | it's getting heavy | 04:50 |
| ajmitch_ | you're right, I'd say that with plone 2.1 being a way off, then we don't want to break freeze | 04:50 |
| ajmitch_ | http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.7b1/CHANGES.txt doesn't have enough compelling reasons :) | 04:50 |
| herve | as I told you, I focus on ZODB bugfixes | 04:51 |
| ajmitch_ | right | 04:51 |
| ajmitch_ | I mainly care about zope upgrades for memory issues, and plone compatibility | 04:52 |
| herve | ok I admit, I mainly care to move over from zope ;-) | 04:52 |
| herve | that was the beta1 changes | 04:52 |
| ajmitch_ | heh | 04:52 |
| herve | zope 2.7.7 final removes a possible zodb fscking | 04:53 |
| ajmitch_ | ok | 04:53 |
| ajmitch_ | that changes list was linked from the 2.7.7 folder | 04:53 |
| herve | maybe after having drunk too much at a zope sprint ;-) | 04:54 |
| ajmitch_ | :) | 04:54 |
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| herve | I couldn't find the reason | 05:00 |
| herve | there is a reference to a hidden feature of zpt | 05:00 |
| herve | but the change doesn't seem to have been accepted | 05:00 |
| herve | or it was but this feature only works since zope 2.7.7 | 05:01 |
| herve | but still undocumented | 05:01 |
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| ajmitch_ | ok, we'll stick with 2.7.4 then? | 05:02 |
| herve | we'll stick with zope ;-) | 05:03 |
| ajmitch_ | herve: what, you don't want to move everything to ruby on rails? ;) | 05:04 |
| herve | no, no | 05:04 |
| herve | I'm not keen on buzzwords :-) | 05:05 |
| ajmitch_ | hehe | 05:05 |
| ajmitch_ | 3am, I'd better go to bed if I can sleep :) | 05:08 |
| herve | sure thing :-) | 05:08 |
| herve | good night | 05:08 |
| ajmitch_ | night | 05:09 |
| slomo | hmm... python-gtk2 is missing a depend to python-cairo... | 05:11 |
| herve | I saw that yes | 05:12 |
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| Lathiat | yeh | 05:12 |
| herve | but I don't know if it's a real dependency | 05:12 |
| Lathiat | i emailed seb128 about it | 05:12 |
| Lathiat | it is | 05:12 |
| slomo | herve: at least it doesn't work without it ;) | 05:12 |
| herve | or because scripts use "from gtk import *" :-) | 05:13 |
| slomo | Lathiat: ok, fine :) | 05:13 |
| Lathiat | herve: nah, you need it | 05:13 |
| Lathiat | import gtk fails too | 05:13 |
| Lathiat | as gtk imports it | 05:13 |
| herve | ha ok, good reason then -:) | 05:13 |
| slomo | ...and libid3 or easytag is broken... ;) nice | 05:19 |
| tseng | good thing there is cowbell | 05:19 |
| Lathiat | bling | 05:19 |
| slomo | tseng: yes... but it currently is missing a function i need ;) filling the tags by parsing the filename | 05:20 |
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| tseng | mmm file bugs | 05:21 |
| tseng | he fixed mine in no time | 05:21 |
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| slomo | yeah later... first i try to fix id3lib or easytag ;) | 05:24 |
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| slomo | ok, we need to sync easytag from debian ;) elmo doesn't work on weekends? | 05:29 |
| herve | rarely | 05:34 |
| slomo | hm... well i sent him a mail ;) | 05:35 |
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| Lathiat | because hes been busy? | 05:36 |
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| pef | how can I remove config.{guess,sub} from my .diff.gz ? deleting them from debian/rules clean target doesn't work | 05:57 |
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| sivang | pef: When I have my patchesd ready (using simple-patchsys or dpath) I just get a freash source pkg, | 06:19 |
| sivang | pef: then drop the patches into debian/patches | 06:19 |
| sivang | pef: and debuild -S | 06:19 |
| sivang | pef: works every time | 06:19 |
| sivang | pef: so usually I have one source tree where I produce diffs/patches in, and one for creating the source pkg for "shipping" :) | 06:20 |
| herve | hmm... I use a single tree for that | 06:29 |
| pef | sivang: will try this, thanks for the tip | 06:33 |
| pef | sivang: have you the gpg error with debuild ? "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use" | 06:34 |
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| highvoltage | i have a directory full of .deb files, how can I get a list of all the package names without the _0.0.0-1ubuntu_arch.deb part? | 06:35 |
| Lathiat | |cut -d_ -f1 ? :) | 06:35 |
| herve | basename maybe | 06:36 |
| highvoltage | Lathiat: wow, I never new about the cut command. thanks! | 06:36 |
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| sivang | pef: I never paid attention to the GPG waring/error messages while debuiling, I lost my signed key, so when I'll get a new one I will start tackeling this :) | 06:37 |
| sivang | pef: but I don't recall this error from the builds I've done | 06:42 |
| pef | sivang: It seems to ba a known bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322208 | 06:42 |
| sivang | pef: maybe because I havn't entered my GPG Key I don't get this error | 06:42 |
| pef | sivang: debuild put config.{guess,sub} in diff.gz too :/ | 06:42 |
| sivang | pef: that's weird, have you tried deblcean ? | 06:43 |
| sivang | pef: sorry, debclean ? | 06:43 |
| pef | sivang: already have theses files... probably a problem in upstram tarball _again_ (already a debian layout) | 06:52 |
| pef | but thanks for the info :) | 06:52 |
| pef | have to leave | 06:52 |
| pef | bye ! | 06:52 |
| Seveas | Hello masters :) | 07:00 |
| Seveas | can anybody help me getting rid of a pbuilder error? | 07:00 |
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| Seveas | Hi Mez | 07:02 |
| Mez | hyey | 07:03 |
| Seveas | Do you know your way around pbuilder? | 07:03 |
| Mez | pretty much | 07:04 |
| Mez | why | 07:04 |
| Seveas | I'm new to it and getting an error | 07:04 |
| Seveas | just did a pbuilder create | 07:04 |
| Seveas | and now a pbuilder build | 07:04 |
| Seveas | and this happens: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1232 | 07:04 |
| Seveas | Any clue on what to do? | 07:05 |
| Mez | probably a new apt version gone wrong | 07:07 |
| Seveas | hmm | 07:07 |
| Seveas | what to do..? | 07:07 |
| Mez | no idea | 07:08 |
| Seveas | dang | 07:08 |
| sivang | Seveas: you need to force installation of un authenticated pakcages, so it seems | 07:11 |
| Seveas | how can I do that with pbuilder? -y --force-yes does it for apt outside pbuilder | 07:11 |
| sivang | Seveas: you need to try to pass the suggested comand line args, if it didn't ask you to confirm installation of the unauthenticated packagtes - like it did for me | 07:11 |
| Seveas | ok, so if I say pbuilder -y --force yes, it will pass these arguments on to apt? | 07:12 |
| sivang | let's try :) | 07:12 |
| sivang | usually, that's the way you give pbuilder args to pass to apt? | 07:13 |
| Seveas | it does not work | 07:13 |
| Seveas | and I'm new to pbuilder (I didn't use it until an hour ago) so whatever you tell me I take for granted :) | 07:13 |
| sivang | Seveas: oh, then let me check around a bit more, I know it alwasy asked me ti say "yes" on the untrusted packages. :) | 07:14 |
| Seveas | it does not even ask me | 07:14 |
| Seveas | it simply fails | 07:14 |
| Seveas | the manpages for pbuilder and pbuilderrc have not helped me yet | 07:15 |
| Seveas | OVERRIDE_APTLINES=no | 07:17 |
| Seveas | pbuilder dumpconfig says that | 07:18 |
| Seveas | maybe that can do something? (I hate undocumented features :)) | 07:18 |
| Lathiat | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto | 07:20 |
| Seveas | but of course | 07:21 |
| Seveas | how stupid of me | 07:21 |
| Seveas | thank you | 07:21 |
| Lathiat | nps | 07:21 |
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| HostingGeek | OMG!!!! | 07:23 |
| HostingGeek | we need google browser packages ASAP | 07:23 |
| HostingGeek | http://sourceforge.net/projects/gbrowser/ | 07:23 |
| HostingGeek | lets be the first distro to get it | 07:23 |
| HostingGeek | you got 23min to package build and post in the reps | 07:23 |
| HostingGeek | I am submittiing it to slashdot now saying ubuntu is getting a package as we talk | 07:24 |
| thierry | and to who are you talking? | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | Feel free to throw yourself off a cliff at the first available oppurtunity. | 07:24 |
| thierry | ho ok sorry | 07:24 |
| Lathiat | (i was talking to HostingGeek, not you thierry) | 07:25 |
| sivang | Lathiat: lol | 07:25 |
| thierry | Lathiat : I've been building gnome-chemical-utils and it build nicely and install great and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what do I do now? | 07:25 |
| thierry | Lathiat : that's alright | 07:25 |
| Lathiat | thierry: What changes did you make? just a rebuild? | 07:25 |
| Lathiat | sivang: you think im joking? :) | 07:25 |
| HostingGeek | ITS GOOGLE!!!! | 07:26 |
| HostingGeek | we packages for them! | 07:26 |
| sivang | HostingGeek: not everybody like google, you know :) | 07:26 |
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| thierry | Lathiat : yes and the /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends you've learn me yesterday | 07:26 |
| Lathiat | and your annoying, i retract my previous comment, and ask that you make the time to do it now. | 07:26 |
| Seveas | (note: there is a reason that HostingGeek is banned on #ubuntu) | 07:26 |
| Lathiat | thierry: Cool, so you could provide a debdiff to someone to review | 07:26 |
| Lathiat | Seveas: yeh i wish he was klined | 07:26 |
| thierry | Lathiat : a debdiff of what? I didn't change anything! If I do a changelof what should I write? rebuilded and works fine ? | 07:27 |
| Lathiat | thierry: what were the unmet deps? | 07:27 |
| thierry | don't know I didn't changed anything... I just did /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends and everything worked | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | i mean | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | whats on the unmet list | 07:28 |
| Lathiat | let me look | 07:28 |
| thierry | k... tell me when you'll find it because I really don't know what you're talking aboutr | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | ok in this case it was due to libopenbabel's C++ transition | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | so an appropriate changelog entry si | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | * Rebuild to complete C++ transition. | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | and make sure the version is Xubuntu1 | 07:29 |
| Lathiat | and not X+1 | 07:29 |
| thierry | k | 07:30 |
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| thierry | Lathiat : but how did you see that it was due to libopenbabel's C++ transition? | 07:31 |
| Lathiat | thierry: because i looked in apt-cache unmet, and the reason it wouldnt install was due to a missing libopenbabel package | 07:32 |
| Lathiat | so i did a apt-cache search libopenbabel | 07:32 |
| Lathiat | and saw there is now libopenbabel0c2 | 07:32 |
| Lathiat | and the c2 stuff on packages means they were C++ and had to be changed/rebuilt for GCC4s new C++ ABI | 07:32 |
| Lathiat | but that package hadnt been rebuilt against it yet | 07:32 |
| slomo | HostingGeek: where do you read that gbrowser is something made by google? | 07:35 |
| HostingGeek | hehehe | 07:39 |
| HostingGeek | slomo: gbrowser.com is probberly owned by this project and they changed the whois info for fun lol | 07:40 |
| Lathiat | slomo: He's being his usual self, just ignore him | 07:44 |
| Seveas | Lathiat, yeah! after the wiki instructions it works | 07:49 |
| Seveas | thanks again :) | 07:49 |
| Lathiat | Seveas: :) | 07:49 |
| Seveas | MOTU here I come *g* | 07:50 |
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| thierry | Lathiat : I have a problem , when I do "sudo dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S" to get my new .dsc with gnome-chemistry-utils , I get an error | 07:56 |
| Lathiat | thierry: which is | 07:57 |
| thierry | Lathiat : I'll paste it in a private message | 07:58 |
| HostingGeek | you can use #flood | 08:20 |
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| Lathiat | private message works fine | 08:23 |
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| Seveas | I just completed my first real package ever, hug me :) | 08:43 |
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| tseng | slomo: are there any more deps pending for gst-plguins-multiverse? | 08:45 |
| Yagisan | Seveas: What did you build ? | 08:45 |
| slomo | tseng: dirac | 08:46 |
| slomo | but that's it | 08:46 |
| Seveas | Yagisan, gnome-sudoku | 08:46 |
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| tseng | slomo: hm rock on | 08:47 |
| slomo | tseng: please look at dirac and vote ;) there are just 2 votes missing... | 08:48 |
| tseng | i did | 08:48 |
| Yagisan | Seveas: What's that ? a replacement for gnome-sudo ? | 08:48 |
| slomo | tseng: thanks :) | 08:49 |
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| Seveas | Yagisan, I packaged gnome-sudoku | 08:49 |
| Seveas | lol :) | 08:49 |
| Seveas | no, it's a japanese puzzle game | 08:49 |
| Yagisan | what's sudoku ? | 08:50 |
| Seveas | 9x9 number puzzle | 08:50 |
| Seveas | every line and row should contain all numbers 1--9 exactly once | 08:50 |
| Seveas | and every 3x3 subsquare (so 9 of them) should also fulfull that requirement | 08:51 |
| Seveas | really cool, i'm completely addicted to it :) | 08:51 |
| Yagisan | Ah, I understand now. | 08:51 |
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| Seveas | http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1234 <-- screenshot | 08:52 |
| Yagisan | I have a really dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. How would I fix this lintian error | 08:53 |
| Yagisan | E: deng: shlib-with-executable-bit usr/games/deng/lib/libjdoom.so.0.0.0 0755 | 08:53 |
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| tseng | chmod -x it in rules | 08:55 |
| tseng | binary-predeb maybe | 08:55 |
| Yagisan | I put chmod 644 debian/deng/usr/games/deng/lib/* into debian/rules but it didn't work | 08:55 |
| Yagisan | binary-predeb ? | 08:56 |
| tseng | the target | 08:56 |
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| shawarma | Hi! When I use one of the 2.6.12 kernels, during boot it switches to a screen with a Ubuntu heading and a white box in the bottom half of the screen. I guess that box is supposed to contain boot mesages and such, but is it supposed to work now? | 08:58 |
| shawarma | On my system it doesn't change, but after a while (7-8 seconds, I guess), it goes away and boot continues normally. | 08:59 |
| shawarma | ...or is that just another thing that's weird about my install? | 09:00 |
| \sh | re | 09:10 |
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| shawarma | Ok, what I'm seeing is apparantly the usplash thing.. Who is working on that? | 09:32 |
| sladen | shawarma: mjg59 | 09:33 |
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| shawarma | sladen: Thanks | 09:34 |
| \sh | sladen: I just red your report on your thinkpad r52 | 09:34 |
| \sh | s/red/read/ | 09:34 |
| sladen | \sh: any useful comments? | 09:37 |
| \sh | it's very complete :) did u try a breezy colony install? | 09:38 |
| Seveas | Lintian is puzzling me, can anyone explain this: | 09:40 |
| Seveas | E: gnome-sudoku: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/bin/gnome-sudoku | 09:40 |
| Seveas | And I have this in debian/control | 09:40 |
| Seveas | Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 >= 2.3.93, python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging | 09:40 |
| \sh | what about python2.4 as dep? | 09:42 |
| Seveas | python:Depends=python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4) | 09:42 |
| Seveas | wouldn't that do it? | 09:42 |
| \sh | should work | 09:43 |
| Seveas | (it's wat dh_python gave) | 09:43 |
| \sh | jesus...this baby is getting hot...wow.. | 09:43 |
| slomo | \sh: don't burn you legs ;) | 09:44 |
| Seveas | puzzle 2: debian/$package/DEBIAN/control contains no Depends: line at all :S | 09:44 |
| \sh | slomo: hehe | 09:45 |
| \sh | hmm...and it doesn't have any stereo output possibility this baby. | 09:46 |
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| slomo | hm i think i'll make a new package this evening... fatsort ;) | 09:47 |
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| Seveas | OK, linda shuts up now, but can someone help me with this weird error? | 09:57 |
| Seveas | No Depens: line in .dsc even though there is one in debian/control | 09:58 |
| Seveas | No MOTU awake I guess :( | 10:12 |
| Seveas | ah well, I'll try again later :) | 10:12 |
| sivang | ok guys, I'm at home now - anything quick I can help with? | 10:12 |
| Seveas | well, I need a bit help :) | 10:13 |
| sivang | Seveas: yeah, shoot | 10:14 |
| Seveas | OK, linda shuts up now, but can someone help me with this weird error? | 10:14 |
| Seveas | No Depends: line in .dsc even though there is one in debian/control | 10:14 |
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| Seveas | http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1239 debian/control and debian/$package/DEBIAN/control | 10:15 |
| Seveas | I don't see where it goes wrong | 10:15 |
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| Seveas | I appreciate any help, this is my first package :) | 10:17 |
| sivang | ! there's already a sudoku game for gnome?? | 10:18 |
| Seveas | yeah | 10:18 |
| Seveas | I'm so addicted to it :) | 10:18 |
| sivang | Seveas: where is the source package? | 10:19 |
| Seveas | gnome-sudoku.sf.net | 10:19 |
| Seveas | It's a simply python distutils package, I'm using cdbs for the debfile | 10:19 |
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| sivang | Seveas: Do you mind if I give it a try? | 10:20 |
| Seveas | of course not, I can give you what I tried so far | 10:20 |
| Seveas | http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/sudoku.tar.gz | 10:21 |
| sivang | Seveas: Ok, I will try with that since I don't know what cdbs foo you need to add in order to package python stuff - I'll copycat fro your rules file :) | 10:23 |
| sivang | Seveas: all I did for now was mostly gnome GTK packaging | 10:24 |
| Seveas | it's simply adding the manpage (which i wrote) and commenting out some stuff in setup.py | 10:24 |
| sivang | Seveas: I've unpacked your source pkg , let's se the debuild error | 10:24 |
| Seveas | pbuilder goes fine | 10:24 |
| Seveas | only lintian borks | 10:25 |
| sivang | Seveas: ah, ok, sec | 10:25 |
| Seveas | given that there is no Depends:, i can see why :) | 10:25 |
| Seveas | any luck yet? | 10:29 |
| sivang | Seveas: second, sorry | 10:29 |
| Seveas | I'm not in a hurry, just eager to know what I did wrong :) | 10:32 |
| sivang | 'build/bdist.linux-i686' does not exist -- can't clean it | 10:33 |
| sivang | ^^ ? | 10:33 |
| sivang | Seveas: you have any idea what is this? :) | 10:34 |
| Seveas | yeah, crapola from setup.py | 10:34 |
| Seveas | I still need to clean that thing out | 10:34 |
| sivang | Seveas: so how did you build it? :) | 10:35 |
| Seveas | But I found a better errordescription by running dpkg-gencontrol manually: | 10:35 |
| Seveas | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends} | 10:35 |
| sivang | Seveas: ah you see, you can already teach me pacakging | 10:35 |
| Seveas | that build/bdist stuff is not fatal | 10:35 |
| sivang | Seveas: k | 10:39 |
| ajmitch_ | morning all | 10:39 |
| sivang | mornign ajmitch_ | 10:39 |
| sivang | Seveas: mayeb you need to wrtie python as Python ? | 10:39 |
| sivang | Seveas: it does not recognize the subst var | 10:39 |
| Seveas | ok, adding a -T to dpkg-gencotrol (which presumably dh_* does) worked | 10:39 |
| Seveas | but did not solve the original error | 10:39 |
| Seveas | still no Depends: line in DEBIAN/control or .dsc | 10:39 |
| ajmitch_ | you are using dh_python, right? | 10:39 |
| sivang | Seveas: I have a feeling ajmitch_ can be of more help to you :) | 10:40 |
| ajmitch_ | cdbs... show us your debian/rules | 10:40 |
| ajmitch_ | sivang: not much, I have to leave for work 'real soon now; ;) | 10:41 |
| Seveas | DAMNIT | 10:41 |
| Seveas | sorrym I just found the error | 10:41 |
| ajmitch_ | Seveas: oh? :) | 10:41 |
| Seveas | very stupid mistake | 10:41 |
| ajmitch_ | mistakes usually are | 10:41 |
| Seveas | Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 >= 2.3.93, python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging | 10:41 |
| Seveas | try to spot it | 10:41 |
| ajmitch_ | the missing brackets for the version? | 10:41 |
| Seveas | yup | 10:41 |
| Seveas | been searching for that error for quite some time now | 10:41 |
| sivang | Seveas: what missing brackets? | 10:41 |
| === ajmitch_ must have glanced at it far too quickly :) | ||
| Seveas | Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 (>=2.3.93), python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging | 10:41 |
| Seveas | sivang, spot the difference | 10:41 |
| sivang | Seveas: ah :) | 10:42 |
| sivang | Seveas: got it now | 10:42 |
| sivang | Seveas: I guess I'm too tired after a day's work to be helping anyone ;-) | 10:42 |
| Seveas | hehe | 10:42 |
| Seveas | W: gnome-sudoku source: native-package-with-dash-version | 10:43 |
| Seveas | W: gnome-sudoku source: build-depends-without-arch-dep | 10:43 |
| Seveas | last 2 lintian messages to solve | 10:43 |
| ajmitch_ | Seveas: make sure you have an orig.tar.gz, *not* just a tar.gz | 10:43 |
| ajmitch_ | and you have no Build-Depends line at all | 10:44 |
| Seveas | shouldn't dh_make do that? | 10:44 |
| Seveas | I have a build-depends line | 10:44 |
| ajmitch_ | s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/ | 10:44 |
| Seveas | right... | 10:44 |
| ajmitch_ | dh_make? you're using cdbs... | 10:45 |
| Seveas | dh_make os for the initial debianization... | 10:45 |
| Seveas | s/os/is/ | 10:45 |
| ajmitch_ | ugh | 10:45 |
| === ajmitch_ doesn't like using that now :) | ||
| tseng | cp -a tomboy-0.3.2/debian . | 10:45 |
| tseng | edit | 10:45 |
| tseng | debianization :) | 10:45 |
| ajmitch_ | ok, I've got to run to work, I'll be back later | 10:45 |
| Seveas | (maint-guide quote) | 10:46 |
| ajmitch_ | Seveas: just change Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep | 10:47 |
| Seveas | how to solve the other one? | 10:47 |
| ajmitch_ | use the upstream tarball as orig.tar.gz | 10:47 |
| Seveas | ah wait, got it | 10:47 |
| sivang | Seveas: I'm leaving as well. Bed time :-/ | 10:47 |
| sivang | (work tommorow) | 10:48 |
| === \sh goes as well to bed... | ||
| \sh | cu tomorrow | 10:48 |
| Seveas | yeah! | 10:54 |
| Seveas | no more linda/lintian messages :) | 10:54 |
| Seveas | thanks sivang & ajmitch_ | 10:55 |
| sivang | Seveas: hey, I didn't help at all :) | 10:56 |
| Seveas | the mental support was good :) | 10:56 |
| Seveas | wanna have the deb? | 10:57 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: omg.. you're creating debs now? :P | 10:57 |
| Seveas | Treenaks, yes :) | 10:57 |
| Seveas | Well, just one actually | 10:57 |
| Seveas | and ogra will be mad - he prefers not tu use cdbs :) | 10:57 |
| Treenaks | sivang: </serious> I tried to stop him, and you helped him?! | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: CDBS _is_ arse. use dpatch | 10:58 |
| tseng | wait what? | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | tseng: cdbs is arese | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | whoa.. | 10:58 |
| tseng | apples + oranges = pears | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | arse, even | 10:58 |
| Seveas | ehrm cdbs and dpatch are different things... | 10:58 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: yes | 10:58 |
| tseng | what does dpatch have to do with anything | 10:59 |
| Seveas | cdbs made my rules file 10 lines long | 10:59 |
| Treenaks | tseng: | 10:59 |
| Seveas | I take that as a big plus | 10:59 |
| sivang | Seveas: heheh, I didn't! I tried to fidn out the problem he ws having, and didn't get it at all :) | 10:59 |
| Treenaks | tseng: "dpatch is similar to dbs" according to its description | 10:59 |
| sivang | Treenaks: daniels thinks cdbs is plain evil | 10:59 |
| sivang | :) | 10:59 |
| tseng | dude come ON | 10:59 |
| Treenaks | tseng: isn't cdbs a "version" of DBS then? | 10:59 |
| tseng | cdbs = abstraction for debian/rules makefile | 10:59 |
| tseng | dpatch = patch management system | 10:59 |
| Treenaks | tseng: inclusing abstraction for debian/rules | 11:00 |
| Treenaks | including | 11:00 |
| Seveas | Treenaks, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1242 | 11:00 |
| Seveas | my debian/rules | 11:00 |
| Treenaks | Seveas: yes, which makes it less transparent for people who don't know a lot of cdbs | 11:00 |
| Seveas | well, they should learn it :) | 11:00 |
| Treenaks | (or about it) | 11:00 |
| tseng | Treenaks: no, dbs has nothing to do with it | 11:00 |
| Treenaks | tseng: Make an inheritance diagram then | 11:01 |
| tseng | ok | 11:01 |
| tseng | dpatch > dbs | 11:01 |
| tseng | and on the other side of the page | 11:01 |
| tseng | cdbs | 11:01 |
| tseng | with absolutely no connection | 11:01 |
| sivang | Seveas: cdbs is ok, if you know the underlying stuff to solve when things go rough beneath | 11:01 |
| Seveas | tseng, no connection other than that cdbs can use dpatch :) | 11:02 |
| Treenaks | tseng: then $they shouldn't have given it such a similar name | 11:02 |
| Seveas | sivang, true, but that's the same for debhelper or $whatever | 11:02 |
| tseng | Treenaks: uh. right. | 11:02 |
| Seveas | I'm new to packaging, but I could find this error searching through manpages and cdbs files | 11:03 |
| Treenaks | tseng: I mean.. cdebconf is like debconf right? so why isn't cdbs like dbs? | 11:03 |
| Seveas | so it's not that hard :) | 11:03 |
| Seveas | cdebconf = c implementation of debconf | 11:03 |
| Seveas | cdbs = common debian build system | 11:04 |
| ajmitch_ | Treenaks: cdbs is *like* dbs in that it helps you build debian packages | 11:04 |
| tseng | Treenaks: because its entirely possible for short acronyms to overlap in potentially confusing ways? | 11:04 |
| tseng | especially when they share one or more letters | 11:04 |
| Treenaks | tseng: make them longer :) | 11:04 |
| === tseng gives up | ||
| Seveas | anyway, sorry for raising the temperature in here | 11:04 |
| Seveas | i'm going to sleep | 11:04 |
| Seveas | g'night all | 11:04 |
| Treenaks | you're not using control.in are you? :P | 11:05 |
| sivang | Seveas: I was thinking of dh_* as the underlying beneath :) | 11:05 |
| sivang | Seveas: night! | 11:05 |
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