[12:20] <torkel> tseng: ping
[12:23] <tseng> yes?
[12:24] <tseng> torkel: hi
[12:24] <torkel> tseng: hi
[12:25] <torkel> can you please do a rebuild of tomboy. The one in the archive does not work with the current version of dbus in breezy without a rebuild
[12:27] <tseng> done
[12:27] <torkel> tseng: thanks a lot
[01:22] <sh> Hi... I just installed Breezy and now X doesn't work.. I get this weird "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop)" error thing. Sound familiar?
[01:24] <sh> It happens almost immediately after starting X (before it actually shows anything) and is apparantly killed by a SIGABRT.
[01:25] <sh> Hmm... I changed to the vesa driver, and now it works.
[01:25] <sh> Just a sec, I'll just go to X.
[01:38] <whiprush> dbus-o-the-day
[01:38] <whiprush> witty!
[01:39] <tseng> its a rerun
[01:39] <whiprush> oh
[01:39] <tseng> last time i called it "this weeks dbus api" or something
[01:40] <tseng> but glad you are all still ammused
[01:40] <whiprush> it made my day
[01:40] <whiprush> (not really)
[01:41] <shawarma> Where has glxinfo gone in Breezy?
[02:02] <thierry> I've build gnome-chemistry-utils without any problem and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what should I do now?
[03:13] <bmonty>  thierry: add it to the "just needs a rebuild" table in the wiki
[04:57] <bmonty> ajmitch_: ping
[05:03] <ajmitch_> bmonty: ?
[05:04] <bmonty> ajmitch_: working on making a script to create a list of mirrors for apt-spy
[05:04] <ajmitch_> ok..
[05:04] <bmonty> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive, this is the only place mirrors are listed, right?
[05:04] <ajmitch_> I don't know
[05:04] <bmonty> I've asked in a lot of the ubuntu channels, and noboy knows
[05:05] <ajmitch_> :)
[06:11] <desrt> crimsun; sup
[09:45] <cat> hey people
[10:40] <herve> hello
[11:11] <siretart> hi folks
[11:12] <siretart> does anyone happen to know who Johan Svedberg is?
[11:20] <ajmitch_> siretart: he maintains blam in debian, for one
[11:21] <siretart> hi ajmitch_
[11:22] <siretart> ajmitch_: ah, I see. he requested an reviewer account
[11:22] <ajmitch_> aha
[11:22] <siretart> hm. new upstream version of scorched3d
[11:23] <siretart> perhaps it fixes some ftbfs on amd64? lets try
[11:23] <Lathiat> ah nice
[11:23] <siretart> hi Lathiat
[11:23] <Lathiat> yo
[11:24] <siretart> this is a joke
[11:24] <siretart> 50mb sources?!
[11:25] <siretart> wtf?!
[11:25] <Mithrandir> 50MB isn't that bad.
[11:26] <siretart> puh, thats only for windows, the unix source is 'just' 35MB ;)
[11:28] <Lathiat> haha
[11:31] <siretart> Mithrandir: perhaps you can give advice: upstream of scorched3d recommends compiling on amd64 in 32bit mode for ensuring compatibility of the network code
[11:31] <Lathiat> thatd be really hard to do wouldnt it?
[11:31] <siretart> Mithrandir: do you think that we and/or debian should do that?
[11:31] <Lathiat> then you need 32bit installs of sdl, wxwindows,
[11:32] <siretart> indeed
[11:32] <Lathiat> i dont think thats reasonable
[11:32] <Mithrandir> siretart: no.
[11:32] <Mithrandir> siretart: the network code should be fixed to use fixed sizes rather.
[11:33] <siretart> Mithrandir: upstream says they have not access to a 64bit machine for developing/testing
[11:33] <Amaranth> this is one of those things a distro is supposed to patch and send upstream ;)
[11:34] <siretart> Amaranth: well, there exists a patch in debian bts, upstream says, that the patch breaks network compatibility
[11:35] <Mithrandir> siretart: if they don't need physical access, I can provide them with access to one.
[11:35] <ajmitch_> Mithrandir: it's a GL game, so physical access is proably best
[11:35] <ajmitch_> I'd happily do it if I had the ox, I quite like the game :)
[11:35] <ajmitch_> s/ox/box/
[11:36] <siretart> the game is great, indeed..
[11:36] <Mithrandir> I have the hardware, but not the time. :-)
[11:36] <siretart> I'm just trying to build new upstream version
[11:36] <Amaranth> worms armageddon is better
[11:37] <siretart> Amaranth: but it doesn't have the nostalgic feeling of scorched earth ;)
[11:37] <Mithrandir> Amaranth: that's not free, though?
[11:37] <Amaranth> no
[11:37] <siretart> it needs openal headers? wtf?
[11:37] <Amaranth> it's windows only
[11:38] <ajmitch_> siretart: why the surprise?
[11:39] <siretart> never heard of that. configure bails out because cannot find openal-config
[11:39] <ajmitch_> siretart: strange, vesastrike worked ok with libopenal-dev
[11:40] <siretart> hm. apt-file is still broken :(
[11:41] <siretart> hm
[11:41] <siretart> :(
[11:41] <ajmitch_> hmm, keyboard on this laptop needs cleaned or something, some keys don't work right :)
[11:41] <Lathiat> apt-file is broken because Contents isnt updated.
[11:41] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: heh i vacuum my keyboard regularly
[11:42] <ajmitch_> but dlocate only looks in installed packages, iirc
[11:42] <Lathiat> largely cat/dog hair
[11:42] <Lathiat> but other cruft gets in their
[11:42] <ajmitch_> heh
[11:42] <Lathiat> keeps it nice and clean
[11:42] <siretart> ajmitch_: does it also work with packages not installed yet?
[11:43] <ajmitch_> don't think so
[11:58] <Lathiat> siretart: feel free to go through http://bur.st/~lathiat/rebuilds at will. :)
[11:59] <siretart> Lathiat: :) - will soon, I'm still at openal
[11:59] <siretart> hm
[11:59] <siretart> debian has uploaded a newer openal
[11:59] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: great, want to see my massive unmet deps rebuild list? ;)
[11:59] <siretart> but misses to install openal-config
[11:59] <ajmitch_> bah, 'b' isn't working properly
[11:59] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: the to be done list?
[12:00] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: yeah, I threw the 'apt-cache unmet' list at pbuilder
[12:00] <Lathiat> i have my own im working through ;p
[12:00] <ajmitch_> got logs of everything
[12:00] <Lathiat> ah
[12:00] <Lathiat> what did that achieve?
[12:00] <Lathiat> the list of things that just need a rebuild?
[12:01] <ajmitch_> yeah, once I process the list properly
[12:01] <Lathiat> ah ok
[12:01] <ajmitch_> I'll sort out the just-need-rebuild, script the changelog adding & upload the lot
[12:01] <Lathiat> well im just working through apt-cache atm
[12:01] <Lathiat> unfortuately simple rebuilds suck a bti because i cant upload
[12:02] <Lathiat> and sending a debdiff with a changelog entry si almost pointless :)
[12:02] <Amaranth> a package shows up in unmet if it's suggests don't exist?
[12:02] <Lathiat> Amaranth: yeh, but it does tell you its a suggest
[12:02] <ajmitch_> Amaranth: yes, which is why the list needs processing
[12:04] <siretart> wah great
[12:04] <siretart> openal is unbuildable in debian atm, because arts has unmet deps :/
[12:04] <Lathiat> heh
[12:04] <ajmitch_> ah yes
[12:04] <ajmitch_> that evil
[12:05] <siretart> lets try to build in breezy
[12:05] <Lathiat> bah i hate things that dont compile
[12:06] <ajmitch_> 752 upgraded, 220 newly installed, 36 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
[12:06] <ajmitch_> yay, I haven't upgraded this breezy laptop for awhile :)
[12:08] <Lathiat> heh
[12:08] <Lathiat> i found alot more worked when i reinstalled
[12:08] <Lathiat> a few weeks back
[12:08] <ajmitch_> probably not since UDU, in fact
[12:08] <Lathiat> _host_sockaddr.sin_port = g_htons(cport);
[12:08] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: well my main breezy box was dist-upgraded from sid
[12:08] <Lathiat> wtf is wrong with that :\
[12:09] <Lathiat> TCPTransmitter.cc:179: error: expected `(' before 'const
[12:09] <Lathiat> how the hell
[12:09] <ajmitch_> g_htons isn't something weird & crackful?
[12:09] <Lathiat> i was just looking
[12:09] <Lathiat> GUINT16_TO_BE
[12:09] <siretart> ajmitch_: would you consider updating openal for breezy?
[12:10] <ajmitch_> siretart: I'd consider it, if it helps things compile & doesn't break others :)
[12:10] <siretart> I hope the newer openal doesn break too much. there are some reverse depends..
[12:12] <siretart> waaah
[12:12] <ajmitch_> siretart: breakage?
[12:12] <Lathiat> ah its in /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
[12:12] <Lathiat> crack
[12:12] <siretart> debian maintainer should be also be hit by something hard
[12:13] <siretart> he just forgets on accident installing openal-config :/
[12:14] <ajmitch_> hehe
[12:14] <Lathiat> #define GUINT16_SWAP_LE_BE_CONSTANT(val)    ((guint16) ( \
[12:14] <Lathiat>     (guint16) ((guint16) (val) >> 8) |  \
[12:14] <Lathiat>     (guint16) ((guint16) (val) << 8)))
[12:14] <Lathiat> is that it ends up being
[12:14] <Lathiat> i see nothing fishy
[12:15] <Lathiat> i get the feelign gcc4 might be mixing up my line numbers
[12:15] <Lathiat> after preprocessing
[12:15] <siretart> what do you know, the fix is a two liner :/
[12:16] <ajmitch_> siretart: massive patch
[12:16] <siretart> does anyone happen to know Dan Helfman? Does he irc?
[12:17] <siretart> (openal maintainer)
[12:18] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: great :)
[12:19] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: :)
[12:22] <Lathiat> what does 'unrepresentable changes to source' actually mean
[12:23] <Mithrandir> "you have binaries which aren't in the orig.tar.gz"
[12:23] <Lathiat> uh
[12:23] <Lathiat> scary
[12:23] <ajmitch_> the clean target didn't really clean it
[12:23] <Lathiat> how did that happen?
[12:23] <Lathiat> except i didnt build it
[12:23] <Lathiat> i just edited a source file since my last debuild -S
[12:24] <Mithrandir> it will tell you what files it's complaining about
[12:24] <ajmitch_> it's a real pain on packages with a broken 'make distclean'
[12:24] <Lathiat> pkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file po/zh_TW.gmo
[12:24] <Lathiat> dpkg-source: building gabber in gabber_0.8.8-5build2.dsc
[12:24] <Lathiat> dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source
[12:24] <Lathiat> debuild: fatal error at line 765:
[12:24] <Lathiat> dpkg-buildpackage failed!
[12:24] <Lathiat> it does?
[12:24] <Lathiat> oh
[12:24] <Lathiat> i see further up
[12:25] <Lathiat> oh heh
[12:25] <Lathiat> i had a copy of vim open
[12:25] <Lathiat> and it whinged about the swap file
[12:25] <ajmitch_> heh
[12:26] <siretart> ok out for lunch
[12:26] <siretart> cu later!
[12:28] <Lathiat> bye
[12:41] <shawarma> Hi! Where do I report Breezy-bugs? Malone?
[12:42] <ajmitch_> for universe, in malone
[12:42] <ajmitch_> packages in main still use bugzilla for now
[12:42] <shawarma> Ok.
[12:43] <shawarma> Thanks
[12:56] <shawarma> Hmm... What do I do if it's a package that's only available in Breezy? I can't choose it in the bugzilla interface.
[01:30] <shawarma> Is anyone here using breezy and using the i810 driver for X?
[02:03] <sistpoty> hi folks
[02:04] <slomo> hi sistpoty
[02:22] <highvoltage> how do i get md 5 sums for all the files in a directory recursively? I thought of trying ls -1R | md5sum, but obviously that only gives me the md5sum of the output.
[02:27] <Lathiat> find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \;
[02:27] <highvoltage> Lathiat: thanks
[02:27] <Lathiat> nps
[02:27] <Mithrandir> use -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum instead, it won't spawn md5sum for each and every file.
[02:27] <Mithrandir> (a new md5sum)
[02:27] <highvoltage> Mithrandir: ok. thanks to you too.
[02:27] <Lathiat> tseng: in the search & index prefs, the options go off the edge at higher DPIs
[02:27] <Lathiat> (i think its broken and not inside the tba or something)
[02:32] <tseng> Lathiat: you are using cvs?
[02:32] <Lathiat> tseng: package
[02:32] <tseng> uh
[02:33] <tseng> im at 96dpi
[02:33] <tseng> i dont know what you consider "high"
[02:33] <Lathiat> put it to 120
[02:33] <Lathiat> basically the window doesnt size to fit the widgets
[02:33] <Lathiat> (and its not resizable to make it worse)
[02:33] <tseng> works for me
[02:33] <Lathiat> at 120dpi?
[02:33] <tseng> oh
[02:33] <tseng> there is a tiny bit of overhang
[02:33] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:33] <tseng> the s in folders
[02:33] <tseng> meh?
[02:33] <Lathiat> at 120 you almost cant hit the text box
[02:33] <Lathiat> nah
[02:33] <Lathiat> the uh F12 textbox
[02:33] <Lathiat> i can only see half of it
[02:33] <tseng> i can
[02:33] <tseng> see the whole line
[02:33] <tseng> what kind of monitor are you running 120dpi anyway
[02:33] <Lathiat> 1680x1050 @ 15.4"
[02:34] <Lathiat> (dell widescreen laptop)
[02:34] <tseng> < 1680x1050 @ 20"
[02:34] <Lathiat> heh
[02:34] <tseng> i guess that explains why I can see it all
[02:34] <tseng> or something
[02:34] <Lathiat> so make it 150 dpi then
[02:34] <Lathiat> :)
[02:34] <tseng> this seems stupid big
[02:34] <tseng> are you blind :P
[02:34] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathiat/prefs.png
[02:34] <Lathiat> tseng: yeh dude i have 5 less inches to put that resolution in
[02:34] <tseng> yes 150 managed to pretty well screw it
[02:35] <Lathiat> and yeh 96dpi was start to annoy me
[02:35] <Lathiat> dont wanna screw my eyes :)
[02:35] <Lathiat> 120 is nice
[02:35] <tseng> hm i run 1440x1050 @ 14.1"
[02:35] <tseng> with 75 dpi
[02:35] <Lathiat> heh
[02:35] <Lathiat> thats basically by resolution
[02:35] <tseng> oh the laptop lcs
[02:35] <tseng> lcd
[02:35] <Lathiat> but 1" less
[02:36] <tseng> yeah
[02:36] <tseng> do you have a gnome bugs account?
[02:36] <Lathiat> damn ;p
[02:36] <Lathiat> yes
[02:36] <Lathiat> want me to file one?
[02:36] <tseng> yeah
[02:36] <tseng> im not sure if its even valid
[02:37] <Lathiat> why isnt it valid?
[02:37] <Lathiat> every other application works fine at this dpi :) the window should resize itself
[02:37] <tseng> hm is that gtk or beagle?
[02:37] <tseng> i really have no idea
[02:37] <Lathiat> well i assume its just the way the window is put together
[02:37] <Lathiat> tho gnome apps in general handle dpi a bazillion times better than windows
[02:37] <Lathiat> on windows setting a higher dpi is pain
[02:37] <Lathiat> breaks everything
[02:43] <highvoltage> so, the templates file contains those questions that debconf asks when i install new packages? what's the best way to learn about templates? should i look at other packages for examples?
[02:44] <\sh> g'afternoon gentlemen
[02:44] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[02:44] <highvoltage> afternoon, \sh
[02:45] <sistpoty> highvoltage: install debconf-doc, there are pretty good examples in there
[02:45] <highvoltage> sistpoty: ok, thanks.
[02:45] <\sh> hmm...i just wanted to write my installation report for this laptop but somethings wrong with my X
[02:45] <\sh> or kde or gnome...don't know..have to investigate
[02:46] <Lathiat> neither
[02:47] <Lathiat> fingers crossed for 12" or amd64 ;p
[02:47] <ajmitch_> hah
[02:47] <Lathiat> probably wont be :(
[02:47] <Lathiat> i want \sh's portege r200
[02:47] <ajmitch_> UK->NZ can take awhile, anyway :)
[02:49] <sistpoty> hm... about motuglutransition: what if a package doesn't directly use gl/glu, but uses gl[u]  from sdl... should it build-depend on sdl only?
[02:50] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: I think so
[02:50] <ajmitch_> let me check sdl deps
[02:50] <ajmitch_> libsdl1.2-dev depends on libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev
[02:51] <sivang> howdy folks
[02:51] <sistpoty> thanks ajmitch_
[02:51] <\sh> grmpf
[02:51] <sistpoty> hi sivang
[02:51] <\sh> ok..compiling the sk98lin driver as kernel module only with linux-kernel-headers doesn
[02:51] <\sh> 't wokr
[02:52] <ajmitch_> \sh: is the driver updated in the latest breezy kernel?
[02:52] <\sh> no
[02:52] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: are you sure you want \sh's laptop? ;)
[02:52] <Lathiat> yes
[02:53] <Lathiat> because i know someone who has it workign perfectly :)
[02:53] <\sh> skfp is the old driver...doesn't work...we should get the correct driver into the kernel...doesn't break anything
[02:53] <ajmitch_> hehe
[02:53] <Lathiat> \sh: ask davyd on gimpnet about it...
[02:53] <Lathiat> \sh: he has it all working on .. maybe hoary
[02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: it's working :(
[02:53] <Lathiat> might be breezy
[02:53] <\sh> aeh
[02:53] <\sh> :)
[02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: the problem is only the installation
[02:53] <Lathiat> ah right
[02:53] <ajmitch_> you need to do a net install?
[02:53] <Lathiat> he borrowed my pcmcia card
[02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: the install kernel on colony cd 2 doesn't have the driver...so u have to adjust the install media
[02:53] <Lathiat> right
[02:54] <\sh> ajmitch_: jepp
[02:54] <\sh> Lathiat: i did it with some tricks
[02:54] <Lathiat> should get them merged in :)
[02:54] <ajmitch_> only pcmcia network card I have here is a dodgy 10Mbps 3com :)
[02:54] <\sh> yepp
[02:54] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: yeh well mine was a
[02:54] <Lathiat> real... something
[02:54] <Lathiat> those red ones
[02:54] <Lathiat> no
[02:54] <Lathiat> xircom
[02:54] <Lathiat> thats it
[02:54] <Lathiat> 10M xircom pcmcia
[02:54] <ajmitch_> heh
[02:54] <\sh> but the rest..bluetooth wifi is working out of the box
[02:54] <Lathiat> \sh: apparently bluetooth needs an acpi patch
[02:54] <ajmitch_> \sh: great :)
[02:54] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: ve got like 3 of those but missing the dongle
[02:55] <Lathiat> couple dual modem/network, couple network, 1 modem
[02:55] <Lathiat> i think
[02:55] <Lathiat> only got 1 network dongle
[02:55] <Lathiat> it was quite funny actually my aunty baught home this computer stuff from her work for me
[02:55] <Lathiat> mostly junk but she accidentally bought a box of papers
[02:55] <\sh> actually i can't really test bluetooth cause i don't have another bluetooth device...and my mobile is only looking for audio devices
[02:55] <Lathiat> so she went to take that back and i chceked in the box first and right in the bottom was a xircom network dongle
[02:55] <Lathiat> so i was happy :)
[02:55] <ajmitch_> \sh: you could borrow my phone that I got a couple of weeks ago :)
[02:56] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe
[02:56] <\sh> ajmitch_: but I should be able to detect the bluetooth devices in my area somehow
[02:56] <ajmitch_> bluetooth works nicely with my desktop box (usb dongle)
[02:56] <ajmitch_> so I hope the laptop I get has bluetooth to test
[02:57] <\sh> i wrote 3 pages how to get this nice little bitch flying...and it's really eyecandy
[02:58] <\sh> ajmitch_: it cost me half a day
[02:58] <\sh> to come to terms how to break the install media of colony cd2
[02:59] <\sh> mount the iso as loop, rsync it to another dir, compile a new kernel on another box, replace the modules of the initrd, replace the kernel on the install media etc....
[03:00] <ajmitch_> how evil
[03:00] <\sh> kick windows from the harddrive, cause resizing wasn't working
[03:00] <ajmitch_> no?
[03:00] <\sh> no
[03:00] <ajmitch_> resize should always work
[03:00] <ajmitch_> very serious if it doesn't
[03:00] <\sh> the default install is 60gb windows xp ntfs
[03:00] <ajmitch_> as most new users will be dual-booting
[03:00] <\sh> i just started up..and I was w8ing for one hour
[03:00] <ajmitch_> & most people will have winXP, ntfs install
[03:00] <\sh> nothing was showing up in the syslog, messges etc.
[03:01] <\sh> tomorrow i check on ebay for a cheep external usb dvdrom
[03:01] <ajmitch_> bugzilla'ed it?
[03:01] <\sh> ajmitch_: no I want to reproduce it
[03:01] <\sh> cause i think I made a mistake with the install
[03:01] <sivang> so guys, where is still help needed around in MOTU land?
[03:01] <ajmitch_> with the amount of hardware in this flat, I should have no issues getting stuff installed ;)
[03:01] <ajmitch_> sivang: everywhere ;)
[03:01] <ajmitch_> sivang: look at MOTUGLUTransition, UniverseUnmetDeps
[03:02] <sivang> ajmitch_: ah the transition still continues? :)
[03:02] <siretart> re
[03:02] <ajmitch_> sivang: of course
[03:02] <sivang> ajmitch_: and does ti expemt FF ?
[03:02] <ajmitch_> and it will be ongoing ;)
[03:03] <ajmitch_> sivang: in a sense
[03:03] <ajmitch_> since it's not really a new feature
[03:03] <siretart> ajmitch_: I 'fixed' openal and already submitted a patch to debian: #323054
[03:03] <ajmitch_> siretart: excellent!
[03:03] <\sh> the strange thing is...toshiba delivers only a dvd recovery media..so if u want to install windows...everything is gone from your previous install
[03:03] <ajmitch_> \sh: I think my flatmate has a very similar laptop
[03:04] <ajmitch_> if not the same model
[03:04] <siretart> ajmitch_: I'd like to upload and fixed version of openal with this patch to ubuntu, but I'll first test the reverse dependencies
[03:04] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[03:04] <ajmitch_> siretart: ok, I'll test vegastrike :)
[03:04] <\sh> there r different portege r200 models around as I saw...and this one is not even mentioned on toshibas page
[03:04] <ajmitch_> since that's on my list of packages to upload
[03:04] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[03:05] <siretart> ah, that would be great
[03:05] <siretart> then I
[03:05] <\sh> guys I just switch to X una momenta :)
[03:05] <siretart> 'd test other one
[03:05] <ajmitch_> vegastrike has build-dep changes from Lathiat, gcc4 fix from me, and debian patches to merge
[03:05] <ajmitch_> plus it's fun to test :)
[03:06] <ajmitch_> \sh: no-go?
[03:06] <\sh> back
[03:07] <\sh> working now
[03:07] <ajmitch_> ah great
[03:07] <\sh> I think i have some troubles with kde and gnome when no network device is there
[03:07] <\sh> no real network device ...
[03:07] <ajmitch_> \sh: interface 'lo' has to be up
[03:07] <ajmitch_> but nothing else needs to be
[03:07] <sivang> ajmitch_: that's the two main tasks that need be completed for breezy?
[03:07] <ajmitch_> as long as 127.0.0.1/localhost resolve
[03:07] <\sh> it is....but when I disable the wifi (when I was in the train just now)
[03:07] <ajmitch_> sivang: I'm sure there's *lots* of other tasks, like packages that FTBFS
[03:07] <siretart> sivang: they are always important goals! :)
[03:07] <\sh> completly, even wireless-tools were segfaulting
[03:07] <ajmitch_> sivang: and don't forget reviewing! ;)
[03:07] <\sh> strange thing
[03:07] <\sh> s
[03:07] <siretart> \sh: oh. that sounds like major breakage..
[03:07] <ajmitch_> ok, can people please write up everything they know needs done on MOTUTodo, please?
[03:08] <\sh> siretart: I have to reproduce it...again
[03:08] <sivang> ajmitch_: well, I can't review yet :) Have to get a couple of my own pkgs in before that I assmue ...
[03:08] <\sh> but first I will write my installation report
[03:08] <ajmitch_> and we can also discuss what needs done in the next few weeks at the next MOTU meeting (which is on 24/8 )
[03:09] <sivang> ajmitch_: that would be great, so each time I get some time on hands I won't have to ask around :)
[03:09] <ajmitch_> sivang: ok, but you can still add comments to other's packages :)
[03:09] <ajmitch_> sivang: yeah, I don't know everything that needs done, so we need to keep track of it
[03:12] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: what's the difference?
[03:12] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: usually less teamwork in debian, more flames :)
[03:13] <ajmitch_> although that depends on the area that you work in
[03:16] <highvoltage> sounds like some debian guys just need to ligthen up a bit.
[03:16] <ajmitch_> oh sure
[03:17] <ajmitch_> debian can still be a lot of fun though
[03:17] <ajmitch_> any suggestions from the channel on what needs to go on the MOTUTodo list?
[03:18] <highvoltage> *cough*
[03:19] <sivang> what's MOTUToMerge all about?
[03:19] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: i would contribute, if i understood myself what needs to be done.
[03:19] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: any ideas about what we might be missing from universe that needs fixed?
[03:19] <ajmitch_> things you may have come acrss
[03:20] <siretart> ajmitch_: I'm thinking of adding the ghc6 stuff to MOTUTodo
[03:20] <highvoltage> not recently. i'll have to rack my brain a bit.
[03:21] <siretart> ajmitch_: but it consists mainly of waiting on upstream releasing a new version or someone willing to test the preview release
[03:21] <Lathiat> hrm, if you remove the login sound
[03:21] <Lathiat> it still plays
[03:21] <ajmitch_> siretart: yeah, they said 6.4.1 'real soon now' on the list
[03:21] <ajmitch_> so we'll have to get that bootstrapped on the buildd
[03:22] <siretart> whatever 'RSN' means to them..
[03:22] <ajmitch_> :)
[03:22] <ajmitch_> for some upstreams, 'RSN' means 6 months ;)
[03:23] <siretart> ajmitch_: for some distributions, it means nearly 12 months ;)
[03:23] <siretart> just joking..
[03:23] <ajmitch_> siretart: except debian :)
[03:23] <\sh> hmm
[03:23] <ajmitch_> sarge was slated for release in december 2003, iirc ;)
[03:24] <siretart> IIRC, that was the date predicted by aj back then..
[03:24] <siretart> after that GR, it was clear that sarge had to be delayed..
[03:24] <ajmitch_> yup
[03:24] <tseng> siretart: is there a good reason to have archived uploads show up on the main page?
[03:25] <ajmitch_> morning tseng
[03:25] <tseng> hi
[03:25] <siretart> tseng: you want them on a different page?
[03:25] <ajmitch_> "This proposal has made me put some faith back into Debian. I hope the release manager can enforce this plan and we'll see Sarge in 2003, not 2005."
[03:25] <tseng> the main page is huge now
[03:25] <ajmitch_> hah
[03:25] <tseng> just an idea
[03:25] <siretart> well. hm
[03:26] <siretart> I'm quite quick with archiving, ppl would be confused why their uploads have dissappeared..
[03:26] <tseng> i see
[03:27] <sistpoty> yep, archiving was also planned for packages needing work... revu2 will differentiate here ;)
[03:27] <tseng> ok
[03:27] <sistpoty> we just should get started coding on it ;)
[03:28] <tseng> what are the big changes?
[03:29] <sistpoty> package lifecycle, different pages if you are a reviewer or contributor...
[03:29] <siretart> sistpoty: right :)
[03:29] <sistpoty> many things are listed on REVUDevelopment (wiki)
[03:32] <ajmitch_> ah, if only all those issues raised on the forums were filed as bugs...
[03:35] <siretart> sistpoty: did you actually try to build scorched3d?
[03:35] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm currently on it. it FTBFS on amd64 in current form for me :(
[03:35] <ajmitch_> siretart: FTBFS in what way?
[03:35] <ajmitch_> if it's openal related...
[03:35] <siretart> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=288578\
[03:35] <sistpoty> siretart: yep
[03:35] <siretart> without '\'
[03:36] <ajmitch_> oh evil int/pointer stuff
[03:36] <sistpoty> siretart: didn't fail on i386
[03:36] <siretart> very evil
[03:36] <ajmitch_> sistpoty: it doesn't fail because the datatypes are the same on i386
[03:36] <ajmitch_> but not on amd64
[03:36] <highvoltage> why do the debian scripts use #!/bin/sh -e? What does the "-e" switch do? I couldn't find it in the sh/bash man page.
[03:36] <sistpoty> highvoltage: exit on error
[03:36] <siretart> highvoltage: the script will abort if any command fails
[03:37] <siretart> highvoltage: handy for debugging and for getting users to report usable bugs
[03:37] <siretart> reports
[03:38] <sistpoty> hm... this is strange, i didn't see any warnings in the buildlog of scorched3d
[03:38] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: it's about 2400 lines into the manpage, which is why you didn't see it ;)
[03:39] <pef> hi
[03:39] <sistpoty> hi pef
[03:40] <highvoltage> ah ok, thanks :)
[03:41] <siretart> hm. first patch for scorched3d.. hmm
[03:41] <ajmitch_> hello pef
[03:42] <siretart> but this one seems to have no problems with amd64/gcc-4.0 :)
[03:42] <siretart> so updated openal would be a benefit
[03:45] <ajmitch_> what is the current version of openal in breezy, and what is the new version?
[03:47] <siretart> ajmitch_: see http://packages.qa.debian.org/openal
[03:48] <ajmitch_> yeah, quite a version change between the 2
[03:48] <siretart> jupp
[03:48] <ajmitch_> are they API/ABI compatible?
[03:48] <siretart> but it seems required for scorched3d
[03:48] <siretart> not sure..
[03:50] <ajmitch_> different SONAME, so anything depending will need rebuilt
[03:52] <ajmitch_> why doesn't scorched3d list it as a build dep?
[03:52] <siretart> ok. at least it has a .shlibs file (there was a bug about this)
[03:52] <siretart> ajmitch_: scorched3d version 39 (the new upstream version) needs that
[03:53] <ajmitch_> right
[03:53] <siretart> ok, -39 build succeeded, segfaults instantly :(
[03:53] <siretart> in 32bit chroot
[03:53] <ajmitch_> which isn't in sid
[03:53] <siretart> jepp
[03:53] <siretart> I upgraded locally here for testing
[03:53] <sistpoty> hm... dou you have a buildlog of the current version?
[03:54] <\sh> ok...writing my installation report...bbl
[03:55] <siretart> sistpoty: sure: http://siretart.tauware.de/scorched3d_39-1_i386.build
[03:57] <sistpoty> siretart: erm... i mean amd64 ;)
[03:57] <sistpoty> siretart: and the current version, not the new one
[03:57] <siretart> sistpoty: no, I want to concentrate ind i386 first. here, it segfaults instantly :/
[03:57] <sistpoty> ok
[04:03] <sistpoty> cya later
[04:03] <highvoltage> is a debian-metapackage just a package that contains no files, but with dependencies, or is there another way that it should be done?
[04:04] <sivang> highvoltage: I thnk you are right for most o fthe cases
[04:04] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: generally, yes
[04:04] <sivang> ajmitch_:  :)
[04:05] <sivang> ajmitch_: however, I can imagine a meta pakcage that does has some sort of files, conffiles maybe ?
[04:05] <ajmitch_> sivang: I don't think it would be very meta then
[04:05] <sivang> ajmitch_: right sorry, I was more thinkg in an OOP way :)
[04:07] <ajmitch_> stalled on conffile question.. still got a bunch of packages to go :)
[04:07] <Lathiat> heh
[04:07] <Lathiat> i love that
[04:08] <ajmitch_> aha, thuban finally uploaded, mbreit can be happy now :)
[04:14] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: i just found something that needs to be packaged, although it's a bit soon atm.
[04:14] <highvoltage> ajmitch_: http://pc.ign.com/articles/641/641567p1.html
[04:16] <ajmitch_> highvoltage: is it on UniverseCandidates?
[04:16] <ajmitch_> if not, put it there :)
[04:17] <ajmitch_> and the game engine alone isn't useful
[04:17] <ajmitch_> perhaps for breezy+1 it could be packaged
[04:17] <highvoltage> true.
[04:18] <highvoltage> i think it's great though. it might open the door to future gpl games.
[04:19] <ajmitch_> possibly
[04:19] <ajmitch_> but that's a future thing to look at :)
[04:19] <ajmitch_> we only have ~8-9 weeks until release
[04:23] <ajmitch_> herve: the debdiff of zope 2.7 looks a lot lot bigger between debian & ubuntu than the changelog would indicate - have a number of ubuntu changelog entries been dropped?
[04:23] <ajmitch_> herve: I'm writing up summaries of the debdiffs that there are (currently 44 of them)
[04:24] <herve> the point is that the debian one makes changes directly into the source
[04:24] <herve> doko and I moved them to dpatches
[04:24] <herve> also the package from unstable doesn't use zope-common and debhelper-zope yet
[04:24] <ajmitch_> alright, that's good
[04:24] <herve> this makes drop debconf templates and alike
[04:25] <ajmitch_> yeah, and prerm scripts
[04:25] <ajmitch_> & postrm, etc :)
[04:25] <herve> yada yada -:)
[04:26] <ajmitch_> http://ajmitch.meta.net.nz/debuild/ubuntu/tmp/zope/REVIEW for what I've started on
[04:26] <ajmitch_> talked with madduck, kobold, etc and will post this to the list ASAP
[04:26] <ajmitch_> get some integration discussion going :)
[04:27] <herve> most of the ubuntu versions will be dropped in the near future
[04:27] <herve> I mean after breezy :-)
[04:27] <ajmitch_> of course
[04:27] <ajmitch_> that's what I'm trying to do ;)
[04:27] <herve> I don't know when fabio will upload to unstable
[04:27] <ajmitch_> no point duplicating the work in debian, just use the ubuntu changes if possible
[04:28] <HostingGeek> can xchat-gnome be rebuilt
[04:28] <HostingGeek> preferbly use xchat-common for the common files
[04:28] <HostingGeek> it only needs the stuff in the folder fe-gnome
[04:29] <Lathiat> your welcome to fix it
[04:29] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: yea it takes more time for one of you to review it...
[04:29] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: all it is a simple change in configure.in
[04:29] <Lathiat> so patch it and give it to someone
[04:29] <HostingGeek> and some dependces changes
[04:30] <Lathiat> feel free to give it to me
[04:30] <ajmitch_> you'd have to give us more than those vague answers
[04:30] <ajmitch_> 'some dependces changes' really doesn't tell us much
[04:30] <HostingGeek> and can we make work with ubuntu-desktop
[04:30] <ajmitch_> no
[04:31] <HostingGeek> I am thinking of making xchat a dummy package
[04:31] <ajmitch_> it would need to be seeded to main for that
[04:31] <HostingGeek> change the current xchat into xchat-gtk
[04:32] <HostingGeek> anyway I need to stab seb128
[04:32] <HostingGeek> brb
[04:32] <Lathiat> bah i just remembered why i stopped using gnome-terminal apart from the speed
[04:33] <HostingGeek> --- seb128 :No such nick/channel
[04:33] <Lathiat> that stupid irssi/screen bug
[04:33] <Lathiat> HostingGeek: yes he didn't want to be stabbed
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: so you use x-g?
[04:33] <Lathiat> no
[04:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: which bug was that?
[04:33] <Lathiat> ajmitch_: the screen goes all black or all blue
[04:33] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: I don't want my changes to be ubuntu only... they should be added to debian
[04:33] <Lathiat> used to happen all the time
[04:33] <ajmitch_> Lathiat: ah
[04:33] <Lathiat> these days usually only starts happening after you change the theme/size/open a tab/font dpi
[04:34] <Lathiat> but i just had a similar issue with vim
[04:34] <Lathiat> its gotten worse :\
[04:34] <Lathiat> i was using mrxvt
[04:34] <HostingGeek> Lathiat: if not we will make Ian Murduk very anrgy!!!
[04:34] <Lathiat> which is great but you cant shade the transparent background
[04:34] <ajmitch_> HostingGeek: so talk to the debian maintainer
[04:34] <Lathiat> and it doesnt do utf8
[04:34] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: hehehe
[04:34] <herve> Lathiat, gnome-terminal lately got a real speed improvement
[04:34] <HostingGeek> Davide Puricelli (evo) <evo@debian.org>
[04:35] <HostingGeek> evo is not on this network
[04:35] <herve> and I use it everyday, I don't have to complain about the speed
[04:35] <ajmitch_> HostingGeek: so what? use email, like other people do
[04:35] <herve> though I don't watch DVDs using ascii art ;-)
[04:35] <Lathiat> herve: yeh its not too bad
[04:35] <Lathiat> sucks if your scrolling line by line
[04:35] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: I am no email user
[04:35] <Lathiat> on  afullscreen terminal
[04:35] <Lathiat> tho
[04:35] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: I will never use email
[04:35] <Lathiat> but its the irssi bug that annoys me really
[04:35] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: its got to many problems
[04:35] <Lathiat> HostingGeek: Go away
[04:35] <ajmitch_> HostingGeek: well then don't complain that your pet changes don't get adopted, if you're not willing to communicate
[04:37] <HostingGeek> ajmitch_: its not my changes... anyone would of thought of them they are the make whats insane... sane
[04:37] <ajmitch_> whatever
[04:41] <ajmitch_> herve: I wonder if we can justify getting zope 2.7.7 in :)
[04:41] <herve> with Zope always, because there are always ZODB fixes
[04:41] <herve> but a freeze is a freeze
[04:42] <herve> and never freeze again what has been unfreezen ;-)
[04:42] <ajmitch_> hehe
[04:42] <herve> now it's b***p***s concerns
[04:43] <ajmitch_> I'm more concerned with being able to use plone 2.1, etc
[04:43] <herve> plone 2.1 won't enter breezy anyway
[04:43] <ajmitch_> universe UVF is more flexible than main, but we'd still have to get approval from someone
[04:43] <ajmitch_> I know it won't, but people will want to run it on breezy
[04:44] <ajmitch_> so they'd need to run zope from source as well
[04:44] <herve> and plone 2.1 has strong requirements for Zope 2.7.7?
[04:44] <ajmitch_> no big pain for them
[04:45] <ajmitch_> yes, plone 2.1 requires 2.7.7 according to #321405
[04:45] <ajmitch_> I haven't checked it myself
[04:46] <herve> this is a debian bug number,
[04:46] <herve> ?
[04:46] <ajmitch_> yes :)
[04:46] <ajmitch_> ubuntu doesn't have quite that many bugs yet ;)
[04:47] <herve> hey! there's a stylesheet on the bugs page!
[04:47] <ajmitch_> "requires Zope 2.7.7 or 2.8.1 and Python 2.3.5 installed"
[04:47] <ajmitch_> yeah, it's a good improvement
[04:47] <ajmitch_> plone 2.1 is only at rc2 anyway
[04:48] <herve> I'm looking for the "why"
[04:48] <ajmitch_> so I guess it's not too urgent
[04:49] <herve> wow! 7.6 MB for a plone tarball
[04:50] <ajmitch_> it's getting heavy
[04:50] <ajmitch_> you're right, I'd say that with plone 2.1 being a way off, then we don't want to break freeze
[04:50] <ajmitch_> http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.7b1/CHANGES.txt doesn't have enough compelling reasons :)
[04:51] <herve> as I told you, I focus on ZODB bugfixes
[04:51] <ajmitch_> right
[04:52] <ajmitch_> I mainly care about zope upgrades for memory issues, and plone compatibility
[04:52] <herve> ok I admit, I mainly care to move over from zope ;-)
[04:52] <herve> that was the beta1 changes
[04:52] <ajmitch_> heh
[04:53] <herve> zope 2.7.7 final removes a possible zodb fscking
[04:53] <ajmitch_> ok
[04:53] <ajmitch_> that changes list was linked from the 2.7.7 folder
[04:54] <herve> maybe after having drunk too much at a zope sprint ;-)
[04:54] <ajmitch_> :)
[05:00] <herve> I couldn't find the reason
[05:00] <herve> there is a reference to a hidden feature of zpt
[05:00] <herve> but the change doesn't seem to have been accepted
[05:01] <herve> or it was but this feature only works since zope 2.7.7
[05:01] <herve> but still undocumented
[05:02] <ajmitch_> ok, we'll stick with 2.7.4 then?
[05:03] <herve> we'll stick with zope ;-)
[05:04] <ajmitch_> herve: what, you don't want to move everything to ruby on rails? ;)
[05:04] <herve> no, no
[05:05] <herve> I'm not keen on buzzwords :-)
[05:05] <ajmitch_> hehe
[05:08] <ajmitch_> 3am, I'd better go to bed if I can sleep :)
[05:08] <herve> sure thing :-)
[05:08] <herve> good night
[05:09] <ajmitch_> night
[05:11] <slomo> hmm... python-gtk2 is missing a depend to python-cairo...
[05:12] <herve> I saw that yes
[05:12] <Lathiat> yeh
[05:12] <herve> but I don't know if it's a real dependency
[05:12] <Lathiat> i emailed seb128 about it
[05:12] <Lathiat> it is
[05:12] <slomo> herve: at least it doesn't work without it ;)
[05:13] <herve> or because scripts use "from gtk import *" :-)
[05:13] <slomo> Lathiat: ok, fine :)
[05:13] <Lathiat> herve: nah, you need it
[05:13] <Lathiat> import gtk fails too
[05:13] <Lathiat> as gtk imports it
[05:13] <herve> ha ok, good reason then -:)
[05:19] <slomo> ...and libid3 or easytag is broken... ;) nice
[05:19] <tseng> good thing there is cowbell
[05:19] <Lathiat> bling
[05:20] <slomo> tseng: yes... but it currently is missing a function i need ;) filling the tags by parsing the filename
[05:21] <tseng> mmm file bugs
[05:21] <tseng> he fixed mine in no time
[05:24] <slomo> yeah later... first i try to fix id3lib or easytag ;)
[05:29] <slomo> ok, we need to sync easytag from debian ;) elmo doesn't work on weekends?
[05:34] <herve> rarely
[05:35] <slomo> hm... well i sent him a mail ;)
[05:36] <Lathiat> because hes been busy?
[05:57] <pef> how can I remove config.{guess,sub} from my .diff.gz ? deleting them from debian/rules clean target doesn't work
[06:19] <sivang> pef: When I have my patchesd ready (using simple-patchsys or dpath) I just get a freash source pkg,
[06:19] <sivang> pef: then drop the patches into debian/patches
[06:19] <sivang> pef: and debuild -S
[06:19] <sivang> pef: works every time
[06:20] <sivang> pef: so usually I have one source tree where I produce diffs/patches in, and one for creating the source pkg for "shipping" :)
[06:29] <herve> hmm... I use a single tree for that
[06:33] <pef> sivang: will try this, thanks for the tip
[06:34] <pef> sivang: have you the gpg error with debuild ? "gpg: problem with the agent - disabling agent use"
[06:35] <highvoltage> i have a directory full of .deb files, how can I get a list of all the package names without the _0.0.0-1ubuntu_arch.deb part?
[06:35] <Lathiat> |cut -d_ -f1 ? :)
[06:36] <herve> basename maybe
[06:36] <highvoltage> Lathiat: wow, I never new about the cut command. thanks!
[06:37] <sivang> pef: I never paid attention to the GPG waring/error messages while debuiling, I lost my signed key, so when I'll get a new one I will start tackeling this :)
[06:42] <sivang> pef: but I don't recall this error from the builds I've done
[06:42] <pef> sivang: It seems to ba a known bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322208
[06:42] <sivang> pef: maybe because I havn't entered my GPG Key I don't get this error
[06:42] <pef> sivang: debuild put config.{guess,sub} in diff.gz too :/
[06:43] <sivang> pef: that's weird, have you tried deblcean ?
[06:43] <sivang> pef: sorry, debclean ?
[06:52] <pef> sivang: already have theses files... probably a problem in upstram tarball _again_ (already a debian layout)
[06:52] <pef> but thanks for the info :)
[06:52] <pef> have to leave
[06:52] <pef> bye !
[07:00] <Seveas> Hello masters :)
[07:00] <Seveas> can anybody help me getting rid of a pbuilder error?
[07:02] <Seveas> Hi Mez
[07:03] <Mez> hyey
[07:03] <Seveas> Do you know your way around pbuilder?
[07:04] <Mez> pretty much
[07:04] <Mez> why
[07:04] <Seveas> I'm new to it and getting an error
[07:04] <Seveas> just did a pbuilder create
[07:04] <Seveas> and now a pbuilder build
[07:04] <Seveas> and this happens: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1232
[07:05] <Seveas> Any clue on what to do?
[07:07] <Mez> probably a new apt version gone wrong
[07:07] <Seveas> hmm
[07:07] <Seveas> what to do..?
[07:08] <Mez> no idea
[07:08] <Seveas> dang
[07:11] <sivang> Seveas: you need to force installation of un authenticated pakcages, so it seems
[07:11] <Seveas> how can I do that with pbuilder? -y --force-yes does it for apt outside pbuilder
[07:11] <sivang> Seveas: you need to try to pass the suggested comand line args, if it didn't ask you to confirm installation of the unauthenticated packagtes - like it did for me
[07:12] <Seveas> ok, so if I say pbuilder -y --force yes, it will pass these arguments on to apt?
[07:12] <sivang> let's try :)
[07:13] <sivang> usually, that's the way you give pbuilder args to pass to apt?
[07:13] <Seveas> it does not work
[07:13] <Seveas> and I'm new to pbuilder (I didn't use it until an hour ago) so whatever you tell me I take for granted :)
[07:14] <sivang> Seveas: oh, then let me check around a bit more, I know it alwasy asked me ti say "yes" on the untrusted packages. :)
[07:14] <Seveas> it does not even ask me
[07:14] <Seveas> it simply fails
[07:15] <Seveas> the manpages for pbuilder and pbuilderrc have not helped me yet
[07:17] <Seveas> OVERRIDE_APTLINES=no
[07:18] <Seveas> pbuilder dumpconfig says that
[07:18] <Seveas> maybe that can do something? (I hate undocumented features :))
[07:20] <Lathiat> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:21] <Seveas> but of course
[07:21] <Seveas> how stupid of me
[07:21] <Seveas> thank you
[07:21] <Lathiat> nps
[07:23] <HostingGeek> OMG!!!!
[07:23] <HostingGeek> we need google browser packages ASAP
[07:23] <HostingGeek> http://sourceforge.net/projects/gbrowser/
[07:23] <HostingGeek> lets be the first distro to get it
[07:23] <HostingGeek> you got 23min to package build and post in the reps
[07:24] <HostingGeek> I am submittiing it to slashdot now saying ubuntu is getting a package as we talk
[07:24] <thierry> and to who are you talking?
[07:24] <Lathiat> Feel free to throw yourself off a cliff at the first available oppurtunity.
[07:24] <thierry> ho ok sorry
[07:25] <Lathiat> (i was talking to HostingGeek, not you thierry)
[07:25] <sivang> Lathiat: lol
[07:25] <thierry> Lathiat : I've been building gnome-chemical-utils and it build nicely and install great and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what do I do now?
[07:25] <thierry> Lathiat : that's alright
[07:25] <Lathiat> thierry: What changes did you make? just a rebuild?
[07:25] <Lathiat> sivang: you think im joking? :)
[07:26] <HostingGeek> ITS GOOGLE!!!!
[07:26] <HostingGeek> we packages for them!
[07:26] <sivang> HostingGeek: not everybody like google, you know :)
[07:26] <thierry> Lathiat : yes and the /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends you've learn me yesterday
[07:26] <Lathiat> and your annoying, i retract my previous comment, and ask that you make the time to do it now.
[07:26] <Seveas> (note: there is a reason that HostingGeek is banned on #ubuntu)
[07:26] <Lathiat> thierry: Cool, so you could provide a debdiff to someone to review
[07:26] <Lathiat> Seveas: yeh i wish he was klined
[07:27] <thierry> Lathiat : a debdiff of what? I didn't change anything! If I do a changelof what should I write? rebuilded and works fine ?
[07:27] <Lathiat> thierry: what were the unmet deps?
[07:28] <thierry> don't know I didn't changed anything... I just did /usr/lib/pbuilder/pbuilder-satisfydepends and everything worked
[07:28] <Lathiat> i mean
[07:28] <Lathiat> whats on the unmet list
[07:28] <Lathiat> let me look
[07:29] <thierry> k... tell me when you'll find it because I really don't know what you're talking aboutr
[07:29] <Lathiat> ok in this case it was due to libopenbabel's C++ transition
[07:29] <Lathiat> so an appropriate changelog entry si
[07:29] <Lathiat>  * Rebuild to complete C++ transition.
[07:29] <Lathiat> and make sure the version is Xubuntu1
[07:29] <Lathiat> and not X+1
[07:30] <thierry> k
[07:31] <thierry> Lathiat : but how did you see that it was due to libopenbabel's C++ transition?
[07:32] <Lathiat> thierry: because i looked in apt-cache unmet, and the reason it wouldnt install was due to a missing libopenbabel package
[07:32] <Lathiat> so i did a apt-cache search libopenbabel
[07:32] <Lathiat> and saw there is now libopenbabel0c2
[07:32] <Lathiat> and the c2 stuff on packages means they were C++ and had to be changed/rebuilt for GCC4s new C++ ABI
[07:32] <Lathiat> but that package hadnt been rebuilt against it yet
[07:35] <slomo> HostingGeek: where do you read that gbrowser is something made by google?
[07:39] <HostingGeek> hehehe
[07:40] <HostingGeek> slomo: gbrowser.com is probberly owned by this project and they changed the whois info for fun lol
[07:44] <Lathiat> slomo: He's being his usual self, just ignore him
[07:49] <Seveas> Lathiat, yeah! after the wiki instructions it works
[07:49] <Seveas> thanks again :)
[07:49] <Lathiat> Seveas: :)
[07:50] <Seveas> MOTU here I come *g*
[07:56] <thierry> Lathiat : I have a problem , when I do "sudo dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -S" to get my new .dsc with gnome-chemistry-utils , I get an error
[07:57] <Lathiat> thierry: which is
[07:58] <thierry> Lathiat : I'll paste it in a private message
[08:20] <HostingGeek> you can use #flood
[08:23] <Lathiat> private message works fine
[08:43] <Seveas> I just completed my first real package ever, hug me :)
[08:45] <tseng> slomo: are there any more deps pending for gst-plguins-multiverse?
[08:45] <Yagisan> Seveas: What did you build ?
[08:46] <slomo> tseng: dirac
[08:46] <slomo> but that's it
[08:46] <Seveas> Yagisan, gnome-sudoku
[08:47] <tseng> slomo: hm rock on
[08:48] <slomo> tseng: please look at dirac and vote ;) there are just 2 votes missing...
[08:48] <tseng> i did
[08:48] <Yagisan> Seveas: What's that ? a replacement for gnome-sudo ?
[08:49] <slomo> tseng: thanks :)
[08:49] <Seveas> Yagisan, I packaged gnome-sudoku
[08:49] <Seveas> lol :)
[08:49] <Seveas> no, it's a japanese puzzle game
[08:50] <Yagisan> what's sudoku ?
[08:50] <Seveas> 9x9 number puzzle
[08:50] <Seveas> every line and row should contain all numbers 1--9 exactly once
[08:51] <Seveas> and every 3x3 subsquare (so 9 of them) should also fulfull that requirement
[08:51] <Seveas> really cool, i'm completely addicted to it :)
[08:51] <Yagisan> Ah, I understand now.
[08:52] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1234 <-- screenshot
[08:53] <Yagisan> I have a really dumb question, but I'll ask anyway. How would I fix this lintian error
[08:53] <Yagisan> E: deng: shlib-with-executable-bit usr/games/deng/lib/libjdoom.so.0.0.0 0755
[08:55] <tseng> chmod -x it in rules
[08:55] <tseng> binary-predeb maybe
[08:55] <Yagisan> I put chmod 644 debian/deng/usr/games/deng/lib/* into debian/rules but it didn't work
[08:56] <Yagisan> binary-predeb ?
[08:56] <tseng> the target
[08:58] <shawarma> Hi! When I use one of the 2.6.12 kernels, during boot it switches to a screen with a Ubuntu heading and a white box in the bottom half of the screen. I guess that box is supposed to contain boot mesages and such, but is it supposed to work now?
[08:59] <shawarma> On my system it doesn't change, but after a while (7-8 seconds, I guess), it goes away and boot continues normally.
[09:00] <shawarma> ...or is that just another thing that's weird about my install?
[09:10] <\sh> re
[09:32] <shawarma> Ok, what I'm seeing is apparantly the usplash thing.. Who is working on that?
[09:33] <sladen> shawarma: mjg59
[09:34] <shawarma> sladen: Thanks
[09:34] <\sh> sladen: I just red your report on your thinkpad r52
[09:34] <\sh> s/red/read/
[09:37] <sladen> \sh: any useful comments?
[09:38] <\sh> it's very complete :) did u try a breezy colony install?
[09:40] <Seveas> Lintian is puzzling me, can anyone explain this:
[09:40] <Seveas> E: gnome-sudoku: python-script-but-no-python-dep ./usr/bin/gnome-sudoku
[09:40] <Seveas> And I have this in debian/control
[09:40] <Seveas> Depends: ${python:Depends},  python2.4-gtk2 >= 2.3.93, python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging
[09:42] <\sh> what about python2.4 as dep?
[09:42] <Seveas> python:Depends=python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4)
[09:42] <Seveas> wouldn't that do it?
[09:43] <\sh> should work
[09:43] <Seveas> (it's wat dh_python gave)
[09:43] <\sh> jesus...this baby is getting hot...wow..
[09:44] <slomo> \sh: don't burn you legs ;)
[09:44] <Seveas> puzzle 2: debian/$package/DEBIAN/control contains no Depends: line at all :S
[09:45] <\sh> slomo: hehe
[09:46] <\sh> hmm...and it doesn't have any stereo output possibility this baby.
[09:47] <slomo> hm i think i'll make a new package this evening... fatsort ;)
[09:57] <Seveas> OK, linda shuts up now, but can someone help me with this weird error?
[09:58] <Seveas> No Depens: line in .dsc even though there is one in debian/control
[10:12] <Seveas> No MOTU awake I guess :(
[10:12] <Seveas> ah well, I'll try again later :)
[10:12] <sivang> ok guys, I'm at home now - anything quick I can help with?
[10:13] <Seveas> well, I need a bit help :)
[10:14] <sivang> Seveas: yeah, shoot
[10:14] <Seveas> OK, linda shuts up now, but can someone help me with this weird error?
[10:14] <Seveas> No Depends: line in .dsc even though there is one in debian/control
[10:15] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1239 debian/control and debian/$package/DEBIAN/control
[10:15] <Seveas> I don't see where it goes wrong
[10:17] <Seveas> I appreciate any help, this is my first package :)
[10:18] <sivang> ! there's already a sudoku game for gnome??
[10:18] <Seveas> yeah
[10:18] <Seveas> I'm so addicted to it :)
[10:19] <sivang> Seveas: where is the source package?
[10:19] <Seveas> gnome-sudoku.sf.net
[10:19] <Seveas> It's a simply python distutils package, I'm using cdbs for the debfile
[10:20] <sivang> Seveas: Do you mind if I give it a try?
[10:20] <Seveas> of course not, I can give you what I tried so far
[10:21] <Seveas> http://blackbird.kaarsemaker.net/~dennis/sudoku.tar.gz
[10:23] <sivang> Seveas: Ok, I will try with that since I don't know what cdbs foo you need to add in order to package python stuff - I'll copycat fro your rules file :)
[10:24] <sivang> Seveas: all I did for now was mostly gnome GTK packaging
[10:24] <Seveas> it's simply adding the manpage (which i wrote) and commenting out some stuff in setup.py
[10:24] <sivang> Seveas: I've unpacked your source pkg , let's se the debuild error
[10:24] <Seveas> pbuilder goes fine
[10:25] <Seveas> only lintian borks
[10:25] <sivang> Seveas: ah, ok, sec
[10:25] <Seveas> given that there is no Depends:, i can see why :)
[10:29] <Seveas> any luck yet?
[10:29] <sivang> Seveas: second, sorry
[10:32] <Seveas> I'm not in a hurry, just eager to know what I did wrong :)
[10:33] <sivang> 'build/bdist.linux-i686' does not exist -- can't clean it
[10:33] <sivang> ^^ ?
[10:34] <sivang> Seveas: you have any idea what is this? :)
[10:34] <Seveas> yeah, crapola from setup.py
[10:34] <Seveas> I still need to clean that thing out
[10:35] <sivang> Seveas: so how did you build it? :)
[10:35] <Seveas> But I found a better errordescription by running dpkg-gencontrol manually:
[10:35] <Seveas> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${python:Depends}
[10:35] <sivang> Seveas: ah you see, you can already teach me pacakging
[10:35] <Seveas> that build/bdist stuff is not fatal
[10:39] <sivang> Seveas: k
[10:39] <ajmitch_> morning all
[10:39] <sivang> mornign ajmitch_
[10:39] <sivang> Seveas: mayeb you need to wrtie python as Python ?
[10:39] <sivang> Seveas: it does not recognize the subst var
[10:39] <Seveas> ok, adding a -T to dpkg-gencotrol (which presumably dh_* does) worked
[10:39] <Seveas> but did not solve the original error
[10:39] <Seveas> still no Depends: line in DEBIAN/control or .dsc
[10:39] <ajmitch_> you are using dh_python, right?
[10:40] <sivang>  Seveas: I have a feeling ajmitch_ can be of more help to you :)
[10:40] <ajmitch_> cdbs... show us your debian/rules
[10:41] <ajmitch_> sivang: not much, I have to leave for work 'real soon now; ;)
[10:41] <Seveas> DAMNIT
[10:41] <Seveas> sorrym I just found the error
[10:41] <ajmitch_> Seveas: oh? :)
[10:41] <Seveas> very stupid mistake
[10:41] <ajmitch_> mistakes usually are
[10:41] <Seveas> Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 >= 2.3.93, python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging
[10:41] <Seveas> try to spot it
[10:41] <ajmitch_> the missing brackets for the version?
[10:41] <Seveas> yup
[10:41] <Seveas> been searching for that error for quite some time now
[10:41] <sivang> Seveas: what missing brackets?
[10:41] <Seveas> Depends: ${python:Depends}, python2.4-gtk2 (>=2.3.93), python2.4-glade2, python2.4-gnome2, python2.4-gnome2-extras, python2.4-imaging
[10:41] <Seveas> sivang, spot the difference
[10:42] <sivang> Seveas: ah :)
[10:42] <sivang> Seveas: got it now
[10:42] <sivang> Seveas: I guess I'm too tired after a day's work to be helping anyone ;-)
[10:42] <Seveas> hehe
[10:43] <Seveas> W: gnome-sudoku source: native-package-with-dash-version
[10:43] <Seveas> W: gnome-sudoku source: build-depends-without-arch-dep
[10:43] <Seveas> last 2 lintian messages to solve
[10:43] <ajmitch_> Seveas: make sure you have an orig.tar.gz, *not* just a tar.gz
[10:44] <ajmitch_> and you  have no Build-Depends line at all
[10:44] <Seveas> shouldn't dh_make do that?
[10:44] <Seveas> I have a build-depends line
[10:44] <ajmitch_> s/Build-Depends/Build-Depends-Indep/
[10:44] <Seveas> right...
[10:45] <ajmitch_> dh_make? you're using cdbs...
[10:45] <Seveas> dh_make os for the initial debianization...
[10:45] <Seveas> s/os/is/
[10:45] <ajmitch_> ugh
[10:45] <tseng> cp -a tomboy-0.3.2/debian .
[10:45] <tseng> edit
[10:45] <tseng> debianization :)
[10:45] <ajmitch_> ok, I've got to run to work, I'll be back later
[10:46] <Seveas> (maint-guide quote)
[10:47] <ajmitch_> Seveas: just change Build-Depends to Build-Depends-Indep
[10:47] <Seveas> how to solve the other one?
[10:47] <ajmitch_> use the upstream tarball as orig.tar.gz
[10:47] <Seveas> ah wait, got it
[10:47] <sivang> Seveas: I'm leaving as well. Bed time :-/
[10:48] <sivang> (work tommorow)
[10:48] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[10:54] <Seveas> yeah!
[10:54] <Seveas> no more linda/lintian messages :)
[10:55] <Seveas> thanks sivang & ajmitch_
[10:56] <sivang> Seveas: hey, I didn't help at all :)
[10:56] <Seveas> the mental support was good :)
[10:57] <Seveas> wanna have the deb?
[10:57] <Treenaks> Seveas: omg.. you're creating debs now? :P
[10:57] <Seveas> Treenaks, yes :)
[10:57] <Seveas> Well, just one actually
[10:57] <Seveas> and ogra will be mad - he prefers not tu use cdbs :)
[10:58] <Treenaks> sivang: </serious> I tried to stop him, and you helped him?!
[10:58] <Treenaks> Seveas: CDBS _is_ arse. use dpatch
[10:58] <tseng> wait what?
[10:58] <Treenaks> tseng: cdbs is arese
[10:58] <Treenaks> whoa..
[10:58] <tseng> apples + oranges = pears
[10:58] <Treenaks> arse, even
[10:58] <Seveas> ehrm cdbs and dpatch are different things...
[10:58] <Treenaks> Seveas: yes
[10:59] <tseng> what does dpatch have to do with anything
[10:59] <Seveas> cdbs made my rules file 10 lines long
[10:59] <Treenaks> tseng:
[10:59] <Seveas> I take that as a big plus
[10:59] <sivang> Seveas: heheh, I didn't! I tried to fidn out the problem he ws having, and didn't get it at all :)
[10:59] <Treenaks> tseng: "dpatch is similar to dbs" according to its description
[10:59] <sivang> Treenaks: daniels thinks cdbs is plain evil
[10:59] <sivang> :)
[10:59] <tseng> dude come ON
[10:59] <Treenaks> tseng: isn't cdbs a "version" of DBS then?
[10:59] <tseng> cdbs = abstraction for debian/rules makefile
[10:59] <tseng> dpatch = patch management system
[11:00] <Treenaks> tseng: inclusing abstraction for debian/rules
[11:00] <Treenaks> including
[11:00] <Seveas> Treenaks, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1242
[11:00] <Seveas> my debian/rules
[11:00] <Treenaks> Seveas: yes, which makes it less transparent for people who don't know a lot of cdbs
[11:00] <Seveas> well, they should learn it :)
[11:00] <Treenaks> (or about it)
[11:00] <tseng> Treenaks: no, dbs has nothing to do with it
[11:01] <Treenaks> tseng: Make an inheritance diagram then
[11:01] <tseng> ok
[11:01] <tseng> dpatch > dbs
[11:01] <tseng> and on the other side of the page
[11:01] <tseng> cdbs
[11:01] <tseng> with absolutely no connection
[11:01] <sivang> Seveas: cdbs is ok, if you know the underlying stuff to solve when things go rough beneath
[11:02] <Seveas> tseng, no connection other than that cdbs can use dpatch :)
[11:02] <Treenaks> tseng: then $they shouldn't have given it such a similar name
[11:02] <Seveas> sivang, true, but that's the same for debhelper or $whatever
[11:02] <tseng> Treenaks: uh. right.
[11:03] <Seveas> I'm new to packaging, but I could find this error searching through manpages and cdbs files
[11:03] <Treenaks> tseng: I mean.. cdebconf is like debconf right? so why isn't cdbs like dbs?
[11:03] <Seveas> so it's not that hard :)
[11:03] <Seveas> cdebconf = c implementation of debconf
[11:04] <Seveas> cdbs = common debian build system
[11:04] <ajmitch_> Treenaks: cdbs is *like* dbs in that it helps you build debian packages
[11:04] <tseng> Treenaks: because its entirely possible for short acronyms to overlap in potentially confusing ways?
[11:04] <tseng> especially when they share one or more letters
[11:04] <Treenaks> tseng: make them longer :)
[11:04] <Seveas> anyway, sorry for raising the temperature in here
[11:04] <Seveas> i'm going to sleep
[11:04] <Seveas> g'night all
[11:05] <Treenaks> you're not using control.in are you? :P
[11:05] <sivang> Seveas: I was thinking of dh_* as the underlying beneath :)
[11:05] <sivang> Seveas: night!