[12:20] tseng: ping [12:23] yes? [12:24] torkel: hi [12:24] tseng: hi [12:25] can you please do a rebuild of tomboy. The one in the archive does not work with the current version of dbus in breezy without a rebuild [12:27] done [12:27] tseng: thanks a lot === xhaker is away (Away, bnc logging) === sh [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] Hi... I just installed Breezy and now X doesn't work.. I get this weird "*** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (fasttop)" error thing. Sound familiar? [01:24] It happens almost immediately after starting X (before it actually shows anything) and is apparantly killed by a SIGABRT. [01:25] Hmm... I changed to the vesa driver, and now it works. [01:25] Just a sec, I'll just go to X. === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] dbus-o-the-day [01:38] witty! [01:39] its a rerun [01:39] oh [01:39] last time i called it "this weeks dbus api" or something [01:40] but glad you are all still ammused [01:40] it made my day [01:40] (not really) [01:41] Where has glxinfo gone in Breezy? === thierry [n=thierry@modemcable116.61-131-66.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487F6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] I've build gnome-chemistry-utils without any problem and it's in the unmet dependencies list... what should I do now? === slomo [n=slomo@p5487F6A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:13] thierry: add it to the "just needs a rebuild" table in the wiki [04:57] ajmitch_: ping [05:03] bmonty: ? [05:04] ajmitch_: working on making a script to create a list of mirrors for apt-spy [05:04] ok.. [05:04] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive, this is the only place mirrors are listed, right? [05:04] I don't know [05:04] I've asked in a lot of the ubuntu channels, and noboy knows [05:05] :) === desrt [N=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] crimsun; sup === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Natja [n=Natja@253-41.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cat [n=deb@unaffiliated/cat] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:45] hey people === poningru [n=poningru@pool-70-110-66-223.tampfl.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herve [n=hcauweli@ip-3.net-81-220-179.nice.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:40] hello === Natja [n=Natja@253-41.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:11] hi folks [11:12] does anyone happen to know who Johan Svedberg is? === Danten [n=danten@h128n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [11:20] siretart: he maintains blam in debian, for one [11:21] hi ajmitch_ [11:22] ajmitch_: ah, I see. he requested an reviewer account [11:22] aha [11:22] hm. new upstream version of scorched3d [11:23] perhaps it fixes some ftbfs on amd64? lets try [11:23] ah nice [11:23] hi Lathiat [11:23] yo [11:24] this is a joke [11:24] 50mb sources?! [11:25] wtf?! [11:25] 50MB isn't that bad. [11:26] puh, thats only for windows, the unix source is 'just' 35MB ;) [11:28] haha [11:31] Mithrandir: perhaps you can give advice: upstream of scorched3d recommends compiling on amd64 in 32bit mode for ensuring compatibility of the network code [11:31] thatd be really hard to do wouldnt it? [11:31] Mithrandir: do you think that we and/or debian should do that? [11:31] then you need 32bit installs of sdl, wxwindows, [11:32] indeed [11:32] i dont think thats reasonable === ajmitch_ has confirmed through rigourous testing that his modified patch for vegastrike works ;) [11:32] siretart: no. [11:32] siretart: the network code should be fixed to use fixed sizes rather. [11:33] Mithrandir: upstream says they have not access to a 64bit machine for developing/testing [11:33] this is one of those things a distro is supposed to patch and send upstream ;) === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:34] Amaranth: well, there exists a patch in debian bts, upstream says, that the patch breaks network compatibility [11:35] siretart: if they don't need physical access, I can provide them with access to one. [11:35] Mithrandir: it's a GL game, so physical access is proably best [11:35] I'd happily do it if I had the ox, I quite like the game :) [11:35] s/ox/box/ [11:36] the game is great, indeed.. [11:36] I have the hardware, but not the time. :-) [11:36] I'm just trying to build new upstream version [11:36] worms armageddon is better [11:37] Amaranth: but it doesn't have the nostalgic feeling of scorched earth ;) [11:37] Amaranth: that's not free, though? [11:37] no [11:37] it needs openal headers? wtf? [11:37] it's windows only [11:38] siretart: why the surprise? [11:39] never heard of that. configure bails out because cannot find openal-config [11:39] siretart: strange, vesastrike worked ok with libopenal-dev [11:40] hm. apt-file is still broken :( === ajmitch_ has no openal-config installed from packages here [11:41] hm [11:41] :( [11:41] hmm, keyboard on this laptop needs cleaned or something, some keys don't work right :) [11:41] apt-file is broken because Contents isnt updated. [11:41] ajmitch_: heh i vacuum my keyboard regularly === ajmitch_ uses dlocate [11:42] but dlocate only looks in installed packages, iirc [11:42] largely cat/dog hair [11:42] but other cruft gets in their [11:42] heh [11:42] keeps it nice and clean [11:42] ajmitch_: does it also work with packages not installed yet? [11:43] don't think so === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zAo^ [n=zao@zAo.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:58] siretart: feel free to go through http://bur.st/~lathiat/rebuilds at will. :) [11:59] Lathiat: :) - will soon, I'm still at openal [11:59] hm [11:59] debian has uploaded a newer openal [11:59] Lathiat: great, want to see my massive unmet deps rebuild list? ;) [11:59] but misses to install openal-config [11:59] bah, 'b' isn't working properly [11:59] ajmitch_: the to be done list? [12:00] Lathiat: yeah, I threw the 'apt-cache unmet' list at pbuilder [12:00] i have my own im working through ;p [12:00] got logs of everything [12:00] ah [12:00] what did that achieve? [12:00] the list of things that just need a rebuild? [12:01] yeah, once I process the list properly [12:01] ah ok [12:01] I'll sort out the just-need-rebuild, script the changelog adding & upload the lot [12:01] well im just working through apt-cache atm [12:01] unfortuately simple rebuilds suck a bti because i cant upload [12:02] and sending a debdiff with a changelog entry si almost pointless :) [12:02] a package shows up in unmet if it's suggests don't exist? [12:02] Amaranth: yeh, but it does tell you its a suggest [12:02] Amaranth: yes, which is why the list needs processing [12:04] wah great [12:04] openal is unbuildable in debian atm, because arts has unmet deps :/ [12:04] heh [12:04] ah yes [12:04] that evil [12:05] lets try to build in breezy [12:05] bah i hate things that dont compile [12:06] 752 upgraded, 220 newly installed, 36 to remove and 7 not upgraded. [12:06] yay, I haven't upgraded this breezy laptop for awhile :) [12:08] heh [12:08] i found alot more worked when i reinstalled [12:08] a few weeks back [12:08] probably not since UDU, in fact [12:08] _host_sockaddr.sin_port = g_htons(cport); [12:08] Lathiat: well my main breezy box was dist-upgraded from sid [12:08] wtf is wrong with that :\ [12:09] TCPTransmitter.cc:179: error: expected `(' before 'const [12:09] how the hell [12:09] g_htons isn't something weird & crackful? [12:09] i was just looking [12:09] GUINT16_TO_BE === Lathiat finds that [12:09] ajmitch_: would you consider updating openal for breezy? [12:10] siretart: I'd consider it, if it helps things compile & doesn't break others :) [12:10] I hope the newer openal doesn break too much. there are some reverse depends.. === Lathiat cant find a GUINT16_TO_BE === Lathiat wonders where glibconfig.h comes from [12:12] waaah [12:12] siretart: breakage? [12:12] ah its in /usr/lib/glib-2.0/include [12:12] crack [12:12] debian maintainer should be also be hit by something hard [12:13] he just forgets on accident installing openal-config :/ [12:14] hehe [12:14] #define GUINT16_SWAP_LE_BE_CONSTANT(val) ((guint16) ( \ [12:14] (guint16) ((guint16) (val) >> 8) | \ [12:14] (guint16) ((guint16) (val) << 8))) [12:14] is that it ends up being [12:14] i see nothing fishy [12:15] i get the feelign gcc4 might be mixing up my line numbers [12:15] after preprocessing [12:15] what do you know, the fix is a two liner :/ [12:16] siretart: massive patch === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] does anyone happen to know Dan Helfman? Does he irc? [12:17] (openal maintainer) === highvoltage just built his first debian package. ever. :) [12:18] highvoltage: great :) [12:19] ajmitch_: :) [12:22] what does 'unrepresentable changes to source' actually mean [12:23] "you have binaries which aren't in the orig.tar.gz" [12:23] uh [12:23] scary [12:23] the clean target didn't really clean it [12:23] how did that happen? [12:23] except i didnt build it [12:23] i just edited a source file since my last debuild -S [12:24] it will tell you what files it's complaining about [12:24] it's a real pain on packages with a broken 'make distclean' [12:24] pkg-source: warning: ignoring deletion of file po/zh_TW.gmo [12:24] dpkg-source: building gabber in gabber_0.8.8-5build2.dsc [12:24] dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source [12:24] debuild: fatal error at line 765: [12:24] dpkg-buildpackage failed! [12:24] it does? [12:24] oh [12:24] i see further up [12:25] oh heh [12:25] i had a copy of vim open [12:25] and it whinged about the swap file [12:25] heh [12:26] ok out for lunch [12:26] cu later! [12:28] bye === shawarma [n=sh@3E6B503C.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:41] Hi! Where do I report Breezy-bugs? Malone? [12:42] for universe, in malone [12:42] packages in main still use bugzilla for now [12:42] Ok. [12:43] Thanks === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] Hmm... What do I do if it's a package that's only available in Breezy? I can't choose it in the bugzilla interface. === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] Is anyone here using breezy and using the i810 driver for X? === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=nobody@DSL01.83.171.160.236.NEFkom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] hi folks === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:04] hi sistpoty === AstralJava [n=jaska@cm-062-241-239-36.lohjanpuhelin.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:22] how do i get md 5 sums for all the files in a directory recursively? I thought of trying ls -1R | md5sum, but obviously that only gives me the md5sum of the output. [02:27] find . -type f -exec md5sum {} \; [02:27] Lathiat: thanks [02:27] nps [02:27] use -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum instead, it won't spawn md5sum for each and every file. [02:27] (a new md5sum) [02:27] Mithrandir: ok. thanks to you too. [02:27] tseng: in the search & index prefs, the options go off the edge at higher DPIs [02:27] (i think its broken and not inside the tba or something) === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@80.252.185.147] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] Lathiat: you are using cvs? [02:32] tseng: package [02:32] uh [02:33] im at 96dpi [02:33] i dont know what you consider "high" [02:33] put it to 120 [02:33] basically the window doesnt size to fit the widgets [02:33] (and its not resizable to make it worse) [02:33] works for me [02:33] at 120dpi? [02:33] oh [02:33] there is a tiny bit of overhang [02:33] yeh [02:33] the s in folders [02:33] meh? [02:33] at 120 you almost cant hit the text box [02:33] nah [02:33] the uh F12 textbox [02:33] i can only see half of it [02:33] i can [02:33] see the whole line [02:33] what kind of monitor are you running 120dpi anyway [02:33] 1680x1050 @ 15.4" [02:34] (dell widescreen laptop) [02:34] < 1680x1050 @ 20" [02:34] heh [02:34] i guess that explains why I can see it all [02:34] or something [02:34] so make it 150 dpi then [02:34] :) [02:34] this seems stupid big [02:34] are you blind :P [02:34] http://bur.st/~lathiat/prefs.png [02:34] tseng: yeh dude i have 5 less inches to put that resolution in [02:34] yes 150 managed to pretty well screw it [02:35] and yeh 96dpi was start to annoy me [02:35] dont wanna screw my eyes :) [02:35] 120 is nice [02:35] hm i run 1440x1050 @ 14.1" [02:35] with 75 dpi [02:35] heh [02:35] thats basically by resolution [02:35] oh the laptop lcs [02:35] lcd [02:35] but 1" less [02:36] yeah === Lathiat sets 75dpi [02:36] do you have a gnome bugs account? [02:36] damn ;p [02:36] yes [02:36] want me to file one? [02:36] yeah [02:36] im not sure if its even valid [02:37] why isnt it valid? [02:37] every other application works fine at this dpi :) the window should resize itself [02:37] hm is that gtk or beagle? [02:37] i really have no idea [02:37] well i assume its just the way the window is put together [02:37] tho gnome apps in general handle dpi a bazillion times better than windows [02:37] on windows setting a higher dpi is pain [02:37] breaks everything [02:43] so, the templates file contains those questions that debconf asks when i install new packages? what's the best way to learn about templates? should i look at other packages for examples? [02:44] <\sh> g'afternoon gentlemen [02:44] hi \sh [02:44] afternoon, \sh [02:45] highvoltage: install debconf-doc, there are pretty good examples in there [02:45] sistpoty: ok, thanks. [02:45] <\sh> hmm...i just wanted to write my installation report for this laptop but somethings wrong with my X [02:45] <\sh> or kde or gnome...don't know..have to investigate === Amaranth [n=travis@ip68-96-129-148.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch_ hasn't heard of his laptop being sent yet [02:46] neither [02:47] fingers crossed for 12" or amd64 ;p [02:47] hah [02:47] probably wont be :( [02:47] i want \sh's portege r200 [02:47] UK->NZ can take awhile, anyway :) [02:49] hm... about motuglutransition: what if a package doesn't directly use gl/glu, but uses gl[u] from sdl... should it build-depend on sdl only? [02:50] sistpoty: I think so [02:50] let me check sdl deps [02:50] libsdl1.2-dev depends on libglu1-xorg-dev | libglu-dev [02:51] howdy folks [02:51] thanks ajmitch_ [02:51] <\sh> grmpf [02:51] hi sivang [02:51] <\sh> ok..compiling the sk98lin driver as kernel module only with linux-kernel-headers doesn [02:51] <\sh> 't wokr [02:52] \sh: is the driver updated in the latest breezy kernel? [02:52] <\sh> no [02:52] Lathiat: are you sure you want \sh's laptop? ;) [02:52] yes [02:53] because i know someone who has it workign perfectly :) [02:53] <\sh> skfp is the old driver...doesn't work...we should get the correct driver into the kernel...doesn't break anything [02:53] hehe [02:53] \sh: ask davyd on gimpnet about it... [02:53] \sh: he has it all working on .. maybe hoary [02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: it's working :( [02:53] might be breezy [02:53] <\sh> aeh [02:53] <\sh> :) [02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: the problem is only the installation [02:53] ah right [02:53] you need to do a net install? [02:53] he borrowed my pcmcia card [02:53] <\sh> Lathiat: the install kernel on colony cd 2 doesn't have the driver...so u have to adjust the install media [02:53] right [02:54] <\sh> ajmitch_: jepp [02:54] <\sh> Lathiat: i did it with some tricks [02:54] should get them merged in :) [02:54] only pcmcia network card I have here is a dodgy 10Mbps 3com :) [02:54] <\sh> yepp [02:54] ajmitch_: yeh well mine was a [02:54] real... something [02:54] those red ones [02:54] no [02:54] xircom [02:54] thats it [02:54] 10M xircom pcmcia [02:54] heh [02:54] <\sh> but the rest..bluetooth wifi is working out of the box [02:54] \sh: apparently bluetooth needs an acpi patch === ajmitch_ has a 33.6k xircom modem lying around [02:54] \sh: great :) [02:54] ajmitch_: ve got like 3 of those but missing the dongle [02:55] couple dual modem/network, couple network, 1 modem [02:55] i think [02:55] only got 1 network dongle [02:55] it was quite funny actually my aunty baught home this computer stuff from her work for me [02:55] mostly junk but she accidentally bought a box of papers === ajmitch_ wouldn't mind trying bluetooth+gprs if it weren't so ****ing expensive [02:55] <\sh> actually i can't really test bluetooth cause i don't have another bluetooth device...and my mobile is only looking for audio devices [02:55] so she went to take that back and i chceked in the box first and right in the bottom was a xircom network dongle [02:55] so i was happy :) [02:55] \sh: you could borrow my phone that I got a couple of weeks ago :) [02:56] <\sh> ajmitch_: hehe [02:56] <\sh> ajmitch_: but I should be able to detect the bluetooth devices in my area somehow [02:56] bluetooth works nicely with my desktop box (usb dongle) [02:56] so I hope the laptop I get has bluetooth to test === ajmitch_ wants decent sync out of the box [02:57] <\sh> i wrote 3 pages how to get this nice little bitch flying...and it's really eyecandy === ajmitch_ is jealous ;) [02:58] <\sh> ajmitch_: it cost me half a day [02:58] <\sh> to come to terms how to break the install media of colony cd2 [02:59] <\sh> mount the iso as loop, rsync it to another dir, compile a new kernel on another box, replace the modules of the initrd, replace the kernel on the install media etc.... [03:00] how evil [03:00] <\sh> kick windows from the harddrive, cause resizing wasn't working [03:00] no? [03:00] <\sh> no [03:00] resize should always work [03:00] very serious if it doesn't [03:00] <\sh> the default install is 60gb windows xp ntfs [03:00] as most new users will be dual-booting [03:00] <\sh> i just started up..and I was w8ing for one hour [03:00] & most people will have winXP, ntfs install [03:00] <\sh> nothing was showing up in the syslog, messges etc. [03:01] <\sh> tomorrow i check on ebay for a cheep external usb dvdrom [03:01] bugzilla'ed it? [03:01] <\sh> ajmitch_: no I want to reproduce it [03:01] <\sh> cause i think I made a mistake with the install [03:01] so guys, where is still help needed around in MOTU land? [03:01] with the amount of hardware in this flat, I should have no issues getting stuff installed ;) [03:01] sivang: everywhere ;) [03:01] sivang: look at MOTUGLUTransition, UniverseUnmetDeps [03:02] ajmitch_: ah the transition still continues? :) [03:02] re [03:02] sivang: of course [03:02] ajmitch_: and does ti expemt FF ? [03:02] and it will be ongoing ;) [03:03] sivang: in a sense [03:03] since it's not really a new feature [03:03] ajmitch_: I 'fixed' openal and already submitted a patch to debian: #323054 [03:03] siretart: excellent! [03:03] <\sh> the strange thing is...toshiba delivers only a dvd recovery media..so if u want to install windows...everything is gone from your previous install [03:03] \sh: I think my flatmate has a very similar laptop [03:04] if not the same model [03:04] ajmitch_: I'd like to upload and fixed version of openal with this patch to ubuntu, but I'll first test the reverse dependencies [03:04] huhu siretart [03:04] siretart: ok, I'll test vegastrike :) [03:04] <\sh> there r different portege r200 models around as I saw...and this one is not even mentioned on toshibas page [03:04] since that's on my list of packages to upload [03:04] huhu sistpoty [03:05] ah, that would be great [03:05] then I [03:05] <\sh> guys I just switch to X una momenta :) [03:05] 'd test other one [03:05] vegastrike has build-dep changes from Lathiat, gcc4 fix from me, and debian patches to merge [03:05] plus it's fun to test :) [03:06] \sh: no-go? [03:06] <\sh> back [03:07] <\sh> working now [03:07] ah great [03:07] <\sh> I think i have some troubles with kde and gnome when no network device is there [03:07] <\sh> no real network device ... [03:07] \sh: interface 'lo' has to be up [03:07] but nothing else needs to be [03:07] ajmitch_: that's the two main tasks that need be completed for breezy? [03:07] as long as 127.0.0.1/localhost resolve [03:07] <\sh> it is....but when I disable the wifi (when I was in the train just now) [03:07] sivang: I'm sure there's *lots* of other tasks, like packages that FTBFS [03:07] sivang: they are always important goals! :) [03:07] <\sh> completly, even wireless-tools were segfaulting [03:07] sivang: and don't forget reviewing! ;) [03:07] <\sh> strange thing [03:07] <\sh> s [03:07] \sh: oh. that sounds like major breakage.. [03:07] ok, can people please write up everything they know needs done on MOTUTodo, please? [03:08] <\sh> siretart: I have to reproduce it...again [03:08] ajmitch_: well, I can't review yet :) Have to get a couple of my own pkgs in before that I assmue ... [03:08] <\sh> but first I will write my installation report [03:08] and we can also discuss what needs done in the next few weeks at the next MOTU meeting (which is on 24/8 ) [03:09] ajmitch_: that would be great, so each time I get some time on hands I won't have to ask around :) [03:09] sivang: ok, but you can still add comments to other's packages :) [03:09] sivang: yeah, I don't know everything that needs done, so we need to keep track of it === ajmitch_ wishes debian development was often as fun as MOTU work ;) [03:12] ajmitch_: what's the difference? [03:12] highvoltage: usually less teamwork in debian, more flames :) [03:13] although that depends on the area that you work in [03:16] sounds like some debian guys just need to ligthen up a bit. [03:16] oh sure [03:17] debian can still be a lot of fun though [03:17] any suggestions from the channel on what needs to go on the MOTUTodo list? === ajmitch_ hears the deafening silence [03:18] *cough* [03:19] what's MOTUToMerge all about? [03:19] ajmitch_: i would contribute, if i understood myself what needs to be done. [03:19] highvoltage: any ideas about what we might be missing from universe that needs fixed? [03:19] things you may have come acrss [03:20] ajmitch_: I'm thinking of adding the ghc6 stuff to MOTUTodo [03:20] not recently. i'll have to rack my brain a bit. [03:21] ajmitch_: but it consists mainly of waiting on upstream releasing a new version or someone willing to test the preview release [03:21] hrm, if you remove the login sound [03:21] it still plays [03:21] siretart: yeah, they said 6.4.1 'real soon now' on the list [03:21] so we'll have to get that bootstrapped on the buildd [03:22] whatever 'RSN' means to them.. [03:22] :) [03:22] for some upstreams, 'RSN' means 6 months ;) [03:23] ajmitch_: for some distributions, it means nearly 12 months ;) [03:23] just joking.. [03:23] siretart: except debian :) [03:23] <\sh> hmm [03:23] sarge was slated for release in december 2003, iirc ;) [03:24] IIRC, that was the date predicted by aj back then.. [03:24] after that GR, it was clear that sarge had to be delayed.. [03:24] yup [03:24] siretart: is there a good reason to have archived uploads show up on the main page? [03:25] morning tseng [03:25] hi [03:25] tseng: you want them on a different page? [03:25] "This proposal has made me put some faith back into Debian. I hope the release manager can enforce this plan and we'll see Sarge in 2003, not 2005." [03:25] the main page is huge now [03:25] hah [03:25] just an idea [03:25] well. hm [03:26] I'm quite quick with archiving, ppl would be confused why their uploads have dissappeared.. [03:26]