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apokryphosRiddell: rubberband-type selecting is really nice. From suse patches? Was wondering if the "smooth scrolling" they have will be in Breezy too.. it's nice.12:02
Riddellapokryphos: what scrolls smoothly?12:03
Riddellapokryphos: may have to turn off rubber band, it has problems for some people12:03
apokryphosRiddell: you know, the type of "smooth scrolling" in all apps12:03
apokryphosRiddell: I noticed it's buggy when selecting larger areas...12:03
Riddellapokryphos: never noticed any smooth scrolling12:04
apokryphosI think there were comments that that was gonna happen for 3.5 anyhow (smooth scrolling), but I'm not sure. Only place I've seen it properly is in Kopete svn12:04
apokryphos...just instead of rigid/fixed type scrolling12:05
apokryphosRiddell: was wondering more if musicbrainz is actually broken. Some here have complained and for me it doesn't work anymore with juk nor amarok...12:06
Riddellyes, kopete has it12:06
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septemberhow do you disable public away in Konversation?12:06
nikkiaapokryphos: even gimp has smooth scrolling now :P12:08
nikkiaapokryphos: and it really really helps when doing pixel-perfect stuff12:08
apokryphosnikkia: we're getting left behind :P12:09
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apokryphosnikkia: hm, are there newer versions out? Doesn't seem to be the case with 2.2.812:10
apokryphosthough I don't know how it would help with pixel-perfect stuff :P. I think it looks cool/provides a better feel12:11
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sharonhi folks12:13
sharonirish ubuntu user here12:14
nikkiaapokryphos: 2.3 developer preview, really major changes12:14
apokryphosah; sounds nice12:14
nikkiaapokryphos: as i think i've mentioned to you before, they've ditched the script-fu menu from image windows, for standard plugins12:15
apokryphosyeah12:15
apokryphoshi sharon :). Across the pond here -- England.12:15
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nikkiaits pretty stable for a DP, there's only one thing i've found that caused it to crash12:15
apokryphosnikkia: I might check it out; got a few spare hours tonight... thought I was working, turned out I wasn't. 12:16
nikkiaapokryphos: just don't try to use the align layers tool, yet :/12:16
apokryphosnikkia: quite unstable here anyhow -- breezy on this computer finally. It's qiute pacey (really), but still bugs flying about12:16
nikkiaaltho i haven't checked if there is a new 2.3 build recently12:16
nikkiaits a bit of a shame too, being able to align layers is one of the things thats been missing for ages :)12:17
apokryphosnikkia: my skills extend to playing around with wallpapers, making things for site, or making myself look cool with a lightsaber :P12:18
nikkiaapokryphos: i use gimp a lot for my job12:18
apokryphosyah12:18
nikkiaand are slowly becoming more proficient at doing my own art work :P12:18
apokryphosnikkia: be afraid! http://www.youmortals.com/gallery/download.php?attachid=4166&id=172012:18
nikkiaheh, so that's what you look like?12:19
apokryphosnikkia: there's just so much in Gimp that I haven't explored. Haven't even done most of the interesting tutorials12:19
nikkiaapokryphos: i've found myself using inkscape a lot recently too12:19
apokryphosnikkia: yeah 8). Longish hair there though; a few months ago12:20
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nikkiaand had to use inkscape over remote X yesterday, since i discovered that kubuntu's version is only 0.40 so lacks some stuff :(12:21
apokryphosAshamed to say I've never tried it out12:21
apokryphosnikkia: oh, on your laptop?12:21
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, i was trying to do some non-work related UI design12:21
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nikkiaand needed to create objects around a circle, can't do it in 0.40 :/12:22
apokryphoson installing inkscape... the following package to be upgraded: gparted. Weird. :|12:22
nikkiaodd12:22
nikkiaapokryphos: tbh, every time i've tried to use sodipodi, i've been put off by the UI, inkscape's UI seems a little better somehow12:23
nikkiaaltho i think king of the bad UI design has to go to Dia and its 'lets copy gimp's interface, even though its the worst part about gimp' :)12:23
apokryphosAh, SVG stuff - excellent. UI doens't seem too bad12:23
apokryphosheh12:24
nikkiaapokryphos: there's one thing in inkscape that really annoys me, but you can work around it12:24
apokryphosor Kynaptic that tries to take Synaptic's UI for some things :|12:24
apokryphosand Quanta gets the award for most cluttered12:24
nikkiaapokryphos: that being, that there seems to be no way to select an object by name... until you realise that when you open the xml editor, and select an XML item, it selects the corresponding visual item in the main window12:25
nikkiathere are mouse shortcuts for selecting bottom and top items under the mouse, but no way to select things 'in the middle' of the stack, so it really needs a select by name12:25
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nikkiaapokryphos: under 'Edit' i believe12:26
apokryphosI'd imagine so, yeah. 12:26
apokryphosah yes, here it is12:26
nikkiaOoo12:26
nikkia'GIMP 2.3.3 developer release - a preview of gimp 2.4'12:26
apokryphosah, easily selectable, yup. Doesn't seem too bad.12:26
apokryphosoh?12:26
nikkiadoes gimp use the old linux numbering system then ?12:28
apokryphosInkscape seems quite nice; might check out some tutorials for this12:28
nikkiaie, even releases == public, odd == development12:28
apokryphosI was wondering if gnome uses the same system; as in, as kde does12:28
nikkiaapparently, the big new feature in 2.3.3 is a new selection algorithm *shrug*12:29
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nikkiaoh nice12:31
nikkiaits a tool for b3ta users :P12:31
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nikkiayou draw the selection area around something, roughly, then highlight the foreground object you want, and it auto-finds the object and selects it12:31
apokryphosthat's new?12:32
nikkiayeah, 'SIOX'12:32
apokryphosI thought that had been around for some time... maybe I'm thinking of it in another program.12:32
apokryphosreally annoying thing now is that breezy has some x problems with xrender; can't compile kde apps :|12:33
apokryphosstill; running it is good.12:34
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apokryphosnikkia: how many hours a day do you work, would you say?12:40
nikkiaapokryphos: anywhere between 10 and 1812:40
apokryphos:|12:40
apokryphosno wonder your boss likes you :P12:40
nikkiaon a really bad week, that works out to nearly 130hrs/week, eep12:41
apokryphosnikkia: you do enjoy your job though, eh?12:42
nikkiaapokryphos: moderately so :P12:42
nikkiaapokryphos: atm, i'd rather have a weekend of relaxation12:43
apokryphosnikkia: you do weekends too?12:43
apokryphosnikkia: I hope you get long holidays =)12:43
nikkiaapokryphos: since december, i've been pretty much working 7 days a week most weeks12:43
apokryphos:S12:43
nikkiaand no, i get the standard 20 days a year :/12:44
apokryphosnikkia: is that standard? :|12:44
apokryphosoh, four weeks; yeah, I guess so.12:44
nikkiai've taken 5 so far this year12:44
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nikkiawhich leaves me 10 to find a place in my calendar to take (although i might just demand 2 weeks off at christmas)12:45
apokryphosI guess that's one advantage of teaching -- long holiday hours12:45
apokryphosor long holidays, even12:46
apokryphosnikkia: you see the new appeal site? Some real promising things12:46
nikkiaapokryphos: depends on how you look at it, most of the teachers i've known, tend to work their holidays too12:46
nikkiaapokryphos: appeal site?12:46
apokryphosnikkia: and they have pretty much unpaid overtime, but they don't work all holidays, as far as I've seen. Especially not if you're primary school/lower-year-secondary school12:47
apokryphoshttp://appeal.kde.org12:47
apokryphosdot article: http://dot.kde.org/1123942244/12:47
nikkiaapokryphos: teachers are contracted, aren't they? i'd expect unpaid overtime12:47
apokryphosWorks out to quite a lot, though. A few hours every night12:48
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nikkiaapokryphos: 'Coolness' looks nice, but i worry about depending on Render so much, i've yet to see it work stable with GL enabled :/12:52
nikkiaand i need GL for work more than i need Render for fancy effects12:52
apokryphosnikkia: Yeah. I don't think they'll allow kde4 to be slower (really). I'm remaining hopeful12:54
apokryphosa lot of encouraging stuff there; and I don't think any of it is "plain vision"12:54
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nikkiaapokryphos: quite a lot of it is ripping off OS X though :)12:55
apokryphosnikkia: sure :P12:55
nikkiahmmm, i like their ideas on hiding the filesystem12:59
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apokryphosFile manager icons mockup looks interesting01:03
nikkiai dunno01:04
nikkiathat looks like it'd be very confusing01:04
nikkiai had to look at his key to see what the yellow icon decoration meant, for example01:04
apokryphosYeah; thought of that01:04
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apokryphosThe "Add to Playlist" might be;the other two are reasonably self-evident01:04
nikkiayou're basically just overloading icons on icons...01:05
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, but you have to envision it in a system with more than 1 file type01:05
apokryphosbut removing extra clicks, at least.01:05
apokryphosSure01:05
nikkiaon his example, its fine, but i have a hard time picturing it working in a folder full of 100 different file types01:05
nikkiai suppose with tooltips, it might not be so bad, but still, it'd take a lot of getting used to, and i'm not sure there's much gain really01:06
apokryphosI remember there were some more ideas flying about; I recall one being to have huge icons where you can view and manipulate the contents from the icon itself01:06
apokryphosa bit weird ;-)01:06
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nikkiaapokryphos: another idea, would be to steal a page from the bioware/atari D&D rpgs, and have a pie menu popup if you hold down the mouse button for a certain period on the icon01:06
apokryphosNever seen them in action01:07
nikkiathats basically overloading gestures on icons tho01:07
apokryphoswhy not just click for it instead?01:07
nikkiaapokryphos: basically, say you're in a room with an orc, you click on the orc, and a pie menu appears with a variety of options, say, attack, magic, talk, move01:08
apokryphospicturing it01:08
nikkiaif you drop the mouse on those, it does the default action for that group, but if you move the mouse to there, and wait a second, that pie segment expands into more choices01:08
apokryphosoh, so just "extra" options for click and hovering01:08
nikkiaso 'attack' might expand into the different attack methods your character knows01:08
apokryphosseems unnecessary; too many groups of options. They're saying one is too many :P01:09
nikkiaapokryphos: if one is too many, then stuffing 4 mini icons in the corners aren't helping, IMO :)01:09
apokryphosFound the Control Center part interesting; I never knew some planned on removing it altogether01:10
apokryphosjust giving it a serious make-over01:11
nikkiaas i said, what i just mentioned is overloading gestures on icons, rather than icons on icons, you'd get used to clicking on a mp3, pushing the mouse forward and releasing, to 'play'01:11
nikkiaor pushing right, and releasing to enqueue01:11
nikkiait complicates DnD tho01:11
apokryphosThere'll be a lot up for debate at akademy, certainly01:13
nikkiathe problem is, some of those concepts require changes to linux or X01:15
nikkiahiding the filesystem for example, won't work unless you have a proper versioning filesystem IMO01:15
apokryphosThey are planning big changes to X, though; that's why Trolltech are hiring someone to work on it, no?01:17
nikkiai hope that doesn't mean we start needing developer licenses to develop Xlib apps :P01:18
apokryphosnah01:19
apokryphoshttp://dot.kde.org/1119948104/01:19
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nvidhivehello guys01:24
nvidhiveI was wondering if the repository is acting funny for anyone else..01:24
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nvidhiveI need the linux sources to compile my wireless drivers.. but they keep going *poof*01:26
nvidhiveand I am on a t101:26
superkidshi all01:27
superkidsat least some people apretiate the power of linux :( but some dont *looks paranoid*01:28
nvidhivewho are you looking for?01:28
nvidhivethe boogey man?01:28
superkidsnoone01:28
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nvidhive*ooogey* *beeooogey* *oogey*01:29
superkids* does too01:29
superkidsboogalooga looga looga01:30
nvidhiveeek!01:30
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superkidsharathhhh!!!!01:30
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roboman900hi all01:31
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superkidshi01:32
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roboman900so whats new?01:32
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superkidsnothin much01:33
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superkidshi one01:33
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roboman900hi01:33
roboman900whats goin onm nobody out of 80 peeps are talkin01:38
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arcanistherogueHey, how do i get a desktop trash Icon?  In /home/john/Desktop, there is a "trash.desktop" icon, but how do i get it to appear on the desktop?01:44
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arcanistherogueI think it only appears when I select show hidden files.01:44
apokryphosarcanistherogue: browse to ~/Desktop and edit it with kate01:46
arcanistheroguek01:46
apokryphosarcanistherogue: change hidden=false01:46
arcanistherogueoh ok01:46
arcanistheroguethanks01:46
apokryphoss/change/change to01:46
arcanistheroguewow, this is nifty.  it has all the names in different languages :D01:47
arcanistheroguesay, cuold you make your own shortcuts like this?01:47
arcanistheroguelike write up a text file, save it as Blah.desktop, and use different values?  so you can customize icons?01:47
arcanistherogueerr customize shortcuts.01:48
apokryphosarcanistherogue: not really; all that icon does is link to trash:/01:50
apokryphosyou can of coruse create shortcuts etc perfectly in kde though01:50
arcanistheroguenifty01:52
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arcanistheroguesay, i have one more question. 01:54
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arcanistheroguethe trashcan icon makes a trashca.desktop backup file, with a little recycle icon.  How do I get rid of this?01:55
apokryphosarcanistherogue: that's because of your settings in Kate. When editing a file, it's set to automatically make backups01:56
arcanistherogueoh.  thats why i have so many backups in my c++ folder....01:56
arcanistheroguewell is it ok to delte?01:56
arcanistherogue*delete?01:56
apokryphosof course. Settings for that are in Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor -> Open/Save01:56
arcanistheroguewow, thanks alot for all the help.01:57
arcanistherogueI have one last question, I asked this on the forums but i got no response.  Do you know of any way to play .utx and .it files on linux?  I have some game music I want to play.01:57
apokryphosNo idea I'm afraid. If you don't get help in here, it's worth tryin in #ubuntu as well01:58
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arcanistheroguek.  thanks :D01:59
stevenhello01:59
steveni need sum help please01:59
steveni wanna be able to run games on kubuntu02:00
stevenwhat do i do???02:00
deank menu> games?02:00
stevenlike fifa02:01
stevennfl02:01
stevendoom02:01
stevenhalf life 202:01
stevenetc02:01
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_thiagohow do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2?02:02
apokryphos!kde34202:02
ubotuI guess kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php02:02
deanthere is fifa for linux?02:02
stevenno02:02
steveni want like an emulator or such02:02
stevento run windows games02:03
deanuse in wine02:03
stevenhow do i get it02:03
apokryphos!windows02:03
ubotuwindows is, like, Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative02:04
_thiagohow do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? do I have to config anything special after downloading them?02:04
_thiagowont I mess up with my kubuntu?02:05
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_thiagohow do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? do I have to config anything special after downloading them?02:06
apokryphos_thiago: it will download/install it all automatically if you follow the instructions at that link02:06
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apokryphos_thiago: all you have to do after is relogin02:06
_thiagook thanks02:06
deanwhat's new in kde 3.4.2?02:07
_thiagoim asking cause once I tried to update my slackware KDE packages, and after it installed them, I couldnt boot my linux anymore02:07
apokryphosdean: bugfixes02:08
deanok..02:08
_thiagodoes anybody know a good movie player for kubuntu?02:10
deankaffeine?02:10
_thiagoI tried once, but it has too many bugs02:11
apokryphosit's better now, at least. Other popular are kplayer and kmplayer02:11
_thiagoAre those available in the regulars repositories ?02:12
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apokryphosapparently not, no.02:13
apokryphos!kdeapps02:13
ubotuapokryphos: Are you smoking crack?02:13
apokryphosor... http://kde-apps.org02:13
deani hate to break the silence...02:17
_thiagodoes anybody know why my Knemo dot not show when I disconnect the network cable from my PC?02:18
apokryphosKNemo has been busted in Hoary, as I recall. A few complaints in here, and when I ran it it wouldn't work properly,02:18
_thiagobut do we have an alternative?02:19
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_jeffhey guys02:20
_jefffor the text editor Nano, what is the command to save?02:20
_thiagoan alternative to KNemo?02:20
apokryphos_jeff: after Ctrl+X press Y02:21
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_jeffthanks02:23
_thiagoany other windows look like network monitor ? 02:25
_thiagobesides KNemo?02:25
apokryphos_thiago: you've asked several times in a few minutes :P02:26
apokryphosmight be worth checking in #kde or searching on kde-apps02:26
_thiagosorry, but no one answered...02:32
_thiagothanks... 02:32
deanfor what?...02:32
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_thiagohow can I delete folders in kubuntu? 02:32
deanshift+delete02:32
_thiagobut folders that have admin privileges02:32
_thiagoany terminal command?02:32
apokryphos_thiago: sudo rm -rf /some/folder/02:32
apokryphos_thiago: be careful with that; things removed are unrecoverable02:32
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_thiagothanks02:32
_thiagook... 02:33
_thiagodont u prefer windows than linux?02:36
apokryphos_thiago: no :|02:37
_thiagook, just asking02:38
_thiagoI heard that Windows Vista will be the best OS ever!02:39
thoreauputic_thiago: BTW deleting folders that have "admin privileges" is pretty dangerous unless you know their function...02:39
thoreauputicVISTA = Viruses, Intrusions, Spyware, Trojans, Adware02:39
thoreauputic;-)02:39
_thiagook I was just deleting a app called Mplayer that Ive manually installed 02:41
apokryphosthoreauputic: wow, you cracked the name already ;-)02:43
roboman900hey im back02:43
thoreauputicapokryphos: heheh02:43
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superkidshi02:43
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leushi02:44
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_jeffhey guys02:52
_jeffim having a problem with my wlan car02:52
_jeff*card02:52
deanwlan is a memory card?02:54
_jeffno02:54
_jeffpc card02:54
_jeffive installed it and stuff02:55
_jeffbut i cant seem to get any network access02:55
_jeffalthough there is strong signal strength02:55
_jeffanybody?02:59
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delltonywhats up guys03:12
deanfunfreepages.com/flash/the_smurfs_lost_episode.php03:13
deanhuge!03:14
delltonyis that the one where smurfette gets boned by all the smurfs i always knew she was a little slutty :)03:14
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deanlol03:15
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delltonydang id like to find someone with a motorola v551 phone like i have03:16
delltonyits crazy i have ringtones out the butt and they work but when i put the wireless headset on i get a standard ring ring which sucks balls haha03:16
delltonyi know thats off topic but hey it brings conversation :)03:16
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_jeffhey guys03:18
delltonyhey and stuff03:19
_jeffcan you guys help me with my wlan?03:19
_jeffi installed ndiswrapper and i think it was installed properly, my wlan card shows up, but i dont know how to connect to networks03:20
delltonyso the card is showing up?03:21
_jeffyeah03:22
delltonywhat does ndiswrapper -L say?03:22
_jeffil check03:22
delltonyand have you modprobed ndiswrapper?03:22
delltonysteps to do if youu haven't already03:23
delltonyndiswrapper -i <driver you downloaded for card>03:23
_jeffi have03:23
delltonyndiswrapper -l  (this will list the driver installed)03:23
delltonyndiswrapper -m (makes the modprobe config)03:23
delltonythen modprobe ndiswrapper03:24
delltonyonce that is done then you do this03:24
delltonysudo /etc/network/interfaces03:24
_jeffok, now it says net8180 driver present , hardware present03:24
delltonyok03:24
delltonypm me and i hope your using xchat03:24
deangood night all03:25
delltonynight03:25
_jeffim using konversation03:25
delltonyoh ok well xchat woulud allow you to pipe the display to me but anyway03:25
delltonyin your /etc/network/interfaces you need this03:25
delltonyiface wlan0 inet dhcp03:26
delltonyauto wlan003:26
delltonyunless of course you want it static03:26
delltonyonce that is done then do this03:26
_jeffok, just gimme a sec03:26
delltonysudo ifdown wlan003:26
delltonysudo ifup wlan003:26
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_jeffok, i added those 2 lines to my interface file03:29
_jeffi think03:29
_jeffill double check03:29
delltonythere is more too it 03:30
delltonybut are you caught up yet?03:30
_jeffok, so i put those 2 lines in my interfaces file03:30
_jeffdoes it matter where i put it?03:30
delltonyok03:30
delltonyjust put it at the end of the file03:30
delltonyand save it03:30
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_jeffok i did03:31
delltonyalright03:31
delltonydid you bring the card down with ifdown03:31
delltonyand then ifup?03:31
_jeffill try it again03:32
delltonyno did you do it before03:32
delltonyyes or no03:32
delltonyone time is enough03:32
delltonyif our caught up with me so far then we can proceed03:32
pl_icehi03:32
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delltonyyour*03:32
delltony_jeff, try this now03:32
delltonytry sudo iwlist scan03:33
_jeffit said it couldnt read interfaces03:33
delltonyand you modprobed the ndiswrapper?03:33
delltonyand you ndiswrapper -m befre you modprobed?03:33
_jeffi just did iwlist scan03:33
delltony<_jeff> it said it couldnt read interfaces03:34
delltonywhat said this?03:34
delltonybe specific please03:34
_jeffwhen i did the ifdown03:34
delltonythats fine it was probably already down03:34
delltonydid you ifup wlan003:34
_jeffill try it03:35
delltonyifup wlan0 should call dhclient and bind you an ip03:35
delltonywhen it does i should tell you the ip03:35
delltonyand return you to your shell prompt03:35
pl_iceu guys know where i can get clamAV 0.86.x ? i got ftp. backports open, and can't find sources entry on the forum. 03:36
delltonyyou tried sourceforge just a guess03:36
_jeffit said couldnt read interfaces03:36
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delltonywhat said couldn't ead interfaces?03:36
delltonyagain be specific03:36
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_jeffi did the ifup03:37
pl_iceneh, but long time ago i did it via kynaptic, just killed my sources.list and now not sure where was it03:37
Llukaxhey guys, i was wondering if someone could help me fix this error 03:37
Llukax(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * <----03:37
delltonypaste me your /etc/network/interfaces03:37
pl_iceLlukax thats a warning not error ww03:37
_jeffok03:37
Llukaxyah i know but its not werking03:38
Llukax:P03:38
Llukaxheres the rest of it03:38
Llukax(WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) *03:38
Llukax(WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available *03:38
delltonynot ww is warnings03:38
delltonynote*03:38
Llukaxi installed the ati drivers and all03:38
Llukax:P03:38
Llukaxand i read that i may have to have a second module loaded03:38
pl_iceand u changed the ati entry in xorg.conf03:38
Llukaxfor 3d acceleration03:38
pl_ice?03:38
Llukaxyes03:38
Llukaxchanged it to fglrx03:39
delltonydid you run fglrx-config03:39
Llukaxi dont have fglrx-config03:39
Llukax>_<03:39
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Llukaxack wait03:39
Llukaxsorry03:39
Llukaxyes i did03:39
Llukaxbut03:39
delltonyfixing to say then you didn't get it from ati03:39
delltony:)03:39
Llukaxit only works for xfree8603:39
Llukaxdont werk for xorg03:39
delltonyno it doesn't03:39
delltonythe one from ati works with xorg03:39
delltonythe one from ubuntu that is xorg-server is borked03:40
delltonyand only works with xfree8603:40
Llukaxok well it says to write to xfree03:40
delltonyi know i personally use it03:40
delltonylet me paste you something03:40
delltonyhang on03:40
pl_icedelltony ,what cand u have? i got 9550 and works ok from kynaptic03:40
delltony1. Download official driver .rpm from the ATI website.03:41
delltony2. Remove fglrx packages using synaptic.03:41
delltony3. Shut down gnome. [ From terminal: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ] 03:41
delltonykdm in your case03:41
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Octaneanyone know if there is a way to stop this random crap from going in my /var/log/messages? http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml03:41
Llukaxok i dont have an rpm i have a .run03:41
delltony4. cd to where you downloaded the driver rpm file.03:41
delltony5. sudo alien fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.rpm03:41
delltony6. sudo mv /lib/modules/YOURKERNELVERSIONHERE/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko $HOME03:41
Octanehttp://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/124803:41
Llukaxwill that still werk?03:41
Octaneerr i mean that url ^03:41
delltonyread what i told you dude03:41
delltonythats how you do it :)03:41
Llukaxok one sec03:41
Octaneits realllyyyy annoying03:41
delltony7. dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb03:42
delltony8. cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod03:42
delltony9. sudo sh make.sh03:42
delltony9. sudo sh make.sh03:42
delltony10. cd /lib/modules/fglrx03:42
delltony11. sudo sh make_install.sh03:42
delltony12. modprobe fglrx03:42
delltony13. fglrxconfig03:42
delltonythats it game over pay me 1,000 usd :p03:42
pl_icedelltony is that from howto?if not can u put it on the forum?03:43
delltonyits from a howto03:43
delltonyi don't know the link off hand though03:43
delltonyactually i think it was from bugzilla where i complained about xorgserver-fglrx being xfree8603:44
delltonythey still haven't fixed it by the way )03:44
delltonythe offical ati driver works with xorg though03:45
pl_icedelltony, so howcome my works?03:45
delltonyhowever i have yet to get tvout to work 03:45
delltonywell it works let me restate that03:45
delltonyit works but its preconfigured03:45
delltonyyou can't fglrx-config03:45
delltonyit will make a xfree86 file03:46
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delltonynot an xorg.config file03:46
delltonyunless they recently changed it03:46
pl_icei got xorg.conf ,all the time had it03:46
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delltonyand you got the ubuntu's xorg-server fglrx?03:46
pl_icewhen did u try it? i reinstalled it 2 wks ago03:46
delltonyoh its been a while03:47
delltonyevidently they finally got around to my bug report :)03:47
delltonyit was about 2 weeks after hoary came out03:47
delltonyhe pl_ice just curious little off topic but do you have a motorola v551 cell phone?03:48
pl_icehm, how do i check for that server? i can see only xserv-xorg without fx..03:48
pl_icenope, nokia :] 03:48
delltonytype apt-cache show | grep fglrx03:48
delltonythat should list only fglrx and tell you if its installed or not03:48
delltonyyou have to supply it with the name sorry03:49
pl_icedon't think my apt-catche ever worked :] 03:49
delltonylike for instance apt-cache show mplayer03:49
pl_icehm, did apt-cache show fglrx ; got none03:51
delltonyit has to be the exact package03:51
pl_iceright, done the * :] 03:52
delltonyls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list03:52
delltony(change list to fglrx)03:53
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pl_iceoki, got the server:03:54
pl_icexorg-driver-fglrx.list03:54
delltonyhmm they must have updated it thenn03:54
delltonytype this03:54
delltonyapt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx03:54
delltonyand it should tell youw hat you got03:54
pl_iceyep, heaps of info :] 03:55
pl_icei didn't put - afer driver :/03:55
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pl_icehey, have u got backport entry other than : ftp://ftp2.caliu.info   ? can u post some more if u have them?03:57
delltonydeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted03:58
delltonydeb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted03:58
hater2winwhat would I use to Unrar something in linux?03:58
delltonyunrar :)03:58
pl_icethnx03:59
hater2winoh... lol03:59
delltonysudo apt-get install unrar :)03:59
hater2windelltony: thanks for answering the most complicated question ive ever had... =p03:59
delltonyhaha03:59
delltonynp03:59
pl_iceapt-get install rar   ....04:00
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delltonyunrar actually 04:00
delltonyi believe04:00
delltonyno maybe it is rar 04:00
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delltonytype apropos rar04:00
delltonyand see04:00
pl_iceyeh, but nice to have rar as well ;)04:00
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delltonyrar (1)              - archive files with compression04:01
delltonyits there04:01
bjvwhere does the file 'crtbegin.o' come from? i get an error when ./configuring this tar.gz04:01
bjvapt check doesnt show any lib packs missing. :\04:01
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sproingiecrtbegin.o is part of gcc04:06
delltonysomeone help me im having a brain fart whats the command to list hardware detecting like dsmeg or something like that04:08
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phreakyswoohoo04:09
pl_icelsmod ?04:09
phreakysati drivers work04:09
delltonynah04:09
phreakysfinally :S04:09
pl_icephreakys , can u change the resolution? 04:09
phreakyssure04:09
pl_icehm, mines locked up04:09
phreakysbut 3d acceleration is on now04:09
delltonyits dmesg04:10
hater2windelltony: i type    unrar file.rar /dir/to/unrarto   and nothing happens04:10
phreakysthat was a mess04:10
pl_icehehe04:10
phreakysi tried reinstalling under root console04:10
phreakysthat worked04:10
pl_icewhat card u got?04:10
phreakys960004:10
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phreakyslets test :D04:11
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phreakyshow can i test 3d in linux?04:11
pl_iceglxgears should get heaps of fps04:11
NDServicephreakys: OpenGL? try glgears04:12
delltonydid you try typing unrar and reading the commands :)04:12
phreakysok, running04:12
phreakys732 fps04:12
phreakysany good?04:12
pl_icenope :/ no 3d04:12
phreakysnot?04:12
pl_icei got 955 and fps= 150004:12
phreakysit says direct rendering on04:12
pl_ice*9550 card04:13
phreakyshmm04:13
pl_iceglxinfo04:13
pl_icethen scan trhough, should say:04:13
pl_iceOpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic04:13
phreakysi have 9600se04:14
phreakysbut its there04:14
pl_iceand direct rendering: Yes04:14
phreakysyea04:14
phreakysits on04:14
pl_icehm...04:14
phreakysis it slow?04:15
pl_icehow much ram u got ? on the card? maybe it's correct :] 04:15
phreakysehm, 256 i believe04:15
pl_icemy is bit worse that urs, got 256 ram... but 3d works. normally had 4.7 fps :]  w/o 3d04:16
phreakysyea, thats a big difference04:16
phreakystransparency in kde should work to now?04:16
phreakysi mean...fast transparency?04:17
pl_iceyeh, mine works04:17
phreakysmine 2...its way fast now04:17
phreakysallthough...04:17
pl_ice:]  glad04:18
phreakyswell,. not exactly :)04:18
phreakysbut im glad it works 04:18
pl_iceanyone uses clamAV 0.86.x? can't find package to install it04:18
pl_ice*upgrate form 0.85 to 0.8604:19
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pl_icebie04:19
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bjvhmm, can i extract all the .o files in the gcc .deb some how04:29
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bjvand force them to be placed back into the system?04:29
bjvbecause apt intalling/removing isnt repairing this missing .o ive found.04:30
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bjvah!04:34
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pl_ice:] 04:37
bjvstrange that a simple dpkg --unpack replaced the files04:38
bjvbut apt-get install did not.04:38
bjvhuh.04:38
pl_icenot sure, can u just extract the file and overwrite it? use mc or something to get into it04:39
bjvi grepped  dpkg -c gcc for the file, and it was there.04:39
bjvso i just unpacked it, and peeked back in the /usr/lib dir04:40
bjvit had 5 files, when before it had 004:40
bjvdunno.04:40
pl_icedon't know04:41
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Llukax>_<04:50
Llukaxwell that didnt werk04:50
Llukaxnow its (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP04:50
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phreakyshi04:55
phreakyssomehow my khotkeys are screwed04:55
phreakyscan i get them back somehow?04:55
pl_icedon't know :]  c ya uni time04:57
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phreakys:)05:00
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ms12is there a special switch in rsync to preserve permissions and ownerships?05:15
jesusfishanyone know of an amaroK 1.3-beta3 deb for Hoary?05:20
crimsunjesusfish: I haven't made one yet, but I can do that tonight.05:20
jesusfishcrimsun: woah...just poped in to ask again05:20
jesusfishgood timing05:20
jesusfishcrimsun: oh, looks like 1.3 was just released05:21
jesusfishcrimsun: tonight05:22
crimsunI'll have something hacked up in the morning.05:22
jesusfishawesome05:22
jesusfishthx05:22
crimsunI suspect if it gets into Breezy, hoary-backports will get it automatically.05:22
jesusfishthat'd be nice05:22
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phreakyshi05:42
phreakysi downloaded a bootsplash. how can i install it on kubuntu?05:43
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phreakysanyone knows how to install a bootsplash?05:44
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memoryleekis anyone running on a laptop with a wireless pcmcia card? ...i'm having probs setting mine up05:45
Tribunenope. i'm using LAN05:46
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memoryleekdamnit...i have everything set up...just the card wont turn on it seems like05:47
Tribunerelax... someone will help u. i want to know to how to set up...05:48
memoryleeki know...its just frustrating...its the last thing i really need to do on this laptop before the semester starts05:49
benjamin1254is there a way to read wma files in linux?05:49
jsubl2memoryleek, have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles05:49
Tribunei use  kaffeine... works with wma... 05:49
memoryleekjsubl2 i'll check that out05:50
memoryleekbenjamin1254...as far as video...VLC works (sometimes)05:50
benjamin1254i mean audio side of it since i use napster and i wana read my music from downstars off my windows pc05:50
memoryleekbenjamin1254 i think there's a wma codec for xmms...cant remember the link offhand05:51
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memoryleekson of a Bit.. i just happen to have a card that doesnt work...that's what i get for shopping at Wal-Mart >(05:53
benjamin1254memory i wasent here b405:53
benjamin1254what card u usin man05:53
memoryleeklinksys wpc54g05:53
memoryleekshould have known when i had a time getting it working in win2k05:54
benjamin1254hmmm i have looked high and low and sometimes it takes a bit to get thoes running05:54
memoryleekyea... i think i'm just going to buy a new one...do you use one?05:54
benjamin1254my buddy had to do a search for it on the linux search on google... www.google.com/linux05:54
memoryleekbenjamin1254 yea i've been googling for days..05:55
benjamin1254lol... but linux googling?05:56
benjamin1254there is a specialty search for linux users05:56
memoryleekwell...adding linux into everything i've searched05:56
benjamin1254lol the just head to www.google.com/linux and search for it u will find what u need im sure05:57
memoryleeki am...i'm looking into buying a new card and access point soon anyway but just trying to save some cash05:57
benjamin1254eh i am too... but i havent done nethng with wireless as of yet cuz of time money and now collage coming up this october05:58
memoryleekdamn...you dont start until october??? i go back on the 25th of this month05:59
benjamin1254:-/ well its cuz im a newbie at the whole collage deal and i am just starting out... ill be attending a 2 year full time year round collage PTI06:00
benjamin1254pitsburg technical institute06:00
memoryleekoh okay...i have a friend that's in hallmark tech institute...kinda the same thing06:00
benjamin1254i love there linux server06:01
memoryleekheh...what is your major or whatever they call it?06:01
benjamin1254yeaqh the tech institutes r nice... seeing as i road a 2000 doller segway durring my tour of the school06:02
benjamin1254my major will be computer forensics06:02
benjamin1254a nice way of cazlling me a legal hacker06:02
benjamin1254calling*06:02
memoryleekLMAO...the segway...colossal waste of engineering06:02
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memoryleekcomp forensics eh...sounds fun06:02
benjamin1254yea i have plans on hoping to be hired on to the fbi06:03
benjamin1254my cuz works with the fbi as well so ill be working right about the same place she is06:03
memoryleekthat's cool...fbi pays good too06:04
benjamin1254i hope ... i mean i want to get everything p[ayed off asap.. im gana take some of the money i get from my loan and i am gana buy 2 or 3 laptops for myself for linux use06:05
benjamin1254i have a 40,000 doller loan pulled right now... so i hope to work things out to get it all payed off in the shortest amount of time06:06
memoryleekhehe...why so many? take some of that money and just save it...just in case06:06
benjamin1254why so many well my profesion calls for some seriouse work on computers and knowing a bit of this and that06:07
benjamin1254i have a program i wana load into my 1 laptop call PHLAK06:07
memoryleekyea i can see that but youre still in school...you wont need it now06:08
benjamin1254i graduated from highschol months ago man06:08
benjamin1254i need it now for everythinbg that wont be covered in goverment grants06:09
memoryleekyea true...what laptops are you looking at?06:09
benjamin1254ne that are like in the mid range like 64 bit laptops... and plus some gigabit eathernet laptops... not sure of brand name though. im thinking of getting maybe an asus moble pc06:10
benjamin1254asus moble laptop exuse me.. long day at work06:11
memoryleekdude...wait for a year and get the apple Powerbook x86...that's going to be awesome06:11
benjamin1254yeah i heared about them loeaking info ... they have a cupple working oses built already and a buddy of mine has one for just messing around so far it looks awsome06:12
memoryleekhells yea...i cant wait to get my hands on one06:13
benjamin1254yeah its leaked out so far and people have made builds of the os to where they get around the securty checks... its mainly a bittorrent file right now06:13
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memoryleekyea but those builds are nothing like what will be coming out...apple is way smarter than that06:14
benjamin1254:)) sorta like microshaft is....06:14
memoryleeklol...microsoft is too smart for their own good06:14
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benjamin1254no mcrosoft has a bit of an issue... did u kno the OEM OSes now that they sell are becoming iligal to sell because of some dumb ass reason... i think they want people to pay fll price for it06:16
memoryleekexactly...and that will be their downfall because piracy will ALWAYS exist06:16
benjamin1254linux will and should be windows downfall06:17
Tribunein my country............ piracy microsoftware selling for US$ 1.5 =))06:17
memoryleekhehe....hate to say it but linux wont kill windows anytime soon06:17
Tribunehahahahahah06:17
benjamin1254they even have a microsoft linux site i have seen floating arounf the internet06:18
memoryleekTribune...sweet06:18
Tribuneu can buy it illegally06:18
Tribune10 software... Free 1 software06:18
benjamin1254yeah but oems they are starting to shutdown06:18
memoryleeklol..i bought winXP pro for 8 dollars ...LEGALLY06:18
memoryleekhaha06:18
benjamin1254:O how06:19
memoryleeklol...my university has a deal with microsoft...we pay for the software by the CD...and we only pay 8 bucks per CD06:19
benjamin1254:OWOW06:20
memoryleekHAHA06:20
Tribuneheheheheh kwelllllllll06:20
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memoryleeki have win 98 se...win2k...and winXP Pro sitting next to me right now...and when vista comes out, i'll have that too06:20
Tribunei have win2k, XO, server2003, and longhorn ahakz06:21
TribuneXP*06:21
benjamin1254yeah but again it wil be the price of a new game console or higher06:21
benjamin1254and still with as many security holes06:21
Tribuneoffice 200306:21
Tribuneautocad 200i06:21
Tribune:))06:22
memoryleekTribune...did you get affected by the "genuine advantage" program?06:22
Tribunegenuine?06:22
memoryleekbenjamin1254...yep...so people will sell their current PCs and just buy new ones with it installed06:22
Tribunewhat that06:22
benjamin1254yeah man whats that06:23
memoryleekTribune: yea MS has this program that keeps pirated software from updating...it was cracked by the second day it was out...LOL06:23
benjamin1254LMFAO06:23
memoryleekMS already gave up on it06:23
Tribuneall CD i bought..... come in together with crack06:23
memoryleekLOL06:23
Tribunehik406:23
memoryleekhere's how you stop Piracy...LOWER THE DAMN PRICES!!!06:24
benjamin1254duh06:24
Tribuneif they do............ do you think ppl will turn to linux?06:24
benjamin1254but microshaft has gay issues06:24
benjamin1254i dont wana become poor issues06:24
memoryleekTribune: no...too complicated06:24
Tribunehahaha06:25
memoryleekbenjamin1254: they have issues, and so does everything else06:25
benjamin1254isent miscroshaft technicly a monopoly 06:25
Tribunememoryleek. how to install wine did do apt-get install wine06:25
Tribunebut i can't06:25
memoryleekTribune: i honestly dont know...that's one thing i havent tried yet...why wouldn't it let you?06:26
memoryleekbenjamin1254: not really06:26
memoryleekbut they are monopolistic06:26
memoryleekas long as MS has a viable contender (apple) then they are ok06:26
benjamin1254how arent the morons of the worl a monopoly?06:26
benjamin1254O OK06:27
memoryleekLOL06:27
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memoryleekthey act like a monopoly but they get away with it06:27
benjamin1254soon they may run our gov06:27
memoryleeknah...that's the oil business' job06:28
benjamin1254i bet if bill ran for prsident he would get hired in automaticly06:28
memoryleekif he had the charisma and charm of Steve Jobs he would06:28
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benjamin1254steve jobs?06:29
geargolemwhat are the advantages to kubuntu over ubuntu?06:29
memoryleekCEO/founder of Apple06:29
benjamin1254O OK06:29
memoryleekgeargolem: nothing...ubuntu has gnome...kubuntu has KDE06:29
benjamin1254durr ... im stupid today06:29
geargolemmemoryleek, your name is familiar06:29
memoryleekbenjamin1254: its called senioritis06:30
memoryleekgeargolem ;)06:30
benjamin1254i agree memoryleek06:30
memoryleeklol06:30
geargolemmemoryleek, would changing fix my Xauthorization problem?06:30
memoryleekgeargolem: possible...but that's a bit drastic06:30
geargolemmemoryleek, I'm a drastic man.06:31
memoryleekgeargolem: somehow i'm not suprised...haha....try running kubuntu from a live CD first if your going to do it that way06:31
benjamin1254geargolem how did u get ur name... and i think u should find an avatar of a gear golem it would look awsome06:31
geargolembenjamin1254, its a loooooooong story.  Once upon a time....06:32
benjamin1254i have all night06:32
geargolemmemoryleek,  I've seen the desktop, alot flashier.06:32
geargolembenjamin1254,    .....  and after the 35th time we had sex that night she started calling me geargolem after that.06:32
memoryleekgeargolem: heh...yea...i prefer kde to gnome anyday06:33
benjamin1254i have exactly 48 hrs to work with06:33
benjamin1254yeah i do to06:33
benjamin1254its better in feel wise06:33
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geargolemlol06:33
benjamin1254and its not as stuck up like gnome06:33
geargolemThat &^*&^*&^s it!06:33
Tribunei install kubuntu in my desktop. how can i install package a?06:33
memoryleekbut i really like fluxbox for my desktop system06:33
memoryleekTribune: what package?06:34
geargolemcripes, here we go on tangents to confuse the newb.06:34
Tribunesudo apt-get install ? anybody can support me?06:34
benjamin1254flux box is awsome depending how its setup06:34
Tribuneexample package a06:34
memoryleekTribune: sudo apt-get install <packagename>06:34
geargolemwhat packages do I need to install for kubuntu?  My synaptic don't work and I have to do it manually.06:34
Tribuneactually i'm still new with kubuntu06:34
memoryleekgeargolem: try apt-get install kde306:35
memoryleekTribune: have you used Debian before?06:35
Tribunememoryleek Tribune: sudo apt-get install gnome?06:35
geargolemTry!!?  There is no try!  Only do!06:35
Tribunei did use knoppix 3.6  before06:35
Tribunerun in cd06:35
Tribunebefore i use fedora coe306:35
Tribunecore3*06:37
memoryleekTribune: yea its the same...but just do sudo before anything that requires root06:37
memoryleekyuck!! i hate fedora06:37
benjamin1254geargolem do u know how to do the actions? such as such and such user is doing blah blah blah06:37
Tribunefedora... hahahahah..... 06:37
Tribunei agreed06:37
geargolembenjamin1254, yes06:37
memoryleekhehe06:37
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Tribuneby the way.. do kubuntu or debian need to install anti virus? if yes.. how to install?06:37
memoryleeki've only been able to successfully run Debian based distros06:37
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memoryleekTribune: there are anti-virus clients, but i've never tried one...i'm ashamed06:37
geargolembenjamin1254, why do you ask?06:37
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memoryleekalright guys...i gotta run...laters all06:40
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pl_icehi, anyone can tell me why i can't run matlab (gui) from start menu , yet i can from shell , and pops up as gui ?06:40
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benjamin1254yes im still wondering since he left i had to go do something ... i just wana do actions myself but forgot how 206:52
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benjamin1254wmspaceweather - WindowMaker dock app that shows the "weather" in space............ i cant get it to load and i am unable to see it from the linux version of the start menu... 07:03
benjamin1254i cant get wmspaceweather to run07:07
benjamin1254ne ideas peoples?07:08
jake1ok... i am so lost07:11
benjamin1254lost07:11
benjamin1254why lost07:11
jake1i was in Ubuntu and seemingly i got banned cuz they are saying i have some type of bot07:11
jake1or script07:11
jake1that is doing something07:11
jake1but i don't have ANY scripts07:11
jake1so i have no clue what anyone is talking about07:12
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jake1or bots07:12
jake1they are like telling me to remove it, but i dnt have one07:12
benjamin1254hmmm... what r u using 4 ur IRC chat system07:12
jake1xchat07:12
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benjamin1254hmm ... give me a sec need to check something07:13
jake1apparently everyone is saying [Notice]  -jake1-  [some undefined musician] [ stars] [] 07:13
jake1that that is what happens07:13
Tribunei did install kubuntu and running it ok07:13
jake1i have no clue what is going on07:13
Tribunehow can i update to get gnome?07:13
jake1don't you have Gnome ?07:14
benjamin1254thats degrade not an upgrade07:14
Tribunenope07:14
jake1you should be able to select it in the session manager07:14
benjamin1254gnome no i have the kde version07:14
jake1or something of such07:14
Tribuneduring installation... i face internet connection.. so only kde package in my pc07:14
benjamin1254yeah im installing xchat for kubuntu07:14
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benjamin1254idk its odd... 07:16
jake1i'm using Xchat on Mac OS X07:16
jake1and i have never had this problem07:16
jake1with the whole bot thing07:16
jake1considering i dnt have any bots07:16
jake1or scripts07:16
benjamin1254MAC os x for i86 or powerpc?07:16
jake1PPC07:16
jake1i would never do such a thing as betray apple hardware07:17
benjamin1254lol ... ithought u were one of the lucky ones who have it for i8607:17
jake1NEVER07:17
jake1i was curious of whether it would work on an AMD system07:17
benjamin1254betray.. but they are making the move over to i8607:17
jake1or only Intel07:17
benjamin1254it would man ive seen it done07:17
jake1yes but they are not there yet07:17
jake1on AMD07:18
jake1or intel?07:18
benjamin1254cuz it is i86 compatable07:18
jake1:-\07:18
jake1maybe i will download it then07:18
benjamin1254:)) man just be lucky to get one w/o the security checks an stuff... 07:19
jake1i will try07:19
benjamin1254there are some that are avalabe on bitorrent07:19
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jake1everything is available on Bittorrent07:19
jake1but first i am downloading Tiger07:19
benjamin1254:) o man im so tired07:20
benjamin1254o well a few more hrs on here and i will be ok07:20
jake1wow that's funny07:20
jake1i'm white07:20
benjamin1254:)) not black thats a shocker07:20
benjamin1254LMFAO07:20
jake1yea can't you tell by my elaborate spelling and my use of big words such as floccinaucinihilipilification07:21
jake1black people aren't smart enough to know words like that07:21
jake1or even able to spell elaborate07:21
jake1:-P07:21
benjamin1254hey i am black... and smart... not a dumbassed slave ne more07:22
jake1DAMN07:22
jake1i need someone to pick the cotton07:22
jake1jp07:22
benjamin1254LOL i know i aint dumb man 07:22
jake1but you're black07:23
jake1sorry... i kinda just assumed07:23
jake1i figured you were typing from a stolen laptop07:23
jake1somewhere in the projects07:23
benjamin1254\:-\07:24
benjamin1254dude im white... if u cant tell 07:25
benjamin1254i was just playin07:25
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benjamin1254oi07:25
benjamin1254idk how many jewish black people u know lol07:26
jake1yea i figured... you were either a black jew, white, or asian since you were smart enough to figure out how to use IRC07:26
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benjamin1254lmfao07:28
benjamin1254...I feel like a dumb jew07:28
benjamin1254waiting on whitty responce...07:30
jake1ah07:30
jake1ok then07:30
benjamin1254i love chocoalate monkeys...and i live with a jewish chimp07:31
benjamin1254im pigmentally challenged07:33
jake1that page assumes there are no small geeks or nerds07:40
jake1or medium07:40
jake1it has sizes Large, Extra Large, Double Extra Large07:40
jake1crazy07:40
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Fatejudgerdoes anyone know how to fix the MBR after installing Windows after linux on a dual boot system?08:06
Fatejudgeris anyone even here?08:10
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McScrufflo08:19
zAo^what do I need to install in order to let KDE start the sound server? I get an error msg that it cant be starten (file or dir not found)08:22
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Tribunehow to set display in kubuntu? my monitor running in 640. i'm using 17'' Colour monitor. 08:33
zAo^Tribune: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf08:34
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zAo^can anyone plz help me with the KDEsound?08:43
seaLnezAo^: has sound worked before in linux?08:44
seaLnemaybe the installer didn't detect your card08:44
zAo^seaLne: yes. In gnome it still works08:44
zAo^seaLne: I installed KDE myself (useing APT)08:44
seaLneis arts installed?08:44
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zAo^yes it is08:45
seaLnedo "ps -ef|grep arts" to check its running?08:45
zAo^it is :)08:45
seaLneif you run "id" is audio listed?08:47
zAo^yes :)08:47
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seaLnehmm08:49
azolhi all. I want to download kubuntu install iso  via rsync. Where can I find rsync server with kubuntu iso?08:50
seaLneand i take it "ls -l /dev/dsp*" lists 2 things?08:50
seaLneazol: not sure if there thats available08:50
seaLnezAo^: does "cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav > /dev/dsp" do anything? or running that with sudo?08:51
zAo^seaLne: no. Nothing :S08:52
seaLneany error?08:52
seaLnewas that no /dev/dsp ?08:53
zAo^no error, /dev/dsp exits08:54
zAo^perms: crw-rw----  1 root audio08:54
seaLneweird08:54
zAo^o, o... :-)08:54
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seaLnezAo^: hmm not sure then :-/08:56
zAo^thanks seaLne for the help. I'm going back to gnome then08:57
zAo^seaLne: can you help this?09:00
zAo^$ artsd09:00
zAo^ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM snd_cs46xx09:00
zAo^ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave09:00
zAo^Error while initializing the sound driver:09:00
zAo^device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)09:00
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Tribunehi.... previous there is somebody teach me to install a package09:01
Tribuneafter installing it.... i can see 5 person in the round invirioment09:01
Tribunehow to get that package?09:02
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Tribunei can't go to my terminal after update using knyapatic any idea'?09:37
paineswhich terminal ?09:38
Tribunestart / utilities / terminal09:39
Tribunei want to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop09:39
Tribunecan u intruct me paines?09:40
Tribunei did restart few time09:40
Tribunebut it the same09:40
seaLneweird, you tried KMenu -> Run Command then type konsole?09:41
Tribunewow!! it help.... thanks09:42
Tribune:))09:42
Tribune<-- still new in kubuntu09:42
hussamanybody knows why the Kubuntu 3.4.2 packages don't have kdeartwork?09:43
painesTribune, you can also press alt+f2 and fire any command in there, like konsole etc09:44
painesi do that all the time09:44
Tribuneyeeeeeehaaaa09:45
Tribunethanks guy09:45
Tribunei love kubuntu09:45
Tribunehahahaha09:45
painesyep, love it too09:45
Tribunecan ubuntu... (My Desktop) Communicate with my pocket pc.. toshiba e740<-- running Microsoft OS?09:45
painesdon't know09:46
Tribuneic09:46
painesif you are lucky, than you can find a software which you can use to sync stuff like, adressboock etc09:46
paineslast week i found out that i can connect my nokia mobile phone and access via kde apps, didn't know that too09:47
painesso, ask google i think09:47
Tribunek09:47
Tribunekubuntu.. don't have to maintain hardware. example SUSE there is YAST.... Kubuntu is it hidden or etc?09:48
seaLnecontrol center should be in the menu09:49
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Tribunemy pc like to hang...... when using kubuntu. Pentium III 1.0gbyte. 80g.bye HDD 512ram10:10
Tribuneany ideas?10:10
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torznikkia: you around?10:14
nikkiavaguely10:14
torzheh10:14
torzyou know much about .mkv files?10:14
nikkianope10:14
torzhmmm supposively mplayer is supposed to play them but heh, its being naughty.10:15
torzoh yea I ditched 64bit Kubuntu as well, things were getting annoying.10:15
nikkiaah, they're matroska files10:15
torzyep :~)10:15
torzmatroska indeed10:15
nikkiatorz, you may need special support at compile time for matroska under mplayer10:15
torzI've never heard of it until yesterday10:16
torzah I see, I let apt do all the work to fetch mplayer686 for me you see10:16
nikkiayeah, i figured10:17
nikkiawhich means you're at the whim of the package maintainer's build options10:17
nikkiaand matroska is pretty unusual10:17
torzyep10:17
nikkiaIF it needs special support at compile time (i haven't checked, but lots of things do) the chances are the P.M didn't configure it :/10:17
torzmaybe I have to download codecs for it.. mmmm10:17
nikkiaapparently, yes, it has to be compiled with matroska support10:18
nikkiaits about fedora, but here's a similar issue:   http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-621.html10:18
torzah nice :~)10:18
torzwill open it soon(ish), my bandwidth is soaked atm.10:19
torzor not lol10:19
nikkiaits not that important, its basically just a fedora user complaining the same thing - that his mplayer doesn't play mkv files10:19
nikkiaand people saying 'you have to rebuild the source'10:19
torzmmm that sounds hard10:20
nikkiahmmm, you also need 'libmatroska' installed, apparently10:20
torztorum@titan:~$ locate libmatroska10:20
torzapparently not :~) heh better go fetch it then10:20
nikkiai'll wager its not in the repositories either10:20
torzyou win :~)10:21
torzI guess i could find a debian package10:21
nikkiacompiling mplayer isn't too hard, if you have all of its dependancies installed10:21
nikkiaand that isn't too hard on apt based systems, just look at the list of dependancies for the mplayer you have, then go thru each one and make sure you have any matching -dev package installed10:22
nikkiathen you'd want to download and build the libmatroska stuff, then build mplayer itself10:22
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nikkiai'd recommend uninstalling the system mplayer first, making sure it doesn't auto-uninstall any deps, then use checkinstall to build them10:23
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torzand where do I get the package from? the official mplayer site?10:23
nikkia(them = libmatroska and mplayer)10:23
nikkiatorz, yeah, that'd be my suggestion10:24
igorezexit10:27
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seaLneRiddell: do you know if there is a reason libkorundum0-ruby1.8 installs in /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/ rather than /usr/lib/site_ruby/ ?11:09
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seaLneRiddell: not ofcourse that it really has anything to do wth you but is kinda kde related11:13
zAo^I did a clean install of kubuntu, no my soundserver starts normal, but I have no sound. Anyone who can help? (cs46xx)11:14
seaLneif yu run kmix is it muted?11:15
zAo^no, checked that :)11:15
seaLnethats the normal alsa annoying feature11:15
zAo^I know :)11:15
zAo^thnx seaLne 11:15
zAo^did a agrade to KDE 3.4.2; restart11:17
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zAo^still no sound... what is this :S11:25
seaLnemaybe nobody likes your music :)11:26
zAo^lol :)11:28
zAo^artscontrol shows some nice things11:28
zAo^no sound though11:28
seaLnelaunchpad is the place to report bugs in universe yeah?11:30
seaLnedoes it not list packages only in breezy?11:31
zAo^I had sound in Kubuntu be411:31
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zAo^who can help? 11:41
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RiddellseaLne: because that's what kdebindings picks up as the install directory, I couldn't work out how to fix it12:15
RiddellseaLne: the kderuby man says ruby needs to be configured differently12:15
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seaLneRiddell: is launchpad the correct place to report bugs in breezy universe? libqt0-ruby1.8 isn't listed there12:20
hussamRiddell: was kdeartowrk intentionally not included in hoary's kde 3.4.2 packages?12:21
RiddellseaLne: yes but there's probably lots of missing packages added after they made their package list12:25
Riddellhussam: it due to a change in the seeds between hoary and breezy12:26
Riddellhussam: oh sorry, different issue12:26
seaLneoh and i still can't connect to the torrent tracker12:26
Riddellhussam: it's because kdebase doesn't compile on breezy currently, kdeartwork depends on kdebase so I havn't made any packages yet (there's no differenence in kdeartwork between 3.4.1 and 3.4.2)12:27
RiddellseaLne: could you report the tracker on ubuntu-devel, might get someone listening12:27
seaLneand konq is still 3.4.1 isn't it12:27
seaLneRiddell: k12:27
RiddellseaLne: in breezy yes, kdebase not compiling as I said12:27
hussamRiddell: ok thank you12:28
Riddellany more questions?  I'm about to go out of internet contact for 10 days :)12:28
seaLneooh where you off to?12:28
Riddellworld gathering of young friends12:28
seaLneah, have fun12:28
Riddell5 years in the planning12:28
Riddelllets see if we can find any common ground between the evangelicals, the conservatives and the wishy washy europeans12:29
seaLneheh12:29
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hussamRiddell: hope that goes well.12:32
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martinjh99Any udev experts arounf??12:59
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MisterXwhere I can find "X11 header files (xfree-devel)"? They're missing!01:28
Kamping_Kaiserhi MisterX01:29
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MisterXhi kamping :)01:29
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MisterXI'm actually installing licq and its plugin (qt-gui), and when I 'make' it, i get that missing header error :(01:30
Kamping_Kaiserbuild-essential perhaps? or apt-get build-dep $programYouWantToInstall01:30
MisterXWhat do you mean? I searched using "apt-cache search" but I found nothing. :(01:31
Kamping_Kaiseris what you want any of these? apt-cache search xfree |grep devel01:32
MisterXok, I'll search now01:32
MisterXI couldn't find anything needed :(01:37
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MisterXHmm... I'm going to watch licq official website... maybe I'll able to find something...01:38
Kamping_Kaisergood luck :)01:39
MisterXThanks :)01:39
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raven3x7hi 01:42
MisterXHi raven :)01:43
raven3x7anyone else has had amarok confusing artist names?01:43
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baohello, how can i install RPM files?01:44
baoi am a newbie...01:44
raven3x7a rescan fixes it but it seems to rhappen again after a few hours01:44
raven3x7bao use alien01:45
baoit says "must run as root to convert to deb format (or u may use fakeroot)01:45
baohmmm...01:45
raven3x7bau sudo alien 01:45
raven3x7bao sorry01:46
baook tnx01:46
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luiginohello everyone? sup?....well, I have installed e17 WM + entrance, made defaulting entrance modifying default-display-manager, but still goes into kde...so what's the file that makes kubuntu that says the default is kde so I can change with enlightenment? 01:50
raven3x7er you probably need to change the default kdm entry01:51
luiginoraven3x7: in fact but whats the file where to change the default?...01:51
luiginolike to start the default login manager is the default-display-manager... what's the one for the graphical engine?01:52
baohow do i run programs that i installed using Sudo dpgk -i???01:52
tvobao: depends on the program01:53
baowell, its point2play01:53
luiginobao, is it in the /usr/bin?01:54
baoehm... not easy to see, gonna try01:55
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luiginooh just do cd /usr/bin01:55
baofound it01:55
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luiginogood01:56
luiginothen call it also from your home directory01:56
luiginowith sudo point2play01:56
luiginoand have fun01:56
luigino:)01:56
baotnx, works'01:56
zAo^who helped me with my sound? I found it :)01:56
luigino=) a beer as payment hehe01:56
raven3x7lugino im not very familiar with kdm but you should be able to it from the gui.01:56
luiginooh raven3x7 I tried to look in kcontrol but there's only for the login manager01:57
baoanyway to put a shortcut into the menu luigino??01:58
raven3x7login manager = kdm i believe. also doesn allow you to change the default wm during login?01:58
luiginono in fact :)01:58
luiginothat's why I'm here to ask if someone knows what's the file associated01:59
baohmmm,  ok....01:59
luiginoso I can put an hand and modify manually ;)01:59
raven3x7hmm im using gdm which allows you to do that01:59
luiginoI know gdm allows that...but since I have kubuntu which doesn't have gdm... :-/02:00
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raven3x7http://docs.kde.org/en/3.1/kdebase/kdm02:04
luiginook lets see02:05
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jjessemonring :)02:25
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luiginohiya apokryphos :)02:29
apokryphoshey02:29
apokryphoswoo, amaroK 13 released02:29
apokryphoss/13/1.302:29
luiginoapokryphos: I'm still fighting with kdm ahahah02:31
apokryphosluigino: what's the prob?02:31
luiginoapokryphos: actually I made entrance (the login manager of e17) starting by default but now I'm trying to understand how to start kde with enlightenment 02:32
luiginobecause I want all the settings like sounds etc of kde02:32
apokryphosyou mean, start kde with entrance02:32
luiginommmm sorta.... start kde with enlightenment desktop...02:33
luiginoentrance is already ok02:33
apokryphosuse Enlightenment as the window manager, do you mean?02:33
luiginoyes02:34
luiginoby default02:34
luiginoI was trying to look at kdmrc config file02:34
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phreakyshi02:39
phreakysanyone allready succesfully installed a bootsplash for ubuntu?02:40
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apokryphosok, that's something quite different. I think there's something in the kde faq about that02:41
luiginoapokryphos: maybe around kdmrc conf file?02:41
apokryphosubotu: tell luigino about kdefaq02:42
apokryphosluigino: why? That has nothing to do with kdm...02:42
luiginoah02:42
luiginobut there should be somewhere02:43
luiginoa file where there's the default window manager 02:44
apokryphosluigino: should be what?02:44
luiginoa conf file where I can find the default window manager... like normally it's kde....02:45
apokryphosluigino: normally it's KWin -- that's KDE's window manager. Like I said, I think it tells you what to do in the KDE FAQ02:46
luiginook02:47
luiginolemme see :))))))02:47
nikkiaapokryphos: doesn't startkde explicitly run kwin ?02:48
nikkia(and kdm defaults to using startkde to start a KDE session)02:48
apokryphosnikkia: why would it? That sounds like a bad way to do it02:49
apokryphosthough I've never used anything other than kwin02:49
nikkiaah02:49
nikkiait does, but only if $KDEWM isn't defined02:49
luiginonikkia, maybe that's why exists the kdmrc conf file?02:50
nikkialuigino: no, that exists to configure kdm, nothing more02:50
nikkiaif you want to override a user's KDE window manager, it looks like the answer is to put a shell script that exports KDEMW=/path/to/windowmanager  in ~/.kde/env02:52
nikkiaas startkde sources *.sh from that directory02:52
apokryphos*KDEWM02:53
nikkiayeah, that too02:53
luiginook lemme try man :)02:53
apokryphosdoesn't seem to be in the FAQ... odd; it should be. Might bug canllaith02:53
apokryphosold link: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/02:53
luiginook I'm lookin in that page, apokryphos :)))02:55
luiginothere's just a paragraph: STarting KDE with other window manager02:56
luigino:)02:56
apokryphosIt basically says to do just what nikkia said02:56
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nikkiagah, i hope these workmen outside aren't going to be there much longer02:57
nikkiathey're digging up the pavement outside the neighbouring shop, and each time they use the pneumatic drill, my monitor goes ape, and my head aches02:58
apokryphos:(02:58
luiginonikkia03:05
nikkiayes?03:05
luiginoin the /.kde dir I don't have an env file03:05
apokryphoscreate it03:05
luiginoshall I make one with that KDEWM=....?03:05
luiginook03:05
luiginohold on03:05
luigino:)03:05
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nikkiadirectory, not a file03:05
apokryphosand it's ~/.kde/env/03:06
luiginoah I dont have that dir03:06
apokryphosyes.... so create it 03:06
luiginook03:06
luiginothen in inside I have to create a .profile right?03:06
apokryphosbbiaf03:06
nikkialuigino: no, a file that ends with .sh03:07
nikkiayou can pick any name03:07
luiginoah then startkde will see for that file automatically or somewhere I have to tell startkde to launch that file?03:07
nikkiaand in that file, you need something like   'export KDEWM=/usr/bin/enlightenment'03:08
nikkialuigino: kde automatically 'sources' every .sh file in that directory03:08
luiginoah ok03:08
luiginoperfect03:08
nikkiawell, automatically is perhaps the wrong word, the 'startkde' script does it03:08
nikkiathere is a caveat tho03:09
nikkiaif your .profile or something else modifies KDEHOME to point somewhere other than ~/.kde, then it will look there instead03:09
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luiginooh I created a .profile with export KDEWM=enlightenment03:10
luiginoas the paragraph on da page that apokryphos gave me said03:10
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nikkiaerm, thats just a different way of doing it03:11
luiginook lemme reboot kde03:12
luiginoand lets see if it works03:12
luiginoI'll bbiab 03:12
luiginoand thanks :)))03:12
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zAo^what is a good QT p2p client? Thanks03:16
zzzzzsolthey there03:16
zAo^lo03:17
zzzzzsoltzAo, try valknut03:18
zAo^thnx03:18
zzzzzsoltdo you know anything about installing kdevelop?03:19
zAo^I did once :)03:19
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zzzzzsoltcos at the time it does little more than complain03:21
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zAo^what does it say?03:21
zzzzzsoltkdelibs is too old03:21
zAo^lol. You updated to kde 3.4.2?03:21
zzzzzsolthmm03:21
zzzzzsoltnope03:22
zzzzzsolt3.4.003:22
zAo^try that first. It will update your kdelibs 203:22
zzzzzsoltyea but that's not in the ubuntu debs yet is it?03:23
zAo^True, but there is an unofficial repo for that.03:23
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zzzzzsoltwon't kynaptic and aptget try to uninstall it every time?03:24
zAo^no03:24
zzzzzsoltok03:24
zzzzzsoltwhere's that repo?03:25
radpkubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??03:25
zAo^sorry, donno03:25
zzzzzsoltk np03:25
zzzzzsoltso after i do that03:25
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luiginohiya again03:25
luiginonikkia and apokryphos it worked by half03:26
luiginobecause its a strange behavious03:26
luigino*behaviour03:26
radpkubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??03:26
nikkialuigino: what kind of strange behaviour ?03:26
luiginowhen I type user/pwd it starts the normal kde loading then when it says load desktop manager it fuses kde with enlightenment03:27
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luiginoso now I see for example the desktop 0.0 as normal kde03:27
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luiginobut the terminal is enlightenment03:27
luiginoand if I go in the other desktops its like enlightenment03:27
stagiairhowcome 'kdevelop' isn't listed when I invoke `apt-cache search kdevelop`?03:27
nikkialuigino: yes, what else did you expect?03:27
radpkubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??03:28
nikkialuigino: that is a 'bug' in enlightenment, it can only handle kdestop on the first virtual desktop03:28
luiginothat the desktop was with enlightenment icons and theme :)03:28
luiginoaahhhh03:28
nikkialuigino: then you don't want to change window manager, you want to create a new desktop environment03:28
luiginommmh yea03:29
luiginoin this case where I can tell to create a new desktop environment?03:29
radpkubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??03:30
luiginoradp...did u tried first to google if it has? 03:30
radpluigino yes.. google and the site..03:30
luiginoah ok 03:31
luiginoradp since it's a normal question and the site doesn't say that then maybe for now there isnt a translation 03:31
luiginoand you maybe have to wait a bit or use english version03:31
radpright.. but ubuntu has pt_br translation.. and in the site there is nothing saying about this.. thats why im asking here03:32
luiginoah03:32
zzzzzsoltif ubuntu has pt-br, then kubuntu does too03:33
radpok.. :) tks03:33
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zzzzzsoltkubuntu is ubuntu but with kde not gnome as the default03:33
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zzzzzsoltif i'm not mistaken03:33
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NOVAhi03:34
radpyes.. I know.. but I just wanted to know "rightly" (sorry about the english)03:34
NOVAi have got a big problem with my DVD-burning03:34
zzzzzsoltby the way, i'm having minor problems with charsets03:34
NOVAbeocuse my kernel for kubuntu dont seen in my dmeg03:35
NOVAanyone can helpme03:35
luiginonikkia: there's konstruct application on da kde developer site... do you think that would hop the enlightenment's bug?03:36
zzzzzsoltzAo, thanks for the tip on kde, i got a repo added to sources, it's updating like an angel now03:37
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nikkialuigino: umm, i'm not sure i see how konstruct has any bearing to the issue, to be honest03:37
zzzzzsoltdid anyone have success with mounting ntfs partitions? it used to work with debian testing03:39
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m0hi!03:39
zzzzzsoltbut since root is disabled in ubuntu and the ntfs partition is owned by root and it's read only i can't get to it03:39
luiginooh...as ya know is there alternative way to make a new desktop environment by default with kde's settings like sounds? Because if from entrance I set Enlightenment, it loads enlightenment but without settings03:40
nikkiazzzzzsolt: pass the uid=  option to mount03:40
nikkiazzzzzsolt: and/or pass the umask= option03:40
zzzzzsolthmm thanks03:40
m0aehm.. is the install-radeon-debian script working for kubuntu?03:40
zzzzzsolthaven't heared of that, i'll google it03:41
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ukseonghello for everyone~!!!03:41
m0ok then: is the ATI radeon 9600 supported? i mean with a resolution of 1280x1024 depth of min 24bit and a little 3D support?03:42
zzzzzsoltm0 i installed it using the ati installer03:42
zzzzzsoltit worked ok03:43
zzzzzsoltif not flawlessly03:43
m0hm is that much work because i tried that "installer" about a year ago and it did not work for me03:43
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m0as i know there were no installer... at that time..03:44
zzzzzsoltthere is an executable kind now03:44
m0oh ok great03:44
luiginore apokryphos 03:44
zzzzzsoltit installes the driver and kernel module and control panel03:44
apokryphosluigino: you should just login to enlightenment itself... not use it only as the WM03:45
zzzzzsoltthen you do a fglrxconfig and it should be fine03:45
m0and now: what about .deb packets... are they working with kubuntu?03:45
zzzzzsoltof course03:45
apokryphosm0: ones for ubuntu will obviously work; debian ones may or may not work. Generally not recommended that you use theirs03:46
luiginoapokryphos: yes that would mean I'll have to get some gtk editor and edit the entrance.config_db to make default enlightenment I guess.... but plus if I login to enlightenment is there a way to import kde settings like sounds in it?03:46
m0hmm .. ok but i can still install from surce if there's no ubuntu packet available, right?03:46
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apokryphosluigino: not any easy way I know; why not use KDE? :|03:47
zzzzzsolti used ubuntu debs for debian testing cos at that time debian didn't have an ipw2200 package and it worked fine03:47
apokryphosm0: of course03:47
luiginoapokryphos: cuz I like enlightenment esthetic's look.... ;-)03:47
apokryphosluigino: I wouldn't say that E17 is really properly usable, though... there's a lot to be done there03:48
m0good... so let me think: the file system isn`t very different from debian's is it?03:48
apokryphosluigino: you can very easily alter kde's look to attract your aesthetic appeal ;-)03:48
luigino;-) 03:48
apokryphosm0: they're very similar; ubuntu is debian-based, and every six months it syncs back to give to debian03:48
m0good, and the packets i can get with apt-get.. are they the same as the debian ones?03:49
apokryphosNot the same; Ubuntu uses its own repositories, but it pretty much has all the things Debian ones have, or close enough to it. 03:50
apokryphosBut yes, Ubuntu of course uses the apt package management system03:50
m0great, so i'll try that now... at the moment i have kanotix installed but that is such a mess atm because of all this packet problems with KDE 3.4.2 and so on..03:51
zzzzzsoltit's so close i accidentally left an ubuntu repo in the sources on debian, and did an upgrade. next time i started debian i got a nice ubuntu greeting splash screen03:51
zzzzzsoltbut everything worked fine03:52
apokryphoshehe03:52
m0wow that's cool03:52
apokryphosThere's quite a few stories of people who have gone ubuntu -> debian and visa versa with apt03:52
apokryphosit was easier to do with Warty, but still possible wth Hoary 03:52
m0ok then i'm gone for installing... version 5.04 is the newest, right?03:53
zzzzzsoltno wonder though, i hear many debian developers help ubuntu now03:53
zzzzzsoltyea, 5.0403:53
zzzzzsoltare you thinking about installing ubuntu or kubuntu?03:53
apokryphosIndeed. And some who make the packages for Ubuntu also do it for Debian; they're reasonably tight, but there's still some cold feelings among the debian community toward ubuntu ;-)03:53
zzzzzsolthehe i bet, they stole their manpower :)03:54
m0kubuntu03:54
m0why?03:54
zzzzzsoltjust checking :)03:54
zzzzzsolti used to have gnome on debian, but as soon as i installed kubuntu i became a kde fan03:55
apokryphos=)03:55
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m0^^03:55
zzzzzsoltplus i really want kdevelop, i used to do things for windos with delphi, i want to do that with linux now03:56
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luiginoI'll bbiab04:06
zzzzzsolti got kdevelop i got kdevelop :)04:06
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seaLneanyone here done any ruby/qt stuff?04:17
aseigosome yes =)04:17
seaLnei'm having problems trying to connect slots and signals04:18
seaLneif i just do connect(@cases, SIGNAL('clicked(int)'), self, SLOT('casesPopup()')) i get a method_missing error for connect04:19
seaLnethe tutorial shows just doing connect , the bindings page has Qt::Object.connect but neither seem to work04:19
seaLnethe slot is defined04:20
seaLneaseigo: i'm new to this so its probably something wrong im doing04:20
seaLnethe connect is withing the initialize block and the class is inheriting from KDE::MainWindow04:21
aseigogr. hold on.. i'll brb.. i have to log out and back in.. then i'll see what i can do to help =)04:21
aseigoand btw, #kde-devel can be useful as well.. 04:21
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setiteanyoen know how to get WMP9 to work in firefox.. and w32codecs dont solve it04:27
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phreakyshi04:28
phreakysis there a way to enable full access for a X-user?04:29
seaLnefull access to what?04:32
zAo^how can I change my middle mouse to "go back in history", in Konqueror? Thanks04:34
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aseigozAo^: it's in the web behaviour page of konqueror's settings04:37
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tuxipuxihi04:38
tuxipuxiheh this question is rather offtopic, but i will ask it anyway. what's the chance of getting a beamer to work with the kubuntu live cd on a laptop quickly? ;)04:39
zAo^aseigo: I only can assign that to my 3rd mouse button04:39
aseigozAo^: ah.. is it right click only? oh well =) perhaps try khotkeys then ...04:40
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aseigonikkia: mouse support?04:41
zAo^$ khotkeys04:41
zAo^ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.04:41
zAo^lol :)04:41
nikkiaaseigo: lack of control over what mice buttons DO04:41
seaLnebeing able to just paste urls into anywhere on konq is brilliant04:41
aseigonikkia: ah .. well, if that's the biggest let down ... =)04:41
nikkiaaseigo: and as i understand khotkeys, you can't easily map multiple mice buttons to different events04:41
nikkiaaseigo: put it this way, if i open konq to browse, i get sick of hitting the back button on my mouse LONG before i run into lack of plugins, or shaky rendering :)04:42
seaLnealt+left arrow key04:42
nikkiaafter about the 3rd or 4th hitting the back button and nothing happening, i switch desktops to firefox :)04:42
nikkiaseaLne: i prefer the mouse button, its already under my thumb if i'm browsing04:42
zAo^seaLne: where do I need to change the to?04:43
aseigonikkia: the back button or the mouse buttons?04:43
nikkiaaseigo: the mouse's back button04:43
nikkiaaseigo: 6 button mouse04:43
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zAo^:)04:43
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apokryphos6-button mouses are really more popular now, and becoming more standard (our school had them)04:43
seaLneaseigo: so what should a connect look like?04:43
aseigothe only thing more stupid than software features that are done without thought for integration are hardware features that are done the same04:44
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apokryphosMakes sense that kde should have proper support for them04:44
nikkiaapokryphos: heck, i bought a cheapo mouse from argos the other day for my SO, and its 12 buttons!!04:44
apokryphos:|04:44
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nikkiaaseigo: every other browser supports the back button04:44
seaLnenikkia: thats just excessive04:44
seaLnemaybe it was a keyboard with a trackball on it and not a mouse? :)04:44
aseigoseaLne: can you paste your connect line again for me? sorry =)04:44
seaLneconnect(@cases, SIGNAL('clicked(int)'), self, SLOT('casesPopup()'))04:45
aseigonikkia: if X can see it, you should be able to use khotkeys with it04:45
zAo^any idea how to change it? I only can set guestues or keyboard input04:45
aseigoseaLne: aaah.. no, it is:04:45
nikkiaseaLne: heh, no, normal 7 buttons for a 'web' mouse, plus prev-app, next-app, page-up, page-down, and 'context' *shrug*04:45
apokryphosMy KHotKeys still doesn't work in Konq, even with breezy04:45
apokryphosaseigo: does khotkeys launch for you? (in Kubuntu)04:46
aseigoQt::Object.connect @case, SIGNAL("clicked(int)"), self, SLOT("casesPopup()")04:46
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aseigoconnect isn't used like a method with ()04:46
aseigoapokryphos: dunno. am on my suse laptop atm and am not near the kubuntu boxes to try04:46
nikkiaaseigo: its probably equivalent04:46
apokryphosok04:46
seaLneaseigo: hmm i still get `method_missing': undefined method `connect' for Qt::Object:Class (NoMethodError) even with that04:47
nikkiaaseigo: ruby allows you to omit ()s if there is no precident issues04:47
nikkiaaseigo: so 'blah a' and 'blah(a)' are equivalent04:47
aseigoseaLne: hrm. and of course you've require'd Korundum in yoru script, right?04:47
seaLneyep04:47
seaLnethe slot is defined earlier04:48
zAo^well, lets buy a new mouse :)04:48
aseigoseaLne: are other Qt:: calls working for you?04:48
seaLneaseigo: a good point not entirely sure it is working completly in breezy but i have a Qt::Splitter which works fine04:49
aseigohm.. ok.. then you have Qt bindings available to you ... very odd ... and you are using the latest version of Korundum?04:50
seaLnethe one in breezy04:50
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seaLnehmm yeah its not very descriptive but claims to be 3.4.204:51
aseigoseaLne: if you want to send me your script, i can see if it works here04:51
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jpowersare there known issues with kde 3.4.2's kwallet and/or certificate handling?  I had to disable my secure pop link b/c the certificate was bad and it didn't seem to want to accept it forever.04:57
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m0hey guys what is the standard root password?05:00
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apokryphos!root05:01
ubotuwell, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo05:01
m0does nomoby know what the root password after the installation is?05:01
m0kk sry05:01
apokryphosnp05:02
sproingieroot has no password after install05:02
sproingieit's not hidden, it can't log in at all05:02
m0ok but how can i get root provileges at the konsole then?05:02
sproingie!sudo05:02
ubotumethinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo05:02
m0can't i just enable that root account?05:03
sproingieyou can.  you'll have to use sudo at least once to do it.05:03
sproingiesudo -i will give you the equivalent of a root login shell05:03
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m0ok.. i like it more with a root account... why is it disabled here?05:05
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jpowersm0: why do you really need a root account?05:06
m0and why is that thing not creating fstab entrys?05:06
m0because i'm used to it05:06
jpowersm0: I'm used to running windows as administrator, but that doesn't make it good or safe.05:06
m0i know i don't use linux with the root account but i'm used to log into konsole with root when i do my apt-get or administration, that's why05:07
jpowersI enabled root before I understood why it was done this way.05:09
jpowersnow I kinda wish I could go back.05:09
nikkiajpowers: i went thru that, on OSX 05:09
nikkiajpowers: you can05:09
jpowersoh05:09
jpowerssweet05:09
nikkiasudo passwd -d05:09
nikkiaactually, forget that05:10
jpowersit's that easy?05:10
jpowershaha05:10
nikkiano :/05:10
aseigoseaLne: heehehehe05:10
aseigoseaLne: QListViewItem isn't a QObject05:10
aseigoseaLne: Qt::Object.connect @tree, SIGNAL("clicked(int)"), self, SLOT("casesPopup()")05:11
aseigoseaLne: and voila!05:11
nikkiajpowers: i thoguht there was a way to force a 'non-usable' password with passwd, thought it was -d (delete) but that sets a blank passwd :/05:11
jpowersoooh05:11
jpowersyeah05:11
jpowersdon't want to do that05:11
nikkiajpowers, sudo vi /etc/shadow    then change root's password entry to ! would work05:12
seaLneaseigo: ahh :) but how do i narrow it down to a specific item then? i was wanting to popup a menu when you right click on it05:12
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aseigoseaLne: use QListView's clicked(QListViewItem*) signal05:13
nikkiajpowers: aha!05:13
nikkiajpowers: i knew there was an option...05:13
nikkiasudo passwd -l05:14
aseigoseaLne: and yeah, #kde-devel is often better for these questions as Riddell and i arent' always around here =)05:14
jpowersoh05:14
nikkia(lock account)05:14
jpowersthanks, nikkia 05:14
seaLneaseigo: cool i'll look at that, thanks, i was a bit nervous about asking newbie questions in kde-devel05:14
aseigoseaLne: that's what it's there for05:14
seaLnek05:14
nikkiajpowers: scarily, doing that stores the old password somewhere o_O05:14
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jpowersyikes05:15
jpowersok05:15
nikkiajpowers: since you can undo the -l by doing passwd -u05:15
jpowersI'll do the /etc/shadow thing instead05:15
nikkiajpowers: my guess is, it simply puts ! at the start of the shadow passwd entry, making it un-cryptable, then -u removes the !05:15
nikkiaor it might use #, but all my locked accounts seem to be !05:15
jpowersah05:16
nikkiaindeed, thats exactly what it does :P05:16
nikkiaroot:!$1$0Ze0G8 ....05:16
nikkiaand after -u :  root:$1$0Ze0G8 ....05:17
nikkiajpowers, sudo passwd -d root ; sudo passwd -l root     would probably restore the root password to the default [k] ubuntu state, i think05:18
nikkiaie, set an empty password, then dump ! on the start05:18
jpowersinteresting05:18
jpowersthanks, nikkia 05:19
nikkiathankfully, i didn't lose use of sudo during any of that messing about :)05:19
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jk-hi all05:19
jk-what's the "kubuntu way" of loading an iptables configuration at boot ?05:20
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luiginohello again all....05:21
nikkiajk, no idea, i can't even see a startup for iptables in my /etc05:21
nikkiajk, at least, on my kubuntu machine05:21
jk-nikkia: no, me either :(05:21
luiginoas you know, where I can get the edb_gtk_ed tool?05:21
nikkiahere on my desktop, i have a hacked together iptables in /etc/init.d that just does iptables-save   on stop   and iptables-restore on start05:21
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nikkia(and does the ip6tables equivalents too, naturally)05:22
jk-nikkia: yeah, i've done the same on my (debian) laptop05:22
nikkiajk, i'd just copy that over then05:22
jk-ok, thanks anyhow :)05:22
m0aehm isn't there amule for apt-get??05:23
apokryphos!info amule05:24
ubotuamule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc7-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1992 kB, Installed size: 5888 kB05:24
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nikkiaapokryphos: have you seen the news today, btw?05:24
apokryphosnikkia: nope, was gonna wait to see at work. What's up?05:25
nikkiaapokryphos: you know that cyprus airplane crash the other day? its getting more and more bizarre05:25
CellarDoorhi all05:25
apokryphosyeah05:25
nikkiaapokryphos: they've concluded that the victims were dead 'long before' the crash05:25
apokryphosOo, what's happening?05:25
apokryphos:|05:25
m0why does it say: E: Couldn't find package amule05:25
apokryphosnikkia: Any news on how the pilots seemed to go unconscious *before* the passengers though they were dropping? That's what happened, they were saying :|05:26
nikkia'the bodies were frozen solid, and show signs that the explosion from the crash thawed them slightly'05:26
CellarDoorooer05:26
apokryphosm0: you don't have "Universe" repository enabled. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line with "Universe" in it05:26
m0ok thx05:26
apokryphosnikkia: very weird05:26
nikkiaapokryphos: some very serious twilighty one stuff there, IMO05:27
apokryphosnikkia: but they're not putting it down to terrorism at all... no signs.05:27
apokryphosIndeed. Fishy.05:27
nikkias/one/zone/05:27
CellarDoornikkia thats the strangest thing I've heard in a while05:27
nikkiaCellarDoor: yeah, reminds me of 'Millenium' for some reason05:27
nikkia(the film)05:27
CellarDoorah haven't seen that05:27
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nikkiaCellarDoor: its about time travellers from the future, that start travelling to our time, and pulling people off (about to) plane crashes05:28
CellarDoorspeaking of wierdness... I just tried Mepis05:28
nikkiaCellarDoor: their future is underpopulated, and they figure we won't miss people that were going to die anyway05:28
luiginono one knows what's the gtk package that contains the edb_gtk_ed tool? :)05:28
CellarDoornikkia: ah rite05:29
CellarDoorThis is what I posted to someone in another channel concerning my first impressions Mepis:05:30
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CellarDoorMepis started up ok... KDE 3.3 looks old now but nevermind... First thing: No eth0... dunno why but I had to go into the Mepis Control thingy to turn it on and even then it kept going off again... wierd. And KDE 3.3 looks uh... old. Anti aliasing was on Mepis which was good (As I can't seem to get it to turn on in kubuntu). Wasn't wrapped with the standard app selections but thats not important. The worst thing was when I went05:31
CellarDoore of times... nothing. I thought, uh oh this looks bad. After I killed it at the power switch I was able to boot back into my familiar kubuntu desktop again... phew !05:31
apokryphosnikkia: 48 children :(05:31
apokryphos(at least)05:31
troglodyt21 kids05:33
apokryphostroglodyt: 21 more?05:33
troglodyt21 kids total05:33
apokryphosNo. Apparently 48 were children heading for Prague05:33
apokryphoshttp://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/15/news/crash.php05:33
troglodytah OK.. i just read a cnn report on it... they said one source we saysing 48 kids, but they had 3 other sources saying 20 or 2105:34
nikkiaapokryphos: oddly, the BBC says '17'05:36
apokryphosJust reading that now05:37
apokryphosit also mentions that the name of all the persons (list) has been given out...05:37
luiginoapokryphos and nikkia, do ya know maybe which gtk package contains the edb_gtk_ed tool? 05:38
nikkialuigino: not a clue05:38
apokryphosnope05:38
luiginook thx :)05:38
apokryphosnikkia: can you think of any possible explanation for bodies being frozen?05:40
apokryphosmaybe the ventilation system completely mucked up. But I still find that odd; a guy was saying that it had at least 4 ventilation systems...05:41
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troglodytat 36,000 ft it's -5005:41
hussamHow much time would it take to compile kernel on a P3 with 384MB ram? appoximately05:42
nikkiaapokryphos: not really05:42
CellarDoorPeople pass out quiclky at high altitudes and freeze quickly too05:42
apokryphostroglodyt: woah05:42
apokryphoswhat exactly could fighter jets do? I guess check whether it should be shot down or not :|05:42
CellarDoorThey're still trying to figure out exactly what happened05:42
nikkiaapokryphos: i suspect they were fearing a 9/11 style hijack05:43
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nikkiaapokryphos: not like there's a great number of high profile targets in greece that they'd bother crashing a plane into...  the acropolis i guess, but thats material damage, not much for terrorists to gain, really05:44
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apokryphosI think it would be the last country on the list, and there's no big "rebels" I know against the acropolis05:45
nikkia'and also, today, muslim fundamentalists crashed an aircraft and killed 10 mountain goats' isn't much of of a attention grabber :P05:45
apokryphosthough it is perhaps one of the greatest architectural achievements in europe ;-)05:45
apokryphosThat's been ruled out, I'm sure. All but 11 were Cypriots, says the article (though not entirely sure what to believe). And chance of one of those being muslim is slim, especially in Cyprus/going to Greece05:46
apokryphosre: acropolis... it's in a state already. All ugly scafolding etc :|05:47
nikkiaapokryphos: oh yeah, doesn't look like terrorism, i was just meaning why the F16s were scrambled... 05:47
apokryphossure05:47
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nikkiahmmm, i suppose it was nearly an hour before the F16s met the plane05:49
nikkiaso freezing solid IS possible in that time05:49
nikkia(and 1hr40ish before it crashed)05:50
apokryphosthere's just been so many "big issues" in the news lately. One after another, repeatedly05:50
nikkiaactually, more than that05:50
hussamnikkia: when you were on Kubuntu,did you compile your own kernel?05:50
nikkiahussam: i tried05:50
nikkiahussam: it wasn't easy, because kubuntu's mkinitrd is bugged :P05:51
nikkiahussam: i also had problems that the kernel i DID get working, wasn't very reliable, i don't know why (same sources i'm using now, so the kernel itself is fine)05:51
hussamnikkia: if it does work, it won't replace the old one, just add another kernel to menu.lst right?05:53
nikkiahussam: depends on how you compile it05:53
nikkiahussam: if you give it a different release number, you should be alright, otherwise you have to be careful about overwriting /lib/modules/05:54
hussamnikkia: I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=5683505:54
nikkiayeah, that should be ok, should just add a new menu item, and leave your old modules alone05:55
nikkiabe aware, that doing that, you will be lacking quite a few drivers that aren't in the kernel, that kubuntu installs05:55
hussamnikkia: will NVIDIA kernel module build, if my source is an unpatched tarball from kernel.org?05:56
nikkiahussam: yeah05:56
nikkiahussam: nvidia's driver isn't all that picky about the kernel anyway05:56
dionysusjust out of curiousity, are there any huge differences between using ubuntu post-'apt-get install kde kdebase kde....etc' and kubuntu?05:57
CellarDoordionysus, opinions seem to be divided on that one05:58
dionysusheh05:58
hussamnikkia: and it is possible to have a kernel 2.6.12.4 without affecting the installed 2.6.10 in any way as long as I give different release numbers, right?05:58
nikkiaby default, you'll be fine with those 2 anyway05:59
apokryphosdionysus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will get you all the necessary things that come with kubuntu05:59
nikkiahussam: its only when you have say, kubuntu's 2.6.10 and your own 2.6.10 that you start to run into potential problems05:59
nikkiaand that's why the guide uses '--custom' appended to the kernel name05:59
hussamnikkia: Ok I understand that.06:00
nikkiaerm, -custom, rather06:00
dionysusah k cool ty apokryphos :)06:00
nikkiahussam: i'd follow that guide's advice anyway, ie, build a '-custom' kernel06:00
nikkiahussam, that way, if there is an ubuntu 2.6.12.4 release, you stand less chance of clashing06:00
CellarDoorooh06:01
nikkiahussam: as i said though, i found 2.6.12.3 to be very unreliable under kubuntu, i don't know why, you might be alright, but i had kernel panics, freezes, the whole lot06:01
CellarDoorI did an apt-get upgrade and I seem to be getting 3.4.2 packages... goodo !06:01
apokryphosCellarDoor: you must have added the 3.4.2 repository, yup06:02
CellarDoorah I thought I did, but it didn't seem to be working before06:02
CellarDoorguess it is now :P06:02
hussamnikkia: I guess that's why it's good we can have more than one kernel installed.06:02
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nikkiahussam: the great thing about grub, is that you don't need a menu item for each one, either06:03
hussamnikkia: one for productivity and one for testing :)06:03
nikkiahussam: you can boot an 'old stable' kernel from grub just by using the command line, and keep your menu relatively clean06:03
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CellarDoorhmm how do I know I've got 3.4.2 ?06:04
apokryphosCellarDoor: kde-config --version06:04
CellarDoorah thanks apokryphos 06:04
nikkiai don't normally add a grub menu item for a new kernel until i'm sure it works, too, that way, if it falls over in the middle of the night in the first day or two, it will boot back in the stable 'known good' kernel06:04
apokryphosor Help -> About in any kde app06:04
CellarDoorQt: 3.3.306:05
CellarDoorKDE: 3.4.206:05
CellarDoorkde-config: 1.006:05
CellarDooryes :D06:05
CellarDoorapokryphos: apps are still saying 3.4.0, I'm supposing I might need to log out and back in again for that to change ?06:06
apokryphosCellarDoor: what apps?06:06
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CellarDoorKonqueror is saying that its version 3.4.2 but that KDE is 3.4.0 still06:06
apokryphosYou should always relogin after a KDE upgrade.. if you haven't done that already06:07
CellarDoorah thought so06:07
CellarDoorbrb06:07
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CellarDooryes06:09
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CellarDoorits all good06:09
CellarDoor:)06:09
hussamnikkia: on #NVIDIA, they told me that the kernel tarball does have the headers to compile the driver module06:10
nikkiahussam, did i say it didn't ?06:10
nikkiahussam, you asked if it'd work, i said 'yes'  :)06:10
CellarDoorNow I wonder if Konqueror will stop crashing 06:10
nikkiahussam, all the nvidia installer cares about, is /lib/modules/$VERSION/build being setup right, and that is done as part of the build process06:10
hussamnikkia : oh sorry, I meant they said, if did not have the headers06:11
hussamnikkia : did not*06:11
nikkiahussam, they're liars, or stupid, one or the other06:11
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nikkiahussam, given that the kernel headers are part of, and required to build, the kernel, it wouldn't make much sense for them NOT to be included in the kernel tarball06:12
hussamnikkia: yeah I agree with you. I was just surprised when someone in #NVIDIA told me the kernel tarball didn't have the headers. they are probably mistaken06:17
nikkiahussam, they're very much mistaken:  '41M     /usr/src/linux-2.6.12.3/include/'06:18
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dionysushussam, the only person in #nvidia who said anything was me, and I said I didn't know as I tend to use kernel-source (or linux-source as it seems to be now) packages rather than kernel.org kernels06:20
dionysusanyone using a nforce4-based motherboard able to tell me if the amd74xx.ko module is what i should be irritated at for not giving me my sweet DMA or should I be looking for something else for that?06:22
nikkiadionysus: its the most likely culprit06:23
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Wizzardppl, where can I find the newest dcgui for Kubuntu? 06:24
hussamOk nikkia, dionysus, thanks guys, I gotta go now :)06:24
dionysushmm....had hoped it was only for the older nforce boards (google seems to turn it up in reference to nforce2 chipsets more than anything else)....ah well :/06:25
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nikkiadionysus: it does seem to be mostly nForce/2/306:26
dionysusWizzard, 0.80 is in universe, anything newer I guess you'd have to look at apt-get.org or compiling from source06:26
nikkiabut it lists MCP04 too, which i think is the nForce 406:26
_ubuntuIf I install KDE on ubuntu, how do I do the switch session thing?06:27
Wizzardthx, dionysus06:27
apokryphos_ubuntu: once you log out just select a different Session06:27
deanmicrosoft lost her shame>> news.com.com/Microsoft,+Apple+in+iPod+patent+tussle/2100-1047_3-5830435.html?tag=nefd.pop06:28
_ubuntuapokryphos: where do I do that?06:28
nikkiaactually, it looks like MCP04 is nForce 5, nForce 4 is CK804, also handled by the amd74xx module06:28
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_ubuntuapokryphos: its on the login page?06:28
apokryphos_ubuntu: in the login page, buttom-left06:28
Tm_lago/06:29
dionysusnikkia, ah k cool....so I do have the right module running, its just deciding to play silly buggers on me......heh well ty for the help :)06:29
apokryphoss/buttom/bottom06:29
nikkiadionysus: might be worth turning on debugging, and seeing what gets printed by the module on load06:29
dionysusnikkia, cool, will give that a go, dmesg sure isn't giving me anything :(06:30
dionysusnikkia, ty again :)06:30
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_ubuntuapokryphos, thanks06:30
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Eremithi06:34
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Eremitcan someone help me with my first kubuntu installation?06:35
Eremitperhaps in german?06:35
OculusAquilaeEremit: german channel is #kubuntu-de06:35
Eremitoh. ok.06:36
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wincidehi all, do someone use tomcat ??07:01
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wincidei don't know how to test if a local-tomcat is running07:01
CellarDooranyone else updated to KDE 3.4.2 here ?07:02
CellarDoorCause I have a question 07:02
CellarDoorWhere did the Control Centre go ?07:03
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osfameronevenin'07:03
CellarDoorevenin'07:03
osfameronI just tried to install Kontact on ubuntu (not kubuntu, but apokryphos pointed me in this direction)07:04
osfameronand get "Cannot load part for mail: Library files for "libkmailpart.la" not found in paths"07:04
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osfameronhello :-)07:04
CellarDoorah rite07:05
osfamerondidn't work with KDE 342 rep added either07:05
apokryphososfameron: you upgraded your kde already?07:05
osfameronapokryphos, um, well I asked it to reinstall Kontact07:06
osfameronand was hoping that the package magicment would just do the right thing07:06
osfameron:-)07:06
apokryphosShould probably be ok; what's the error again?07:06
apokryphosand you did of course restart Kontact, right?07:06
osfameron"Cannot load part for mail: Library files for "libkmailpart.la" not found in paths"07:06
osfameronyup I killed the old one before the install07:07
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osfameron(actually, while the files were downloading, which I *think* amounts to the same thing)07:07
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apokryphosas long as you restarted it once it was installing properly, no, it's fine07:07
osfameronheh, I'm enjoying the no reboots part of linux :-)07:08
apokryphosyou don't have libkmailpart.la in  /usr/lib/kde3?07:08
osfamerondoesn't look like it07:08
osfameronnope07:09
osfameronthere's a whole load of other lib*.la and .so in there but not that one07:09
apokryphososfameron: can you try closing kontact, doing a sudo apt-get remove --purge kmail   and then reinstalling just kmail?07:10
apokryphosthat la should come with kmail.. no idea why you don't have it :|07:10
osfameroncool, I'll try that07:10
CellarDoorControl Centre is gone from the K menu07:10
CellarDoorIs that supposed to happen ?07:11
osfameronapokryphos, "Package kmail is not installed, so not removed"07:11
osfameronwhich would explain a lot07:11
CellarDoorhah07:11
apokryphososfameron: :)07:11
apokryphososfameron: I guess Kontact on Ubuntu doesn't bring it in...07:11
apokryphososfameron: sudo apt-get install kdepim07:11
Rogue_Jedi_XHey. Could I ask for a little help regarding some broken packages?07:11
apokryphosthat will bring in all the things that integrates with kontact07:11
osfameronah, I installed Kontact not kdepim (using synaptic, but that shouldn't make the difference)07:12
apokryphosah, so I see; kontact pack just recommends those others, doesn't depend. 07:12
CellarDoorThe System Icon has a little kubuntu symbol on the monitor now... nice touch07:12
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osfameronapokryphos, thanks - I'll try installing kdepim now :-)07:13
apokryphosCellarDoor: I think the System Menu now is used... not sure of the defaults though, and I don't use kmenu at all 8)07:13
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Rogue_Jedi_XAnyone?07:14
apokryphosright-click -> Panel Menu -> Add to Panel -> Special Button -> System .... if you don't have it07:14
apokryphosRogue_Jedi_X: you don't need to ever ask to ask, really :)07:14
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Rogue_Jedi_XOh, okay then07:15
CellarDoorapokryphos: hmm I thought thats what they might have intended... ok, thanks... having Control Centre back in there will put me back in my comfort zone ;P07:15
Rogue_Jedi_XI'm trying to install globulation2 via backports and I get this07:15
Rogue_Jedi_XThe following packages have unmet dependencies:07:15
Rogue_Jedi_X  glob2: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed07:15
Rogue_Jedi_XE: Broken packages07:15
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apokryphosRogue_Jedi_X: you using the official backports? You don't have the old backport repo, do you?07:17
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Rogue_Jedi_XThere are two? The one I have is deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted07:18
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apokryphosThat's not backports, really; that's hoary-extras07:18
apokryphosdespite the URL ;-)07:18
Rogue_Jedi_XWhoops07:19
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Rogue_Jedi_X!backports07:19
ubotubackports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section07:19
Rogue_Jedi_Xhm, I think I got it now. Thanks for clearing that up07:21
apokryphosif the package is genuinely broken, you might like to report it. Though, this is the #kubuntu channel, and that doesn't sound liek a kde app ;-)07:21
apokryphos(not to bugzilla, though)07:21
osfameronapokryphos, ta, that now has a whole load more stuff to play with :-)07:22
Rogue_Jedi_XIt's a RTS game. Not sure if it's KDE or Gnome, though. I think it might be just X07:22
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wincidedoes exist a qt version of firefox ????07:45
wincidei have a lot of problems with flash and konqueror07:45
wincidesometimes can't show the text07:46
Dhraakellianyes, there does, but only development versions, afaik07:46
Dhraakellianand they're not terribly stable07:46
wincideand mozilla browser needs gtk ???07:46
Dhraakellianon linux, yes07:47
wincidenot firefox07:47
DhraakellianXUL on linux uses gtk07:47
wincideXUL???07:47
CellarDoorDoes anyone know if and how to get the ubuntu update manager to work in KDE ? Does it dock in the systray ? I installed it but it doesn't start up even from the K menu07:48
Dhraakellianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL07:49
CellarDoorooh07:50
CellarDoorwait a sec07:50
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Dhraakellianwell, so maybe I misspoke slightly07:50
CellarDoorhmm the thing wont start up07:50
Dhraakellianbut yeah, Mozilla stuff uses gtk on linux07:50
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CellarDoorI just get the hourglass treatment07:51
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wincide*hit , i need a browser07:51
wincidebut not konqueror 07:51
wincideflash doesn't go well on konqueror07:51
apokryphosWorks fine here07:51
Dhraakellianthere's Opera, if you can't stand Firefox with gtk07:51
apokryphosthen again, so does my flash in FF.07:51
luiginoanyone here knows what should mean this :0. in this log message: Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Opened PAM session. luigino : :0. ?07:52
Dhraakellianopera uses Qt, not that you'd notice it, what with the theming07:52
Tm_lagOpera sucks07:52
apokryphosTm_lag: :-O07:52
Dhraakellianand it's not F/OSS, if you care about such things07:52
CellarDoorwas that Opera or Oprah ?07:52
CellarDoor;)07:52
Tm_lag=)07:52
DhraakellianCellarDoor, I don't think Oprah is F/OSS either07:53
wincidei don't want gtk :(07:53
CellarDoorhahaha07:53
Tm_lagyes, that's the one07:53
Dhraakellianwincide, having to install gtk isn't so bad07:53
Dhraakellianwhat gets me is the gnome deps in kubuntu07:53
apokryphosTm_lag: what's bad about Opera?07:53
wincideit's installing more packagers to do the same :\07:53
Tm_lagjust don't like it07:53
wincide*packages07:53
apokryphosDhraakellian: yeah; little incosiderate ;-)07:54
Dhraakellian(and the fact that the file dialog in the ubuntu build of Firefox is just plain annoying)07:54
Tm_lagway it works, handle cookies and stuff etc07:54
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apokryphosOpera for Windows here; smooth/slick.07:55
Dhraakellianwhile firefox on linux doesn't quite give me the same dirty feeling that IE on windows gives me, I still don't like it07:55
Tm_lag:/07:55
apokryphossomeone did a video comparison of the Gnome/KDE Open File.. dialog... very funny07:55
Tm_lagI use Firefox mostly07:55
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Tm_lagI remember07:56
Tm_lagnow :/07:56
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nikkia:/07:56
nikkiathankfully, it'll only be a 20 minute boot, flash, reboot07:56
Dhraakellianapokryphos, I booted up to my windows partition just before I installed kubuntu07:56
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nikkiawell, 'flash' isn't the right word07:56
Dhraakellianbut that was just so that I could make sure that the installation still worked07:56
Tm_lagI have to use windows to get irc07:56
Dhraakellianafter scaling the partition down from 30GB to 10B07:56
nikkiabut the only reason i need to run windows tomorrow is to disable RPC2 on a new DVD+RW07:56
Dhraakellianthe only time I actually use Windows is when I'm on campus07:57
Tm_lag(yes, I can irc with my phone but it's painful)07:57
Dhraakellianif those computers could boot from CD, I'd be using a liveCD07:57
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jeffm_hey guys07:57
nikkiaTm_lag: there ARE irc clients for linux, you know :P07:57
jeffm_lol07:57
jeffm_im having wireless network troubles07:57
Tm_lageh07:58
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Tm_lagbut no drivers for my data cable07:58
Dhraakellianxchat, konversation, irssi, etc07:58
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apokryphosd'oh, they deleted it from the drive07:58
jeffm_my wireless lan card shows up on the computer, but i cant connect to any networks07:59
Tm_laghaha07:59
Tm_lagfucking gprs07:59
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DhraakellianXiRCON?07:59
nikkiatm, buy a better phone :P07:59
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Tm_lagyup07:59
Dhraakellianwhat's that?07:59
Tm_lagnikkia this IS better phone07:59
nikkiatm, clearly not08:00
nikkiatm, i can get online with mine just fine using either the data cable OR bluetooth08:00
jeffm_does anyone have experience with wireless networking?08:00
Tm_lagcx70 as my modem08:00
Tm_lagsiemens it is08:00
nikkiatm, and i get ~300-400Kbps from it when i do :P08:00
nikkia(which is really great knowing i can rack up a massive phone bill in mere seconds :)08:01
jeffm_ping google.com08:01
Tm_lagnikkia well, it's all about usb cable emulating com, normal com cable works fine in linux08:01
nikkiaTm_lag: no, mine is with a USB cable too08:02
Tm_lageh08:02
Tm_lag=)08:02
nikkiaTm_lag: it appears as a standard USB serial port08:02
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Tm_lagyay08:02
Tm_lagnice08:02
nikkiait appears as /dev/ttyUSB0 or something08:02
nikkiaits more fun using rfcomm tho08:02
Tm_lagmaybe it's just me with no skills then ;)08:02
nikkiaperhaps :P08:03
jeffm_google.com08:03
Tm_lagjeffm_ we got it already thank you ;)08:03
Tm_lagDhra: xircon is one of the newest irc clients =)08:04
Dhraakellianlink?08:05
Tm_lagwww.xircon.com/08:05
nikkiagod, i remember when xircon was all there was for GUI irc on linux08:05
Tm_lag=)08:05
nikkiatm, stop being evil08:05
Tm_lagyup, that's the one08:05
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nikkiaTk/Tcl junk :P08:05
Tm_lagbeautiful and all ] ;=08:05
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nikkiatm, don't make me kick you!08:05
Tm_lag=)08:06
nikkiatm, in fairness... the 'whiteboard' feature was/is nice08:06
Tm_laguhm08:06
nikkiareally really annoys non xircon users in a channel tho08:06
Tm_lagwhiteboard?08:06
nikkiatm, xircon has a whiteboard, it opens a drawing window, and anything you draw there is sent to everyone on the same channel(s) as you via ctcp08:07
Tm_lagah08:07
nikkialikewise, if another xircon users in the same channel draws on the whiteboard, it appears on yours08:07
nikkias/users/user/08:07
nikkiaof course, being Tk based, its an UGLY whiteboard, but still08:07
Tm_lag=)08:07
Tm_lagbah! I download irssi to windows and use it08:08
Tm_lagI hate gui clients08:09
luiginonikkia may I ask you if this log message: "Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Replacing Entrance with simple login program to wait for session end. " would mean Entrance wont really start the environment I choose but starts the kdm then starts kde?08:10
nikkialuigino: no idea, never used 'entrance'08:11
DhraakellianTm_lag, why would you need windows for irssi?08:11
luiginook08:11
luiginothanks anyway nikkia :)08:12
Tm_lagdhraakellian I don't as soon as I get gprs working in linux, but until...08:12
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Dhraakellianah08:13
Tm_lagdoh08:15
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Tm_lagI hate my life08:22
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ValheruLordhi all.... i have installed kubuntu but i cannot connect to internet with my ethernet connection.. my eth card is ok but when i start dhclient it receves nothing from modem08:26
ValheruLordcan anyone that has ideas08:27
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ynsI'm having the same problem :)08:28
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ValheruLordcan ubuntu device database establish my connection automatically08:28
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Tm_laggood enough, ChatZilla08:36
jake1i am so confused08:38
jake1why is it that i respond to the ! character08:38
jake1what the hell is happening08:38
jake1!08:38
ubotuparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jake108:38
jake1!08:39
jake1!jake108:39
ubotujake1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about08:39
jake1!info08:39
Tm_lag!weather08:39
jake1no response08:39
jake1someone says i respond to the bot character08:39
jake1but i don't08:40
jake1i already got banned from #ubuntu 08:40
jake1but i dnt see anything happening08:40
Tm_lag=)08:40
jake1Tm_lag do you notice anything?08:41
jake1cuz i dnt08:41
jake1and i have no clue what anyone is talking about08:41
Tm_lag=)08:41
Tm_lagmuha08:41
jake1ummmm08:41
jake1ok....08:42
jake1is that a yes or no08:42
jake1?08:42
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deindehello pax, need help with fat32, big problem08:55
deindeanyone can help me with ubuntu crash reading file on fat32 partition?08:57
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deindeis there anyone?09:02
Tm_lag:o09:02
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phreakyshi09:02
Tm_lagno! don't talk to me!09:03
phreakys:)09:03
phreakysis there a way i can check easily whats running on what port?09:03
phreakys80 seems to be blocked :/09:03
deindehello Tm_lag can u help me with problems with fat32 problem?09:03
Tm_lag...09:03
Tm_lagdid I said something? ] ;=09:04
deinde....:-(09:04
Tm_laghmm, so tell me, maybe I can help09:05
deindethank u TM_lag, when I read a file under the fat32 partition the system stop, and I can't do anything09:05
Tm_laguh09:06
Tm_lagnice09:06
deindethanks!09:07
deindeI make only nice errors!09:07
deinde;-P09:07
Tm_lagso, system stops... the partition is in the very same HD than your root partition?09:08
deindephisically yes09:08
Tm_laghmm09:09
Tm_lagany possibility to have broken partition?09:09
deindehow can I get it?09:10
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phreakysi dont understand...something is fucking on port 80 :/09:11
phreakysand its not apache :"(09:11
phreakyssomeone can shine a light on this?09:12
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deindesilly question?09:13
phreakysyea, i guess :/09:13
phreakysi just need a tool that shows me whats going on, on my ports09:14
phreakysyou know a good one deinde?09:14
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deindetell me09:14
deindebut silly was for me09:14
phreakysow, ah09:14
deindefor my question to TM_lag09:15
phreakysah well...no question is silly09:15
deindehave u got any idea for my problem? 09:15
phreakysyou are using windows?09:16
bufalo73phreakys, nmap and top?09:16
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phreakyscool, tnx bufalo09:16
deindeI have dual boot, I'm under ubuntu and when I try to read the fat32 partition all stop09:17
deindeTm: are u still there?09:17
phreakyswindows stops?09:17
Tm_lagdeinde oh yes09:17
deindephreakys: no ubuntu09:18
Tm_laghmm hmm09:18
deindeTm_lag: any idea to discover if partition are broken? (I never had problems with winxp)09:18
phreakyshm, kill windows and try wine? :/09:19
Tm_lag=)09:19
Tm_lagkill all and die?09:19
phreakyslol09:19
bufalo73deinde, fsck09:20
phreakysyea, something like that09:20
phreakyskamikaze09:20
deindebufalo73: it asks me about sever filesystem damage...09:21
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Tm_lag:o09:21
Tm_lag=)09:21
Tm_lagxD09:21
bufalo73fisical or just logical?09:21
Tm_laghmm09:22
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deindephreakys: I want to leave definetively win, but I need to check linux before09:22
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phreakysyea, go kubuntu09:22
phreakysmake a backup of what you can save, and kill windows09:22
deindebufalo73: before starting, it's a beginning questio: 'are u sure....?'09:22
Tm_lagwfw3.11 \o/09:23
deindephreakys: I can't actually, the computer is used by other people that need easy use...09:23
bufalo73deinde, fsck always asks "r u sure" because it can f*ck the filesystem09:23
phreakyswell, kubuntu is easy use09:23
phreakysive installed all stuff and shit i could find to make it feel like windows for now09:24
deindephreakys: at the end I will try your solution..:-)09:24
Tm_lag!09:24
ubotuTm_lag: Bugger all, i dunno09:24
phreakysk ;)09:24
Tm_lagnoooo!09:24
Tm_lagyou! shame!09:25
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deindebufalo73: first message i_blocks must be 64....fix?09:25
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bufalo73deinde, before going on "man fsck" in other terminal09:26
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deindephreakys: I need to use good music software09:27
phreakysthere is some stuff for linux09:27
phreakysesd and glame09:27
phreakysbut i guess not all software is for linux yet. maybe it runs through wine though :)09:27
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deindebufalo73: it is for repairing ubuntu filesystem, but ubuntu seems ok, it is reading fat32 partition I have problems09:28
phreakysis there something like doskey for the linuxconsole?09:29
PieDwhat does doskey do ?09:29
phreakysim getting rsi here09:29
phreakysits for shortcuts09:29
PieDwhat kind of shortcuts ?09:29
CellarDoorup arrow09:29
phreakyslike f3 gives the last typed line09:29
phreakysor up09:29
phreakysomg09:29
phreakyslol09:29
phreakyssorry09:30
PieD....09:30
phreakysits allready included09:30
PieDthat's provided by default :)09:30
phreakyshehe09:30
PieDthat's a MUST HAVE feature :)09:30
deindeTm_lag: did u abbandon me?09:30
PieD(and it works far better in linux shells)09:30
Tm_laghmm09:30
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phreakysyea, its working :)09:30
deindeTm_lag: I think u have no ideas?09:31
phreakysis there also autocomplete filename?09:31
deindecome soon ....09:31
Tm_lagnot really09:31
phreakysdoskey has it ;)09:31
phreakysah well...its ok09:32
deindeokay I leave now, come back after...bye and thanks09:32
PieDphreakys: doskey doesn't do anything that linux shells don't do09:32
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phreakysehm, my bad...its 4dos09:33
c0rrupt_hello09:33
phreakysjust a nifty tool for dos in the old days09:33
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c0rrupt_im trying to install nessus, but i get the error thati need the gtk "stuff"09:34
c0rrupt_Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path...09:34
c0rrupt_apt-get something..?09:34
c0rrupt_its the nessus 2.5.5 sh installer09:35
phreakysapt-cache search nessus09:35
c0rrupt_well09:35
c0rrupt_i installed nesuss through apt-get09:35
c0rrupt_but it was the old version09:35
phreakysapt-get is fucking great09:35
c0rrupt_and i couldnt add any new plugins09:35
c0rrupt_yes i know09:35
c0rrupt_i already used it09:35
c0rrupt_for nessus09:35
c0rrupt_but all i got was the old version and old plugins09:35
luiginoanyone using Entrance + Enlightenment DR17?09:36
c0rrupt_even when i registered09:36
c0rrupt_SO09:36
c0rrupt_what do i need to install this bastard09:36
c0rrupt_GTK09:36
c0rrupt_can anyone help09:36
bufalo73c0rrupt_: apt-cache search gtk+09:36
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paxphreakys: have you tried alias?09:36
phreakysno, ill try that. tnx pax! :D09:37
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c0rrupt_bufalo73, it comes up with about 50 entries09:37
c0rrupt_i tried to install the libgtk2.0-dev09:38
c0rrupt_but it has all of the dependencies09:38
c0rrupt_which in turn have their own dependencies09:38
paxphreakys: alias -p in console to see what you already have09:38
phreakysok, i installed alias09:38
phreakyscool09:39
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paxyou already have it09:40
paxalias auth='tail -f /var/log/auth.log | loco' <- one mines09:40
phreakyshm, no its not doing anything but showing alias ls='ls --color=auto' 09:40
phreakysmaybe i installed the wrong package?09:41
paxone of mines*09:41
phreakysyou made it?09:41
phreakysah, ic 09:42
phreakysalias commands09:42
phreakyscool09:42
paxyou could alias 'apt-get install' with just 'install' or couple of letters :)09:42
paxalias is installed by default, you just need to read about it09:42
phreakysheh,  thats fun09:42
paxphreakys: check your .bashrc you'll find the usage09:42
phreakysi got some info here http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_alias09:43
phreakysi guess its the same thing 09:43
paxwep09:43
phreakysis alias started on boot?09:44
Tm_lag=)09:44
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paxlet's see: alias sagi='sudo apt-get install' :D09:45
paxyes if they are in your .bashrc09:45
paxif you use alias in console then they'll be gone at the end of the session09:46
phreakyslol09:46
phreakysyea, thats a good one09:46
paxalias the command I mean09:46
phreakysarg09:46
phreakyscant save em?09:47
Tm_lag=)09:47
phreakysalias path='echo $path' 09:47
paxso now typing 'sagi kvirc' will get you  kvirc09:48
phreakys:)09:48
paxyeah great feature for lazy people like myself :c)09:48
phreakyshehe09:48
phreakysyea, but cant save the aliases somewhere?09:48
paxif you put your alias in .bashrc then they are saved forever09:49
phreakysah great09:49
nikkiapax, i wouldn't bother 'sagi kvirc'ing tho :P09:49
nikkiapax, the version in the repos is about 2 years out of date :P09:49
paxlook at your .bashrc you'll find a section for alias there 09:49
phreakysi tried the command tail, but now my terminal freezes :)09:50
phreakyswhats it for?09:50
nikkiaphreakys: it shows the last few lines of a file09:51
phreakysah, cool09:51
paxnikkia: I dun like kvirc either :c)09:51
nikkiaphreakys: without a filename passed to it, it assumes you want to 'tail' the input, so its waiting for the end of file from the console :)09:51
phreakysi found the bashrc btw 09:51
nikkiapax, freak!09:51
phreakysah :)09:51
nikkiaphreakys: lots of unix commands work on stdin without a specified filename09:52
phreakysim kinda new to it all nikkia :)09:52
nikkiaits so you can do stuff like 'grep -i failed /var/log/auth.log | tail -5'09:52
paxalias syslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog'09:52
phreakysah, like getting errormessages?09:52
paxif you want colored logs, install loco09:52
paxthen it becomes alias syslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog | loco'09:53
nikkiaphreakys: that command i wrote above, looks in the auth log (which is where security related messages go) and finds all lines with 'failed' in them, and then only prints the last 509:53
pax>:c)09:53
phreakyssweet09:53
phreakysill put some cool aliases in09:54
paxwep, grep is good for that09:54
phreakysehm, alias grep -i failed /var/log/aut.log | tail -5 ?09:55
phreakysarg09:55
nikkiaphreakys: i wouldn't bother aliasing that, it was just an example of how piping commands works :)09:55
phreakysah ok :)09:55
nikkiaphreakys: its not a particularly useful command, unless you want to see the last 5 failed things :)09:55
phreakyshell yea, its a cool feature :)09:56
paxphreakys: so still comperaring dos to linux emulators?09:56
phreakysnaaah09:56
phreakysthis rules, but gotta know how to use it first ;)09:56
CellarDoorhey folks, has anyone in here ever done this: "sudo apt-get moo"09:57
nikkiaCellarDoor: yes, and i'm still waiting for my lawyer to get back to me on suing the author of apt-get for my 10 seconds of my life back!09:57
CellarDoorhahahaha09:57
luiginopeople.... which file should read the default-display-manager and then launch the login manager in it?09:58
phreakysi made sacs to :)09:58
nikkiaphreakys: i'll let you into a secret...09:58
phreakyscool09:59
nikkiaafter a few years of using linux, you'll give up on using aliases, because they're a bit of a pointless waste of time once you can type fast enough and know the commands well enough :)09:59
phreakyssagi09:59
phreakysnow thats 2 seconds faster10:00
phreakysthan sudo apt-get install10:00
nikkiathere are just too many potential combinations of commands, and its too much hassle to bother setting up aliases each time you try a new distro :)10:00
phreakysyea, i guess ur right. but its fun anyhow10:00
paxyes, try aptitude -v moo10:00
phreakysi just stumbled on a program called satan10:00
nikkiaphreakys: oh, yeah, everyone does it, at first10:00
phreakysits fun those shortcuts10:01
nikkiaphreakys: i'm just saying, its something you'll give up on eventually, once you know the commands10:01
paxand .. aptitude -v -v moo10:01
phreakysok :)10:01
paxnikkia: lazy stays lasy (me) :D10:01
nikkiai don't think i know anyone thats been using unix systems for more than 5 years that uses aliases other than 'ls='ls --color=auto' :)10:01
bufalo73pax, apt-get moo? ;)10:02
phreakysits cool10:02
phreakyscool command10:02
phreakysnice colours :D10:02
phreakyscan i make an alias of dir and replace it with ls?10:02
nikkiaphreakys: nah, a cool command is when you start to write 1 liners that are about 500-600 characters long, and do some incredibly complicated task :)10:03
nikkiaphreakys: um, no :P10:03
phreakysah k10:03
nikkiaphreakys: try typing 'dir' :)10:03
phreakysyea, i know ;)10:03
nikkiayou could if you wanted, but really, whats the point, dir IS an alias to ls, effectively10:03
phreakysList Stuff or what does it stand for?10:04
bufalo73nikkia: sometimes, when I have to touch windogs I do an ls :P :)10:04
nikkiaphreakys: officially, noone really knows10:04
nikkiaphreakys: it was just a shortcut for LiSt on systems before unix though10:05
phreakysah k 10:05
phreakysman, im still amazed with the size of the software database i can choose of10:05
phreakysrepository ive im right :)10:05
benjamin1254yeah same here its awsome and mostly all free10:06
nikkiaphreakys: even that isn't a complete set of software10:06
nikkiathere is a lot of more obscure apps that aren't in the repositories10:06
benjamin1254brb all10:06
phreakyscool :)10:06
phreakysim glad ive chosen kde btw...its great10:07
CellarDoorkde r0x0rz10:07
bufalo73nikkia: spetially many games10:07
phreakys:)10:07
phreakysonly thing that needs to work again is apache <)10:09
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ValheruLordDHCPdiscovere on sitho(etho degisiyo) to 255.255.255.255 porta 6710:18
ValheruLordNo DHCpoffers receieved10:19
ValheruLordno working leases in persistent database . sleeping..10:19
ValheruLorddoes anyone have ideas??10:19
CellarDoordoes anyone have any opinions on Kpackage ?10:19
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CellarDooranyone have any opinions on Kpackage ?10:20
debianhello10:20
CellarDoorhello10:21
debiansomebody know the spanish lenguage?10:21
CellarDoornot me10:21
phreakyskpackage is ok :)10:21
debianthe kubuntu is exactly than debian10:22
debiannot is best10:22
debiannot is more easy10:22
Tm_laghaha10:22
CellarDoorphreakys I just installed it and was wondering how it compares with kynaptic and synaptic10:22
Tm_lagdebian: (K)Ubuntu does have more gui approach as default10:23
debianyeah10:23
Tm_lagbut hey, Debian IS easy :)10:24
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phreakysi want to reinstall apache, but when i apt-get remove apache2, nothing is really deleted10:45
PieDphreakys: the config files aren't deleted, that's normal10:45
PieDapt-get purge apache2 will remove them10:45
phreakyswhen i delete the config files, and reinstall, will it write new ones?10:45
phreakysah, cool10:45
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phreakysthank you10:46
PieDoff course it will !10:46
phreakysjust to be sure :)10:46
phreakysow shit10:49
phreakysi removed the /etc/apache210:49
phreakysand reinstalled with apt-get install apache210:49
phreakysbut its not back :/10:49
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phreakys*dang* i should have made a backup :/10:50
supernixHi10:50
phreakyshi10:50
supernixI am curious is there a program that will allow you to alter a whole group of images in a folder ?10:51
phreakysehm, i had such a program10:51
supernixI wanted to adjust all the images to a certain size10:51
phreakysnot sure if i can recall it10:52
PieDphreakys: ??10:52
PieDwhy didn't you do apt-get purge apache2 ?10:52
PieDremove apache210:52
PieDpurge it10:52
PieDand then install it !10:53
PieDyou're trying to do the package manager job, but you can't do it right10:53
jake1it has taken me 2 months to download Tiger10:57
jake1and it is still working on it10:57
jake1CRAZY10:57
PieDTiger ? Mac OS X Tiger ?10:57
jake1no Windows Tiger10:58
jake1yes Mac OS X Tiger10:58
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jake1it better work10:58
jake1or i will cry10:58
PieDkubuntu is better10:58
jake1i wouldn't use it for Video design10:59
jake1or editing10:59
jake1i choose to use my G5 for that10:59
jake1running OS X with Final Cut Pro10:59
jake1Shake10:59
jake1Massive10:59
jake1Maya10:59
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PieDjake1: thanks, such behaviour help decreasing the quality of free softwares10:59
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PieDdon't look at free alternatives off course11:00
jake1PieD: i pirate everything11:00
jake1oops... i mean11:00
jake1i buy it legally11:00
PieDare you proud off it ?11:00
jake1proud of what?11:00
jake1i get all the software from work11:00
jake1i need it for work11:00
jake1everyone else uses Mac OS X for work11:01
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PieDproud of pirating softwares11:01
PieDwhy are you here ?11:01
PieDprovocation ?11:01
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phreakysmy apache2.conf file is gone :/11:03
phreakysi believe it was std on the disk before i installed apache11:03
phreakysanyone can help me plz?11:04
PieDphreakys: there is no way to restore deleted files11:04
phreakysarg11:04
PieDapt doesn't remove configuration when removing a package, that's all11:04
phreakysno, i did11:04
phreakysmistake :/11:04
PieDyou did a mistake, you're yet in the next part of administrators11:04
PieDthere are two kinds of administrators :11:04
PieDthose who did a mistake11:05
PieDand those  who are going to make one11:05
phreakysehm, yea, im the first i guess11:05
phreakysbut before that mistake i was the second11:05
phreakyslol11:05
phreakysany idea how to recover such a file?11:06
phreakysits a standard apache2.conf file11:06
phreakysin etc/apache211:06
PieDphreakys: you just can't11:07
PieDthat's already too late11:07
phreakysarg..11:07
PieDmodern file systems don't allow file recovering11:08
phreakysbut...cant i get a new one somewhere?11:08
PieDbecause the file is deleted, and quickly something is rewritten11:08
PieDI told you already two times :11:08
PieDjust do apt-get remove apache211:09
PieDthen purge and then install it11:09
phreakysok, ill try to remove every trace of apache 11:09
PieDDON'T REMOVE MANUALLY11:09
phreakysok :)11:09
PieD(to purge : dpkg --purge apache2)11:11
phreakysah, cool11:11
phreakysits saying that its allready deinstalled11:12
phreakys/etc/apache2 still exists though11:12
jake1PieD: cuz i use Kubuntu11:12
jake1that is why i am here11:12
jake1however that said... i also use Mac OS X 11:13
jake1and there is nothing wrong with that11:13
PieDand you're provocating by telling you're pirating softwares11:13
PieDfor me that's provocation11:13
jake1i dunno... is using works software considered pirating?11:13
PieDdo you own a license ?11:14
jake1i mean i did borrow their CDs to put it on my computer11:14
jake1they do11:14
jake1and i am using it for Work11:14
PieDdo YOU own a license ?11:14
PieDdid you read the license when you installed the software ?11:14
jake1no i have affilation with the people who do own the license11:14
PieDthe EULA on microsoft softwares11:14
jake1yes it supports unlimited computers11:14
jake1it's not Microsoft11:14
PieDno11:14
PieDa license isn't unlimited11:15
PieD(for proprietary softwares)11:15
jake1Final Cut Pro the version we have supports unlimited amount of clients11:15
jake1or computers11:15
PieDthere are always restrictions11:15
PieDno11:15
jake1YES11:15
PieDcomputers in the enterprise11:15
jake1it cost 10,000 dollars11:15
PieDnot for you at home11:15
jake1yes this computer is part of the enterprise11:15
jake1it is their computer11:15
jake1they own it11:15
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jake1it's just at my house11:15
PieDthat's not what you said11:15
jake1i didn't say anything along the lines of who owned the computer11:16
jake1so it was up to you to decide i was stealing their software11:16
PieDit's not common having at fome a computer from an enterprise11:16
jake1it isn't?11:16
jake1well that's news to me11:17
jake1many have laptops11:17
PieDI never saw people doing that11:17
jake1well then you need to get out more11:17
PieDI saw people owning laptops11:17
PieDbut no laptop given without restriction by an enterprise11:17
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jake1around here i can think of six different companies off the top of my head that give employees computers11:17
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jake1my father's laptop is given by an enterprise11:18
jake1no strings attached11:18
jake1he can do what he wants on it11:18
jake1he has administration on it11:18
PieDDoes somebody know when X.org 7.0 will be available in breezy ?11:18
PieDWill they package RC or only the final release ?11:18
jake1but for now i gotta go11:18
adrack?11:18
phreakysdamn, i messed up good L:/11:20
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phreakysow plz, can anyone send me an out of the box apache2.conf file from ubuntu?11:21
pax6.8.2-x is what breezy uses11:21
phreakysi messed it up :/11:21
paxoh wait, corey is saying it's already 7.011:23
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nikkiapied, not until after its released, at a guess :P11:25
nikkia7.0rc1 is not a public release11:26
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PieDnikkia: not public ? :/11:26
PieDI didn't know that11:26
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nikkiapied, try finding it from www.x.org11:27
PieDthe rc1 is not released :p11:27
PieDcurrently, it's rc0 :)11:27
PieDhttp://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R7.0-RC0/11:27
PieDrc1 is to be released in a few days11:27
nikkiayes, try finding it on www.x.org11:27
PieDthat website was never uptodate11:28
nikkiaits a 'beta' effectively, i can't see kubuntu going with a beta of X, so, like, stfu :)11:28
nikkiait'll be in when its released11:28
PieDhttp://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/11:28
PieDnikkia: ok11:29
nikkiayes, note THAT DOESN'T SAY 7.0 HAS BEEN RELEASED, either11:29
PieDnikkia: off course I know it's not released11:29
PieDbut I'm surprised the rc isn't packaged for users to test it11:29
nikkiapied, i doubt its even remotely stable11:29
phreakyslol...found another poor chap with the same problem :)11:30
phreakyshttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/63/2005/06/3/33009611:30
phreakyspfew11:30
paxphreakys: http://ninux.net/files/apache2 just change User and Group back to www-data11:31
nikkiapied, remember, 7.0 is pretty close to the complete rewrite of X that X.org promised11:31
PieDreally ?11:32
PieDI didn't know that11:32
nikkiapied, its not just 'an update', it has the Xserver stripped bare and everything modularised11:32
PieDI believed they was only splitting11:32
nikkiapied, read the wiki link you posted, where it says what 7.0 will be11:32
PieDthen that's far greater than what I expected !11:32
PieDnikkia: I only saw they're now using a new build system11:33
nikkiapied, when 7.0 is released, 6.9 should be released around the same time11:33
PieD(and that they have yet more "packages" than gnome :/)11:33
nikkiayou'll see most distros stick with 6.9 for the near future11:34
PieD6.9 rc0 was released with 7.0rc011:34
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phreakyspfew, lifesave11:34
PieDmandrake developers told me 7.0 packages were on the way to cooker11:34
PieD(but not for their "2006" release)11:34
PieDthe ubuntu wiki said breezy was going to have X.org 7.011:35
nikkiapied, around a year from now is when i'd expect 7.0 to be available in distros, tbh11:35
PieDalong with the yet-dead Xgl11:35
PieDfedora core 5 is likely to have it, isn't it ?11:35
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jesusfishcrimsun: any word on those debs?11:35
crimsunI'm building them right now11:36
nikkiapied, if it does, it could be a very risky move by the fedora people11:36
jesusfishsweet11:36
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PieDnikkia: how risky can it be ?11:36
PieDIt's only packaging11:36
nikkiapied, no, its not 'only packaging'11:37
PieDyou have the same functionnalities in 6.9 and 7.011:37
nikkiapied, to modularize X, means ripping large chunks of X apart, there are god only knows how many old packages that struggle with Xorg already11:37
nikkiapied, functionality yes, does that mean that all the libraries will interact the same way? no11:37
nikkiapied, i'm just saying it'd be a risk to go with an X that is a 'new architecture', before its been adequately tested by people willing to put up with breakage11:39
supernixI was wondering if this was the correct syntax for renaming a folder of jpg files 11:39
PieDif everybody say that, it'll never be ready !11:39
nikkiaPieD: sure it would11:39
supernixI was going to write: foreach *.jpg convert -resize 1280x102411:40
supernixwould that be right ?11:40
nikkiapied, you think KDE 4.0 is just going to be dumped on the public without testing?11:40
nikkiasupernix: that's not renaming :P11:40
PieDI'm going to test it :)11:40
PieD(from svn)11:40
supernixnah I just wanted to resize them11:40
PieDbut a test from developers isn't like a test from thousands of users11:41
nikkiaand no, convert doesn't do inplace file operations11:41
supernixnot sure what you mean by inplace file operations ?11:41
nikkiasupernix: inplace operations are operating on a named file and saving it to the same filename11:41
supernixoic11:42
nikkiasupernix: convert, like many unix programs, expects an input and an output filename11:42
nikkiasupernix: so you'd want to do, something like:  mkdir NEW; for i in *.jpg; do ; convert $i -resize 1280x1024 NEW/$i; done11:42
nikkia(foreach is csh, not (ba)sh_11:43
supernixty nikkia I shall read up and learn more about this11:45
supernixI am curious how come I specified 1280x1024 but it is actually doing 1280x95911:45
nikkiabecause its a bug in convert11:45
supernixdang hmmm any work around for the bug ?11:46
nikkiaactually, it might not be, the bug i ran into, was that i'd specify 1280x1024 and it'd do 960x1280 or some wacky stuff11:46
nikkiaif its doing 1280x959 it might be 'ok' but sticking to the same aspect ratio11:47
nikkiasupernix: to be perfectly blunt, i've given up on stuff like that for images11:48
nikkiasupernix: i find its usually quicker to write a python/PIL script to do the job11:48
supernixI see why11:48
supernixit is also messing up on some of the thumbnails11:49
nikkiaIM/Convert has some general annoying things too11:49
nikkiait tends to get the alpha channel on TGA files wrong, for example11:49
supernixsome of them look kinda funny like having grey half way through the image even though the image looks fine in full scale11:49
nikkiasupernix: yeah, thats another thing i've seen IM do11:49
nikkiaas i said, i use python/PIL :)11:50
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supernixI did see some ruby and tcl and perl front ends for the imagemagick program but not sure what to do with them or how they work11:50
phreakyshm, apache works again, but the virtual hosts wont work. i checked /sites-enabled/000-default and edited this:11:50
phreakyshttp://pastebin.com/33778011:50
nikkiaif you even remotely know your way around python, it takes about 20 minutes to learn how to do image processing things :)11:50
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nikkiasupernix: no, PIL is a far better bet, if you use a front end to IM, you'll still be constrained by its flaws11:50
phreakysdid i forget anything in this debian config? 11:50
supernixnikkia: are you saying that python can do image editing like that by itself ?11:51
nikkiasupernix: with PIL installed, yes11:51
nikkiasupernix: and more11:51
supernixah I didn't know that 11:51
supernixI was thinking about learning a programming language looks like python might be what I need11:51
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supernixhmmm as I recall mailman is totally written in python11:52
nikkiasupernix: you could resize all files to 1280x1024 with the following python:    import Image   import sys     files = sys.argv[1:]    for i in files:     im = Image.open(i)    new_im = im.resize((1280,1024))  new_im.save(i)11:52
nikkia(obviously you'd need to break those lines up, and get the indentation right)11:53
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supernixThey need a shell script for that 11:53
supernixSomething that asks the destination and file types and then poof your done11:54
[Surge] How do I find a package that contains a file i need? I'm using synaptic but can't find the file.11:54
nikkiabut the fact is, its almost shorter than the bash command line to use convert... and if you want to do something else besides the resize, it gets even quicker :)11:54
nikkiasupernix: if you saved that to a .py file, you just run the file with *.jpg as a parameter, and it'll resize all your images :)11:54
supernix:D11:55
supernixI use coppermine on the server so I am betting they have a setting to do that automatically11:56
nikkiasupernix: 11:57
nikkiaBall8.png:     PNG image data, 720 x 592, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced11:57
nikkianikki@nikki:/tmp/test$ ../resize.py *.png11:57
nikkiaBall8.png:     PNG image data, 1280 x 1024, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced11:57
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crimsunjesusfish: I'll have to fix it tonight; it's barfing on a trivial thing that I can't fix atm due to time.11:57
supernixso you mean that is the same script you showed earlier ?11:58
nikkiayes11:58
brk3please please tell me amaroks going to be updated in the repos.. 1.3 is out!11:58
supernixvery nice indeed11:58
nikkiai just typed it into an editor, took all of 30 seconds, and ran it on a bunch of .png files i had handy11:58
[Surge] smbstatus is missing from the kubuntu install. Anyone know what package it's supposed to be in?11:58
crimsunbrk3: what repos?11:58
supernixcan I just copy and paste that script to a py file and it work ?11:58
nikkiasupernix: not exactly as it is no, you need to fix the intendation11:59
nikkiasupernix: want me to cut and past it in private message?11:59
brk3crimsun: what're they called.. the kubuntu respitories11:59
supernixsure that would be so great11:59
crimsunbrk3: I'm working on it tonight.12:00
crimsunbrk3: mine won't be official, though.12:00
brk3crimsun: your the man12:01
brk3where will it be?12:01
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brk3im so excited12:02
brk3cant wait to get it12:02
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nikkiaheh, forgot to turn flood protection on :P12:02

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