[12:02] <apokryphos> Riddell: rubberband-type selecting is really nice. From suse patches? Was wondering if the "smooth scrolling" they have will be in Breezy too.. it's nice.
[12:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: what scrolls smoothly?
[12:03] <Riddell> apokryphos: may have to turn off rubber band, it has problems for some people
[12:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: you know, the type of "smooth scrolling" in all apps
[12:03] <apokryphos> Riddell: I noticed it's buggy when selecting larger areas...
[12:04] <Riddell> apokryphos: never noticed any smooth scrolling
[12:04] <apokryphos> I think there were comments that that was gonna happen for 3.5 anyhow (smooth scrolling), but I'm not sure. Only place I've seen it properly is in Kopete svn
[12:05] <apokryphos> ...just instead of rigid/fixed type scrolling
[12:06] <apokryphos> Riddell: was wondering more if musicbrainz is actually broken. Some here have complained and for me it doesn't work anymore with juk nor amarok...
[12:06] <Riddell> yes, kopete has it
[12:06] <september> how do you disable public away in Konversation?
[12:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: even gimp has smooth scrolling now :P
[12:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: and it really really helps when doing pixel-perfect stuff
[12:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: we're getting left behind :P
[12:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: hm, are there newer versions out? Doesn't seem to be the case with 2.2.8
[12:11] <apokryphos> though I don't know how it would help with pixel-perfect stuff :P. I think it looks cool/provides a better feel
[12:13] <sharon> hi folks
[12:14] <sharon> irish ubuntu user here
[12:14] <nikkia> apokryphos: 2.3 developer preview, really major changes
[12:14] <apokryphos> ah; sounds nice
[12:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i think i've mentioned to you before, they've ditched the script-fu menu from image windows, for standard plugins
[12:15] <apokryphos> yeah
[12:15] <apokryphos> hi sharon :). Across the pond here -- England.
[12:15] <nikkia> its pretty stable for a DP, there's only one thing i've found that caused it to crash
[12:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: I might check it out; got a few spare hours tonight... thought I was working, turned out I wasn't. 
[12:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: just don't try to use the align layers tool, yet :/
[12:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: quite unstable here anyhow -- breezy on this computer finally. It's qiute pacey (really), but still bugs flying about
[12:16] <nikkia> altho i haven't checked if there is a new 2.3 build recently
[12:17] <nikkia> its a bit of a shame too, being able to align layers is one of the things thats been missing for ages :)
[12:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: my skills extend to playing around with wallpapers, making things for site, or making myself look cool with a lightsaber :P
[12:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: i use gimp a lot for my job
[12:18] <apokryphos> yah
[12:18] <nikkia> and are slowly becoming more proficient at doing my own art work :P
[12:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: be afraid! http://www.youmortals.com/gallery/download.php?attachid=4166&id=1720
[12:19] <nikkia> heh, so that's what you look like?
[12:19] <apokryphos> nikkia: there's just so much in Gimp that I haven't explored. Haven't even done most of the interesting tutorials
[12:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've found myself using inkscape a lot recently too
[12:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: yeah 8). Longish hair there though; a few months ago
[12:21] <nikkia> and had to use inkscape over remote X yesterday, since i discovered that kubuntu's version is only 0.40 so lacks some stuff :(
[12:21] <apokryphos> Ashamed to say I've never tried it out
[12:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: oh, on your laptop?
[12:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, i was trying to do some non-work related UI design
[12:22] <nikkia> and needed to create objects around a circle, can't do it in 0.40 :/
[12:22] <apokryphos> on installing inkscape... the following package to be upgraded: gparted. Weird. :|
[12:22] <nikkia> odd
[12:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: tbh, every time i've tried to use sodipodi, i've been put off by the UI, inkscape's UI seems a little better somehow
[12:23] <nikkia> altho i think king of the bad UI design has to go to Dia and its 'lets copy gimp's interface, even though its the worst part about gimp' :)
[12:23] <apokryphos> Ah, SVG stuff - excellent. UI doens't seem too bad
[12:24] <apokryphos> heh
[12:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: there's one thing in inkscape that really annoys me, but you can work around it
[12:24] <apokryphos> or Kynaptic that tries to take Synaptic's UI for some things :|
[12:24] <apokryphos> and Quanta gets the award for most cluttered
[12:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: that being, that there seems to be no way to select an object by name... until you realise that when you open the xml editor, and select an XML item, it selects the corresponding visual item in the main window
[12:25] <nikkia> there are mouse shortcuts for selecting bottom and top items under the mouse, but no way to select things 'in the middle' of the stack, so it really needs a select by name
[12:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: under 'Edit' i believe
[12:26] <apokryphos> I'd imagine so, yeah. 
[12:26] <apokryphos> ah yes, here it is
[12:26] <nikkia> Ooo
[12:26] <nikkia> 'GIMP 2.3.3 developer release - a preview of gimp 2.4'
[12:26] <apokryphos> ah, easily selectable, yup. Doesn't seem too bad.
[12:26] <apokryphos> oh?
[12:28] <nikkia> does gimp use the old linux numbering system then ?
[12:28] <apokryphos> Inkscape seems quite nice; might check out some tutorials for this
[12:28] <nikkia> ie, even releases == public, odd == development
[12:28] <apokryphos> I was wondering if gnome uses the same system; as in, as kde does
[12:29] <nikkia> apparently, the big new feature in 2.3.3 is a new selection algorithm *shrug*
[12:31] <nikkia> oh nice
[12:31] <nikkia> its a tool for b3ta users :P
[12:31] <nikkia> you draw the selection area around something, roughly, then highlight the foreground object you want, and it auto-finds the object and selects it
[12:32] <apokryphos> that's new?
[12:32] <nikkia> yeah, 'SIOX'
[12:32] <apokryphos> I thought that had been around for some time... maybe I'm thinking of it in another program.
[12:33] <apokryphos> really annoying thing now is that breezy has some x problems with xrender; can't compile kde apps :|
[12:34] <apokryphos> still; running it is good.
[12:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: how many hours a day do you work, would you say?
[12:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: anywhere between 10 and 18
[12:40] <apokryphos> :|
[12:40] <apokryphos> no wonder your boss likes you :P
[12:41] <nikkia> on a really bad week, that works out to nearly 130hrs/week, eep
[12:42] <apokryphos> nikkia: you do enjoy your job though, eh?
[12:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: moderately so :P
[12:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: atm, i'd rather have a weekend of relaxation
[12:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: you do weekends too?
[12:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: I hope you get long holidays =)
[12:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: since december, i've been pretty much working 7 days a week most weeks
[12:43] <apokryphos> :S
[12:44] <nikkia> and no, i get the standard 20 days a year :/
[12:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: is that standard? :|
[12:44] <apokryphos> oh, four weeks; yeah, I guess so.
[12:44] <nikkia> i've taken 5 so far this year
[12:45] <nikkia> which leaves me 10 to find a place in my calendar to take (although i might just demand 2 weeks off at christmas)
[12:45] <apokryphos> I guess that's one advantage of teaching -- long holiday hours
[12:46] <apokryphos> or long holidays, even
[12:46] <apokryphos> nikkia: you see the new appeal site? Some real promising things
[12:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: depends on how you look at it, most of the teachers i've known, tend to work their holidays too
[12:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: appeal site?
[12:47] <apokryphos> nikkia: and they have pretty much unpaid overtime, but they don't work all holidays, as far as I've seen. Especially not if you're primary school/lower-year-secondary school
[12:47] <apokryphos> http://appeal.kde.org
[12:47] <apokryphos> dot article: http://dot.kde.org/1123942244/
[12:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: teachers are contracted, aren't they? i'd expect unpaid overtime
[12:48] <apokryphos> Works out to quite a lot, though. A few hours every night
[12:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'Coolness' looks nice, but i worry about depending on Render so much, i've yet to see it work stable with GL enabled :/
[12:52] <nikkia> and i need GL for work more than i need Render for fancy effects
[12:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: Yeah. I don't think they'll allow kde4 to be slower (really). I'm remaining hopeful
[12:54] <apokryphos> a lot of encouraging stuff there; and I don't think any of it is "plain vision"
[12:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: quite a lot of it is ripping off OS X though :)
[12:55] <apokryphos> nikkia: sure :P
[12:59] <nikkia> hmmm, i like their ideas on hiding the filesystem
[01:03] <apokryphos> File manager icons mockup looks interesting
[01:04] <nikkia> i dunno
[01:04] <nikkia> that looks like it'd be very confusing
[01:04] <nikkia> i had to look at his key to see what the yellow icon decoration meant, for example
[01:04] <apokryphos> Yeah; thought of that
[01:04] <apokryphos> The "Add to Playlist" might be;the other two are reasonably self-evident
[01:05] <nikkia> you're basically just overloading icons on icons...
[01:05] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, but you have to envision it in a system with more than 1 file type
[01:05] <apokryphos> but removing extra clicks, at least.
[01:05] <apokryphos> Sure
[01:05] <nikkia> on his example, its fine, but i have a hard time picturing it working in a folder full of 100 different file types
[01:06] <nikkia> i suppose with tooltips, it might not be so bad, but still, it'd take a lot of getting used to, and i'm not sure there's much gain really
[01:06] <apokryphos> I remember there were some more ideas flying about; I recall one being to have huge icons where you can view and manipulate the contents from the icon itself
[01:06] <apokryphos> a bit weird ;-)
[01:06] <nikkia> apokryphos: another idea, would be to steal a page from the bioware/atari D&D rpgs, and have a pie menu popup if you hold down the mouse button for a certain period on the icon
[01:07] <apokryphos> Never seen them in action
[01:07] <nikkia> thats basically overloading gestures on icons tho
[01:07] <apokryphos> why not just click for it instead?
[01:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: basically, say you're in a room with an orc, you click on the orc, and a pie menu appears with a variety of options, say, attack, magic, talk, move
[01:08] <apokryphos> picturing it
[01:08] <nikkia> if you drop the mouse on those, it does the default action for that group, but if you move the mouse to there, and wait a second, that pie segment expands into more choices
[01:08] <apokryphos> oh, so just "extra" options for click and hovering
[01:08] <nikkia> so 'attack' might expand into the different attack methods your character knows
[01:09] <apokryphos> seems unnecessary; too many groups of options. They're saying one is too many :P
[01:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: if one is too many, then stuffing 4 mini icons in the corners aren't helping, IMO :)
[01:10] <apokryphos> Found the Control Center part interesting; I never knew some planned on removing it altogether
[01:11] <apokryphos> just giving it a serious make-over
[01:11] <nikkia> as i said, what i just mentioned is overloading gestures on icons, rather than icons on icons, you'd get used to clicking on a mp3, pushing the mouse forward and releasing, to 'play'
[01:11] <nikkia> or pushing right, and releasing to enqueue
[01:11] <nikkia> it complicates DnD tho
[01:13] <apokryphos> There'll be a lot up for debate at akademy, certainly
[01:15] <nikkia> the problem is, some of those concepts require changes to linux or X
[01:15] <nikkia> hiding the filesystem for example, won't work unless you have a proper versioning filesystem IMO
[01:17] <apokryphos> They are planning big changes to X, though; that's why Trolltech are hiring someone to work on it, no?
[01:18] <nikkia> i hope that doesn't mean we start needing developer licenses to develop Xlib apps :P
[01:19] <apokryphos> nah
[01:19] <apokryphos> http://dot.kde.org/1119948104/
[01:24] <nvidhive> hello guys
[01:24] <nvidhive> I was wondering if the repository is acting funny for anyone else..
[01:26] <nvidhive> I need the linux sources to compile my wireless drivers.. but they keep going *poof*
[01:26] <nvidhive> and I am on a t1
[01:27] <superkids> hi all
[01:28] <superkids> at least some people apretiate the power of linux :( but some dont *looks paranoid*
[01:28] <nvidhive> who are you looking for?
[01:28] <nvidhive> the boogey man?
[01:28] <superkids> noone
[01:29] <nvidhive> *ooogey* *beeooogey* *oogey*
[01:29] <superkids> * does too
[01:30] <superkids> boogalooga looga looga
[01:30] <nvidhive> eek!
[01:30] <superkids> harathhhh!!!!
[01:31] <roboman900> hi all
[01:32] <superkids> hi
[01:32] <roboman900> so whats new?
[01:33] <superkids> nothin much
[01:33] <superkids> hi one
[01:33] <roboman900> hi
[01:38] <roboman900> whats goin onm nobody out of 80 peeps are talkin
[01:44] <arcanistherogue> Hey, how do i get a desktop trash Icon?  In /home/john/Desktop, there is a "trash.desktop" icon, but how do i get it to appear on the desktop?
[01:44] <arcanistherogue> I think it only appears when I select show hidden files.
[01:46] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: browse to ~/Desktop and edit it with kate
[01:46] <arcanistherogue> k
[01:46] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: change hidden=false
[01:46] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[01:46] <arcanistherogue> thanks
[01:46] <apokryphos> s/change/change to
[01:47] <arcanistherogue> wow, this is nifty.  it has all the names in different languages :D
[01:47] <arcanistherogue> say, cuold you make your own shortcuts like this?
[01:47] <arcanistherogue> like write up a text file, save it as Blah.desktop, and use different values?  so you can customize icons?
[01:48] <arcanistherogue> err customize shortcuts.
[01:50] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: not really; all that icon does is link to trash:/
[01:50] <apokryphos> you can of coruse create shortcuts etc perfectly in kde though
[01:52] <arcanistherogue> nifty
[01:54] <arcanistherogue> say, i have one more question. 
[01:55] <arcanistherogue> the trashcan icon makes a trashca.desktop backup file, with a little recycle icon.  How do I get rid of this?
[01:56] <apokryphos> arcanistherogue: that's because of your settings in Kate. When editing a file, it's set to automatically make backups
[01:56] <arcanistherogue> oh.  thats why i have so many backups in my c++ folder....
[01:56] <arcanistherogue> well is it ok to delte?
[01:56] <arcanistherogue> *delete?
[01:56] <apokryphos> of course. Settings for that are in Settings -> Configure Kate -> Editor -> Open/Save
[01:57] <arcanistherogue> wow, thanks alot for all the help.
[01:57] <arcanistherogue> I have one last question, I asked this on the forums but i got no response.  Do you know of any way to play .utx and .it files on linux?  I have some game music I want to play.
[01:58] <apokryphos> No idea I'm afraid. If you don't get help in here, it's worth tryin in #ubuntu as well
[01:59] <arcanistherogue> k.  thanks :D
[01:59] <steven> hello
[01:59] <steven> i need sum help please
[02:00] <steven> i wanna be able to run games on kubuntu
[02:00] <steven> what do i do???
[02:00] <dean> k menu> games?
[02:01] <steven> like fifa
[02:01] <steven> nfl
[02:01] <steven> doom
[02:01] <steven> half life 2
[02:01] <steven> etc
[02:02] <_thiago> how do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2?
[02:02] <apokryphos> !kde342
[02:02] <ubotu> I guess kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[02:02] <dean> there is fifa for linux?
[02:02] <steven> no
[02:02] <steven> i want like an emulator or such
[02:03] <steven> to run windows games
[02:03] <dean> use in wine
[02:03] <steven> how do i get it
[02:03] <apokryphos> !windows
[02:04] <ubotu> windows is, like, Everything runs in linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office, or find an !alternative
[02:04] <_thiago> how do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? do I have to config anything special after downloading them?
[02:05] <_thiago> wont I mess up with my kubuntu?
[02:06] <_thiago> how do I update mys KDE packages to KDE 3.4.2? do I have to config anything special after downloading them?
[02:06] <apokryphos> _thiago: it will download/install it all automatically if you follow the instructions at that link
[02:06] <apokryphos> _thiago: all you have to do after is relogin
[02:06] <_thiago> ok thanks
[02:07] <dean> what's new in kde 3.4.2?
[02:07] <_thiago> im asking cause once I tried to update my slackware KDE packages, and after it installed them, I couldnt boot my linux anymore
[02:08] <apokryphos> dean: bugfixes
[02:08] <dean> ok..
[02:10] <_thiago> does anybody know a good movie player for kubuntu?
[02:10] <dean> kaffeine?
[02:11] <_thiago> I tried once, but it has too many bugs
[02:11] <apokryphos> it's better now, at least. Other popular are kplayer and kmplayer
[02:12] <_thiago> Are those available in the regulars repositories ?
[02:13] <apokryphos> apparently not, no.
[02:13] <apokryphos> !kdeapps
[02:13] <ubotu> apokryphos: Are you smoking crack?
[02:13] <apokryphos> or... http://kde-apps.org
[02:17] <dean> i hate to break the silence...
[02:18] <_thiago> does anybody know why my Knemo dot not show when I disconnect the network cable from my PC?
[02:18] <apokryphos> KNemo has been busted in Hoary, as I recall. A few complaints in here, and when I ran it it wouldn't work properly,
[02:19] <_thiago> but do we have an alternative?
[02:20] <_jeff> hey guys
[02:20] <_jeff> for the text editor Nano, what is the command to save?
[02:20] <_thiago> an alternative to KNemo?
[02:21] <apokryphos> _jeff: after Ctrl+X press Y
[02:23] <_jeff> thanks
[02:25] <_thiago> any other windows look like network monitor ? 
[02:25] <_thiago> besides KNemo?
[02:26] <apokryphos> _thiago: you've asked several times in a few minutes :P
[02:26] <apokryphos> might be worth checking in #kde or searching on kde-apps
[02:32] <_thiago> sorry, but no one answered...
[02:32] <_thiago> thanks... 
[02:32] <dean> for what?...
[02:32] <_thiago> how can I delete folders in kubuntu? 
[02:32] <dean> shift+delete
[02:32] <_thiago> but folders that have admin privileges
[02:32] <_thiago> any terminal command?
[02:32] <apokryphos> _thiago: sudo rm -rf /some/folder/
[02:32] <apokryphos> _thiago: be careful with that; things removed are unrecoverable
[02:32] <_thiago> thanks
[02:33] <_thiago> ok... 
[02:36] <_thiago> dont u prefer windows than linux?
[02:37] <apokryphos> _thiago: no :|
[02:38] <_thiago> ok, just asking
[02:39] <_thiago> I heard that Windows Vista will be the best OS ever!
[02:39] <thoreauputic> _thiago: BTW deleting folders that have "admin privileges" is pretty dangerous unless you know their function...
[02:39] <thoreauputic> VISTA = Viruses, Intrusions, Spyware, Trojans, Adware
[02:39] <thoreauputic> ;-)
[02:41] <_thiago> ok I was just deleting a app called Mplayer that Ive manually installed 
[02:43] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: wow, you cracked the name already ;-)
[02:43] <roboman900> hey im back
[02:43] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: heheh
[02:43] <superkids> hi
[02:44] <leus> hi
[02:52] <_jeff> hey guys
[02:52] <_jeff> im having a problem with my wlan car
[02:52] <_jeff> *card
[02:54] <dean> wlan is a memory card?
[02:54] <_jeff> no
[02:54] <_jeff> pc card
[02:55] <_jeff> ive installed it and stuff
[02:55] <_jeff> but i cant seem to get any network access
[02:55] <_jeff> although there is strong signal strength
[02:59] <_jeff> anybody?
[03:12] <delltony> whats up guys
[03:13] <dean> funfreepages.com/flash/the_smurfs_lost_episode.php
[03:14] <dean> huge!
[03:14] <delltony> is that the one where smurfette gets boned by all the smurfs i always knew she was a little slutty :)
[03:15] <dean> lol
[03:16] <delltony> dang id like to find someone with a motorola v551 phone like i have
[03:16] <delltony> its crazy i have ringtones out the butt and they work but when i put the wireless headset on i get a standard ring ring which sucks balls haha
[03:16] <delltony> i know thats off topic but hey it brings conversation :)
[03:18] <_jeff> hey guys
[03:19] <delltony> hey and stuff
[03:19] <_jeff> can you guys help me with my wlan?
[03:20] <_jeff> i installed ndiswrapper and i think it was installed properly, my wlan card shows up, but i dont know how to connect to networks
[03:21] <delltony> so the card is showing up?
[03:22] <_jeff> yeah
[03:22] <delltony> what does ndiswrapper -L say?
[03:22] <_jeff> il check
[03:22] <delltony> and have you modprobed ndiswrapper?
[03:23] <delltony> steps to do if youu haven't already
[03:23] <delltony> ndiswrapper -i <driver you downloaded for card>
[03:23] <_jeff> i have
[03:23] <delltony> ndiswrapper -l  (this will list the driver installed)
[03:23] <delltony> ndiswrapper -m (makes the modprobe config)
[03:24] <delltony> then modprobe ndiswrapper
[03:24] <delltony> once that is done then you do this
[03:24] <delltony> sudo /etc/network/interfaces
[03:24] <_jeff> ok, now it says net8180 driver present , hardware present
[03:24] <delltony> ok
[03:24] <delltony> pm me and i hope your using xchat
[03:25] <dean> good night all
[03:25] <delltony> night
[03:25] <_jeff> im using konversation
[03:25] <delltony> oh ok well xchat woulud allow you to pipe the display to me but anyway
[03:25] <delltony> in your /etc/network/interfaces you need this
[03:26] <delltony> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
[03:26] <delltony> auto wlan0
[03:26] <delltony> unless of course you want it static
[03:26] <delltony> once that is done then do this
[03:26] <_jeff> ok, just gimme a sec
[03:26] <delltony> sudo ifdown wlan0
[03:26] <delltony> sudo ifup wlan0
[03:29] <_jeff> ok, i added those 2 lines to my interface file
[03:29] <_jeff> i think
[03:29] <_jeff> ill double check
[03:30] <delltony> there is more too it 
[03:30] <delltony> but are you caught up yet?
[03:30] <_jeff> ok, so i put those 2 lines in my interfaces file
[03:30] <_jeff> does it matter where i put it?
[03:30] <delltony> ok
[03:30] <delltony> just put it at the end of the file
[03:30] <delltony> and save it
[03:31] <_jeff> ok i did
[03:31] <delltony> alright
[03:31] <delltony> did you bring the card down with ifdown
[03:31] <delltony> and then ifup?
[03:32] <_jeff> ill try it again
[03:32] <delltony> no did you do it before
[03:32] <delltony> yes or no
[03:32] <delltony> one time is enough
[03:32] <delltony> if our caught up with me so far then we can proceed
[03:32] <pl_ice> hi
[03:32] <delltony> your*
[03:32] <delltony> _jeff, try this now
[03:33] <delltony> try sudo iwlist scan
[03:33] <_jeff> it said it couldnt read interfaces
[03:33] <delltony> and you modprobed the ndiswrapper?
[03:33] <delltony> and you ndiswrapper -m befre you modprobed?
[03:33] <_jeff> i just did iwlist scan
 it said it couldnt read interfaces
[03:34] <delltony> what said this?
[03:34] <delltony> be specific please
[03:34] <_jeff> when i did the ifdown
[03:34] <delltony> thats fine it was probably already down
[03:34] <delltony> did you ifup wlan0
[03:35] <_jeff> ill try it
[03:35] <delltony> ifup wlan0 should call dhclient and bind you an ip
[03:35] <delltony> when it does i should tell you the ip
[03:35] <delltony> and return you to your shell prompt
[03:36] <pl_ice> u guys know where i can get clamAV 0.86.x ? i got ftp. backports open, and can't find sources entry on the forum. 
[03:36] <delltony> you tried sourceforge just a guess
[03:36] <_jeff> it said couldnt read interfaces
[03:36] <delltony> what said couldn't ead interfaces?
[03:36] <delltony> again be specific
[03:37] <_jeff> i did the ifup
[03:37] <pl_ice> neh, but long time ago i did it via kynaptic, just killed my sources.list and now not sure where was it
[03:37] <Llukax> hey guys, i was wondering if someone could help me fix this error 
[03:37] <Llukax> (WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed! * <----
[03:37] <delltony> paste me your /etc/network/interfaces
[03:37] <pl_ice> Llukax thats a warning not error ww
[03:37] <_jeff> ok
[03:38] <Llukax> yah i know but its not werking
[03:38] <Llukax> :P
[03:38] <Llukax> heres the rest of it
[03:38] <Llukax> (WW) fglrx(0): * 2D acceleraton available (MMIO) *
[03:38] <Llukax> (WW) fglrx(0): * no 3D acceleration available *
[03:38] <delltony> not ww is warnings
[03:38] <delltony> note*
[03:38] <Llukax> i installed the ati drivers and all
[03:38] <Llukax> :P
[03:38] <Llukax> and i read that i may have to have a second module loaded
[03:38] <pl_ice> and u changed the ati entry in xorg.conf
[03:38] <Llukax> for 3d acceleration
[03:38] <pl_ice> ?
[03:38] <Llukax> yes
[03:39] <Llukax> changed it to fglrx
[03:39] <delltony> did you run fglrx-config
[03:39] <Llukax> i dont have fglrx-config
[03:39] <Llukax> >_<
[03:39] <Llukax> ack wait
[03:39] <Llukax> sorry
[03:39] <Llukax> yes i did
[03:39] <Llukax> but
[03:39] <delltony> fixing to say then you didn't get it from ati
[03:39] <delltony> :)
[03:39] <Llukax> it only works for xfree86
[03:39] <Llukax> dont werk for xorg
[03:39] <delltony> no it doesn't
[03:39] <delltony> the one from ati works with xorg
[03:40] <delltony> the one from ubuntu that is xorg-server is borked
[03:40] <delltony> and only works with xfree86
[03:40] <Llukax> ok well it says to write to xfree
[03:40] <delltony> i know i personally use it
[03:40] <delltony> let me paste you something
[03:40] <delltony> hang on
[03:40] <pl_ice> delltony ,what cand u have? i got 9550 and works ok from kynaptic
[03:41] <delltony> 1. Download official driver .rpm from the ATI website.
[03:41] <delltony> 2. Remove fglrx packages using synaptic.
[03:41] <delltony> 3. Shut down gnome. [ From terminal: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ] 
[03:41] <delltony> kdm in your case
[03:41] <Octane> anyone know if there is a way to stop this random crap from going in my /var/log/messages? http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/breezy.xml
[03:41] <Llukax> ok i dont have an rpm i have a .run
[03:41] <delltony> 4. cd to where you downloaded the driver rpm file.
[03:41] <delltony> 5. sudo alien fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.rpm
[03:41] <delltony> 6. sudo mv /lib/modules/YOURKERNELVERSIONHERE/kernel/drivers/video/fglrx.ko $HOME
[03:41] <Octane> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/1248
[03:41] <Llukax> will that still werk?
[03:41] <Octane> err i mean that url ^
[03:41] <delltony> read what i told you dude
[03:41] <delltony> thats how you do it :)
[03:41] <Llukax> ok one sec
[03:41] <Octane> its realllyyyy annoying
[03:42] <delltony> 7. dpkg --force-overwrite fglrx_6_8_0-8.10.19-1.i386.deb
[03:42] <delltony> 8. cd /lib/modules/fglrx/build_mod
[03:42] <delltony> 9. sudo sh make.sh
[03:42] <delltony> 9. sudo sh make.sh
[03:42] <delltony> 10. cd /lib/modules/fglrx
[03:42] <delltony> 11. sudo sh make_install.sh
[03:42] <delltony> 12. modprobe fglrx
[03:42] <delltony> 13. fglrxconfig
[03:42] <delltony> thats it game over pay me 1,000 usd :p
[03:43] <pl_ice> delltony is that from howto?if not can u put it on the forum?
[03:43] <delltony> its from a howto
[03:43] <delltony> i don't know the link off hand though
[03:44] <delltony> actually i think it was from bugzilla where i complained about xorgserver-fglrx being xfree86
[03:44] <delltony> they still haven't fixed it by the way )
[03:45] <delltony> the offical ati driver works with xorg though
[03:45] <pl_ice> delltony, so howcome my works?
[03:45] <delltony> however i have yet to get tvout to work 
[03:45] <delltony> well it works let me restate that
[03:45] <delltony> it works but its preconfigured
[03:45] <delltony> you can't fglrx-config
[03:46] <delltony> it will make a xfree86 file
[03:46] <delltony> not an xorg.config file
[03:46] <delltony> unless they recently changed it
[03:46] <pl_ice> i got xorg.conf ,all the time had it
[03:46] <delltony> and you got the ubuntu's xorg-server fglrx?
[03:46] <pl_ice> when did u try it? i reinstalled it 2 wks ago
[03:47] <delltony> oh its been a while
[03:47] <delltony> evidently they finally got around to my bug report :)
[03:47] <delltony> it was about 2 weeks after hoary came out
[03:48] <delltony> he pl_ice just curious little off topic but do you have a motorola v551 cell phone?
[03:48] <pl_ice> hm, how do i check for that server? i can see only xserv-xorg without fx..
[03:48] <pl_ice> nope, nokia :] 
[03:48] <delltony> type apt-cache show | grep fglrx
[03:48] <delltony> that should list only fglrx and tell you if its installed or not
[03:49] <delltony> you have to supply it with the name sorry
[03:49] <pl_ice> don't think my apt-catche ever worked :] 
[03:49] <delltony> like for instance apt-cache show mplayer
[03:51] <pl_ice> hm, did apt-cache show fglrx ; got none
[03:51] <delltony> it has to be the exact package
[03:52] <pl_ice> right, done the * :] 
[03:52] <delltony> ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/|grep list
[03:53] <delltony> (change list to fglrx)
[03:54] <pl_ice> oki, got the server:
[03:54] <pl_ice> xorg-driver-fglrx.list
[03:54] <delltony> hmm they must have updated it thenn
[03:54] <delltony> type this
[03:54] <delltony> apt-cache show xorg-driver-fglrx
[03:54] <delltony> and it should tell youw hat you got
[03:55] <pl_ice> yep, heaps of info :] 
[03:55] <pl_ice> i didn't put - afer driver :/
[03:57] <pl_ice> hey, have u got backport entry other than : ftp://ftp2.caliu.info   ? can u post some more if u have them?
[03:58] <delltony> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[03:58] <delltony> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[03:58] <hater2win> what would I use to Unrar something in linux?
[03:58] <delltony> unrar :)
[03:59] <pl_ice> thnx
[03:59] <hater2win> oh... lol
[03:59] <delltony> sudo apt-get install unrar :)
[03:59] <hater2win> delltony: thanks for answering the most complicated question ive ever had... =p
[03:59] <delltony> haha
[03:59] <delltony> np
[04:00] <pl_ice> apt-get install rar   ....
[04:00] <delltony> unrar actually 
[04:00] <delltony> i believe
[04:00] <delltony> no maybe it is rar 
[04:00] <delltony> type apropos rar
[04:00] <delltony> and see
[04:00] <pl_ice> yeh, but nice to have rar as well ;)
[04:01] <delltony> rar (1)              - archive files with compression
[04:01] <delltony> its there
[04:01] <bjv> where does the file 'crtbegin.o' come from? i get an error when ./configuring this tar.gz
[04:01] <bjv> apt check doesnt show any lib packs missing. :\
[04:06] <sproingie> crtbegin.o is part of gcc
[04:08] <delltony> someone help me im having a brain fart whats the command to list hardware detecting like dsmeg or something like that
[04:09] <phreakys> woohoo
[04:09] <pl_ice> lsmod ?
[04:09] <phreakys> ati drivers work
[04:09] <delltony> nah
[04:09] <phreakys> finally :S
[04:09] <pl_ice> phreakys , can u change the resolution? 
[04:09] <phreakys> sure
[04:09] <pl_ice> hm, mines locked up
[04:09] <phreakys> but 3d acceleration is on now
[04:10] <delltony> its dmesg
[04:10] <hater2win> delltony: i type    unrar file.rar /dir/to/unrarto   and nothing happens
[04:10] <phreakys> that was a mess
[04:10] <pl_ice> hehe
[04:10] <phreakys> i tried reinstalling under root console
[04:10] <phreakys> that worked
[04:10] <pl_ice> what card u got?
[04:10] <phreakys> 9600
[04:11] <phreakys> lets test :D
[04:11] <phreakys> how can i test 3d in linux?
[04:11] <pl_ice> glxgears should get heaps of fps
[04:12] <NDService> phreakys: OpenGL? try glgears
[04:12] <delltony> did you try typing unrar and reading the commands :)
[04:12] <phreakys> ok, running
[04:12] <phreakys> 732 fps
[04:12] <phreakys> any good?
[04:12] <pl_ice> nope :/ no 3d
[04:12] <phreakys> not?
[04:12] <pl_ice> i got 955 and fps= 1500
[04:12] <phreakys> it says direct rendering on
[04:13] <pl_ice> *9550 card
[04:13] <phreakys> hmm
[04:13] <pl_ice> glxinfo
[04:13] <pl_ice> then scan trhough, should say:
[04:13] <pl_ice> OpenGL renderer string: RADEON 9600 XT Generic
[04:14] <phreakys> i have 9600se
[04:14] <phreakys> but its there
[04:14] <pl_ice> and direct rendering: Yes
[04:14] <phreakys> yea
[04:14] <phreakys> its on
[04:14] <pl_ice> hm...
[04:15] <phreakys> is it slow?
[04:15] <pl_ice> how much ram u got ? on the card? maybe it's correct :] 
[04:15] <phreakys> ehm, 256 i believe
[04:16] <pl_ice> my is bit worse that urs, got 256 ram... but 3d works. normally had 4.7 fps :]  w/o 3d
[04:16] <phreakys> yea, thats a big difference
[04:16] <phreakys> transparency in kde should work to now?
[04:17] <phreakys> i mean...fast transparency?
[04:17] <pl_ice> yeh, mine works
[04:17] <phreakys> mine 2...its way fast now
[04:17] <phreakys> allthough...
[04:18] <pl_ice> :]  glad
[04:18] <phreakys> well,. not exactly :)
[04:18] <phreakys> but im glad it works 
[04:18] <pl_ice> anyone uses clamAV 0.86.x? can't find package to install it
[04:19] <pl_ice> *upgrate form 0.85 to 0.86
[04:19] <phreakys> l8r
[04:19] <pl_ice> bie
[04:29] <bjv> hmm, can i extract all the .o files in the gcc .deb some how
[04:29] <bjv> and force them to be placed back into the system?
[04:30] <bjv> because apt intalling/removing isnt repairing this missing .o ive found.
[04:34] <bjv> ah!
[04:37] <pl_ice> :] 
[04:38] <bjv> strange that a simple dpkg --unpack replaced the files
[04:38] <bjv> but apt-get install did not.
[04:38] <bjv> huh.
[04:39] <pl_ice> not sure, can u just extract the file and overwrite it? use mc or something to get into it
[04:39] <bjv> i grepped  dpkg -c gcc for the file, and it was there.
[04:40] <bjv> so i just unpacked it, and peeked back in the /usr/lib dir
[04:40] <bjv> it had 5 files, when before it had 0
[04:40] <bjv> dunno.
[04:41] <pl_ice> don't know
[04:50] <Llukax> >_<
[04:50] <Llukax> well that didnt werk
[04:50] <Llukax> now its (EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
[04:55] <phreakys> hi
[04:55] <phreakys> somehow my khotkeys are screwed
[04:55] <phreakys> can i get them back somehow?
[04:57] <pl_ice> don't know :]  c ya uni time
[05:00] <phreakys> :)
[05:15] <ms12> is there a special switch in rsync to preserve permissions and ownerships?
[05:20] <jesusfish> anyone know of an amaroK 1.3-beta3 deb for Hoary?
[05:20] <crimsun> jesusfish: I haven't made one yet, but I can do that tonight.
[05:20] <jesusfish> crimsun: woah...just poped in to ask again
[05:20] <jesusfish> good timing
[05:21] <jesusfish> crimsun: oh, looks like 1.3 was just released
[05:22] <jesusfish> crimsun: tonight
[05:22] <crimsun> I'll have something hacked up in the morning.
[05:22] <jesusfish> awesome
[05:22] <jesusfish> thx
[05:22] <crimsun> I suspect if it gets into Breezy, hoary-backports will get it automatically.
[05:22] <jesusfish> that'd be nice
[05:42] <phreakys> hi
[05:43] <phreakys> i downloaded a bootsplash. how can i install it on kubuntu?
[05:44] <phreakys> anyone knows how to install a bootsplash?
[05:45] <memoryleek> is anyone running on a laptop with a wireless pcmcia card? ...i'm having probs setting mine up
[05:46] <Tribune> nope. i'm using LAN
[05:47] <memoryleek> damnit...i have everything set up...just the card wont turn on it seems like
[05:48] <Tribune> relax... someone will help u. i want to know to how to set up...
[05:49] <memoryleek> i know...its just frustrating...its the last thing i really need to do on this laptop before the semester starts
[05:49] <benjamin1254> is there a way to read wma files in linux?
[05:49] <jsubl2> memoryleek, have you tried https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles
[05:49] <Tribune> i use  kaffeine... works with wma... 
[05:50] <memoryleek> jsubl2 i'll check that out
[05:50] <memoryleek> benjamin1254...as far as video...VLC works (sometimes)
[05:50] <benjamin1254> i mean audio side of it since i use napster and i wana read my music from downstars off my windows pc
[05:51] <memoryleek> benjamin1254 i think there's a wma codec for xmms...cant remember the link offhand
[05:53] <memoryleek> son of a Bit.. i just happen to have a card that doesnt work...that's what i get for shopping at Wal-Mart >(
[05:53] <benjamin1254> memory i wasent here b4
[05:53] <benjamin1254> what card u usin man
[05:53] <memoryleek> linksys wpc54g
[05:54] <memoryleek> should have known when i had a time getting it working in win2k
[05:54] <benjamin1254> hmmm i have looked high and low and sometimes it takes a bit to get thoes running
[05:54] <memoryleek> yea... i think i'm just going to buy a new one...do you use one?
[05:54] <benjamin1254> my buddy had to do a search for it on the linux search on google... www.google.com/linux
[05:55] <memoryleek> benjamin1254 yea i've been googling for days..
[05:56] <benjamin1254> lol... but linux googling?
[05:56] <benjamin1254> there is a specialty search for linux users
[05:56] <memoryleek> well...adding linux into everything i've searched
[05:57] <benjamin1254> lol the just head to www.google.com/linux and search for it u will find what u need im sure
[05:57] <memoryleek> i am...i'm looking into buying a new card and access point soon anyway but just trying to save some cash
[05:58] <benjamin1254> eh i am too... but i havent done nethng with wireless as of yet cuz of time money and now collage coming up this october
[05:59] <memoryleek> damn...you dont start until october??? i go back on the 25th of this month
[06:00] <benjamin1254> :-/ well its cuz im a newbie at the whole collage deal and i am just starting out... ill be attending a 2 year full time year round collage PTI
[06:00] <benjamin1254> pitsburg technical institute
[06:00] <memoryleek> oh okay...i have a friend that's in hallmark tech institute...kinda the same thing
[06:01] <benjamin1254> i love there linux server
[06:01] <memoryleek> heh...what is your major or whatever they call it?
[06:02] <benjamin1254> yeaqh the tech institutes r nice... seeing as i road a 2000 doller segway durring my tour of the school
[06:02] <benjamin1254> my major will be computer forensics
[06:02] <benjamin1254> a nice way of cazlling me a legal hacker
[06:02] <benjamin1254> calling*
[06:02] <memoryleek> LMAO...the segway...colossal waste of engineering
[06:02] <memoryleek> comp forensics eh...sounds fun
[06:03] <benjamin1254> yea i have plans on hoping to be hired on to the fbi
[06:03] <benjamin1254> my cuz works with the fbi as well so ill be working right about the same place she is
[06:04] <memoryleek> that's cool...fbi pays good too
[06:05] <benjamin1254> i hope ... i mean i want to get everything p[ayed off asap.. im gana take some of the money i get from my loan and i am gana buy 2 or 3 laptops for myself for linux use
[06:06] <benjamin1254> i have a 40,000 doller loan pulled right now... so i hope to work things out to get it all payed off in the shortest amount of time
[06:06] <memoryleek> hehe...why so many? take some of that money and just save it...just in case
[06:07] <benjamin1254> why so many well my profesion calls for some seriouse work on computers and knowing a bit of this and that
[06:07] <benjamin1254> i have a program i wana load into my 1 laptop call PHLAK
[06:08] <memoryleek> yea i can see that but youre still in school...you wont need it now
[06:08] <benjamin1254> i graduated from highschol months ago man
[06:09] <benjamin1254> i need it now for everythinbg that wont be covered in goverment grants
[06:09] <memoryleek> yea true...what laptops are you looking at?
[06:10] <benjamin1254> ne that are like in the mid range like 64 bit laptops... and plus some gigabit eathernet laptops... not sure of brand name though. im thinking of getting maybe an asus moble pc
[06:11] <benjamin1254> asus moble laptop exuse me.. long day at work
[06:11] <memoryleek> dude...wait for a year and get the apple Powerbook x86...that's going to be awesome
[06:12] <benjamin1254> yeah i heared about them loeaking info ... they have a cupple working oses built already and a buddy of mine has one for just messing around so far it looks awsome
[06:13] <memoryleek> hells yea...i cant wait to get my hands on one
[06:13] <benjamin1254> yeah its leaked out so far and people have made builds of the os to where they get around the securty checks... its mainly a bittorrent file right now
[06:14] <memoryleek> yea but those builds are nothing like what will be coming out...apple is way smarter than that
[06:14] <benjamin1254> :)) sorta like microshaft is....
[06:14] <memoryleek> lol...microsoft is too smart for their own good
[06:16] <benjamin1254> no mcrosoft has a bit of an issue... did u kno the OEM OSes now that they sell are becoming iligal to sell because of some dumb ass reason... i think they want people to pay fll price for it
[06:16] <memoryleek> exactly...and that will be their downfall because piracy will ALWAYS exist
[06:17] <benjamin1254> linux will and should be windows downfall
[06:17] <Tribune> in my country............ piracy microsoftware selling for US$ 1.5 =))
[06:17] <memoryleek> hehe....hate to say it but linux wont kill windows anytime soon
[06:17] <Tribune> hahahahahah
[06:18] <benjamin1254> they even have a microsoft linux site i have seen floating arounf the internet
[06:18] <memoryleek> Tribune...sweet
[06:18] <Tribune> u can buy it illegally
[06:18] <Tribune> 10 software... Free 1 software
[06:18] <benjamin1254> yeah but oems they are starting to shutdown
[06:18] <memoryleek> lol..i bought winXP pro for 8 dollars ...LEGALLY
[06:18] <memoryleek> haha
[06:19] <benjamin1254> :O how
[06:19] <memoryleek> lol...my university has a deal with microsoft...we pay for the software by the CD...and we only pay 8 bucks per CD
[06:20] <benjamin1254> :OWOW
[06:20] <memoryleek> HAHA
[06:20] <Tribune> heheheheh kwelllllllll
[06:20] <memoryleek> i have win 98 se...win2k...and winXP Pro sitting next to me right now...and when vista comes out, i'll have that too
[06:21] <Tribune> i have win2k, XO, server2003, and longhorn ahakz
[06:21] <Tribune> XP*
[06:21] <benjamin1254> yeah but again it wil be the price of a new game console or higher
[06:21] <benjamin1254> and still with as many security holes
[06:21] <Tribune> office 2003
[06:21] <Tribune> autocad 200i
[06:22] <Tribune> :))
[06:22] <memoryleek> Tribune...did you get affected by the "genuine advantage" program?
[06:22] <Tribune> genuine?
[06:22] <memoryleek> benjamin1254...yep...so people will sell their current PCs and just buy new ones with it installed
[06:22] <Tribune> what that
[06:23] <benjamin1254> yeah man whats that
[06:23] <memoryleek> Tribune: yea MS has this program that keeps pirated software from updating...it was cracked by the second day it was out...LOL
[06:23] <benjamin1254> LMFAO
[06:23] <memoryleek> MS already gave up on it
[06:23] <Tribune> all CD i bought..... come in together with crack
[06:23] <memoryleek> LOL
[06:23] <Tribune> hik4
[06:24] <memoryleek> here's how you stop Piracy...LOWER THE DAMN PRICES!!!
[06:24] <benjamin1254> duh
[06:24] <Tribune> if they do............ do you think ppl will turn to linux?
[06:24] <benjamin1254> but microshaft has gay issues
[06:24] <benjamin1254> i dont wana become poor issues
[06:24] <memoryleek> Tribune: no...too complicated
[06:25] <Tribune> hahaha
[06:25] <memoryleek> benjamin1254: they have issues, and so does everything else
[06:25] <benjamin1254> isent miscroshaft technicly a monopoly 
[06:25] <Tribune> memoryleek. how to install wine did do apt-get install wine
[06:25] <Tribune> but i can't
[06:26] <memoryleek> Tribune: i honestly dont know...that's one thing i havent tried yet...why wouldn't it let you?
[06:26] <memoryleek> benjamin1254: not really
[06:26] <memoryleek> but they are monopolistic
[06:26] <memoryleek> as long as MS has a viable contender (apple) then they are ok
[06:26] <benjamin1254> how arent the morons of the worl a monopoly?
[06:27] <benjamin1254> O OK
[06:27] <memoryleek> LOL
[06:27] <memoryleek> they act like a monopoly but they get away with it
[06:27] <benjamin1254> soon they may run our gov
[06:28] <memoryleek> nah...that's the oil business' job
[06:28] <benjamin1254> i bet if bill ran for prsident he would get hired in automaticly
[06:28] <memoryleek> if he had the charisma and charm of Steve Jobs he would
[06:29] <benjamin1254> steve jobs?
[06:29] <geargolem> what are the advantages to kubuntu over ubuntu?
[06:29] <memoryleek> CEO/founder of Apple
[06:29] <benjamin1254> O OK
[06:29] <memoryleek> geargolem: nothing...ubuntu has gnome...kubuntu has KDE
[06:29] <benjamin1254> durr ... im stupid today
[06:29] <geargolem> memoryleek, your name is familiar
[06:30] <memoryleek> benjamin1254: its called senioritis
[06:30] <memoryleek> geargolem ;)
[06:30] <benjamin1254> i agree memoryleek
[06:30] <memoryleek> lol
[06:30] <geargolem> memoryleek, would changing fix my Xauthorization problem?
[06:30] <memoryleek> geargolem: possible...but that's a bit drastic
[06:31] <geargolem> memoryleek, I'm a drastic man.
[06:31] <memoryleek> geargolem: somehow i'm not suprised...haha....try running kubuntu from a live CD first if your going to do it that way
[06:31] <benjamin1254> geargolem how did u get ur name... and i think u should find an avatar of a gear golem it would look awsome
[06:32] <geargolem> benjamin1254, its a loooooooong story.  Once upon a time....
[06:32] <benjamin1254> i have all night
[06:32] <geargolem> memoryleek,  I've seen the desktop, alot flashier.
[06:32] <geargolem> benjamin1254,    .....  and after the 35th time we had sex that night she started calling me geargolem after that.
[06:33] <memoryleek> geargolem: heh...yea...i prefer kde to gnome anyday
[06:33] <benjamin1254> i have exactly 48 hrs to work with
[06:33] <benjamin1254> yeah i do to
[06:33] <benjamin1254> its better in feel wise
[06:33] <geargolem> lol
[06:33] <benjamin1254> and its not as stuck up like gnome
[06:33] <geargolem> That &^*&^*&^s it!
[06:33] <Tribune> i install kubuntu in my desktop. how can i install package a?
[06:33] <memoryleek> but i really like fluxbox for my desktop system
[06:34] <memoryleek> Tribune: what package?
[06:34] <geargolem> cripes, here we go on tangents to confuse the newb.
[06:34] <Tribune> sudo apt-get install ? anybody can support me?
[06:34] <benjamin1254> flux box is awsome depending how its setup
[06:34] <Tribune> example package a
[06:34] <memoryleek> Tribune: sudo apt-get install <packagename>
[06:34] <geargolem> what packages do I need to install for kubuntu?  My synaptic don't work and I have to do it manually.
[06:34] <Tribune> actually i'm still new with kubuntu
[06:35] <memoryleek> geargolem: try apt-get install kde3
[06:35] <memoryleek> Tribune: have you used Debian before?
[06:35] <Tribune> memoryleek Tribune: sudo apt-get install gnome?
[06:35] <geargolem> Try!!?  There is no try!  Only do!
[06:35] <Tribune> i did use knoppix 3.6  before
[06:35] <Tribune> run in cd
[06:35] <Tribune> before i use fedora coe3
[06:37] <Tribune> core3*
[06:37] <memoryleek> Tribune: yea its the same...but just do sudo before anything that requires root
[06:37] <memoryleek> yuck!! i hate fedora
[06:37] <benjamin1254> geargolem do u know how to do the actions? such as such and such user is doing blah blah blah
[06:37] <Tribune> fedora... hahahahah..... 
[06:37] <Tribune> i agreed
[06:37] <geargolem> benjamin1254, yes
[06:37] <memoryleek> hehe
[06:37] <Tribune> by the way.. do kubuntu or debian need to install anti virus? if yes.. how to install?
[06:37] <memoryleek> i've only been able to successfully run Debian based distros
[06:37] <memoryleek> Tribune: there are anti-virus clients, but i've never tried one...i'm ashamed
[06:37] <geargolem> benjamin1254, why do you ask?
[06:40] <memoryleek> alright guys...i gotta run...laters all
[06:40] <pl_ice> hi, anyone can tell me why i can't run matlab (gui) from start menu , yet i can from shell , and pops up as gui ?
[06:52] <benjamin1254> yes im still wondering since he left i had to go do something ... i just wana do actions myself but forgot how 2
[07:03] <benjamin1254> wmspaceweather - WindowMaker dock app that shows the "weather" in space............ i cant get it to load and i am unable to see it from the linux version of the start menu... 
[07:07] <benjamin1254> i cant get wmspaceweather to run
[07:08] <benjamin1254> ne ideas peoples?
[07:11] <jake1> ok... i am so lost
[07:11] <benjamin1254> lost
[07:11] <benjamin1254> why lost
[07:11] <jake1> i was in Ubuntu and seemingly i got banned cuz they are saying i have some type of bot
[07:11] <jake1> or script
[07:11] <jake1> that is doing something
[07:11] <jake1> but i don't have ANY scripts
[07:12] <jake1> so i have no clue what anyone is talking about
[07:12] <jake1> or bots
[07:12] <jake1> they are like telling me to remove it, but i dnt have one
[07:12] <benjamin1254> hmmm... what r u using 4 ur IRC chat system
[07:12] <jake1> xchat
[07:13] <benjamin1254> hmm ... give me a sec need to check something
[07:13] <jake1> apparently everyone is saying [Notice]  -jake1-  [some undefined musician] [ stars] [] 
[07:13] <jake1> that that is what happens
[07:13] <Tribune> i did install kubuntu and running it ok
[07:13] <jake1> i have no clue what is going on
[07:13] <Tribune> how can i update to get gnome?
[07:14] <jake1> don't you have Gnome ?
[07:14] <benjamin1254> thats degrade not an upgrade
[07:14] <Tribune> nope
[07:14] <jake1> you should be able to select it in the session manager
[07:14] <benjamin1254> gnome no i have the kde version
[07:14] <jake1> or something of such
[07:14] <Tribune> during installation... i face internet connection.. so only kde package in my pc
[07:14] <benjamin1254> yeah im installing xchat for kubuntu
[07:16] <benjamin1254> idk its odd... 
[07:16] <jake1> i'm using Xchat on Mac OS X
[07:16] <jake1> and i have never had this problem
[07:16] <jake1> with the whole bot thing
[07:16] <jake1> considering i dnt have any bots
[07:16] <jake1> or scripts
[07:16] <benjamin1254> MAC os x for i86 or powerpc?
[07:16] <jake1> PPC
[07:17] <jake1> i would never do such a thing as betray apple hardware
[07:17] <benjamin1254> lol ... ithought u were one of the lucky ones who have it for i86
[07:17] <jake1> NEVER
[07:17] <jake1> i was curious of whether it would work on an AMD system
[07:17] <benjamin1254> betray.. but they are making the move over to i86
[07:17] <jake1> or only Intel
[07:17] <benjamin1254> it would man ive seen it done
[07:17] <jake1> yes but they are not there yet
[07:18] <jake1> on AMD
[07:18] <jake1> or intel?
[07:18] <benjamin1254> cuz it is i86 compatable
[07:18] <jake1> :-\
[07:18] <jake1> maybe i will download it then
[07:19] <benjamin1254> :)) man just be lucky to get one w/o the security checks an stuff... 
[07:19] <jake1> i will try
[07:19] <benjamin1254> there are some that are avalabe on bitorrent
[07:19] <jake1> everything is available on Bittorrent
[07:19] <jake1> but first i am downloading Tiger
[07:20] <benjamin1254> :) o man im so tired
[07:20] <benjamin1254> o well a few more hrs on here and i will be ok
[07:20] <jake1> wow that's funny
[07:20] <jake1> i'm white
[07:20] <benjamin1254> :)) not black thats a shocker
[07:20] <benjamin1254> LMFAO
[07:21] <jake1> yea can't you tell by my elaborate spelling and my use of big words such as floccinaucinihilipilification
[07:21] <jake1> black people aren't smart enough to know words like that
[07:21] <jake1> or even able to spell elaborate
[07:21] <jake1> :-P
[07:22] <benjamin1254> hey i am black... and smart... not a dumbassed slave ne more
[07:22] <jake1> DAMN
[07:22] <jake1> i need someone to pick the cotton
[07:22] <jake1> jp
[07:22] <benjamin1254> LOL i know i aint dumb man 
[07:23] <jake1> but you're black
[07:23] <jake1> sorry... i kinda just assumed
[07:23] <jake1> i figured you were typing from a stolen laptop
[07:23] <jake1> somewhere in the projects
[07:24] <benjamin1254> \:-\
[07:25] <benjamin1254> dude im white... if u cant tell 
[07:25] <benjamin1254> i was just playin
[07:25] <benjamin1254> oi
[07:26] <benjamin1254> idk how many jewish black people u know lol
[07:26] <jake1> yea i figured... you were either a black jew, white, or asian since you were smart enough to figure out how to use IRC
[07:28] <benjamin1254> lmfao
[07:28] <benjamin1254> ...I feel like a dumb jew
[07:30] <benjamin1254> waiting on whitty responce...
[07:30] <jake1> ah
[07:30] <jake1> ok then
[07:31] <benjamin1254> i love chocoalate monkeys...and i live with a jewish chimp
[07:33] <benjamin1254> im pigmentally challenged
[07:40] <jake1> that page assumes there are no small geeks or nerds
[07:40] <jake1> or medium
[07:40] <jake1> it has sizes Large, Extra Large, Double Extra Large
[07:40] <jake1> crazy
[08:06] <Fatejudger> does anyone know how to fix the MBR after installing Windows after linux on a dual boot system?
[08:10] <Fatejudger> is anyone even here?
[08:19] <McScruff> lo
[08:22] <zAo^> what do I need to install in order to let KDE start the sound server? I get an error msg that it cant be starten (file or dir not found)
[08:33] <Tribune> how to set display in kubuntu? my monitor running in 640. i'm using 17'' Colour monitor. 
[08:34] <zAo^> Tribune: edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:43] <zAo^> can anyone plz help me with the KDEsound?
[08:44] <seaLne> zAo^: has sound worked before in linux?
[08:44] <seaLne> maybe the installer didn't detect your card
[08:44] <zAo^> seaLne: yes. In gnome it still works
[08:44] <zAo^> seaLne: I installed KDE myself (useing APT)
[08:44] <seaLne> is arts installed?
[08:45] <zAo^> yes it is
[08:45] <seaLne> do "ps -ef|grep arts" to check its running?
[08:45] <zAo^> it is :)
[08:47] <seaLne> if you run "id" is audio listed?
[08:47] <zAo^> yes :)
[08:49] <seaLne> hmm
[08:50] <azol> hi all. I want to download kubuntu install iso  via rsync. Where can I find rsync server with kubuntu iso?
[08:50] <seaLne> and i take it "ls -l /dev/dsp*" lists 2 things?
[08:50] <seaLne> azol: not sure if there thats available
[08:51] <seaLne> zAo^: does "cat /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Startup.wav > /dev/dsp" do anything? or running that with sudo?
[08:52] <zAo^> seaLne: no. Nothing :S
[08:52] <seaLne> any error?
[08:53] <seaLne> was that no /dev/dsp ?
[08:54] <zAo^> no error, /dev/dsp exits
[08:54] <zAo^> perms: crw-rw----  1 root audio
[08:54] <seaLne> weird
[08:54] <zAo^> o, o... :-)
[08:56] <seaLne> zAo^: hmm not sure then :-/
[08:57] <zAo^> thanks seaLne for the help. I'm going back to gnome then
[09:00] <zAo^> seaLne: can you help this?
[09:00] <zAo^> $ artsd
[09:00] <zAo^> ALSA lib pcm.c:2090:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM snd_cs46xx
[09:00] <zAo^> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:802:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
[09:00] <zAo^> Error while initializing the sound driver:
[09:00] <zAo^> device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory)
[09:01] <Tribune> hi.... previous there is somebody teach me to install a package
[09:01] <Tribune> after installing it.... i can see 5 person in the round invirioment
[09:02] <Tribune> how to get that package?
[09:37] <Tribune> i can't go to my terminal after update using knyapatic any idea'?
[09:38] <paines> which terminal ?
[09:39] <Tribune> start / utilities / terminal
[09:39] <Tribune> i want to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[09:40] <Tribune> can u intruct me paines?
[09:40] <Tribune> i did restart few time
[09:40] <Tribune> but it the same
[09:41] <seaLne> weird, you tried KMenu -> Run Command then type konsole?
[09:42] <Tribune> wow!! it help.... thanks
[09:42] <Tribune> :))
[09:42] <Tribune> <-- still new in kubuntu
[09:43] <hussam> anybody knows why the Kubuntu 3.4.2 packages don't have kdeartwork?
[09:44] <paines> Tribune, you can also press alt+f2 and fire any command in there, like konsole etc
[09:44] <paines> i do that all the time
[09:45] <Tribune> yeeeeeehaaaa
[09:45] <Tribune> thanks guy
[09:45] <Tribune> i love kubuntu
[09:45] <Tribune> hahahaha
[09:45] <paines> yep, love it too
[09:45] <Tribune> can ubuntu... (My Desktop) Communicate with my pocket pc.. toshiba e740<-- running Microsoft OS?
[09:46] <paines> don't know
[09:46] <Tribune> ic
[09:46] <paines> if you are lucky, than you can find a software which you can use to sync stuff like, adressboock etc
[09:47] <paines> last week i found out that i can connect my nokia mobile phone and access via kde apps, didn't know that too
[09:47] <paines> so, ask google i think
[09:47] <Tribune> k
[09:48] <Tribune> kubuntu.. don't have to maintain hardware. example SUSE there is YAST.... Kubuntu is it hidden or etc?
[09:49] <seaLne> control center should be in the menu
[10:10] <Tribune> my pc like to hang...... when using kubuntu. Pentium III 1.0gbyte. 80g.bye HDD 512ram
[10:10] <Tribune> any ideas?
[10:14] <torz> nikkia: you around?
[10:14] <nikkia> vaguely
[10:14] <torz> heh
[10:14] <torz> you know much about .mkv files?
[10:14] <nikkia> nope
[10:15] <torz> hmmm supposively mplayer is supposed to play them but heh, its being naughty.
[10:15] <torz> oh yea I ditched 64bit Kubuntu as well, things were getting annoying.
[10:15] <nikkia> ah, they're matroska files
[10:15] <torz> yep :~)
[10:15] <torz> matroska indeed
[10:15] <nikkia> torz, you may need special support at compile time for matroska under mplayer
[10:16] <torz> I've never heard of it until yesterday
[10:16] <torz> ah I see, I let apt do all the work to fetch mplayer686 for me you see
[10:17] <nikkia> yeah, i figured
[10:17] <nikkia> which means you're at the whim of the package maintainer's build options
[10:17] <nikkia> and matroska is pretty unusual
[10:17] <torz> yep
[10:17] <nikkia> IF it needs special support at compile time (i haven't checked, but lots of things do) the chances are the P.M didn't configure it :/
[10:17] <torz> maybe I have to download codecs for it.. mmmm
[10:18] <nikkia> apparently, yes, it has to be compiled with matroska support
[10:18] <nikkia> its about fedora, but here's a similar issue:   http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-621.html
[10:18] <torz> ah nice :~)
[10:19] <torz> will open it soon(ish), my bandwidth is soaked atm.
[10:19] <torz> or not lol
[10:19] <nikkia> its not that important, its basically just a fedora user complaining the same thing - that his mplayer doesn't play mkv files
[10:19] <nikkia> and people saying 'you have to rebuild the source'
[10:20] <torz> mmm that sounds hard
[10:20] <nikkia> hmmm, you also need 'libmatroska' installed, apparently
[10:20] <torz> torum@titan:~$ locate libmatroska
[10:20] <torz> apparently not :~) heh better go fetch it then
[10:20] <nikkia> i'll wager its not in the repositories either
[10:21] <torz> you win :~)
[10:21] <torz> I guess i could find a debian package
[10:21] <nikkia> compiling mplayer isn't too hard, if you have all of its dependancies installed
[10:22] <nikkia> and that isn't too hard on apt based systems, just look at the list of dependancies for the mplayer you have, then go thru each one and make sure you have any matching -dev package installed
[10:22] <nikkia> then you'd want to download and build the libmatroska stuff, then build mplayer itself
[10:23] <nikkia> i'd recommend uninstalling the system mplayer first, making sure it doesn't auto-uninstall any deps, then use checkinstall to build them
[10:23] <torz> and where do I get the package from? the official mplayer site?
[10:23] <nikkia> (them = libmatroska and mplayer)
[10:24] <nikkia> torz, yeah, that'd be my suggestion
[10:27] <igorez> exit
[10:53] <haplo> hola
[11:09] <seaLne> Riddell: do you know if there is a reason libkorundum0-ruby1.8 installs in /usr/local/lib/site_ruby/ rather than /usr/lib/site_ruby/ ?
[11:13] <seaLne> Riddell: not ofcourse that it really has anything to do wth you but is kinda kde related
[11:14] <zAo^> I did a clean install of kubuntu, no my soundserver starts normal, but I have no sound. Anyone who can help? (cs46xx)
[11:15] <seaLne> if yu run kmix is it muted?
[11:15] <zAo^> no, checked that :)
[11:15] <seaLne> thats the normal alsa annoying feature
[11:15] <zAo^> I know :)
[11:15] <zAo^> thnx seaLne 
[11:17] <zAo^> did a agrade to KDE 3.4.2; restart
[11:25] <zAo^> still no sound... what is this :S
[11:26] <seaLne> maybe nobody likes your music :)
[11:28] <zAo^> lol :)
[11:28] <zAo^> artscontrol shows some nice things
[11:28] <zAo^> no sound though
[11:30] <seaLne> launchpad is the place to report bugs in universe yeah?
[11:31] <seaLne> does it not list packages only in breezy?
[11:31] <zAo^> I had sound in Kubuntu be4
[11:41] <zAo^> who can help? 
[12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: because that's what kdebindings picks up as the install directory, I couldn't work out how to fix it
[12:15] <Riddell> seaLne: the kderuby man says ruby needs to be configured differently
[12:20] <seaLne> Riddell: is launchpad the correct place to report bugs in breezy universe? libqt0-ruby1.8 isn't listed there
[12:21] <hussam> Riddell: was kdeartowrk intentionally not included in hoary's kde 3.4.2 packages?
[12:25] <Riddell> seaLne: yes but there's probably lots of missing packages added after they made their package list
[12:26] <Riddell> hussam: it due to a change in the seeds between hoary and breezy
[12:26] <Riddell> hussam: oh sorry, different issue
[12:26] <seaLne> oh and i still can't connect to the torrent tracker
[12:27] <Riddell> hussam: it's because kdebase doesn't compile on breezy currently, kdeartwork depends on kdebase so I havn't made any packages yet (there's no differenence in kdeartwork between 3.4.1 and 3.4.2)
[12:27] <Riddell> seaLne: could you report the tracker on ubuntu-devel, might get someone listening
[12:27] <seaLne> and konq is still 3.4.1 isn't it
[12:27] <seaLne> Riddell: k
[12:27] <Riddell> seaLne: in breezy yes, kdebase not compiling as I said
[12:28] <hussam> Riddell: ok thank you
[12:28] <Riddell> any more questions?  I'm about to go out of internet contact for 10 days :)
[12:28] <seaLne> ooh where you off to?
[12:28] <Riddell> world gathering of young friends
[12:28] <seaLne> ah, have fun
[12:28] <Riddell> 5 years in the planning
[12:29] <Riddell> lets see if we can find any common ground between the evangelicals, the conservatives and the wishy washy europeans
[12:29] <seaLne> heh
[12:32] <hussam> Riddell: hope that goes well.
[12:59] <martinjh99> Any udev experts arounf??
[01:28] <casadio> hi
[01:28] <MisterX> where I can find "X11 header files (xfree-devel)"? They're missing!
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi MisterX
[01:29] <MisterX> hi kamping :)
[01:30] <MisterX> I'm actually installing licq and its plugin (qt-gui), and when I 'make' it, i get that missing header error :(
[01:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> build-essential perhaps? or apt-get build-dep $programYouWantToInstall
[01:31] <MisterX> What do you mean? I searched using "apt-cache search" but I found nothing. :(
[01:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> is what you want any of these? apt-cache search xfree |grep devel
[01:32] <MisterX> ok, I'll search now
[01:37] <MisterX> I couldn't find anything needed :(
[01:38] <MisterX> Hmm... I'm going to watch licq official website... maybe I'll able to find something...
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> good luck :)
[01:39] <MisterX> Thanks :)
[01:42] <raven3x7> hi 
[01:43] <MisterX> Hi raven :)
[01:43] <raven3x7> anyone else has had amarok confusing artist names?
[01:44] <bao> hello, how can i install RPM files?
[01:44] <bao> i am a newbie...
[01:44] <raven3x7> a rescan fixes it but it seems to rhappen again after a few hours
[01:45] <raven3x7> bao use alien
[01:45] <bao> it says "must run as root to convert to deb format (or u may use fakeroot)
[01:45] <bao> hmmm...
[01:45] <raven3x7> bau sudo alien 
[01:46] <raven3x7> bao sorry
[01:46] <bao> ok tnx
[01:50] <luigino> hello everyone? sup?....well, I have installed e17 WM + entrance, made defaulting entrance modifying default-display-manager, but still goes into kde...so what's the file that makes kubuntu that says the default is kde so I can change with enlightenment? 
[01:51] <raven3x7> er you probably need to change the default kdm entry
[01:51] <luigino> raven3x7: in fact but whats the file where to change the default?...
[01:52] <luigino> like to start the default login manager is the default-display-manager... what's the one for the graphical engine?
[01:52] <bao> how do i run programs that i installed using Sudo dpgk -i???
[01:53] <tvo> bao: depends on the program
[01:53] <bao> well, its point2play
[01:54] <luigino> bao, is it in the /usr/bin?
[01:55] <bao> ehm... not easy to see, gonna try
[01:55] <luigino> oh just do cd /usr/bin
[01:55] <bao> found it
[01:56] <luigino> good
[01:56] <luigino> then call it also from your home directory
[01:56] <luigino> with sudo point2play
[01:56] <luigino> and have fun
[01:56] <luigino> :)
[01:56] <bao> tnx, works'
[01:56] <zAo^> who helped me with my sound? I found it :)
[01:56] <luigino> =) a beer as payment hehe
[01:56] <raven3x7> lugino im not very familiar with kdm but you should be able to it from the gui.
[01:57] <luigino> oh raven3x7 I tried to look in kcontrol but there's only for the login manager
[01:58] <bao> anyway to put a shortcut into the menu luigino??
[01:58] <raven3x7> login manager = kdm i believe. also doesn allow you to change the default wm during login?
[01:58] <luigino> no in fact :)
[01:59] <luigino> that's why I'm here to ask if someone knows what's the file associated
[01:59] <bao> hmmm,  ok....
[01:59] <luigino> so I can put an hand and modify manually ;)
[01:59] <raven3x7> hmm im using gdm which allows you to do that
[02:00] <luigino> I know gdm allows that...but since I have kubuntu which doesn't have gdm... :-/
[02:04] <raven3x7> http://docs.kde.org/en/3.1/kdebase/kdm
[02:05] <luigino> ok lets see
[02:25] <jjesse> monring :)
[02:29] <luigino> hiya apokryphos :)
[02:29] <apokryphos> hey
[02:29] <apokryphos> woo, amaroK 13 released
[02:29] <apokryphos> s/13/1.3
[02:31] <luigino> apokryphos: I'm still fighting with kdm ahahah
[02:31] <apokryphos> luigino: what's the prob?
[02:32] <luigino> apokryphos: actually I made entrance (the login manager of e17) starting by default but now I'm trying to understand how to start kde with enlightenment 
[02:32] <luigino> because I want all the settings like sounds etc of kde
[02:32] <apokryphos> you mean, start kde with entrance
[02:33] <luigino> mmmm sorta.... start kde with enlightenment desktop...
[02:33] <luigino> entrance is already ok
[02:33] <apokryphos> use Enlightenment as the window manager, do you mean?
[02:34] <luigino> yes
[02:34] <luigino> by default
[02:34] <luigino> I was trying to look at kdmrc config file
[02:39] <phreakys> hi
[02:40] <phreakys> anyone allready succesfully installed a bootsplash for ubuntu?
[02:41] <apokryphos> ok, that's something quite different. I think there's something in the kde faq about that
[02:41] <luigino> apokryphos: maybe around kdmrc conf file?
[02:42] <apokryphos> ubotu: tell luigino about kdefaq
[02:42] <apokryphos> luigino: why? That has nothing to do with kdm...
[02:42] <luigino> ah
[02:43] <luigino> but there should be somewhere
[02:44] <luigino> a file where there's the default window manager 
[02:44] <apokryphos> luigino: should be what?
[02:45] <luigino> a conf file where I can find the default window manager... like normally it's kde....
[02:46] <apokryphos> luigino: normally it's KWin -- that's KDE's window manager. Like I said, I think it tells you what to do in the KDE FAQ
[02:47] <luigino> ok
[02:47] <luigino> lemme see :))))))
[02:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: doesn't startkde explicitly run kwin ?
[02:48] <nikkia> (and kdm defaults to using startkde to start a KDE session)
[02:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: why would it? That sounds like a bad way to do it
[02:49] <apokryphos> though I've never used anything other than kwin
[02:49] <nikkia> ah
[02:49] <nikkia> it does, but only if $KDEWM isn't defined
[02:50] <luigino> nikkia, maybe that's why exists the kdmrc conf file?
[02:50] <nikkia> luigino: no, that exists to configure kdm, nothing more
[02:52] <nikkia> if you want to override a user's KDE window manager, it looks like the answer is to put a shell script that exports KDEMW=/path/to/windowmanager  in ~/.kde/env
[02:52] <nikkia> as startkde sources *.sh from that directory
[02:53] <apokryphos> *KDEWM
[02:53] <nikkia> yeah, that too
[02:53] <luigino> ok lemme try man :)
[02:53] <apokryphos> doesn't seem to be in the FAQ... odd; it should be. Might bug canllaith
[02:53] <apokryphos> old link: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/kdewm/
[02:55] <luigino> ok I'm lookin in that page, apokryphos :)))
[02:56] <luigino> there's just a paragraph: STarting KDE with other window manager
[02:56] <luigino> :)
[02:56] <apokryphos> It basically says to do just what nikkia said
[02:57] <nikkia> gah, i hope these workmen outside aren't going to be there much longer
[02:58] <nikkia> they're digging up the pavement outside the neighbouring shop, and each time they use the pneumatic drill, my monitor goes ape, and my head aches
[02:58] <apokryphos> :(
[03:05] <luigino> nikkia
[03:05] <nikkia> yes?
[03:05] <luigino> in the /.kde dir I don't have an env file
[03:05] <apokryphos> create it
[03:05] <luigino> shall I make one with that KDEWM=....?
[03:05] <luigino> ok
[03:05] <luigino> hold on
[03:05] <luigino> :)
[03:05] <nikkia> directory, not a file
[03:06] <apokryphos> and it's ~/.kde/env/
[03:06] <luigino> ah I dont have that dir
[03:06] <apokryphos> yes.... so create it 
[03:06] <luigino> ok
[03:06] <luigino> then in inside I have to create a .profile right?
[03:06] <apokryphos> bbiaf
[03:07] <nikkia> luigino: no, a file that ends with .sh
[03:07] <nikkia> you can pick any name
[03:07] <luigino> ah then startkde will see for that file automatically or somewhere I have to tell startkde to launch that file?
[03:08] <nikkia> and in that file, you need something like   'export KDEWM=/usr/bin/enlightenment'
[03:08] <nikkia> luigino: kde automatically 'sources' every .sh file in that directory
[03:08] <luigino> ah ok
[03:08] <luigino> perfect
[03:08] <nikkia> well, automatically is perhaps the wrong word, the 'startkde' script does it
[03:09] <nikkia> there is a caveat tho
[03:09] <nikkia> if your .profile or something else modifies KDEHOME to point somewhere other than ~/.kde, then it will look there instead
[03:10] <luigino> oh I created a .profile with export KDEWM=enlightenment
[03:10] <luigino> as the paragraph on da page that apokryphos gave me said
[03:11] <nikkia> erm, thats just a different way of doing it
[03:12] <luigino> ok lemme reboot kde
[03:12] <luigino> and lets see if it works
[03:12] <luigino> I'll bbiab 
[03:12] <luigino> and thanks :)))
[03:16] <zAo^> what is a good QT p2p client? Thanks
[03:16] <zzzzzsolt> hey there
[03:17] <zAo^> lo
[03:18] <zzzzzsolt> zAo, try valknut
[03:18] <zAo^> thnx
[03:19] <zzzzzsolt> do you know anything about installing kdevelop?
[03:19] <zAo^> I did once :)
[03:21] <zzzzzsolt> cos at the time it does little more than complain
[03:21] <zAo^> what does it say?
[03:21] <zzzzzsolt> kdelibs is too old
[03:21] <zAo^> lol. You updated to kde 3.4.2?
[03:21] <zzzzzsolt> hmm
[03:22] <zzzzzsolt> nope
[03:22] <zzzzzsolt> 3.4.0
[03:22] <zAo^> try that first. It will update your kdelibs 2
[03:23] <zzzzzsolt> yea but that's not in the ubuntu debs yet is it?
[03:23] <zAo^> True, but there is an unofficial repo for that.
[03:24] <zzzzzsolt> won't kynaptic and aptget try to uninstall it every time?
[03:24] <zAo^> no
[03:24] <zzzzzsolt> ok
[03:25] <zzzzzsolt> where's that repo?
[03:25] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??
[03:25] <zAo^> sorry, donno
[03:25] <zzzzzsolt> k np
[03:25] <zzzzzsolt> so after i do that
[03:25] <luigino> hiya again
[03:26] <luigino> nikkia and apokryphos it worked by half
[03:26] <luigino> because its a strange behavious
[03:26] <luigino> *behaviour
[03:26] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??
[03:26] <nikkia> luigino: what kind of strange behaviour ?
[03:27] <luigino> when I type user/pwd it starts the normal kde loading then when it says load desktop manager it fuses kde with enlightenment
[03:27] <luigino> so now I see for example the desktop 0.0 as normal kde
[03:27] <luigino> but the terminal is enlightenment
[03:27] <luigino> and if I go in the other desktops its like enlightenment
[03:27] <stagiair> howcome 'kdevelop' isn't listed when I invoke `apt-cache search kdevelop`?
[03:27] <nikkia> luigino: yes, what else did you expect?
[03:28] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??
[03:28] <nikkia> luigino: that is a 'bug' in enlightenment, it can only handle kdestop on the first virtual desktop
[03:28] <luigino> that the desktop was with enlightenment icons and theme :)
[03:28] <luigino> aahhhh
[03:28] <nikkia> luigino: then you don't want to change window manager, you want to create a new desktop environment
[03:29] <luigino> mmmh yea
[03:29] <luigino> in this case where I can tell to create a new desktop environment?
[03:30] <radp> kubuntu has portuguese brazilian translation??
[03:30] <luigino> radp...did u tried first to google if it has? 
[03:30] <radp> luigino yes.. google and the site..
[03:31] <luigino> ah ok 
[03:31] <luigino> radp since it's a normal question and the site doesn't say that then maybe for now there isnt a translation 
[03:31] <luigino> and you maybe have to wait a bit or use english version
[03:32] <radp> right.. but ubuntu has pt_br translation.. and in the site there is nothing saying about this.. thats why im asking here
[03:32] <luigino> ah
[03:33] <zzzzzsolt> if ubuntu has pt-br, then kubuntu does too
[03:33] <radp> ok.. :) tks
[03:33] <zzzzzsolt> kubuntu is ubuntu but with kde not gnome as the default
[03:33] <zzzzzsolt> if i'm not mistaken
[03:34] <NOVA> hi
[03:34] <radp> yes.. I know.. but I just wanted to know "rightly" (sorry about the english)
[03:34] <NOVA> i have got a big problem with my DVD-burning
[03:34] <zzzzzsolt> by the way, i'm having minor problems with charsets
[03:35] <NOVA> beocuse my kernel for kubuntu dont seen in my dmeg
[03:35] <NOVA> anyone can helpme
[03:36] <luigino> nikkia: there's konstruct application on da kde developer site... do you think that would hop the enlightenment's bug?
[03:37] <zzzzzsolt> zAo, thanks for the tip on kde, i got a repo added to sources, it's updating like an angel now
[03:37] <nikkia> luigino: umm, i'm not sure i see how konstruct has any bearing to the issue, to be honest
[03:39] <zzzzzsolt> did anyone have success with mounting ntfs partitions? it used to work with debian testing
[03:39] <m0> hi!
[03:39] <zzzzzsolt> but since root is disabled in ubuntu and the ntfs partition is owned by root and it's read only i can't get to it
[03:40] <luigino> oh...as ya know is there alternative way to make a new desktop environment by default with kde's settings like sounds? Because if from entrance I set Enlightenment, it loads enlightenment but without settings
[03:40] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: pass the uid=  option to mount
[03:40] <nikkia> zzzzzsolt: and/or pass the umask= option
[03:40] <zzzzzsolt> hmm thanks
[03:40] <m0> aehm.. is the install-radeon-debian script working for kubuntu?
[03:41] <zzzzzsolt> haven't heared of that, i'll google it
[03:41] <ukseong> hello for everyone~!!!
[03:42] <m0> ok then: is the ATI radeon 9600 supported? i mean with a resolution of 1280x1024 depth of min 24bit and a little 3D support?
[03:42] <zzzzzsolt> m0 i installed it using the ati installer
[03:43] <zzzzzsolt> it worked ok
[03:43] <zzzzzsolt> if not flawlessly
[03:43] <m0> hm is that much work because i tried that "installer" about a year ago and it did not work for me
[03:44] <m0> as i know there were no installer... at that time..
[03:44] <zzzzzsolt> there is an executable kind now
[03:44] <m0> oh ok great
[03:44] <luigino> re apokryphos 
[03:44] <zzzzzsolt> it installes the driver and kernel module and control panel
[03:45] <apokryphos> luigino: you should just login to enlightenment itself... not use it only as the WM
[03:45] <zzzzzsolt> then you do a fglrxconfig and it should be fine
[03:45] <m0> and now: what about .deb packets... are they working with kubuntu?
[03:45] <zzzzzsolt> of course
[03:46] <apokryphos> m0: ones for ubuntu will obviously work; debian ones may or may not work. Generally not recommended that you use theirs
[03:46] <luigino> apokryphos: yes that would mean I'll have to get some gtk editor and edit the entrance.config_db to make default enlightenment I guess.... but plus if I login to enlightenment is there a way to import kde settings like sounds in it?
[03:46] <m0> hmm .. ok but i can still install from surce if there's no ubuntu packet available, right?
[03:47] <apokryphos> luigino: not any easy way I know; why not use KDE? :|
[03:47] <zzzzzsolt> i used ubuntu debs for debian testing cos at that time debian didn't have an ipw2200 package and it worked fine
[03:47] <apokryphos> m0: of course
[03:47] <luigino> apokryphos: cuz I like enlightenment esthetic's look.... ;-)
[03:48] <apokryphos> luigino: I wouldn't say that E17 is really properly usable, though... there's a lot to be done there
[03:48] <m0> good... so let me think: the file system isn`t very different from debian's is it?
[03:48] <apokryphos> luigino: you can very easily alter kde's look to attract your aesthetic appeal ;-)
[03:48] <luigino> ;-) 
[03:48] <apokryphos> m0: they're very similar; ubuntu is debian-based, and every six months it syncs back to give to debian
[03:49] <m0> good, and the packets i can get with apt-get.. are they the same as the debian ones?
[03:50] <apokryphos> Not the same; Ubuntu uses its own repositories, but it pretty much has all the things Debian ones have, or close enough to it. 
[03:50] <apokryphos> But yes, Ubuntu of course uses the apt package management system
[03:51] <m0> great, so i'll try that now... at the moment i have kanotix installed but that is such a mess atm because of all this packet problems with KDE 3.4.2 and so on..
[03:51] <zzzzzsolt> it's so close i accidentally left an ubuntu repo in the sources on debian, and did an upgrade. next time i started debian i got a nice ubuntu greeting splash screen
[03:52] <zzzzzsolt> but everything worked fine
[03:52] <apokryphos> hehe
[03:52] <m0> wow that's cool
[03:52] <apokryphos> There's quite a few stories of people who have gone ubuntu -> debian and visa versa with apt
[03:52] <apokryphos> it was easier to do with Warty, but still possible wth Hoary 
[03:53] <m0> ok then i'm gone for installing... version 5.04 is the newest, right?
[03:53] <zzzzzsolt> no wonder though, i hear many debian developers help ubuntu now
[03:53] <zzzzzsolt> yea, 5.04
[03:53] <zzzzzsolt> are you thinking about installing ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:53] <apokryphos> Indeed. And some who make the packages for Ubuntu also do it for Debian; they're reasonably tight, but there's still some cold feelings among the debian community toward ubuntu ;-)
[03:54] <zzzzzsolt> hehe i bet, they stole their manpower :)
[03:54] <m0> kubuntu
[03:54] <m0> why?
[03:54] <zzzzzsolt> just checking :)
[03:55] <zzzzzsolt> i used to have gnome on debian, but as soon as i installed kubuntu i became a kde fan
[03:55] <apokryphos> =)
[03:55] <m0> ^^
[03:56] <zzzzzsolt> plus i really want kdevelop, i used to do things for windos with delphi, i want to do that with linux now
[04:06] <luigino> I'll bbiab
[04:06] <zzzzzsolt> i got kdevelop i got kdevelop :)
[04:17] <seaLne> anyone here done any ruby/qt stuff?
[04:17] <aseigo> some yes =)
[04:18] <seaLne> i'm having problems trying to connect slots and signals
[04:19] <seaLne> if i just do connect(@cases, SIGNAL('clicked(int)'), self, SLOT('casesPopup()')) i get a method_missing error for connect
[04:19] <seaLne> the tutorial shows just doing connect , the bindings page has Qt::Object.connect but neither seem to work
[04:20] <seaLne> the slot is defined
[04:20] <seaLne> aseigo: i'm new to this so its probably something wrong im doing
[04:21] <seaLne> the connect is withing the initialize block and the class is inheriting from KDE::MainWindow
[04:21] <aseigo> gr. hold on.. i'll brb.. i have to log out and back in.. then i'll see what i can do to help =)
[04:21] <aseigo> and btw, #kde-devel can be useful as well.. 
[04:27] <setite> anyoen know how to get WMP9 to work in firefox.. and w32codecs dont solve it
[04:28] <phreakys> hi
[04:29] <phreakys> is there a way to enable full access for a X-user?
[04:32] <seaLne> full access to what?
[04:34] <zAo^> how can I change my middle mouse to "go back in history", in Konqueror? Thanks
[04:37] <aseigo> zAo^: it's in the web behaviour page of konqueror's settings
[04:38] <tuxipuxi> hi
[04:39] <tuxipuxi> heh this question is rather offtopic, but i will ask it anyway. what's the chance of getting a beamer to work with the kubuntu live cd on a laptop quickly? ;)
[04:39] <zAo^> aseigo: I only can assign that to my 3rd mouse button
[04:40] <aseigo> zAo^: ah.. is it right click only? oh well =) perhaps try khotkeys then ...
[04:41] <aseigo> nikkia: mouse support?
[04:41] <zAo^> $ khotkeys
[04:41] <zAo^> ERROR: Communication problem with khotkeys, it probably crashed.
[04:41] <zAo^> lol :)
[04:41] <nikkia> aseigo: lack of control over what mice buttons DO
[04:41] <seaLne> being able to just paste urls into anywhere on konq is brilliant
[04:41] <aseigo> nikkia: ah .. well, if that's the biggest let down ... =)
[04:41] <nikkia> aseigo: and as i understand khotkeys, you can't easily map multiple mice buttons to different events
[04:42] <nikkia> aseigo: put it this way, if i open konq to browse, i get sick of hitting the back button on my mouse LONG before i run into lack of plugins, or shaky rendering :)
[04:42] <seaLne> alt+left arrow key
[04:42] <nikkia> after about the 3rd or 4th hitting the back button and nothing happening, i switch desktops to firefox :)
[04:42] <nikkia> seaLne: i prefer the mouse button, its already under my thumb if i'm browsing
[04:43] <zAo^> seaLne: where do I need to change the to?
[04:43] <aseigo> nikkia: the back button or the mouse buttons?
[04:43] <nikkia> aseigo: the mouse's back button
[04:43] <nikkia> aseigo: 6 button mouse
[04:43] <zAo^> :)
[04:43] <apokryphos> 6-button mouses are really more popular now, and becoming more standard (our school had them)
[04:43] <seaLne> aseigo: so what should a connect look like?
[04:44] <aseigo> the only thing more stupid than software features that are done without thought for integration are hardware features that are done the same
[04:44] <apokryphos> Makes sense that kde should have proper support for them
[04:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: heck, i bought a cheapo mouse from argos the other day for my SO, and its 12 buttons!!
[04:44] <apokryphos> :|
[04:44] <nikkia> aseigo: every other browser supports the back button
[04:44] <seaLne> nikkia: thats just excessive
[04:44] <seaLne> maybe it was a keyboard with a trackball on it and not a mouse? :)
[04:44] <aseigo> seaLne: can you paste your connect line again for me? sorry =)
[04:45] <seaLne> connect(@cases, SIGNAL('clicked(int)'), self, SLOT('casesPopup()'))
[04:45] <aseigo> nikkia: if X can see it, you should be able to use khotkeys with it
[04:45] <zAo^> any idea how to change it? I only can set guestues or keyboard input
[04:45] <aseigo> seaLne: aaah.. no, it is:
[04:45] <nikkia> seaLne: heh, no, normal 7 buttons for a 'web' mouse, plus prev-app, next-app, page-up, page-down, and 'context' *shrug*
[04:45] <apokryphos> My KHotKeys still doesn't work in Konq, even with breezy
[04:46] <apokryphos> aseigo: does khotkeys launch for you? (in Kubuntu)
[04:46] <aseigo> Qt::Object.connect @case, SIGNAL("clicked(int)"), self, SLOT("casesPopup()")
[04:46] <aseigo> connect isn't used like a method with ()
[04:46] <aseigo> apokryphos: dunno. am on my suse laptop atm and am not near the kubuntu boxes to try
[04:46] <nikkia> aseigo: its probably equivalent
[04:46] <apokryphos> ok
[04:47] <seaLne> aseigo: hmm i still get `method_missing': undefined method `connect' for Qt::Object:Class (NoMethodError) even with that
[04:47] <nikkia> aseigo: ruby allows you to omit ()s if there is no precident issues
[04:47] <nikkia> aseigo: so 'blah a' and 'blah(a)' are equivalent
[04:47] <aseigo> seaLne: hrm. and of course you've require'd Korundum in yoru script, right?
[04:47] <seaLne> yep
[04:48] <seaLne> the slot is defined earlier
[04:48] <zAo^> well, lets buy a new mouse :)
[04:48] <aseigo> seaLne: are other Qt:: calls working for you?
[04:49] <seaLne> aseigo: a good point not entirely sure it is working completly in breezy but i have a Qt::Splitter which works fine
[04:50] <aseigo> hm.. ok.. then you have Qt bindings available to you ... very odd ... and you are using the latest version of Korundum?
[04:50] <seaLne> the one in breezy
[04:51] <seaLne> hmm yeah its not very descriptive but claims to be 3.4.2
[04:51] <aseigo> seaLne: if you want to send me your script, i can see if it works here
[04:57] <jpowers> are there known issues with kde 3.4.2's kwallet and/or certificate handling?  I had to disable my secure pop link b/c the certificate was bad and it didn't seem to want to accept it forever.
[05:00] <m0> hey guys what is the standard root password?
[05:01] <apokryphos> !root
[05:01] <ubotu> well, root is disabled in Ubuntu, you can read all about it on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[05:01] <m0> does nomoby know what the root password after the installation is?
[05:01] <m0> kk sry
[05:02] <apokryphos> np
[05:02] <sproingie> root has no password after install
[05:02] <sproingie> it's not hidden, it can't log in at all
[05:02] <m0> ok but how can i get root provileges at the konsole then?
[05:02] <sproingie> !sudo
[05:02] <ubotu> methinks sudo is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RootSudo
[05:03] <m0> can't i just enable that root account?
[05:03] <sproingie> you can.  you'll have to use sudo at least once to do it.
[05:03] <sproingie> sudo -i will give you the equivalent of a root login shell
[05:05] <m0> ok.. i like it more with a root account... why is it disabled here?
[05:06] <jpowers> m0: why do you really need a root account?
[05:06] <m0> and why is that thing not creating fstab entrys?
[05:06] <m0> because i'm used to it
[05:06] <jpowers> m0: I'm used to running windows as administrator, but that doesn't make it good or safe.
[05:07] <m0> i know i don't use linux with the root account but i'm used to log into konsole with root when i do my apt-get or administration, that's why
[05:09] <jpowers> I enabled root before I understood why it was done this way.
[05:09] <jpowers> now I kinda wish I could go back.
[05:09] <nikkia> jpowers: i went thru that, on OSX 
[05:09] <nikkia> jpowers: you can
[05:09] <jpowers> oh
[05:09] <jpowers> sweet
[05:09] <nikkia> sudo passwd -d
[05:10] <nikkia> actually, forget that
[05:10] <jpowers> it's that easy?
[05:10] <jpowers> haha
[05:10] <nikkia> no :/
[05:10] <aseigo> seaLne: heehehehe
[05:10] <aseigo> seaLne: QListViewItem isn't a QObject
[05:11] <aseigo> seaLne: Qt::Object.connect @tree, SIGNAL("clicked(int)"), self, SLOT("casesPopup()")
[05:11] <aseigo> seaLne: and voila!
[05:11] <nikkia> jpowers: i thoguht there was a way to force a 'non-usable' password with passwd, thought it was -d (delete) but that sets a blank passwd :/
[05:11] <jpowers> oooh
[05:11] <jpowers> yeah
[05:11] <jpowers> don't want to do that
[05:12] <nikkia> jpowers, sudo vi /etc/shadow    then change root's password entry to ! would work
[05:12] <seaLne> aseigo: ahh :) but how do i narrow it down to a specific item then? i was wanting to popup a menu when you right click on it
[05:13] <aseigo> seaLne: use QListView's clicked(QListViewItem*) signal
[05:13] <nikkia> jpowers: aha!
[05:13] <nikkia> jpowers: i knew there was an option...
[05:14] <nikkia> sudo passwd -l
[05:14] <aseigo> seaLne: and yeah, #kde-devel is often better for these questions as Riddell and i arent' always around here =)
[05:14] <jpowers> oh
[05:14] <nikkia> (lock account)
[05:14] <jpowers> thanks, nikkia 
[05:14] <seaLne> aseigo: cool i'll look at that, thanks, i was a bit nervous about asking newbie questions in kde-devel
[05:14] <aseigo> seaLne: that's what it's there for
[05:14] <seaLne> k
[05:14] <nikkia> jpowers: scarily, doing that stores the old password somewhere o_O
[05:15] <jpowers> yikes
[05:15] <jpowers> ok
[05:15] <nikkia> jpowers: since you can undo the -l by doing passwd -u
[05:15] <jpowers> I'll do the /etc/shadow thing instead
[05:15] <nikkia> jpowers: my guess is, it simply puts ! at the start of the shadow passwd entry, making it un-cryptable, then -u removes the !
[05:15] <nikkia> or it might use #, but all my locked accounts seem to be !
[05:16] <jpowers> ah
[05:16] <nikkia> indeed, thats exactly what it does :P
[05:16] <nikkia> root:!$1$0Ze0G8 ....
[05:17] <nikkia> and after -u :  root:$1$0Ze0G8 ....
[05:18] <nikkia> jpowers, sudo passwd -d root ; sudo passwd -l root     would probably restore the root password to the default [k] ubuntu state, i think
[05:18] <nikkia> ie, set an empty password, then dump ! on the start
[05:18] <jpowers> interesting
[05:19] <jpowers> thanks, nikkia 
[05:19] <nikkia> thankfully, i didn't lose use of sudo during any of that messing about :)
[05:19] <jk-> hi all
[05:20] <jk-> what's the "kubuntu way" of loading an iptables configuration at boot ?
[05:21] <luigino> hello again all....
[05:21] <nikkia> jk, no idea, i can't even see a startup for iptables in my /etc
[05:21] <nikkia> jk, at least, on my kubuntu machine
[05:21] <jk-> nikkia: no, me either :(
[05:21] <luigino> as you know, where I can get the edb_gtk_ed tool?
[05:21] <nikkia> here on my desktop, i have a hacked together iptables in /etc/init.d that just does iptables-save   on stop   and iptables-restore on start
[05:22] <nikkia> (and does the ip6tables equivalents too, naturally)
[05:22] <jk-> nikkia: yeah, i've done the same on my (debian) laptop
[05:22] <nikkia> jk, i'd just copy that over then
[05:22] <jk-> ok, thanks anyhow :)
[05:23] <m0> aehm isn't there amule for apt-get??
[05:24] <apokryphos> !info amule
[05:24] <ubotu> amule: (aNOTHER eMule P2P Client), section universe/x11, is optional. Version: 1.2.6+rc7-2 (hoary), Packaged size: 1992 kB, Installed size: 5888 kB
[05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: have you seen the news today, btw?
[05:25] <apokryphos> nikkia: nope, was gonna wait to see at work. What's up?
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: you know that cyprus airplane crash the other day? its getting more and more bizarre
[05:25] <CellarDoor> hi all
[05:25] <apokryphos> yeah
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: they've concluded that the victims were dead 'long before' the crash
[05:25] <apokryphos> Oo, what's happening?
[05:25] <apokryphos> :|
[05:25] <m0> why does it say: E: Couldn't find package amule
[05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: Any news on how the pilots seemed to go unconscious *before* the passengers though they were dropping? That's what happened, they were saying :|
[05:26] <nikkia> 'the bodies were frozen solid, and show signs that the explosion from the crash thawed them slightly'
[05:26] <CellarDoor> ooer
[05:26] <apokryphos> m0: you don't have "Universe" repository enabled. Edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the line with "Universe" in it
[05:26] <m0> ok thx
[05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: very weird
[05:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: some very serious twilighty one stuff there, IMO
[05:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: but they're not putting it down to terrorism at all... no signs.
[05:27] <apokryphos> Indeed. Fishy.
[05:27] <nikkia> s/one/zone/
[05:27] <CellarDoor> nikkia thats the strangest thing I've heard in a while
[05:27] <nikkia> CellarDoor: yeah, reminds me of 'Millenium' for some reason
[05:27] <nikkia> (the film)
[05:27] <CellarDoor> ah haven't seen that
[05:28] <nikkia> CellarDoor: its about time travellers from the future, that start travelling to our time, and pulling people off (about to) plane crashes
[05:28] <CellarDoor> speaking of wierdness... I just tried Mepis
[05:28] <nikkia> CellarDoor: their future is underpopulated, and they figure we won't miss people that were going to die anyway
[05:28] <luigino> no one knows what's the gtk package that contains the edb_gtk_ed tool? :)
[05:29] <CellarDoor> nikkia: ah rite
[05:30] <CellarDoor> This is what I posted to someone in another channel concerning my first impressions Mepis:
[05:31] <CellarDoor> Mepis started up ok... KDE 3.3 looks old now but nevermind... First thing: No eth0... dunno why but I had to go into the Mepis Control thingy to turn it on and even then it kept going off again... wierd. And KDE 3.3 looks uh... old. Anti aliasing was on Mepis which was good (As I can't seem to get it to turn on in kubuntu). Wasn't wrapped with the standard app selections but thats not important. The worst thing was when I went
[05:31] <CellarDoor> e of times... nothing. I thought, uh oh this looks bad. After I killed it at the power switch I was able to boot back into my familiar kubuntu desktop again... phew !
[05:31] <apokryphos> nikkia: 48 children :(
[05:31] <apokryphos> (at least)
[05:33] <troglodyt> 21 kids
[05:33] <apokryphos> troglodyt: 21 more?
[05:33] <troglodyt> 21 kids total
[05:33] <apokryphos> No. Apparently 48 were children heading for Prague
[05:33] <apokryphos> http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/08/15/news/crash.php
[05:34] <troglodyt> ah OK.. i just read a cnn report on it... they said one source we saysing 48 kids, but they had 3 other sources saying 20 or 21
[05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: oddly, the BBC says '17'
[05:37] <apokryphos> Just reading that now
[05:37] <apokryphos> it also mentions that the name of all the persons (list) has been given out...
[05:38] <luigino> apokryphos and nikkia, do ya know maybe which gtk package contains the edb_gtk_ed tool? 
[05:38] <nikkia> luigino: not a clue
[05:38] <apokryphos> nope
[05:38] <luigino> ok thx :)
[05:40] <apokryphos> nikkia: can you think of any possible explanation for bodies being frozen?
[05:41] <apokryphos> maybe the ventilation system completely mucked up. But I still find that odd; a guy was saying that it had at least 4 ventilation systems...
[05:41] <troglodyt> at 36,000 ft it's -50
[05:42] <hussam> How much time would it take to compile kernel on a P3 with 384MB ram? appoximately
[05:42] <nikkia> apokryphos: not really
[05:42] <CellarDoor> People pass out quiclky at high altitudes and freeze quickly too
[05:42] <apokryphos> troglodyt: woah
[05:42] <apokryphos> what exactly could fighter jets do? I guess check whether it should be shot down or not :|
[05:42] <CellarDoor> They're still trying to figure out exactly what happened
[05:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: i suspect they were fearing a 9/11 style hijack
[05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: not like there's a great number of high profile targets in greece that they'd bother crashing a plane into...  the acropolis i guess, but thats material damage, not much for terrorists to gain, really
[05:45] <apokryphos> I think it would be the last country on the list, and there's no big "rebels" I know against the acropolis
[05:45] <nikkia> 'and also, today, muslim fundamentalists crashed an aircraft and killed 10 mountain goats' isn't much of of a attention grabber :P
[05:45] <apokryphos> though it is perhaps one of the greatest architectural achievements in europe ;-)
[05:46] <apokryphos> That's been ruled out, I'm sure. All but 11 were Cypriots, says the article (though not entirely sure what to believe). And chance of one of those being muslim is slim, especially in Cyprus/going to Greece
[05:47] <apokryphos> re: acropolis... it's in a state already. All ugly scafolding etc :|
[05:47] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh yeah, doesn't look like terrorism, i was just meaning why the F16s were scrambled... 
[05:47] <apokryphos> sure
[05:49] <nikkia> hmmm, i suppose it was nearly an hour before the F16s met the plane
[05:49] <nikkia> so freezing solid IS possible in that time
[05:50] <nikkia> (and 1hr40ish before it crashed)
[05:50] <apokryphos> there's just been so many "big issues" in the news lately. One after another, repeatedly
[05:50] <nikkia> actually, more than that
[05:50] <hussam> nikkia: when you were on Kubuntu,did you compile your own kernel?
[05:50] <nikkia> hussam: i tried
[05:51] <nikkia> hussam: it wasn't easy, because kubuntu's mkinitrd is bugged :P
[05:51] <nikkia> hussam: i also had problems that the kernel i DID get working, wasn't very reliable, i don't know why (same sources i'm using now, so the kernel itself is fine)
[05:53] <hussam> nikkia: if it does work, it won't replace the old one, just add another kernel to menu.lst right?
[05:53] <nikkia> hussam: depends on how you compile it
[05:54] <nikkia> hussam: if you give it a different release number, you should be alright, otherwise you have to be careful about overwriting /lib/modules/
[05:54] <hussam> nikkia: I found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=56835
[05:55] <nikkia> yeah, that should be ok, should just add a new menu item, and leave your old modules alone
[05:55] <nikkia> be aware, that doing that, you will be lacking quite a few drivers that aren't in the kernel, that kubuntu installs
[05:56] <hussam> nikkia: will NVIDIA kernel module build, if my source is an unpatched tarball from kernel.org?
[05:56] <nikkia> hussam: yeah
[05:56] <nikkia> hussam: nvidia's driver isn't all that picky about the kernel anyway
[05:57] <dionysus> just out of curiousity, are there any huge differences between using ubuntu post-'apt-get install kde kdebase kde....etc' and kubuntu?
[05:58] <CellarDoor> dionysus, opinions seem to be divided on that one
[05:58] <dionysus> heh
[05:58] <hussam> nikkia: and it is possible to have a kernel 2.6.12.4 without affecting the installed 2.6.10 in any way as long as I give different release numbers, right?
[05:59] <nikkia> by default, you'll be fine with those 2 anyway
[05:59] <apokryphos> dionysus: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop will get you all the necessary things that come with kubuntu
[05:59] <nikkia> hussam: its only when you have say, kubuntu's 2.6.10 and your own 2.6.10 that you start to run into potential problems
[05:59] <nikkia> and that's why the guide uses '--custom' appended to the kernel name
[06:00] <hussam> nikkia: Ok I understand that.
[06:00] <nikkia> erm, -custom, rather
[06:00] <dionysus> ah k cool ty apokryphos :)
[06:00] <nikkia> hussam: i'd follow that guide's advice anyway, ie, build a '-custom' kernel
[06:00] <nikkia> hussam, that way, if there is an ubuntu 2.6.12.4 release, you stand less chance of clashing
[06:01] <CellarDoor> ooh
[06:01] <nikkia> hussam: as i said though, i found 2.6.12.3 to be very unreliable under kubuntu, i don't know why, you might be alright, but i had kernel panics, freezes, the whole lot
[06:01] <CellarDoor> I did an apt-get upgrade and I seem to be getting 3.4.2 packages... goodo !
[06:02] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: you must have added the 3.4.2 repository, yup
[06:02] <CellarDoor> ah I thought I did, but it didn't seem to be working before
[06:02] <CellarDoor> guess it is now :P
[06:02] <hussam> nikkia: I guess that's why it's good we can have more than one kernel installed.
[06:03] <nikkia> hussam: the great thing about grub, is that you don't need a menu item for each one, either
[06:03] <hussam> nikkia: one for productivity and one for testing :)
[06:03] <nikkia> hussam: you can boot an 'old stable' kernel from grub just by using the command line, and keep your menu relatively clean
[06:04] <CellarDoor> hmm how do I know I've got 3.4.2 ?
[06:04] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: kde-config --version
[06:04] <CellarDoor> ah thanks apokryphos 
[06:04] <nikkia> i don't normally add a grub menu item for a new kernel until i'm sure it works, too, that way, if it falls over in the middle of the night in the first day or two, it will boot back in the stable 'known good' kernel
[06:04] <apokryphos> or Help -> About in any kde app
[06:05] <CellarDoor> Qt: 3.3.3
[06:05] <CellarDoor> KDE: 3.4.2
[06:05] <CellarDoor> kde-config: 1.0
[06:05] <CellarDoor> yes :D
[06:06] <CellarDoor> apokryphos: apps are still saying 3.4.0, I'm supposing I might need to log out and back in again for that to change ?
[06:06] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what apps?
[06:06] <CellarDoor> Konqueror is saying that its version 3.4.2 but that KDE is 3.4.0 still
[06:07] <apokryphos> You should always relogin after a KDE upgrade.. if you haven't done that already
[06:07] <CellarDoor> ah thought so
[06:07] <CellarDoor> brb
[06:09] <CellarDoor> yes
[06:09] <CellarDoor> its all good
[06:09] <CellarDoor> :)
[06:10] <hussam> nikkia: on #NVIDIA, they told me that the kernel tarball does have the headers to compile the driver module
[06:10] <nikkia> hussam, did i say it didn't ?
[06:10] <nikkia> hussam, you asked if it'd work, i said 'yes'  :)
[06:10] <CellarDoor> Now I wonder if Konqueror will stop crashing 
[06:10] <nikkia> hussam, all the nvidia installer cares about, is /lib/modules/$VERSION/build being setup right, and that is done as part of the build process
[06:11] <hussam> nikkia : oh sorry, I meant they said, if did not have the headers
[06:11] <hussam> nikkia : did not*
[06:11] <nikkia> hussam, they're liars, or stupid, one or the other
[06:12] <nikkia> hussam, given that the kernel headers are part of, and required to build, the kernel, it wouldn't make much sense for them NOT to be included in the kernel tarball
[06:17] <hussam> nikkia: yeah I agree with you. I was just surprised when someone in #NVIDIA told me the kernel tarball didn't have the headers. they are probably mistaken
[06:18] <nikkia> hussam, they're very much mistaken:  '41M     /usr/src/linux-2.6.12.3/include/'
[06:20] <dionysus> hussam, the only person in #nvidia who said anything was me, and I said I didn't know as I tend to use kernel-source (or linux-source as it seems to be now) packages rather than kernel.org kernels
[06:22] <dionysus> anyone using a nforce4-based motherboard able to tell me if the amd74xx.ko module is what i should be irritated at for not giving me my sweet DMA or should I be looking for something else for that?
[06:23] <nikkia> dionysus: its the most likely culprit
[06:24] <Wizzard> ppl, where can I find the newest dcgui for Kubuntu? 
[06:24] <hussam> Ok nikkia, dionysus, thanks guys, I gotta go now :)
[06:25] <dionysus> hmm....had hoped it was only for the older nforce boards (google seems to turn it up in reference to nforce2 chipsets more than anything else)....ah well :/
[06:26] <nikkia> dionysus: it does seem to be mostly nForce/2/3
[06:26] <dionysus> Wizzard, 0.80 is in universe, anything newer I guess you'd have to look at apt-get.org or compiling from source
[06:26] <nikkia> but it lists MCP04 too, which i think is the nForce 4
[06:27] <_ubuntu> If I install KDE on ubuntu, how do I do the switch session thing?
[06:27] <Wizzard> thx, dionysus
[06:27] <apokryphos> _ubuntu: once you log out just select a different Session
[06:28] <dean> microsoft lost her shame>> news.com.com/Microsoft,+Apple+in+iPod+patent+tussle/2100-1047_3-5830435.html?tag=nefd.pop
[06:28] <_ubuntu> apokryphos: where do I do that?
[06:28] <nikkia> actually, it looks like MCP04 is nForce 5, nForce 4 is CK804, also handled by the amd74xx module
[06:28] <_ubuntu> apokryphos: its on the login page?
[06:28] <apokryphos> _ubuntu: in the login page, buttom-left
[06:29] <Tm_lag> o/
[06:29] <dionysus> nikkia, ah k cool....so I do have the right module running, its just deciding to play silly buggers on me......heh well ty for the help :)
[06:29] <apokryphos> s/buttom/bottom
[06:29] <nikkia> dionysus: might be worth turning on debugging, and seeing what gets printed by the module on load
[06:30] <dionysus> nikkia, cool, will give that a go, dmesg sure isn't giving me anything :(
[06:30] <dionysus> nikkia, ty again :)
[06:30] <_ubuntu> apokryphos, thanks
[06:34] <Eremit> hi
[06:35] <Eremit> can someone help me with my first kubuntu installation?
[06:35] <Eremit> perhaps in german?
[06:35] <OculusAquilae> Eremit: german channel is #kubuntu-de
[06:36] <Eremit> oh. ok.
[07:01] <wincide> hi all, do someone use tomcat ??
[07:01] <wincide> i don't know how to test if a local-tomcat is running
[07:02] <CellarDoor> anyone else updated to KDE 3.4.2 here ?
[07:02] <CellarDoor> Cause I have a question 
[07:03] <CellarDoor> Where did the Control Centre go ?
[07:03] <osfameron> evenin'
[07:03] <CellarDoor> evenin'
[07:04] <osfameron> I just tried to install Kontact on ubuntu (not kubuntu, but apokryphos pointed me in this direction)
[07:04] <osfameron> and get "Cannot load part for mail: Library files for "libkmailpart.la" not found in paths"
[07:04] <osfameron> hello :-)
[07:05] <CellarDoor> ah rite
[07:05] <osfameron> didn't work with KDE 342 rep added either
[07:05] <apokryphos> osfameron: you upgraded your kde already?
[07:06] <osfameron> apokryphos, um, well I asked it to reinstall Kontact
[07:06] <osfameron> and was hoping that the package magicment would just do the right thing
[07:06] <osfameron> :-)
[07:06] <apokryphos> Should probably be ok; what's the error again?
[07:06] <apokryphos> and you did of course restart Kontact, right?
[07:06] <osfameron> "Cannot load part for mail: Library files for "libkmailpart.la" not found in paths"
[07:07] <osfameron> yup I killed the old one before the install
[07:07] <osfameron> (actually, while the files were downloading, which I *think* amounts to the same thing)
[07:07] <apokryphos> as long as you restarted it once it was installing properly, no, it's fine
[07:08] <osfameron> heh, I'm enjoying the no reboots part of linux :-)
[07:08] <apokryphos> you don't have libkmailpart.la in  /usr/lib/kde3?
[07:08] <osfameron> doesn't look like it
[07:09] <osfameron> nope
[07:09] <osfameron> there's a whole load of other lib*.la and .so in there but not that one
[07:10] <apokryphos> osfameron: can you try closing kontact, doing a sudo apt-get remove --purge kmail   and then reinstalling just kmail?
[07:10] <apokryphos> that la should come with kmail.. no idea why you don't have it :|
[07:10] <osfameron> cool, I'll try that
[07:10] <CellarDoor> Control Centre is gone from the K menu
[07:11] <CellarDoor> Is that supposed to happen ?
[07:11] <osfameron> apokryphos, "Package kmail is not installed, so not removed"
[07:11] <osfameron> which would explain a lot
[07:11] <CellarDoor> hah
[07:11] <apokryphos> osfameron: :)
[07:11] <apokryphos> osfameron: I guess Kontact on Ubuntu doesn't bring it in...
[07:11] <apokryphos> osfameron: sudo apt-get install kdepim
[07:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey. Could I ask for a little help regarding some broken packages?
[07:11] <apokryphos> that will bring in all the things that integrates with kontact
[07:12] <osfameron> ah, I installed Kontact not kdepim (using synaptic, but that shouldn't make the difference)
[07:12] <apokryphos> ah, so I see; kontact pack just recommends those others, doesn't depend. 
[07:12] <CellarDoor> The System Icon has a little kubuntu symbol on the monitor now... nice touch
[07:13] <osfameron> apokryphos, thanks - I'll try installing kdepim now :-)
[07:13] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: I think the System Menu now is used... not sure of the defaults though, and I don't use kmenu at all 8)
[07:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyone?
[07:14] <apokryphos> right-click -> Panel Menu -> Add to Panel -> Special Button -> System .... if you don't have it
[07:14] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: you don't need to ever ask to ask, really :)
[07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, okay then
[07:15] <CellarDoor> apokryphos: hmm I thought thats what they might have intended... ok, thanks... having Control Centre back in there will put me back in my comfort zone ;P
[07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm trying to install globulation2 via backports and I get this
[07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X>   glob2: Depends: libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.0-7) but 1:4.0-0pre6ubuntu7 is to be installed
[07:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> E: Broken packages
[07:17] <apokryphos> Rogue_Jedi_X: you using the official backports? You don't have the old backport repo, do you?
[07:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There are two? The one I have is deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[07:18] <apokryphos> That's not backports, really; that's hoary-extras
[07:18] <apokryphos> despite the URL ;-)
[07:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops
[07:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> !backports
[07:19] <ubotu> backports are applications with newer versions on a stable distributions. Ubuntu backports can be found in the hoary-backports section
[07:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hm, I think I got it now. Thanks for clearing that up
[07:21] <apokryphos> if the package is genuinely broken, you might like to report it. Though, this is the #kubuntu channel, and that doesn't sound liek a kde app ;-)
[07:21] <apokryphos> (not to bugzilla, though)
[07:22] <osfameron> apokryphos, ta, that now has a whole load more stuff to play with :-)
[07:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It's a RTS game. Not sure if it's KDE or Gnome, though. I think it might be just X
[07:45] <wincide> does exist a qt version of firefox ????
[07:45] <wincide> i have a lot of problems with flash and konqueror
[07:46] <wincide> sometimes can't show the text
[07:46] <Dhraakellian> yes, there does, but only development versions, afaik
[07:46] <Dhraakellian> and they're not terribly stable
[07:46] <wincide> and mozilla browser needs gtk ???
[07:47] <Dhraakellian> on linux, yes
[07:47] <wincide> not firefox
[07:47] <Dhraakellian> XUL on linux uses gtk
[07:47] <wincide> XUL???
[07:48] <CellarDoor> Does anyone know if and how to get the ubuntu update manager to work in KDE ? Does it dock in the systray ? I installed it but it doesn't start up even from the K menu
[07:49] <Dhraakellian> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XUL
[07:50] <CellarDoor> ooh
[07:50] <CellarDoor> wait a sec
[07:50] <Dhraakellian> well, so maybe I misspoke slightly
[07:50] <CellarDoor> hmm the thing wont start up
[07:50] <Dhraakellian> but yeah, Mozilla stuff uses gtk on linux
[07:51] <CellarDoor> I just get the hourglass treatment
[07:51] <wincide> *hit , i need a browser
[07:51] <wincide> but not konqueror 
[07:51] <wincide> flash doesn't go well on konqueror
[07:51] <apokryphos> Works fine here
[07:51] <Dhraakellian> there's Opera, if you can't stand Firefox with gtk
[07:51] <apokryphos> then again, so does my flash in FF.
[07:52] <luigino> anyone here knows what should mean this :0. in this log message: Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Opened PAM session. luigino : :0. ?
[07:52] <Dhraakellian> opera uses Qt, not that you'd notice it, what with the theming
[07:52] <Tm_lag> Opera sucks
[07:52] <apokryphos> Tm_lag: :-O
[07:52] <Dhraakellian> and it's not F/OSS, if you care about such things
[07:52] <CellarDoor> was that Opera or Oprah ?
[07:52] <CellarDoor> ;)
[07:52] <Tm_lag> =)
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> CellarDoor, I don't think Oprah is F/OSS either
[07:53] <wincide> i don't want gtk :(
[07:53] <CellarDoor> hahaha
[07:53] <Tm_lag> yes, that's the one
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> wincide, having to install gtk isn't so bad
[07:53] <Dhraakellian> what gets me is the gnome deps in kubuntu
[07:53] <apokryphos> Tm_lag: what's bad about Opera?
[07:53] <wincide> it's installing more packagers to do the same :\
[07:53] <Tm_lag> just don't like it
[07:53] <wincide> *packages
[07:54] <apokryphos> Dhraakellian: yeah; little incosiderate ;-)
[07:54] <Dhraakellian> (and the fact that the file dialog in the ubuntu build of Firefox is just plain annoying)
[07:54] <Tm_lag> way it works, handle cookies and stuff etc
[07:55] <apokryphos> Opera for Windows here; smooth/slick.
[07:55] <Dhraakellian> while firefox on linux doesn't quite give me the same dirty feeling that IE on windows gives me, I still don't like it
[07:55] <Tm_lag> :/
[07:55] <apokryphos> someone did a video comparison of the Gnome/KDE Open File.. dialog... very funny
[07:55] <Tm_lag> I use Firefox mostly
[07:56] <Tm_lag> I remember
[07:56] <Tm_lag> now :/
[07:56] <nikkia> :/
[07:56] <nikkia> thankfully, it'll only be a 20 minute boot, flash, reboot
[07:56] <Dhraakellian> apokryphos, I booted up to my windows partition just before I installed kubuntu
[07:56] <nikkia> well, 'flash' isn't the right word
[07:56] <Dhraakellian> but that was just so that I could make sure that the installation still worked
[07:56] <Tm_lag> I have to use windows to get irc
[07:56] <Dhraakellian> after scaling the partition down from 30GB to 10B
[07:56] <nikkia> but the only reason i need to run windows tomorrow is to disable RPC2 on a new DVD+RW
[07:57] <Dhraakellian> the only time I actually use Windows is when I'm on campus
[07:57] <Tm_lag> (yes, I can irc with my phone but it's painful)
[07:57] <Dhraakellian> if those computers could boot from CD, I'd be using a liveCD
[07:57] <jeffm_> hey guys
[07:57] <nikkia> Tm_lag: there ARE irc clients for linux, you know :P
[07:57] <jeffm_> lol
[07:57] <jeffm_> im having wireless network troubles
[07:58] <Tm_lag> eh
[07:58] <Tm_lag> but no drivers for my data cable
[07:58] <Dhraakellian> xchat, konversation, irssi, etc
[07:58] <apokryphos> d'oh, they deleted it from the drive
[07:59] <jeffm_> my wireless lan card shows up on the computer, but i cant connect to any networks
[07:59] <Tm_lag> haha
[07:59] <Tm_lag> fucking gprs
[07:59] <Dhraakellian> XiRCON?
[07:59] <nikkia> tm, buy a better phone :P
[07:59] <Tm_lag> yup
[07:59] <Dhraakellian> what's that?
[07:59] <Tm_lag> nikkia this IS better phone
[08:00] <nikkia> tm, clearly not
[08:00] <nikkia> tm, i can get online with mine just fine using either the data cable OR bluetooth
[08:00] <jeffm_> does anyone have experience with wireless networking?
[08:00] <Tm_lag> cx70 as my modem
[08:00] <Tm_lag> siemens it is
[08:00] <nikkia> tm, and i get ~300-400Kbps from it when i do :P
[08:01] <nikkia> (which is really great knowing i can rack up a massive phone bill in mere seconds :)
[08:01] <jeffm_> ping google.com
[08:01] <Tm_lag> nikkia well, it's all about usb cable emulating com, normal com cable works fine in linux
[08:02] <nikkia> Tm_lag: no, mine is with a USB cable too
[08:02] <Tm_lag> eh
[08:02] <Tm_lag> =)
[08:02] <nikkia> Tm_lag: it appears as a standard USB serial port
[08:02] <Tm_lag> yay
[08:02] <Tm_lag> nice
[08:02] <nikkia> it appears as /dev/ttyUSB0 or something
[08:02] <nikkia> its more fun using rfcomm tho
[08:02] <Tm_lag> maybe it's just me with no skills then ;)
[08:03] <nikkia> perhaps :P
[08:03] <jeffm_> google.com
[08:03] <Tm_lag> jeffm_ we got it already thank you ;)
[08:04] <Tm_lag> Dhra: xircon is one of the newest irc clients =)
[08:05] <Dhraakellian> link?
[08:05] <Tm_lag> www.xircon.com/
[08:05] <nikkia> god, i remember when xircon was all there was for GUI irc on linux
[08:05] <Tm_lag> =)
[08:05] <nikkia> tm, stop being evil
[08:05] <Tm_lag> yup, that's the one
[08:05] <nikkia> Tk/Tcl junk :P
[08:05] <Tm_lag> beautiful and all ] ;=
[08:05] <nikkia> tm, don't make me kick you!
[08:06] <Tm_lag> =)
[08:06] <nikkia> tm, in fairness... the 'whiteboard' feature was/is nice
[08:06] <Tm_lag> uhm
[08:06] <nikkia> really really annoys non xircon users in a channel tho
[08:06] <Tm_lag> whiteboard?
[08:07] <nikkia> tm, xircon has a whiteboard, it opens a drawing window, and anything you draw there is sent to everyone on the same channel(s) as you via ctcp
[08:07] <Tm_lag> ah
[08:07] <nikkia> likewise, if another xircon users in the same channel draws on the whiteboard, it appears on yours
[08:07] <nikkia> s/users/user/
[08:07] <nikkia> of course, being Tk based, its an UGLY whiteboard, but still
[08:07] <Tm_lag> =)
[08:08] <Tm_lag> bah! I download irssi to windows and use it
[08:09] <Tm_lag> I hate gui clients
[08:10] <luigino> nikkia may I ask you if this log message: "Aug 15 21:12:08 localhost entrance: Replacing Entrance with simple login program to wait for session end. " would mean Entrance wont really start the environment I choose but starts the kdm then starts kde?
[08:11] <nikkia> luigino: no idea, never used 'entrance'
[08:11] <Dhraakellian> Tm_lag, why would you need windows for irssi?
[08:11] <luigino> ok
[08:12] <luigino> thanks anyway nikkia :)
[08:12] <Tm_lag> dhraakellian I don't as soon as I get gprs working in linux, but until...
[08:13] <Dhraakellian> ah
[08:15] <Tm_lag> doh
[08:22] <Tm_lag> I hate my life
[08:26] <ValheruLord> hi all.... i have installed kubuntu but i cannot connect to internet with my ethernet connection.. my eth card is ok but when i start dhclient it receves nothing from modem
[08:27] <ValheruLord> can anyone that has ideas
[08:28] <yns> I'm having the same problem :)
[08:28] <ValheruLord> can ubuntu device database establish my connection automatically
[08:36] <Tm_lag> good enough, ChatZilla
[08:38] <jake1> i am so confused
[08:38] <jake1> why is it that i respond to the ! character
[08:38] <jake1> what the hell is happening
[08:38] <jake1> !
[08:38] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, jake1
[08:39] <jake1> !
[08:39] <jake1> !jake1
[08:39] <ubotu> jake1: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
[08:39] <jake1> !info
[08:39] <Tm_lag> !weather
[08:39] <jake1> no response
[08:39] <jake1> someone says i respond to the bot character
[08:40] <jake1> but i don't
[08:40] <jake1> i already got banned from #ubuntu 
[08:40] <jake1> but i dnt see anything happening
[08:40] <Tm_lag> =)
[08:41] <jake1> Tm_lag do you notice anything?
[08:41] <jake1> cuz i dnt
[08:41] <jake1> and i have no clue what anyone is talking about
[08:41] <Tm_lag> =)
[08:41] <Tm_lag> muha
[08:41] <jake1> ummmm
[08:42] <jake1> ok....
[08:42] <jake1> is that a yes or no
[08:42] <jake1> ?
[08:55] <deinde> hello pax, need help with fat32, big problem
[08:57] <deinde> anyone can help me with ubuntu crash reading file on fat32 partition?
[09:02] <deinde> is there anyone?
[09:02] <Tm_lag> :o
[09:02] <phreakys> hi
[09:03] <Tm_lag> no! don't talk to me!
[09:03] <phreakys> :)
[09:03] <phreakys> is there a way i can check easily whats running on what port?
[09:03] <phreakys> 80 seems to be blocked :/
[09:03] <deinde> hello Tm_lag can u help me with problems with fat32 problem?
[09:03] <Tm_lag> ...
[09:04] <Tm_lag> did I said something? ] ;=
[09:04] <deinde> ....:-(
[09:05] <Tm_lag> hmm, so tell me, maybe I can help
[09:05] <deinde> thank u TM_lag, when I read a file under the fat32 partition the system stop, and I can't do anything
[09:06] <Tm_lag> uh
[09:06] <Tm_lag> nice
[09:07] <deinde> thanks!
[09:07] <deinde> I make only nice errors!
[09:07] <deinde> ;-P
[09:08] <Tm_lag> so, system stops... the partition is in the very same HD than your root partition?
[09:08] <deinde> phisically yes
[09:09] <Tm_lag> hmm
[09:09] <Tm_lag> any possibility to have broken partition?
[09:10] <deinde> how can I get it?
[09:11] <phreakys> i dont understand...something is fucking on port 80 :/
[09:11] <phreakys> and its not apache :"(
[09:12] <phreakys> someone can shine a light on this?
[09:13] <deinde> silly question?
[09:13] <phreakys> yea, i guess :/
[09:14] <phreakys> i just need a tool that shows me whats going on, on my ports
[09:14] <phreakys> you know a good one deinde?
[09:14] <deinde> tell me
[09:14] <deinde> but silly was for me
[09:14] <phreakys> ow, ah
[09:15] <deinde> for my question to TM_lag
[09:15] <phreakys> ah well...no question is silly
[09:15] <deinde> have u got any idea for my problem? 
[09:16] <phreakys> you are using windows?
[09:16] <bufalo73> phreakys, nmap and top?
[09:16] <phreakys> cool, tnx bufalo
[09:17] <deinde> I have dual boot, I'm under ubuntu and when I try to read the fat32 partition all stop
[09:17] <deinde> Tm: are u still there?
[09:17] <phreakys> windows stops?
[09:17] <Tm_lag> deinde oh yes
[09:18] <deinde> phreakys: no ubuntu
[09:18] <Tm_lag> hmm hmm
[09:18] <deinde> Tm_lag: any idea to discover if partition are broken? (I never had problems with winxp)
[09:19] <phreakys> hm, kill windows and try wine? :/
[09:19] <Tm_lag> =)
[09:19] <Tm_lag> kill all and die?
[09:19] <phreakys> lol
[09:20] <bufalo73> deinde, fsck
[09:20] <phreakys> yea, something like that
[09:20] <phreakys> kamikaze
[09:21] <deinde> bufalo73: it asks me about sever filesystem damage...
[09:21] <Tm_lag> :o
[09:21] <Tm_lag> =)
[09:21] <Tm_lag> xD
[09:21] <bufalo73> fisical or just logical?
[09:22] <Tm_lag> hmm
[09:22] <deinde> phreakys: I want to leave definetively win, but I need to check linux before
[09:22] <phreakys> yea, go kubuntu
[09:22] <phreakys> make a backup of what you can save, and kill windows
[09:22] <deinde> bufalo73: before starting, it's a beginning questio: 'are u sure....?'
[09:23] <Tm_lag> wfw3.11 \o/
[09:23] <deinde> phreakys: I can't actually, the computer is used by other people that need easy use...
[09:23] <bufalo73> deinde, fsck always asks "r u sure" because it can f*ck the filesystem
[09:23] <phreakys> well, kubuntu is easy use
[09:24] <phreakys> ive installed all stuff and shit i could find to make it feel like windows for now
[09:24] <deinde> phreakys: at the end I will try your solution..:-)
[09:24] <Tm_lag> !
[09:24] <ubotu> Tm_lag: Bugger all, i dunno
[09:24] <phreakys> k ;)
[09:24] <Tm_lag> noooo!
[09:25] <Tm_lag> you! shame!
[09:25] <deinde> bufalo73: first message i_blocks must be 64....fix?
[09:26] <bufalo73> deinde, before going on "man fsck" in other terminal
[09:27] <deinde> phreakys: I need to use good music software
[09:27] <phreakys> there is some stuff for linux
[09:27] <phreakys> esd and glame
[09:27] <phreakys> but i guess not all software is for linux yet. maybe it runs through wine though :)
[09:28] <deinde> bufalo73: it is for repairing ubuntu filesystem, but ubuntu seems ok, it is reading fat32 partition I have problems
[09:29] <phreakys> is there something like doskey for the linuxconsole?
[09:29] <PieD> what does doskey do ?
[09:29] <phreakys> im getting rsi here
[09:29] <phreakys> its for shortcuts
[09:29] <PieD> what kind of shortcuts ?
[09:29] <CellarDoor> up arrow
[09:29] <phreakys> like f3 gives the last typed line
[09:29] <phreakys> or up
[09:29] <phreakys> omg
[09:29] <phreakys> lol
[09:30] <phreakys> sorry
[09:30] <PieD> ....
[09:30] <phreakys> its allready included
[09:30] <PieD> that's provided by default :)
[09:30] <phreakys> hehe
[09:30] <PieD> that's a MUST HAVE feature :)
[09:30] <deinde> Tm_lag: did u abbandon me?
[09:30] <PieD> (and it works far better in linux shells)
[09:30] <Tm_lag> hmm
[09:30] <phreakys> yea, its working :)
[09:31] <deinde> Tm_lag: I think u have no ideas?
[09:31] <phreakys> is there also autocomplete filename?
[09:31] <deinde> come soon ....
[09:31] <Tm_lag> not really
[09:31] <phreakys> doskey has it ;)
[09:32] <phreakys> ah well...its ok
[09:32] <deinde> okay I leave now, come back after...bye and thanks
[09:32] <PieD> phreakys: doskey doesn't do anything that linux shells don't do
[09:33] <phreakys> ehm, my bad...its 4dos
[09:33] <c0rrupt_> hello
[09:33] <phreakys> just a nifty tool for dos in the old days
[09:34] <c0rrupt_> im trying to install nessus, but i get the error thati need the gtk "stuff"
[09:34] <c0rrupt_> Package gtk+-2.0 was not found in the pkg-config search path...
[09:34] <c0rrupt_> apt-get something..?
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> its the nessus 2.5.5 sh installer
[09:35] <phreakys> apt-cache search nessus
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> well
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> i installed nesuss through apt-get
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> but it was the old version
[09:35] <phreakys> apt-get is fucking great
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> and i couldnt add any new plugins
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> yes i know
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> i already used it
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> for nessus
[09:35] <c0rrupt_> but all i got was the old version and old plugins
[09:36] <luigino> anyone using Entrance + Enlightenment DR17?
[09:36] <c0rrupt_> even when i registered
[09:36] <c0rrupt_> SO
[09:36] <c0rrupt_> what do i need to install this bastard
[09:36] <c0rrupt_> GTK
[09:36] <c0rrupt_> can anyone help
[09:36] <bufalo73> c0rrupt_: apt-cache search gtk+
[09:36] <pax> phreakys: have you tried alias?
[09:37] <phreakys> no, ill try that. tnx pax! :D
[09:37] <c0rrupt_> bufalo73, it comes up with about 50 entries
[09:38] <c0rrupt_> i tried to install the libgtk2.0-dev
[09:38] <c0rrupt_> but it has all of the dependencies
[09:38] <c0rrupt_> which in turn have their own dependencies
[09:38] <pax> phreakys: alias -p in console to see what you already have
[09:38] <phreakys> ok, i installed alias
[09:39] <phreakys> cool
[09:40] <pax> you already have it
[09:40] <pax> alias auth='tail -f /var/log/auth.log | loco' <- one mines
[09:40] <phreakys> hm, no its not doing anything but showing alias ls='ls --color=auto' 
[09:41] <phreakys> maybe i installed the wrong package?
[09:41] <pax> one of mines*
[09:41] <phreakys> you made it?
[09:42] <phreakys> ah, ic 
[09:42] <phreakys> alias commands
[09:42] <phreakys> cool
[09:42] <pax> you could alias 'apt-get install' with just 'install' or couple of letters :)
[09:42] <pax> alias is installed by default, you just need to read about it
[09:42] <phreakys> heh,  thats fun
[09:42] <pax> phreakys: check your .bashrc you'll find the usage
[09:43] <phreakys> i got some info here http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_alias
[09:43] <phreakys> i guess its the same thing 
[09:43] <pax> wep
[09:44] <phreakys> is alias started on boot?
[09:44] <Tm_lag> =)
[09:45] <pax> let's see: alias sagi='sudo apt-get install' :D
[09:45] <pax> yes if they are in your .bashrc
[09:46] <pax> if you use alias in console then they'll be gone at the end of the session
[09:46] <phreakys> lol
[09:46] <phreakys> yea, thats a good one
[09:46] <pax> alias the command I mean
[09:46] <phreakys> arg
[09:47] <phreakys> cant save em?
[09:47] <Tm_lag> =)
[09:47] <phreakys> alias path='echo $path' 
[09:48] <pax> so now typing 'sagi kvirc' will get you  kvirc
[09:48] <phreakys> :)
[09:48] <pax> yeah great feature for lazy people like myself :c)
[09:48] <phreakys> hehe
[09:48] <phreakys> yea, but cant save the aliases somewhere?
[09:49] <pax> if you put your alias in .bashrc then they are saved forever
[09:49] <phreakys> ah great
[09:49] <nikkia> pax, i wouldn't bother 'sagi kvirc'ing tho :P
[09:49] <nikkia> pax, the version in the repos is about 2 years out of date :P
[09:49] <pax> look at your .bashrc you'll find a section for alias there 
[09:50] <phreakys> i tried the command tail, but now my terminal freezes :)
[09:50] <phreakys> whats it for?
[09:51] <nikkia> phreakys: it shows the last few lines of a file
[09:51] <phreakys> ah, cool
[09:51] <pax> nikkia: I dun like kvirc either :c)
[09:51] <nikkia> phreakys: without a filename passed to it, it assumes you want to 'tail' the input, so its waiting for the end of file from the console :)
[09:51] <phreakys> i found the bashrc btw 
[09:51] <nikkia> pax, freak!
[09:51] <phreakys> ah :)
[09:52] <nikkia> phreakys: lots of unix commands work on stdin without a specified filename
[09:52] <phreakys> im kinda new to it all nikkia :)
[09:52] <nikkia> its so you can do stuff like 'grep -i failed /var/log/auth.log | tail -5'
[09:52] <pax> alias syslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog'
[09:52] <phreakys> ah, like getting errormessages?
[09:52] <pax> if you want colored logs, install loco
[09:53] <pax> then it becomes alias syslog='tail -f /var/log/syslog | loco'
[09:53] <nikkia> phreakys: that command i wrote above, looks in the auth log (which is where security related messages go) and finds all lines with 'failed' in them, and then only prints the last 5
[09:53] <pax> >:c)
[09:53] <phreakys> sweet
[09:54] <phreakys> ill put some cool aliases in
[09:54] <pax> wep, grep is good for that
[09:55] <phreakys> ehm, alias grep -i failed /var/log/aut.log | tail -5 ?
[09:55] <phreakys> arg
[09:55] <nikkia> phreakys: i wouldn't bother aliasing that, it was just an example of how piping commands works :)
[09:55] <phreakys> ah ok :)
[09:55] <nikkia> phreakys: its not a particularly useful command, unless you want to see the last 5 failed things :)
[09:56] <phreakys> hell yea, its a cool feature :)
[09:56] <pax> phreakys: so still comperaring dos to linux emulators?
[09:56] <phreakys> naaah
[09:56] <phreakys> this rules, but gotta know how to use it first ;)
[09:57] <CellarDoor> hey folks, has anyone in here ever done this: "sudo apt-get moo"
[09:57] <nikkia> CellarDoor: yes, and i'm still waiting for my lawyer to get back to me on suing the author of apt-get for my 10 seconds of my life back!
[09:57] <CellarDoor> hahahaha
[09:58] <luigino> people.... which file should read the default-display-manager and then launch the login manager in it?
[09:58] <phreakys> i made sacs to :)
[09:58] <nikkia> phreakys: i'll let you into a secret...
[09:59] <phreakys> cool
[09:59] <nikkia> after a few years of using linux, you'll give up on using aliases, because they're a bit of a pointless waste of time once you can type fast enough and know the commands well enough :)
[09:59] <phreakys> sagi
[10:00] <phreakys> now thats 2 seconds faster
[10:00] <phreakys> than sudo apt-get install
[10:00] <nikkia> there are just too many potential combinations of commands, and its too much hassle to bother setting up aliases each time you try a new distro :)
[10:00] <phreakys> yea, i guess ur right. but its fun anyhow
[10:00] <pax> yes, try aptitude -v moo
[10:00] <phreakys> i just stumbled on a program called satan
[10:00] <nikkia> phreakys: oh, yeah, everyone does it, at first
[10:01] <phreakys> its fun those shortcuts
[10:01] <nikkia> phreakys: i'm just saying, its something you'll give up on eventually, once you know the commands
[10:01] <pax> and .. aptitude -v -v moo
[10:01] <phreakys> ok :)
[10:01] <pax> nikkia: lazy stays lasy (me) :D
[10:01] <nikkia> i don't think i know anyone thats been using unix systems for more than 5 years that uses aliases other than 'ls='ls --color=auto' :)
[10:02] <bufalo73> pax, apt-get moo? ;)
[10:02] <phreakys> its cool
[10:02] <phreakys> cool command
[10:02] <phreakys> nice colours :D
[10:02] <phreakys> can i make an alias of dir and replace it with ls?
[10:03] <nikkia> phreakys: nah, a cool command is when you start to write 1 liners that are about 500-600 characters long, and do some incredibly complicated task :)
[10:03] <nikkia> phreakys: um, no :P
[10:03] <phreakys> ah k
[10:03] <nikkia> phreakys: try typing 'dir' :)
[10:03] <phreakys> yea, i know ;)
[10:03] <nikkia> you could if you wanted, but really, whats the point, dir IS an alias to ls, effectively
[10:04] <phreakys> List Stuff or what does it stand for?
[10:04] <bufalo73> nikkia: sometimes, when I have to touch windogs I do an ls :P :)
[10:04] <nikkia> phreakys: officially, noone really knows
[10:05] <nikkia> phreakys: it was just a shortcut for LiSt on systems before unix though
[10:05] <phreakys> ah k 
[10:05] <phreakys> man, im still amazed with the size of the software database i can choose of
[10:05] <phreakys> repository ive im right :)
[10:06] <benjamin1254> yeah same here its awsome and mostly all free
[10:06] <nikkia> phreakys: even that isn't a complete set of software
[10:06] <nikkia> there is a lot of more obscure apps that aren't in the repositories
[10:06] <benjamin1254> brb all
[10:06] <phreakys> cool :)
[10:07] <phreakys> im glad ive chosen kde btw...its great
[10:07] <CellarDoor> kde r0x0rz
[10:07] <bufalo73> nikkia: spetially many games
[10:07] <phreakys> :)
[10:09] <phreakys> only thing that needs to work again is apache <)
[10:18] <ValheruLord> DHCPdiscovere on sitho(etho degisiyo) to 255.255.255.255 porta 67
[10:19] <ValheruLord> No DHCpoffers receieved
[10:19] <ValheruLord> no working leases in persistent database . sleeping..
[10:19] <ValheruLord> does anyone have ideas??
[10:19] <CellarDoor> does anyone have any opinions on Kpackage ?
[10:20] <CellarDoor> anyone have any opinions on Kpackage ?
[10:20] <debian> hello
[10:21] <CellarDoor> hello
[10:21] <debian> somebody know the spanish lenguage?
[10:21] <CellarDoor> not me
[10:21] <phreakys> kpackage is ok :)
[10:22] <debian> the kubuntu is exactly than debian
[10:22] <debian> not is best
[10:22] <debian> not is more easy
[10:22] <Tm_lag> haha
[10:22] <CellarDoor> phreakys I just installed it and was wondering how it compares with kynaptic and synaptic
[10:23] <Tm_lag> debian: (K)Ubuntu does have more gui approach as default
[10:23] <debian> yeah
[10:24] <Tm_lag> but hey, Debian IS easy :)
[10:45] <phreakys> i want to reinstall apache, but when i apt-get remove apache2, nothing is really deleted
[10:45] <PieD> phreakys: the config files aren't deleted, that's normal
[10:45] <PieD> apt-get purge apache2 will remove them
[10:45] <phreakys> when i delete the config files, and reinstall, will it write new ones?
[10:45] <phreakys> ah, cool
[10:46] <phreakys> thank you
[10:46] <PieD> off course it will !
[10:46] <phreakys> just to be sure :)
[10:49] <phreakys> ow shit
[10:49] <phreakys> i removed the /etc/apache2
[10:49] <phreakys> and reinstalled with apt-get install apache2
[10:49] <phreakys> but its not back :/
[10:50] <phreakys> *dang* i should have made a backup :/
[10:50] <supernix> Hi
[10:50] <phreakys> hi
[10:51] <supernix> I am curious is there a program that will allow you to alter a whole group of images in a folder ?
[10:51] <phreakys> ehm, i had such a program
[10:51] <supernix> I wanted to adjust all the images to a certain size
[10:52] <phreakys> not sure if i can recall it
[10:52] <PieD> phreakys: ??
[10:52] <PieD> why didn't you do apt-get purge apache2 ?
[10:52] <PieD> remove apache2
[10:52] <PieD> purge it
[10:53] <PieD> and then install it !
[10:53] <PieD> you're trying to do the package manager job, but you can't do it right
[10:57] <jake1> it has taken me 2 months to download Tiger
[10:57] <jake1> and it is still working on it
[10:57] <jake1> CRAZY
[10:57] <PieD> Tiger ? Mac OS X Tiger ?
[10:58] <jake1> no Windows Tiger
[10:58] <jake1> yes Mac OS X Tiger
[10:58] <jake1> it better work
[10:58] <jake1> or i will cry
[10:58] <PieD> kubuntu is better
[10:59] <jake1> i wouldn't use it for Video design
[10:59] <jake1> or editing
[10:59] <jake1> i choose to use my G5 for that
[10:59] <jake1> running OS X with Final Cut Pro
[10:59] <jake1> Shake
[10:59] <jake1> Massive
[10:59] <jake1> Maya
[10:59] <PieD> jake1: thanks, such behaviour help decreasing the quality of free softwares
[11:00] <PieD> don't look at free alternatives off course
[11:00] <jake1> PieD: i pirate everything
[11:00] <jake1> oops... i mean
[11:00] <jake1> i buy it legally
[11:00] <PieD> are you proud off it ?
[11:00] <jake1> proud of what?
[11:00] <jake1> i get all the software from work
[11:00] <jake1> i need it for work
[11:01] <jake1> everyone else uses Mac OS X for work
[11:01] <PieD> proud of pirating softwares
[11:01] <PieD> why are you here ?
[11:01] <PieD> provocation ?
[11:03] <phreakys> my apache2.conf file is gone :/
[11:03] <phreakys> i believe it was std on the disk before i installed apache
[11:04] <phreakys> anyone can help me plz?
[11:04] <PieD> phreakys: there is no way to restore deleted files
[11:04] <phreakys> arg
[11:04] <PieD> apt doesn't remove configuration when removing a package, that's all
[11:04] <phreakys> no, i did
[11:04] <phreakys> mistake :/
[11:04] <PieD> you did a mistake, you're yet in the next part of administrators
[11:04] <PieD> there are two kinds of administrators :
[11:05] <PieD> those who did a mistake
[11:05] <PieD> and those  who are going to make one
[11:05] <phreakys> ehm, yea, im the first i guess
[11:05] <phreakys> but before that mistake i was the second
[11:05] <phreakys> lol
[11:06] <phreakys> any idea how to recover such a file?
[11:06] <phreakys> its a standard apache2.conf file
[11:06] <phreakys> in etc/apache2
[11:07] <PieD> phreakys: you just can't
[11:07] <PieD> that's already too late
[11:07] <phreakys> arg..
[11:08] <PieD> modern file systems don't allow file recovering
[11:08] <phreakys> but...cant i get a new one somewhere?
[11:08] <PieD> because the file is deleted, and quickly something is rewritten
[11:08] <PieD> I told you already two times :
[11:09] <PieD> just do apt-get remove apache2
[11:09] <PieD> then purge and then install it
[11:09] <phreakys> ok, ill try to remove every trace of apache 
[11:09] <PieD> DON'T REMOVE MANUALLY
[11:09] <phreakys> ok :)
[11:11] <PieD> (to purge : dpkg --purge apache2)
[11:11] <phreakys> ah, cool
[11:12] <phreakys> its saying that its allready deinstalled
[11:12] <phreakys> /etc/apache2 still exists though
[11:12] <jake1> PieD: cuz i use Kubuntu
[11:12] <jake1> that is why i am here
[11:13] <jake1> however that said... i also use Mac OS X 
[11:13] <jake1> and there is nothing wrong with that
[11:13] <PieD> and you're provocating by telling you're pirating softwares
[11:13] <PieD> for me that's provocation
[11:13] <jake1> i dunno... is using works software considered pirating?
[11:14] <PieD> do you own a license ?
[11:14] <jake1> i mean i did borrow their CDs to put it on my computer
[11:14] <jake1> they do
[11:14] <jake1> and i am using it for Work
[11:14] <PieD> do YOU own a license ?
[11:14] <PieD> did you read the license when you installed the software ?
[11:14] <jake1> no i have affilation with the people who do own the license
[11:14] <PieD> the EULA on microsoft softwares
[11:14] <jake1> yes it supports unlimited computers
[11:14] <jake1> it's not Microsoft
[11:14] <PieD> no
[11:15] <PieD> a license isn't unlimited
[11:15] <PieD> (for proprietary softwares)
[11:15] <jake1> Final Cut Pro the version we have supports unlimited amount of clients
[11:15] <jake1> or computers
[11:15] <PieD> there are always restrictions
[11:15] <PieD> no
[11:15] <jake1> YES
[11:15] <PieD> computers in the enterprise
[11:15] <jake1> it cost 10,000 dollars
[11:15] <PieD> not for you at home
[11:15] <jake1> yes this computer is part of the enterprise
[11:15] <jake1> it is their computer
[11:15] <jake1> they own it
[11:15] <jake1> it's just at my house
[11:15] <PieD> that's not what you said
[11:16] <jake1> i didn't say anything along the lines of who owned the computer
[11:16] <jake1> so it was up to you to decide i was stealing their software
[11:16] <PieD> it's not common having at fome a computer from an enterprise
[11:16] <jake1> it isn't?
[11:17] <jake1> well that's news to me
[11:17] <jake1> many have laptops
[11:17] <PieD> I never saw people doing that
[11:17] <jake1> well then you need to get out more
[11:17] <PieD> I saw people owning laptops
[11:17] <PieD> but no laptop given without restriction by an enterprise
[11:17] <jake1> around here i can think of six different companies off the top of my head that give employees computers
[11:18] <jake1> my father's laptop is given by an enterprise
[11:18] <jake1> no strings attached
[11:18] <jake1> he can do what he wants on it
[11:18] <jake1> he has administration on it
[11:18] <PieD> Does somebody know when X.org 7.0 will be available in breezy ?
[11:18] <PieD> Will they package RC or only the final release ?
[11:18] <jake1> but for now i gotta go
[11:18] <adrack> ?
[11:20] <phreakys> damn, i messed up good L:/
[11:21] <phreakys> ow plz, can anyone send me an out of the box apache2.conf file from ubuntu?
[11:21] <pax> 6.8.2-x is what breezy uses
[11:21] <phreakys> i messed it up :/
[11:23] <pax> oh wait, corey is saying it's already 7.0
[11:25] <nikkia> pied, not until after its released, at a guess :P
[11:26] <nikkia> 7.0rc1 is not a public release
[11:26] <PieD> nikkia: not public ? :/
[11:26] <PieD> I didn't know that
[11:27] <nikkia> pied, try finding it from www.x.org
[11:27] <PieD> the rc1 is not released :p
[11:27] <PieD> currently, it's rc0 :)
[11:27] <PieD> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/X11R7.0-RC0/
[11:27] <PieD> rc1 is to be released in a few days
[11:27] <nikkia> yes, try finding it on www.x.org
[11:28] <PieD> that website was never uptodate
[11:28] <nikkia> its a 'beta' effectively, i can't see kubuntu going with a beta of X, so, like, stfu :)
[11:28] <nikkia> it'll be in when its released
[11:28] <PieD> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[11:29] <PieD> nikkia: ok
[11:29] <nikkia> yes, note THAT DOESN'T SAY 7.0 HAS BEEN RELEASED, either
[11:29] <PieD> nikkia: off course I know it's not released
[11:29] <PieD> but I'm surprised the rc isn't packaged for users to test it
[11:29] <nikkia> pied, i doubt its even remotely stable
[11:30] <phreakys> lol...found another poor chap with the same problem :)
[11:30] <phreakys> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/archive/63/2005/06/3/330096
[11:30] <phreakys> pfew
[11:31] <pax> phreakys: http://ninux.net/files/apache2 just change User and Group back to www-data
[11:31] <nikkia> pied, remember, 7.0 is pretty close to the complete rewrite of X that X.org promised
[11:32] <PieD> really ?
[11:32] <PieD> I didn't know that
[11:32] <nikkia> pied, its not just 'an update', it has the Xserver stripped bare and everything modularised
[11:32] <PieD> I believed they was only splitting
[11:32] <nikkia> pied, read the wiki link you posted, where it says what 7.0 will be
[11:32] <PieD> then that's far greater than what I expected !
[11:33] <PieD> nikkia: I only saw they're now using a new build system
[11:33] <nikkia> pied, when 7.0 is released, 6.9 should be released around the same time
[11:33] <PieD> (and that they have yet more "packages" than gnome :/)
[11:34] <nikkia> you'll see most distros stick with 6.9 for the near future
[11:34] <PieD> 6.9 rc0 was released with 7.0rc0
[11:34] <phreakys> pfew, lifesave
[11:34] <PieD> mandrake developers told me 7.0 packages were on the way to cooker
[11:34] <PieD> (but not for their "2006" release)
[11:35] <PieD> the ubuntu wiki said breezy was going to have X.org 7.0
[11:35] <nikkia> pied, around a year from now is when i'd expect 7.0 to be available in distros, tbh
[11:35] <PieD> along with the yet-dead Xgl
[11:35] <PieD> fedora core 5 is likely to have it, isn't it ?
[11:35] <jesusfish> crimsun: any word on those debs?
[11:36] <crimsun> I'm building them right now
[11:36] <nikkia> pied, if it does, it could be a very risky move by the fedora people
[11:36] <jesusfish> sweet
[11:36] <PieD> nikkia: how risky can it be ?
[11:36] <PieD> It's only packaging
[11:37] <nikkia> pied, no, its not 'only packaging'
[11:37] <PieD> you have the same functionnalities in 6.9 and 7.0
[11:37] <nikkia> pied, to modularize X, means ripping large chunks of X apart, there are god only knows how many old packages that struggle with Xorg already
[11:37] <nikkia> pied, functionality yes, does that mean that all the libraries will interact the same way? no
[11:39] <nikkia> pied, i'm just saying it'd be a risk to go with an X that is a 'new architecture', before its been adequately tested by people willing to put up with breakage
[11:39] <supernix> I was wondering if this was the correct syntax for renaming a folder of jpg files 
[11:39] <PieD> if everybody say that, it'll never be ready !
[11:39] <nikkia> PieD: sure it would
[11:40] <supernix> I was going to write: foreach *.jpg convert -resize 1280x1024
[11:40] <supernix> would that be right ?
[11:40] <nikkia> pied, you think KDE 4.0 is just going to be dumped on the public without testing?
[11:40] <nikkia> supernix: that's not renaming :P
[11:40] <PieD> I'm going to test it :)
[11:40] <PieD> (from svn)
[11:40] <supernix> nah I just wanted to resize them
[11:41] <PieD> but a test from developers isn't like a test from thousands of users
[11:41] <nikkia> and no, convert doesn't do inplace file operations
[11:41] <supernix> not sure what you mean by inplace file operations ?
[11:41] <nikkia> supernix: inplace operations are operating on a named file and saving it to the same filename
[11:42] <supernix> oic
[11:42] <nikkia> supernix: convert, like many unix programs, expects an input and an output filename
[11:42] <nikkia> supernix: so you'd want to do, something like:  mkdir NEW; for i in *.jpg; do ; convert $i -resize 1280x1024 NEW/$i; done
[11:43] <nikkia> (foreach is csh, not (ba)sh_
[11:45] <supernix> ty nikkia I shall read up and learn more about this
[11:45] <supernix> I am curious how come I specified 1280x1024 but it is actually doing 1280x959
[11:45] <nikkia> because its a bug in convert
[11:46] <supernix> dang hmmm any work around for the bug ?
[11:46] <nikkia> actually, it might not be, the bug i ran into, was that i'd specify 1280x1024 and it'd do 960x1280 or some wacky stuff
[11:47] <nikkia> if its doing 1280x959 it might be 'ok' but sticking to the same aspect ratio
[11:48] <nikkia> supernix: to be perfectly blunt, i've given up on stuff like that for images
[11:48] <nikkia> supernix: i find its usually quicker to write a python/PIL script to do the job
[11:48] <supernix> I see why
[11:49] <supernix> it is also messing up on some of the thumbnails
[11:49] <nikkia> IM/Convert has some general annoying things too
[11:49] <nikkia> it tends to get the alpha channel on TGA files wrong, for example
[11:49] <supernix> some of them look kinda funny like having grey half way through the image even though the image looks fine in full scale
[11:49] <nikkia> supernix: yeah, thats another thing i've seen IM do
[11:50] <nikkia> as i said, i use python/PIL :)
[11:50] <supernix> I did see some ruby and tcl and perl front ends for the imagemagick program but not sure what to do with them or how they work
[11:50] <phreakys> hm, apache works again, but the virtual hosts wont work. i checked /sites-enabled/000-default and edited this:
[11:50] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337780
[11:50] <nikkia> if you even remotely know your way around python, it takes about 20 minutes to learn how to do image processing things :)
[11:50] <nikkia> supernix: no, PIL is a far better bet, if you use a front end to IM, you'll still be constrained by its flaws
[11:50] <phreakys> did i forget anything in this debian config? 
[11:51] <supernix> nikkia: are you saying that python can do image editing like that by itself ?
[11:51] <nikkia> supernix: with PIL installed, yes
[11:51] <nikkia> supernix: and more
[11:51] <supernix> ah I didn't know that 
[11:51] <supernix> I was thinking about learning a programming language looks like python might be what I need
[11:52] <supernix> hmmm as I recall mailman is totally written in python
[11:52] <nikkia> supernix: you could resize all files to 1280x1024 with the following python:    import Image   import sys     files = sys.argv[1:]    for i in files:     im = Image.open(i)    new_im = im.resize((1280,1024))  new_im.save(i)
[11:53] <nikkia> (obviously you'd need to break those lines up, and get the indentation right)
[11:53] <supernix> They need a shell script for that 
[11:54] <supernix> Something that asks the destination and file types and then poof your done
[11:54] <[Surge] > How do I find a package that contains a file i need? I'm using synaptic but can't find the file.
[11:54] <nikkia> but the fact is, its almost shorter than the bash command line to use convert... and if you want to do something else besides the resize, it gets even quicker :)
[11:54] <nikkia> supernix: if you saved that to a .py file, you just run the file with *.jpg as a parameter, and it'll resize all your images :)
[11:55] <supernix> :D
[11:56] <supernix> I use coppermine on the server so I am betting they have a setting to do that automatically
[11:57] <nikkia> supernix: 
[11:57] <nikkia> Ball8.png:     PNG image data, 720 x 592, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
[11:57] <nikkia> nikki@nikki:/tmp/test$ ../resize.py *.png
[11:57] <nikkia> Ball8.png:     PNG image data, 1280 x 1024, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
[11:57] <crimsun> jesusfish: I'll have to fix it tonight; it's barfing on a trivial thing that I can't fix atm due to time.
[11:58] <supernix> so you mean that is the same script you showed earlier ?
[11:58] <nikkia> yes
[11:58] <brk3> please please tell me amaroks going to be updated in the repos.. 1.3 is out!
[11:58] <supernix> very nice indeed
[11:58] <nikkia> i just typed it into an editor, took all of 30 seconds, and ran it on a bunch of .png files i had handy
[11:58] <[Surge] > smbstatus is missing from the kubuntu install. Anyone know what package it's supposed to be in?
[11:58] <crimsun> brk3: what repos?
[11:58] <supernix> can I just copy and paste that script to a py file and it work ?
[11:59] <nikkia> supernix: not exactly as it is no, you need to fix the intendation
[11:59] <nikkia> supernix: want me to cut and past it in private message?
[11:59] <brk3> crimsun: what're they called.. the kubuntu respitories
[11:59] <supernix> sure that would be so great
[12:00] <crimsun> brk3: I'm working on it tonight.
[12:00] <crimsun> brk3: mine won't be official, though.
[12:01] <brk3> crimsun: your the man
[12:01] <brk3> where will it be?
[12:02] <brk3> im so excited
[12:02] <brk3> cant wait to get it
[12:02] <nikkia> heh, forgot to turn flood protection on :P