[09:05] <volvoguy> we're..... not very organized, are we? :-P
[09:42] <woodwizzle> lol
[09:43] <volvoguy> fo shizzle woodwizzle 
[09:43] <woodwizzle> arn't we supposed to get a art.gnome.org type website sometime soon?
[09:45] <volvoguy> yeah. it's been a little over a week now that i heard that we had our server and canonical wanted to know what we wanted on it. i haven't heard back since. i'm assuming Jeff Waugh is trying to find out how to get the art.gnome.org code.
[09:46] <woodwizzle> I'm sure that once thats done. Things might start moving forward.
[09:47] <woodwizzle> have you seen appeal.kde.org ?
[09:47] <volvoguy> no. is that something new?
[09:47] <woodwizzle> well its new to me =) Just saw it on osnews
[09:47] <volvoguy> hmm... looks interesting.
[09:49] <woodwizzle> Yeah, I disagree with some of the stuff they're doing and/or how they're doing it, as I do with most KDE projects, But I like that KDE puts a lot of importance on the art sides of things. 
[09:50] <volvoguy> i think our general plan is to launch the art.gnome.org lookalike site and let the community go to town with submitting artwork. the art team will then be able to pick and choose what might work well in the main distro and develop ideas from there.
[09:53] <woodwizzle> We might end up with a lot of duplicate content with art.gnome.org .Even kde-look and gnome-look have a lot of identical stuff
[09:55] <volvoguy> actually, there's a plan in the works to make that not happen. the art.gnome.org folks are working on a SOAP backend that would basically make all those sites like "artwork repositories". they're building synaptic-like functionality into the "gnome-art" app where you can pick which "repository" you want to see artwork from - then automatically download and install it. 
[09:56] <woodwizzle> Like kde's get hot new stuff framework? http://kstuff.org/
[09:57] <volvoguy> actually, the kde site isn't participating as much as the other sites unfortunately, but yeah - i think that site is their take on the general idea. 
[09:58] <volvoguy> hopefully they'll keep it compatible enough with the other project that the whole thing works ok.
[09:58] <woodwizzle> I hope a cross-desktop solution is reached =)
[09:58] <woodwizzle> hehe, i mean ditto
[09:59] <volvoguy> yeah. i'm not sure how they'll handle that - end users trying to apply kde themes to a gnome desktop and such - but i'm sure they're taking that into consideration.
[09:59] <volvoguy> i'm just kind of a coordinator, so the most i can do is research the thing and tell the ubuntu devs about it. that's about where my power ends.
[10:00] <volvoguy> i hang out on the gnome-art irc channel though and try to keep up on what they're doing.
[10:00] <woodwizzle> In the meantime, what other goals does the ubuntu art team have? Is there anything I or others could contribute to now? Or is everything on hold for the website?
[10:02] <volvoguy> well, the icon theme is the biggie. icons need to be converted from SVG to various bitmap sizes, and completely new SVG icons still need to be created to complete the set. that's probably our top priority.
[10:02] <woodwizzle> the new humanity set?
[10:03] <volvoguy> second would be the 6 "calendar" background images for breezy. that'll probably be lots of voting and arguing, but i hope the community can make those this time around.
[10:03] <volvoguy> yeah - currently titled "humility".
[10:03] <woodwizzle> The only way to get them is through the breezy repos right?
[10:04] <volvoguy> i'm not sure if they've made it there or not yet. you can get 'em right from Andrew (the main designer) - http://andy.fitzsimon.com.au/humility-icons.tar.bz2
[10:04] <volvoguy> Just extract to /usr/share/icons/ 
[10:06] <volvoguy> i haven't been able to get a "todo" list out of Andrew yet, but i assume he keeps that tarball up to date. you could poke around and compare it to a more complete icons set to see what isn't done yet.
[10:06] <volvoguy> i'd get in touch with him before you do any work though.
[10:10] <woodwizzle> these are nice =)
[10:11] <volvoguy> yeah. i really like 'em. 
[10:12] <woodwizzle> Its somewhat odd that the volume applet faces the other direction with them
[10:14] <volvoguy> Andrew has WAY more experience in icon design than I do. he only uses colors from the approved list and uses transparency and gradients (also approved colors) to get the ones he wants. then you can just do search and replace on the SVG files to change from blue to red for example. 
[10:14] <volvoguy> pretty slick stuff. 
[10:17] <woodwizzle> Yeah these are very cool. I need more inkscapre practice I think =-)
[10:18] <volvoguy> i can't wait until Breezy is a little more stable. Inkscape .42 made it in and it's a MAJOR upgrade. it has some awesome new tools.
[10:18] <woodwizzle> The flow to text tool for one
[10:19] <woodwizzle> The new gimp looks pretty awesome too, but I doubt it'll make it to breezy
[10:19] <woodwizzle> I can't wait to try out SIOX though
[10:19] <volvoguy> SIOX? i don't know that one.
[10:20] <volvoguy> ogra!
[10:21] <ogra> hey
[10:21] <ogra> :)
[10:21] <woodwizzle> its a new selection tool in gimp 2.3.3 or 2.4 stable
[10:21] <woodwizzle> http://www.siox.org/
[10:22] <woodwizzle> it used to be a plug-in but its getting adapted as a genuine selection tool.
[10:22] <woodwizzle> Hello Ogra
[10:22] <volvoguy> ooh. cool. maybe worth a hand compile. :)
[10:22] <woodwizzle> Yeah might be =)
[10:23] <woodwizzle> The might've actually one-up photoshop for once
[10:23] <woodwizzle> although I think I'd kill for a gimp healing brush
[10:24] <volvoguy> me too.
[10:24] <volvoguy> i pretty much have to dual-boot. losing photoshop and illustrator is like cutting off my right arm.
[10:25] <woodwizzle> I've all but given up photoshop. I think the gimp is getting better and better. I never really used illustrator though. Is inkscape far behind?
[10:27] <volvoguy> inkscape is more intuitive. it's almost a different beast though because it tries to conform exclusively to SVG specs. illustrator doesn't care about that, so it has a lot more "goodies">
[10:36] <volvoguy> ugh. i'm starting to crash. i've been trying to wrangle Ubuntu on this testing laptop that canonical gave me and it's just nuts. it's so "new and improved" that even breezy doesn't recognize most of the hardware. grrr.... i've been up almost 3 days trying to get it to do SOMETHING. 
[10:36] <woodwizzle> what kinda laptop is it?
[10:37] <woodwizzle> I'm running hoary on a vaio over here
[10:37] <volvoguy> a Toshiba Portege S100. Intel Centrino thingie... 1.73Ghz, SATA 60Gb drive, software RAID (yes, in a laptop!)...
[10:38] <woodwizzle> SATA on a laptop!!!
[10:38] <volvoguy> hoary doesn't recognize the cd drive (and jeff waugh said it never will) and Breezy doesn't recognize the HDD. so basically i've gotten nowhere. 
[10:38] <woodwizzle> does it really fit in a lap =)
[10:39] <volvoguy> yeah. and an empty space for a second SATA drive to do raid striping.
[10:39] <volvoguy> believe it or not, it's a super-light category laptop. like 4 pounds. magnesium shell or something. 
[10:40] <woodwizzle> I have one desktop with sata. It was a BITCH to get setup though. I finally resorted to using gentoo and patching the hell outta my own kernel to get it working
[10:41] <volvoguy> i have a machine with SATA, but i installed Hoary on an IDE drive. once installed it didn't have any problems accessing the SATA drive. the installer didn't like it though.
[10:43] <volvoguy> hey, have you ever tried gimp's "html-export"? i was just helping a guy on ubuntu-users with it and it's totally insane. doesn't work like photoshop's - it makes an HTML table cell for every pixel in the image. is that nuts or what?!
[10:43] <woodwizzle> thats nuts alright
[10:43] <woodwizzle> I've never used it before though
[10:44] <woodwizzle> I always set my own guides and then crop by hand
[10:44] <volvoguy> as a test i exported a 40K jpg image and it generated a 140 megabyte html file!
[10:44] <volvoguy> yeah. me too.
[10:44] <woodwizzle> does it do that if you put guides in the image? Maybe its an error if you don't have any guides for it to follow
[10:46] <volvoguy> not sure. i just opened and exported. still... html cells as pixels? i guess they were trying to do something between a real image and an ascii text image. *shrug* weird.
[10:46] <volvoguy> needless to say, i started opening it 15 minutes ago in firefox and it hasn't started dispaying anything yet. lol.
[10:50] <woodwizzle> what menu is this tool under?
[10:50] <volvoguy> it's just under File > Save As. Then pick "HTML".
[10:51] <woodwizzle> you might wanna try filter > web > py-slice
[10:52] <woodwizzle> I think saving as an HTML file might actually mean saving it as a table grid of pixels. Interesting, but I have no idea who would use that feature
[10:52] <volvoguy> do you need to set up the slices somewhere first? 
[10:53] <volvoguy> yeah... that's what the html export does. pointless except for anything but icon sized images maybe.
[10:54] <woodwizzle> i think it uses guides. As in drag from the rulers to set your guides just as in photoshop
[10:54] <volvoguy> gotcha...
[10:58] <volvoguy> beautiful. yep, that's what he needs to do. too bad he went to bed already. :) i'll find him tomorrow.
[10:59] <woodwizzle> lol
[10:59] <woodwizzle> np
[10:59] <woodwizzle> speakin' of bed. I should go too hehe
[11:00] <volvoguy> yeah. me too. talk to you later all!