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| mpt | How do I tell what's in Breezy main without installing it? | 01:08 |
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| Burgundavia | packages.ubuntu.com | 01:08 |
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| mpt | tomboy, hoary universe only | 01:11 |
| mpt | oh, bad default form | 01:11 |
| Burgundavia | yes | 01:11 |
| mpt | tomboy, breezy main | 01:11 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 01:11 |
| mpt | Would tomboy be the only app in main that doesn't require you to Save your work? | 01:12 |
| Burgundavia | probably | 01:12 |
| mpt | ok | 01:12 |
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| Burgundavia | what are you working on? | 01:12 |
| mpt | <section id="saving"><title>Saving documents</title> | 01:13 |
| Burgundavia | which doc? | 01:13 |
| mpt | Ubuntu Help | 01:13 |
| mpt | How does <link> work in DocBook? | 01:15 |
| mpt | It's not in DocteamDocbookTags (which is probably a bad sign) | 01:16 |
| Burgundavia | no idea | 01:16 |
| mpt | ah, http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html-ng/link.html | 01:18 |
| mpt | "endterm" | 01:19 |
| mpt | that was, like, totally obvious | 01:19 |
| mpt | oh, "linkend" | 01:19 |
| mpt | ewwwww | 01:25 |
| mpt | The yelp XSL or whatever it is really needs some work | 01:35 |
| mpt | I don't want "Section 4.4 - Changing the name of an item", I want "Changing the name of an item" | 01:35 |
| Burgundavia | sorry, canna help ya | 01:40 |
| mpt | It's a froud job, I guess | 01:40 |
| mpt | Is he in or out of the Ubuntu Doc team this week? | 01:41 |
| Burgundavia | jeffsch or jerome might also be able to help you | 01:41 |
| Burgundavia | froud, unknown | 01:41 |
| Burgundavia | he might have actually meant it this time | 01:41 |
| mpt | "this time"? | 01:41 |
| mpt | Is there a mailing list post or something? | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | I think so | 01:42 |
| Burgundavia | no idea and I don't really care | 01:42 |
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| Flonne | mpt, I'm familiar with DocBook if you want me to take a look at whatever. | 02:09 |
| mpt | Flonne: That would be great ... Are you familiar with GNOME's use of DocBook? | 02:38 |
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| Flonne | Yelp? | 02:48 |
| mpt | yes | 02:49 |
| Flonne | Yeah. | 02:49 |
| mpt | Flonne: There are several things I'd like to know how to do | 02:50 |
| mpt | they're listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHelp | 02:50 |
| mpt | Some of them may not even be possible in yelp, I don't know | 02:50 |
| mpt | and I guess the only way to fix some of them will affect every document shown in yelp, not just the one I'm editing | 02:51 |
| Madpilot | Yelp won't do local XSL stylesheets or something similar? | 02:52 |
| Flonne | I'm fairly sure Yelp can use alternative style definitions (like CSS or XSL), so you'd just need to include another file. | 02:53 |
| mpt | I don't know anything about XSL yet, but I'm keen to learn :-) | 02:53 |
| Flonne | I think Previous and Next will have to be overridden, since Yelp inserts those automatically. | 02:54 |
| Flonne | The frame may have to be toggled by the user. | 02:54 |
| Flonne | If we're still using xinclude or something similar (I've been gone for a while), adding your own style shouldn't be too difficult. | 02:55 |
| Flonne | Are you working out of SVN? If so, I can play with the styles in about two hours. | 02:57 |
| mpt | No, baz | 02:58 |
| mpt | See the "How to hack the help" section of that page | 02:58 |
| Flonne | Ah. There are instructions below. | 02:58 |
| Flonne | Yeah. I just noticed them. | 02:58 |
| Flonne | I *have* been gome a long time. :( | 02:58 |
| Flonne | gone* | 02:58 |
| mpt | What did you used to do? | 02:59 |
| Flonne | Not much... | 02:59 |
| Flonne | I wrote several chapters for a userguide draft, but they were lost when the repository split, and then I just started looking for documents and Wiki pages in need of editing. | 03:00 |
| Flonne | And then I forgot to budget money for an Internet connection over the summer. Being a student sucks. | 03:01 |
| mpt | heh | 03:01 |
| mpt | I've been there | 03:01 |
| Flonne | ...But, yeah. I'll try to get some of those done tonight. | 03:02 |
| mpt | Awesome, that would be great | 03:02 |
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| Flonne | O.o | 03:02 |
| Flonne | I stole the name from a game. | 03:02 |
| mpt | That's roughly what I thought you'd say | 03:02 |
| Flonne | It's probably fairly common. | 03:02 |
| mpt | I guessed O_o instead of O.o, but hey | 03:03 |
| Flonne | Ah. | 03:03 |
| mpt | You'll probably gasp at the horribleness of my markup | 03:04 |
| mpt | I'm still learning DocBook | 03:04 |
| mpt | but tonight I have learnt <xref>! | 03:04 |
| Flonne | It's pretty hard to mess it up. It usually only validates one way. | 03:04 |
| Flonne | xref is awesome. | 03:04 |
| mpt | Yes, and yelp crashes if you make a mistake | 03:04 |
| mpt | though I think that's been fixed since Hoary | 03:05 |
| Flonne | I'm sure I'll find some way to crash it under Breezy. | 03:05 |
| mpt | uh oh | 03:06 |
| mpt | phone's ringing | 03:06 |
| Flonne | "Whoo! I've got Internet access again! Hmm... I wonder if the development branch is open yet... It is? Yay!" | 03:06 |
| mpt | and I'm in Brazil and don't speak PT | 03:06 |
| mpt | brb | 03:06 |
| mpt | Enjoying Ubuntu, then? :-) | 03:07 |
| mpt | (phew, it was an English speaker) | 03:07 |
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| Flonne | I've been enjoying it since someone jokingly installed it into swap on my Gentoo box and disguised it in menu.lst. :) | 03:20 |
| mpt | Iiiiinteresting | 03:21 |
| mpt | My girlfriend uses Gentoo | 03:21 |
| mpt | She much prefers purple to brown. | 03:21 |
| Flonne | I prefer white to brown. winter-OB3 is great. | 03:23 |
| Madpilot | mpt: you could just install Ubuntu, re-skin it purple, and see if she notices? ;) | 03:24 |
| mpt | Madpilot: I'd also have to uninstall Metacity, install Ion, set Thunderbird as the mail client, and probably half a dozen other things that I don't even know | 03:25 |
| mpt | Flonne: My search - winter-ob3 - did not match any documents. What kind of color scheme is that? | 03:26 |
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| mpt | hi mgalvin | 03:28 |
| mgalvin | hey pt | 03:28 |
| rob^ | hi | 03:29 |
| mgalvin | hey all | 03:29 |
| mpt | mgalvin: I don't start learning pt for another week and a half | 03:29 |
| mgalvin | oops, s/pt/mpt/ | 03:29 |
| mgalvin | ;) | 03:29 |
| mpt | :-) | 03:29 |
| rob^ | hey is everyone on breeze yet? | 03:33 |
| HrdwrBoB | no | 03:33 |
| mpt | I wanted to install it this weekend | 03:33 |
| mpt | I picked a bad time | 03:33 |
| mgalvin | i am | 03:33 |
| rob^ | I got it running ok on a spare pc | 03:33 |
| mpt | the CD images were unrunnable | 03:34 |
| rob^ | I just installed hoary and apt-get updated it | 03:34 |
| mpt | (produced unrunnable installations, I mean) | 03:34 |
| rob^ | dist-upgrade-ed it | 03:34 |
| mgalvin | 20050812.2 works | 03:34 |
| Flonne | It's one of Gentoo's OpenBox GTK2 themes. Want it? | 03:34 |
| mgalvin | thats the one i used | 03:34 |
| Flonne | I dist-upgraded Breezy, too. | 03:35 |
| Flonne | It's... broken. | 03:35 |
| Flonne | Usable, but some libraries aren't quite stable. | 03:35 |
| Flonne | (amd64 on a laptop) | 03:35 |
| rob^ | amd64 yeah | 03:35 |
| rob^ | I'm just using an old 500mhz pc | 03:35 |
| mpt | I'll download 20050815 ... I want a clean install so I can see exactly what someone installing it from scratch sees | 03:36 |
| rob^ | yep | 03:36 |
| mpt | Otherwise I'll be writing about things that don't exist, and not about things that do | 03:36 |
| mgalvin | there is still the issue where on that cd eth0 doesn't come up right, you have to sudo dhclient eth0 during stage to on con 2 or 3 | 03:36 |
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| mgalvin | s/stage/stage 2/ | 03:37 |
| mpt | Flonne: ob3 screenshots anywhere? | 03:38 |
| mgalvin | http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009594.html | 03:38 |
| rob^ | my mouse doesn't work in breezy though (to lazy to configure it), so I have a vnc connection to it | 03:39 |
| mpt | Flonne: nm, I found one | 03:40 |
| mpt | Someday someone will make a pretty GTK theme | 03:44 |
| Flonne | http://hamsterx.homelinux.org/~rhx/Algol-14-8-05.png If you want to see another one for some reason. | 03:46 |
| mpt | thanks | 03:46 |
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| Liz | wow..we have gotten bigger in here havent we | 04:06 |
| mpt | hi Liz | 04:07 |
| mpt | Still mostly lurkers, I think :-) | 04:07 |
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| mpt | ugh, laptops and sleeping bags are not a good mixture heat-wise | 04:10 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 05:41 |
| jsgotangco | Burgundavia: ping? | 05:41 |
| mpt | hi Jerome | 05:42 |
| jsgotangco | mpt: hey | 05:42 |
| mpt | Flonne: It's nearly 1am, I'm going to sleep ... Let me know how you get on, and thanks | 05:45 |
| Flonne | I gashed my palm on a cupboard, so I'm just starting now. :( | 05:45 |
| mpt | ow | 05:45 |
| Flonne | I'll let you know. | 05:45 |
| mpt | don't reopen any wounds for my sake :-x | 05:46 |
| Flonne | I type DVORAK-Left. I gashed my right palm. I'll be fine. :) | 05:46 |
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| jsgotangco | mpt, ping? | 11:23 |
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| rob^ | is the daily build working? | 12:28 |
| rob^ | doh! | 12:29 |
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| jjesse | morning, finally had a chance to write more this weekend ;) | 02:24 |
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| mgalvin | enrico: ping | 04:16 |
| === rob^ looks | ||
| mgalvin | hey rob^ | 04:17 |
| rob^ | hey Madpilot | 04:17 |
| rob^ | grr | 04:17 |
| rob^ | hey mgalvin | 04:17 |
| enrico | mgalvin: hi | 04:18 |
| mgalvin | hi enrico | 04:20 |
| mgalvin | enrico: did you happen to see the changes I made to the ubuntu-doc deb pakcage? | 04:20 |
| mgalvin | i wondered if you would mind taking a peek since you are the maintainer, i updated it to work with our current plans and wanted to see if you had any suggestions or concerns | 04:22 |
| enrico | mgalvin: I'll have a look | 04:22 |
| enrico | mgalvin: I haven't been tracking it | 04:22 |
| mgalvin | great thanks | 04:23 |
| mgalvin | ok, well i just wanted you to know i modified it, i don't mean to step on toes or anything, i just wanted to get a working package since we are going to be shipping html | 04:24 |
| enrico | mgalvin: no problem with stepping on toes: I can't really claim ownership on that, as I've been inactive for quite some time. I'm basically maintaining while noone else is | 04:25 |
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| mgalvin | enrico: ok cool, i should be able to keep it updated and working, i just don't have upload privs yet... would you still be able to upload it when the time comes? | 04:29 |
| enrico | mgalvin: sure | 04:30 |
| mgalvin | enrico: cool, thanks again | 04:31 |
| mgalvin | enrico: would you mind then if I became the maintainer and add you as comaintainer? | 04:33 |
| enrico | mgalvin: not at all. As soon as you can upload | 04:34 |
| mgalvin | enrico: ok sounds good to me | 04:34 |
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| hno73 | Hello | 04:37 |
| hno73 | About the new server: nI understand there was a conflict with svn in trying to point docteam.u.c to it | 04:37 |
| hno73 | (which makes sense now that I think about it) | 04:38 |
| hno73 | Any objections to just calling the WIP server doc.ubuntu.com? | 04:38 |
| rob^ | no | 04:38 |
| rob^ | what was the conflict? | 04:39 |
| hno73 | On the front page we could link off to mature docs and WIP in separate sections | 04:39 |
| rob^ | yeah I don't mind | 04:40 |
| hno73 | rob^: the svn repository is currently on the maitri server and docteam.u.c points to that | 04:40 |
| hno73 | which we in turn read from to generate pages on the new server | 04:40 |
| hno73 | so if we change that address then we'd have to move the svn repo too | 04:41 |
| hno73 | (which we culd do, but it's a hassle we might not need right now) | 04:41 |
| rob^ | yeah | 04:41 |
| rob^ | well it could just be doc.u.c then | 04:41 |
| rob^ | or docs | 04:42 |
| hno73 | yep, and then we could move the repo to bzr on doc.u.c in due course :) | 04:42 |
| rob^ | I take it there are tools for doing that? | 04:43 |
| hno73 | Yes, they're in the works | 04:43 |
| rob^ | so we don't lose revision history etc | 04:43 |
| rob^ | cool | 04:43 |
| hno73 | See: http://www.bazaar-ng.org/ for what bzr is | 04:44 |
| hno73 | baz and bzr will merge soonish | 04:44 |
| rob^ | arch is written in python? | 04:46 |
| hno73 | no, just bazaar-ng | 04:47 |
| rob^ | how are they going to merge the two? | 04:47 |
| hno73 | that's mainly to speed up development | 04:47 |
| rob^ | well, the fork of arch then | 04:47 |
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| hno73 | bazaar (baz), no think that'sjust built on the arch code | 04:48 |
| rob^ | ah | 04:48 |
| rob^ | but it will end up all being in python | 04:48 |
| hno73 | They will take the cool new features of bzr and possibly reimpliment in a faster language (C) | 04:48 |
| hno73 | don't know | 04:49 |
| rob^ | just reading the faq on that site | 04:49 |
| hno73 | anyway, it will be smooth when it happens | 04:49 |
| mgalvin | hi hno73 | 04:53 |
| mgalvin | no objections here about doc.u.c | 04:53 |
| hno73 | mgalvin: ok, thanks. I'm emailing the list too, just to make sure | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | i think i like docs.u.c, sounds better to me | 04:54 |
| mgalvin | k cool | 04:54 |
| mpt | bzr is going to continue in python | 04:55 |
| mpt | it's quite fast enough | 04:55 |
| hno73 | ok, I'm happy with either. We can vote on the list :) | 04:55 |
| hno73 | mpt: ok, thanks. You've got more up-to-date info than me :) | 04:56 |
| mpt | There will be a pie in someon's face at UBZ related to bzr | 04:57 |
| mpt | someone's | 04:57 |
| hno73 | python is cool (says the ex-FORTAN-hack) | 04:57 |
| hno73 | care to elaborate? | 04:57 |
| mpt | um, how does it go | 04:58 |
| mpt | Robert Collins will get a pie in the face if we Launchpadders aren't doing all our work in bzr before UBZ | 04:59 |
| mpt | and kiko (iirc) will get a pie in the face if we *are* | 04:59 |
| hno73 | cool :) | 05:00 |
| robitaille | UBZ? | 05:00 |
| hno73 | mpt: shouldn't it be the other way 'round though? | 05:01 |
| robitaille | (was that the same pie promised on ubuntu-devl ML the other day? | 05:01 |
| robitaille | :) | 05:01 |
| mpt | oh, no, that pie has already been delivered | 05:01 |
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| enrico | mgalvin: is debian/copyright still valid? It mentions 'Ubuntu Handbook' in gnome/debian | 05:02 |
| mpt | that was because kiko failed to implement the Untriaged bugs page, something else entirely | 05:02 |
| robitaille | too many pies...it's getting confusing | 05:02 |
| enrico | wow. nice framework, lots of translations, even some translated screenshots! | 05:03 |
| hno73 | as long as they are cream pies and not steak and kidney pies | 05:03 |
| mgalvin | enrico: i had left that in there since it is history and didn't want to take it out, but it can be removed, its not necessary to have it there | 05:04 |
| mpt | hno73: Well, Robert C. is lactose-intolerant, so it would need to be dairy-free | 05:04 |
| enrico | mgalvin: fakeroot debian/rules binary in gnome/ gives an empty .deb | 05:05 |
| enrico | mgalvin: make gdeb is not invoked | 05:06 |
| enrico | mgalvin: I'll try to fix it | 05:06 |
| mgalvin | hmm, it worked for me the other day, looking now too... | 05:06 |
| enrico | mgalvin: ok, fix on its way | 05:06 |
| enrico | mgalvin: committed. | 05:08 |
| mgalvin | enrico: got it, thanx | 05:10 |
| enrico | mgalvin: I have XML errors on c/kuserguide.xml | 05:10 |
| enrico | I'll commit the debian/rules updates for kde and you'll maybe look into it | 05:11 |
| mgalvin | enrico: wierd though, it works here without the build target | 05:11 |
| mgalvin | ok | 05:11 |
| enrico | mgalvin: committed | 05:11 |
| enrico | Lots of errors 'No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en". | 05:12 |
| enrico | (in gnome/) | 05:12 |
| enrico | is froud still around? | 05:13 |
| enrico | last commit on the 10th, sounds like yes | 05:13 |
| mgalvin | yea, those happen everywhere, and always have since i started here | 05:13 |
| enrico | maybe he's on vacation | 05:13 |
| mgalvin | yes | 05:13 |
| mgalvin | he is | 05:13 |
| mgalvin | hes around, been busy i think | 05:13 |
| enrico | gnome/ builds fine here | 05:14 |
| enrico | the Co-maintainer field is wrong. Let me fix it | 05:15 |
| enrico | it's "Uploaders" | 05:15 |
| enrico | gnome/ builds the deb fine now; let's see kde | 05:16 |
| mgalvin | oops, i know, i accidentilly typed the wrong thing there, sorry about that | 05:17 |
| enrico | someone committed some mismatched tags in the kuserguide | 05:17 |
| enrico | fixing... | 05:17 |
| enrico | kde .deb is empty | 05:19 |
| enrico | let me see... | 05:19 |
| mgalvin | i copied the ubuntu-docs rules from kubuntu-docs, probably needs the same fix | 05:19 |
| enrico | mgalvin: no, it was missing ../ before build. Fixed | 05:20 |
| enrico | it's 9 megs now :) | 05:20 |
| enrico | wow | 05:20 |
| enrico | the gnome one is 573Kb | 05:20 |
| enrico | something is wrong | 05:20 |
| mgalvin | kubuntu-docs does have more docs in it than ubuntu-docs | 05:21 |
| enrico | you might want to fix the debian/changelog for kde | 05:21 |
| enrico | mgalvin: ah, ok | 05:21 |
| enrico | I'll commit the changes so far. Looks good to me | 05:21 |
| mgalvin | ok, i will talk to froud about that too | 05:22 |
| mgalvin | k, cool | 05:22 |
| enrico | mgalvin: there you go. Try building the packages and see if there's everything. Then, when you need it, I can make an upload | 05:23 |
| mgalvin | building them both now | 05:25 |
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| mgalvin | kde failed... checkign | 05:28 |
| mgalvin | fixed | 05:29 |
| mgalvin | comitted | 05:32 |
| mgalvin | enrico: they both build fine now, thanx | 05:33 |
| enrico | mgalvin: anytime! Does the .debs contain everything they should and install it in the right place? | 05:45 |
| mgalvin | enrico: the final decisions have not been made yet as to what we are going to ship (depends on what gets done in time ;)), the current install locations should be correct | 05:49 |
| rob^ | hey mgalvin, I will be away for about 10 days starting in a few days time | 05:50 |
| rob^ | so don't get too worried when I seem to vanish from the face of the earth for a while | 05:50 |
| mgalvin | rob^: ok, thanks for letting me know | 05:51 |
| mgalvin | :) | 05:51 |
| rob^ | np, bloody work.. | 05:51 |
| mgalvin | work trip, that sux | 05:51 |
| enrico | mgalvin: [tip] to check the contents of a .deb, you can use Midnight Commander as it's able to navigate inside | 05:51 |
| rob^ | heh, yes, considering who I work for | 05:51 |
| mgalvin | enrico: i did not know that, neat | 05:52 |
| rob^ | I think there is a gui app that can do the same also | 05:52 |
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| mgalvin | hehe | 05:57 |
| rob^ | whist installing packages with apt-get | 05:57 |
| mgalvin | it's funny watching it struggle | 05:57 |
| rob^ | yeah, its probably doing about a frame a second | 05:58 |
| rob^ | the hd is going nuts | 05:58 |
| rob^ | its only got 64mb ram in it, running breezy | 05:58 |
| mgalvin | lol | 05:59 |
| mgalvin | gesh | 05:59 |
| rob^ | its installing OOo2, should be intresting to run | 06:01 |
| rob^ | eh poor thing. I'm going to be | 06:02 |
| rob^ | d | 06:02 |
| rob^ | night all | 06:03 |
| mgalvin | night | 06:03 |
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| ploum | Hello | 06:55 |
| ploum | To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a virtualizer software | 06:55 |
| ploum | free | 06:55 |
| ploum | Is there anything easily installable in Hoary ? | 06:56 |
| ploum | (a 30 days trial of vmware or anything like that would be enough) | 06:56 |
| ploum | To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a free (a in beer) virtualizer software | 07:00 |
| mgalvin | ploum: you can use the vmware trial, they will send you a temp serial #, it does work in hoary | 07:16 |
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| venda | enrico: ping | 07:26 |
| mgalvin | venda: hey, i am replying to your email now | 07:27 |
| venda | waz up | 07:27 |
| enrico | venda: hey! | 07:27 |
| venda | crontabs my side just stopped | 07:27 |
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| venda | enrico: make kubuntu is now broke | 07:27 |
| venda | :-( | 07:27 |
| enrico | venda: is that my fault? | 07:27 |
| venda | can make debs | 07:28 |
| enrico | used to work here | 07:28 |
| venda | see ./prepdeb.sh | 07:28 |
| enrico | I didn't touch the makefile! I swear! | 07:28 |
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| venda | with pwd kde/ | 07:28 |
| venda | do ./prepdeb.sh | 07:28 |
| venda | enrico: mgalvin; kde/debian was changed | 07:29 |
| enrico | venda: so, I see now that hte packagew isn't built using the stuff in svn | 07:30 |
| enrico | weird | 07:30 |
| enrico | any reason for it? Usually one does a svn export and builds on it | 07:30 |
| enrico | I see you also do some rm -rf | 07:30 |
| enrico | fine | 07:30 |
| venda | ./prepdeb.sh does exports | 07:30 |
| venda | and prunes folders not required | 07:31 |
| enrico | wouldn't that be enough? svn export . /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; cd /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; rm -rf (what you need); dpkg-buildpackage | 07:31 |
| venda | so making deb size smaller | 07:31 |
| mgalvin | venda: i just told make not to -C kde/, which didn't work outside of prepdeb.sh | 07:31 |
| venda | mgalvin: prepdeb is there to make life easier | 07:32 |
| enrico | venda: goal would be to have predeb get smaller and smaller | 07:32 |
| highvoltage | venda: hi there | 07:32 |
| mgalvin | venda: sure, i just didn't know that when we modified it :-/ | 07:32 |
| mgalvin | i didn't notice that prepdeb was there | 07:33 |
| venda | humm, all I do is have cron run a job executing the script passing it the 5.10 | 07:33 |
| venda | I used it for lnix.net/~froud | 07:34 |
| mgalvin | ok, cool... well i have no objections to rolling back the kde changes since you rely on it being the way it was | 07:35 |
| venda | see http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb | 07:35 |
| venda | what was the problem that prompted your change | 07:36 |
| venda | is there someting you need | 07:36 |
| mgalvin | i only wanted to make ubuntu-docs work anyway | 07:36 |
| mgalvin | i don't need kubuntu-docs to be changed at all | 07:36 |
| venda | ok | 07:37 |
| venda | so next time, just do ./prebdeb.sh 5.10 | 07:37 |
| mgalvin | enrico: what was the initial reason for mod'ing kubuntu-docs package? | 07:37 |
| mgalvin | ok | 07:37 |
| venda | that will do everything for you the result is deb and srcs | 07:37 |
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| venda | do you know how to role back :-) or shall I | 07:38 |
| mgalvin | i think when DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET=kdeb was added it broken the other stages | 07:38 |
| mgalvin | which ever, go ahead an do it so you know you have the proper things there that you need | 07:39 |
| mgalvin | sorry for the breakage | 07:39 |
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| venda | np | 07:39 |
| venda | later | 07:40 |
| mgalvin | later | 07:40 |
| ploum | ths mgalvin | 07:45 |
| ploum | thanks ;-) | 07:45 |
| mgalvin | ploum: np | 07:45 |
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| enrico | dah. I was at the phone | 07:53 |
| enrico | mgalvin: please feel free to revert my changes | 07:53 |
| enrico | however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage | 07:53 |
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| enrico | venda: oh, there you are back. | 07:53 |
| enrico | replay: | 07:54 |
| enrico | dah. I was at the phone | 07:54 |
| enrico | please feel free to revert my changes | 07:54 |
| enrico | however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage | 07:54 |
| enrico | I'd suggest to have as a (long term?) target the idea of not needing the predeb.sh script anymore | 07:54 |
| enrico | as you've seen today, an experienced developer approaching this structure for the first time is going to make messes | 07:55 |
| venda | hmmm | 07:55 |
| enrico | about the DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET, I can't undertsand how that could break things: it was just a better CDBS way of saying that build is "make something" instad of just "make" | 07:55 |
| venda | trick is to move away all the unwanted stuff for th epackage | 07:57 |
| venda | the difference in size is huge | 07:57 |
| venda | hence this method | 07:57 |
| enrico | plus the messup because there are common things in debian/../.., while there should only be a debian/.. | 07:58 |
| enrico | I understand | 07:58 |
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| enrico | why having two debian/ directories, BTW? | 07:58 |
| venda | yeah we have a debian for gnome and a debian for kde | 07:58 |
| enrico | There could be only a debian/, toplevel, building both KDE and GNOME stuff | 07:58 |
| enrico | that way you don't need reshuffling common and libs at least | 07:59 |
| venda | enrico: could be | 07:59 |
| venda | Hmmm | 07:59 |
| venda | see upstream drops | 07:59 |
| enrico | upstream drops? | 07:59 |
| venda | large things | 07:59 |
| enrico | I don't understand | 07:59 |
| enrico | What I mean is that it'd be much better to just do svn export and a bunch of rm -r than also having to reshuffle directories | 08:00 |
| enrico | the difference being that the build system you see on the svn checkout references actually existing directories | 08:00 |
| enrico | so when I look at the dh_install lines, they match what is around | 08:01 |
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| enrico | I'll be back in 20' | 08:02 |
| venda | enrico: mgalvin: for now I have done a role back svn merge -r HEAD:1565 debian debian | 08:26 |
| mgalvin | ok | 08:27 |
| venda | enrico: run ./prepdeb.sh see how it builds, if we can improve and keep the build working it would be good | 08:27 |
| venda | enrico: what's most important is that we won't package src that is not used | 08:30 |
| venda | at present I still have th eproblem of packing the upstream dro[ | 08:30 |
| venda | s/dro[/drop | 08:31 |
| venda | but that could be src used to build html in future | 08:31 |
| venda | k later | 08:31 |
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| mdke | evening | 09:37 |
| mgalvin | hey mdke | 09:38 |
| mdke | heya | 09:40 |
| mdke | i have an idea to pass by you | 09:40 |
| mdke | mgalvin, i know nothing about packaging, which is why I ask. Is it going to be an easy thing to sort out packages for other languages do you think? Like ubuntu-doc-fr or whatever | 09:41 |
| mdke | if so, we might be able to sort it so that the language selector installs the right package automatically, like with the language packs (if there is enough space on the install cd) | 09:42 |
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| mgalvin | mdke: i have not actually created lang specific packages so i have to learn how, but... i don't think its difficult though and it would be nice to be able to do that | 09:52 |
| mgalvin | i am pretty sure its just a matter of creating the packages in debian/control, build all the docs for all langs and in debian/rules just stick them in the proper package (for the most part) | 09:53 |
| mdke | ok cool | 09:55 |
| mdke | the hardest thing might be to get them on the cd | 09:55 |
| mdke | we'll have to speak to the tech board for advice i guess | 09:55 |
| mdke | how big are the packages? | 09:55 |
| mgalvin | yea, the good thing right now is that ubuntu-docs is really small | 09:56 |
| mgalvin | ~590k | 09:56 |
| mdke | just html right? | 09:56 |
| mgalvin | yup | 09:56 |
| mdke | cool | 09:56 |
| mdke | ok we can speak to some devs nearer the time then | 09:56 |
| mdke | great | 09:56 |
| mgalvin | yup, sounds good | 09:56 |
| mpt | wow, Evolution's help is actually pretty reasonable | 11:17 |
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| ranto | I have a rather off topic question. Does anyone know how to charge a documentation project? what's the typical man-hour price? | 12:03 |
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