[01:08] <mpt> How do I tell what's in Breezy main without installing it?
[01:08] <Burgundavia> packages.ubuntu.com
[01:11] <mpt> tomboy, hoary universe only
[01:11] <mpt> oh, bad default form
[01:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[01:11] <mpt> tomboy, breezy main
[01:11] <Burgundavia> indeed
[01:12] <mpt> Would tomboy be the only app in main that doesn't require you to Save your work?
[01:12] <Burgundavia> probably
[01:12] <mpt> ok
[01:12] <Burgundavia> what are you working on?
[01:13] <mpt> <section id="saving"><title>Saving documents</title>
[01:13] <Burgundavia> which doc?
[01:13] <mpt> Ubuntu Help
[01:15] <mpt> How does <link> work in DocBook?
[01:16] <mpt> It's not in DocteamDocbookTags (which is probably a bad sign)
[01:16] <Burgundavia> no idea
[01:18] <mpt> ah, http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html-ng/link.html
[01:19] <mpt> "endterm"
[01:19] <mpt> that was, like, totally obvious
[01:19] <mpt> oh, "linkend"
[01:25] <mpt> ewwwww
[01:35] <mpt> The yelp XSL or whatever it is really needs some work
[01:35] <mpt> I don't want "Section 4.4 - Changing the name of an item", I want "Changing the name of an item"
[01:40] <Burgundavia> sorry, canna help ya
[01:40] <mpt> It's a froud job, I guess
[01:41] <mpt> Is he in or out of the Ubuntu Doc team this week?
[01:41] <Burgundavia> jeffsch or jerome might also be able to help you
[01:41] <Burgundavia> froud, unknown
[01:41] <Burgundavia> he might have actually meant it this time
[01:41] <mpt> "this time"?
[01:42] <mpt> Is there a mailing list post or something?
[01:42] <Burgundavia> I think so
[01:42] <Burgundavia> no idea and I don't really care
[02:09] <Flonne> mpt, I'm familiar with DocBook if you want me to take a look at whatever.
[02:38] <mpt> Flonne: That would be great ... Are you familiar with GNOME's use of DocBook?
[02:48] <Flonne> Yelp?
[02:49] <mpt> yes
[02:49] <Flonne> Yeah.
[02:50] <mpt> Flonne: There are several things I'd like to know how to do
[02:50] <mpt> they're listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHelp
[02:50] <mpt> Some of them may not even be possible in yelp, I don't know
[02:51] <mpt> and I guess the only way to fix some of them will affect every document shown in yelp, not just the one I'm editing
[02:52] <Madpilot> Yelp won't do local XSL stylesheets or something similar?
[02:53] <Flonne> I'm fairly sure Yelp can use alternative style definitions (like CSS or XSL), so you'd just need to include another file.
[02:53] <mpt> I don't know anything about XSL yet, but I'm keen to learn :-)
[02:54] <Flonne> I think Previous and Next will have to be overridden, since Yelp inserts those automatically.
[02:54] <Flonne> The frame may have to be toggled by the user.
[02:55] <Flonne> If we're still using xinclude or something similar (I've been gone for a while), adding your own style shouldn't be too difficult.
[02:57] <Flonne> Are you working out of SVN? If so, I can play with the styles in about two hours.
[02:58] <mpt> No, baz
[02:58] <mpt> See the "How to hack the help" section of that page
[02:58] <Flonne> Ah. There are instructions below.
[02:58] <Flonne> Yeah. I just noticed them.
[02:58] <Flonne> I *have* been gome a long time. :(
[02:58] <Flonne> gone*
[02:59] <mpt> What did you used to do?
[02:59] <Flonne> Not much...
[03:00] <Flonne> I wrote several chapters for a userguide draft, but they were lost when the repository split, and then I just started looking for documents and Wiki pages in need of editing.
[03:01] <Flonne> And then I forgot to budget money for an Internet connection over the summer. Being a student sucks.
[03:01] <mpt> heh
[03:01] <mpt> I've been there
[03:02] <Flonne> ...But, yeah. I'll try to get some of those done tonight.
[03:02] <mpt> Awesome, that would be great
[03:02] <Flonne> O.o
[03:02] <Flonne> I stole the name from a game.
[03:02] <mpt> That's roughly what I thought you'd say
[03:02] <Flonne> It's probably fairly common.
[03:03] <mpt> I guessed O_o instead of O.o, but hey
[03:03] <Flonne> Ah.
[03:04] <mpt> You'll probably gasp at the horribleness of my markup
[03:04] <mpt> I'm still learning DocBook
[03:04] <mpt> but tonight I have learnt <xref>!
[03:04] <Flonne> It's pretty hard to mess it up. It usually only validates one way.
[03:04] <Flonne> xref is awesome.
[03:04] <mpt> Yes, and yelp crashes if you make a mistake
[03:05] <mpt> though I think that's been fixed since Hoary
[03:05] <Flonne> I'm sure I'll find some way to crash it under Breezy.
[03:06] <mpt> uh oh
[03:06] <mpt> phone's ringing
[03:06] <Flonne> "Whoo! I've got Internet access again! Hmm... I wonder if the development branch is open yet... It is? Yay!"
[03:06] <mpt> and I'm in Brazil and don't speak PT
[03:06] <mpt> brb
[03:07] <mpt> Enjoying Ubuntu, then? :-)
[03:07] <mpt> (phew, it was an English speaker)
[03:20] <Flonne> I've been enjoying it since someone jokingly installed it into swap on my Gentoo box and disguised it in menu.lst. :)
[03:21] <mpt> Iiiiinteresting
[03:21] <mpt> My girlfriend uses Gentoo
[03:21] <mpt> She much prefers purple to brown.
[03:23] <Flonne> I prefer white to brown. winter-OB3 is great.
[03:24] <Madpilot> mpt: you could just install Ubuntu, re-skin it purple, and see if she notices? ;)
[03:25] <mpt> Madpilot: I'd also have to uninstall Metacity, install Ion, set Thunderbird as the mail client, and probably half a dozen other things that I don't even know
[03:26] <mpt> Flonne: My search - winter-ob3 - did not match any documents. What kind of color scheme is that?
[03:28] <mpt> hi mgalvin
[03:28] <mgalvin> hey pt
[03:29] <rob^> hi
[03:29] <mgalvin> hey all
[03:29] <mpt> mgalvin: I don't start learning pt for another week and a half
[03:29] <mgalvin> oops, s/pt/mpt/
[03:29] <mgalvin> ;)
[03:29] <mpt> :-)
[03:33] <rob^> hey is everyone on breeze yet?
[03:33] <HrdwrBoB> no
[03:33] <mpt> I wanted to install it this weekend
[03:33] <mpt> I picked a bad time
[03:33] <mgalvin> i am
[03:33] <rob^> I got it running ok on a spare pc
[03:34] <mpt> the CD images were unrunnable
[03:34] <rob^> I just installed hoary and apt-get updated it
[03:34] <mpt> (produced unrunnable installations, I mean)
[03:34] <rob^> dist-upgrade-ed it
[03:34] <mgalvin> 20050812.2 works
[03:34] <Flonne> It's one of Gentoo's OpenBox GTK2 themes. Want it?
[03:34] <mgalvin> thats the one i used
[03:35] <Flonne> I dist-upgraded Breezy, too.
[03:35] <Flonne> It's... broken.
[03:35] <Flonne> Usable, but some libraries aren't quite stable.
[03:35] <Flonne> (amd64 on a laptop)
[03:35] <rob^> amd64 yeah
[03:35] <rob^> I'm just using an old 500mhz pc
[03:36] <mpt> I'll download 20050815 ... I want a clean install so I can see exactly what someone installing it from scratch sees
[03:36] <rob^> yep
[03:36] <mpt> Otherwise I'll be writing about things that don't exist, and not about things that do
[03:36] <mgalvin> there is still the issue where on that cd eth0 doesn't come up right, you have to sudo dhclient eth0 during stage to on con 2 or 3
[03:37] <mgalvin> s/stage/stage 2/
[03:38] <mpt> Flonne: ob3 screenshots anywhere?
[03:38] <mgalvin> http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009594.html
[03:39] <rob^> my mouse doesn't work in breezy though (to lazy to configure it), so I have a vnc connection to it
[03:40] <mpt> Flonne: nm, I found one
[03:44] <mpt> Someday someone will make a pretty GTK theme
[03:46] <Flonne> http://hamsterx.homelinux.org/~rhx/Algol-14-8-05.png If you want to see another one for some reason.
[03:46] <mpt> thanks
[04:06] <Liz> wow..we have gotten bigger in here havent we
[04:07] <mpt> hi Liz
[04:07] <mpt> Still mostly lurkers, I think :-)
[04:10] <mpt> ugh, laptops and sleeping bags are not a good mixture heat-wise
[05:41] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:41] <jsgotangco> Burgundavia: ping?
[05:42] <mpt> hi Jerome
[05:42] <jsgotangco> mpt: hey
[05:45] <mpt> Flonne: It's nearly 1am, I'm going to sleep ... Let me know how you get on, and thanks
[05:45] <Flonne> I gashed my palm on a cupboard, so I'm just starting now. :(
[05:45] <mpt> ow
[05:45] <Flonne> I'll let you know.
[05:46] <mpt> don't reopen any wounds for my sake :-x
[05:46] <Flonne> I type DVORAK-Left. I gashed my right palm. I'll be fine. :)
[11:23] <jsgotangco> mpt, ping?
[12:28] <rob^> is the daily build working?
[12:29] <rob^> doh!
[02:24] <jjesse> morning, finally had a chance to write more this weekend ;)
[04:16] <mgalvin> enrico: ping
[04:17] <mgalvin> hey rob^
[04:17] <rob^> hey Madpilot 
[04:17] <rob^> grr
[04:17] <rob^> hey mgalvin 
[04:18] <enrico> mgalvin: hi
[04:20] <mgalvin> hi enrico
[04:20] <mgalvin> enrico: did you happen to see the changes I made to the ubuntu-doc deb pakcage?
[04:22] <mgalvin> i wondered if you would mind taking a peek since you are the maintainer, i updated it to work with our current plans and wanted to see if you had any suggestions or concerns
[04:22] <enrico> mgalvin: I'll have a look
[04:22] <enrico> mgalvin: I haven't been tracking it
[04:23] <mgalvin> great thanks
[04:24] <mgalvin> ok, well i just wanted you to know i modified it, i don't mean to step on toes or anything, i just wanted to get a working package since we are going to be shipping html
[04:25] <enrico> mgalvin: no problem with stepping on toes: I can't really claim ownership on that, as I've been inactive for quite some time.  I'm basically maintaining while noone else is
[04:29] <mgalvin> enrico: ok cool, i should be able to keep it updated and working, i just don't have upload privs yet... would you still be able to upload it when the time comes?
[04:30] <enrico> mgalvin: sure
[04:31] <mgalvin> enrico: cool, thanks again
[04:33] <mgalvin> enrico: would you mind then if I became the maintainer and add you as comaintainer?
[04:34] <enrico> mgalvin: not at all.  As soon as you can upload
[04:34] <mgalvin> enrico: ok sounds good to me
[04:37] <hno73> Hello
[04:37] <hno73> About the new server: nI understand there was a conflict with svn in trying to point docteam.u.c to it
[04:38] <hno73> (which makes sense now that I think about it)
[04:38] <hno73> Any objections to just calling the WIP server doc.ubuntu.com?
[04:38] <rob^> no
[04:39] <rob^> what was the conflict?
[04:39] <hno73> On the front page we could link off to mature docs and WIP in separate sections
[04:40] <rob^> yeah I don't mind
[04:40] <hno73> rob^: the svn repository is currently on the maitri server and docteam.u.c points to that
[04:40] <hno73> which we in turn read from to generate pages on the new server
[04:41] <hno73> so if we change that address then we'd have to move the svn repo too
[04:41] <hno73> (which we culd do, but it's a hassle we might not need right now)
[04:41] <rob^> yeah
[04:41] <rob^> well it could just be doc.u.c then
[04:42] <rob^> or docs
[04:42] <hno73> yep, and then we could move the repo to bzr on doc.u.c in due course :)
[04:43] <rob^> I take it there are tools for doing that?
[04:43] <hno73> Yes, they're in the works
[04:43] <rob^> so we don't lose revision history etc
[04:43] <rob^> cool
[04:44] <hno73> See: http://www.bazaar-ng.org/ for what bzr is
[04:44] <hno73> baz and bzr will merge soonish 
[04:46] <rob^> arch is written in python?
[04:47] <hno73> no, just bazaar-ng
[04:47] <rob^> how are they going to merge the two?
[04:47] <hno73> that's mainly to speed up development
[04:47] <rob^> well, the fork of arch then
[04:48] <hno73> bazaar (baz), no think that'sjust built on the arch code
[04:48] <rob^> ah
[04:48] <rob^> but it will end up all being in python
[04:48] <hno73> They will take the cool new features of bzr and possibly reimpliment in a faster language (C)
[04:49] <hno73> don't know
[04:49] <rob^> just reading the faq on that site
[04:49] <hno73> anyway, it will be smooth when it happens
[04:53] <mgalvin> hi hno73
[04:53] <mgalvin> no objections here about doc.u.c
[04:54] <hno73> mgalvin: ok, thanks. I'm emailing the list too, just to make sure
[04:54] <mgalvin> i think i like docs.u.c, sounds better to me
[04:54] <mgalvin> k cool
[04:55] <mpt> bzr is going to continue in python
[04:55] <mpt> it's quite fast enough
[04:55] <hno73> ok, I'm happy with either. We can vote on the list :)
[04:56] <hno73> mpt: ok, thanks. You've got more up-to-date info than me :)
[04:57] <mpt> There will be a pie in someon's face at UBZ related to bzr
[04:57] <mpt> someone's
[04:57] <hno73> python is cool (says the ex-FORTAN-hack)
[04:57] <hno73> care to elaborate?
[04:58] <mpt> um, how does it go
[04:59] <mpt> Robert Collins will get a pie in the face if we Launchpadders aren't doing all our work in bzr before UBZ
[04:59] <mpt> and kiko (iirc) will get a pie in the face if we *are*
[05:00] <hno73> cool :)
[05:00] <robitaille> UBZ?
[05:01] <hno73> mpt: shouldn't it be the other way 'round though?
[05:01] <robitaille> (was that the same pie promised on ubuntu-devl ML the other day?
[05:01] <robitaille> :)
[05:01] <mpt> oh, no, that pie has already been delivered
[05:02] <enrico> mgalvin: is debian/copyright still valid?  It mentions 'Ubuntu Handbook' in gnome/debian
[05:02] <mpt> that was because kiko failed to implement the Untriaged bugs page, something else entirely
[05:02] <robitaille> too many pies...it's getting confusing
[05:03] <enrico> wow.  nice framework, lots of translations, even some translated screenshots!
[05:03] <hno73> as long as they are cream pies and not steak and kidney pies
[05:04] <mgalvin> enrico: i had left that in there since it is history and didn't want to take it out, but it can be removed, its not necessary to have it there
[05:04] <mpt> hno73: Well, Robert C. is lactose-intolerant, so it would need to be dairy-free
[05:05] <enrico> mgalvin: fakeroot debian/rules binary in gnome/ gives an empty .deb
[05:06] <enrico> mgalvin: make gdeb is not invoked
[05:06] <enrico> mgalvin: I'll try to fix it
[05:06] <mgalvin> hmm, it worked for me the other day, looking now too...
[05:06] <enrico> mgalvin: ok, fix on its way
[05:08] <enrico> mgalvin: committed.
[05:10] <mgalvin> enrico: got it, thanx
[05:10] <enrico> mgalvin: I have XML errors on c/kuserguide.xml
[05:11] <enrico> I'll commit the debian/rules updates for kde and you'll maybe look into it
[05:11] <mgalvin> enrico: wierd though, it works here without the build target
[05:11] <mgalvin> ok
[05:11] <enrico> mgalvin: committed
[05:12] <enrico> Lots of errors 'No localization exists for "c" or "".  Using default "en".
[05:12] <enrico> (in gnome/)
[05:13] <enrico> is froud still around?
[05:13] <enrico> last commit on the 10th, sounds like yes
[05:13] <mgalvin> yea, those happen everywhere, and always have since i started here
[05:13] <enrico> maybe he's on vacation
[05:13] <mgalvin> yes
[05:13] <mgalvin> he is
[05:13] <mgalvin> hes around, been busy i think
[05:14] <enrico> gnome/ builds fine here
[05:15] <enrico> the Co-maintainer field is wrong.  Let me fix it
[05:15] <enrico> it's "Uploaders"
[05:16] <enrico> gnome/ builds the deb fine now; let's see kde
[05:17] <mgalvin> oops, i know, i accidentilly typed the wrong thing there, sorry about that
[05:17] <enrico> someone committed some mismatched tags in the kuserguide
[05:17] <enrico> fixing...
[05:19] <enrico> kde .deb is empty
[05:19] <enrico> let me see...
[05:19] <mgalvin> i copied the ubuntu-docs rules from kubuntu-docs, probably needs the same fix
[05:20] <enrico> mgalvin: no, it was missing ../ before build.  Fixed
[05:20] <enrico> it's 9 megs now :)
[05:20] <enrico> wow
[05:20] <enrico> the gnome one is 573Kb
[05:20] <enrico> something is wrong
[05:21] <mgalvin> kubuntu-docs does have more docs in it than ubuntu-docs
[05:21] <enrico> you might want to fix the debian/changelog for kde
[05:21] <enrico> mgalvin: ah, ok
[05:21] <enrico> I'll commit the changes so far.  Looks good to me
[05:22] <mgalvin> ok, i will talk to froud about that too
[05:22] <mgalvin> k, cool
[05:23] <enrico> mgalvin: there you go.  Try building the packages and see if there's everything.  Then, when you need it, I can make an upload
[05:25] <mgalvin> building them both now
[05:28] <mgalvin> kde failed... checkign
[05:29] <mgalvin> fixed
[05:32] <mgalvin> comitted
[05:33] <mgalvin> enrico: they both build fine now, thanx
[05:45] <enrico> mgalvin: anytime!  Does the .debs contain everything they should and install it in the right place?
[05:49] <mgalvin> enrico: the final decisions have not been made yet as to what we are going to ship (depends on what gets done in time ;)), the current install locations should be correct
[05:50] <rob^> hey mgalvin, I will be away for about 10 days starting in a few days time
[05:50] <rob^> so don't get too worried when I seem to vanish from the face of the earth for a while
[05:51] <mgalvin> rob^: ok, thanks for letting me know
[05:51] <mgalvin> :)
[05:51] <rob^> np, bloody work..
[05:51] <mgalvin> work trip, that sux
[05:51] <enrico> mgalvin: [tip]  to check the contents of a .deb, you can use Midnight Commander as it's able to navigate inside
[05:51] <rob^> heh, yes, considering who I work for
[05:52] <mgalvin> enrico: i did not know that, neat
[05:52] <rob^> I think there is a gui app that can do the same also
[05:57] <mgalvin> hehe
[05:57] <rob^> whist installing packages with apt-get
[05:57] <mgalvin> it's funny watching it struggle
[05:58] <rob^> yeah, its probably doing about a frame a second
[05:58] <rob^> the hd is going nuts
[05:58] <rob^> its only got 64mb ram in it, running breezy
[05:59] <mgalvin> lol
[05:59] <mgalvin> gesh
[06:01] <rob^> its installing OOo2, should be intresting to run
[06:02] <rob^> eh poor thing. I'm going to be
[06:02] <rob^> d
[06:03] <rob^> night all
[06:03] <mgalvin> night
[06:55] <ploum> Hello
[06:55] <ploum> To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a virtualizer software
[06:55] <ploum> free
[06:56] <ploum> Is there anything easily installable in Hoary ?
[06:56] <ploum> (a 30 days trial of vmware or anything like that would be enough)
[07:00] <ploum>  To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a free (a in beer) virtualizer software
[07:16] <mgalvin> ploum: you can use the vmware trial, they will send you a temp serial #, it does work in hoary
[07:26] <venda> enrico: ping
[07:27] <mgalvin> venda: hey, i am replying to your email now
[07:27] <venda> waz up
[07:27] <enrico> venda: hey!
[07:27] <venda> crontabs my side just stopped
[07:27] <venda> enrico: make kubuntu is now broke
[07:27] <venda> :-(
[07:27] <enrico> venda: is that my fault?
[07:28] <venda> can make debs
[07:28] <enrico> used to work here
[07:28] <venda> see ./prepdeb.sh
[07:28] <enrico> I didn't touch the makefile! I swear!
[07:28] <venda> with pwd kde/
[07:28] <venda> do ./prepdeb.sh
[07:29] <venda> enrico: mgalvin; kde/debian was changed
[07:30] <enrico> venda: so, I see now that hte packagew isn't built using the stuff in svn
[07:30] <enrico> weird
[07:30] <enrico> any reason for it?  Usually one does a svn export and builds on it
[07:30] <enrico> I see you also do some rm -rf
[07:30] <enrico> fine
[07:30] <venda> ./prepdeb.sh does exports
[07:31] <venda> and prunes folders not required
[07:31] <enrico> wouldn't that be enough?  svn export . /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; cd /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; rm -rf (what you need); dpkg-buildpackage 
[07:31] <venda> so making deb size smaller
[07:31] <mgalvin> venda: i just told make not to -C kde/, which didn't work outside of prepdeb.sh
[07:32] <venda> mgalvin: prepdeb is there to make life easier
[07:32] <enrico> venda: goal would be to have predeb get smaller and smaller
[07:32] <highvoltage> venda: hi there
[07:32] <mgalvin> venda: sure, i just didn't know that when we modified it :-/
[07:33] <mgalvin> i didn't notice that prepdeb was there
[07:33] <venda> humm, all I do is have cron run a job executing the script passing it the 5.10
[07:34] <venda> I used it for lnix.net/~froud
[07:35] <mgalvin> ok, cool... well i have no objections to rolling back the kde changes since you rely on it being the way it was
[07:35] <venda> see http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb
[07:36] <venda> what was the problem that prompted your change
[07:36] <venda> is there someting you need
[07:36] <mgalvin> i only wanted to make ubuntu-docs work anyway
[07:36] <mgalvin> i don't need kubuntu-docs to be changed at all
[07:37] <venda> ok
[07:37] <venda> so next time, just do ./prebdeb.sh 5.10
[07:37] <mgalvin> enrico: what was the initial reason for mod'ing kubuntu-docs package?
[07:37] <mgalvin> ok
[07:37] <venda> that will do everything for you the result is deb and srcs
[07:38] <venda> do you know how to role back :-) or shall I
[07:38] <mgalvin> i think when DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET=kdeb was added it broken the other stages
[07:39] <mgalvin> which ever, go ahead an do it so you know you have the proper things there that you need
[07:39] <mgalvin> sorry for the breakage
[07:39] <venda> np
[07:40] <venda> later
[07:40] <mgalvin> later
[07:45] <ploum> ths mgalvin 
[07:45] <ploum> thanks ;-)
[07:45] <mgalvin> ploum: np
[07:53] <enrico> dah.  I was at the phone
[07:53] <enrico> mgalvin: please feel free to revert my changes
[07:53] <enrico> however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage
[07:53] <enrico> venda: oh, there you are back.
[07:54] <enrico> replay:
[07:54] <enrico> dah.  I was at the phone
[07:54] <enrico> please feel free to revert my changes
[07:54] <enrico> however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage
[07:54] <enrico> I'd suggest to have as a (long term?) target the idea of not needing the predeb.sh script anymore
[07:55] <enrico> as you've seen today, an experienced developer approaching this structure for the first time is going to make messes
[07:55] <venda> hmmm
[07:55] <enrico> about the DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET, I can't undertsand how that could break things: it was just a better CDBS way of saying that build is "make something" instad of just "make"
[07:57] <venda> trick is to move away all the unwanted stuff for th epackage
[07:57] <venda> the difference in size is huge
[07:57] <venda> hence this method
[07:58] <enrico> plus the messup because there are common things in debian/../.., while there should only be a debian/..
[07:58] <enrico> I understand
[07:58] <enrico> why having two debian/ directories, BTW?
[07:58] <venda> yeah we have a debian for gnome and a debian for kde
[07:58] <enrico> There could be only a debian/, toplevel, building both KDE and GNOME stuff
[07:59] <enrico> that way you don't need reshuffling common and libs at least
[07:59] <venda> enrico: could be
[07:59] <venda> Hmmm
[07:59] <venda> see upstream drops
[07:59] <enrico> upstream drops?
[07:59] <venda> large things
[07:59] <enrico> I don't understand
[08:00] <enrico> What I mean is that it'd be much better to just do svn export and a bunch of rm -r than also having to reshuffle directories
[08:00] <enrico> the difference being that the build system you see on the svn checkout references actually existing directories
[08:01] <enrico> so when I look at the dh_install lines, they match what is around
[08:02] <enrico> I'll be back in 20'
[08:26] <venda> enrico: mgalvin: for now I have done a role back svn merge -r HEAD:1565 debian debian
[08:27] <mgalvin> ok
[08:27] <venda> enrico: run ./prepdeb.sh see how it builds, if we can improve and keep the build working it would be good
[08:30] <venda> enrico: what's most important is that we won't package src that is not used
[08:30] <venda> at present I still have th eproblem of packing the upstream dro[
[08:31] <venda> s/dro[/drop
[08:31] <venda> but that could be src used to build html in future
[08:31] <venda> k later
[09:37] <mdke> evening
[09:38] <mgalvin> hey mdke
[09:40] <mdke> heya
[09:40] <mdke> i have an idea to pass by you
[09:41] <mdke> mgalvin, i know nothing about packaging, which is why I ask. Is it going to be an easy thing to sort out packages for other languages do you think? Like ubuntu-doc-fr or whatever
[09:42] <mdke> if so, we might be able to sort it so that the language selector installs the right package automatically, like with the language packs (if there is enough space on the install cd)
[09:52] <mgalvin> mdke: i have not actually created lang specific packages so i have to learn how, but... i don't think its difficult though and it would be nice to be able to do that
[09:53] <mgalvin> i am pretty sure its just a matter of creating the packages in debian/control, build all the docs for all langs and in debian/rules just stick them in the proper package (for the most part)
[09:55] <mdke> ok cool
[09:55] <mdke> the hardest thing might be to get them on the cd
[09:55] <mdke> we'll have to speak to the tech board for advice i guess
[09:55] <mdke> how big are the packages?
[09:56] <mgalvin> yea, the good thing right now is that ubuntu-docs is really small
[09:56] <mgalvin> ~590k
[09:56] <mdke> just html right?
[09:56] <mgalvin> yup
[09:56] <mdke> cool
[09:56] <mdke> ok we can speak to some devs nearer the time then
[09:56] <mdke> great
[09:56] <mgalvin> yup, sounds good
[11:17] <mpt> wow, Evolution's help is actually pretty reasonable
[12:03] <ranto> I have a rather off topic question. Does anyone know how to charge a documentation project? what's the typical man-hour price?