Saving documents

Saving documents [01:13] which doc? [01:13] Ubuntu Help [01:15] How does work in DocBook? [01:16] It's not in DocteamDocbookTags (which is probably a bad sign) [01:16] no idea [01:18] ah, http://www.docbook.org/tdg/en/html-ng/link.html [01:19] "endterm" [01:19] that was, like, totally obvious [01:19] oh, "linkend" [01:25] ewwwww [01:35] The yelp XSL or whatever it is really needs some work [01:35] I don't want "Section 4.4 - Changing the name of an item", I want "Changing the name of an item" [01:40] sorry, canna help ya [01:40] It's a froud job, I guess [01:41] Is he in or out of the Ubuntu Doc team this week? [01:41] jeffsch or jerome might also be able to help you [01:41] froud, unknown [01:41] he might have actually meant it this time [01:41] "this time"? [01:42] Is there a mailing list post or something? [01:42] I think so [01:42] no idea and I don't really care === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-041.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:09] mpt, I'm familiar with DocBook if you want me to take a look at whatever. [02:38] Flonne: That would be great ... Are you familiar with GNOME's use of DocBook? === jdub [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:48] Yelp? [02:49] yes [02:49] Yeah. [02:50] Flonne: There are several things I'd like to know how to do [02:50] they're listed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuHelp [02:50] Some of them may not even be possible in yelp, I don't know [02:51] and I guess the only way to fix some of them will affect every document shown in yelp, not just the one I'm editing [02:52] Yelp won't do local XSL stylesheets or something similar? [02:53] I'm fairly sure Yelp can use alternative style definitions (like CSS or XSL), so you'd just need to include another file. [02:53] I don't know anything about XSL yet, but I'm keen to learn :-) [02:54] I think Previous and Next will have to be overridden, since Yelp inserts those automatically. [02:54] The frame may have to be toggled by the user. [02:55] If we're still using xinclude or something similar (I've been gone for a while), adding your own style shouldn't be too difficult. [02:57] Are you working out of SVN? If so, I can play with the styles in about two hours. [02:58] No, baz [02:58] See the "How to hack the help" section of that page [02:58] Ah. There are instructions below. [02:58] Yeah. I just noticed them. [02:58] I *have* been gome a long time. :( [02:58] gone* [02:59] What did you used to do? [02:59] Not much... [03:00] I wrote several chapters for a userguide draft, but they were lost when the repository split, and then I just started looking for documents and Wiki pages in need of editing. [03:01] And then I forgot to budget money for an Internet connection over the summer. Being a student sucks. [03:01] heh [03:01] I've been there [03:02] ...But, yeah. I'll try to get some of those done tonight. [03:02] Awesome, that would be great === mpt reads up on other Flonnes [03:02] O.o [03:02] I stole the name from a game. [03:02] That's roughly what I thought you'd say [03:02] It's probably fairly common. [03:03] I guessed O_o instead of O.o, but hey [03:03] Ah. [03:04] You'll probably gasp at the horribleness of my markup [03:04] I'm still learning DocBook [03:04] but tonight I have learnt ! [03:04] It's pretty hard to mess it up. It usually only validates one way. [03:04] xref is awesome. [03:04] Yes, and yelp crashes if you make a mistake [03:05] though I think that's been fixed since Hoary [03:05] I'm sure I'll find some way to crash it under Breezy. [03:06] uh oh [03:06] phone's ringing [03:06] "Whoo! I've got Internet access again! Hmm... I wonder if the development branch is open yet... It is? Yay!" [03:06] and I'm in Brazil and don't speak PT [03:06] brb [03:07] Enjoying Ubuntu, then? :-) [03:07] (phew, it was an English speaker) === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax8-217.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:20] I've been enjoying it since someone jokingly installed it into swap on my Gentoo box and disguised it in menu.lst. :) [03:21] Iiiiinteresting [03:21] My girlfriend uses Gentoo [03:21] She much prefers purple to brown. [03:23] I prefer white to brown. winter-OB3 is great. [03:24] mpt: you could just install Ubuntu, re-skin it purple, and see if she notices? ;) [03:25] Madpilot: I'd also have to uninstall Metacity, install Ion, set Thunderbird as the mail client, and probably half a dozen other things that I don't even know [03:26] Flonne: My search - winter-ob3 - did not match any documents. What kind of color scheme is that? === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:28] hi mgalvin [03:28] hey pt [03:29] hi [03:29] hey all [03:29] mgalvin: I don't start learning pt for another week and a half [03:29] oops, s/pt/mpt/ [03:29] ;) [03:29] :-) [03:33] hey is everyone on breeze yet? [03:33] no [03:33] I wanted to install it this weekend [03:33] I picked a bad time [03:33] i am [03:33] I got it running ok on a spare pc [03:34] the CD images were unrunnable [03:34] I just installed hoary and apt-get updated it [03:34] (produced unrunnable installations, I mean) [03:34] dist-upgrade-ed it [03:34] 20050812.2 works [03:34] It's one of Gentoo's OpenBox GTK2 themes. Want it? [03:34] thats the one i used [03:35] I dist-upgraded Breezy, too. [03:35] It's... broken. [03:35] Usable, but some libraries aren't quite stable. [03:35] (amd64 on a laptop) [03:35] amd64 yeah [03:35] I'm just using an old 500mhz pc [03:36] I'll download 20050815 ... I want a clean install so I can see exactly what someone installing it from scratch sees [03:36] yep [03:36] Otherwise I'll be writing about things that don't exist, and not about things that do [03:36] there is still the issue where on that cd eth0 doesn't come up right, you have to sudo dhclient eth0 during stage to on con 2 or 3 === rob^ thinks, do I risk my desktop PC to dist-upgrade and show off at lug meeting tonight or not :P [03:37] s/stage/stage 2/ [03:38] Flonne: ob3 screenshots anywhere? [03:38] http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009594.html [03:39] my mouse doesn't work in breezy though (to lazy to configure it), so I have a vnc connection to it [03:40] Flonne: nm, I found one [03:44] Someday someone will make a pretty GTK theme [03:46] http://hamsterx.homelinux.org/~rhx/Algol-14-8-05.png If you want to see another one for some reason. [03:46] thanks === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Liz [n=Liz@static-203-87-81-158.nsw.chariot.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:06] wow..we have gotten bigger in here havent we [04:07] hi Liz [04:07] Still mostly lurkers, I think :-) === robitaille waves === Madpilot lurks === mpt crashes yelp [04:10] ugh, laptops and sleeping bags are not a good mixture heat-wise === jsgotangco [n=jgotangc@202.57.71.236] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:41] hi [05:41] Burgundavia: ping? [05:42] hi Jerome [05:42] mpt: hey [05:45] Flonne: It's nearly 1am, I'm going to sleep ... Let me know how you get on, and thanks [05:45] I gashed my palm on a cupboard, so I'm just starting now. :( [05:45] ow [05:45] I'll let you know. [05:46] don't reopen any wounds for my sake :-x [05:46] I type DVORAK-Left. I gashed my right palm. I'll be fine. :) === skora [n=skora@24-50-193-209.clvdoh.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-11-91.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-11-91.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === thoreauputic_ [n=prospero@wolax6-062.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Skywind [n=Skywind@218.104.86.222] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === woodwizzle [n=corey@user-0cej706.cable.mindspring.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Leaving"] === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@202.57.71.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:23] mpt, ping? === rob^ [n=althepcm@210.80.130.196] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:28] is the daily build working? [12:29] doh! === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-168-128-106.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [02:24] morning, finally had a chance to write more this weekend ;) === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:16] enrico: ping === rob^ looks [04:17] hey rob^ [04:17] hey Madpilot [04:17] grr [04:17] hey mgalvin [04:18] mgalvin: hi [04:20] hi enrico [04:20] enrico: did you happen to see the changes I made to the ubuntu-doc deb pakcage? [04:22] i wondered if you would mind taking a peek since you are the maintainer, i updated it to work with our current plans and wanted to see if you had any suggestions or concerns [04:22] mgalvin: I'll have a look [04:22] mgalvin: I haven't been tracking it [04:23] great thanks [04:24] ok, well i just wanted you to know i modified it, i don't mean to step on toes or anything, i just wanted to get a working package since we are going to be shipping html [04:25] mgalvin: no problem with stepping on toes: I can't really claim ownership on that, as I've been inactive for quite some time. I'm basically maintaining while noone else is === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:29] enrico: ok cool, i should be able to keep it updated and working, i just don't have upload privs yet... would you still be able to upload it when the time comes? [04:30] mgalvin: sure [04:31] enrico: cool, thanks again [04:33] enrico: would you mind then if I became the maintainer and add you as comaintainer? [04:34] mgalvin: not at all. As soon as you can upload [04:34] enrico: ok sounds good to me === hno73 [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:37] Hello [04:37] About the new server: nI understand there was a conflict with svn in trying to point docteam.u.c to it [04:38] (which makes sense now that I think about it) [04:38] Any objections to just calling the WIP server doc.ubuntu.com? [04:38] no [04:39] what was the conflict? [04:39] On the front page we could link off to mature docs and WIP in separate sections [04:40] yeah I don't mind [04:40] rob^: the svn repository is currently on the maitri server and docteam.u.c points to that [04:40] which we in turn read from to generate pages on the new server [04:41] so if we change that address then we'd have to move the svn repo too [04:41] (which we culd do, but it's a hassle we might not need right now) [04:41] yeah [04:41] well it could just be doc.u.c then [04:42] or docs [04:42] yep, and then we could move the repo to bzr on doc.u.c in due course :) [04:43] I take it there are tools for doing that? [04:43] Yes, they're in the works [04:43] so we don't lose revision history etc [04:43] cool [04:44] See: http://www.bazaar-ng.org/ for what bzr is [04:44] baz and bzr will merge soonish [04:46] arch is written in python? [04:47] no, just bazaar-ng [04:47] how are they going to merge the two? [04:47] that's mainly to speed up development [04:47] well, the fork of arch then === Seveaz [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:48] bazaar (baz), no think that'sjust built on the arch code [04:48] ah [04:48] but it will end up all being in python [04:48] They will take the cool new features of bzr and possibly reimpliment in a faster language (C) [04:49] don't know [04:49] just reading the faq on that site [04:49] anyway, it will be smooth when it happens [04:53] hi hno73 [04:53] no objections here about doc.u.c [04:54] mgalvin: ok, thanks. I'm emailing the list too, just to make sure [04:54] i think i like docs.u.c, sounds better to me [04:54] k cool [04:55] bzr is going to continue in python [04:55] it's quite fast enough [04:55] ok, I'm happy with either. We can vote on the list :) [04:56] mpt: ok, thanks. You've got more up-to-date info than me :) [04:57] There will be a pie in someon's face at UBZ related to bzr [04:57] someone's [04:57] python is cool (says the ex-FORTAN-hack) [04:57] care to elaborate? [04:58] um, how does it go [04:59] Robert Collins will get a pie in the face if we Launchpadders aren't doing all our work in bzr before UBZ [04:59] and kiko (iirc) will get a pie in the face if we *are* [05:00] cool :) [05:00] UBZ? [05:01] mpt: shouldn't it be the other way 'round though? [05:01] (was that the same pie promised on ubuntu-devl ML the other day? [05:01] :) [05:01] oh, no, that pie has already been delivered === mpt should post the photo [05:02] mgalvin: is debian/copyright still valid? It mentions 'Ubuntu Handbook' in gnome/debian [05:02] that was because kiko failed to implement the Untriaged bugs page, something else entirely [05:02] too many pies...it's getting confusing [05:03] wow. nice framework, lots of translations, even some translated screenshots! [05:03] as long as they are cream pies and not steak and kidney pies [05:04] enrico: i had left that in there since it is history and didn't want to take it out, but it can be removed, its not necessary to have it there [05:04] hno73: Well, Robert C. is lactose-intolerant, so it would need to be dairy-free [05:05] mgalvin: fakeroot debian/rules binary in gnome/ gives an empty .deb [05:06] mgalvin: make gdeb is not invoked [05:06] mgalvin: I'll try to fix it [05:06] hmm, it worked for me the other day, looking now too... [05:06] mgalvin: ok, fix on its way [05:08] mgalvin: committed. [05:10] enrico: got it, thanx [05:10] mgalvin: I have XML errors on c/kuserguide.xml [05:11] I'll commit the debian/rules updates for kde and you'll maybe look into it [05:11] enrico: wierd though, it works here without the build target [05:11] ok [05:11] mgalvin: committed [05:12] Lots of errors 'No localization exists for "c" or "". Using default "en". [05:12] (in gnome/) [05:13] is froud still around? [05:13] last commit on the 10th, sounds like yes [05:13] yea, those happen everywhere, and always have since i started here [05:13] maybe he's on vacation [05:13] yes [05:13] he is [05:13] hes around, been busy i think [05:14] gnome/ builds fine here [05:15] the Co-maintainer field is wrong. Let me fix it [05:15] it's "Uploaders" [05:16] gnome/ builds the deb fine now; let's see kde [05:17] oops, i know, i accidentilly typed the wrong thing there, sorry about that [05:17] someone committed some mismatched tags in the kuserguide [05:17] fixing... [05:19] kde .deb is empty [05:19] let me see... [05:19] i copied the ubuntu-docs rules from kubuntu-docs, probably needs the same fix [05:20] mgalvin: no, it was missing ../ before build. Fixed [05:20] it's 9 megs now :) [05:20] wow [05:20] the gnome one is 573Kb [05:20] something is wrong [05:21] kubuntu-docs does have more docs in it than ubuntu-docs [05:21] you might want to fix the debian/changelog for kde [05:21] mgalvin: ah, ok [05:21] I'll commit the changes so far. Looks good to me [05:22] ok, i will talk to froud about that too [05:22] k, cool [05:23] mgalvin: there you go. Try building the packages and see if there's everything. Then, when you need it, I can make an upload [05:25] building them both now === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:28] kde failed... checkign [05:29] fixed [05:32] comitted [05:33] enrico: they both build fine now, thanx [05:45] mgalvin: anytime! Does the .debs contain everything they should and install it in the right place? [05:49] enrico: the final decisions have not been made yet as to what we are going to ship (depends on what gets done in time ;)), the current install locations should be correct [05:50] hey mgalvin, I will be away for about 10 days starting in a few days time [05:50] so don't get too worried when I seem to vanish from the face of the earth for a while [05:51] rob^: ok, thanks for letting me know [05:51] :) [05:51] np, bloody work.. [05:51] work trip, that sux [05:51] mgalvin: [tip] to check the contents of a .deb, you can use Midnight Commander as it's able to navigate inside [05:51] heh, yes, considering who I work for [05:52] enrico: i did not know that, neat [05:52] I think there is a gui app that can do the same also === rob^ forgets the name === rob^ laughs at his 500mhz testbed pc running nv x.org drivers trying to render a GL screensaver [05:57] hehe [05:57] whist installing packages with apt-get [05:57] it's funny watching it struggle [05:58] yeah, its probably doing about a frame a second [05:58] the hd is going nuts [05:58] its only got 64mb ram in it, running breezy [05:59] lol [05:59] gesh [06:01] its installing OOo2, should be intresting to run [06:02] eh poor thing. I'm going to be [06:02] d [06:03] night all [06:03] night === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-doc === asw [n=asw@mcb1013.mcb.harvard.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === ploum [n=Ploum@81.243.237.157] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:55] Hello [06:55] To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a virtualizer software [06:55] free [06:56] Is there anything easily installable in Hoary ? [06:56] (a 30 days trial of vmware or anything like that would be enough) [07:00] To take screenshot of the breezy installation, I'm looking for a free (a in beer) virtualizer software [07:16] ploum: you can use the vmware trial, they will send you a temp serial #, it does work in hoary === venda [n=sean@ndn-165-146-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:26] enrico: ping [07:27] venda: hey, i am replying to your email now [07:27] waz up [07:27] venda: hey! [07:27] crontabs my side just stopped === enrico hugs venda [07:27] enrico: make kubuntu is now broke [07:27] :-( [07:27] venda: is that my fault? [07:28] can make debs [07:28] used to work here [07:28] see ./prepdeb.sh [07:28] I didn't touch the makefile! I swear! === enrico hides behind the sofa [07:28] with pwd kde/ [07:28] do ./prepdeb.sh [07:29] enrico: mgalvin; kde/debian was changed [07:30] venda: so, I see now that hte packagew isn't built using the stuff in svn [07:30] weird [07:30] any reason for it? Usually one does a svn export and builds on it [07:30] I see you also do some rm -rf [07:30] fine [07:30] ./prepdeb.sh does exports [07:31] and prunes folders not required [07:31] wouldn't that be enough? svn export . /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; cd /tmp/kubuntu-docs-version; rm -rf (what you need); dpkg-buildpackage [07:31] so making deb size smaller [07:31] venda: i just told make not to -C kde/, which didn't work outside of prepdeb.sh [07:32] mgalvin: prepdeb is there to make life easier [07:32] venda: goal would be to have predeb get smaller and smaller [07:32] venda: hi there [07:32] venda: sure, i just didn't know that when we modified it :-/ [07:33] i didn't notice that prepdeb was there [07:33] humm, all I do is have cron run a job executing the script passing it the 5.10 [07:34] I used it for lnix.net/~froud [07:35] ok, cool... well i have no objections to rolling back the kde changes since you rely on it being the way it was [07:35] see http://lnix.net/~froud//deb/kubuntu-docs_5.10-0.4_all.deb [07:36] what was the problem that prompted your change [07:36] is there someting you need [07:36] i only wanted to make ubuntu-docs work anyway [07:36] i don't need kubuntu-docs to be changed at all [07:37] ok [07:37] so next time, just do ./prebdeb.sh 5.10 [07:37] enrico: what was the initial reason for mod'ing kubuntu-docs package? [07:37] ok [07:37] that will do everything for you the result is deb and srcs === mgalvin check commit logs [07:38] do you know how to role back :-) or shall I [07:38] i think when DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET=kdeb was added it broken the other stages [07:39] which ever, go ahead an do it so you know you have the proper things there that you need [07:39] sorry for the breakage === mgalvin hides under my desk ;) [07:39] np [07:40] later [07:40] later [07:45] ths mgalvin [07:45] thanks ;-) [07:45] ploum: np === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:53] dah. I was at the phone [07:53] mgalvin: please feel free to revert my changes [07:53] however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage === venda [n=sean@ndn-165-146-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:53] venda: oh, there you are back. [07:54] replay: [07:54] dah. I was at the phone [07:54] please feel free to revert my changes [07:54] however, common practice is that when you see a debian/ directory, you can do dpkg-buildpackage [07:54] I'd suggest to have as a (long term?) target the idea of not needing the predeb.sh script anymore [07:55] as you've seen today, an experienced developer approaching this structure for the first time is going to make messes [07:55] hmmm [07:55] about the DEB_MAKE_BUILD_TARGET, I can't undertsand how that could break things: it was just a better CDBS way of saying that build is "make something" instad of just "make" [07:57] trick is to move away all the unwanted stuff for th epackage [07:57] the difference in size is huge [07:57] hence this method [07:58] plus the messup because there are common things in debian/../.., while there should only be a debian/.. [07:58] I understand === enrico thinks better ways... [07:58] why having two debian/ directories, BTW? [07:58] yeah we have a debian for gnome and a debian for kde [07:58] There could be only a debian/, toplevel, building both KDE and GNOME stuff [07:59] that way you don't need reshuffling common and libs at least [07:59] enrico: could be [07:59] Hmmm [07:59] see upstream drops [07:59] upstream drops? [07:59] large things [07:59] I don't understand [08:00] What I mean is that it'd be much better to just do svn export and a bunch of rm -r than also having to reshuffle directories [08:00] the difference being that the build system you see on the svn checkout references actually existing directories [08:01] so when I look at the dh_install lines, they match what is around === enrico needs to go to dinner [08:02] I'll be back in 20' [08:26] enrico: mgalvin: for now I have done a role back svn merge -r HEAD:1565 debian debian [08:27] ok [08:27] enrico: run ./prepdeb.sh see how it builds, if we can improve and keep the build working it would be good [08:30] enrico: what's most important is that we won't package src that is not used [08:30] at present I still have th eproblem of packing the upstream dro[ [08:31] s/dro[/drop [08:31] but that could be src used to build html in future [08:31] k later === venda [n=sean@ndn-165-146-216.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === rwabel [n=rwabel@gw.ptr-80-238-133-252.customer.ch.netstream.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Razor-X [n=user@user-11fa8im.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:37] evening [09:38] hey mdke [09:40] heya [09:40] i have an idea to pass by you [09:41] mgalvin, i know nothing about packaging, which is why I ask. Is it going to be an easy thing to sort out packages for other languages do you think? Like ubuntu-doc-fr or whatever [09:42] if so, we might be able to sort it so that the language selector installs the right package automatically, like with the language packs (if there is enough space on the install cd) === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:52]