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fabbione | morning | 06:09 |
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fabbione | Mithrandir: so.. why do we need unionfs udebs? | 07:43 |
Mithrandir | for the live cd | 07:44 |
Mithrandir | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDFeatures | 07:44 |
fabbione | ok | 07:45 |
fabbione | i am unfucking the baz repo now | 07:45 |
fabbione | to resync with the last 2 kernel uploads | 07:45 |
fabbione | and after that we can open devel dances again | 07:46 |
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Mithrandir | fabbione: so you've added unionfs now? | 08:44 |
Mithrandir | or should I? | 08:44 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: i am still branching and merging... | 08:45 |
Mithrandir | ok | 08:45 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: but i can do it.. so don't worry about it | 08:46 |
Mithrandir | cheers | 08:47 |
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fabbione | there | 08:50 |
fabbione | baz resynced | 08:50 |
Mithrandir | is there anything explaining what the logic in the version string is? :-) | 08:54 |
fabbione | pre <- prerelease | 08:54 |
fabbione | X <- hidden abi number | 08:54 |
fabbione | ,11 <- next deb version | 08:55 |
Mithrandir | prerelease as in "not yet uploaded", not "prerelease from kernel.org"? | 08:55 |
fabbione | not uploaded yet | 08:55 |
Mithrandir | and what do you mean by hidden abi number? Might break multiple times before next public breakage? | 08:55 |
fabbione | hidden abi is a trick to avoid more than a devel branch... | 08:56 |
fabbione | example: | 08:56 |
fabbione | when we upload 6,10 it means ABI =6 ver 10 | 08:56 |
fabbione | but during the devel cycle of 11 | 08:56 |
fabbione | we don't know if the abi is going to break | 08:57 |
fabbione | so you can't name the pre branch as 6,11 | 08:57 |
fabbione | so we hide it | 08:57 |
Mithrandir | ok | 08:57 |
fabbione | because it might easily land as 7,11 | 08:57 |
fabbione | look at preX,Y as HEAD | 08:57 |
fabbione | where we all commit | 08:58 |
Mithrandir | mm | 08:58 |
fabbione | once it's ready we merge it mainline--2.6.12 | 08:58 |
fabbione | from there we branch the tag release and the next pre | 08:58 |
fabbione | don't ask me why this schema | 08:58 |
fabbione | lamont did create it in early stage :) | 08:58 |
fabbione | but clearly merging from other repos is ok | 08:58 |
Mithrandir | it makes some kind of sense, I guess. | 08:59 |
Mithrandir | if I'm touching stuff, do you prefer me to commit into the kernel-team repo directly or work in my own space and then later merge it when it's ready? | 08:59 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: i don't care either way | 09:00 |
fabbione | if you keep your repo, you need to ping me manually for merge or merge yourself | 09:00 |
Mithrandir | but kernel-team@ is supposed to be kept "working at all times" or are temporary breakages ok? (I presume the former) | 09:01 |
fabbione | but if you commit directly, in most of the cases your changes will be test-builded by me each time i do a change | 09:01 |
fabbione | well the former is better, but if it breaks it's not a tragedy | 09:01 |
Mithrandir | ok | 09:02 |
fabbione | let say that i don't mind "it did break by mistake" | 09:02 |
fabbione | but breaking it on purpose i am a bit less happy | 09:02 |
Mithrandir | ok | 09:02 |
fabbione | or at least tell me in advance :) | 09:02 |
Mithrandir | I'm fine with doing on-purpose breakages in my own space. :-) | 09:03 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: btw.. unionfs is/should be available on all arches | 09:04 |
fabbione | when you have one module only in a list, mark it as ? is pointless | 09:04 |
fabbione | because kernel-wedge will fail later with an empty udeb | 09:04 |
fabbione | so either is everywhere, or you need to create a per arch list | 09:05 |
Mithrandir | ok | 09:05 |
fabbione | if there is more than one module and one is available everywhere, than it makes sense to have other optionals | 09:05 |
fabbione | but iirc unionfs is available on all our kernel images | 09:05 |
Mithrandir | 'k | 09:05 |
fabbione | is there a bug assigned for unionfs udebs? | 09:11 |
Mithrandir | not to my knowledge | 09:16 |
fabbione | ok | 09:16 |
fabbione | * update pristine tree (kernel-team@ubuntu.com--2005/kernel-debian--preX,11--2.6.12--patch-1 => kernel-debian--preX,11--2.6.12--patch-2) | 09:17 |
fabbione | this is the commit you want to look at | 09:17 |
fabbione | Jeg er s travlt og der kun i frst dag p arbejde | 09:21 |
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Mithrandir | thanks | 09:25 |
Mithrandir | should (udeb) modules call depmod -a in their postinst? | 10:02 |
fabbione | no idea.. kernel-wedge takes care of creating that stuff | 10:02 |
Mithrandir | oh well, apparently it doesn't. I'll add a workaround in casper, then | 10:03 |
fabbione | i think depmod -a is executed after all kernel modules have been downloaded | 10:04 |
fabbione | but i dunno about casper... | 10:04 |
fabbione | that's anna taking care of that | 10:04 |
fabbione | or at least it should | 10:04 |
Mithrandir | I've added a workaround and I'll speak with Colin once he's back again | 10:10 |
Mithrandir | live cd testing takes tiiiiime | 10:43 |
fabbione | eheheh | 10:43 |
fabbione | i am doing a test build to create the unionfs udeb | 10:43 |
Mithrandir | is unionfs supposed to be the slowest thing since sliced bread? | 10:44 |
fabbione | no idea | 10:45 |
Mithrandir | I think something I did made debconf unhappy | 10:46 |
fabbione | that's not difficult :) | 10:58 |
Mithrandir | I need to find something to generate Release files for me. | 10:59 |
Mithrandir | apt-ftparchive release seems to work | 11:23 |
fabbione | yup.. i use it here :) | 11:27 |
fabbione | (breezy-chroot)fabbione@davis:~ $ dpkg -c unionfs-modules-2.6.12-6-powerpc64-smp-di_2.6.12-6.11_powerpc.udeb | 11:48 |
fabbione | -rw-r--r-- root/root 1718210 2005-08-15 09:41:53 ./lib/modules/2.6.12-6-powerpc64-smp/kernel/fs/unionfs/unionfs.ko | 11:49 |
Mithrandir | cheers | 11:57 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: when can we have that in the archive? | 12:48 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: I would really like to have it in quickly so we can get some unionfs testing | 12:49 |
Mithrandir | since I just uploaded a casper which needs it. | 12:50 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: meh... in a few days :/ | 01:01 |
fabbione | you should have told me it was urgent :/ | 01:02 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: can I push a new version up with just that small change? | 01:02 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: let me see a couple of things... | 01:03 |
fabbione | i might be able to upload today... | 01:03 |
Mithrandir | that'd be great. :-) | 01:03 |
Mithrandir | sorry about the miscommunication | 01:03 |
fabbione | yeah but it means pushing a big bunch of security fixes for the next upload... | 01:03 |
fabbione | we also need elmo/mdz for NEW love... | 01:08 |
fabbione | the new udeb will stall buildd -> archive movement | 01:08 |
Mithrandir | argh, true :-( | 01:09 |
Mithrandir | can we see when mdz gets around in a few hours? | 01:10 |
fabbione | i have no problems with it, but i must leave around 3:30 pm | 01:10 |
fabbione | (our time) | 01:10 |
fabbione | so i can upload.. (untested) but you need to follow up with mdz | 01:11 |
fabbione | anyway.. food now :) | 01:14 |
Mithrandir | ok, cheers | 01:16 |
mjg59 | fabbione: I'm going to have patches to feed you from laptop testing | 01:18 |
mjg59 | Need to do a bit more back and forth with upstream on a couple first, though | 01:18 |
fabbione | mjg59: ok, but don't wait too long | 01:32 |
fabbione | we need to update heaps load of stuff in the kernel | 02:03 |
fabbione | TheMuso: | 02:03 |
fabbione | bah | 02:03 |
fabbione | SO : | 02:03 |
fabbione | 1) i am going to upload -6,11 basically untested... | 02:03 |
fabbione | 2) NOBODY please plan to push URGENT stuff for a few days that needs an upload yesterday | 02:03 |
fabbione | push but wait... | 02:05 |
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Mithrandir | fabbione: actually, you don't need to hurry with the kernel, my casper upload got rejected. | 02:15 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: ok! | 02:17 |
fabbione | perfect | 02:17 |
fabbione | that will give me the time to break it in unreasonable new ways :) | 02:17 |
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zul | morning | 02:18 |
fabbione | hey zul | 02:18 |
zul | hey fabbione good vacation? | 02:20 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: I'd love it if you can get it in a couple of days, though. | 02:22 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: 2/3 days should be fine.. | 02:22 |
fabbione | zul: more or less | 02:22 |
fabbione | zul: i saw you missed me :) | 02:23 |
zul | heh... | 02:31 |
zul | at little...but not much | 02:31 |
chmj | heh | 02:31 |
fabbione | zul: do you have anything that i need to merge? | 02:32 |
zul | yeah a couple of bug fixes from bugzilla | 02:32 |
zul | its in my arch under ,9 | 02:33 |
zul | uh...we are at ,11 now? | 02:33 |
fabbione | zul: mind to update to ,11 ? | 02:33 |
fabbione | yes. | 02:33 |
fabbione | .11 | 02:33 |
fabbione | zul: i did import this morning the 2 uploads that have been done outside baz | 02:34 |
zul | ok | 02:34 |
zul | sigh gimme a sec | 02:35 |
fabbione | take your time | 02:35 |
fabbione | i will leave in less than one hour | 02:35 |
fabbione | so i will defenetely not upload today | 02:35 |
zul | ok good because im at work right now | 02:36 |
doko | fabbione: the i386 biarch compilers are in the archive, hint, hint ... | 02:36 |
fabbione | doko: are you hinting me that you just offered volunteer to build the kernel? | 02:37 |
fabbione | since you got biarch done, you must have more spare time now :) | 02:37 |
Mithrandir | is lrm in baz? | 02:39 |
fabbione | doko: more seriously.. i need to build an amd64 kernel on i386.. | 02:39 |
fabbione | right? | 02:39 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: nope.. lrm is crap.. we don't want it :) | 02:39 |
fabbione | doko: if so.. what is the usecase for it? | 02:39 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: ok, since I need to fix it up a bit. It's br0ken. | 02:40 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: eheh ok | 02:41 |
zul | fabbione: i just branced and merged my stuff in my arch so my changes are in X,9 in my arch | 02:41 |
fabbione | zul: ok... can you just branch to ,11 ? | 02:41 |
fabbione | so we work on same versions? | 02:42 |
fabbione | it's already confusing enough :/ | 02:42 |
zul | ok..will do on my break | 02:43 |
fabbione | zul: thanks | 02:45 |
doko | fabbione: use case is: install i386 on amd64 to have better 32bit compatibility, and be able to do things for 64bit as well, i.e. a chroot | 02:46 |
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fabbione | you mean installing a 64bit kernel with a 32bit userland? | 02:47 |
doko | yes | 02:47 |
chmj | is that possible ? | 02:47 |
fabbione | chmj: yes | 02:47 |
fabbione | doko: i *THINK* i can do it... | 02:48 |
fabbione | but i won't make more than one flavour... | 02:48 |
fabbione | only a generic kernel | 02:48 |
fabbione | that also means bloating the i386 CD with udebs... | 02:48 |
doko | fabbione: sure, that should be sufficient | 02:48 |
fabbione | did you mention that to Kamion? | 02:48 |
fabbione | because it's another kernel to ship... | 02:48 |
doko | no, not yet. how much is that in size? | 02:49 |
doko | but at least it's mentioned on our ToolchainRoadmap | 02:49 |
fabbione | doko: a bunch of MB | 02:49 |
fabbione | changes that needs to be done in the installer | 02:49 |
fabbione | and several other things... | 02:49 |
fabbione | it's not exactly trivial to do all of the above | 02:50 |
doko | ouch | 02:50 |
fabbione | and for sure i am not going to do that in the installer while Kamion is away | 02:51 |
zul | i...dislike...sybase | 02:51 |
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fabbione | YAY for the ABI change! | 03:11 |
fabbione | -+#define OCFS2_BUILD_VERSION "0.99.17" | 03:14 |
fabbione | ++#define OCFS2_BUILD_VERSION "1.1.0" | 03:14 |
fabbione | Mithrandir: whatever fix you have for lrm, better you upload it asap | 03:17 |
fabbione | next kernel upload will bump the ABI | 03:17 |
Mithrandir | fabbione: it's already uploaded. | 03:17 |
fabbione | ah cool | 03:17 |
fabbione | let see in which wonderful ways the kernel is going to break :) | 03:19 |
fabbione | i already noticed a target that goes banana with the debian version made of 2 digits :) | 03:19 |
Mithrandir | heh | 03:20 |
fabbione | impressive... | 03:21 |
fabbione | the force is strong in the bumpabi target... | 03:21 |
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fabbione | later fellas... | 03:31 |
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lamont-away | fabbione: I did it that way because I sometimes forget to tag... But I almost always remember to branch for the new version | 04:43 |
lamont-away | or rather, I'm far less likely to release from non-mainline than I am to forget to tag from mainline | 04:43 |
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doko | fabbione: "x86_64 kernel on i386 system" on u-u ml | 05:39 |
zul | hey BenC | 05:46 |
BenC | hey | 05:46 |
fabbione | hey BenC | 09:03 |
fabbione | welcome to the team | 09:04 |
fabbione | BenC: i am going to have dinner and i will be back later (if wife will allow me ;)) | 09:04 |
fabbione | so we can talk a bit | 09:04 |
zul | you are so whipped | 09:12 |
zul | but thats ok so am i | 09:12 |
BenC | ok | 09:15 |
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zul | hey lamont | 09:21 |
lamont | hey zul | 09:21 |
mjg59 | /win goto #ubuntu-devel | 09:22 |
mjg59 | Hrngh. | 09:22 |
fabbione | re | 10:19 |
fabbione | BenC: still around? | 10:21 |
fabbione | lamont-away: ping? | 10:23 |
fabbione | bah something is wrong with this client | 10:23 |
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lamont | sup> | 10:26 |
fabbione | lamont: did you read my email about util-linux patch? | 10:26 |
lamont | not yet | 10:27 |
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fabbione | ok | 10:27 |
lamont | generally, I've tried to not deviate from upstream unless there was good cause. I haven't really looked at the 200+ line patch, but it seems to be relatively isolated in it's changes... something as invasive as the hurd patch won't be in until upstream takes it. | 10:28 |
fabbione | lamont: the patch is much smaller than it looks like | 10:29 |
lamont | right | 10:29 |
fabbione | due to static int foo it needs to move a function a few lines above | 10:29 |
lamont | it looks to be like it just calls the helper for the fs type if said beast exists | 10:29 |
lamont | ah, even better | 10:29 |
fabbione | exactly | 10:29 |
fabbione | so it's pretty simple in itself | 10:30 |
lamont | let me look at it tonight and I'll upload to both | 10:30 |
lamont | and fire it upstream | 10:30 |
fabbione | sure... | 10:30 |
fabbione | i think Manish did try to get it upstream with no success | 10:30 |
fabbione | or no response from upstream.... | 10:30 |
lamont | right - upstream has bounced around a bit... | 10:31 |
fabbione | who is upstream? | 10:31 |
fabbione | vietse? | 10:31 |
lamont | it might be semi-stable, esp since there's a new upstream version now as well | 10:31 |
lamont | adrian bunk, iirc | 10:31 |
fabbione | ah... | 10:31 |
lamont | the debian maintainer before me took it over upstream recently | 10:31 |
fabbione | ok | 10:31 |
fabbione | btw.. we are bumping ABI for the next kernel upload | 10:32 |
fabbione | so if you have something intrusive to push, it's the right time | 10:32 |
fabbione | AH GREAT.. the second sparc buildd managed to die in less than 12 hours | 10:33 |
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lamont | mtg | 10:36 |
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lamont | just because acpi seems to be intrusive | 10:40 |
fabbione | lamont: if you build with ACPI disable, does it boot? | 10:40 |
fabbione | bah i come back to talk with Ben and he disappeared :) | 10:40 |
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BenC | fabbione: ping | 10:48 |
fabbione | BenC: pong | 10:59 |
fabbione | i tought you left... | 10:59 |
fabbione | and i was close to go away :) | 10:59 |
BenC | sent you an email | 11:01 |
fabbione | yeah i just saw it... | 11:01 |
fabbione | i think there are 2 groups of bugs we are interested in.. | 11:01 |
fabbione | USB and ACPI related | 11:01 |
fabbione | USB seems to be a royal pain | 11:01 |
BenC | yeah, I saw a lot of ACPI related bugs | 11:01 |
fabbione | ACPI is well.. mjg59 crack | 11:01 |
fabbione | but it still needs extra love... | 11:02 |
fabbione | on the other side we are already in Feature Freeze for Breezy | 11:02 |
fabbione | so we need to avoid extra breakage if we can | 11:03 |
BenC | right | 11:03 |
fabbione | .10 was a crappy release | 11:03 |
fabbione | too many patches coming from too many upstreams | 11:03 |
fabbione | .12 is looking quite good compared | 11:03 |
BenC | are there any show stoppers, or are the issued mainly non-regression things we want fixed? | 11:03 |
fabbione | show stoppers none that i am aware of... | 11:03 |
BenC | any serious regressions? | 11:03 |
fabbione | there is a Serial PATA patch that is sort of a problem | 11:04 |
BenC | PATA? | 11:04 |
BenC | or did you mean SATA? | 11:04 |
fabbione | we had a patch in hoary pulled from atadev for a mistake | 11:04 |
fabbione | #13298 | 11:04 |
fabbione | (and other related bugs) | 11:04 |
fabbione | PATA... | 11:05 |
fabbione | zul: you need to learn to write Subjects in the email.. see.. i can't even copy paste without looking stupid :) | 11:05 |
BenC | hehe | 11:05 |
fabbione | the issue is that jgarzik almost crossburned me for inclusion of that patch | 11:06 |
fabbione | because it can cause data corruption | 11:06 |
fabbione | now everybody is including it and we are not.... | 11:06 |
BenC | have the libata head patches been tested? | 11:06 |
fabbione | and tbh i have no fucking clue who to trust | 11:06 |
fabbione | they have been in hoary.... | 11:06 |
fabbione | right now they are not in breezy | 11:07 |
fabbione | because i did expected to find them in .12 | 11:07 |
fabbione | while they are not... | 11:07 |
BenC | anyone besides the submitter able to test things? | 11:07 |
fabbione | not from our team | 11:07 |
BenC | hardware specific testing....the downside to all this :) | 11:08 |
BenC | ok, I'll put that on my list | 11:08 |
fabbione | ehhe no shit! | 11:08 |
BenC | anything else? | 11:08 |
BenC | btw, I have my G4 installed with ubuntu now | 11:08 |
BenC | so I can test some ppc32 things | 11:08 |
fabbione | ah nice | 11:09 |
fabbione | it looks like Jeff didn't make too much noise on redhat bugzilla... | 11:09 |
fabbione | but the bug explains that: | 11:09 |
BenC | it's UP and only 512megs of ram, which is the stable type system that doesn't seem to show in most reports about ppc | 11:09 |
fabbione | a) ghetto pulled the patch from jgarzik HEAD | 11:09 |
fabbione | b) we pulled from ghetto | 11:10 |
fabbione | c) fedora and redhat did pull it from us | 11:10 |
fabbione | d) jgarzik that works for RH got pissed | 11:10 |
fabbione | GO FEDORA! | 11:10 |
BenC | who/what is ghetto? | 11:10 |
fabbione | gentoo | 11:10 |
BenC | ah, ok | 11:10 |
fabbione | dude.. you should know that by amok ;) | 11:10 |
BenC | lol | 11:11 |
BenC | Amok, the wiki of IRC | 11:11 |
fabbione | so true :) | 11:11 |
BenC | haven't worked with ATA much, but libata is a kernel driver library right? (not userspace) | 11:12 |
fabbione | yup | 11:12 |
fabbione | the patch is much much cleaner than the old one | 11:12 |
fabbione | it seems safe to me | 11:13 |
fabbione | BenC: did you manage to strech your wings on baz? | 11:13 |
fabbione | http://sourceware.org/ml/binutils/2005-08/msg00190.html <- (from doko | 11:14 |
fabbione | BenC: but if you feel lucky i have a few tons of security bugs for hoary :) | 11:15 |
BenC | you can dump as much on me right now as you like...haven't been here long enough to be "busy" :) | 11:17 |
fabbione | BenC: ahahah | 11:17 |
fabbione | enjoy it till you can | 11:17 |
fabbione | BenC: get a bit familiar with the kernel build.. we have a bunch of extra features that debian does not have | 11:19 |
fabbione | like the ABI checker.. | 11:19 |
fabbione | and some extra madness in debian/rules... | 11:20 |
fabbione | like we build all from one source... | 11:20 |
fabbione | including udebs | 11:20 |
dilinger | fabbione: debian now builds all from one source, btw.. but not udebs. | 11:24 |
fabbione | dilinger: uh yeah... | 11:25 |
fabbione | sorry forgot about that | 11:25 |
BenC | To: bcollins@kernel.org | 11:33 |
BenC | sweet | 11:33 |
fabbione | ehehhe | 11:34 |
fabbione | i have the BAD feeling i just managed to fuck up the sparc buildd.... | 11:35 |
BenC | impossible, sparc is unfuckable | 11:35 |
fabbione | i can manage.. | 11:35 |
fabbione | :) | 11:35 |
fabbione | ah here it is | 11:36 |
fabbione | no shit it doesn't show anything on console.. | 11:39 |
fabbione | the cable is disconnected.... | 11:39 |
fabbione | dists/breezy/main/binary-sparc/:Bus error | 11:42 |
fabbione | i guess sid is sort of broken... | 11:42 |
BenC | what command caused a bus error? | 11:47 |
fabbione | apt-ftparchive | 11:51 |
fabbione | after a glibc upgrade... | 11:51 |
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BenC | c++ | 11:53 |
fabbione | dpkg: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3.4' not found (required by dpkg) | 11:54 |
fabbione | AH CRAP | 11:54 |
fabbione | i should have downgraded dpkg first.... | 11:55 |
fabbione | SEE I CAN MANAGE TO DESTROY SPARC! :) | 11:55 |
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BenC | ar/tar | 11:58 |
BenC | maybe dpkg-deb will work | 11:58 |
fabbione | yeah.. | 11:59 |
fabbione | ar x | 11:59 |
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fabbione | night guys | 12:02 |
fabbione | cya tomorrow | 12:02 |
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