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brk3crimsun: will it be in the respitories or are you putting it somewhere else on the net?12:03
phreakyswhat file do i need to edit to allow virtual hosts?12:04
phreakys(apache)12:04
crimsunbrk3: same place as my 1.3 beta 2 debs12:04
brk3wheres that?!! i was in here asking about those a while and was told noone was making any!12:04
crimsunsh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/12:05
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GatoNegrohey12:05
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brk3crimsun: thanks!12:06
brk3you working on it now then ya?12:06
crimsunbrk3: not atm, I have work.12:07
GatoNegroi'm on a freshly burnt and installed kubuntu I can't remember setting a root password12:07
GatoNegrolol12:07
GatoNegrosorry but I need one12:07
GatoNegroany takers?12:08
brk3how many times do people have to be told12:08
brk3GatoNegro: there is no root pass12:08
GatoNegroexcuse me?12:08
brk3GatoNegro: do you know about sudo?12:08
GatoNegroyeah12:08
brk3kubuntu just uses that12:08
[Surge] sudo passwd root12:09
GatoNegroah12:09
GatoNegrook12:09
EasterSunshinethat root stuff got me too, first time12:09
benjamin1254or u could enable SU and put a password on that to activate it ... i knda forget how to do it12:10
EasterSunshineback then, i was soo stupid, i thought it was my fault, so i changed my distro12:10
benjamin1254oi i bet that sucked12:11
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_dennishey folks!12:13
benjamin1254sup denis12:13
brk3crimsun: are you using the kde 3.4.2 packages? if you compile amarok with them will it work on the kde that comes with hoary?12:15
Octanehow long after ubuntu breezy is released will kubuntu breezy be released12:15
GatoNegrohey is there a specific place I can find info on all of ubutu's quirks?12:15
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jonkanheey, here is a new kubuntu user and i need som help, my kopete dosent work :/12:18
brk3Octane: should be at the exact same time12:18
Octanebrk3: thanks12:18
Octaneis there anything i can do to help12:19
brk3jonkan: what about it doesnt work?12:19
jonkanwhen i try to log on to msn12:19
[Surge] What does it not do?12:19
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brk3jonkan: you may have to update your version12:19
brk3msn changed their shit that stopped the default version from working12:20
[Surge] Mine works12:20
brk3jonkan: does it keep asking for you password?12:20
[Surge] Let me check the version12:20
jonkanwho do i do that?12:20
jonkani am a noob whit bad english12:20
jonkan;)12:20
jonkanyes12:20
brk3jonkan: update my man12:21
[Surge] Kopete 0.1012:21
_dennisanyone here with a thinkpad r50p?12:21
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jonkani have 0.1012:21
[Surge] kopete         3.4.0-0ubuntu2 Instant messenger program12:21
[Surge] Do you already have an MSN account?12:22
jonkanyes12:22
[Surge] And I assume you added a MSN account12:23
jonkanwho can i update the program?12:23
jonkanyes12:23
[Surge] And used your MSN e-mail in the MSN Passport ID box12:23
jonkanyes12:23
[Surge] Does it keep asking for a new password?12:24
jonkanyes12:24
[Surge] I mean keep rejecting your password?12:25
[Surge] I had the same problem12:25
jonkan"the password was wrong....."12:25
benjamin1254it does the same to me alot on kopete12:25
[Surge] Yeah12:25
[Surge] But I sorted it out ... now if only I can remember how12:25
[Surge] I either re-installed kopete from universe or it was the new account I created on MSN (website)12:26
jonkanis that the only way? 12:27
[Surge] Well you can also use gaim12:27
jonkanand that is? 12:28
[Surge] Similar to kopete but Gnome based12:28
[Surge] Multiple IM network client12:28
jonkanwhere can i download it?12:28
[Surge] synaptic?12:29
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[Surge] Or apt-get or whatever you prefer12:30
[Surge] I'm sure it'll be in a repository12:30
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mike1can I run kubuntu on ubuntu warty?12:31
jonkanthis is the first time i use linux, so i cant so much :/12:31
jonkan*not so much12:31
mike1changes source.list updates but still not there?12:31
mike1I used hoary universe12:32
mike1is there another souce to use?12:32
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[Surge] mike1: I think there is an answer in the ubuntu docs12:33
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[Surge] jonkan: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include "universe"12:33
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mike1deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe12:34
_dennishmm, why doesn't the libruby1.8 package include yaml.rb?12:34
[Surge] jonkan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories12:34
mike1deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe is what I have in my sources.list file?12:35
[Surge] mike1: Not sure 12:36
[Surge] How old is warty?12:36
jonkani will try, brb12:36
mike1It's the first one12:37
mike1prob out in dec 200412:37
seth_k|awayWarty was released in Oct 200412:38
[Surge] mike1: Have you read this?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE12:38
mike1no 12:39
mike1but thanks that looks like what I need12:39
[Surge] It'll do a much better job than I can do :)12:40
[Surge] jonkan: gaim is in "backports"12:40
jonkanthe comando "sudo gedit" dosent work :/12:40
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[Surge] jonkan: Add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file :12:41
[Surge] ## Backports12:41
[Surge] deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted12:41
[Surge] deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted12:41
[Surge] Try sudo kate 12:41
[Surge] kate is installed by default12:41
GatoNegroI love the fact that Kubuntu recogninzed my devices etc... but the whole root thing is getting to me12:41
[Surge] Nah it's not so bad GatoNegro :)12:42
[Surge] I got used to it after 1 day12:42
[Surge] But if you want to you can "su -" to your hearts content12:42
crimsunsudo -s12:43
crimsunset a root password, then log in as root12:43
[Surge] Yup12:43
paxuse official backports12:43
[Surge] Where do I get a list of official backports?12:44
[Surge] Still a bit green myself12:44
paxdeb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe12:44
paxmultiverse restricted12:44
[Surge] Ta12:44
paxmailing list here http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports12:45
mike1surge: yes it looks pretty easy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes12:45
tdHi, a quick newbie question: I just installed kubuntu on my hard drive. Switching to root with 'su' is not working - I don't know which password I have to use... (?)12:46
[Surge] pax so I can delete my old backports without a problem?12:46
paxsure can12:46
crimsun!tell td about root12:46
[Surge] Not quite sure how it all works12:46
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cartel_hey guys12:46
cartel_anyone using skype on ubuntu?12:46
cartel_er kubuntu12:47
paxand don't forget to sudo apt-get update12:47
paxcartel, I do12:47
[Surge] cartel_: Not yet ... I should install it12:47
cartel_pax: works well?12:47
td?12:47
paxperfect.12:47
cartel_pax: i have problems connecting and when i do sound is choppy12:47
tdSo what is the default root password in kubuntu?12:48
paxcartel_: check the wiki for the fix12:48
crimsuntd: read the url I sent you12:48
paxtd there's no root pass, use sudo12:48
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cartel_pax: oh there is a fix, thx12:48
paxtd, if you are tired of typing the pass with sudo use sudo -i12:49
[Surge] There should be a FAQ for new kubuntu users that pops up the first time you read it.12:50
[Surge] With :12:50
[Surge] 1. How to update your sources12:50
[Surge] 2. How to set a root password and/or use sudo12:50
pax[Surge] : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list12:50
[Surge] 3. How to use synaptic/knaptic/apt-get12:51
pax[Surge] : if you insist on have root account enable it, sudo passwd root12:51
tdpax: Many thanks!!12:51
paxon having*12:51
[Surge] Yes I know pax - I was just making a list of common questions that all the new users seem to ask12:51
[Surge] I already know how to do it12:52
tdcrimsun: Thank you very much!12:52
paxoh, sorry12:52
[Surge] I'm just noticing those common ones when guys come here to ask questions and I was asking those same questions 3 days ago :)12:52
pax[Surge] : ubuntu/kubuntu is well documented but you can never get people to check the docs before asking questions, it's human nature.12:53
[Surge] That's why they should be popped up on a "welcome" screen 12:53
[Surge] In your face but only have to see it once  :)12:54
paxubuntuguide (altho rookies don't like it) have almost every answer to newbies questions12:54
[Surge] Yes12:54
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[Surge] But not every one has mastered the Internet yet :)12:54
[Surge] It becomes a question of IRC vs HTML  :)12:55
jsubl2any one know how to get sound from java apps.. with gnome you disable kde.. can't seem to find a way to do it with kde tho.12:55
cartel_pax: i cant even get it to connect to echo12312:55
jsubl2disable esd i mean12:55
paxcartel_: check kmix and make sure your mic is working12:56
cartel_it wont connect12:56
paxoh won't connect, why?12:56
cartel_the problem is not that there is no sound just wont connect12:56
paxhave username/pass?12:56
benjamin1254echo123?\12:56
cartel_i can login to the service12:56
cartel_other people on my lan can use skype fine12:56
cartel_in windows12:56
[Surge] jsubl2: Control Center->Sound and Media->Sound System12:56
paxcartel_: behind a router maybe?12:57
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cartel_pax: did you just read what i said12:57
paxsorry, I'm slow.12:57
cartel_pax: brain lag :)12:57
benjamin1254u must have loads of lag time then12:57
titussalut tout le monde12:57
jsubl2thanks [Surge]  will check it 12:58
cartel_im going to try krecord12:58
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paxnah I just type slow (one hand), the left one is nerve damaged after an accident on the job couple of months ago12:58
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benjamin1254i wana use mine as a mini radio station so i can play music for the poor people on dial up... i although have 128kb cable internet... ne ideas how?12:59
sorush20i'm using kubuntu and want to set the default file open dialogue, in every application to the kde open file dialogue.. 01:01
benjamin1254\:|01:02
paxsorush20: nothing about it in kconsole > KDE componment > file manager?01:03
paxcomponent*01:03
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sorush20pax: I just don't know what you said.. sorry.. newbe.. 01:04
benjamin1254newbish speek plz lol01:05
paxsorush20: explain again what you want do to, you don't want any file associations is that it?01:05
cartel_any way to make kmix not monitor the mic01:05
paxbenjamin1254: I'm good at that since I'm newb myself :D01:06
paxcartel_: what you mean not monitor?01:06
cartel_pax: all sound in my mic is coming out speakers01:07
paxoh echo, yes you have an option for that in kmix01:07
cartel_dont see it01:08
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phreakysi cant seem to get phpsupport for apache. ;?01:08
paxone sec let me fire it up01:08
paxturn off mic boost 01:09
paxin switches tab01:09
sorush20pax: no. in firefox when I use the open file command then the gnome file browser is used instead of the KDE browers.. 01:10
benjamin1254oi too much geek talk... i will be a geek in 2 years and 41 days from now01:11
paxsorush20: ah never had a problem like that since I dont have gnome installed01:12
cartel_now it doesnt record01:12
benjamin1254how do u open the WM apps?01:12
paxcartel_: if you turn boost off it doesnt record?01:13
sorush20really.. can I just remove the gnome componets.. 01:13
sorush20form synaptic.. 01:13
paxsure can01:13
sorush20but then there are somethings that are good in synaptic that are not as good in kde.. 01:13
sorush20synaptic is one.. 01:14
benjamin1254how do u open the WM apps?01:14
sorush20where as knaptic seems to be lacking.. 01:14
paxyou can keep synaptic01:14
cartel_no now it just doesnt work at all in kmix01:14
paxdont need the entire gnome desktop just to have synaptic01:14
paxcartel_: toy a bit with kmix you'll get it01:15
benjamin1254i know i had to and oi was it a pain in my posterior to get my sound to work right01:15
cartel_ahh got it. capture was unticked01:16
paxbenjamin1254: what are you trying to do, sound is not working?01:16
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benjamin1254no01:17
paxneed more than that01:17
benjamin1254how do u open the WM apps? im trying to get them to run but none will... i dont even see them in the start k gear menu01:17
paxwhat WM apps?01:18
paxMultimedia apps?01:18
benjamin1254all of them... the cpu usage one and the one for the on screeen weather report01:18
benjamin1254wmweather01:18
paxI didnt know ubuntu come with wmweather nor what is it01:19
benjamin1254ime using the kde version which doesent have it built in so u have to get it from the universal 01:20
paxif you have it installed, can't you start it from console?01:20
benjamin1254idk how01:20
paxif it exists then just add it with kmenuedit01:20
phreakysi installed php out of the repos, but its without mysql support :/01:20
phreakysis there a mysql enabled version out of the box?01:20
paxbenjamin1254: open konsole and type: wmweather01:20
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benjamin1254bash: wmweather: command not found01:21
paxbenjamin1254: right click on Kmenu > Menu editor and add apps you have installed but not showing on the kmenu01:21
paxbenjamin1254: one a minute this some windowmaker dockapp01:22
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benjamin1254yes i do think so01:22
paxyou confused the hell outta me, why don't you use superkaramba much better than that crap01:23
paxbenjamin1254: sudo apt-get install superkaramba and go find some good themes from kdelook.org01:23
GatoNegrotried it don't like it going back to good old slackware01:24
GatoNegronice talking to you guys01:24
Rogue_Jedi_XThere's also kweather01:24
paxphreakys: sudo apt-get install php4-mysql01:25
supernixbravo nikkia 01:25
supernixThat Python script you gave me runs rings around what ImageMagick did01:26
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GatoNegrosigh01:30
GatoNegroI give up01:30
benjamin1254i tried runing wmweather and i got the following output01:31
benjamin1254Service '/home/benjamin1254/.local/share/applications/wmweather.desktop' is malformatted.01:31
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supernixOMG that is so sad01:41
jeffm_hey guys01:41
jeffm_im having trouble connecting to wireless networks on my laptop01:41
jeffm_can anyone take a look at my /etc/network/interfaces and see if there are any problems?01:42
jeffm_anyone?01:45
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jsubl2have you tried the wiki01:47
jeffm_where can i find it?01:47
jsubl2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles01:47
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benjamin1254i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba01:54
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benjamin1254i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba02:12
benjamin1254i cant even see the file on superkaramba02:13
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phreakysarg02:23
phreakysi just cant seem to get php with mysql working02:23
phreakyshelp!02:23
uttaphreakys: have you installed php4-mysql?02:25
phreakysyes02:25
phreakysi even tried reconfiguring the package02:25
phreakysits still without mysql02:25
uttaphreakys: have you restarted apache?02:25
phreakysyea, several times02:25
phreakysfirst killed all processes02:25
phreakyskillall -9 apache202:25
phreakysbut its still not working :/02:26
phreakyshttp://3k2.ath.cx/3k2.ath.cx/test.php02:26
uttaphreakys: what error message are you getting?02:26
phreakysits in phpinfo02:26
phreakysit says php is not compiled with mysql02:26
paxapache-modconf apache enable mod_php402:27
paxwait, apache2?02:27
phreakysyes02:27
phreakyssomething wrong?02:28
paxmysql-server installed?02:28
phreakysyes02:29
paxdid you test with info.php?02:29
uttaphreakys: go to /etc/php4/apache2, and edit the file php.ini - look at the end of the file for a line similar o extension=mysql.so02:29
phreakysehm with phpinfo ()02:29
phreakysok, will do02:29
phreakysyes, its there02:30
phreakys; End:02:30
phreakysextension=mysql.so02:30
paxsudo apache2ctl restart02:30
uttaphreakys: ok do an /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload and test again02:31
phreakysi killed all processes of apache2 and tried again several times02:32
phreakysits the same again02:32
phreakyswithout-mysql :/02:32
phreakysdo i have to build php?02:33
uttaphreakys: Ok try do a sudo apt-get remove --purge php4-mysql, then do a sudo apt-get install php4-mysql02:33
phreakysok02:33
benjamin1254pax: i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba02:33
benjamin1254i cant even see the file on superkaramba02:34
paxyou'll need themes for superkaramba02:34
benjamin1254yes i tried DLin it and i cant see the file for it02:34
phreakysrestarting apache02:34
phreakyssame :/02:35
phreakysi also have php4 package installed. maybe thats wrong?02:35
paxbenjamin1254: theme files you need to open are usually .theme02:35
paxyou need php402:36
benjamin1254.theme well this one is  a .skz file 02:36
phreakysok, php4-mysql is not the whole version?02:36
paxsudo apache2ctl configtest spits no error?02:36
phreakysno real errors02:37
phreakysonly something about servername, but that should be irrelevant02:37
paxsudo apache2ctl graceful02:37
paxservername, hmm vhost02:37
phreakysyea, ive got 2 vhosts02:38
phreakysmaybe try building php, instead of getting it from repos?02:38
phreakysthere are quite a few notifications of this kind of problem on google02:39
phreakysdidnt find the sollution yet though :/02:39
paxthe one from repos should work,, you had problems with apache all along, you delete /etc/apache2 at some point iiirc02:39
phreakysyea, but its ok again02:39
uttaphreakys: are you sure you have php setup with apache2?02:40
phreakysyea, i installed php with kynaptic02:40
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phreakysand apt-get install php402:40
phreakys+ apt-get install php4-mysql02:40
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uttaphreakys: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 as well?02:41
pax--purge remove both and then sudo apt-get install php4 php4-mysql02:41
phreakysyes02:41
phreakysthat one to02:41
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phreakyswhat does php4-mysql do?02:41
uttaphreakys: a2enable php4 done as well?02:42
phreakysisnt it another build of php with the right stuff in?02:42
phreakysa2enable?02:42
paxfunctions for communicating with mysql database server02:42
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uttaphreakys: yep, enable the module for use by apache202:42
phreakysim not sure02:43
uttaphreakys: go to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled, and you should see 2 entries pertaining to php402:43
phreakysyes, php4.conf and php4.load02:44
I_Eat_PlasticI'm trying to brun a CD using k3b, it needs "cdrdao" to write CDs, where can I install this from?02:44
paxhe said he got phpinfo(); to work02:44
pax!info cdrdao02:44
phreakysyea, http://3k2.ath.cx/3k2.ath.cx/test.php02:44
ubotucdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB02:44
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uttaphreakys: phpinfo(); work correctly?02:45
phreakysyes, its saying that mysql is not an option02:45
phreakys--without-mysql02:45
uttaphreakys: OK, I'm baffled....02:45
phreakysbut...php4-mysql...isnt that just a build of php with mysql config on?02:46
phreakystnx anyway utta ;)02:46
phreakysu2 pax 02:46
phreakysim just a little keen to get this baby working02:46
uttaphreakys: no, it's a module that enables mysql for use with php02:46
phreakysbut if php isnt build with mysqlsupport?02:47
uttaphreakys: I have just looked at that link, and it says mysql is enabled. Refresh your browser cache and try again02:48
phreakysyes?!02:48
benjamin1254what theam has liquid weather?02:49
phreakysits still disabled here :/02:49
phreakysahaah02:50
phreakyscool02:50
phreakysits working 02:50
phreakysmy god...i cleaned..i cleared like ten times firefox cache02:50
phreakysand still --without mysql02:50
uttaphreakys: I think your browser was lying to you - it did not refresh the page cache02:50
phreakyswell, tnx for checking out02:50
uttaphreakys: Ok, No probs, Good Luck...02:51
phreakyspfew, it works finally :)02:51
phreakystnx02:51
benjamin1254what theme has liquid weather?02:52
paxdon't forget to delete test.php phreakys 02:53
phreakysok, tnx pax02:54
paxbenjamin1254: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=638402:54
benjamin1254im still only finding it as a .skz file 02:59
phreakysok, its up again :)03:01
phreakysonly need to change include path :/03:02
paxbenjamin1254: you unpack first don't you?03:02
benjamin1254no ... it says it is binary files and i tried it like it wanted first and it came out all scrambled03:04
benjamin1254do rpm files work in kubuntu?03:04
paxbenjamin1254: could, try with alien03:04
benjamin1254thats my sec question03:04
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benjamin1254alien?03:05
paxbenjamin1254: browser to the theme with konqueror, right click > Extract here03:05
paxthen open superkaramba > open file > browse to .theme > click ok03:06
paxbenjamin1254: yes alien03:06
pax!info alien03:06
ubotualien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.50 (hoary), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB03:06
benjamin1254LMFAO look at this xp theam03:07
benjamin1254http://nigritude.sourceforge.net/nigritude-ultramarine/download.shtml03:08
benjamin1254 theme*03:08
benjamin1254;) tell me what u think03:10
paxyeah it sucks :)03:10
benjamin1254:))03:10
paxhttp://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png <- this is what mine looks like03:11
benjamin1254well it has an xp look to it thats what i find nice for the windows lovers03:11
paxthe entire point of running kubuntu is to stay as far I can from windoz03:12
paxhaving a theme like that may lead to depression, revive old bad memories or even make me lose hair03:13
benjamin1254LMFAO i agree with u but like its for thoes are too stuck on winblows to move over to linux.. . it may be even better if somone made a windows xp splash screen for it too to trick the parents03:14
paxparents? *I* am the parent damn it03:16
benjamin1254well some of these parents are computer illiterate u know03:16
benjamin1254and dont know winblows is bad for there pc03:16
phreakys:)03:17
benjamin1254do u know how to run the splash screens... i mean replace them03:18
benjamin1254for kubuntu03:18
phreakysyea03:18
benjamin1254how03:18
phreakysi just installed em03:19
phreakyswith splashy!03:19
benjamin1254splashy is a program i can get with apt-get?03:19
phreakysapt-get install splashy03:19
phreakysyea03:19
phreakysit works fine03:19
phreakysyou only need to adjust the background03:19
phreakysor go with the theme :)03:19
phreakyspersonally i liked the commandline output. would have been great to have picture + commandline03:20
benjamin1254Reading package lists... Done03:20
benjamin1254Building dependency tree... Done03:20
benjamin1254E: Couldn't find package splashy03:20
phreakyshm, you have universe on?03:20
benjamin1254yes the latest 103:20
phreakysi guess splashy is part of the obscure list03:21
phreakyslemme take a peak03:21
phreakyshttp://pastebin.com/33790303:21
phreakysi guess its in the backports or something :)03:22
phreakysapt-cache search splashy03:22
sproingieno hits for splashy03:23
benjamin1254so wich 1 do i do then the install splashy thingie... i see a list of mirrors03:23
benjamin1254backport mirrors?03:24
phreakysyea03:24
phreakysetc/apt/sources.list03:24
sproingiemaybe because backports still hasn't heard of the 64 bit world03:24
phreakysehm, im not sure03:24
phreakysive got it in my repos though03:24
phreakysand that one is working quite easily03:25
benjamin1254what do i do to use it so i can search through with apt-get03:25
phreakysit should be named as splashy03:26
phreakys'splashy - A complete user-space boot splash system' 03:27
benjamin1254oi too darn may files to sift through03:27
phreakysyou need to change your sources.list03:27
phreakysand apt-get update03:27
phreakysthen it will be in the list03:27
phreakysjust make sure universe/multiverse and the backdoor thing is on03:28
benjamin1254how do i change my sorces.list file?03:28
phreakysopen a terminal window03:28
benjamin1254k03:28
phreakyssudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list03:29
phreakyscheck if all of the repos that were in the pastebin are present03:29
phreakysi believe the standard file misses multiverse and backdoor :/03:30
benjamin1254yeah now how do i add it to the list?03:30
phreakysbackport03:30
phreakyshttp://pastebin.com/33790603:31
phreakysput these 4 lines in03:31
phreakysand make sure that all lines starting with deb, are uncommented03:31
phreakysafter that, save03:32
phreakysctrl-o03:32
phreakysthen update the list with:03:32
phreakysapt-get update03:32
phreakysthen you should have it in your list03:32
phreakysyou can check with:03:32
phreakysapt-cache search splashy03:32
benjamin1254i tried updating the file and i cant03:36
benjamin1254i copy and pasted it in03:36
benjamin1254and it says i cant save it03:37
phreakysno, you need to do it from nano03:37
benjamin1254nano?03:37
phreakysat least use sudo 03:37
phreakysyea, you need to have rootpermissions for that file03:37
phreakysif you launch sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list03:37
phreakysyou get writepermissions03:37
phreakysjust enter your userpassword03:37
benjamin1254i have this in my terminal03:39
benjamin1254 GNU nano 1.2.4             File: /etc/apt/sources.list              Modified03:39
benjamin1254deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe03:39
benjamin1254deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted03:39
benjamin1254deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted03:39
benjamin1254deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe03:39
benjamin1254deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe03:39
phreakysdont paste here03:39
benjamin1254deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse03:39
benjamin1254deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse03:39
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phreakysthere are special sites for that03:39
benjamin1254## Backports03:39
benjamin1254deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiv$03:39
benjamin1254deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multivers$03:39
benjamin1254 deb ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multive$03:39
phreakysyou may get kicked for pasting03:39
benjamin1254deb-src ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe mult$03:39
benjamin1254## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced03:39
benjamin1254## after the final release of the distribution.03:40
benjamin1254^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos03:40
benjamin1254^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where Is  ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Txt ^T To Spell03:40
benjamin1254srry03:40
benjamin1254:'((03:40
phreakyshttp://pastebin.com/03:40
phreakysuse something like that 03:40
paxgreat benjamin1254, you just discovered copy/paste :-)03:40
benjamin1254i seriosly dident mean to i just thought id show it here dident knw it was wrong o show my output here03:40
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paxit's okay nobody's watching, do it again (not) 03:41
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jonkanis it any linux musik program that can play *.pls?03:42
phreakysok, you could use this one03:42
phreakyshttp://pastebin.com/33790303:42
phreakyscopy this paste03:42
phreakysand then from terminal enter03:42
phreakyssudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list03:42
phreakysyou'll get a gui-editor to paste it in03:42
paxjonkan: last.fm?03:42
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phreakyssave it, and you're set to go03:43
SgepHi all03:43
phreakyshi03:43
SgepWhat license it Unison under?03:43
Sgeperr... the Unison soundfont03:43
jonkanpax, whats that?03:43
paxjonkan: wants a music programs that plays playlists?03:43
jonkanpax: yes03:44
paxjonkan: what are you using now?03:44
jonkanpax: i dont have any, i think :)03:45
paxtry amarok03:45
jonkanpax: where can i fint it?03:45
paxsudo apt-get install amarok03:45
phreakysis it save if i just chmod 777 mysql datadir?03:45
jonkantanks03:46
jonkan*thanks pax03:46
paxwhy would you do that phreakys?03:47
phreakysim having problems with mysql write permissions03:47
phreakys"Notice: Table 'mos_session' is read only "03:48
paxwhat are you installing now wordpress drupal something like that?03:48
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phreakysnah, ive got mambo and phpnuke running03:48
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phreakysbut it cant write to the database somehow03:48
paxand you created a database with root?03:49
phreakysit uses a root user though03:49
phreakysyes03:49
paxwhy don't you create a user for that database?03:49
phreakyswell, thats a possibility. but ive allways been to lazy to create another user besides root03:50
phreakysnot an excuse03:50
paxbad boy!03:50
phreakysyea ;)03:50
paxGRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON databse_name.*03:51
paxTO nobody@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'password';03:51
phreakyshm03:51
paxthen flush privileges;03:51
phreakysive got 3 superusers03:52
phreakys3k2, localhost and debian-sys-maint03:52
phreakysthey got all rights according to phpmyadmin03:52
phreakysshould i proceed flushing? 03:53
paxup to you =)03:53
phreakys:)03:53
paxwhat's mambo?03:55
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phreakysits the succesor of phpnuke03:56
phreakysa big chunk of modules cms03:56
phreakyspretty cool if you like lots of useless modules and stuff03:56
phreakysi like it03:56
phreakysand its more secure than phpnuke i guess03:57
phreakysmy phpnukesite has been hacked twice03:57
phreakysstill like phpnuke though...im still amazed at what people think of to program03:57
paxshow me when it's up :c)04:10
JeffAMcGeehacked twice and you always connect to mysql as root...04:12
phreakyslol04:12
phreakysyea, but i believe that was due to phpnuke's sql injection problems04:12
phreakysive never had a total security breach04:12
phreakysso far...04:12
I_Eat_PlasticHow do I get the GNU C++ compiler?04:12
phreakysjust some polish or turkish crazy group putting their logo's on my life's work04:12
phreakys;)04:12
JeffAMcGeefor gcc: sudo apt-get install build-essential04:12
JeffAMcGeeThat includes a few things like make in addition to gcc and g++ that you will undoubtedly need.04:12
I_Eat_PlasticHmm, that seemed quick, how can I be sure it installed?04:12
paxgcc -v04:12
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srineercan some one point me to the apt-get reps for kubuntu?04:12
I_Eat_PlasticHmm, I keep get getting this error when trying to build-essential http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html04:12
srineeri have ubuntu04:12
pax!repos04:12
ubotuit has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/96904:12
paxsrineer: wait, reps for kubuntu are the same as for ubuntu, do you mean KDE?04:12
srineeryes04:12
paxtopic04:12
I_Eat_PlasticHmm, I keep get getting this error when trying to build-essential http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html04:12
I_Eat_PlasticSorry for double post.04:12
srineeronce i add the repos.... do i apt-get install kde or something?04:13
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paxsrineer: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:13
paxsudo apt-get update before you do that04:13
srineerdone04:13
srineerok04:14
srineerthanks04:14
paxenjoy kubuntu04:14
srineerE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-deskto04:14
paxdeskto(p)04:14
srineerE: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop04:14
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paxsrineer: did you sudo apt-get update?04:15
srineeryep04:15
paxsrineer: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to some pastebin04:15
I_Eat_Plastichttp://rafb.net/paste/04:16
I_Eat_Plastic;O04:16
srineerdeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted04:16
srineerdeb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted04:16
srineerdeb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main04:16
srineerdeb-src http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main04:16
paxouch04:16
srineerdeb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main04:16
srineerdeb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main04:16
srineerdeb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main04:16
I_Eat_PlasticStop04:16
I_Eat_Plasticx_x04:16
srineersorry04:16
paxpress Esc dear04:16
paxit's okay I wasn't clear enough I guess04:17
I_Eat_Plasticpastebin = http://rafb.net/paste/04:17
srineerah04:17
srineerwell thats it04:17
paxgive us the url please04:17
srineerhttp://rafb.net/paste/results/ZZDzgs73.html04:18
I_Eat_PlasticGoto http://ubuntuguide.org/04:19
I_Eat_PlasticAnd goto section Repositories04:19
I_Eat_Plasticfollow instructions there.04:19
I_Eat_PlasticShould help,04:20
I_Eat_Plasticsrineer04:20
srineerhmm04:20
paxsrineer: copy this http://ninux.net/files/sources04:20
paxthen sudo apt-get update04:21
paxthen sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop04:21
srineerthis is what i got http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZZDzgs73.html04:23
paxyes, backup your list and try the one I gave you.04:24
paxwo wo wo wait04:25
paxyou are using warty?04:25
srineeryes04:25
srineer?04:25
srineersorry im new to ubuntu04:25
srineerim used to debian and suse04:26
paxwe are curently using hoary would like just to stick with warty?04:26
srineersince this is a new install would it be better to download kubuntu?04:26
paxnew install of warty?04:27
srineeri only used this disk because i got it in the mail and it was setting here for a while04:27
paxany reason why you are using warty, would you rather use the lastest release?04:27
paxah ok :)04:27
srineerbetter to get kubuntu downlaod?04:28
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paxwell since you have warty you could just upgrade :)04:28
srineerok04:28
srineerapt-get dist-upgrade?04:28
paxget my sources.list, sudo apt-get update04:28
paxthen yes dist-upgrade04:28
srineercool04:28
srineerwill do04:28
paxthen install kubuntu if you want04:28
srineerthanks04:29
paxgood luck, let us know how the upgrade went04:29
srineernp04:29
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N17R0hi can someone tell me how the hell can I stop ProFTPD from autostart at boot ?04:32
cartel_rm /etc/rc2.d/S*proftpd04:33
N17R0ok ty04:33
I_Eat_PlasticCan someone tell me why I get this error message wen trying to apt-get install-essentials http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html04:35
N17R0and can someone tell me why the SMTP thing is starting at boot?04:35
N17R0Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-08-16 04:33 CEST04:35
N17R0Interesting ports on localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1):04:35
N17R0(The 1660 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)04:35
N17R0PORT    STATE SERVICE04:35
N17R022/tcp  open  ssh04:35
N17R025/tcp  open  smtp04:35
N17R0631/tcp open  ipp04:35
N17R0Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.203 seconds04:36
I_Eat_PlasticUse pastebin please.04:36
I_Eat_Plastichttp://rafb.net/paste/04:36
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N17R0ok sorry for that04:36
I_Eat_PlasticIt's alright, my request keeps getting pushed to the top, lol.04:36
N17R0but i don't need smtp 04:36
N17R0and what the hell is "ipp" ?04:36
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seth_kinternet print protocol, yes?04:39
N17R0hmm that could possible be that, but is it needed to run linux ?04:40
N17R0and ssh I also dont use04:41
N17R0can those be disabled ?04:41
N17R0and smtp04:41
thoreauputicN17R0: nmapping yourself doesn't really tell you anything - those services are only listening on the loopback interface04:43
thoreauputicsmtp and ipp are used for mail and your printer04:44
thoreauputicrespectively04:44
N17R0ok but isnt smtp a mail "server"  ?04:45
paxN17R0: install rcconf (runlevel configuration tool) and disable what you don't need04:45
N17R0I dont need to run a mail server04:45
N17R0ok let me check that tool04:45
thoreauputicN17R0: yes, it's a mail server - but it is used locally for instance to send root / you messages about cron jobs, etc04:46
N17R0alright thx for that info, im quite new on linux, i need to learn alot :P04:47
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N17R0nice tool rcconfig04:48
N17R0*rcconf04:48
paxdon't go nuts with it disabling stuff you need :D04:49
N17R0rofl04:50
N17R0yeah I first need to know what all those services do04:50
paxgoogle is your friend04:50
N17R0i know04:51
N17R0btw04:51
I_Eat_Plasticpax: can you help me quick? ;O04:51
N17R0i dunno if i disabled this service accidently: bootmisc.sh_backup04:52
paxask away, many smart people around04:52
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N17R0u guys have that service also disabled/?04:52
I_Eat_Plasticpax: You seem to be the only one responding, lol.. I'll ask though04:52
I_Eat_PlasticWhen I try to sudo apt-get install build-essential I get this output error.04:53
I_Eat_Plastichttp://rafb.net/paste/results/Kd6Ix313.html04:53
N17R0bootmisc.sh_backup = enabled or disabled  by default ?04:53
paxI_Eat_Plastic: what release are you suing?04:53
I_Eat_PlasticKubuntu? :o04:54
paxwarty, hoary, breezy?04:54
I_Eat_Plastichoary04:54
paxenable universe and multiverse sudo apt-get update and try again04:55
N17R0pls can someone confirm this: bootmisc.sh_backup = enabled or disabled  by default ?04:55
N17R0I maybe switch it off by accident04:55
I_Eat_Plasticpax: I'm kindof new, can you put that in newbie terms?04:55
paxI_Eat_Plastic: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list04:56
paxuncomment universe and multiverse sudo apt-get update and try again04:56
paxI'm newb too btw :c)04:57
I_Eat_PlasticSo I don't feel so alone04:57
paxN17R0: if in doubt enable04:57
I_Eat_Plastic:] 04:57
paxhere, get my sources.list just cp/paste http://ninux.net/files/source04:58
paxhere, get my sources.list just cp/paste http://ninux.net/files/sources04:58
N17R0ok04:59
N17R0ok time to sleep04:59
N17R0thx for help all05:00
paxnp, good night05:00
N17R0ty05:00
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Sgepdcop konversation Konversation sayToAll Test05:32
jsubl2loaded kubuntu-64 breezy tonight.. it is lookin good.  found 1 problem05:33
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rgautamthe centre was away from our place though05:42
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paxlinux is widely used in japan or what?05:42
rgautamya. its used pretty widely here05:42
paxsmart people05:43
rgautamright.05:43
paxin india too?05:43
rgautamin india also, its very popular05:43
rgautami just started using ubuntu.05:43
rgautamu guys tired it?05:43
jsubl2ubuntu/kubuntu seems to be the best to me.05:43
userXa0just installed kubuntu last night05:43
paxyeah it's the best thing since sliced bread05:44
rgautamgreat.05:44
rgautamit rocks. realy nice packaging05:44
jsubl2i am running kubuntu-amd64 breezy.. loaded it tonight05:44
userXa0seems cool so far05:44
paxjsubl2: no problems with xorg?05:44
jsubl2none so far...05:44
rgautamya its really nice. the upgrades/installion was smooth05:44
paxgood stuff05:44
jsubl2totem-xine even works. i copied the win32 dir over from another i386 install05:45
jsubl2i was surprised05:45
jsubl2one big hiccup05:45
rgautamya totem is really powerful. plays almost aal windows media05:45
rgautamwat hiccup?05:46
jsubl2had to manually make mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ for the install to finish.. actually finished it manually05:46
rgautamoh!05:46
paxjsubl2: do me a favor past the output of cat /etc/debian_version05:46
paxpaste*05:46
jsubl2testing/unstable05:47
rgautammine in 3.105:47
pax:c)05:47
paxand cat /etc/issue ?05:47
rgautamUbuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l05:48
paxthat was for jsubl2 05:48
jsubl2Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l05:48
paxI know whatcha using rag05:48
paxrgautam* sorry05:48
jsubl2it is: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20050813/breezy-install-amd64.iso05:49
rgautamok05:49
paxnah I'll wait until october05:49
jsubl2well i have ran linux along time.. this is just on a 20G partition i had to spare.  no big deal..05:49
rgautamhoary hedgehog (5.04) is doing fine. I will upgrade when there is a major release/05:50
jsubl2like to take the new stuff for a spin now an then05:50
paxI tried Colony CD 2 pretty impressive05:50
paxyeah that's what Live is for jsubl2 ;-)05:50
paxftp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/breezy/colony-2/breezy-live-i386.iso05:51
jsubl2pax.. this looks good.. i think i will stay with it for a while.. 05:51
paxhelp with bug reporting :c)05:51
jsubl2yeha05:51
jsubl2yeah05:51
jsubl2well night05:51
paxg'night 05:51
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c0rrupt_whats the command to upgrade to kde 3.4.205:55
paxadd deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main to your sources.list05:56
paxthen sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade05:57
c0rrupt_Thanks.05:57
paxsudo apt-get updgrade while you are at it05:57
paxnp.05:57
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c0rrupt_Err http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main kdelibs4 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary206:02
c0rrupt_  Connection timed out06:02
c0rrupt_o.006:02
paxhttp://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php get one of these06:02
paxyou just lost connection, try again06:03
c0rrupt_lol being owned by nessus06:04
c0rrupt_yea06:04
c0rrupt_im being owned by nessus06:04
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paxcongratulation!06:05
c0rrupt_....06:05
jk-does anyone have usb devices automounting ?06:08
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c0rrupt_fstab06:16
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benjamin1254pax is there a war to restor my system back to defalt w/o the cd?06:30
benjamin1254way*06:30
paxyou want to test your system for what?06:31
benjamin1254i want to completely restore my system back to defalt since it is running slower then b406:31
benjamin1254but i dont have the kubuntu cd cuz a friend of mine has it06:32
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paxto restore you need backup, but let's go over this, the system is slow?06:32
benjamin1254yes06:32
benjamin1254stutters slow06:32
paxin console type: ksysguard06:32
paxcheck what's using your cpu and ram resources06:33
benjamin1254what is xorg?06:34
paxI remember you trying to fix superkaramba, those fancy eye candy suckers can drain your system06:34
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benjamin1254yeah but it says xorg is using alot of my system resorces06:35
paxxserver-xorg is needed, everything GUI is based on it06:35
paxleave it alone06:35
benjamin1254k06:35
benjamin1254yeah xorg is using tones of resorces06:36
benjamin1254its slowing me down06:36
paxwhat else other than xorg is using lots of ram and cpu?06:37
benjamin1254ksysguard is the other thing but thats like 1%06:38
benjamin1254wthats for cpu06:38
benjamin1254whats ram under06:38
benjamin1254as labled06:38
paxksysguard is what you are using to see that stuff06:39
paxin console type: uptime06:39
paxand paste here to see your system load06:39
benjamin1254k06:40
benjamin1254 00:40:38 up  2:52,  2 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.0406:40
paxjeez that's too much, and who's the second user?06:41
benjamin1254me06:41
benjamin1254im the only user06:41
paxare you running any servers?06:41
benjamin1254no not that i know of.. i dont know how to run ne @ all06:42
paxdo you see any processes you are not running there?06:42
benjamin1254nope06:43
benjamin1254let me  ceck again06:44
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benjamin1254apache2 is running alot06:45
benjamin1254like 5 times06:45
paxsudo /etc/init.d/apache stop06:45
benjamin1254should i kill apache2?06:46
paxif you are not using it, stop it not kill it06:46
benjamin1254benjamin1254@ubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop06:46
benjamin1254Password:06:46
benjamin1254sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found06:46
paxsudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop06:46
benjamin1254why was a web server running06:47
paxapache2 <- assumed you are using apache1.3, sorry.06:47
paxwho the hell knows, you didnt have it running?06:47
benjamin1254no i dident even start it06:47
benjamin1254thats odd06:47
paxdo yourself a favor, scan your ports see what's running06:48
benjamin1254how?06:48
paxsudo apt-get install nmap06:49
paxnmap localhost06:49
benjamin1254idk .. again a bit of a newbish looser... but hey i live by learning.. and do u know of ne good firewalls cuz of this issue?06:49
paxwe'll get there. and it's fine to be a newb as long as you read docs and ask questions.06:50
benjamin1254iok as soon as i run the app i should scan local ports06:50
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benjamin1254hey is it ok if i send the output here?06:52
paxno use some pastebin06:52
paxor #flood06:52
benjamin1254#flood?06:52
paxyes join #flood and paste there06:52
benjamin1254how bouyt i post it on my site and send u the url in a IM 06:53
benjamin1254what is PID?06:54
paxhttp://pastebin.com/06:54
paxProcess ID06:54
benjamin1254ine more sugestions pax?06:58
paxbenjamin1254: the load is still high?06:58
benjamin1254load on xorg still high 06:58
paxbenjamin1254: in console type: top06:58
paxpaste the first 4 lines here06:59
benjamin1254how would i pause th output?07:00
paxjust paste the first 4 lines (top)07:01
benjamin1254i cant07:02
paxif you need help with top, just press 'h' 07:02
benjamin1254when i do it goes away b4 i can paste07:02
paxbenjamin1254: focus, not the list just the TOP 4 lines :-)07:03
paxtop - 01:03:31 up  9:51,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.16, 0.14 <- this the first line07:03
paxTasks:  97 total,   1 running,  96 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie <- second line07:04
paxCpu(s):  1.7% us,  0.7% sy,  0.0% ni, 96.4% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  1.3% si <- third line07:04
paxjust like that benjamin1254 07:04
benjamin1254op - 01:04:28 up  3:16,  2 users,  load average: 0.60, 0.86, 0.9407:04
benjamin1254Tasks:  76 total,   3 running,  73 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie07:04
benjamin1254Cpu(s):  4.3% us,  2.3% sy,  0.0% ni, 93.4% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si07:04
benjamin1254Mem:    256812k total,   244432k used,    12380k free,    22520k buffers07:04
benjamin1254Swap:   746980k total,     2696k used,   744284k free,   105856k cached07:04
benjamin1254xorg still the highest07:05
paxwhat else other than xorg?07:05
benjamin1254konsole and ksysguard07:06
paxclose ksysguard07:06
benjamin1254thats all and they arent even high at all not even 1%07:06
benjamin1254kopete and konsole and how should i shutdown the other user that is up?07:07
paxyour CPU is at 4.3% that's not bad, but your ram is heavily used07:07
paxother user?07:07
benjamin1254yeah i have 2 users but i am 1 user07:07
benjamin1254it says i have 2 users logged in07:07
benjamin1254i wana shut the other out07:08
paxin console type: who -a07:08
benjamin1254what u want pasted in here07:08
benjamin1254the bottum 2?07:08
paxyes07:09
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benjamin1254benjamin ? :0           Aug 15 23:10   ?         1085807:09
benjamin1254benjamin ? :0           Aug 15 23:10   ?         1085807:09
paxdid you use 'switch user' by any chance?07:09
benjamin1254nope07:10
benjamin1254but i can log out of it and then log backinto this one07:10
paxhow many tabs you have open in konsole?07:10
benjamin1254207:10
paxok close 107:11
benjamin1254type it again07:11
paxthen who -a and see how many users are there07:11
benjamin1254to make it not a pain in the toosh here u go take a look07:12
benjamin1254http://pastebin.com/33799707:12
benjamin1254u see it07:13
benjamin1254?07:13
paxyes, I have no clue how you are logged in twice, log out then back in07:13
benjamin1254k07:13
benjamin1254ill be back in07:13
paxwhatever you do do not reboot.07:14
benjamin1254ok ill log out and back in then07:15
benjamin1254be back in a sec07:15
benjamin1254do i hit end surrent session?07:15
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benjamin1254k now what pax07:18
benjamin1254i dident reboot07:18
benjamin1254just ended session07:18
benjamin1254i did who -a and i wound up with basicly the same output07:19
benjamin1254but its faster this time around07:20
paxalright then07:21
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benjamin1254yeah want the top output?07:23
benjamin1254i still dont know how im logged in 2x07:23
paxcheck your load with uptime07:24
benjamin1254uptime k07:25
benjamin125401:25:34 up  3:37,  2 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.19, 0.3707:25
benjamin1254thats better then the last07:25
paxgood :c)07:25
benjamin1254yeah now the cpu load is much less its .3 to .5 for xorg07:27
benjamin1254what would i use if i wanted to make a website hosted on my pc?07:29
phreakysapache07:29
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phreakystime for sleepysleep07:30
benjamin1254lol im srry man at least u havet been up as much as me07:30
phreakyswell, its allready 20 hours07:30
phreakysim getting pretty weird07:30
benjamin1254so how do u do the action thing again i wasent here 4 that lasnight .. i was using the bathroom and u loged out man07:30
phreakysehm07:31
phreakysaction thing?07:31
phreakyssplashy?07:31
thoreauputicbenjamin1254:  /me does something07:31
phreakysaaah07:31
phreakysyes07:31
benjamin1254k07:31
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phreakysif you want to host a website on your pc, use apache, php, mysql and tranquilizers07:31
benjamin1254tranquilizers LMFAO for the people who cant sleep nd surf at all time of the night like me07:32
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phreakys:)07:33
phreakysok, later...07:33
benjamin1254l8er man 07:33
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benjamin1254lol07:33
benjamin1254im srry im getting use to the whole action thing07:34
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Wizzardpls, how can I auto-enable DMA on all optical drives?08:36
seaLneWizzard: have a look at hdparm08:53
WizzardI checked out the help, but it did not help me08:55
seaLnehttp://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ultra-DMA-8.html08:57
Wizzardyep, thanks, but I need to set it on every boot09:01
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seaLneWizzard: change it in /etc/default/hdparm09:02
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seaLneWizzard: or possibly youmight want to change stuff in /etc/hdparm.conf09:04
Wizzardoh, yes, it could help, thx much09:05
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ilba7ranyone know where i can get engage for enlightenment DR1609:25
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matthewhey everybody =)09:31
matthewi've got a silly question.09:32
matthewanyone awake?09:32
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baodoes someone know how to make a folder in /usr/, i cant cause the damn permission09:33
baowhat about doing a account to root or login in to the account "root"09:34
PieD1- why do you have to create a folder in /usr ?09:34
PieD2- sudo mkdir /usr/nameofyourfolder09:34
baotheres a program that needs a folder there09:34
baotnx!09:34
matthewi can't figure out how to install a program09:36
PieDuse synaptic or kynaptic09:36
matthewok, i've downloaded the latest version of firefox09:36
matthewbut i can't figure out how to open it through kynaptic09:36
PieDyou don't have to download anything manually09:37
PieDjust use kynaptic, select firefox in the list09:37
PieDclic on apply09:38
PieDand that's done09:38
matthewok, done.  but i can't seem to find it anyplace09:39
PieDalt+f2 => firefox (for instance)09:39
PieDIt may appear shortly in the menu09:39
matthewalt+f2 brings up my command prompt09:40
PieD?09:40
PieDsorry I can't help with different shortcuts :/09:40
PieDtry from the menu : execute a command09:40
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matthewi really just want to reinstall windows, but when i try to use my rescue disc, GRUB gives me a partition error.09:41
matthewerror 17.09:41
matthewthe only info i've found on it has to do with dual boot machines, and is above my head09:41
PieDgrub says "error 17" ? surprising, they often give true error messages09:41
matthewyeah.  any ideas about how to resolve that, or where to find info?09:42
PieDno because I don't have any windows09:43
matthewi don't have a problem with formatting the machine and starting from scratch, i just don't know how to go about it now that kubuntu is here09:43
PieDwhy did you remove windows when you installed kubuntu if you need windows ?09:43
matthewwell, my computer basically died.  when i revived it, i figured on a lark i would try kubuntu, since i've been meaning to see what it's all about09:45
matthewbut i've found that the learning curve is a little steeper than i'd anticipated, and i don't really have the time or patience to learn it now09:45
PieD..09:45
matthewand i don't seem to be able to restore my system from the system restore disc because of the partitioning...09:46
matthewthe forementioned grub error09:46
PieD?09:46
matthewso, i want to go back to windows, but this error 17 won't let me09:46
PieDthere's something wrong in your sentences09:46
PieDyou says the restore disc won't work09:47
PieDwhat's its relation with grub ?09:47
matthewwell, when i try and do a system restore, it boots from the windows restore CD, and goes through the whole process of copying files back to the factory-installed state09:47
matthewand then restarts.  when it restarts from the hard drive, i get the grub error09:48
PieDperhaps because the rescue discs damage the partitions ?09:48
matthewperhaps.  i don't know anything about partitions.  i know windows doesn't use grub at all.09:49
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seaLnethe rescue disk probably completly replaces everything on the hard disk, but the bit of grub left is in the MBR09:54
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matthewwhat can i do to fix it?09:55
seaLneboot off a dos disk and run fdisk /mbr i think 09:56
seaLnenot often you want to put windows on a machine that had been upgraded to linux09:56
matthewha, well, if i could figure out how to install anything, it would be different! =)09:57
PieDseaLne: you understand, that's hard to discover that windows isn't the rule09:57
matthewbut i've been fighting with it for an hour to try and install firefox with flash09:57
matthewand i miss itunes. =)09:57
seaLneyou tried amarok?09:58
PieDmatthew: because you don't want to learn 09:58
seaLneuse kynaptic to install software09:58
matthewi do want to learn, which is why i have the software in the first place, but this week i have things i actually need to accomplish on my computer, and i need a system i understand in order to get them done09:58
seaLnefair enough09:59
matthewi tried installing firefox through kynaptic; it looked like it worked, but it didn't show up in any menu, so i'm not sure how or where to open it10:00
seaLnetry typing mozilla-firefox in the run option in KMenu10:00
seaLnei'd consider it a bug it not being added to the menus but not everything is...10:01
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matthewhm, maybe some progress here10:03
matthewi tried committing the changes in kynaptic again and it's doing a bunch of stuff10:03
matthewi don't see american english as an option for firefox... i guess british english is close enough, but it seems like us should be there as well10:04
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PieDisn't american english the default language ?10:04
matthewhm, i dunno.  it's not listed in kynaptic, as far as i can see10:06
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nikkiamatthew: the way to think of the language packs are that they ADD translations to american english10:13
nikkiamatthew: ie, for american english, don't install any language packs :)10:13
matthewcool, thanks, nikkia... but how do i find firefox in default american english if i want to run it? =)10:14
nikkiamatthew: you just install and run 'mozilla-firefox'10:14
matthewi'm sorry, i'm really not a nitwit on some operating systems, i swear... but i'm not sure how to do that on kubuntu!10:15
nikkiamatthew, well, for a start, i wouldn't recommend kynaptic :) but find 'mozilla-firefox' in that list, and install it, thats all there is really, after that, it'll appear in the menus, or you can use alt-F2 and type 'mozilla-firefox' into the window10:18
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matthewnikkia, what would you recommend instead?10:19
nikkiasynaptic or aptitude10:19
PieDsynaptic10:19
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matthewhow can i load synaptic?10:20
PieDfrom kynaptic, install synaptic :)10:22
PieDare there a lot of progress in the work on a new package manager for kubuntu 5.10 ?10:22
matthewhooray!!  i got firefox working!10:23
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matthewthanks very much10:23
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matthewi'm having troule finding java10:29
matthewit's not working in konqueror or firefox, and i don't see it in kynaptic...10:29
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PieDmatthew: java is a proprietary tool, so it cannot be provided with kynaptic10:31
matthewthanks pieD... presumably i can install it with synaptic?10:33
PieDno10:33
PieDsynaptic and kynaptic provide the same softwares10:33
matthewah.  how can i install it?10:33
PieD!java10:33
ubotu[java]  to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java10:33
matthewhandy!10:33
Tranquitosanybody knows how to use the Xine engine in amaroK?10:35
Tranquitosi've installed it, but it seems amaroK is not recognizing it10:36
matthewit says i have to login as the root user to run synaptic.  i thought i was logged in as the root user?10:36
PieD??10:37
PieDon my computer, I start synaptic with alt-F2 => kdesu synaptic10:37
PieD(I don't use the K menu, it's too far from my mouse)10:37
setitewhats a good app for ripping mp3s10:42
PieDsetite: konqueror ?10:42
paineskaudiocreator10:42
setitekaudiocreator.. couldnt figure that out...10:42
setitegot some error about creating the file10:42
paines?10:42
paineswhich file ?10:43
setitethe ripped file10:43
setiteim trying to rip a cd and it errored10:43
setiteill do it again and tell you what it said10:43
painessetite, startup kaudiocreator, put in the cd, if the cd is orginal or burned properly, than a cddb looup should give you back to song names, the select the songs and start10:44
setiteyea its ripping right now10:45
setiteand it is an original10:45
setiteok the error is10:45
painessetite, did you still get an error message ?10:45
setiteCannot place file, unable to make directories10:45
painessetite, could it be that you are trying to place the ripped songs in a place where you don't have eniugh rights?10:46
painestry setting it in home10:46
setitedunno10:46
setitei think it is set in home... lemme check10:46
setitegah10:48
PieDkonqueror is easier : insert the audio cd, open konqueror, go to audiocd:/10:48
setitekonqueror does too much!10:48
setitehaha... its scary10:49
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setitei think i see what i did... checking to see if it works10:49
PieDsetite: konqueror isn't doing too much10:49
paineskonqueror=swiss army knife10:49
setiteshit now im having a new error10:49
PieDeverything is "optionnal"10:49
setiteselected encoder not found10:49
setitejesus ok im gonna see what konqueror can do10:50
painessetite, apt-get ogg vorbis tools10:50
setitei want mp310:50
PieDthen install lame10:50
painesyeah10:50
setitei have it10:50
setiteand libmad010:50
setiteand gstream-lame10:50
setiteand i registered them10:50
PieDbut konqueror doesn't know how to extract a CD into mp3 or oggs10:51
PieDit's only able to handle files in KIO10:51
setitequestiopn... when i select my cd in konqueror10:52
setitewhat is all this stuff i see10:52
PieDand a KIO knows how to manage a filesystem, another KIO knows how to extract tracks from a CD..10:52
PieDthat's virtual files10:52
setiteis it konqueror stuff...10:52
setiteok good10:52
setitei was freaking10:52
PieDthat's why I'm worrying when they say they want to simplify it for KDE410:52
setiteok that one click thing needs to be removed again... thats next on my list after i figure this out10:53
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setitei just opened and copied everythign in the cd when i was just tryign to right click10:53
PieDI love the single click !10:54
PieDwhy should we switch to double click ?10:55
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setiteok hello11:02
setitei had to restart11:02
setitestupid one-click11:02
setitei disabled so im ready to try again11:03
setiteso to rip with konqueror what do i do11:03
setiteselect the cd from storage media right11:03
PieDwhat's stupid with one click is that you're not used to it11:03
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setitenah i got used to it... but i selected the files... but upon the right click they all opened11:03
setitethats the first time it happened11:04
PieDnever had that11:04
setiteand it shall be the last too11:04
PieDthat's not related to single click !11:04
setitewell something got screwy11:04
setitebut yea thats over now11:04
setiteok what exactly do i do with these virtual folders11:06
setitei tried to copy and paste the mp3s...11:06
setitewait now thats working11:07
setiteis it really that easy?11:07
setiteomfg... are you serious11:08
setiteok i take back what i said abotu konqueror doing too much...11:08
setitekonqueror is quite the fitting name11:08
nikkiapied, there are serious limitations on doing multiple selections, and drag and drop, with single click enabled11:09
PieDnikkia: never had a problem because of that11:10
nikkiapied, then you're 'special' i guess11:10
setitei can see why he went off about it... it is a blessing and a curse in my opinion11:10
PieDto select multiple files I never clicked on the icons11:10
PieDand for drag'n'drop, where is the problem ?11:10
nikkiapied, the best example of why single click is broken, is to try and use k3b :)11:11
setitekonqueror rocks!11:12
setitethats all i know11:12
setitein the end it just ripped an mp3 by copying and pasting a virtual file... encoding in the process11:12
setitei mean what a concept11:12
PieDnikkia: I've no problem here11:12
setitehas KDE been out longer than gnome11:12
nikkiasetite, yeah, the audiocd:// ioslave is nice11:12
nikkiasetite: off the top of my head, no, gnome would have been first, just11:13
setiteyea.. dont know what that is but i agree with you :)11:13
setiteis there an advantage to gnome? because im dying to find one11:13
nikkiasetite, if you open audiocd:/ in konqueror, it gives you the contents of a CD as a list of rippable/encodable files, mp3, ogg, flac, etc11:13
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setitefrom what i hear its more stable.. but thats all i see11:13
nikkiasetite, you just drag the file to your HD and its ripped & encoded, or you open a file in a media player, and it rips, encodes, and plays11:13
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setitenikkia yea thats what im doing... i just didnt know what the ioslave part meant exactly11:14
nikkiasetite, ioslaves are a KDE system that allows plugins to be written to deal with IO in some way11:14
setiteo?so on the latter part... opening in a media player... it rips and encodes that way top11:14
setitei assumed that it just tricked the program into thinking it was an mp311:15
setitewell not tricked11:15
nikkiasetite, for example, the ability to access remote filesystems via sftp makes konqueror behave as kbear, since you can open a 2-pane konqueror window, and connect to a ftp or sftp host, and just drag files between the panes11:15
setitewell if i just opened them directly where would they go11:15
nikkiasetite, they're ripped, encoded, and played from /tmp11:15
setitedamn i need a konqueror manual...11:15
setiteso does konqueror have a goal?11:16
setiteor is it just supposed to do everything11:16
setitethe ripping thing is awesome... but it seems odd11:16
nikkiasetite, most of what konqueror does, isn't done by konqueror11:16
nikkiasetite, its just a side effect of how ioslaves and kparts work11:17
setitewell yea i figured that it was an interface for all these things...11:17
nikkiasetite, its not, not really11:17
nikkiaits just these are standard KDE features that konqueror *can* use11:17
setitebleh.. your nitpicking11:17
nikkiasetite, let me put it another way11:17
nikkiasetite, say i'm listening to an audiocd, and someone on irc says 'i'd like to hear that', i can open the DCC dialog, and because its a kde app, the irc client can access the .mp3 virtual files via the ioslave, and dcc send a mp3 file by ripping/encoding automatically11:18
nikkiasetite, or i could say 'hold on, i'll send you <some file>' but then i remember <some file> is on my machine at work, i can just use sftp within the dcc dialog to access that file11:19
setitei wonder if the konq browser can do something i cant get done on firefox11:20
nikkiasetite, that'd be ?11:20
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setitei cant listen to xmradio online11:24
setitewmp9 plugin wont work11:24
setitei have the w32codecs package11:24
setiteand i downloaded some other random stuff trying to work it too11:24
nikkiasetite, best chance would be the mplayer plugin for firefox11:26
nikkiabut there's a fair chance it won't work11:26
nikkiasetite, does it work within firefox on windows ?11:26
nikkiaor is it IE only ?11:26
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setitenikkia you there?11:34
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setitei got dc'd11:34
nikkiayes11:34
setitestupid EVDO card... i dont even know for a while when my connection is nixxed11:35
setitelast thing i heard you say was what was my firefox issue11:35
setitehttp://xmradio.com/xstream/11:35
setitei cant even get to that in konqueror11:35
thoreauputicnikkia: just out of curiosity - why do we never see you in #ubuntu? You would be a valuablr contributor, it seems to me ...11:35
thoreauputic*valuable11:36
setitein firefox i can log into the radio thing... but when i attempt to tune to a station i get a plugin error... and i get sent to windows.com11:36
setiteshhh thoreauputic .. i get him to myself in here11:36
setitehehe11:36
nikkiasetite, him?11:36
setiteyea i thought i used to see him in ubuntu11:36
thoreauputicsetite: she, methinks11:36
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thoreauputicsetite:  /whois nikkia  ;)11:37
setiteforgive me... didnt think your gender was important...11:37
thoreauputicsetite: well, not from an expertise viewpoint at least11:38
setiteprecisely my point11:38
setitewell it looks like konqueror falls short of firefox.. which also falls short of what i need it to do11:38
thoreauputicnikkia: do you have an answer for my question? Feel free to ignore it if you prefer :)11:39
nikkiathoreauputic: which question ?11:39
thoreauputicc nikkia: just out of curiosity - why do we never see you in #ubuntu? You would be a valuable contributor,11:39
thoreauputicetc11:40
nikkiaah, i started to write a response, then didn't hit enter :P11:40
thoreauputicah11:40
nikkiathoreauputic: i used to hang out there, but i couldn't keep up with both channels at the same time11:40
thoreauputicnikkia: fair enough11:40
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setiteso is there hope to get my windows media player plugin working in FF?11:41
setitei would assume yes since it works on windoze... but then again maybe not11:41
nikkiasetite, mplayer-plugin is your best bet11:42
setitefirefox can use that?11:43
nikkiayes11:43
setitedidnt know that.. thanks11:43
setitenicola? what is that11:44
setitehmmm i have mplayer plugin it seems11:45
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setitehey nikkia11:51
nikkiayes?11:51
setiteim having more success with konqueror than ff but still im having a hangup11:51
setiteit doenst load the channel list... but when i type in the cahnnel it loads the track info11:51
setiteso the wmp9 is working11:51
setitebut im hearing nothing... any ideas?11:52
setitei get that... some apps have sound some dont11:52
nikkiasetite,  you probably need to configure dmix, OR tell mplayer to play via arts11:52
setitekmix?11:53
nikkiano, dmix11:53
nikkiaits an alsa feature that lets multiple programs play sound at the same time11:53
nikkiabut try configuring mplayer first11:53
setiteok...11:53
nikkiacreate ~/.mplayer/config (you might need to make the .mplayer directory in your home directory first) and put in it the line 'ao=arts' i think it is11:54
nikkiaactually, just do mplayer -ao help   and see what output methods it lists, first11:54
setitein terminal>?11:55
nikkiayes11:55
setitenot working11:55
setitebash bla command not found11:55
nikkiahmmm, anyone else with mplayer installed can list the output methods ?11:57
nikkiai can't remember if its arts, artsd, or artsc :)11:57
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nikkiasetite: just try putting 'ao=' for each of those 3 choices then, and after saving the file, try playing back a media file in firefox12:03
nikkia(you need to restart firefox each time, so i'd suggest putting a mpg in /tmp or something and opening file://tmp/blah.mpg or something)12:05
Yannick_RHello12:05
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Yannick_RI'm having some troubles, since I started my computer this morning, in the kde programs (konqueror, kopete, ..) when I type special french fonts it displays 2 squares symbol12:08
Yannick_Rsomebody knows where I could find some info to fix this ?12:08
Yannick_Rin no-kde programs it works (firefox)12:09
nikkiaf'ing woo!12:11
nikkiamy new DVD+RW drive does dual layer -R12:11
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Yannick_Rlooks like the problem comes from .fonts.conf12:12
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nikkiabbiab, have to install this new drive12:29
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verden01hey12:43
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blackfireOk magic question: anybody has managed to make a wireless card run under amd64? :P01:08
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: http://www.kubuntu.de/shop/catalog/index.php?cPath=30 | KDE 3.4.2 Packages are out: http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php | Nederlands #kubuntu-nl | Espaol #kubuntu-es | Deutsch #kubuntu-de | Unofficial Kubuntu FAQ http://kudos.berlios.de/ | bugs: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com
=== Topic (#kubuntu): set by jpatrick at Fri Aug 12 15:56:18 2005
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McScrufflo01:58
McScruffinstalled kde 3.4.2 and now m having trouble setting up samba01:59
BjoernVDMSamba server, or client?02:01
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McScruffserver02:08
Wizzardhi, does anybody know how to set hdparm.conf? I tried to edit it, but it never sets both optical drives... one of them cannotbe found02:10
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BjoernVDMhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html <-- read this, Wizzard ?02:12
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BjoernVDMWhat is that, Nikkia?02:19
nikkiaBjoernVDM: dual layer DVD-R discs02:19
nikkiamy new burner supports  them02:19
BjoernVDMk02:19
nikkiabut they're a little thin on the ground for finding media (most dual layer media is DVD+R)02:19
BjoernVDMHeh. 40 Euros for ONE.02:20
BjoernVDMHow can that be worth it, I wonder.02:21
nikkiaBjoernVDM: has to be a typo02:21
nikkiai found a place selling them for 4/each02:21
BjoernVDMOh, no, actually 40 for 5.02:21
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nikkiabut i'm sure i can get cheaper than that, DL +R is down to 1/each if you shop around02:21
nikkiathat sounds more 'reasonable'02:21
BjoernVDMYup.02:21
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Chefen:p02:31
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Chefennn Svensk eller ?02:31
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phreakysis there a way that kde can warn me before im about to delete something from desktop?02:49
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bufalo73hello02:58
bufalo73after my last apt-get upgrade I've lost all my icons02:58
bufalo73not only on my user02:58
bufalo73has anybody this problem?02:58
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CellarDoorhi folks03:04
CellarDoorI have a question about using Kpackage in Kubuntu03:04
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CellarDoorWhen I wan't to install something with Kpackage it asks for my root (su) password and won't accept my sudo password. Is there any way around this other than using kynaptic or simply opening a terminal ?03:06
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CellarDoorhello ?03:07
CellarDoorI kinda like Kpackage and it would be nice to be able to install things with it rather than just looking at stuff and using something else to install things03:08
nxv_hi, i have the problem to hear my mic on my own speakers, results in a feedback if input to the mic is too loud. the green switch of the mic is disabled in kmix03:08
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CellarDoornxv_ hi, have you tried enabling the green switch and turning the volume up for it ?03:09
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nxv_CellarDoor: the mic is in the input section. only one bar. at the top the green button at the bottom red button03:10
nxv_CellarDoor: can't controll them separatly. thought green enables playback, red record03:11
CellarDoorah hmm03:12
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nxv_the mic buttons don't seam to have an influence, even if i disable both mic is still active03:13
nxv_only when disabling red capture button mic is of03:13
CellarDoorI'm just looking at mine03:13
CellarDoorIt might cause feedback if your mic is too close to speakers03:14
nxv_i guess i shouldn't get an output of my mic, i want it record only. no playback03:14
CellarDoorI've never had any issues with it03:15
nxv_do u hear something if u blow into ur mic?03:15
CellarDoormine's turned all the way up with green and red on03:15
CellarDooryes 03:15
nxv_and if disable green switch?03:15
CellarDoorno sound if green is disabled03:16
nxv_i'd like the same behaviour, but it ignores my kmix mic settings03:16
CellarDoorhmm03:16
nxv_kmix->input->mic03:16
CellarDoordoes your mic have its own volume ? Speakers vol turned up ?03:17
nxv_i can disable any button, change volume no change03:17
CellarDooryeah I have sound no problems03:17
nxv_when i change the capture volume it has an influence03:18
nxv_if i select mic2 in switches it is entirly disabled03:18
CellarDoorperhaps something else is turned on that might be disabling it ?03:18
nxv_i can get it to work03:18
nxv_but not controll its playback03:18
CellarDoorwhat do you mean by playback ?03:19
nxv_wether it works with feedback or it doesn't do anything03:19
nxv_playback= hearing the input of my own mic03:19
CellarDooryou recording and not getting sound ?03:19
nxv_CellarDoor: i can't do rec only. recording sound without hearing my self on the speaker03:20
CellarDoorwell I can tell you what all my settings are on if you like ?03:20
nxv_u said u have two controll bars for ur mic03:20
nxv_right?03:20
CellarDoorIn the Output section all my settings are on and all the way up or almost all the way up03:21
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CellarDoorIn Input: Line is currently off, CD green is on all the way up without red on, Mic green and red on with slider all the way up, Phone and AUX are off, Capture is on and almost all the way up.03:23
nxv_shack.us/my.php?image=snapshot35qv.png03:23
nxv_http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/5422/snapshot35qv.png03:24
nikkiaCellarDoor: i fail to understand why you want sound from the speakers of the mic input03:24
nikkiaCellarDoor: its going to feedback whatever you do for two reasons03:24
CellarDoornikkia, I'm not the one with the problem03:24
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nxv_http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/2678/snapshot51dl.png03:24
nikkiaa) its obviously an omni-directional mic, b) having the mic on the speakers loud enough to hear over your own voice is going to be loud enough to feedback :)03:25
CellarDoorthough mine is outputting sound and not feeding back03:25
nxv_that's what it looks like here03:25
nxv_nikkia: i wan't to turn off my mics playback, but can't get it done03:25
nikkianxv, use alsamixer03:25
nikkianxv, in playback, set the mic volume to 0, then press TAB to go to recording, and set mic as the capture device, and move the capture fader to about 50-75% (any higher and it'll probably distort)03:26
CellarDoorah03:26
CellarDoorgotta go anyway03:27
CellarDoorcyas03:27
CellarDooroh03:27
CellarDoorbefore I go03:27
nikkiaalsa doesn't provide seperate recording/playback controls for the mic, on most cards, kmix just lies and sets the playback level03:27
CellarDoornikkia do you know if I can use Kpackage using my sudo password ? It doesn't accept it, asks for su password.03:28
nikkiayou have to remember, that when kmix was written, it was written against OSS, and it did things a little differently03:28
nikkiaCellarDoor: no idea, haven't really used kpackage03:28
CellarDoorah ok then03:28
CellarDoorbye all03:29
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nxv_nikkia: doesn't help, i see it disabled in alsamixer(gui) (tried both)03:30
nxv_but still hear it03:30
nxv_if i disable mic boost, i don't here it anymore, but i guess it is just too silent03:30
nikkiahmmm, looks like 4.85 is about as cheap as i can get DL DVD-R discs :/03:31
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phreakysim trying to copy large amounts of files from cd, but its so...slow03:41
phreakysis there a way to make it faster?03:41
thoreauputicphreakys: do you have dma enabled for the CD drive?03:43
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Wizzardit is possible to have some package marked as local or absolete when there is the same package version available in the repository?03:56
nxv_does kweather work 4 u?03:59
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jjessemorning04:16
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nikkiaapokryphos!04:26
apokryphosnikkia: heyhey04:26
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nikkiaapokryphos: you know the other day i was saying there were no DVD-R Dual Layer burners, apart from pioneer's ?04:27
nikkiaapokryphos: my brand new drive has on the box 'Supports Dual-Layer +R and -R at 16x!!' :)04:27
apokryphoswoah04:27
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apokryphosnikkia: and you've had that for long?04:27
nikkiaerm, at 4x, rather04:27
nikkiaapokryphos: came today04:27
nikkiaapokryphos: LiteOn 16x burner04:28
apokryphosHeh, and you casually missed that on the description? ;-)04:28
nikkiareplaces my 12x LG04:28
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nikkiaapokryphos: i honestly didn't look at the description04:28
apokryphosHow much was it?04:28
nikkiaapokryphos: i wanted a LiteOn DVD-R, and it was the only one they sold04:28
nikkiaapokryphos: 25 ? something like that04:28
apokryphos:-O04:28
sproingiei'm sure mine is dual layer04:28
sproingieprobably the same brand, LiteOn04:28
nikkiasproingie: on +R or +R AND -R ?04:29
nikkiasproingie: -R Dual layer has been somewhat of a mystery until recently04:29
nikkiapioneer announced support like 18 months ago, and discs were available straight away...04:29
sproingienikkia heck if i know.  i never see dual layer media selling for cheap04:29
nikkiabut the drives to support it haven't appeared until the last couple of months04:29
sproingiei buy mine when it's on sale04:29
apokryphosThat's one thing I both love and hate about computer things -- prices are *guaranteed* to go low04:29
nikkiaapokryphos: i wish -R DL discs would go low :/04:30
nikkiaapokryphos: they're 4.50ish compared to 1ish for +R DL04:30
apokryphosnikkia: hopefully this Saturday I'll have my new comp! Heh. Results anounced on Thursday, eek04:30
sproingiedl might never really catch if blu-ray burners come out next year04:30
nikkiaapokryphos: thats what the rest of the order that came this morning was, a PC for my SO (sick of waiting for my boss to get my those two shuttles, so i'll take one as a music workstation when they arrive)04:31
nikkiaapokryphos: 120 for a Sempron 2600, not bad04:31
apokryphosnot bad at all04:31
nikkia(thats full system minus drives)04:31
apokryphosheh04:31
nikkiaand a 80GB maxtor was only 3004:31
apokryphosRe: your boss... you just gotta keep dropping subtle hints :P04:32
nikkiaso i bought a 80GB maxtor, and a new DVD-R for me, the SO's PC gets the old LG DVD-R thats a touch annoying :)04:32
nikkiaapokryphos: i have, problem is, his reason for not ordering them yet is valid :/04:32
apokryphos30? Wow, they're really shooting down. Hoping for a 200GB or so... wonder how much they'll cost04:32
nikkiaapokryphos: he needds to order 8 PCs total, 2 for me, and 6 for our products04:32
nikkiaunfortunately, the supplier wants more for the shipping for 8 PCs than the cost of the 8 PCs04:33
nikkiaapokryphos: i've seen 200GB SATA for around 6004:33
nikkiaapokryphos: and i stole the SATA cables from this new PC :P04:33
nikkiait only has a single PATA drive, so it has no need at all for the 2 SATA cables and 2 molex->SATA power adapters :P04:34
apokryphosMore for the shipping? Is he serious? :|04:34
nikkiaapokryphos: spanish company :/04:34
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_dennishey folks04:34
nikkiaapokryphos: they sell us a shuttle-X for around 10004:34
nikkiaapokryphos: thats with a Sempron 280004:34
apokryphosI've forgotten all the names for the HDs :(. Last time I went computer market though the guy was telling me about new type of hard-drive...or perhaps not so new; but faster.04:34
nikkiaapokryphos: unfortunately, because they're spanish, they charge around 95 for shipping :/04:34
apokryphosI imagine they'll be more. Really gotta brush up on my terminology here ;-)04:34
seaLnenikkia: couldn't you fly there and get them for less? :)04:35
nikkiaapokryphos: thats 100 for a Sempron 2800, 1GB ram, 60GB HDD, DVD-R04:35
_dennishmm, why does resuming my thinkpad r50p works after i suspended it using /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, but not after i suspended it by closing the lid? (in the latter case the thinkpad is alive, but the display stays black)04:35
nikkiaseaLne: i imagine that is the 'alternative shipping arrangement' he's arranging :P04:35
nikkiaapokryphos: we also buy 23" LCDs from them for 15004:35
apokryphosnikkia: there's gotta be something illegal there ;-)04:36
apokryphos23" -- only something I can dream about04:36
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_dennisand another question: why does the "Network Settings" widget of my control center just says "Loading ..." after i clicked "Administrator Mode"?04:36
nikkiaapokryphos: they have direct business accounts with Samsung and Shuttle04:36
nikkiaapokryphos: i have one sat here, collecting dust :O04:36
apokryphos_dennis: known bug; you can either (i) upgrade to kde 3.4.2 (should be fixed there); or (ii) kdesu kcontrol04:36
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apokryphosnikkia: I wanted to go for a 19" this time but not sure at all anymore04:37
nikkiaapokryphos: i stuck with 1704:37
_dennisapokryphos: i did a dist-upgrade yesterday. shouldn't i be running 3.4.2 now?04:37
nikkiaapokryphos: the refresh is generally better, IME04:37
apokryphosnikkia: a few pals in #kde telling me that there's no point, as resolution is still stuck at 1024 :|04:37
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nikkiaapokryphos: this is a 4mS refresh, 17", with portrait/landscape swivel, cost me 140-some04:37
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, i couldn't find a 19 with > 1280x102404:38
nikkiaapokryphos: and whats the point in having 'slightly bigger pixels' ?04:38
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dennis-oops04:38
apokryphosnikkia: I like the monitor we have now. Samsung SyncMaster 17", we got it really quite long ago, though, and for cheap ;-)04:38
dennis-apokryphos: did you say anything after i left? :)04:38
nikkiaapokryphos: if i could have found a 19 with 1600x1200 and decent refresh, at a reasonable price, i might have gone with 1904:38
nikkiaapokryphos: i won't touch CRT again for monitors04:38
apokryphosnikkia: can you, though?04:38
nikkiaapokryphos: probably not for TV either04:38
nikkiaapokryphos: no, i couldn't find one04:39
apokryphosdennis-: you need to get the 3.4.2 repository04:39
apokryphos!kde34204:39
ubotu[kde342]  at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php04:39
dennis-apokryphos: ah, thx!04:39
nikkiaapokryphos: there are a few high end 19" LCDs with 1600x1280, but they're slow and expensive04:39
apokryphosnikkia: that's the reason it's not worth going for... most 20" do it though, no?04:39
apokryphosBut prices shoot up after 19 :(04:39
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah, but again, slow refresh rates04:39
nikkiaapokryphos: you're into 25mS+ with 20", ok for 'work' but lousy for gaming04:39
apokryphosSlow? 75Hz around04:39
nikkiaapokryphos: thats the interface rate, you need to look at the refresh rate04:40
apokryphos:-O04:40
apokryphoswhat are the disadvantages of a low refresh rate? (I really always thought the Hz was refresh rate... are you sure it isn't? My krandrtray says it is :|)04:40
nikkiaapokryphos: LCD elements take a finite time to switch, so the slower the LCD refresh, the more chance of blurry/traily games04:41
nikkiaapokryphos: you're on CRT, its much more complicated on LCD :)04:41
nikkiaunless that syncmaster is one of the LCD's that samsung called 'syncmaster' (damn them and their product name overloading)04:42
apokryphosIt's flat TFT, but not LCD I don't think, no.04:42
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nikkiaapokryphos: basically, if your pixels take 25mS to switch, which is what you're talking about on 20"+ LCDs, then your effective refresh rate is 40 frames per second, display movement any faster than that, and its going to ghost/blur/trail04:43
nikkiaapokryphos: the monitor electronics may be rated for 75Hz VGA, but it still takes 1/40th of a second for the pixels to change colour04:43
apokryphosNoticeably? :S 04:43
apokryphosI've played games before on a 23" (not LCD/TFT) and it was really sweet there at least04:44
nikkiaapokryphos: if you were playing a game on a 25mS refresh LCD, yes, very noticable04:44
apokryphosnikkia: do those Spanish people have a site? :P04:45
nikkiamodern LCD/TFTs switch at about 4-12mS, depending on brand, so thats 1/250th to 1/80th of a second for the pixels to switch04:45
nikkiaapokryphos: no, they're not a computer retailer, they're a strategic partner of ours04:45
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apokryphosheh04:46
nikkiaapokryphos: they make video entertainment cabinets using shuttle-X/23" panels04:46
apokryphos=)04:46
apokryphosNice stuff04:46
nikkiawe resell the same cabs in the UK, and thus buy hardware related to those from them04:46
apokryphosFor the ugliest possible picture of my current monitor: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/product_zoom.jsp?eUser=&largeImage=/images/prod/product03/b2c_l_171s-silver.jpg&prod_id=GH17LSASJ04:47
sproingieyeah that really shows it off04:47
apokryphosI don't know how they got it to look so ugly; must have taken some effort04:48
phreakysim copying 20000 files from a cd, but its taking more than 2 hours allready04:48
phreakyshow can i speed up the reader?04:48
apokryphosslightly better: http://www.clubic.com/photo/00028895.jpg04:48
nikkiaapokryphos: ah, sorry, mine is 8ms, not 404:48
nikkiahttp://www.acer.co.uk/acereuro/page4.do?dau22.oid=9540&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=17&ctx1=UK&crc=184243641504:49
apokryphosooOOoo04:49
nikkiaapokryphos: still, it was only 140, and it has DVI, and a 'not quite so sucky refresh' which is what i wanted :)04:49
apokryphosnikkia: do you think I'll see a disadvantage anywhere else but in games?04:49
nikkiathe portrait/landscape pivot was just gravy (its just a case of VESA mounting one on a pivot anyway, even if a LCD doesn't support it directly)04:50
apokryphosI don't play them, so hasn't yet hit me :P04:50
nikkiaapokryphos: what is the rate on yours ?04:50
nikkiaapokryphos: i tried searching for that model number, but couldn't find one04:50
apokryphosnikkia: no, on a new one, if I get a 20" or so04:50
nikkiaapokryphos: oh, i dunno, people are annoyed/not-annoyed individually04:50
apokryphosMonitor details: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?prod_id=GH17LSASJ04:50
nikkiawhen i had an old LCD with 25mS refresh, i found it unbearable on FPS, but bearable on other stuff04:51
apokryphosI'm sure I'll ask to properly see the monitor in action, anyhow, before getting it04:51
apokryphosWe got that Monitor though when it was still 700 in PCWorld ;-)04:51
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apokryphos260 I think we got it for, as I recall. Were very proud of it :P04:51
nikkiaapokryphos: that one IS 25mS04:52
apokryphoscool :)04:52
nikkiaapokryphos: you also have to bear in mind 'how good' your PC is that is driving it :)04:54
apokryphosnikkia: if it's unbelievably amazing? ;-)04:54
nikkiaif you're playing doom3 and your PC only manages 25fps, you're not going to notice the 25mS (40fps) ghosting :)04:54
apokryphosI don't really play comp games; I guess I might play a bit on the LAN in Uni (I predict), but in general -- haven't played a game on here for months04:55
nikkiaapokryphos: this is for use at uni ?04:55
apokryphosWhat's most shocking was that King's (in their main halls) didn't have ethernet ports in the rooms :|04:55
nikkiaapokryphos: in that case, my advice would be to spend a little less on the monitor and spend some on a decent VESA arm04:56
apokryphosThey tried to reassure me by saying "There's loads of computer rooms around....", erm.. yeah.04:56
apokryphosnikkia: Uni, yup. VESA arm?04:56
nikkiathat way, when you need to use your desk for non-computer work, you can just move the  monitor out of the way04:56
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nikkiaapokryphos: (almost) all monitors have a VESA 100mm/75mm mounting port on the back04:57
apokryphosohh, those04:57
nikkiaapokryphos: you can usually remove the base completely, and put it on any VESA 100/75 compatible mounting system, a decent arm will hold the monitor over the desk but allow you to swing it out of the way when you're not using it04:57
apokryphosThey're nice, but not sure how much more it would cost. TFTs don't take up much room at all anyway, so wouldn't consider it a huge issue atm04:57
nikkiaapokryphos: a cheap arm is about 2504:58
nikkiaa decent arm is about 10004:58
apokryphosoh wait, I see, they're generic. I thought only particular monitors would have them04:58
nikkiano, thats the point04:58
apokryphosnice :). Yeah, I'll look out for one of those.04:58
nikkiayou buy whichever VESA mount you want (wall, desk, just a better base stand, whatever)04:59
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apokryphosnikkia: Thanks for the tip :)04:59
nikkiahttp://www.wedgwood-group.com/lcd_monitor_desk_stands.htm 05:00
apokryphospretty affordable on ebay by the looks of things05:00
apokryphosup to 235! Heh.05:00
nikkiaapokryphos: why doesn't it surprise me that that one is a Sony05:00
nikkiaits like, affordable...affordable...affordable....sony05:01
nikkiaand i bet it falls apart after 3 months :P05:01
apokryphoshehe05:01
apokryphosreally affordable: http://search.ebay.co.uk/vesa-arm_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 :P05:01
nikkiathose are mostly wall mounts05:01
apokryphosbad idea?05:02
nikkiai can't see the uni being too happy about you drilling holes in the halls wall, no05:02
apokryphosNo problem, I'll use my charm 8)05:02
apokryphosBond, James Bond.05:02
nikkiain fact, when i was at uni, such 'structural damage' was generally terms for expulsion (from the halls, not uni)05:03
apokryphosWell, I shouldn't be counting my chickens -- possibily that I won't get the grades. :|05:03
apokryphoseek05:03
nikkiathe one desk mounting arm on that ebay page, i THINK is the one i've seen for 25 if you shop around05:03
nikkiaebay isn't always cheap :/05:03
nikkiathe place i bought my bass amp modeller from annoyed me with that05:04
nikkiathey have an ebay shop, i was JUST about to order from it, when i thought 'lets check their real mail order shop'05:04
nikkia10 cheaper!05:04
apokryphoshah!05:04
apokryphosDeskmount doesn't look too bad, the one there. Hardly the best make, but looks like it would do the job05:05
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nikkiamy only concern with that, is you can't tell how it mounts to the desk05:05
nikkiawhat you want, is a simple G clamp desk mount05:05
apokryphosMight need ot check out some reviews on it05:06
nikkiathat one MAY still require drilling thru the desk05:06
nikkiaavoid suction cup ones, obviously :)05:06
apokryphosheh05:06
seaLneheh05:06
nikkialast thing you want is to be awoken at night by 'swuuuuuuuuu CRASH'05:06
seaLneespecially if your bed is next to the desk05:06
nikkiaseaLne: it will be, in uni halls05:07
apokryphosnikkia: they're not going to take nicely to drilling on the table, neither, really, are they? What other options are there other than a weighted one, I guess05:07
nikkiaseaLne: you usually get, at best, a 10x15' room05:07
nikkiaapok, G clamp05:07
nikkiaapokryphos: thats what you want....05:07
apokryphosnikkia: hoping not to stay in halls, but in "appartments". Advantages: ethernet sockets (can't really go to Uni without one), and en suite05:07
nikkiathe clamp goes over and around the edge of the desk, and tightens with a screw underneath05:08
apokryphosnikkia: their idea of "appartments", though (funnily enough), is quite a good definition of halls. Around 500 people in one building05:08
nikkiaapokryphos: so, a 10x12' room, with a 10x3' bathroom :P05:08
apokryphosOhh, I remember that type of thing from Technology lessons. Indeed, that would work.05:08
apokryphosnikkia: sure :P. En Suite is worth getting definitely, say my sisters and parents, though how bad could it be to share a shower ;-)05:09
apokryphosI guess it's easier for boys, but I'd obv. prefer my own. Still.05:09
nikkiaapokryphos: i rented a house for (2.5+0.5)/4 of my years at uni05:09
apokryphosSecond change is intercollegiate halls, which is Catered :O05:09
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seaLnei think i'd prefer the extra room, normally there are cleaners cleaning the showers everyday so as long as your early you'll be fine05:09
nikkiaseaLne: *nod* the bathrooms on our floor at uni in halls were HUGE too05:10
apokryphosseaLne: the showers I saw in Uni were really mashed... and this was on their Open day :O05:10
nikkiaabout 2x the size of a hall room each, and we had 2 bathrooms per floor05:10
apokryphoshah05:10
apokryphosnikkia: Mind you, I didn't even visit King's, or the halls/appartments :|. Didn't consider the place an actual option05:10
nikkiaof course, being in a private house was better...05:10
apokryphosFunny how things turn out05:10
seaLnei stayed in halls for 2 years with shared toilets/showers and it was fine, weekend before last i was at the ukuug conference and the rooms were similar to what i used to have but with an ensuite inside...05:11
apokryphosnikkia: was it with many others?05:11
nikkiaexcept when we got the psycho housemate :/05:11
apokryphosseaLne: yeah, I'd much rather have the extra money than En Suite, but I can't not have an ethernet socket ;-)05:11
seaLnejust live in the labs it didn't do me any harm :)05:12
apokryphosI always think sharing a room at Uni is such a gamble, eventually put down that "I'd prefer not to". So much cheaper to, though.05:12
nikkiaapokryphos: first year in rented (2nd year at uni) it was with 2 other girls, then 12 months with a male friend, then 3 months with male friend + male psycho, then moved to private rented flat05:12
seaLnei even got a job working in the labs :)05:12
nikkiaplus i moved back for 3 months after that, but then the landlord wanted to sell the house, so moved to halls after 3 months05:12
wincidehi, do someone use opelzaslo ?? i have some problems that can't resolve :S05:12
apokryphosnikkia: psycho? Sounds like a lot of fun :P05:13
apokryphosseaLne: nice :)05:13
nikkiaapokryphos: no, not really, he really was a psycho, i mean, medically05:13
apokryphos:S05:13
apokryphosnikkia: what were you doing living with him? :|05:13
nikkiaapokryphos: i ended up in a fight with him, and smashed his head in with a 6" steel padlock05:13
nikkiahe still has the scar, i'm told05:13
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seaLnewincide: err what is opelzaslo google dosen't know either05:14
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apokryphosnikkia: so you weren't friends before that ended up living together? 05:15
nikkiaapokryphos: his mum would come and sit and watch TV in the house, because she couldn't afford a TV... after a month or two, she came to the conclusion it was her TV, and wouldn't let anyone else watch it05:15
nikkiaapokryphos: his sister would visit him on wednesdays, when they let her out of the asylum05:15
wincideseaLne: google doesn't know why my i can't see my projects run.. :\ tomcat and java sdk are correctly installed05:15
apokryphoseeeeek05:15
nmorseWhat's the best way to actually configure your wireless card after setting up ndiswrapper?05:15
nikkiaapokryphos: we needed a 3rd person to make up the rent, and he was a friend of a friend05:15
apokryphosnikkia: isn't a steel padlock a little...er.. extreme still? :S05:16
nikkiaapokryphos: given that he was punching me in the face at the time, no05:16
nikkiaapokryphos: never punch someone in the face while they're trying to unlock the padlock to get into their room05:17
apokryphosgeez, you had it bad :(05:17
nikkiachances are, once they succeed, they have a lump of about 1lb of steel in their hand :P05:17
apokryphossounds like he got what he deserved, then; hitting a lady in the face :Z05:17
nikkiaapokryphos: do you know what this fight was over?05:17
apokryphosWho should've done the dishes05:17
nikkiaapokryphos: it is so insanely trivial, that you'll find it amazing...05:18
nikkiaapokryphos: no, sillier than that.... we didn't have phone service for the house, noone wanted to pay BT...05:18
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apokryphosnikkia: but that's what happens when there's persistent hostility with people who are really close to eachother05:18
apokryphosI can understand it, to an extent. I used to be on *really* bad terms with my brother, and for a couple of months we'd fight *everyday*, without fail. Anything at all would make us kick off05:19
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nikkiabut, BT being BT, they had only disconnected OUTGOING calls, and you were still supposed to rent a phone from BT at the time, so i brought the one i had at my parents home for my bedroom with me, i said i needed to take it home with me over christmas, and he somehow viewed that as me saying he used the phone too much05:19
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nikkiaapokryphos: so, he figured he would physically assault me because i was questioning his phone usage05:19
apokryphosIf people can't reason, any meaningful communication breaks down05:19
seaLneanyone here use the bittorrent trackers for (k)ubuntu install media? i've had problems since friday05:20
apokryphosnikkia: sounds like a grade A idiot. Will remember to properly know someone before moving in with them05:20
nikkiaapokryphos: as i said, he was a psycho05:21
nikkiaapokryphos: and he rarely took his meds05:21
bert_dbdoes anyone know how i can load my wlan at boottime?05:21
nmorseAre there any KDE programs for configuring wireless cards?05:21
nikkiaapokryphos: for 'fun' he'd go out, get drunk, and start fights with the biggest looking person in the pub05:21
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apokryphosnikkia: how did he manage to be a friend of a friend? :S05:21
seaLnenmorse: kwifimanager05:21
nikkiaapokryphos: *shrug*05:21
apokryphosnikkia: doesn't sound like his true colours were confined to the house05:22
nikkiaapokryphos: the common friend was a sane individual05:22
nikkiaalthough ceased to be a friend after the incident05:22
nmorseThanks, seaLne 05:22
nikkiaapokryphos: you'll discover that uni is full of strange people like that :/05:23
apokryphosnikkia: how long were you with him? 05:23
apokryphosat least he wasn't a boyfriend :|05:23
nikkiaapokryphos: sharing the house? 3 months05:23
apokryphosnikkia: good times apart from that?05:23
bert_dbcan someone tell me how to load my wlan at boottime plz?05:23
nikkiaapokryphos: i moved out the next day, and when i returned after christmas break, i rented a flat for 50/mo05:23
regeyahooray, physical assault05:23
nikkiaapokryphos: rent increase of 400%, but it was worth it05:24
apokryphosnikkia: your other friend carried on living with him?05:24
nikkiaapokryphos: no, it was obvious from day 1 that he was a bit 'f'ed in the head'05:24
nikkiaapokryphos: over time, it became more and more apparent that he was going to be a problem at some point05:24
nikkiaapokryphos: the padlock on my door was only there because 2 weeks earlier he'd broken into my room and destroyed some of my clothes while drunk05:25
nmorseDadgummit, now I need to figure out how to enable the radio on the wireless card05:25
nikkiaapokryphos: the friend bore with him, but hated every minute of it, when the year ended, he asked if i wanted to move back, and told the landlord to NOT renew the other guy's contract05:25
apokryphosnikkia: psycho indeed05:26
apokryphosnikkia: seen him often since?05:26
nikkiaapokryphos: no05:26
nikkiaapokryphos: last time i saw him, was while running the other way...05:26
apokryphosoh05:27
nikkiaapokryphos: it was a few months after he'd left the house, and i'd moved back in, and we had the bailiffs turn up - turns out this guy had defrauded lloyds by 60,000 ...05:27
apokryphosnikkia: was University good apart from those three months (that's what I meant before, but nevermind :P)05:27
nikkiaso we told them his parent's address where they could find him05:27
apokryphos60,000! Yeouch.05:27
nikkiahe didn't look very happy when i saw him next, so i ran away rather rapidly :)05:27
apokryphosgood going :)05:27
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nikkiaapokryphos: he had taken a loan for 60,000 to buy a motorbike (a harley), and had run off from where he had been renting, without telling lloyds05:28
nikkiaapokryphos: this had been 5 years or so before he went to uni, but obviously they'd caught up with him :)05:28
apokryphosnikkia: did he have to do time/05:29
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nikkiaand i dunno, uni was a mixture of good times and bad times, i'd have to say the bad times probably outweighed the good, but thats mostly because i was a miserable person at the time and my life 'stank'05:29
nikkiaapokryphos: haven't a clue05:29
apokryphos:(05:30
nikkiaapokryphos: the day he was walking towards where i was, after telling the bailiffs, and i ran, was the last i saw/heard of him, it was a month or two before the end of the course05:30
apokryphosI'm still really looking forward to mine 8). Been told the first year involves.... no work.05:30
nikkiahe'd dropped out of uni by then, so he had no real reason to be around the uni05:30
apokryphosright05:30
nikkiaapokryphos: probably the time i remember most from uni, and oddly this was both good and bad, was walking 5 miles across wasteland to go to a Wishbone Ash concert in the next town over, and not realising that it would involve 'walking 5 miles across wasteland, IN THE DARK' back afterwards :)05:31
nikkiathe concert was impressive, the getting lost in the wastelands, not so impressive05:31
apokryphosHeh. That great carefree life ;-). I'd probably be really scared of the tiniest sound on the walk back if it was completely dark05:32
nikkiain the end, a nice taxi driver i stumbled across sat sleeping in a car park on the edge of town, was nice enough to give me a ride home free05:32
apokryphoshuh...huh! what was that? 05:32
nikkiaapokryphos: it was worse than completely dark05:32
apokryphoscool; nice to see a good cabby05:33
nikkiaapokryphos: it was 5 miles of dodgy ground, with distant lights, that bore no real landmark05:33
nikkiasure, they helped me get to the edge of the town, but i didn't have a clue where i was05:33
apokryphosby yourself, though? How come?05:33
nikkiaapokryphos: it was during the time i was renting the flat alone, and didn't know anyone else that wanted to see a washed up 70s rock band :P05:34
apokryphoshehe05:34
nikkiayou wouldn't think there would still be areas like that, just 'wasteland' between two towns in the UK these days, but there is :)05:35
apokryphosYou'da thought they'd merge or something, but hey.05:35
apokryphosWon't be must wasteland in London, I'm sure. :|05:35
nikkiaapokryphos: there are some spots in north london05:35
nikkiaapokryphos: that brings to mind ANOTHER amusing anecdote from 'uni-related' stuff :)05:36
apokryphosSure, and on the outskirts etc. Nothing in Central, I meant 8)05:36
apokryphosnikkia: fire away :P05:36
nikkiaapokryphos: see, i actually went to TWO unis, i went to hatfield for a year, then changed course, and ended up at teesside05:36
apokryphosnikkia: I actually wonder if half our conversations are ever really relevant to #kubuntu :P05:36
apokryphosYup, I remember you mentioning.05:36
nikkiabut i still kept in touch with some friends from hatfield, and one of them, lived in north london, so whenever i needed to go to london for a concert or something, i'd crash at his parents' house05:37
nikkiaanyway, he's a bit of a psycho too, but a loveable type of psycho....05:37
apokryphosnice05:37
apokryphosheh05:37
nikkiaand during one stay, he decided to show me the big collection of the pyro part of fireworks, he'd been collecting05:37
nikkiaanyway, he decided it was time to 'use' this collection, and build a rocket that he attached to the back of a large paper airplane he'd made, he figured it'd make the paper airplane go REALLY fast.....05:38
apokryphosit would burn it, surely :S05:38
nikkiawe went to a park/wasteland just down the road from him, anyway, suffice to say, he had neglected to realise that structural integrity of paper != good enough to handle having a crapload of thrust applied to it, and it just kind of went around and around in dangerously random circles05:39
apokryphosheh. One of those gadjet/experimenting people. I have a friend like that, but he always wildly exaggerates the affects05:39
nikkiaapokryphos: yeah05:40
apokryphosand he's good at English/describing too, so it sounds almost plausible05:40
nikkiaapokryphos: the next day we went to hamleys, and i showed him where the 'proper model rocket' stuff was :P05:40
apokryphos"I was instantaniously trajected around 3.5 metres and a small mushroom cloud formed"05:40
apokryphoshehehe05:40
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nikkiaunfortunately, as we were walking out with him holding a big model rocket box, he was still looking at the R/C cars and muttering something about 'thrust' :)05:41
apokryphoshaha. No limits to the imagination 8)05:42
apokryphosnikkia: many interesting personalities in Universites, no doubt. I figure I'l just try to meet as many people as possible in the first few days/weeks05:43
apokryphosnikkia: do people generally end up becoming best friends with who's nearest?05:44
apokryphosI've heard that a lot, and it was true for my two sisters. Found that pretty interesting.05:44
nikkiaapokryphos: 'nearest' ?05:44
apokryphosnikkia: my sister, for example, became best friends with the girl next door to her. My other sister's best friends were all ones in the "house" (split into many appartments) with05:45
nikkiaapokryphos: ah, you mean physically close, i dunno, i think it varies05:45
nikkiamost of the people i've been 'best friends' with, were just people i had stuff in common with05:45
apokryphosthat's what I would've thought05:46
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apokryphosthough my second oldest sister, I think people in her house were ones doing the same subjects.. yeah, they were.05:46
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apokryphosstill, I have 3 straight days of work to drag me down 8)05:48
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apokryphosthough, it doesn't really05:48
CellarDoora little good news kde fans05:48
CellarDoorapparrently folks at ati wan't to work with the kde team on plasma putting em on their beta list05:49
apokryphosCellarDoor: really? Cool. Link?05:50
CellarDoorah I just got in an email from KDE's panel-devel mailing list05:51
apokryphosCellarDoor: what's the list called?05:52
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CellarDoorah just a sec, I'll get a link for you05:52
CellarDoorHere's the page on the KDE site with info on the many and varied mailing lists you can join to get the most up-to-date info :) http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/05:54
apokryphosCellarDoor: what's the actual list called? I'm on several mailing lists :)05:54
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CellarDoorpanel-devel@kde.org05:56
apokryphoshm, interesting; that doesn't appear there nor on lists.k.o05:57
CellarDoorsorry, heres a better link05:57
CellarDoorhttps://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/panel-devel05:57
Chameleon22i am trying to run gnokii as a different user (as apposed to root) and need to add them to the right groups, added user to dialout group since thats what owns (root:dialout) ttyS0, error i get is: -Gnokii serial_open: open: Permission denied-Couldn't open FBUS device: Permission denied-Telephone interface init failed... any ideas?05:57
CellarDoorhows that ?05:57
apokryphosah, I see the thread05:57
CellarDoorI'm not sure what the implications are05:58
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CellarDoorah sometimes it nice to prompt one of the devs on freenode just to say, "thanks"06:02
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apokryphosCellarDoor: ?06:04
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CellarDoorIn #KDE06:04
CellarDoormy favorite desktop06:04
apokryphosYes, indeed. It's a volunteer effort for most06:05
apokryphosand it's a huge commitment for whoever does it :)06:05
CellarDoorI think its nice just to let them know you appreciate their hard work :)06:05
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DocTomoei set up flash according to http://ubuntuguide.org/ ... but there are no fonts in flash. 06:32
DocTomoewhat am I to do?06:32
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mike1greetings06:32
DocTomoehi mike106:33
mike1I just upgraded to hoary and am trying to install kubuntu06:33
mike1it's been installing and removing software for 3 hours is it stuck in a loop06:33
mike1atlon 900mhz 256mb 40 gig06:34
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apokryphosmike1: never heard of that ever happening. Are you sure it's going in a loop? How did you try to install it?06:38
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mike1changed souces.list to hoary 06:40
mike1reloaded sources06:40
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apokryphosmike1: that won't get you kubuntu06:40
apokryphosmike1: you were on warty? Did the update to hoary go successfully?06:41
mike1yes06:41
mike1successful06:41
apokryphosmike1: and what did you do to try and get kubuntu then?06:42
mike1using snynaptic loaded kubuntu but ommited kubuntu-live06:42
phreakyshello06:43
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mike1could that be my problem?06:43
phreakyshow do i copy files with prefix foo_ to prefix bar_ ?06:43
apokryphosmike1: perhaps. Remove any pending items in synaptic and put sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop  in terminal06:43
mike1thanks06:44
apokryphosmike1: actually, wait06:44
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apokryphosmike1: better to get you to get 3.4.2 since you're installing anyway06:45
apokryphosadd deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main   ..to your /etc/apt/sources.list06:45
mike1the package manager synaptic is dead-locked and I can't find the process number to give it a kill signal06:45
apokryphosmike1: dead locked?06:45
mike1stuck somewhere 06:46
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apokryphosjust make it deselect all the selected packages for installation06:46
apokryphosand deselect any broken packs06:46
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mike1yes thanks i realy want to try out krita06:48
mike1it needs 3.406:48
apokryphosCool, you'll be able to. 06:48
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apokryphosadd the above line to your sources.list06:49
apokryphosand add:   deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice141 hoary-updates main06:49
mike1done thanks got to reset machine 06:50
apokryphoswhy?06:50
apokryphosafter you add those make sure you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop06:50
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mike1synaptic is looping and I cann't find the process ID to give it a kill signal06:50
rrichiehi all06:50
apokryphosmike1: you want to kill synaptic?06:51
apokryphosmike1: sudo killall synaptic06:51
apokryphosYou might have some dpkg errors, but they'll be solvable...06:51
rrichiei'm building a program for KDE from source but i have to type ./configure --prefix=/path . What path should i write?06:51
apokryphosrrichie: /usr06:51
rrichieok thx06:51
apokryphosrrichie: for kde applications it's always ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`06:52
mike1NICE06:52
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apokryphosand kde-config --prefix in ubuntu is /usr06:52
_janhi06:52
rrichieoh ok i didn't know that great thanks for the help06:52
_janamarok 1.3 is released can i get packages in hoary soon ?06:53
apokryphos_jan: not sure if it's being packaged... in fact, I doubt it will be for hoary. 06:53
apokryphos_jan: there's a working .deb flying about on the forums though06:53
_janthanks for answer 06:54
mike1apokryphos: off and running "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"06:54
mike1thanks again06:54
apokryphoshm, there's a beta3 one at least... no 1.3 yet06:54
apokryphosmike1: ok, cool06:54
apokryphosubotu: amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=4614306:55
ubotuokay, apokryphos06:55
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_janhave these packages postgresql support 06:57
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phreakysim trying to rename with the rename command but get the message: Bareword "foo" not allowed while "strict subs" in use07:01
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phreakyswtf is that for?07:01
_janthis is problem in many ubuntu packages  for exampel in arts with no jack support i most many packages recompile 07:02
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insanekanephreakys: use mv instead of rename for renaming its just easier07:03
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[Surge] a[t-get and synaptic are giving me problems with regards to install CD as a source.07:07
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[Surge] I get a whole bunch of :07:09
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[Surge] W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Kubuntu 6.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Kubuntu%206.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)07:09
[Surge] How do I clean everything up and start from scratch?07:09
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c0rrupt_reformat07:09
[Surge] :)07:09
[Surge] Anything but that ...07:09
c0rrupt_i just reformatted last night07:09
c0rrupt_because i f*cked up the sources.list07:10
nikkia_jan: lack of good jack support is one of the reasons i ended up going with LFS07:10
nikkia_jan, i do wonder, however, whether or not dropping demudi on top of kubuntu would work...07:10
[Surge] The thing it it's the cache that is messed not the sources.  I just need to figure out how to get it to remake the cache.07:11
c0rrupt_apt-get clean07:12
c0rrupt_apt-get update07:12
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nikkia[Surge] : think yourself lucky07:13
c0rrupt_o.007:13
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nikkiamy work PC has knoppix on it...07:13
c0rrupt_[Surge] , reformating was the easieay fix for me, and quickest ;)07:13
nikkiaabout 6 months ago, i was FORCED to reinstall, because i discovered that the version of apt i had.... had a 32,767 package limit :P07:14
nikkiai hit that limit, and apt would simply refuse to do anything more07:14
c0rrupt_so07:14
c0rrupt_remove 107:14
c0rrupt_upgrade apt07:14
nikkia(it was probably actually dpkg that was failing)07:14
c0rrupt_Lol07:14
[Surge] c0rrupt_: I already have a custom kernel and a whole lot of software compiled from source - reformat is not an option07:14
c0rrupt_hm07:14
nikkiac0rrupt_: i couldn't remove anything, add anything, do anything, as i just said, it was probably dpkg that was dying, but either way, it wouldn't let me do ANYTHING to the package database07:14
c0rrupt_oh..07:15
c0rrupt_i see..07:15
roottoo bad07:15
c0rrupt_you got debowned07:15
[Surge] Well I'll try what you suggested and see07:15
nikkiaas soon as i get chance, i'm pulling knoppix off that PC and putting kubuntu on it, tho07:15
c0rrupt_[Surge] , go into #ubuntu, someone may be able to help there07:15
nikkiabut it means having a couple of days without activing working on something07:15
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rootoh~shit!Can anyone tell me how to chage nickname on Konversation 07:17
_jansettings07:17
rootand?07:17
apokryphosroot: are you logged in as root?07:17
rootyeah07:17
phreakysjust great...i cant even rename a list of files :S07:18
_janis danger07:18
_janlogged in normal user !!!07:18
rootOh~~i see07:18
rootany methodes07:18
apokryphosroot: you shouldn't be; you could cause damage to your system there07:18
root:P I see !but I am really a administartor07:19
_janwhen logged as root every can hack you system easier07:19
rootLOL07:19
c0rrupt_Lol07:19
rootcome on!07:19
c0rrupt_h4x me07:19
c0rrupt_im root tooo07:19
c0rrupt_;)07:19
apokryphosroot: it doesn't matter07:19
roothow to do that?07:19
apokryphosUsing kde as root is detrimental, too07:19
_janin ubuntu installtion you have creat user07:20
rootapokryphos ~:P07:20
rootthank you ,and I just like login as root!07:20
_janin kdm or gdm you can type the username and pw07:20
_janroot can all the dark man on the otherside too07:21
root!!!!!!!!!!!!!07:21
ubotuNot a clue, root07:21
rootnot have clue?07:21
c0rrupt_didnt know ubotu was a person07:21
c0rrupt_=P07:21
c0rrupt_!tell c0rrupt_ about life07:22
root !tell c0rrupt_ about life07:22
c0rrupt_lmgfao07:22
c0rrupt_lmfao07:22
c0rrupt_'"" i dunno what is 'life'.""'07:22
root[2005-08-17 01:23]  <ubotu> Someone already said that 11 seconds ago07:22
root.....07:22
rootsldfjsdf07:23
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c0rrupt_saslepuss07:23
roothelllo07:24
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mushroom_linux_caha~07:25
mushroom_linux_cI 've chang my nickname ~~~It's neat!07:25
apokryphosYou really shouldn't run with root :|07:25
c0rrupt_helllo07:25
c0rrupt_i love running with root07:25
mushroom_linux_chello dubby07:25
c0rrupt_its like, hey script kiddies, come try and hack me!07:25
osfameronif you think you're hard enough07:26
apokryphosc0rrupt_: no.. it's like -- hey! I could damage my system! Yay!07:26
c0rrupt_Lol07:26
mushroom_linux_cyay07:26
c0rrupt_yay07:26
c0rrupt_party07:26
apokryphos:|07:26
mushroom_linux_c;P07:26
c0rrupt_=P07:26
c0rrupt_o.007:26
c0rrupt_0.o07:26
mushroom_linux_c.)(.)07:27
c0rrupt_^.^07:27
mushroom_linux_c(0)(0)07:27
c0rrupt_O_o07:27
c0rrupt_o_O07:27
mushroom_linux_ccool07:27
mushroom_linux_cUbuntu is so cool! I like this os07:28
mushroom_linux_chave to go now!bye eveyone~07:29
mushroom_linux_cnite nite~~~~~~~~~~~07:29
c0rrupt_kpz07:30
[Surge] c0rrupt_: Sorted out - thanks :)07:32
c0rrupt_what was wrong?07:32
c0rrupt_dont thank me though thank #ubuntu, they are always helpful07:32
[Surge] I never went there07:33
[Surge] For some weird reason I had a wrong CDROM entry in in my sources.list07:33
[Surge] Had a version 6.0407:33
c0rrupt_Lol07:33
c0rrupt_so you made the 6 to a 507:33
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[Surge] Deleted the line and everything is happy now07:33
c0rrupt_and everything went bybybe07:33
[Surge] There were two lines - one 5.04 and one 6.0407:33
[Surge] I removed it and apt-get update it happy07:34
c0rrupt_k07:34
[Surge] *is happy07:34
[Surge] And I'm also happy now :)07:34
c0rrupt_how do i change my clock from 24 hour07:34
c0rrupt_to 12 hour07:34
jake1wtf07:36
jake1people are saying i respond to the bot char but i don'07:36
jake1don't07:36
jake1*07:36
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jake1what is the bot char anyways?07:36
[Surge] Dunno07:37
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jake1i got banned from #ubuntu twice07:37
jake1cuz of it07:37
jake1and i dnt know what is happening07:37
jake1and i dnt know how to fix it07:37
[Surge] hehe07:38
mushroom_linux_cyou Chinese?07:38
jake1how can i tell who the ops of #ubuntu are?07:38
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c0rrupt_bob07:38
jake1mushroom_linux_c no i am not07:38
c0rrupt_207:38
c0rrupt_bob207:39
c0rrupt_and07:39
c0rrupt_seveas07:39
mushroom_linux_coh~~07:39
mushroom_linux_c:P07:39
jake1i tried to /msg seveas it said no such nick/channel07:39
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mcscruffis there any kde 3.5debs?07:42
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apokryphosmcscruff: considering only alpha has been released, obviously not :)07:44
Tm_Tdoh07:45
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mcscruff:(07:46
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ahlukahey all07:47
mcscruffinstalling from source is gonna take ages07:47
ahlukawho's got the latest kubuntu [stupid question]  ?07:47
ahlukai've got a pain in the ass bug with KDE07:47
ahluka3.407:47
apokryphosmcscruff: then you'll have to wait. I doubt any betas will be released, and personally I'd rather Kubuntu devs spent time doing other things rather than packaging betas07:47
ahlukawell i think it's just konqueror07:47
Tm_To/ (NOT!)07:47
apokryphosahluka: latest kde is 3.4.207:48
Tm_Tdefine latest07:48
ahlukasorry07:48
ahlukawell, i'll tell you what happens:07:48
ahlukaevery other time [or so]  i open konqueror it closes immediately and i get a SIGSEGV dialogue07:48
ahlukathe same happens if i create a new folder in a konqueror window07:48
ahlukais there any way to roll back a version?07:49
ahluka?07:49
mcscruffpoop a scoop07:50
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apokryphosahluka: what version do you have?07:50
ahlukakonqueror? *checks*07:50
apokryphosor kde, yes.07:50
ahlukakonqueror 3.4.007:50
c0rrupt_upgrade to 3.4.207:51
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apokryphos!kde34207:51
ubotufrom memory, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php07:51
ahlukaapparently it already is the latest, according to apt-get07:51
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mcscruffu need to add new repos07:51
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mcscruffffs samba is pissing me off07:52
ahluka?07:53
ahlukahow07:53
mcscruffits not working :)07:53
ahlukalol07:53
ahlukadamn i g2g07:53
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mcscruffwhats the best way to restart kde?07:54
mushroom_linux_clogout?07:54
mushroom_linux_cand then reboot?07:54
c0rrupt_reboot -f07:54
apokryphosNo07:54
phreakysanyone experienced with kubuntu?07:54
phreakysi mean krusader07:54
mushroom_linux_creboot -f?07:54
mcscruffbrb07:55
apokryphosTo restart kde you just need to logout 07:55
mcscrufflogging out07:55
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McScruffgod damn samba07:57
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McScruffcan someone help me with samba please07:58
[Surge] Well if you tell us what is wrong someone may have an answer08:00
mike1hmm just loaded seems okay but gnome started and I have kde apps under debian in my application pull down list?08:00
McScruffsurge, its not shareing to a network08:00
mike1I did answer kdm for preferred desktop08:01
[Surge] McScruff: I'm busy setting up samba as we speak :)08:01
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[Surge] But I'm doing it the easy way.  webmin08:01
mike1none of the koffice stuff or krita loaded08:02
apokryphosmike1: did you install kubuntu-desktop? Everything go fine there?08:02
McScruffim trying to do it through kcontrol08:03
mike1did as you said08:04
apokryphosmike1: did everything go fine? What's the output of kde-config --version?08:05
mike1I'm now loading krita through synaptic08:05
mike13.4.008:05
apokryphoshm08:05
mike1qt 3.3.308:06
apokryphosmike1: did you add the 3.4.2 repository, for sure?08:06
mike1I failed to run update on synaptic prior to the sudo aptitude command08:06
apokryphosmike1: you didn't answer the question :)08:07
mike1deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main08:07
mike1was added to sources08:07
nikkiaapokryphos: GAH!08:08
nikkiaapokryphos: my boss just called me....08:08
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nikkia'i've ordered those 2 PCs you wanted'08:08
apokryphosnikkia: hahaha08:08
apokryphos:P08:08
apokryphosLife08:08
nikkiaapokryphos: he also said 'after all this work you've put in on this project, i'll sort out some other bonus for you on top of them too'08:08
apokryphosWhat a guy ;-)08:08
McScruffsambas working :)08:08
[Surge] Cool08:09
[Surge] I didn't know it was in kcontrol08:09
McScruff:)08:09
[Surge] Didn't need to load webmin 08:09
McScruffkcontrol is easy08:09
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apokryphosnikkia: how many working computers are you going to have exactly? :P08:10
nikkiaapokryphos: in the house? 608:10
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apokryphosheh08:10
m0ns00n^mainEvening08:11
nikkiameans i need to order another 100baseT switch :/08:11
mike1krita is awesome08:11
mike1thanks08:11
apokryphosmike1: sudo apt-get upgrade08:11
apokryphosto get the latest kde08:12
mike1thanks08:12
MagicStickhi guys...can anyone help with this error in PHP script...Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()08:12
[Surge] McScruff: Yeah kcontrol makes it very easy. Damn it's nice.08:12
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MagicSticki have all the php-mysql modules installed08:12
apokryphosMagicStick: not a kde-related issue, so you're more likely to have luck in #ubuntu08:13
mike1I must say this is very impressive I've used linux exclusively for 5 years and freebsd for prob 3 years upgrades on the fly that work!08:13
mike1check out http://mreavey.homeip.net08:14
[Surge] MagicStick: It sounds like you haven't installed MySQL yet or the MySQL plugin for PHP08:14
m0ns00n^mainMagicStick: You don't habe it totally installed08:15
MagicStick[Surge]  I have installed everything - phpmyadmin seems to work fine08:15
m0ns00n^mainhave08:15
m0ns00n^mainMagicStick: The mysql php package isn't installed08:15
MagicStickphp4-mysql package is installed08:16
[Surge] And MySQL?08:17
MagicStickyes mysql is currently installed as well08:17
[Surge] Strange08:19
[Surge] Then it must be a config problem08:19
[Surge] MagicStick: I'm just looking for some info08:20
MagicStickon doing phpinfo(), one of the configure command is '--without-mysql'08:20
MagicStickthanks surge08:20
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[Surge] Ah ... thought so08:21
MagicStickanyway of changing this..i installed php/mysql from deb resources so haven't changed anything08:22
zAo^can I remove kdeutils and kdebase safely?08:22
[Surge] Last time I installed PHP I compiled from source and enabled MySQL support08:22
paxyou restarterd apache after installing that stuff ofcourse08:23
MagicSticki don't really feel like installing it from source, specially when its in the repos - and it worked before fine08:23
MagicStickpax - yes twice08:23
paxMagicStick: let'see your phpinfo() page08:24
MagicSticktest.vmhost.co.uk08:24
McScruffconfigure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.08:24
McScruffCheck config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss08:24
McScruffa package named similar to libstdc++-dev.08:24
McScruffi have already installed it tho08:25
crimsundid you install 'build-essential'?08:25
McScruffmaybe08:25
crimsundpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii08:25
[Surge] MagicStick:  PHP :  ./configure --with-apache=/path/to/apache/dir --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql   :)08:25
paxMagicStick: sudo apt-get --purge remove php4-mysql and then install it again08:26
McScruffty crimsun08:26
paxapache2ctl graceful08:26
c0rrupt_ Moskau, Moskau, Wodka trinkt man pur und kalt, 08:26
c0rrupt_ das macht hundert Jahre alt, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho! Hej! 08:26
paxc0rrupt_: tried #ubuntu-nl ?08:27
c0rrupt_Lol08:27
c0rrupt_im english08:27
MagicSticksurge/ pax - got it working - i un-commented a line in php.ini: extension=mysql.so08:27
McScruffim english too :O08:27
paxgood stuff :)08:27
c0rrupt_long live americans08:28
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c0rrupt_;x08:28
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MagicStickthanks for your help :-)08:28
c0rrupt_your welcome08:28
McScruffshall we dance?08:28
c0rrupt_i already am08:28
paxenglish huh, 'your welcome' is english? ;c)08:29
matthewhowdy guys, not a complete linux noob, but have never used debian before, so i am unfamiliar with apt get, and am having trouble upgrading kopete, as my version will not connect to msn08:29
matthewanyone got any ideas?08:29
crimsunmatthew: you can check hoary-backports for a newer kopete version08:29
McScruffupdate kde08:29
McScruffor go on kopetes website and grab the latest08:30
matthewi ran apt-get upgrade and it apparently updated 70 packages, but after a restart still the same problem?08:30
paxwhat version are you sing now?08:30
McScruffif you grab the latest kde repos you can update kde and that will update kopete08:31
matthew0.1008:31
c0rrupt_Xsplosive08:31
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matthewwhat command to update kde?08:31
pax!repos08:31
ubotuit has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/96908:31
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paxthe repo for KDE 3.4.2 is topic08:32
[Surge] Nice pax - never new of that :)08:32
pax[Surge] : whatcha mean?08:32
[Surge] knew08:32
matthewthanks everyone, i will try to upgrade kde now08:32
[Surge] !repos08:32
ubotuhmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/96908:32
c0rrupt_xsplosive08:33
c0rrupt_west coast shit08:33
paxoh hehe ubotu is da man08:33
[Surge] Hmmm ... doesn't like me  ;)08:33
[Surge] Ah ... slow08:33
[Surge] matthew: Hold on a minute08:33
[Surge] I got my Kopete to work with MSN08:33
[Surge] Let me find out where I got it from08:34
matthewok08:34
paxit works with msn outta the box, atleast here08:34
paxusing Kopete: 0.10.3 08:34
matthewi am using 0.10 though08:34
paxdidn't everyone suggest upgrading?08:35
matthewi added a repoitory to sources.list08:35
[Surge] How do I find what source my kopete came from?08:35
matthewdo i do sudo apt-get upgrade now?08:35
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apokryphos[Surge] : you can't, really...08:35
paxsudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade matt08:35
apokryphosyes, upgrading is recommended08:35
matthewits just grabbing binaries and not source isnt it?08:36
pax!info kopete08:36
ubotukopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4258 kB, Installed size: 14384 kB08:36
apokryphosmatthew: correct08:36
[Surge] I have kopete 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1 (kopete 0.10) and it works08:36
Tm_Tkopete <308:36
matthewgood, no day long compiles like gentoo:)08:37
matthewthis is a known problem, msn changed something in their servers08:37
[Surge] Hehe08:37
matthewso the new kopete is in the kde upgrade, because i\t is a kde app, correct?08:38
Tm_Tyay08:38
apokryphosmatthew: erm, what?08:38
matthewkopete is part of kde, so it is upgraded when i update kde?08:39
apokryphosGenerally, yes.08:39
matthewok gotcha08:39
matthewit is upgrading kde now, going to h ave tea now, brb08:39
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Tm_Tkopete is a part of kdenetwork package (?)08:40
apokryphoscorrect08:40
paxyes it is.08:40
paxhttp://ubuntu.synssans.nl/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kopete_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb <- see it?08:40
Tm_Tyay08:40
Tm_Tand I supposed to be a kopete dev (not really)08:41
jjessejust finished a section in the kubuntu userguide on kopote08:41
Tm_Tnice08:41
paxjjesse: link please08:42
jjessenot uploaded into the docteam preview yet :(08:42
jjesseworking on getting it done08:42
paxdid you state somewhere that kopete owns gaim? jes kidding :c)08:43
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apokryphosjjesse: kubuntu doc team? I was gonna join and started doing some stuff but got overloaded with other kde docs; I'll hopefully be able to contribute in the future. Great stuff you've got going there :)08:43
apokryphosLooking forward to the breezy docs =)08:43
jjessenod kubuntu doc team i'm hard at work getting the kubuntu userguide finished08:43
apokryphosjjesse: heh, great stuff; I've just been doing work on kde userguide ;-)08:44
jjesseapokryphos:  you should join us we need more kde people 08:44
jjesseapokryphos: i looked through the kde user guide nice stuff there08:44
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apokryphosjjesse: I'd quite like to, but quite pressed for time lately; all my idle internet time going to kde -- have a few commitments there08:45
apokryphosIn the future, hopefully. :)08:46
jjesseapokryphos: i totally understand i've been slacking on the docs, but trying to cram things in for breezy08:46
apokryphosI'll prolly be able to contribute for 6.04 if I'm still with 'buntu 8)08:46
c0rrupt_lol08:47
jjesse6.04 is supposed to be the one for a couple of years of support right?08:47
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apokryphosjjesse: Enteprise release? I think so08:48
c0rrupt_when you look under the rocks and plants and take a glance at the fancy ants08:48
apokryphosnot sure if anything's set in stone08:48
c0rrupt_maybe you'll try a fe08:48
apokryphosjjesse: anyhow, off for a sleep now before work; but thanks for all the work into the docs; I'm sure all kubu users will really appreciate it. Will have to start updating ubotu with links to them ;-)08:49
jjessegrin thanks apokryphos 08:49
zAo^how can connect to a windows remote desktop in KDE?08:50
c0rrupt_Krdc08:50
zAo^thanks08:50
jjesseor use the tsclient or rdesktop08:51
McScruffhow do i install epos08:52
seaLnewith kynaptic08:52
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matthewhey again, those commands finished, do i need to restart kde now?08:53
seaLneyes08:53
matthewkill what process?08:54
seaLneif it updated lots of other stuff you might be as well to reboot08:54
matthewah ok08:54
matthewcya in a minute then:P08:54
derekis there a way for a System.Windows.Forms.MessageBox to return the results of 2 text fields?08:54
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matthew3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1 <---------- is that the right version it upgraded to\?08:55
douglasmy openoffice2 fonts show up as gibberish and I can't use the Suite because of it? HELP!08:55
seaLnematthew: yep08:55
matthewok thanks guys08:55
douglasanyone?08:57
PieDdouglas: which OOo 2 version ?08:57
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douglasum... the one in the hoary repository08:57
douglasnote: I have multiverse and universe08:58
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_matthewthanks guys, it works fine, another copy of xp bites the dust:P08:59
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seaLnecool09:00
douglasHas anyone else had problems with OOo2?09:00
douglasI guess I'll just download a copy09:00
_matthewhow do i get kopete to look like on the offical site?09:02
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_matthewwith people's display pics next to their names etc09:03
seaLnethat depends i think on if they have pictures set in their client to send09:03
_matthewwhich they do, as i am on msn09:04
seaLnehmm no idea just had a look09:04
_matthewthe default look looks very dreary in comparison09:05
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jjessein kopote you can set it to download the icons, if i recall correctly?09:05
_matthewah ok, ill try09:06
jjesseunder the account preferences of the msn account09:06
jjesseit says "automatically download the display picture if possible"09:06
jjessewhich is unchecked by default09:06
[Surge] _matthew: Easy09:06
[Surge] Settings09:07
[Surge] Configure Kopete09:07
[Surge] Appearance09:07
[Surge] Contact List09:07
[Surge] Set "Detailed With Contact Photos"09:07
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_matthewthank you09:08
_matthewyay!:D09:09
[Surge] My pleasure09:09
_matthewnow to get clever, is it possible to have an entry in the KDE address book, and link it with a contact in kopete?09:10
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[Surge] _matthew: Not sure I saw some sort of sync though09:15
_matthewok09:15
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[Surge] You can only do it with each user09:17
[Surge] 1. Select a user09:17
[Surge] Edit->Properties09:17
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_matthewgot it thanks09:17
[Surge] 3. Custom Notifications09:17
[Surge] :)09:17
[Surge] Sync KABC09:17
[Surge] Which is Kontact's address book09:18
[Surge] Which doesn't appear to work for me but I don't need it  :)09:18
_matthewlol09:20
CellarDooruhmm I have a problem09:20
[Surge] We all have problems CellarDoor - welcome to humanity.09:21
_matthewgo ahead!09:21
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CellarDoorI purged kdelibs-data and was going to reinstall but it seems I have purged quite a lot09:22
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_matthewhow do i do print screen? i wanna show off my new desktop to friends:P09:26
_matthewprint screen in linux, that is09:26
PieDstart ksnapshot09:27
_matthewta09:28
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ImrahilCellarDoor, your alias is said to be the most beautiful word in all of english09:29
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CellarDoorsorry, was stuck in console09:31
CellarDoorargh09:31
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ahlukahmm09:32
tencohi all09:32
ahlukahey all09:32
tencoi am testing kubuntu09:32
tencojust a question09:32
tencohow do i install german language packages for kde09:33
ahlukatenco, are you having problems with konqueror in kubuntu?09:33
ahlukatenco, mine keeps crashing - SIGSEGV09:33
tencono09:33
ahlukaweird09:33
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movican anyone help me with the evil automounter in media:/ kioslave ?09:34
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movii want to disable it, and instead make kde use the normal fstab rules09:34
troygrub is borked - is there any way to boot using the install or livecd kernel while specifying it use the hard disk for root?09:34
CellarDoorI was told in #KDE to purge kdelibs-data and reinstall to rectify kcontrol not being where it should be... well... now half of KDE is cactus... and I can't seem to get it back even if I try to upgrade it doesn't replace lost packages like ermm Konqueror ! And just about every other important item.09:34
movior AT LEAST make media:/ display names of the partitions instead of 4.0G Media\09:34
nikkiamovi, go to kcontrol...09:34
movinikkia : yes...\09:35
nikkiathen kde components, then service manager, find kded and turn it off09:35
CellarDoorI'm afraid to log out cause It might be truly stuffed09:35
nikkiaerm, kded media manager, rather09:35
nikkiamovi, i had to turn it off because it was interfering with k3b  :/09:36
movinikkia : yay, now another one09:36
movinikkia : i happen to mount all of my volumes in /Volumes instead of /media09:36
CellarDoorgood grief, most of my programs have gone09:37
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CellarDoorthis is truly crap09:37
moviwill ln -s /Volumes /media suffice to make the partitions mounted via fstab appear on the desktop (if i selected the appropiate KDE option)09:37
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nikkiamovi, no idea, never tried it09:37
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movinikkia : it's still there!!09:38
moviafter a restart of kdm!09:38
CellarDoorthere's hardly anything left in my Kmenu09:39
CellarDoorargh !!!09:39
moviCellarDoor : apt-get remove --purge <someobscurekdelib>09:39
movithis will make all of kde go away WITH it's configuration files09:39
movibut to be sure do also09:39
paxCellarDoor: if it's just a kmenu issue then it can be corrected with kmenuedit09:39
movirm -rf ~/.kde09:39
moviCellar : then apt-get install kde-desktop-environment09:40
paxit's nice nice to write your own menu anyway.09:40
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moviCellar : and youll get the stock things back09:40
movinikkia : i still have the 4G Media under media:// even though i stopped the KDED Media Manager and restarted kdm09:40
movinikkia : should i reboot? (unlikely)09:41
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nikkiamovi, stopping the media manager just stops it being auto-mounted, it will still list all devices there09:44
[Surge] _matthew: I added ksnapshot the the KDE hotkeys so PrintScreen button launches it like it does in Mandrake/Mandriva09:45
movinikkia : do they have to ALL be like 16G Media, 19G Media instead of partition labels or at least inherit the mount folder name ? I have 15 partitions and showing me the size as the name is not a very good idea09:45
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CellarDooryou gotta be kidding me... 09:46
CellarDoorcant find kde-desktop-envirnoment09:46
moviapt-cache search kde desktop09:46
moviinstall the most broad one09:46
CellarDoortry just kde and it wants me to put kubuntu disk in... argh09:46
movieven better, lok for kubuntu desktop09:46
CellarDoorI had KDE 3.4.2 with only a minor problem (kcontrol not in kmenu)... I wish I hadn't bothered with it as now I have a major problem09:47
moviCellarDoor : you should have just deleted you .kde/ dir ;)09:48
moviand started all over09:48
CellarDoorgreat09:49
CellarDoor>:(09:50
moviCellarDoor : just do what i say09:51
moviand youll be alright09:51
movirm -rf ~/.kde09:52
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movirm -rf ~/.qt09:52
movirm .kderc09:52
moviapt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings09:52
movireboot and everything should be alright09:53
moviit's not that hard09:53
CellarDoorwell right now its asking for the kubuntu disk09:53
CellarDoorwill that give me kde3.4.2 back again ?09:54
[Surge] Only one way to find out09:54
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moviCellarDoor : whatever your Kubuntu came preinstalled with09:57
CellarDooroh hang on09:57
moviyou CAN fetch the newest from the ubuntu servers later on09:57
Cypresshello, i just installed kubuntu 5.04 and my sound is not working. I know how to configure it with 'alsaconf' however that does not seem to be installed, and I seem to not be able to find that package with kynapse to download it. does anyone know how I can get AlsaConf to work>09:57
CellarDoorIt asked for the disk... but seems to be fetching updates09:58
CellarDoorhmm I thought my sources list was gone as well09:58
_matthewvlc or kaffine guys?09:59
CellarDoorthis is most frustrating and exciting at the same time as I'm being edumacated...09:59
Cypress_matthew, i use XMMS10:00
CellarDoor_matthew I use Kaffeine or Totem most of the time and VLC as my fallback when the others won't play a disk as it seems to work when all else fails usually...10:01
Cypressso anyone know how to get alsaconf to work???10:02
CellarDoormovi, I put the kubuntu disk in and let it do what it wanted... we'll see what happens... if that doesn't work I'll do what you said, which I would have done if I wasn't already in a situation where it was asking me for the disk10:03
CellarDoorI dunno what it wanted the disk for cause its fetching stuff online anyway10:03
[Surge] Cypress: alsaconf is not available in (k)ubuntu10:05
Cypressis there any way to install it?10:06
Cypressor am i just going to have to chose another distro?10:07
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_matthewaaaaaaaaaaaah i feel so noobish, why wont sudo apt-get vlc work?10:12
seaLneapt-get install vlc10:12
_matthewthanks10:13
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MikeStylehi, i need some help installing the moodin engine10:18
MikeStylecan anyone help10:18
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_matthewanyone no why i'm getting no video in vlc with wmv files?10:22
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_matthew*know10:23
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Cypressdo u have the codec?10:24
_matthewah.........10:24
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setiteright10:37
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_matthewleft10:45
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YnsHi , I'm having problems about connecting to internet with Cnet ethernet card.Should I install a patch for kernel ? Any idea ?10:47
Yns* I'm in kubuntu.10:47
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Cypressdoes Kubuntu recognize your card?10:51
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Ynsyep10:52
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salilcan anyone tell me why my kubuntu and other kde programs keep on crashing.. 10:54
_matthewhow do you connect to teh internet? router?10:55
salilno.. 10:56
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CypressYns if u connect through a router and have it be the DHCP server, make sure ur card is configured to get an IP from the router10:56
Cypressconfigure ur card to accept the address that the DHCP server aka ur router is giving it10:56
salilwhat..??10:56
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Cypressthat was for Yns to u salil10:57
sforwkHello. Can I jump in and ask a about apt-get?10:58
YnsCypress I tried that ..11:00
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sforwkI'm new to Kubuntu. I'm trying to install kdesdk. Apt-get and Kynaptic only find kdesdk-doc. Both suggest kdesdk. Where can I get it?11:05
sforwkAnd how do I get it?11:06
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Cypresssforwk did u try apt-get install kdesdk?11:08
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hyperactivecrondhttp://musicalcocaine.kicks-ass.net/~chris/firefoxmicrosoft.png11:09
hyperactivecrondlook at this11:09
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hyperactivecrondhowlarious11:09
CellarDooclear11:09
CellarDooargh11:09
hyperactivecrondwhat happens when you visit MS Passport on Firefox11:09
CellarDoo:/11:09
CellarDoobrb11:09
sforwkYes I did try apt-get. It installs kdesdk.doc and suggests kdesdk but doesn't install it.11:10
Cypressyou can try downloading it from  http://kde.gnusoft.net/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/pool/kdesdk/11:11
sforwkCypress, I think I tried that but didn't know what to get. I'm a slackware user til now, so I've never used the apt-get method.11:13
sforwkDo I just get the build package?11:13
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Aapzakunbelievable assholes in #debian, yuk11:15
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Rogue_Jedi_XThey are?11:16
Aapzakyeps11:16
Aapzakarrogant11:16
nikkiaAapzak: they're world renowned for it11:16
Rogue_Jedi_XReally?11:16
nikkiaAapzak: almost meeting the legendary old efnet #linux level11:16
jason_linux newbie.. how do I move my screen.. without using the controls on my monitor11:16
Rogue_Jedi_XLive and learn11:16
Aapzakpfff, I just got muted for asking if KDE 3,3,2 was in unstable11:17
nikkiaAapzak: were the words 'stfu' 'noob' and 'rtfm' used?11:17
c0rrupt_wow11:17
nikkiathey usually are11:17
goofy36w00t11:17
AapzakI guess they're just frustrated about that :)11:17
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c0rrupt_#ubuntu11:17
c0rrupt_works great11:17
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c0rrupt_all helpful11:17
Rogue_Jedi_XThat's almost like our country's linux channel on IRCnet11:17
nikkiaAapzak: 3.3.2 ?11:17
Aapzakyeah11:17
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Rogue_Jedi_XAapzak: Try 3.4.211:18
nikkiaAapzak: heh, i suppose asking for 3.4.2 is a bit out of the question11:18
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: its debian...11:18
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: i'm surprised they have kde 3. anything :)11:18
AapzakI browsed the package site and thought I saw 3.3.211:18
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Rogue_Jedi_XThat behind, huh?11:18
AapzakI was unsure about that and asked11:18
Aapzakit is11:18
Aapzakthe Debian way11:18
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: 'stfu noob, we're busy packaging gnome 1.1!!'11:18
Rogue_Jedi_X*gasps*11:19
CellarDoorsif use gnome11:19
Rogue_Jedi_XLemme guess. Still on XFree86 as well?11:19
Aapzakwell, xorg is in unstable now11:19
nikkiaAapzak: as an option, iirc11:19
Aapzakprolly11:20
nikkiaAapzak: iirc, they still install xfree 3.something as the default on stable!11:20
Rogue_Jedi_XHow long did it take them to release the recent stable version of Debian?11:20
Aapzakanyway, you're allways nice inhere, and the Gentoo community is fabulous as well, I was just shocked by their reactions11:20
nikkiaAapzak: #debian really is well known for that11:20
nikkiaAapzak: and its not as bad as the old efnet #linux was11:21
CellarDooreveryone I know who uses debian is using sarge11:21
Aapzakwell, I hate to be treated like that11:21
Aapzak:)11:21
Rogue_Jedi_Xnikkia: I'd be interested to know what the fabled #linux channel of EFnet was like11:21
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nikkiaAapzak: i once went into #linux, while i was trying to write a device driver, and asked for a little help, and got told to stfu, rtfm, and told to downgrade to a stable kernel11:21
AapzakCellarDoor: sarge is the current stable release which is allright now, but will not change untill 200711:21
sforwkCypress, that url has both kdedsk and cervisia. Ver 3.4.1. My kubuntu is 3.4.0. will that be much problem?11:22
Aapzak2008 even :)11:22
Rogue_Jedi_Xnikkia: And I suppose that was on their good day?11:22
CellarDoormy KDE is broken11:22
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: i guess11:22
Cypressi really can not tell you, sorry11:22
sforwkCypress, if I download a .deb package, how do I use it locally? Will apt-get work on local packages?11:22
Cypressi am really a n00b in linux11:23
Rogue_Jedi_Xsforwk: dpkg -i [name of deb package here] 11:23
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: i seriously got told to downgrade to kernel 0.99plSomethingOrOther while i was trying to write a driver for 1.0.something11:23
AapzakI'm always having a good time inhere anyway, tnx for that11:23
Rogue_Jedi_XHeh, wow11:23
Rogue_Jedi_X#debian must be their offspring then11:24
Rogue_Jedi_XI should check it out, maybe get a few laughs...or gasps11:24
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: debian is so far behind, they probably still think its 1993 anyway :P11:24
AapzakBTW, I was not nice in #debian myself, I got 'package.debian.org' as answer and answered myself 'typically debian answer'11:24
Aapzak3 sentences later I had no Karma and could not talk anymore11:25
Rogue_Jedi_XYeaouch11:25
Rogue_Jedi_XKarma? I thought debian was a distro, not a religion11:25
CellarDoorlol11:25
Aapzakso I guess I hit 2 buttons in the same time, 3.3.2 and theit behaviour11:25
Aapzak:)11:25
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: where on earth did you get that idea?11:25
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: just read some of the flamewars on the debian dev lists, its clearly a religion :P11:26
Rogue_Jedi_Xnikkia: I didn't. Little green men told me11:26
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: i'd recommend the firefox vs mozilla-firefox debate as a starting place11:26
CellarDoorDebian people who don't hang out in #debian are more human11:26
Rogue_Jedi_XI stand corrected11:26
AapzakI find iit hard to believe any Linux user acts that way. Most of us use Linux for some reason, and I hope its not just to annoy the world11:26
Rogue_Jedi_Xnikkia: Taking place...where?11:27
nikkiaAapzak: there's quite a lot that just use it to be '31337'11:27
kayi always found #debian people to be very nice11:27
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: one of the debian mailing lists, they're archived on www.debian.org11:27
Rogue_Jedi_XAh, thanks. Checking out...NOW!11:27
kayThe thing is, with 1000 developers, you get to have some people who hate each other11:28
AapzakI've been a happy Debian user for years and am just disappointed11:28
kayBecause they think, work and target so differently11:28
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kayAapzak: What's the deal?11:29
Aapzakoh, they muted me :)11:29
CellarDoorwhat did thy mute you for ?11:29
AapzakI asked if KDE 3.3.2 was in Unstable11:29
kayAnd?11:29
Aapzakaswer: packages.debian.org11:30
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phreakyshi11:30
kayWhat's wrong with that answer?11:30
Aapzakmy answer: typically Debian answer11:30
CellarDoorhehe11:30
sforwkthanks rogue_jedi11:30
kayI mean, isn't it about helping people to help themselves11:30
Aapzakthat wasn't received well11:30
CellarDooryeah whats wrong with a simple, "yes"11:30
phreakysim trying to run pure-ftpd, but the port seems to be taken11:30
nikkiakay, it IS effectively 'stfu noob, rtfm!'11:30
Aapzakkay, I checked that site11:30
phreakyshow can i check what is on port 21?11:30
Aapzakand I did not think 3.3.2 in unstable could be right11:30
kayWell, if you learn packages.debian.org, you get to know everything11:30
kaynikkia: It is an URL which you can follow and have your answer.11:31
Aapzakkay, I thought I was mistaking and wanted some ACK11:31
nikkiakay, its also a terse answer that isn't really an answer, much like rtfm11:31
nikkiar'ing  tfm is good advice, but its a lousy answer to a question11:31
sforwkRogue_jedi, I get "no such file or directory" error. How can I tell dpkg where to look?11:31
kayWell, except for giving you the URL of it11:31
CellarDoorA nice answer might have been "yes, see packages.debian.org"11:32
Aapzakkay, my answer was not: which KDE is in unstable11:32
kaynikkia: If for Debian, and Ubuntu too, it is so easy to find out yourself11:32
nikkiakay, thats not the point11:32
kayAnd, the people you ask would have to do the very same thing11:32
kayIsn't it unfair to expect people to serve as answer bots for such questions?11:32
kayThe real question, btw11:33
nikkiakay, there's a gulf of difference between 'packages.debian.org' and 'i don't know, check packages.debian.org'11:33
sforwkThanks CellarDoor, I'll go there now.11:33
kayIs - as I guess - the expected follow up11:33
kay3.3.2, hey common. shouldn't it be 3.4.2 at least?11:33
Aapzakkay, I presumed there was someone in the channel running KDE on unstable, and could acknowledge or deny my question11:33
kayYou didn't ask that then...11:33
AapzakI asked: is KDE 3.3.2 in unstable11:34
kayI expect, you ran into some heat with KDE backlog due to C11:34
kayeh sorry11:34
kayC++ transition11:34
kayDebian is by far not as fast to transition as Ubuntu was...11:34
CellarDoorI was reading about qt4 earlier and whats happening with KDE being ported to it and why and so forth... sounds good11:35
nikkiaCellarDoor: KDE is always ported to the latest Qt, eventually11:35
AapzakI was thinking about running Debian @ work, because I like the distro and use it on some servers as well, but they changed my mind, (K)ubuntu and Gentoo people are so much nicer11:35
kayAapzak: So likely, it was not isolated event as it appears to you. I agree, bad behaviour in a way.11:35
kayAapzak: But not so bad and not so undestandable11:35
nikkiaCellarDoor: KDE2->KDE3 was the porting to Qt3, and like this port, happened some time after Qt3 was released11:35
Rogue_Jedi_XAapzak: Do you have Gentoo installed on a computer somewhere?11:36
Aapzakrunning it right now11:36
AapzakGentoo really rocks :)11:36
kayAapzak: I was on Debian testing at work, then switched to Hoary, now Breezy... quite good stuff11:36
c0rrupt_o.011:37
CellarDooreh ?11:37
Aapzakyeah, true, but I can't use it to compile stuff for my servers on it, 11:37
c0rrupt_slackware owns11:37
Rogue_Jedi_XAapzak: How hard a time did you have installing it? I was thinking of trying it out myself on another puter11:37
CellarDoorI was in #mepis, they hate ubuntu hehe11:37
AapzakRogue_Jedi_X: it's not that hard, and you'll learn something along the way, but expect to take at least 24 hours for an install11:38
CellarDoorI won't repeat what they said about kubuntu11:38
AapzakGentoo documentation is the best there is11:38
kayCellarDoor: Thank you very much11:38
CellarDoorI downloaded mepis and had a play with it... I thought it sucked11:38
Rogue_Jedi_XAapzak: I was already expecting something like that11:38
Aapzak:)11:38
Rogue_Jedi_XWho in the right mind could hate (k)ubuntu?11:39
Aapzakwho does?11:39
kayWhy hat a distribution at all11:39
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Rogue_Jedi_X#mepis people, according to CellarDoor 11:39
Aapzak:)11:39
kayHate those that create the code instead :p11:39
Aapzakhate is such an unhealthy emotion11:39
kayActually it likely not even true11:39
Rogue_Jedi_XYes. Use rage instead11:40
nikkiaAapzak: *shrug*11:40
Aapzaknikkia: my english sucks :) 11:40
kayWhat Shuttleworth is doing is give me good feelings11:40
kayI kind of admire his vision...11:40
CellarDoorI played with mepis for a while, but was very happy to get back to my kubuntu desktop11:40
nikkia'hate' doesn't mean what it used to, words change, and 'hate' has become a synonym for 'dislike'11:40
Rogue_Jedi_Xnikkia: Found the juicy firefox thread. This is gold11:41
AapzakRogue_Jedi_X: gimme?11:41
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: you'll get bored after about 300-400 posts11:41
kayAh, well, then Kubuntu probably dislikes everything else with the exception of Debian :p11:41
nikkiai always do11:41
Rogue_Jedi_XThat's what I hate about mailing lists. Unlike forums they don't show how many messages there are11:42
nikkiaAapzak: no offense, but i get tired of hearing people bemoan people using the word 'hate' in place of dislike, the fact is, the word's meaning has changed, no amount of moaning about inapproriate usage will change that :)11:42
CellarDoorthe fact that mepis was still on kde 3.3, a wierd issue with it using not wanting to use my ethernet connection, and the general attitude of Mepis people... I was glad to be rid of Mepis11:42
kayRogue_Jedi_X: Download as mbox and use kmail to read it11:42
Rogue_Jedi_XAh, handy. Thanks, kay11:43
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kayI only hear good things about Mepis11:43
CellarDoorI heard good things too11:43
CellarDoorThats why I tried it11:43
CellarDoorpfft11:44
nikkiafor some reason...11:44
kayI guess, you can't blame a distribution for being older than 3.411:44
nikkiawhenever i see someone mention mepis, i think of morphix11:44
kayOr not every hardware working out of the box11:44
Aapzaknikkia: I understand, I just like to think about language. If hate is used as dislike. What would you have to say the mean the old hate?11:44
kayGive peace a chance, Mepis has some merrits too11:44
nikkiaAapzak: *shrug*11:44
AapzakRogue_Jedi_X: do you have the link for me?11:44
kayAapzak: Like badly :p11:45
Aapzak:)11:45
kayI mean, as a user you need to pay respect11:45
kayAnd when you come to the channel and need support11:45
Aapzakit's allright, you can use the word. I just mean the real hate, the oldfashion way, if you feel that, that can't be healthy :)11:45
kayHow about being grateful, how about expecting not perfect reactions and being glad you get help?11:45
nikkiaAapzak: i know what you mean, i just can't think of any modern equivalent11:45
Rogue_Jedi_XAapzak: Sorry, sorry. Forgot about you.11:46
Rogue_Jedi_Xhttp://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg01160.html11:46
Rogue_Jedi_XI think this is the one11:46
AapzakRogue_Jedi_X: tnx11:46
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: that's a recent resurgance of the issue11:46
Rogue_Jedi_Xo_O11:46
kayThat trademark issue is indeed at the core of a real problem11:46
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: the issue has been a recurring flamefest since about mid-last-year11:46
Rogue_Jedi_XRecent? There was something BEFORE?11:46
Rogue_Jedi_XJeeze11:47
CellarDoortrademark ?11:47
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: soone or later people start slinging 'lets drop firefox from debian completely, that'll show them' strategems around :)11:47
kayYeah, they let you change the code as you want.11:47
Rogue_Jedi_XYeah, I'm reading that right now, actually :P11:47
kayBut then you are not allowed to call it Firefox11:47
kayJust as it always was with Redhat11:47
kayChange it any way you like, just don't call it the same name11:47
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Rogue_Jedi_XWhat's the big deal then. Make the changes needed for security reason and call it Firefucks11:48
kayThe same applies to Debian, can't change it and use their name still11:48
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nikkiakay, personally, i think its a perfectly acceptable situation, but i don't want to start another flamefest :P11:48
kayThe big deal is that Debian is supposed to be the base of other distributions11:48
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: the real issue is weirder than that...11:48
kayAnd that you can take things from there and are not limited in "main".11:48
Rogue_Jedi_Xnikkia: Am I curious enough to know what it is?11:49
nikkiaRogue_Jedi_X: mozilla have granted debian the right to still call it firefox, all the hand wringing is about potential sub-distros that base on debian11:49
kaySoftware with "You are not allowed to change this" are regarded non-free by everybody who thinks of freedom11:49
Rogue_Jedi_XLike Ubuntu?11:49
kayYes, e.g.11:49
nikkiakay, the problem, from mozilla's POV, is that firefox means more than just a few letters11:49
kayEverybody distributing modified firefox is at legal risk11:50
nikkiakay, if people start throwing about wildly modified 'firefox's, then it dilutes the 'brand image' of firefox as a competent web browser11:50
kayIt is a trademark, a reserved word so to say11:50
Rogue_Jedi_XFair enough11:50
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Rogue_Jedi_XFirefox is the current browser of choice, after all11:50
kaynikkia: That brand image thing is all strange to me... they should not focus so much on one product11:50
nikkiakay, and remember, linux is trademarked with similar issues, too11:50
Rogue_Jedi_X(Just wish it wasn't gnome based)11:50
AapzakKonqueror is my browser11:51
kayThe linux trademark was originally not done by Linus11:51
Aapzakit integrates nicely with KDE11:51
kayThey were attempted to be blackmailed, suggested make money schemes11:51
Aapzakand its apps11:51
kayThen it was transferred and now some strange org is trying to finance itself from it11:52
Rogue_Jedi_XAapzak: Yeah, but I like some of Firefox's features better. Like the ability to select a search engine from the pull-down menu or the very nice search function11:52
kayAapzak: For all I hear, Konqueror will be getting Gecko backend too, elimating the need for Firefox completely11:52
kayRogue_Jedi_X: That is in KDE next too.11:53
Rogue_Jedi_XNow that would be awesome11:53
AapzakFirefox is way more compatible with faulty sites, I just like to use Konqueror when possible11:53
kayFor the user it would be much more simple if one browser offered both free rendering engines11:53
Aapzakso no more safari/khtml engine?11:53
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Rogue_Jedi_Xkay: What's KDE next?11:53
nikkiakay, it'd be even nicer if you could define rendering engine on a per site basis :)11:53
kaystill, so, Aapzak , just something from a menu that you can select11:54
Aapzakyeah, that would be nice indeed11:54
kaynikkia: Dunno how that is going to be, AFAIK Dirk Mller does that thing, and he sure knows how to do things well11:54
AapzakI'd opt for IE rendering then ;)11:54
kayRogue_Jedi_X: 3.511:54
Rogue_Jedi_XOh, right11:54
kayI saw it on some preview article11:55
Rogue_Jedi_XDuh11:55
nikkiaAapzak: get MSHTML working via wine, and you probably could :P11:55
AapzakI had it working once, 11:55
AapzakIE in wine11:55
Rogue_Jedi_Xkay: You wouldn't happen to have the URL to it, would you?11:55
Rogue_Jedi_XThe article, I mean11:55
kayNot without google :p11:55
Aapzakneeded to have that for Half-Life2 / Counterstrike11:55
Rogue_Jedi_XDang it11:55
CellarDoorsif use IE11:55
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Aapzaksif?11:56
nikkiaAapzak: probably a wild misspell of sith11:56
Aapzak:)11:56
kayhttp://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/08/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-2.html11:56
kayRogue_Jedi_X: There it is, was on dot.kde.org11:56
Rogue_Jedi_XThanks, kay 11:57
kayI liked IE3.0 in the days11:57
CellarDoorI have a friend who runs HL2 on his ubuntu/SuSE system... as far as I know he doesn't use IE11:57
nikkiabesides, if 2 people in the universe use IE, it barely makes much difference, now, if CellarDoor had said 'dark jedi' then it'd be a different matter :P11:57
Rogue_Jedi_XCellarDoor: Maybe it's a Steam thing11:57
AapzakCellarDoor: I while ago it was needed11:57
kayActually, I never liked Netscape or any Mozilla so far... :p11:57
Aapzakfor steam indeed11:57
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Mustafa^^hi alls11:57
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CellarDoorhello11:58
Aapzakhi11:58
kayHello :)11:58
Mustafa^^How do I update KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.211:58
Mustafa^^I added apt sources11:58
kayMustafa^^: Follow the URL in topic11:58
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kayMustafa^^: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade11:59
Mustafa^^I saw this link but I couln't update11:59
CellarDoorhi aseigo11:59
kayMustafa^^: Do you get an error message?11:59
AapzakMustafa^^: why not?11:59
Mustafa^^Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?       11:59
kayGrats aseigo to your sponsoring :)11:59
Rogue_Jedi_Xy11:59
aseigokay: thanks =)12:00
Mustafa^^Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y12:00
Mustafa^^E: Some packages could not be authenticated12:00
aseigoCellarDoor: hey =)12:00
kayThey are unofficial packages Mustafa^^, that is why you got the question12:00
CellarDoor:)12:00
Mustafa^^ok. kay thanx12:00
kayOh, you say y and they still fail?12:00
Mustafa^^yeah12:01
Rogue_Jedi_XThis is where I sit back and watch how the experts do it12:01
AapzakMustafa^^: you're using hoary sources for your other packages? or still on warty?12:01
CellarDoorI killed my KDE :(12:01
kayI am going to look at that12:01
Aapzaklets not ask CellarDoor about this 3.4.2 :)12:02
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mike1_greetings12:02
Aapzakhi12:02
CellarDoorI haven't fixed it yet12:02
mike1_just tested sound NG 12:02
Rogue_Jedi_XCellarDoor: Have you notified its next of kin?12:02
AapzakCellarDoor: how on earth did you kill it?12:02
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CellarDoorah well...12:02
mike1_sound drums work and sign on works but aplay and audacity and everything else ng12:03
kayoops.. :p12:03
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CellarDoorIt all started when I decided I'd like to get kcontrol back in my kmenu (as it wasn't there after I upgraded to 3.4.2)12:03
CellarDoorI should have just left it alone12:03
Rogue_Jedi_XI added it myself12:03
nikkiamike, try artsplay12:03
AapzakCellarDoor: you killed your config or whole KDE?12:04
c0rrupt_o.012:04
c0rrupt_0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000012:04
CellarDoorah lets just say Konqueror is no more :P12:04
Aapzaktry moving your .kde dir somewhere else?12:04
kayc0rrupt_: hrm?12:04
nikkiamike1_: chances are, you're getting hit by arts locking the sound driver, you either need to switch other apps to use arts, or configure dmix, (there are more complex and exotic solutions however)12:04
mike1_nikkia: looks like it works but no sound12:04

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