[12:03] <brk3> crimsun: will it be in the respitories or are you putting it somewhere else on the net?
[12:04] <phreakys> what file do i need to edit to allow virtual hosts?
[12:04] <phreakys> (apache)
[12:04] <crimsun> brk3: same place as my 1.3 beta 2 debs
[12:04] <brk3> wheres that?!! i was in here asking about those a while and was told noone was making any!
[12:05] <crimsun> sh.nu/~crimsun/amarok/
[12:05] <GatoNegro> hey
[12:06] <brk3> crimsun: thanks!
[12:06] <brk3> you working on it now then ya?
[12:07] <crimsun> brk3: not atm, I have work.
[12:07] <GatoNegro> i'm on a freshly burnt and installed kubuntu I can't remember setting a root password
[12:07] <GatoNegro> lol
[12:07] <GatoNegro> sorry but I need one
[12:08] <GatoNegro> any takers?
[12:08] <brk3> how many times do people have to be told
[12:08] <brk3> GatoNegro: there is no root pass
[12:08] <GatoNegro> excuse me?
[12:08] <brk3> GatoNegro: do you know about sudo?
[12:08] <GatoNegro> yeah
[12:08] <brk3> kubuntu just uses that
[12:09] <[Surge] > sudo passwd root
[12:09] <GatoNegro> ah
[12:09] <GatoNegro> ok
[12:09] <EasterSunshine> that root stuff got me too, first time
[12:10] <benjamin1254> or u could enable SU and put a password on that to activate it ... i knda forget how to do it
[12:10] <EasterSunshine> back then, i was soo stupid, i thought it was my fault, so i changed my distro
[12:11] <benjamin1254> oi i bet that sucked
[12:13] <_dennis> hey folks!
[12:13] <benjamin1254> sup denis
[12:15] <brk3> crimsun: are you using the kde 3.4.2 packages? if you compile amarok with them will it work on the kde that comes with hoary?
[12:15] <Octane> how long after ubuntu breezy is released will kubuntu breezy be released
[12:15] <GatoNegro> hey is there a specific place I can find info on all of ubutu's quirks?
[12:18] <jonkan> heey, here is a new kubuntu user and i need som help, my kopete dosent work :/
[12:18] <brk3> Octane: should be at the exact same time
[12:18] <Octane> brk3: thanks
[12:19] <Octane> is there anything i can do to help
[12:19] <brk3> jonkan: what about it doesnt work?
[12:19] <jonkan> when i try to log on to msn
[12:19] <[Surge] > What does it not do?
[12:19] <brk3> jonkan: you may have to update your version
[12:20] <brk3> msn changed their shit that stopped the default version from working
[12:20] <[Surge] > Mine works
[12:20] <brk3> jonkan: does it keep asking for you password?
[12:20] <[Surge] > Let me check the version
[12:20] <jonkan> who do i do that?
[12:20] <jonkan> i am a noob whit bad english
[12:20] <jonkan> ;)
[12:20] <jonkan> yes
[12:21] <brk3> jonkan: update my man
[12:21] <[Surge] > Kopete 0.10
[12:21] <_dennis> anyone here with a thinkpad r50p?
[12:21] <jonkan> i have 0.10
[12:21] <[Surge] > kopete         3.4.0-0ubuntu2 Instant messenger program
[12:22] <[Surge] > Do you already have an MSN account?
[12:22] <jonkan> yes
[12:23] <[Surge] > And I assume you added a MSN account
[12:23] <jonkan> who can i update the program?
[12:23] <jonkan> yes
[12:23] <[Surge] > And used your MSN e-mail in the MSN Passport ID box
[12:23] <jonkan> yes
[12:24] <[Surge] > Does it keep asking for a new password?
[12:24] <jonkan> yes
[12:25] <[Surge] > I mean keep rejecting your password?
[12:25] <[Surge] > I had the same problem
[12:25] <jonkan> "the password was wrong....."
[12:25] <benjamin1254> it does the same to me alot on kopete
[12:25] <[Surge] > Yeah
[12:25] <[Surge] > But I sorted it out ... now if only I can remember how
[12:26] <[Surge] > I either re-installed kopete from universe or it was the new account I created on MSN (website)
[12:27] <jonkan> is that the only way? 
[12:27] <[Surge] > Well you can also use gaim
[12:28] <jonkan> and that is? 
[12:28] <[Surge] > Similar to kopete but Gnome based
[12:28] <[Surge] > Multiple IM network client
[12:28] <jonkan> where can i download it?
[12:29] <[Surge] > synaptic?
[12:30] <[Surge] > Or apt-get or whatever you prefer
[12:30] <[Surge] > I'm sure it'll be in a repository
[12:31] <mike1> can I run kubuntu on ubuntu warty?
[12:31] <jonkan> this is the first time i use linux, so i cant so much :/
[12:31] <jonkan> *not so much
[12:31] <mike1> changes source.list updates but still not there?
[12:32] <mike1> I used hoary universe
[12:32] <mike1> is there another souce to use?
[12:33] <[Surge] > mike1: I think there is an answer in the ubuntu docs
[12:33] <[Surge] > jonkan: Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file to include "universe"
[12:34] <mike1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[12:34] <_dennis> hmm, why doesn't the libruby1.8 package include yaml.rb?
[12:34] <[Surge] > jonkan: http://ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[12:35] <mike1> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe is what I have in my sources.list file?
[12:36] <[Surge] > mike1: Not sure 
[12:36] <[Surge] > How old is warty?
[12:36] <jonkan> i will try, brb
[12:37] <mike1> It's the first one
[12:37] <mike1> prob out in dec 2004
[12:38] <seth_k|away> Warty was released in Oct 2004
[12:38] <[Surge] > mike1: Have you read this?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com//InstallingKDE
[12:39] <mike1> no 
[12:39] <mike1> but thanks that looks like what I need
[12:40] <[Surge] > It'll do a much better job than I can do :)
[12:40] <[Surge] > jonkan: gaim is in "backports"
[12:40] <jonkan> the comando "sudo gedit" dosent work :/
[12:41] <[Surge] > jonkan: Add the following to your /etc/apt/sources.list file :
[12:41] <[Surge] > ## Backports
[12:41] <[Surge] > deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiverse restricted
[12:41] <[Surge] > deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multiverse restricted
[12:41] <[Surge] > Try sudo kate 
[12:41] <[Surge] > kate is installed by default
[12:41] <GatoNegro> I love the fact that Kubuntu recogninzed my devices etc... but the whole root thing is getting to me
[12:42] <[Surge] > Nah it's not so bad GatoNegro :)
[12:42] <[Surge] > I got used to it after 1 day
[12:42] <[Surge] > But if you want to you can "su -" to your hearts content
[12:43] <crimsun> sudo -s
[12:43] <crimsun> set a root password, then log in as root
[12:43] <[Surge] > Yup
[12:43] <pax> use official backports
[12:44] <[Surge] > Where do I get a list of official backports?
[12:44] <[Surge] > Still a bit green myself
[12:44] <pax> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-backports main universe
[12:44] <pax> multiverse restricted
[12:44] <[Surge] > Ta
[12:45] <pax> mailing list here http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-backports
[12:45] <mike1> surge: yes it looks pretty easy https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryUpgradeNotes
[12:46] <td> Hi, a quick newbie question: I just installed kubuntu on my hard drive. Switching to root with 'su' is not working - I don't know which password I have to use... (?)
[12:46] <[Surge] > pax so I can delete my old backports without a problem?
[12:46] <pax> sure can
[12:46] <crimsun> !tell td about root
[12:46] <[Surge] > Not quite sure how it all works
[12:46] <cartel_> hey guys
[12:46] <cartel_> anyone using skype on ubuntu?
[12:47] <cartel_> er kubuntu
[12:47] <pax> and don't forget to sudo apt-get update
[12:47] <pax> cartel, I do
[12:47] <[Surge] > cartel_: Not yet ... I should install it
[12:47] <cartel_> pax: works well?
[12:47] <td> ?
[12:47] <pax> perfect.
[12:47] <cartel_> pax: i have problems connecting and when i do sound is choppy
[12:48] <td> So what is the default root password in kubuntu?
[12:48] <pax> cartel_: check the wiki for the fix
[12:48] <crimsun> td: read the url I sent you
[12:48] <pax> td there's no root pass, use sudo
[12:48] <cartel_> pax: oh there is a fix, thx
[12:49] <pax> td, if you are tired of typing the pass with sudo use sudo -i
[12:50] <[Surge] > There should be a FAQ for new kubuntu users that pops up the first time you read it.
[12:50] <[Surge] > With :
[12:50] <[Surge] > 1. How to update your sources
[12:50] <[Surge] > 2. How to set a root password and/or use sudo
[12:50] <pax> [Surge] : kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:51] <[Surge] > 3. How to use synaptic/knaptic/apt-get
[12:51] <pax> [Surge] : if you insist on have root account enable it, sudo passwd root
[12:51] <td> pax: Many thanks!!
[12:51] <pax> on having*
[12:51] <[Surge] > Yes I know pax - I was just making a list of common questions that all the new users seem to ask
[12:52] <[Surge] > I already know how to do it
[12:52] <td> crimsun: Thank you very much!
[12:52] <pax> oh, sorry
[12:52] <[Surge] > I'm just noticing those common ones when guys come here to ask questions and I was asking those same questions 3 days ago :)
[12:53] <pax> [Surge] : ubuntu/kubuntu is well documented but you can never get people to check the docs before asking questions, it's human nature.
[12:53] <[Surge] > That's why they should be popped up on a "welcome" screen 
[12:54] <[Surge] > In your face but only have to see it once  :)
[12:54] <pax> ubuntuguide (altho rookies don't like it) have almost every answer to newbies questions
[12:54] <[Surge] > Yes
[12:54] <[Surge] > But not every one has mastered the Internet yet :)
[12:55] <[Surge] > It becomes a question of IRC vs HTML  :)
[12:55] <jsubl2> any one know how to get sound from java apps.. with gnome you disable kde.. can't seem to find a way to do it with kde tho.
[12:55] <cartel_> pax: i cant even get it to connect to echo123
[12:55] <jsubl2> disable esd i mean
[12:56] <pax> cartel_: check kmix and make sure your mic is working
[12:56] <cartel_> it wont connect
[12:56] <pax> oh won't connect, why?
[12:56] <cartel_> the problem is not that there is no sound just wont connect
[12:56] <pax> have username/pass?
[12:56] <benjamin1254> echo123?\
[12:56] <cartel_> i can login to the service
[12:56] <cartel_> other people on my lan can use skype fine
[12:56] <cartel_> in windows
[12:56] <[Surge] > jsubl2: Control Center->Sound and Media->Sound System
[12:57] <pax> cartel_: behind a router maybe?
[12:57] <cartel_> pax: did you just read what i said
[12:57] <pax> sorry, I'm slow.
[12:57] <cartel_> pax: brain lag :)
[12:57] <benjamin1254> u must have loads of lag time then
[12:57] <titus> salut tout le monde
[12:58] <jsubl2> thanks [Surge]  will check it 
[12:58] <cartel_> im going to try krecord
[12:58] <pax> nah I just type slow (one hand), the left one is nerve damaged after an accident on the job couple of months ago
[12:59] <benjamin1254> i wana use mine as a mini radio station so i can play music for the poor people on dial up... i although have 128kb cable internet... ne ideas how?
[01:01] <sorush20> i'm using kubuntu and want to set the default file open dialogue, in every application to the kde open file dialogue.. 
[01:02] <benjamin1254> \:|
[01:03] <pax> sorush20: nothing about it in kconsole > KDE componment > file manager?
[01:03] <pax> component*
[01:04] <sorush20> pax: I just don't know what you said.. sorry.. newbe.. 
[01:05] <benjamin1254> newbish speek plz lol
[01:05] <pax> sorush20: explain again what you want do to, you don't want any file associations is that it?
[01:05] <cartel_> any way to make kmix not monitor the mic
[01:06] <pax> benjamin1254: I'm good at that since I'm newb myself :D
[01:06] <pax> cartel_: what you mean not monitor?
[01:07] <cartel_> pax: all sound in my mic is coming out speakers
[01:07] <pax> oh echo, yes you have an option for that in kmix
[01:08] <cartel_> dont see it
[01:08] <phreakys> i cant seem to get phpsupport for apache. ;?
[01:08] <pax> one sec let me fire it up
[01:09] <pax> turn off mic boost 
[01:09] <pax> in switches tab
[01:10] <sorush20> pax: no. in firefox when I use the open file command then the gnome file browser is used instead of the KDE browers.. 
[01:11] <benjamin1254> oi too much geek talk... i will be a geek in 2 years and 41 days from now
[01:12] <pax> sorush20: ah never had a problem like that since I dont have gnome installed
[01:12] <cartel_> now it doesnt record
[01:12] <benjamin1254> how do u open the WM apps?
[01:13] <pax> cartel_: if you turn boost off it doesnt record?
[01:13] <sorush20> really.. can I just remove the gnome componets.. 
[01:13] <sorush20> form synaptic.. 
[01:13] <pax> sure can
[01:13] <sorush20> but then there are somethings that are good in synaptic that are not as good in kde.. 
[01:14] <sorush20> synaptic is one.. 
[01:14] <benjamin1254> how do u open the WM apps?
[01:14] <sorush20> where as knaptic seems to be lacking.. 
[01:14] <pax> you can keep synaptic
[01:14] <cartel_> no now it just doesnt work at all in kmix
[01:14] <pax> dont need the entire gnome desktop just to have synaptic
[01:15] <pax> cartel_: toy a bit with kmix you'll get it
[01:15] <benjamin1254> i know i had to and oi was it a pain in my posterior to get my sound to work right
[01:16] <cartel_> ahh got it. capture was unticked
[01:16] <pax> benjamin1254: what are you trying to do, sound is not working?
[01:17] <benjamin1254> no
[01:17] <pax> need more than that
[01:17] <benjamin1254> how do u open the WM apps? im trying to get them to run but none will... i dont even see them in the start k gear menu
[01:18] <pax> what WM apps?
[01:18] <pax> Multimedia apps?
[01:18] <benjamin1254> all of them... the cpu usage one and the one for the on screeen weather report
[01:18] <benjamin1254> wmweather
[01:19] <pax> I didnt know ubuntu come with wmweather nor what is it
[01:20] <benjamin1254> ime using the kde version which doesent have it built in so u have to get it from the universal 
[01:20] <pax> if you have it installed, can't you start it from console?
[01:20] <benjamin1254> idk how
[01:20] <pax> if it exists then just add it with kmenuedit
[01:20] <phreakys> i installed php out of the repos, but its without mysql support :/
[01:20] <phreakys> is there a mysql enabled version out of the box?
[01:20] <pax> benjamin1254: open konsole and type: wmweather
[01:21] <benjamin1254> bash: wmweather: command not found
[01:21] <pax> benjamin1254: right click on Kmenu > Menu editor and add apps you have installed but not showing on the kmenu
[01:22] <pax> benjamin1254: one a minute this some windowmaker dockapp
[01:22] <benjamin1254> yes i do think so
[01:23] <pax> you confused the hell outta me, why don't you use superkaramba much better than that crap
[01:23] <pax> benjamin1254: sudo apt-get install superkaramba and go find some good themes from kdelook.org
[01:24] <GatoNegro> tried it don't like it going back to good old slackware
[01:24] <GatoNegro> nice talking to you guys
[01:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There's also kweather
[01:25] <pax> phreakys: sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
[01:25] <supernix> bravo nikkia 
[01:26] <supernix> That Python script you gave me runs rings around what ImageMagick did
[01:30] <GatoNegro> sigh
[01:30] <GatoNegro> I give up
[01:31] <benjamin1254> i tried runing wmweather and i got the following output
[01:31] <benjamin1254> Service '/home/benjamin1254/.local/share/applications/wmweather.desktop' is malformatted.
[01:41] <supernix> OMG that is so sad
[01:41] <jeffm_> hey guys
[01:41] <jeffm_> im having trouble connecting to wireless networks on my laptop
[01:42] <jeffm_> can anyone take a look at my /etc/network/interfaces and see if there are any problems?
[01:45] <jeffm_> anyone?
[01:47] <jsubl2> have you tried the wiki
[01:47] <jeffm_> where can i find it?
[01:47] <jsubl2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=wireless&titlesearch=Titles
[01:54] <benjamin1254> i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba
[02:12] <benjamin1254> i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba
[02:13] <benjamin1254> i cant even see the file on superkaramba
[02:23] <phreakys> arg
[02:23] <phreakys> i just cant seem to get php with mysql working
[02:23] <phreakys> help!
[02:25] <utta> phreakys: have you installed php4-mysql?
[02:25] <phreakys> yes
[02:25] <phreakys> i even tried reconfiguring the package
[02:25] <phreakys> its still without mysql
[02:25] <utta> phreakys: have you restarted apache?
[02:25] <phreakys> yea, several times
[02:25] <phreakys> first killed all processes
[02:25] <phreakys> killall -9 apache2
[02:26] <phreakys> but its still not working :/
[02:26] <phreakys> http://3k2.ath.cx/3k2.ath.cx/test.php
[02:26] <utta> phreakys: what error message are you getting?
[02:26] <phreakys> its in phpinfo
[02:26] <phreakys> it says php is not compiled with mysql
[02:27] <pax> apache-modconf apache enable mod_php4
[02:27] <pax> wait, apache2?
[02:27] <phreakys> yes
[02:28] <phreakys> something wrong?
[02:28] <pax> mysql-server installed?
[02:29] <phreakys> yes
[02:29] <pax> did you test with info.php?
[02:29] <utta> phreakys: go to /etc/php4/apache2, and edit the file php.ini - look at the end of the file for a line similar o extension=mysql.so
[02:29] <phreakys> ehm with phpinfo ()
[02:29] <phreakys> ok, will do
[02:30] <phreakys> yes, its there
[02:30] <phreakys> ; End:
[02:30] <phreakys> extension=mysql.so
[02:30] <pax> sudo apache2ctl restart
[02:31] <utta> phreakys: ok do an /etc/init.d/apache2 force-reload and test again
[02:32] <phreakys> i killed all processes of apache2 and tried again several times
[02:32] <phreakys> its the same again
[02:32] <phreakys> without-mysql :/
[02:33] <phreakys> do i have to build php?
[02:33] <utta> phreakys: Ok try do a sudo apt-get remove --purge php4-mysql, then do a sudo apt-get install php4-mysql
[02:33] <phreakys> ok
[02:33] <benjamin1254> pax: i cant get liquidweather to run but i have the newest version of superkaramba
[02:34] <benjamin1254> i cant even see the file on superkaramba
[02:34] <pax> you'll need themes for superkaramba
[02:34] <benjamin1254> yes i tried DLin it and i cant see the file for it
[02:34] <phreakys> restarting apache
[02:35] <phreakys> same :/
[02:35] <phreakys> i also have php4 package installed. maybe thats wrong?
[02:35] <pax> benjamin1254: theme files you need to open are usually .theme
[02:36] <pax> you need php4
[02:36] <benjamin1254> .theme well this one is  a .skz file 
[02:36] <phreakys> ok, php4-mysql is not the whole version?
[02:36] <pax> sudo apache2ctl configtest spits no error?
[02:37] <phreakys> no real errors
[02:37] <phreakys> only something about servername, but that should be irrelevant
[02:37] <pax> sudo apache2ctl graceful
[02:37] <pax> servername, hmm vhost
[02:38] <phreakys> yea, ive got 2 vhosts
[02:38] <phreakys> maybe try building php, instead of getting it from repos?
[02:39] <phreakys> there are quite a few notifications of this kind of problem on google
[02:39] <phreakys> didnt find the sollution yet though :/
[02:39] <pax> the one from repos should work,, you had problems with apache all along, you delete /etc/apache2 at some point iiirc
[02:39] <phreakys> yea, but its ok again
[02:40] <utta> phreakys: are you sure you have php setup with apache2?
[02:40] <phreakys> yea, i installed php with kynaptic
[02:40] <phreakys> and apt-get install php4
[02:40] <phreakys> + apt-get install php4-mysql
[02:41] <utta> phreakys: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 as well?
[02:41] <pax> --purge remove both and then sudo apt-get install php4 php4-mysql
[02:41] <phreakys> yes
[02:41] <phreakys> that one to
[02:41] <phreakys> what does php4-mysql do?
[02:42] <utta> phreakys: a2enable php4 done as well?
[02:42] <phreakys> isnt it another build of php with the right stuff in?
[02:42] <phreakys> a2enable?
[02:42] <pax> functions for communicating with mysql database server
[02:42] <utta> phreakys: yep, enable the module for use by apache2
[02:43] <phreakys> im not sure
[02:43] <utta> phreakys: go to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled, and you should see 2 entries pertaining to php4
[02:44] <phreakys> yes, php4.conf and php4.load
[02:44] <I_Eat_Plastic> I'm trying to brun a CD using k3b, it needs "cdrdao" to write CDs, where can I install this from?
[02:44] <pax> he said he got phpinfo(); to work
[02:44] <pax> !info cdrdao
[02:44] <phreakys> yea, http://3k2.ath.cx/3k2.ath.cx/test.php
[02:44] <ubotu> cdrdao: (Disk-At-Once (DAO) recording of audio and data CD-Rs/CD-RWs), section universe/otherosfs, is extra. Version: 1:1.1.9-3ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 385 kB, Installed size: 1088 kB
[02:45] <utta> phreakys: phpinfo(); work correctly?
[02:45] <phreakys> yes, its saying that mysql is not an option
[02:45] <phreakys> --without-mysql
[02:45] <utta> phreakys: OK, I'm baffled....
[02:46] <phreakys> but...php4-mysql...isnt that just a build of php with mysql config on?
[02:46] <phreakys> tnx anyway utta ;)
[02:46] <phreakys> u2 pax 
[02:46] <phreakys> im just a little keen to get this baby working
[02:46] <utta> phreakys: no, it's a module that enables mysql for use with php
[02:47] <phreakys> but if php isnt build with mysqlsupport?
[02:48] <utta> phreakys: I have just looked at that link, and it says mysql is enabled. Refresh your browser cache and try again
[02:48] <phreakys> yes?!
[02:49] <benjamin1254> what theam has liquid weather?
[02:49] <phreakys> its still disabled here :/
[02:50] <phreakys> ahaah
[02:50] <phreakys> cool
[02:50] <phreakys> its working 
[02:50] <phreakys> my god...i cleaned..i cleared like ten times firefox cache
[02:50] <phreakys> and still --without mysql
[02:50] <utta> phreakys: I think your browser was lying to you - it did not refresh the page cache
[02:50] <phreakys> well, tnx for checking out
[02:51] <utta> phreakys: Ok, No probs, Good Luck...
[02:51] <phreakys> pfew, it works finally :)
[02:51] <phreakys> tnx
[02:52] <benjamin1254> what theme has liquid weather?
[02:53] <pax> don't forget to delete test.php phreakys 
[02:54] <phreakys> ok, tnx pax
[02:54] <pax> benjamin1254: http://kdelook.org/content/show.php?content=6384
[02:59] <benjamin1254> im still only finding it as a .skz file 
[03:01] <phreakys> ok, its up again :)
[03:02] <phreakys> only need to change include path :/
[03:02] <pax> benjamin1254: you unpack first don't you?
[03:04] <benjamin1254> no ... it says it is binary files and i tried it like it wanted first and it came out all scrambled
[03:04] <benjamin1254> do rpm files work in kubuntu?
[03:04] <pax> benjamin1254: could, try with alien
[03:04] <benjamin1254> thats my sec question
[03:05] <benjamin1254> alien?
[03:05] <pax> benjamin1254: browser to the theme with konqueror, right click > Extract here
[03:06] <pax> then open superkaramba > open file > browse to .theme > click ok
[03:06] <pax> benjamin1254: yes alien
[03:06] <pax> !info alien
[03:06] <ubotu> alien: (install non-native packages with dpkg), section admin, is optional. Version: 8.50 (hoary), Packaged size: 112 kB, Installed size: 288 kB
[03:07] <benjamin1254> LMFAO look at this xp theam
[03:08] <benjamin1254> http://nigritude.sourceforge.net/nigritude-ultramarine/download.shtml
[03:08] <benjamin1254>  theme*
[03:10] <benjamin1254> ;) tell me what u think
[03:10] <pax> yeah it sucks :)
[03:10] <benjamin1254> :))
[03:11] <pax> http://ninux.net/files/ubuntu.png <- this is what mine looks like
[03:11] <benjamin1254> well it has an xp look to it thats what i find nice for the windows lovers
[03:12] <pax> the entire point of running kubuntu is to stay as far I can from windoz
[03:13] <pax> having a theme like that may lead to depression, revive old bad memories or even make me lose hair
[03:14] <benjamin1254> LMFAO i agree with u but like its for thoes are too stuck on winblows to move over to linux.. . it may be even better if somone made a windows xp splash screen for it too to trick the parents
[03:16] <pax> parents? *I* am the parent damn it
[03:16] <benjamin1254> well some of these parents are computer illiterate u know
[03:16] <benjamin1254> and dont know winblows is bad for there pc
[03:17] <phreakys> :)
[03:18] <benjamin1254> do u know how to run the splash screens... i mean replace them
[03:18] <benjamin1254> for kubuntu
[03:18] <phreakys> yea
[03:18] <benjamin1254> how
[03:19] <phreakys> i just installed em
[03:19] <phreakys> with splashy!
[03:19] <benjamin1254> splashy is a program i can get with apt-get?
[03:19] <phreakys> apt-get install splashy
[03:19] <phreakys> yea
[03:19] <phreakys> it works fine
[03:19] <phreakys> you only need to adjust the background
[03:19] <phreakys> or go with the theme :)
[03:20] <phreakys> personally i liked the commandline output. would have been great to have picture + commandline
[03:20] <benjamin1254> Reading package lists... Done
[03:20] <benjamin1254> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:20] <benjamin1254> E: Couldn't find package splashy
[03:20] <phreakys> hm, you have universe on?
[03:20] <benjamin1254> yes the latest 1
[03:21] <phreakys> i guess splashy is part of the obscure list
[03:21] <phreakys> lemme take a peak
[03:21] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337903
[03:22] <phreakys> i guess its in the backports or something :)
[03:22] <phreakys> apt-cache search splashy
[03:23] <sproingie> no hits for splashy
[03:23] <benjamin1254> so wich 1 do i do then the install splashy thingie... i see a list of mirrors
[03:24] <benjamin1254> backport mirrors?
[03:24] <phreakys> yea
[03:24] <phreakys> etc/apt/sources.list
[03:24] <sproingie> maybe because backports still hasn't heard of the 64 bit world
[03:24] <phreakys> ehm, im not sure
[03:24] <phreakys> ive got it in my repos though
[03:25] <phreakys> and that one is working quite easily
[03:25] <benjamin1254> what do i do to use it so i can search through with apt-get
[03:26] <phreakys> it should be named as splashy
[03:27] <phreakys> 'splashy - A complete user-space boot splash system' 
[03:27] <benjamin1254> oi too darn may files to sift through
[03:27] <phreakys> you need to change your sources.list
[03:27] <phreakys> and apt-get update
[03:27] <phreakys> then it will be in the list
[03:28] <phreakys> just make sure universe/multiverse and the backdoor thing is on
[03:28] <benjamin1254> how do i change my sorces.list file?
[03:28] <phreakys> open a terminal window
[03:28] <benjamin1254> k
[03:29] <phreakys> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:29] <phreakys> check if all of the repos that were in the pastebin are present
[03:30] <phreakys> i believe the standard file misses multiverse and backdoor :/
[03:30] <benjamin1254> yeah now how do i add it to the list?
[03:30] <phreakys> backport
[03:31] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337906
[03:31] <phreakys> put these 4 lines in
[03:31] <phreakys> and make sure that all lines starting with deb, are uncommented
[03:32] <phreakys> after that, save
[03:32] <phreakys> ctrl-o
[03:32] <phreakys> then update the list with:
[03:32] <phreakys> apt-get update
[03:32] <phreakys> then you should have it in your list
[03:32] <phreakys> you can check with:
[03:32] <phreakys> apt-cache search splashy
[03:36] <benjamin1254> i tried updating the file and i cant
[03:36] <benjamin1254> i copy and pasted it in
[03:37] <benjamin1254> and it says i cant save it
[03:37] <phreakys> no, you need to do it from nano
[03:37] <benjamin1254> nano?
[03:37] <phreakys> at least use sudo 
[03:37] <phreakys> yea, you need to have rootpermissions for that file
[03:37] <phreakys> if you launch sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:37] <phreakys> you get writepermissions
[03:37] <phreakys> just enter your userpassword
[03:39] <benjamin1254> i have this in my terminal
[03:39] <benjamin1254>  GNU nano 1.2.4             File: /etc/apt/sources.list              Modified
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary universe
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security main restricted
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary-security universe
[03:39] <phreakys> dont paste here
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu hoary multiverse
[03:39] <phreakys> there are special sites for that
[03:39] <benjamin1254> ## Backports
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-backports main universe multiv$
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb http://ubuntu-backports.mirrormax.net/ hoary-extras main universe multivers$
[03:39] <benjamin1254>  deb ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe multive$
[03:39] <phreakys> you may get kicked for pasting
[03:39] <benjamin1254> deb-src ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu hoary main restricted universe mult$
[03:39] <benjamin1254> ## Uncomment the following two lines to fetch major bug fix updates produced
[03:40] <benjamin1254> ## after the final release of the distribution.
[03:40] <benjamin1254> ^G Get Help  ^O WriteOut  ^R Read File ^Y Prev Page ^K Cut Text  ^C Cur Pos
[03:40] <benjamin1254> ^X Exit      ^J Justify   ^W Where Is  ^V Next Page ^U UnCut Txt ^T To Spell
[03:40] <benjamin1254> srry
[03:40] <benjamin1254> :'((
[03:40] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/
[03:40] <phreakys> use something like that 
[03:40] <pax> great benjamin1254, you just discovered copy/paste :-)
[03:40] <benjamin1254> i seriosly dident mean to i just thought id show it here dident knw it was wrong o show my output here
[03:41] <pax> it's okay nobody's watching, do it again (not) 
[03:42] <jonkan> is it any linux musik program that can play *.pls?
[03:42] <phreakys> ok, you could use this one
[03:42] <phreakys> http://pastebin.com/337903
[03:42] <phreakys> copy this paste
[03:42] <phreakys> and then from terminal enter
[03:42] <phreakys> sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:42] <phreakys> you'll get a gui-editor to paste it in
[03:42] <pax> jonkan: last.fm?
[03:43] <phreakys> save it, and you're set to go
[03:43] <Sgep> Hi all
[03:43] <phreakys> hi
[03:43] <Sgep> What license it Unison under?
[03:43] <Sgep> err... the Unison soundfont
[03:43] <jonkan> pax, whats that?
[03:43] <pax> jonkan: wants a music programs that plays playlists?
[03:44] <jonkan> pax: yes
[03:44] <pax> jonkan: what are you using now?
[03:45] <jonkan> pax: i dont have any, i think :)
[03:45] <pax> try amarok
[03:45] <jonkan> pax: where can i fint it?
[03:45] <pax> sudo apt-get install amarok
[03:45] <phreakys> is it save if i just chmod 777 mysql datadir?
[03:46] <jonkan> tanks
[03:46] <jonkan> *thanks pax
[03:47] <pax> why would you do that phreakys?
[03:47] <phreakys> im having problems with mysql write permissions
[03:48] <phreakys> "Notice: Table 'mos_session' is read only "
[03:48] <pax> what are you installing now wordpress drupal something like that?
[03:48] <phreakys> nah, ive got mambo and phpnuke running
[03:48] <phreakys> but it cant write to the database somehow
[03:49] <pax> and you created a database with root?
[03:49] <phreakys> it uses a root user though
[03:49] <phreakys> yes
[03:49] <pax> why don't you create a user for that database?
[03:50] <phreakys> well, thats a possibility. but ive allways been to lazy to create another user besides root
[03:50] <phreakys> not an excuse
[03:50] <pax> bad boy!
[03:50] <phreakys> yea ;)
[03:51] <pax> GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES ON databse_name.*
[03:51] <pax> TO nobody@localhost IDENTIFIED BY 'password';
[03:51] <phreakys> hm
[03:51] <pax> then flush privileges;
[03:52] <phreakys> ive got 3 superusers
[03:52] <phreakys> 3k2, localhost and debian-sys-maint
[03:52] <phreakys> they got all rights according to phpmyadmin
[03:53] <phreakys> should i proceed flushing? 
[03:53] <pax> up to you =)
[03:53] <phreakys> :)
[03:55] <pax> what's mambo?
[03:56] <phreakys> its the succesor of phpnuke
[03:56] <phreakys> a big chunk of modules cms
[03:56] <phreakys> pretty cool if you like lots of useless modules and stuff
[03:56] <phreakys> i like it
[03:57] <phreakys> and its more secure than phpnuke i guess
[03:57] <phreakys> my phpnukesite has been hacked twice
[03:57] <phreakys> still like phpnuke though...im still amazed at what people think of to program
[04:10] <pax> show me when it's up :c)
[04:12] <JeffAMcGee> hacked twice and you always connect to mysql as root...
[04:12] <phreakys> lol
[04:12] <phreakys> yea, but i believe that was due to phpnuke's sql injection problems
[04:12] <phreakys> ive never had a total security breach
[04:12] <phreakys> so far...
[04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> How do I get the GNU C++ compiler?
[04:12] <phreakys> just some polish or turkish crazy group putting their logo's on my life's work
[04:12] <phreakys> ;)
[04:12] <JeffAMcGee> for gcc: sudo apt-get install build-essential
[04:12] <JeffAMcGee> That includes a few things like make in addition to gcc and g++ that you will undoubtedly need.
[04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, that seemed quick, how can I be sure it installed?
[04:12] <pax> gcc -v
[04:12] <srineer> can some one point me to the apt-get reps for kubuntu?
[04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, I keep get getting this error when trying to build-essential http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html
[04:12] <srineer> i have ubuntu
[04:12] <pax> !repos
[04:12] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[04:12] <pax> srineer: wait, reps for kubuntu are the same as for ubuntu, do you mean KDE?
[04:12] <srineer> yes
[04:12] <pax> topic
[04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Hmm, I keep get getting this error when trying to build-essential http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html
[04:12] <I_Eat_Plastic> Sorry for double post.
[04:13] <srineer> once i add the repos.... do i apt-get install kde or something?
[04:13] <pax> srineer: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:13] <pax> sudo apt-get update before you do that
[04:13] <srineer> done
[04:14] <srineer> ok
[04:14] <srineer> thanks
[04:14] <pax> enjoy kubuntu
[04:14] <srineer> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-deskto
[04:14] <pax> deskto(p)
[04:14] <srineer> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-desktop
[04:15] <pax> srineer: did you sudo apt-get update?
[04:15] <srineer> yep
[04:15] <pax> srineer: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to some pastebin
[04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> http://rafb.net/paste/
[04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> ;O
[04:16] <srineer> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[04:16] <srineer> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu warty-security main restricted
[04:16] <srineer> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[04:16] <srineer> deb-src http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342/ hoary-updates main
[04:16] <pax> ouch
[04:16] <srineer> deb ftp://bolugftp.uni-bonn.de/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main
[04:16] <srineer> deb http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main
[04:16] <srineer> deb http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/software/kde/stable/3.4.2/kubuntu hoary-updates main
[04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> Stop
[04:16] <I_Eat_Plastic> x_x
[04:16] <srineer> sorry
[04:16] <pax> press Esc dear
[04:17] <pax> it's okay I wasn't clear enough I guess
[04:17] <I_Eat_Plastic> pastebin = http://rafb.net/paste/
[04:17] <srineer> ah
[04:17] <srineer> well thats it
[04:17] <pax> give us the url please
[04:18] <srineer> http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZZDzgs73.html
[04:19] <I_Eat_Plastic> Goto http://ubuntuguide.org/
[04:19] <I_Eat_Plastic> And goto section Repositories
[04:19] <I_Eat_Plastic> follow instructions there.
[04:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> Should help,
[04:20] <I_Eat_Plastic> srineer
[04:20] <srineer> hmm
[04:20] <pax> srineer: copy this http://ninux.net/files/sources
[04:21] <pax> then sudo apt-get update
[04:21] <pax> then sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[04:23] <srineer> this is what i got http://rafb.net/paste/results/ZZDzgs73.html
[04:24] <pax> yes, backup your list and try the one I gave you.
[04:25] <pax> wo wo wo wait
[04:25] <pax> you are using warty?
[04:25] <srineer> yes
[04:25] <srineer> ?
[04:25] <srineer> sorry im new to ubuntu
[04:26] <srineer> im used to debian and suse
[04:26] <pax> we are curently using hoary would like just to stick with warty?
[04:26] <srineer> since this is a new install would it be better to download kubuntu?
[04:27] <pax> new install of warty?
[04:27] <srineer> i only used this disk because i got it in the mail and it was setting here for a while
[04:27] <pax> any reason why you are using warty, would you rather use the lastest release?
[04:27] <pax> ah ok :)
[04:28] <srineer> better to get kubuntu downlaod?
[04:28] <pax> well since you have warty you could just upgrade :)
[04:28] <srineer> ok
[04:28] <srineer> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[04:28] <pax> get my sources.list, sudo apt-get update
[04:28] <pax> then yes dist-upgrade
[04:28] <srineer> cool
[04:28] <srineer> will do
[04:28] <pax> then install kubuntu if you want
[04:29] <srineer> thanks
[04:29] <pax> good luck, let us know how the upgrade went
[04:29] <srineer> np
[04:32] <N17R0> hi can someone tell me how the hell can I stop ProFTPD from autostart at boot ?
[04:33] <cartel_> rm /etc/rc2.d/S*proftpd
[04:33] <N17R0> ok ty
[04:35] <I_Eat_Plastic> Can someone tell me why I get this error message wen trying to apt-get install-essentials http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOUfeT63.html
[04:35] <N17R0> and can someone tell me why the SMTP thing is starting at boot?
[04:35] <N17R0> Starting nmap 3.81 ( http://www.insecure.org/nmap/ ) at 2005-08-16 04:33 CEST
[04:35] <N17R0> Interesting ports on localhost.localdomain (127.0.0.1):
[04:35] <N17R0> (The 1660 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
[04:35] <N17R0> PORT    STATE SERVICE
[04:35] <N17R0> 22/tcp  open  ssh
[04:35] <N17R0> 25/tcp  open  smtp
[04:35] <N17R0> 631/tcp open  ipp
[04:36] <N17R0> Nmap finished: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.203 seconds
[04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> Use pastebin please.
[04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> http://rafb.net/paste/
[04:36] <N17R0> ok sorry for that
[04:36] <I_Eat_Plastic> It's alright, my request keeps getting pushed to the top, lol.
[04:36] <N17R0> but i don't need smtp 
[04:36] <N17R0> and what the hell is "ipp" ?
[04:39] <seth_k> internet print protocol, yes?
[04:40] <N17R0> hmm that could possible be that, but is it needed to run linux ?
[04:41] <N17R0> and ssh I also dont use
[04:41] <N17R0> can those be disabled ?
[04:41] <N17R0> and smtp
[04:43] <thoreauputic> N17R0: nmapping yourself doesn't really tell you anything - those services are only listening on the loopback interface
[04:44] <thoreauputic> smtp and ipp are used for mail and your printer
[04:44] <thoreauputic> respectively
[04:45] <N17R0> ok but isnt smtp a mail "server"  ?
[04:45] <pax> N17R0: install rcconf (runlevel configuration tool) and disable what you don't need
[04:45] <N17R0> I dont need to run a mail server
[04:45] <N17R0> ok let me check that tool
[04:46] <thoreauputic> N17R0: yes, it's a mail server - but it is used locally for instance to send root / you messages about cron jobs, etc
[04:47] <N17R0> alright thx for that info, im quite new on linux, i need to learn alot :P
[04:48] <N17R0> nice tool rcconfig
[04:48] <N17R0> *rcconf
[04:49] <pax> don't go nuts with it disabling stuff you need :D
[04:50] <N17R0> rofl
[04:50] <N17R0> yeah I first need to know what all those services do
[04:50] <pax> google is your friend
[04:51] <N17R0> i know
[04:51] <N17R0> btw
[04:51] <I_Eat_Plastic> pax: can you help me quick? ;O
[04:52] <N17R0> i dunno if i disabled this service accidently: bootmisc.sh_backup
[04:52] <pax> ask away, many smart people around
[04:52] <N17R0> u guys have that service also disabled/?
[04:52] <I_Eat_Plastic> pax: You seem to be the only one responding, lol.. I'll ask though
[04:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> When I try to sudo apt-get install build-essential I get this output error.
[04:53] <I_Eat_Plastic> http://rafb.net/paste/results/Kd6Ix313.html
[04:53] <N17R0> bootmisc.sh_backup = enabled or disabled  by default ?
[04:53] <pax> I_Eat_Plastic: what release are you suing?
[04:54] <I_Eat_Plastic> Kubuntu? :o
[04:54] <pax> warty, hoary, breezy?
[04:54] <I_Eat_Plastic> hoary
[04:55] <pax> enable universe and multiverse sudo apt-get update and try again
[04:55] <N17R0> pls can someone confirm this: bootmisc.sh_backup = enabled or disabled  by default ?
[04:55] <N17R0> I maybe switch it off by accident
[04:55] <I_Eat_Plastic> pax: I'm kindof new, can you put that in newbie terms?
[04:56] <pax> I_Eat_Plastic: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:56] <pax> uncomment universe and multiverse sudo apt-get update and try again
[04:57] <pax> I'm newb too btw :c)
[04:57] <I_Eat_Plastic> So I don't feel so alone
[04:57] <pax> N17R0: if in doubt enable
[04:57] <I_Eat_Plastic> :] 
[04:58] <pax> here, get my sources.list just cp/paste http://ninux.net/files/source
[04:58] <pax> here, get my sources.list just cp/paste http://ninux.net/files/sources
[04:59] <N17R0> ok
[04:59] <N17R0> ok time to sleep
[05:00] <N17R0> thx for help all
[05:00] <pax> np, good night
[05:00] <N17R0> ty
[05:29] <Sgep> Test
[05:32] <Sgep> dcop konversation Konversation sayToAll Test
[05:33] <jsubl2> loaded kubuntu-64 breezy tonight.. it is lookin good.  found 1 problem
[05:38] <rgautam> hellooo
[05:39] <jsubl2> hello
[05:39] <userXa0> hi
[05:39] <rgautam> hoz everything
[05:39] <jsubl2> good
[05:39] <rgautam> i m new to this channel.
[05:39] <rgautam> i am gautam. n u?
[05:40] <rgautam> jsubl?
[05:40] <jsubl2> jim
[05:40] <rgautam> great. where frm?
[05:40] <rgautam> i am in japan now.
[05:40] <jsubl2> dallas,tx usa
[05:40] <jsubl2> rgautam: where you from originally
[05:40] <rgautam> japan just had a 7.1 quake
[05:40] <jsubl2> wow
[05:41] <rgautam> jim i m frm India
[05:41] <rgautam> WOW?
[05:41] <jsubl2> damn 7.1  that is a rocker
[05:41] <rgautam> it sure was. 
[05:41] <rgautam> and a long one too
[05:42] <rgautam> the centre was away from our place though
[05:42] <pax> linux is widely used in japan or what?
[05:42] <rgautam> ya. its used pretty widely here
[05:43] <pax> smart people
[05:43] <rgautam> right.
[05:43] <pax> in india too?
[05:43] <rgautam> in india also, its very popular
[05:43] <rgautam> i just started using ubuntu.
[05:43] <rgautam> u guys tired it?
[05:43] <jsubl2> ubuntu/kubuntu seems to be the best to me.
[05:43] <userXa0> just installed kubuntu last night
[05:44] <pax> yeah it's the best thing since sliced bread
[05:44] <rgautam> great.
[05:44] <rgautam> it rocks. realy nice packaging
[05:44] <jsubl2> i am running kubuntu-amd64 breezy.. loaded it tonight
[05:44] <userXa0> seems cool so far
[05:44] <pax> jsubl2: no problems with xorg?
[05:44] <jsubl2> none so far...
[05:44] <rgautam> ya its really nice. the upgrades/installion was smooth
[05:44] <pax> good stuff
[05:45] <jsubl2> totem-xine even works. i copied the win32 dir over from another i386 install
[05:45] <jsubl2> i was surprised
[05:45] <jsubl2> one big hiccup
[05:45] <rgautam> ya totem is really powerful. plays almost aal windows media
[05:46] <rgautam> wat hiccup?
[05:46] <jsubl2> had to manually make mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ for the install to finish.. actually finished it manually
[05:46] <rgautam> oh!
[05:46] <pax> jsubl2: do me a favor past the output of cat /etc/debian_version
[05:46] <pax> paste*
[05:47] <jsubl2> testing/unstable
[05:47] <rgautam> mine in 3.1
[05:47] <pax> :c)
[05:47] <pax> and cat /etc/issue ?
[05:48] <rgautam> Ubuntu 5.04 "Hoary Hedgehog" \n \l
[05:48] <pax> that was for jsubl2 
[05:48] <jsubl2> Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Development Branch \n \l
[05:48] <pax> I know whatcha using rag
[05:48] <pax> rgautam* sorry
[05:49] <jsubl2> it is: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/cdimage/daily/20050813/breezy-install-amd64.iso
[05:49] <rgautam> ok
[05:49] <pax> nah I'll wait until october
[05:49] <jsubl2> well i have ran linux along time.. this is just on a 20G partition i had to spare.  no big deal..
[05:50] <rgautam> hoary hedgehog (5.04) is doing fine. I will upgrade when there is a major release/
[05:50] <jsubl2> like to take the new stuff for a spin now an then
[05:50] <pax> I tried Colony CD 2 pretty impressive
[05:50] <pax> yeah that's what Live is for jsubl2 ;-)
[05:51] <pax> ftp://cdimage.ubuntulinux.org/cdimage/releases/breezy/colony-2/breezy-live-i386.iso
[05:51] <jsubl2> pax.. this looks good.. i think i will stay with it for a while.. 
[05:51] <pax> help with bug reporting :c)
[05:51] <jsubl2> yeha
[05:51] <jsubl2> yeah
[05:51] <jsubl2> well night
[05:51] <pax> g'night 
[05:55] <c0rrupt_> whats the command to upgrade to kde 3.4.2
[05:56] <pax> add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main to your sources.list
[05:57] <pax> then sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:57] <c0rrupt_> Thanks.
[05:57] <pax> sudo apt-get updgrade while you are at it
[05:57] <pax> np.
[06:02] <c0rrupt_> Err http://kubuntu.org hoary-updates/main kdelibs4 4:3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary2
[06:02] <c0rrupt_>   Connection timed out
[06:02] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[06:02] <pax> http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php get one of these
[06:03] <pax> you just lost connection, try again
[06:04] <c0rrupt_> lol being owned by nessus
[06:04] <c0rrupt_> yea
[06:04] <c0rrupt_> im being owned by nessus
[06:05] <pax> congratulation!
[06:05] <c0rrupt_> ....
[06:08] <jk-> does anyone have usb devices automounting ?
[06:16] <c0rrupt_> fstab
[06:30] <benjamin1254> pax is there a war to restor my system back to defalt w/o the cd?
[06:30] <benjamin1254> way*
[06:31] <pax> you want to test your system for what?
[06:31] <benjamin1254> i want to completely restore my system back to defalt since it is running slower then b4
[06:32] <benjamin1254> but i dont have the kubuntu cd cuz a friend of mine has it
[06:32] <pax> to restore you need backup, but let's go over this, the system is slow?
[06:32] <benjamin1254> yes
[06:32] <benjamin1254> stutters slow
[06:32] <pax> in console type: ksysguard
[06:33] <pax> check what's using your cpu and ram resources
[06:34] <benjamin1254> what is xorg?
[06:34] <pax> I remember you trying to fix superkaramba, those fancy eye candy suckers can drain your system
[06:35] <benjamin1254> yeah but it says xorg is using alot of my system resorces
[06:35] <pax> xserver-xorg is needed, everything GUI is based on it
[06:35] <pax> leave it alone
[06:35] <benjamin1254> k
[06:36] <benjamin1254> yeah xorg is using tones of resorces
[06:36] <benjamin1254> its slowing me down
[06:37] <pax> what else other than xorg is using lots of ram and cpu?
[06:38] <benjamin1254> ksysguard is the other thing but thats like 1%
[06:38] <benjamin1254> wthats for cpu
[06:38] <benjamin1254> whats ram under
[06:38] <benjamin1254> as labled
[06:39] <pax> ksysguard is what you are using to see that stuff
[06:39] <pax> in console type: uptime
[06:39] <pax> and paste here to see your system load
[06:40] <benjamin1254> k
[06:40] <benjamin1254>  00:40:38 up  2:52,  2 users,  load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.04
[06:41] <pax> jeez that's too much, and who's the second user?
[06:41] <benjamin1254> me
[06:41] <benjamin1254> im the only user
[06:41] <pax> are you running any servers?
[06:42] <benjamin1254> no not that i know of.. i dont know how to run ne @ all
[06:42] <pax> do you see any processes you are not running there?
[06:43] <benjamin1254> nope
[06:44] <benjamin1254> let me  ceck again
[06:45] <benjamin1254> apache2 is running alot
[06:45] <benjamin1254> like 5 times
[06:45] <pax> sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop
[06:46] <benjamin1254> should i kill apache2?
[06:46] <pax> if you are not using it, stop it not kill it
[06:46] <benjamin1254> benjamin1254@ubuntu:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/apache stop
[06:46] <benjamin1254> Password:
[06:46] <benjamin1254> sudo: /etc/init.d/apache: command not found
[06:46] <pax> sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop
[06:47] <benjamin1254> why was a web server running
[06:47] <pax> apache2 <- assumed you are using apache1.3, sorry.
[06:47] <pax> who the hell knows, you didnt have it running?
[06:47] <benjamin1254> no i dident even start it
[06:47] <benjamin1254> thats odd
[06:48] <pax> do yourself a favor, scan your ports see what's running
[06:48] <benjamin1254> how?
[06:49] <pax> sudo apt-get install nmap
[06:49] <pax> nmap localhost
[06:49] <benjamin1254> idk .. again a bit of a newbish looser... but hey i live by learning.. and do u know of ne good firewalls cuz of this issue?
[06:50] <pax> we'll get there. and it's fine to be a newb as long as you read docs and ask questions.
[06:50] <benjamin1254> iok as soon as i run the app i should scan local ports
[06:52] <benjamin1254> hey is it ok if i send the output here?
[06:52] <pax> no use some pastebin
[06:52] <pax> or #flood
[06:52] <benjamin1254> #flood?
[06:52] <pax> yes join #flood and paste there
[06:53] <benjamin1254> how bouyt i post it on my site and send u the url in a IM 
[06:54] <benjamin1254> what is PID?
[06:54] <pax> http://pastebin.com/
[06:54] <pax> Process ID
[06:58] <benjamin1254> ine more sugestions pax?
[06:58] <pax> benjamin1254: the load is still high?
[06:58] <benjamin1254> load on xorg still high 
[06:58] <pax> benjamin1254: in console type: top
[06:59] <pax> paste the first 4 lines here
[07:00] <benjamin1254> how would i pause th output?
[07:01] <pax> just paste the first 4 lines (top)
[07:02] <benjamin1254> i cant
[07:02] <pax> if you need help with top, just press 'h' 
[07:02] <benjamin1254> when i do it goes away b4 i can paste
[07:03] <pax> benjamin1254: focus, not the list just the TOP 4 lines :-)
[07:03] <pax> top - 01:03:31 up  9:51,  1 user,  load average: 0.17, 0.16, 0.14 <- this the first line
[07:04] <pax> Tasks:  97 total,   1 running,  96 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie <- second line
[07:04] <pax> Cpu(s):  1.7% us,  0.7% sy,  0.0% ni, 96.4% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  1.3% si <- third line
[07:04] <pax> just like that benjamin1254 
[07:04] <benjamin1254> op - 01:04:28 up  3:16,  2 users,  load average: 0.60, 0.86, 0.94
[07:04] <benjamin1254> Tasks:  76 total,   3 running,  73 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
[07:04] <benjamin1254> Cpu(s):  4.3% us,  2.3% sy,  0.0% ni, 93.4% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
[07:04] <benjamin1254> Mem:    256812k total,   244432k used,    12380k free,    22520k buffers
[07:04] <benjamin1254> Swap:   746980k total,     2696k used,   744284k free,   105856k cached
[07:05] <benjamin1254> xorg still the highest
[07:05] <pax> what else other than xorg?
[07:06] <benjamin1254> konsole and ksysguard
[07:06] <pax> close ksysguard
[07:06] <benjamin1254> thats all and they arent even high at all not even 1%
[07:07] <benjamin1254> kopete and konsole and how should i shutdown the other user that is up?
[07:07] <pax> your CPU is at 4.3% that's not bad, but your ram is heavily used
[07:07] <pax> other user?
[07:07] <benjamin1254> yeah i have 2 users but i am 1 user
[07:07] <benjamin1254> it says i have 2 users logged in
[07:08] <benjamin1254> i wana shut the other out
[07:08] <pax> in console type: who -a
[07:08] <benjamin1254> what u want pasted in here
[07:08] <benjamin1254> the bottum 2?
[07:09] <pax> yes
[07:09] <benjamin1254> benjamin ? :0           Aug 15 23:10   ?         10858
[07:09] <benjamin1254> benjamin ? :0           Aug 15 23:10   ?         10858
[07:09] <pax> did you use 'switch user' by any chance?
[07:10] <benjamin1254> nope
[07:10] <benjamin1254> but i can log out of it and then log backinto this one
[07:10] <pax> how many tabs you have open in konsole?
[07:10] <benjamin1254> 2
[07:11] <pax> ok close 1
[07:11] <benjamin1254> type it again
[07:11] <pax> then who -a and see how many users are there
[07:12] <benjamin1254> to make it not a pain in the toosh here u go take a look
[07:12] <benjamin1254> http://pastebin.com/337997
[07:13] <benjamin1254> u see it
[07:13] <benjamin1254> ?
[07:13] <pax> yes, I have no clue how you are logged in twice, log out then back in
[07:13] <benjamin1254> k
[07:13] <benjamin1254> ill be back in
[07:14] <pax> whatever you do do not reboot.
[07:15] <benjamin1254> ok ill log out and back in then
[07:15] <benjamin1254> be back in a sec
[07:15] <benjamin1254> do i hit end surrent session?
[07:18] <benjamin1254> k now what pax
[07:18] <benjamin1254> i dident reboot
[07:18] <benjamin1254> just ended session
[07:19] <benjamin1254> i did who -a and i wound up with basicly the same output
[07:20] <benjamin1254> but its faster this time around
[07:21] <pax> alright then
[07:23] <benjamin1254> yeah want the top output?
[07:23] <benjamin1254> i still dont know how im logged in 2x
[07:24] <pax> check your load with uptime
[07:25] <benjamin1254> uptime k
[07:25] <benjamin1254> 01:25:34 up  3:37,  2 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.19, 0.37
[07:25] <benjamin1254> thats better then the last
[07:25] <pax> good :c)
[07:27] <benjamin1254> yeah now the cpu load is much less its .3 to .5 for xorg
[07:29] <benjamin1254> what would i use if i wanted to make a website hosted on my pc?
[07:29] <phreakys> apache
[07:30] <phreakys> time for sleepysleep
[07:30] <benjamin1254> lol im srry man at least u havet been up as much as me
[07:30] <phreakys> well, its allready 20 hours
[07:30] <phreakys> im getting pretty weird
[07:30] <benjamin1254> so how do u do the action thing again i wasent here 4 that lasnight .. i was using the bathroom and u loged out man
[07:31] <phreakys> ehm
[07:31] <phreakys> action thing?
[07:31] <phreakys> splashy?
[07:31] <thoreauputic> benjamin1254:  /me does something
[07:31] <phreakys> aaah
[07:31] <phreakys> yes
[07:31] <benjamin1254> k
[07:31] <phreakys> if you want to host a website on your pc, use apache, php, mysql and tranquilizers
[07:32] <benjamin1254> tranquilizers LMFAO for the people who cant sleep nd surf at all time of the night like me
[07:33] <phreakys> :)
[07:33] <phreakys> ok, later...
[07:33] <benjamin1254> l8er man 
[07:33] <benjamin1254> lol
[07:34] <benjamin1254> im srry im getting use to the whole action thing
[08:36] <Wizzard> pls, how can I auto-enable DMA on all optical drives?
[08:53] <seaLne> Wizzard: have a look at hdparm
[08:55] <Wizzard> I checked out the help, but it did not help me
[08:57] <seaLne> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Ultra-DMA-8.html
[09:01] <Wizzard> yep, thanks, but I need to set it on every boot
[09:02] <seaLne> Wizzard: change it in /etc/default/hdparm
[09:04] <seaLne> Wizzard: or possibly youmight want to change stuff in /etc/hdparm.conf
[09:05] <Wizzard> oh, yes, it could help, thx much
[09:25] <ilba7r> anyone know where i can get engage for enlightenment DR16
[09:31] <matthew> hey everybody =)
[09:32] <matthew> i've got a silly question.
[09:32] <matthew> anyone awake?
[09:33] <bao> does someone know how to make a folder in /usr/, i cant cause the damn permission
[09:34] <bao> what about doing a account to root or login in to the account "root"
[09:34] <PieD> 1- why do you have to create a folder in /usr ?
[09:34] <PieD> 2- sudo mkdir /usr/nameofyourfolder
[09:34] <bao> theres a program that needs a folder there
[09:34] <bao> tnx!
[09:36] <matthew> i can't figure out how to install a program
[09:36] <PieD> use synaptic or kynaptic
[09:36] <matthew> ok, i've downloaded the latest version of firefox
[09:36] <matthew> but i can't figure out how to open it through kynaptic
[09:37] <PieD> you don't have to download anything manually
[09:37] <PieD> just use kynaptic, select firefox in the list
[09:38] <PieD> clic on apply
[09:38] <PieD> and that's done
[09:39] <matthew> ok, done.  but i can't seem to find it anyplace
[09:39] <PieD> alt+f2 => firefox (for instance)
[09:39] <PieD> It may appear shortly in the menu
[09:40] <matthew> alt+f2 brings up my command prompt
[09:40] <PieD> ?
[09:40] <PieD> sorry I can't help with different shortcuts :/
[09:40] <PieD> try from the menu : execute a command
[09:41] <matthew> i really just want to reinstall windows, but when i try to use my rescue disc, GRUB gives me a partition error.
[09:41] <matthew> error 17.
[09:41] <matthew> the only info i've found on it has to do with dual boot machines, and is above my head
[09:41] <PieD> grub says "error 17" ? surprising, they often give true error messages
[09:42] <matthew> yeah.  any ideas about how to resolve that, or where to find info?
[09:43] <PieD> no because I don't have any windows
[09:43] <matthew> i don't have a problem with formatting the machine and starting from scratch, i just don't know how to go about it now that kubuntu is here
[09:43] <PieD> why did you remove windows when you installed kubuntu if you need windows ?
[09:45] <matthew> well, my computer basically died.  when i revived it, i figured on a lark i would try kubuntu, since i've been meaning to see what it's all about
[09:45] <matthew> but i've found that the learning curve is a little steeper than i'd anticipated, and i don't really have the time or patience to learn it now
[09:45] <PieD> ..
[09:46] <matthew> and i don't seem to be able to restore my system from the system restore disc because of the partitioning...
[09:46] <matthew> the forementioned grub error
[09:46] <PieD> ?
[09:46] <matthew> so, i want to go back to windows, but this error 17 won't let me
[09:46] <PieD> there's something wrong in your sentences
[09:47] <PieD> you says the restore disc won't work
[09:47] <PieD> what's its relation with grub ?
[09:47] <matthew> well, when i try and do a system restore, it boots from the windows restore CD, and goes through the whole process of copying files back to the factory-installed state
[09:48] <matthew> and then restarts.  when it restarts from the hard drive, i get the grub error
[09:48] <PieD> perhaps because the rescue discs damage the partitions ?
[09:49] <matthew> perhaps.  i don't know anything about partitions.  i know windows doesn't use grub at all.
[09:54] <seaLne> the rescue disk probably completly replaces everything on the hard disk, but the bit of grub left is in the MBR
[09:55] <matthew> what can i do to fix it?
[09:56] <seaLne> boot off a dos disk and run fdisk /mbr i think 
[09:56] <seaLne> not often you want to put windows on a machine that had been upgraded to linux
[09:57] <matthew> ha, well, if i could figure out how to install anything, it would be different! =)
[09:57] <PieD> seaLne: you understand, that's hard to discover that windows isn't the rule
[09:57] <matthew> but i've been fighting with it for an hour to try and install firefox with flash
[09:57] <matthew> and i miss itunes. =)
[09:58] <seaLne> you tried amarok?
[09:58] <PieD> matthew: because you don't want to learn 
[09:58] <seaLne> use kynaptic to install software
[09:58] <matthew> i do want to learn, which is why i have the software in the first place, but this week i have things i actually need to accomplish on my computer, and i need a system i understand in order to get them done
[09:59] <seaLne> fair enough
[10:00] <matthew> i tried installing firefox through kynaptic; it looked like it worked, but it didn't show up in any menu, so i'm not sure how or where to open it
[10:00] <seaLne> try typing mozilla-firefox in the run option in KMenu
[10:01] <seaLne> i'd consider it a bug it not being added to the menus but not everything is...
[10:03] <matthew> hm, maybe some progress here
[10:03] <matthew> i tried committing the changes in kynaptic again and it's doing a bunch of stuff
[10:04] <matthew> i don't see american english as an option for firefox... i guess british english is close enough, but it seems like us should be there as well
[10:04] <PieD> isn't american english the default language ?
[10:06] <matthew> hm, i dunno.  it's not listed in kynaptic, as far as i can see
[10:13] <nikkia> matthew: the way to think of the language packs are that they ADD translations to american english
[10:13] <nikkia> matthew: ie, for american english, don't install any language packs :)
[10:14] <matthew> cool, thanks, nikkia... but how do i find firefox in default american english if i want to run it? =)
[10:14] <nikkia> matthew: you just install and run 'mozilla-firefox'
[10:15] <matthew> i'm sorry, i'm really not a nitwit on some operating systems, i swear... but i'm not sure how to do that on kubuntu!
[10:18] <nikkia> matthew, well, for a start, i wouldn't recommend kynaptic :) but find 'mozilla-firefox' in that list, and install it, thats all there is really, after that, it'll appear in the menus, or you can use alt-F2 and type 'mozilla-firefox' into the window
[10:19] <matthew> nikkia, what would you recommend instead?
[10:19] <nikkia> synaptic or aptitude
[10:19] <PieD> synaptic
[10:20] <matthew> how can i load synaptic?
[10:22] <PieD> from kynaptic, install synaptic :)
[10:22] <PieD> are there a lot of progress in the work on a new package manager for kubuntu 5.10 ?
[10:23] <matthew> hooray!!  i got firefox working!
[10:23] <matthew> thanks very much
[10:29] <matthew> i'm having troule finding java
[10:29] <matthew> it's not working in konqueror or firefox, and i don't see it in kynaptic...
[10:31] <PieD> matthew: java is a proprietary tool, so it cannot be provided with kynaptic
[10:33] <matthew> thanks pieD... presumably i can install it with synaptic?
[10:33] <PieD> no
[10:33] <PieD> synaptic and kynaptic provide the same softwares
[10:33] <matthew> ah.  how can i install it?
[10:33] <PieD> !java
[10:33] <ubotu> [java]  to install Java please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Java
[10:33] <matthew> handy!
[10:35] <Tranquitos> anybody knows how to use the Xine engine in amaroK?
[10:36] <Tranquitos> i've installed it, but it seems amaroK is not recognizing it
[10:36] <matthew> it says i have to login as the root user to run synaptic.  i thought i was logged in as the root user?
[10:37] <PieD> ??
[10:37] <PieD> on my computer, I start synaptic with alt-F2 => kdesu synaptic
[10:37] <PieD> (I don't use the K menu, it's too far from my mouse)
[10:42] <setite> whats a good app for ripping mp3s
[10:42] <PieD> setite: konqueror ?
[10:42] <paines> kaudiocreator
[10:42] <setite> kaudiocreator.. couldnt figure that out...
[10:42] <setite> got some error about creating the file
[10:42] <paines> ?
[10:43] <paines> which file ?
[10:43] <setite> the ripped file
[10:43] <setite> im trying to rip a cd and it errored
[10:43] <setite> ill do it again and tell you what it said
[10:44] <paines> setite, startup kaudiocreator, put in the cd, if the cd is orginal or burned properly, than a cddb looup should give you back to song names, the select the songs and start
[10:45] <setite> yea its ripping right now
[10:45] <setite> and it is an original
[10:45] <setite> ok the error is
[10:45] <paines> setite, did you still get an error message ?
[10:45] <setite> Cannot place file, unable to make directories
[10:46] <paines> setite, could it be that you are trying to place the ripped songs in a place where you don't have eniugh rights?
[10:46] <paines> try setting it in home
[10:46] <setite> dunno
[10:46] <setite> i think it is set in home... lemme check
[10:48] <setite> gah
[10:48] <PieD> konqueror is easier : insert the audio cd, open konqueror, go to audiocd:/
[10:48] <setite> konqueror does too much!
[10:49] <setite> haha... its scary
[10:49] <setite> i think i see what i did... checking to see if it works
[10:49] <PieD> setite: konqueror isn't doing too much
[10:49] <paines> konqueror=swiss army knife
[10:49] <setite> shit now im having a new error
[10:49] <PieD> everything is "optionnal"
[10:49] <setite> selected encoder not found
[10:50] <setite> jesus ok im gonna see what konqueror can do
[10:50] <paines> setite, apt-get ogg vorbis tools
[10:50] <setite> i want mp3
[10:50] <PieD> then install lame
[10:50] <paines> yeah
[10:50] <setite> i have it
[10:50] <setite> and libmad0
[10:50] <setite> and gstream-lame
[10:50] <setite> and i registered them
[10:51] <PieD> but konqueror doesn't know how to extract a CD into mp3 or oggs
[10:51] <PieD> it's only able to handle files in KIO
[10:52] <setite> questiopn... when i select my cd in konqueror
[10:52] <setite> what is all this stuff i see
[10:52] <PieD> and a KIO knows how to manage a filesystem, another KIO knows how to extract tracks from a CD..
[10:52] <PieD> that's virtual files
[10:52] <setite> is it konqueror stuff...
[10:52] <setite> ok good
[10:52] <setite> i was freaking
[10:52] <PieD> that's why I'm worrying when they say they want to simplify it for KDE4
[10:53] <setite> ok that one click thing needs to be removed again... thats next on my list after i figure this out
[10:53] <setite> i just opened and copied everythign in the cd when i was just tryign to right click
[10:54] <PieD> I love the single click !
[10:55] <PieD> why should we switch to double click ?
[11:02] <setite> ok hello
[11:02] <setite> i had to restart
[11:02] <setite> stupid one-click
[11:03] <setite> i disabled so im ready to try again
[11:03] <setite> so to rip with konqueror what do i do
[11:03] <setite> select the cd from storage media right
[11:03] <PieD> what's stupid with one click is that you're not used to it
[11:03] <setite> nah i got used to it... but i selected the files... but upon the right click they all opened
[11:04] <setite> thats the first time it happened
[11:04] <PieD> never had that
[11:04] <setite> and it shall be the last too
[11:04] <PieD> that's not related to single click !
[11:04] <setite> well something got screwy
[11:04] <setite> but yea thats over now
[11:06] <setite> ok what exactly do i do with these virtual folders
[11:06] <setite> i tried to copy and paste the mp3s...
[11:07] <setite> wait now thats working
[11:07] <setite> is it really that easy?
[11:08] <setite> omfg... are you serious
[11:08] <setite> ok i take back what i said abotu konqueror doing too much...
[11:08] <setite> konqueror is quite the fitting name
[11:09] <nikkia> pied, there are serious limitations on doing multiple selections, and drag and drop, with single click enabled
[11:10] <PieD> nikkia: never had a problem because of that
[11:10] <nikkia> pied, then you're 'special' i guess
[11:10] <setite> i can see why he went off about it... it is a blessing and a curse in my opinion
[11:10] <PieD> to select multiple files I never clicked on the icons
[11:10] <PieD> and for drag'n'drop, where is the problem ?
[11:11] <nikkia> pied, the best example of why single click is broken, is to try and use k3b :)
[11:12] <setite> konqueror rocks!
[11:12] <setite> thats all i know
[11:12] <setite> in the end it just ripped an mp3 by copying and pasting a virtual file... encoding in the process
[11:12] <setite> i mean what a concept
[11:12] <PieD> nikkia: I've no problem here
[11:12] <setite> has KDE been out longer than gnome
[11:12] <nikkia> setite, yeah, the audiocd:// ioslave is nice
[11:13] <nikkia> setite: off the top of my head, no, gnome would have been first, just
[11:13] <setite> yea.. dont know what that is but i agree with you :)
[11:13] <setite> is there an advantage to gnome? because im dying to find one
[11:13] <nikkia> setite, if you open audiocd:/ in konqueror, it gives you the contents of a CD as a list of rippable/encodable files, mp3, ogg, flac, etc
[11:13] <setite> from what i hear its more stable.. but thats all i see
[11:13] <nikkia> setite, you just drag the file to your HD and its ripped & encoded, or you open a file in a media player, and it rips, encodes, and plays
[11:14] <setite> nikkia yea thats what im doing... i just didnt know what the ioslave part meant exactly
[11:14] <nikkia> setite, ioslaves are a KDE system that allows plugins to be written to deal with IO in some way
[11:14] <setite> o?so on the latter part... opening in a media player... it rips and encodes that way top
[11:15] <setite> i assumed that it just tricked the program into thinking it was an mp3
[11:15] <setite> well not tricked
[11:15] <nikkia> setite, for example, the ability to access remote filesystems via sftp makes konqueror behave as kbear, since you can open a 2-pane konqueror window, and connect to a ftp or sftp host, and just drag files between the panes
[11:15] <setite> well if i just opened them directly where would they go
[11:15] <nikkia> setite, they're ripped, encoded, and played from /tmp
[11:15] <setite> damn i need a konqueror manual...
[11:16] <setite> so does konqueror have a goal?
[11:16] <setite> or is it just supposed to do everything
[11:16] <setite> the ripping thing is awesome... but it seems odd
[11:16] <nikkia> setite, most of what konqueror does, isn't done by konqueror
[11:17] <nikkia> setite, its just a side effect of how ioslaves and kparts work
[11:17] <setite> well yea i figured that it was an interface for all these things...
[11:17] <nikkia> setite, its not, not really
[11:17] <nikkia> its just these are standard KDE features that konqueror *can* use
[11:17] <setite> bleh.. your nitpicking
[11:17] <nikkia> setite, let me put it another way
[11:18] <nikkia> setite, say i'm listening to an audiocd, and someone on irc says 'i'd like to hear that', i can open the DCC dialog, and because its a kde app, the irc client can access the .mp3 virtual files via the ioslave, and dcc send a mp3 file by ripping/encoding automatically
[11:19] <nikkia> setite, or i could say 'hold on, i'll send you <some file>' but then i remember <some file> is on my machine at work, i can just use sftp within the dcc dialog to access that file
[11:20] <setite> i wonder if the konq browser can do something i cant get done on firefox
[11:20] <nikkia> setite, that'd be ?
[11:24] <setite> i cant listen to xmradio online
[11:24] <setite> wmp9 plugin wont work
[11:24] <setite> i have the w32codecs package
[11:24] <setite> and i downloaded some other random stuff trying to work it too
[11:26] <nikkia> setite, best chance would be the mplayer plugin for firefox
[11:26] <nikkia> but there's a fair chance it won't work
[11:26] <nikkia> setite, does it work within firefox on windows ?
[11:26] <nikkia> or is it IE only ?
[11:34] <setite> nikkia you there?
[11:34] <setite> i got dc'd
[11:34] <nikkia> yes
[11:35] <setite> stupid EVDO card... i dont even know for a while when my connection is nixxed
[11:35] <setite> last thing i heard you say was what was my firefox issue
[11:35] <setite> http://xmradio.com/xstream/
[11:35] <setite> i cant even get to that in konqueror
[11:35] <thoreauputic> nikkia: just out of curiosity - why do we never see you in #ubuntu? You would be a valuablr contributor, it seems to me ...
[11:36] <thoreauputic> *valuable
[11:36] <setite> in firefox i can log into the radio thing... but when i attempt to tune to a station i get a plugin error... and i get sent to windows.com
[11:36] <setite> shhh thoreauputic .. i get him to myself in here
[11:36] <setite> hehe
[11:36] <nikkia> setite, him?
[11:36] <setite> yea i thought i used to see him in ubuntu
[11:36] <thoreauputic> setite: she, methinks
[11:37] <thoreauputic> setite:  /whois nikkia  ;)
[11:37] <setite> forgive me... didnt think your gender was important...
[11:38] <thoreauputic> setite: well, not from an expertise viewpoint at least
[11:38] <setite> precisely my point
[11:38] <setite> well it looks like konqueror falls short of firefox.. which also falls short of what i need it to do
[11:39] <thoreauputic> nikkia: do you have an answer for my question? Feel free to ignore it if you prefer :)
[11:39] <nikkia> thoreauputic: which question ?
[11:39] <thoreauputic> c nikkia: just out of curiosity - why do we never see you in #ubuntu? You would be a valuable contributor,
[11:40] <thoreauputic> etc
[11:40] <nikkia> ah, i started to write a response, then didn't hit enter :P
[11:40] <thoreauputic> ah
[11:40] <nikkia> thoreauputic: i used to hang out there, but i couldn't keep up with both channels at the same time
[11:40] <thoreauputic> nikkia: fair enough
[11:41] <setite> so is there hope to get my windows media player plugin working in FF?
[11:41] <setite> i would assume yes since it works on windoze... but then again maybe not
[11:42] <nikkia> setite, mplayer-plugin is your best bet
[11:43] <setite> firefox can use that?
[11:43] <nikkia> yes
[11:43] <setite> didnt know that.. thanks
[11:44] <setite> nicola? what is that
[11:45] <setite> hmmm i have mplayer plugin it seems
[11:51] <setite> hey nikkia
[11:51] <nikkia> yes?
[11:51] <setite> im having more success with konqueror than ff but still im having a hangup
[11:51] <setite> it doenst load the channel list... but when i type in the cahnnel it loads the track info
[11:51] <setite> so the wmp9 is working
[11:52] <setite> but im hearing nothing... any ideas?
[11:52] <setite> i get that... some apps have sound some dont
[11:52] <nikkia> setite,  you probably need to configure dmix, OR tell mplayer to play via arts
[11:53] <setite> kmix?
[11:53] <nikkia> no, dmix
[11:53] <nikkia> its an alsa feature that lets multiple programs play sound at the same time
[11:53] <nikkia> but try configuring mplayer first
[11:53] <setite> ok...
[11:54] <nikkia> create ~/.mplayer/config (you might need to make the .mplayer directory in your home directory first) and put in it the line 'ao=arts' i think it is
[11:54] <nikkia> actually, just do mplayer -ao help   and see what output methods it lists, first
[11:55] <setite> in terminal>?
[11:55] <nikkia> yes
[11:55] <setite> not working
[11:55] <setite> bash bla command not found
[11:57] <nikkia> hmmm, anyone else with mplayer installed can list the output methods ?
[11:57] <nikkia> i can't remember if its arts, artsd, or artsc :)
[12:03] <nikkia> setite: just try putting 'ao=' for each of those 3 choices then, and after saving the file, try playing back a media file in firefox
[12:05] <nikkia> (you need to restart firefox each time, so i'd suggest putting a mpg in /tmp or something and opening file://tmp/blah.mpg or something)
[12:05] <Yannick_R> Hello
[12:08] <Yannick_R> I'm having some troubles, since I started my computer this morning, in the kde programs (konqueror, kopete, ..) when I type special french fonts it displays 2 squares symbol
[12:08] <Yannick_R> somebody knows where I could find some info to fix this ?
[12:09] <Yannick_R> in no-kde programs it works (firefox)
[12:11] <nikkia> f'ing woo!
[12:11] <nikkia> my new DVD+RW drive does dual layer -R
[12:12] <Yannick_R> looks like the problem comes from .fonts.conf
[12:21] <haplo> hola
[12:29] <nikkia> bbiab, have to install this new drive
[12:43] <verden01> hey
[01:08] <blackfire> Ok magic question: anybody has managed to make a wireless card run under amd64? :P
[01:58] <McScruff> lo
[01:59] <McScruff> installed kde 3.4.2 and now m having trouble setting up samba
[02:01] <BjoernVDM> Samba server, or client?
[02:08] <McScruff> server
[02:10] <Wizzard> hi, does anybody know how to set hdparm.conf? I tried to edit it, but it never sets both optical drives... one of them cannotbe found
[02:12] <BjoernVDM> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-16360.html <-- read this, Wizzard ?
[02:19] <BjoernVDM> What is that, Nikkia?
[02:19] <nikkia> BjoernVDM: dual layer DVD-R discs
[02:19] <nikkia> my new burner supports  them
[02:19] <BjoernVDM> k
[02:19] <nikkia> but they're a little thin on the ground for finding media (most dual layer media is DVD+R)
[02:20] <BjoernVDM> Heh. 40 Euros for ONE.
[02:21] <BjoernVDM> How can that be worth it, I wonder.
[02:21] <nikkia> BjoernVDM: has to be a typo
[02:21] <nikkia> i found a place selling them for 4/each
[02:21] <BjoernVDM> Oh, no, actually 40 for 5.
[02:21] <nikkia> but i'm sure i can get cheaper than that, DL +R is down to 1/each if you shop around
[02:21] <nikkia> that sounds more 'reasonable'
[02:21] <BjoernVDM> Yup.
[02:31] <Chefen> :p
[02:31] <Chefen> :P
[02:31] <Chefen> nn Svensk eller ?
[02:49] <phreakys> hi
[02:49] <phreakys> is there a way that kde can warn me before im about to delete something from desktop?
[02:58] <bufalo73> hello
[02:58] <bufalo73> after my last apt-get upgrade I've lost all my icons
[02:58] <bufalo73> not only on my user
[02:58] <bufalo73> has anybody this problem?
[03:04] <CellarDoor> hi folks
[03:04] <CellarDoor> I have a question about using Kpackage in Kubuntu
[03:06] <CellarDoor> When I wan't to install something with Kpackage it asks for my root (su) password and won't accept my sudo password. Is there any way around this other than using kynaptic or simply opening a terminal ?
[03:07] <CellarDoor> hello ?
[03:08] <CellarDoor> I kinda like Kpackage and it would be nice to be able to install things with it rather than just looking at stuff and using something else to install things
[03:08] <nxv_> hi, i have the problem to hear my mic on my own speakers, results in a feedback if input to the mic is too loud. the green switch of the mic is disabled in kmix
[03:09] <CellarDoor> nxv_ hi, have you tried enabling the green switch and turning the volume up for it ?
[03:10] <nxv_> CellarDoor: the mic is in the input section. only one bar. at the top the green button at the bottom red button
[03:11] <nxv_> CellarDoor: can't controll them separatly. thought green enables playback, red record
[03:12] <CellarDoor> ah hmm
[03:13] <nxv_> the mic buttons don't seam to have an influence, even if i disable both mic is still active
[03:13] <nxv_> only when disabling red capture button mic is of
[03:13] <CellarDoor> I'm just looking at mine
[03:14] <CellarDoor> It might cause feedback if your mic is too close to speakers
[03:14] <nxv_> i guess i shouldn't get an output of my mic, i want it record only. no playback
[03:15] <CellarDoor> I've never had any issues with it
[03:15] <nxv_> do u hear something if u blow into ur mic?
[03:15] <CellarDoor> mine's turned all the way up with green and red on
[03:15] <CellarDoor> yes 
[03:15] <nxv_> and if disable green switch?
[03:16] <CellarDoor> no sound if green is disabled
[03:16] <nxv_> i'd like the same behaviour, but it ignores my kmix mic settings
[03:16] <CellarDoor> hmm
[03:16] <nxv_> kmix->input->mic
[03:17] <CellarDoor> does your mic have its own volume ? Speakers vol turned up ?
[03:17] <nxv_> i can disable any button, change volume no change
[03:17] <CellarDoor> yeah I have sound no problems
[03:18] <nxv_> when i change the capture volume it has an influence
[03:18] <nxv_> if i select mic2 in switches it is entirly disabled
[03:18] <CellarDoor> perhaps something else is turned on that might be disabling it ?
[03:18] <nxv_> i can get it to work
[03:18] <nxv_> but not controll its playback
[03:19] <CellarDoor> what do you mean by playback ?
[03:19] <nxv_> wether it works with feedback or it doesn't do anything
[03:19] <nxv_> playback= hearing the input of my own mic
[03:19] <CellarDoor> you recording and not getting sound ?
[03:20] <nxv_> CellarDoor: i can't do rec only. recording sound without hearing my self on the speaker
[03:20] <CellarDoor> well I can tell you what all my settings are on if you like ?
[03:20] <nxv_> u said u have two controll bars for ur mic
[03:20] <nxv_> right?
[03:21] <CellarDoor> In the Output section all my settings are on and all the way up or almost all the way up
[03:23] <CellarDoor> In Input: Line is currently off, CD green is on all the way up without red on, Mic green and red on with slider all the way up, Phone and AUX are off, Capture is on and almost all the way up.
[03:23] <nxv_> shack.us/my.php?image=snapshot35qv.png
[03:24] <nxv_> http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/5422/snapshot35qv.png
[03:24] <nikkia> CellarDoor: i fail to understand why you want sound from the speakers of the mic input
[03:24] <nikkia> CellarDoor: its going to feedback whatever you do for two reasons
[03:24] <CellarDoor> nikkia, I'm not the one with the problem
[03:24] <nxv_> http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/3582/snapshot42rw.png
[03:24] <nxv_> http://img331.imageshack.us/img331/2678/snapshot51dl.png
[03:25] <nikkia> a) its obviously an omni-directional mic, b) having the mic on the speakers loud enough to hear over your own voice is going to be loud enough to feedback :)
[03:25] <CellarDoor> though mine is outputting sound and not feeding back
[03:25] <nxv_> that's what it looks like here
[03:25] <nxv_> nikkia: i wan't to turn off my mics playback, but can't get it done
[03:25] <nikkia> nxv, use alsamixer
[03:26] <nikkia> nxv, in playback, set the mic volume to 0, then press TAB to go to recording, and set mic as the capture device, and move the capture fader to about 50-75% (any higher and it'll probably distort)
[03:26] <CellarDoor> ah
[03:27] <CellarDoor> gotta go anyway
[03:27] <CellarDoor> cyas
[03:27] <CellarDoor> oh
[03:27] <CellarDoor> before I go
[03:27] <nikkia> alsa doesn't provide seperate recording/playback controls for the mic, on most cards, kmix just lies and sets the playback level
[03:28] <CellarDoor> nikkia do you know if I can use Kpackage using my sudo password ? It doesn't accept it, asks for su password.
[03:28] <nikkia> you have to remember, that when kmix was written, it was written against OSS, and it did things a little differently
[03:28] <nikkia> CellarDoor: no idea, haven't really used kpackage
[03:28] <CellarDoor> ah ok then
[03:29] <CellarDoor> bye all
[03:30] <nxv_> nikkia: doesn't help, i see it disabled in alsamixer(gui) (tried both)
[03:30] <nxv_> but still hear it
[03:30] <nxv_> if i disable mic boost, i don't here it anymore, but i guess it is just too silent
[03:31] <nikkia> hmmm, looks like 4.85 is about as cheap as i can get DL DVD-R discs :/
[03:41] <phreakys> im trying to copy large amounts of files from cd, but its so...slow
[03:41] <phreakys> is there a way to make it faster?
[03:43] <thoreauputic> phreakys: do you have dma enabled for the CD drive?
[03:56] <Wizzard> it is possible to have some package marked as local or absolete when there is the same package version available in the repository?
[03:59] <nxv_> does kweather work 4 u?
[04:16] <jjesse> morning
[04:26] <nikkia> apokryphos!
[04:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: heyhey
[04:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: you know the other day i was saying there were no DVD-R Dual Layer burners, apart from pioneer's ?
[04:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: my brand new drive has on the box 'Supports Dual-Layer +R and -R at 16x!!' :)
[04:27] <apokryphos> woah
[04:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: and you've had that for long?
[04:27] <nikkia> erm, at 4x, rather
[04:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: came today
[04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: LiteOn 16x burner
[04:28] <apokryphos> Heh, and you casually missed that on the description? ;-)
[04:28] <nikkia> replaces my 12x LG
[04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: i honestly didn't look at the description
[04:28] <apokryphos> How much was it?
[04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wanted a LiteOn DVD-R, and it was the only one they sold
[04:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: 25 ? something like that
[04:28] <apokryphos> :-O
[04:28] <sproingie> i'm sure mine is dual layer
[04:28] <sproingie> probably the same brand, LiteOn
[04:29] <nikkia> sproingie: on +R or +R AND -R ?
[04:29] <nikkia> sproingie: -R Dual layer has been somewhat of a mystery until recently
[04:29] <nikkia> pioneer announced support like 18 months ago, and discs were available straight away...
[04:29] <sproingie> nikkia heck if i know.  i never see dual layer media selling for cheap
[04:29] <nikkia> but the drives to support it haven't appeared until the last couple of months
[04:29] <sproingie> i buy mine when it's on sale
[04:29] <apokryphos> That's one thing I both love and hate about computer things -- prices are *guaranteed* to go low
[04:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: i wish -R DL discs would go low :/
[04:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: they're 4.50ish compared to 1ish for +R DL
[04:30] <apokryphos> nikkia: hopefully this Saturday I'll have my new comp! Heh. Results anounced on Thursday, eek
[04:30] <sproingie> dl might never really catch if blu-ray burners come out next year
[04:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats what the rest of the order that came this morning was, a PC for my SO (sick of waiting for my boss to get my those two shuttles, so i'll take one as a music workstation when they arrive)
[04:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: 120 for a Sempron 2600, not bad
[04:31] <apokryphos> not bad at all
[04:31] <nikkia> (thats full system minus drives)
[04:31] <apokryphos> heh
[04:31] <nikkia> and a 80GB maxtor was only 30
[04:32] <apokryphos> Re: your boss... you just gotta keep dropping subtle hints :P
[04:32] <nikkia> so i bought a 80GB maxtor, and a new DVD-R for me, the SO's PC gets the old LG DVD-R thats a touch annoying :)
[04:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have, problem is, his reason for not ordering them yet is valid :/
[04:32] <apokryphos> 30? Wow, they're really shooting down. Hoping for a 200GB or so... wonder how much they'll cost
[04:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: he needds to order 8 PCs total, 2 for me, and 6 for our products
[04:33] <nikkia> unfortunately, the supplier wants more for the shipping for 8 PCs than the cost of the 8 PCs
[04:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: i've seen 200GB SATA for around 60
[04:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: and i stole the SATA cables from this new PC :P
[04:34] <nikkia> it only has a single PATA drive, so it has no need at all for the 2 SATA cables and 2 molex->SATA power adapters :P
[04:34] <apokryphos> More for the shipping? Is he serious? :|
[04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: spanish company :/
[04:34] <_dennis> hey folks
[04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: they sell us a shuttle-X for around 100
[04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats with a Sempron 2800
[04:34] <apokryphos> I've forgotten all the names for the HDs :(. Last time I went computer market though the guy was telling me about new type of hard-drive...or perhaps not so new; but faster.
[04:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: unfortunately, because they're spanish, they charge around 95 for shipping :/
[04:34] <apokryphos> I imagine they'll be more. Really gotta brush up on my terminology here ;-)
[04:35] <seaLne> nikkia: couldn't you fly there and get them for less? :)
[04:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats 100 for a Sempron 2800, 1GB ram, 60GB HDD, DVD-R
[04:35] <_dennis> hmm, why does resuming my thinkpad r50p works after i suspended it using /etc/acpi/sleep.sh, but not after i suspended it by closing the lid? (in the latter case the thinkpad is alive, but the display stays black)
[04:35] <nikkia> seaLne: i imagine that is the 'alternative shipping arrangement' he's arranging :P
[04:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: we also buy 23" LCDs from them for 150
[04:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: there's gotta be something illegal there ;-)
[04:36] <apokryphos> 23" -- only something I can dream about
[04:36] <_dennis> and another question: why does the "Network Settings" widget of my control center just says "Loading ..." after i clicked "Administrator Mode"?
[04:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: they have direct business accounts with Samsung and Shuttle
[04:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: i have one sat here, collecting dust :O
[04:36] <apokryphos> _dennis: known bug; you can either (i) upgrade to kde 3.4.2 (should be fixed there); or (ii) kdesu kcontrol
[04:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: I wanted to go for a 19" this time but not sure at all anymore
[04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: i stuck with 17
[04:37] <_dennis> apokryphos: i did a dist-upgrade yesterday. shouldn't i be running 3.4.2 now?
[04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: the refresh is generally better, IME
[04:37] <apokryphos> nikkia: a few pals in #kde telling me that there's no point, as resolution is still stuck at 1024 :|
[04:37] <nikkia> apokryphos: this is a 4mS refresh, 17", with portrait/landscape swivel, cost me 140-some
[04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, i couldn't find a 19 with > 1280x1024
[04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: and whats the point in having 'slightly bigger pixels' ?
[04:38] <dennis-> oops
[04:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: I like the monitor we have now. Samsung SyncMaster 17", we got it really quite long ago, though, and for cheap ;-)
[04:38] <dennis-> apokryphos: did you say anything after i left? :)
[04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: if i could have found a 19 with 1600x1200 and decent refresh, at a reasonable price, i might have gone with 19
[04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: i won't touch CRT again for monitors
[04:38] <apokryphos> nikkia: can you, though?
[04:38] <nikkia> apokryphos: probably not for TV either
[04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, i couldn't find one
[04:39] <apokryphos> dennis-: you need to get the 3.4.2 repository
[04:39] <apokryphos> !kde342
[04:39] <ubotu> [kde342]  at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[04:39] <dennis-> apokryphos: ah, thx!
[04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: there are a few high end 19" LCDs with 1600x1280, but they're slow and expensive
[04:39] <apokryphos> nikkia: that's the reason it's not worth going for... most 20" do it though, no?
[04:39] <apokryphos> But prices shoot up after 19 :(
[04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah, but again, slow refresh rates
[04:39] <nikkia> apokryphos: you're into 25mS+ with 20", ok for 'work' but lousy for gaming
[04:39] <apokryphos> Slow? 75Hz around
[04:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats the interface rate, you need to look at the refresh rate
[04:40] <apokryphos> :-O
[04:40] <apokryphos> what are the disadvantages of a low refresh rate? (I really always thought the Hz was refresh rate... are you sure it isn't? My krandrtray says it is :|)
[04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: LCD elements take a finite time to switch, so the slower the LCD refresh, the more chance of blurry/traily games
[04:41] <nikkia> apokryphos: you're on CRT, its much more complicated on LCD :)
[04:42] <nikkia> unless that syncmaster is one of the LCD's that samsung called 'syncmaster' (damn them and their product name overloading)
[04:42] <apokryphos> It's flat TFT, but not LCD I don't think, no.
[04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: basically, if your pixels take 25mS to switch, which is what you're talking about on 20"+ LCDs, then your effective refresh rate is 40 frames per second, display movement any faster than that, and its going to ghost/blur/trail
[04:43] <nikkia> apokryphos: the monitor electronics may be rated for 75Hz VGA, but it still takes 1/40th of a second for the pixels to change colour
[04:43] <apokryphos> Noticeably? :S 
[04:44] <apokryphos> I've played games before on a 23" (not LCD/TFT) and it was really sweet there at least
[04:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: if you were playing a game on a 25mS refresh LCD, yes, very noticable
[04:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: do those Spanish people have a site? :P
[04:45] <nikkia> modern LCD/TFTs switch at about 4-12mS, depending on brand, so thats 1/250th to 1/80th of a second for the pixels to switch
[04:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, they're not a computer retailer, they're a strategic partner of ours
[04:46] <apokryphos> heh
[04:46] <nikkia> apokryphos: they make video entertainment cabinets using shuttle-X/23" panels
[04:46] <apokryphos> =)
[04:46] <apokryphos> Nice stuff
[04:46] <nikkia> we resell the same cabs in the UK, and thus buy hardware related to those from them
[04:47] <apokryphos> For the ugliest possible picture of my current monitor: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/product_zoom.jsp?eUser=&largeImage=/images/prod/product03/b2c_l_171s-silver.jpg&prod_id=GH17LSASJ
[04:47] <sproingie> yeah that really shows it off
[04:48] <apokryphos> I don't know how they got it to look so ugly; must have taken some effort
[04:48] <phreakys> im copying 20000 files from a cd, but its taking more than 2 hours allready
[04:48] <phreakys> how can i speed up the reader?
[04:48] <apokryphos> slightly better: http://www.clubic.com/photo/00028895.jpg
[04:48] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, sorry, mine is 8ms, not 4
[04:49] <nikkia> http://www.acer.co.uk/acereuro/page4.do?dau22.oid=9540&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=17&ctx1=UK&crc=1842436415
[04:49] <apokryphos> ooOOoo
[04:49] <nikkia> apokryphos: still, it was only 140, and it has DVI, and a 'not quite so sucky refresh' which is what i wanted :)
[04:49] <apokryphos> nikkia: do you think I'll see a disadvantage anywhere else but in games?
[04:50] <nikkia> the portrait/landscape pivot was just gravy (its just a case of VESA mounting one on a pivot anyway, even if a LCD doesn't support it directly)
[04:50] <apokryphos> I don't play them, so hasn't yet hit me :P
[04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: what is the rate on yours ?
[04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: i tried searching for that model number, but couldn't find one
[04:50] <apokryphos> nikkia: no, on a new one, if I get a 20" or so
[04:50] <nikkia> apokryphos: oh, i dunno, people are annoyed/not-annoyed individually
[04:50] <apokryphos> Monitor details: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/nabc/product/b2c_product_detail.jsp?prod_id=GH17LSASJ
[04:51] <nikkia> when i had an old LCD with 25mS refresh, i found it unbearable on FPS, but bearable on other stuff
[04:51] <apokryphos> I'm sure I'll ask to properly see the monitor in action, anyhow, before getting it
[04:51] <apokryphos> We got that Monitor though when it was still 700 in PCWorld ;-)
[04:51] <apokryphos> 260 I think we got it for, as I recall. Were very proud of it :P
[04:52] <nikkia> apokryphos: that one IS 25mS
[04:52] <apokryphos> cool :)
[04:54] <nikkia> apokryphos: you also have to bear in mind 'how good' your PC is that is driving it :)
[04:54] <apokryphos> nikkia: if it's unbelievably amazing? ;-)
[04:54] <nikkia> if you're playing doom3 and your PC only manages 25fps, you're not going to notice the 25mS (40fps) ghosting :)
[04:55] <apokryphos> I don't really play comp games; I guess I might play a bit on the LAN in Uni (I predict), but in general -- haven't played a game on here for months
[04:55] <nikkia> apokryphos: this is for use at uni ?
[04:55] <apokryphos> What's most shocking was that King's (in their main halls) didn't have ethernet ports in the rooms :|
[04:56] <nikkia> apokryphos: in that case, my advice would be to spend a little less on the monitor and spend some on a decent VESA arm
[04:56] <apokryphos> They tried to reassure me by saying "There's loads of computer rooms around....", erm.. yeah.
[04:56] <apokryphos> nikkia: Uni, yup. VESA arm?
[04:56] <nikkia> that way, when you need to use your desk for non-computer work, you can just move the  monitor out of the way
[04:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: (almost) all monitors have a VESA 100mm/75mm mounting port on the back
[04:57] <apokryphos> ohh, those
[04:57] <nikkia> apokryphos: you can usually remove the base completely, and put it on any VESA 100/75 compatible mounting system, a decent arm will hold the monitor over the desk but allow you to swing it out of the way when you're not using it
[04:57] <apokryphos> They're nice, but not sure how much more it would cost. TFTs don't take up much room at all anyway, so wouldn't consider it a huge issue atm
[04:58] <nikkia> apokryphos: a cheap arm is about 25
[04:58] <nikkia> a decent arm is about 100
[04:58] <apokryphos> oh wait, I see, they're generic. I thought only particular monitors would have them
[04:58] <nikkia> no, thats the point
[04:58] <apokryphos> nice :). Yeah, I'll look out for one of those.
[04:59] <nikkia> you buy whichever VESA mount you want (wall, desk, just a better base stand, whatever)
[04:59] <apokryphos> nikkia: Thanks for the tip :)
[05:00] <nikkia> http://www.wedgwood-group.com/lcd_monitor_desk_stands.htm 
[05:00] <apokryphos> pretty affordable on ebay by the looks of things
[05:00] <apokryphos> up to 235! Heh.
[05:00] <nikkia> apokryphos: why doesn't it surprise me that that one is a Sony
[05:01] <nikkia> its like, affordable...affordable...affordable....sony
[05:01] <nikkia> and i bet it falls apart after 3 months :P
[05:01] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:01] <apokryphos> really affordable: http://search.ebay.co.uk/vesa-arm_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8 :P
[05:01] <nikkia> those are mostly wall mounts
[05:02] <apokryphos> bad idea?
[05:02] <nikkia> i can't see the uni being too happy about you drilling holes in the halls wall, no
[05:02] <apokryphos> No problem, I'll use my charm 8)
[05:02] <apokryphos> Bond, James Bond.
[05:03] <nikkia> in fact, when i was at uni, such 'structural damage' was generally terms for expulsion (from the halls, not uni)
[05:03] <apokryphos> Well, I shouldn't be counting my chickens -- possibily that I won't get the grades. :|
[05:03] <apokryphos> eek
[05:03] <nikkia> the one desk mounting arm on that ebay page, i THINK is the one i've seen for 25 if you shop around
[05:03] <nikkia> ebay isn't always cheap :/
[05:04] <nikkia> the place i bought my bass amp modeller from annoyed me with that
[05:04] <nikkia> they have an ebay shop, i was JUST about to order from it, when i thought 'lets check their real mail order shop'
[05:04] <nikkia> 10 cheaper!
[05:04] <apokryphos> hah!
[05:05] <apokryphos> Deskmount doesn't look too bad, the one there. Hardly the best make, but looks like it would do the job
[05:05] <nikkia> my only concern with that, is you can't tell how it mounts to the desk
[05:05] <nikkia> what you want, is a simple G clamp desk mount
[05:06] <apokryphos> Might need ot check out some reviews on it
[05:06] <nikkia> that one MAY still require drilling thru the desk
[05:06] <nikkia> avoid suction cup ones, obviously :)
[05:06] <apokryphos> heh
[05:06] <seaLne> heh
[05:06] <nikkia> last thing you want is to be awoken at night by 'swuuuuuuuuu CRASH'
[05:06] <seaLne> especially if your bed is next to the desk
[05:07] <nikkia> seaLne: it will be, in uni halls
[05:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: they're not going to take nicely to drilling on the table, neither, really, are they? What other options are there other than a weighted one, I guess
[05:07] <nikkia> seaLne: you usually get, at best, a 10x15' room
[05:07] <nikkia> apok, G clamp
[05:07] <nikkia> apokryphos: thats what you want....
[05:07] <apokryphos> nikkia: hoping not to stay in halls, but in "appartments". Advantages: ethernet sockets (can't really go to Uni without one), and en suite
[05:08] <nikkia> the clamp goes over and around the edge of the desk, and tightens with a screw underneath
[05:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: their idea of "appartments", though (funnily enough), is quite a good definition of halls. Around 500 people in one building
[05:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: so, a 10x12' room, with a 10x3' bathroom :P
[05:08] <apokryphos> Ohh, I remember that type of thing from Technology lessons. Indeed, that would work.
[05:09] <apokryphos> nikkia: sure :P. En Suite is worth getting definitely, say my sisters and parents, though how bad could it be to share a shower ;-)
[05:09] <apokryphos> I guess it's easier for boys, but I'd obv. prefer my own. Still.
[05:09] <nikkia> apokryphos: i rented a house for (2.5+0.5)/4 of my years at uni
[05:09] <apokryphos> Second change is intercollegiate halls, which is Catered :O
[05:09] <seaLne> i think i'd prefer the extra room, normally there are cleaners cleaning the showers everyday so as long as your early you'll be fine
[05:10] <nikkia> seaLne: *nod* the bathrooms on our floor at uni in halls were HUGE too
[05:10] <apokryphos> seaLne: the showers I saw in Uni were really mashed... and this was on their Open day :O
[05:10] <nikkia> about 2x the size of a hall room each, and we had 2 bathrooms per floor
[05:10] <apokryphos> hah
[05:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: Mind you, I didn't even visit King's, or the halls/appartments :|. Didn't consider the place an actual option
[05:10] <nikkia> of course, being in a private house was better...
[05:10] <apokryphos> Funny how things turn out
[05:11] <seaLne> i stayed in halls for 2 years with shared toilets/showers and it was fine, weekend before last i was at the ukuug conference and the rooms were similar to what i used to have but with an ensuite inside...
[05:11] <apokryphos> nikkia: was it with many others?
[05:11] <nikkia> except when we got the psycho housemate :/
[05:11] <apokryphos> seaLne: yeah, I'd much rather have the extra money than En Suite, but I can't not have an ethernet socket ;-)
[05:12] <seaLne> just live in the labs it didn't do me any harm :)
[05:12] <apokryphos> I always think sharing a room at Uni is such a gamble, eventually put down that "I'd prefer not to". So much cheaper to, though.
[05:12] <nikkia> apokryphos: first year in rented (2nd year at uni) it was with 2 other girls, then 12 months with a male friend, then 3 months with male friend + male psycho, then moved to private rented flat
[05:12] <seaLne> i even got a job working in the labs :)
[05:12] <nikkia> plus i moved back for 3 months after that, but then the landlord wanted to sell the house, so moved to halls after 3 months
[05:12] <wincide> hi, do someone use opelzaslo ?? i have some problems that can't resolve :S
[05:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: psycho? Sounds like a lot of fun :P
[05:13] <apokryphos> seaLne: nice :)
[05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, not really, he really was a psycho, i mean, medically
[05:13] <apokryphos> :S
[05:13] <apokryphos> nikkia: what were you doing living with him? :|
[05:13] <nikkia> apokryphos: i ended up in a fight with him, and smashed his head in with a 6" steel padlock
[05:13] <nikkia> he still has the scar, i'm told
[05:14] <seaLne> wincide: err what is opelzaslo google dosen't know either
[05:15] <apokryphos> nikkia: so you weren't friends before that ended up living together? 
[05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: his mum would come and sit and watch TV in the house, because she couldn't afford a TV... after a month or two, she came to the conclusion it was her TV, and wouldn't let anyone else watch it
[05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: his sister would visit him on wednesdays, when they let her out of the asylum
[05:15] <wincide> seaLne: google doesn't know why my i can't see my projects run.. :\ tomcat and java sdk are correctly installed
[05:15] <apokryphos> eeeeek
[05:15] <nmorse> What's the best way to actually configure your wireless card after setting up ndiswrapper?
[05:15] <nikkia> apokryphos: we needed a 3rd person to make up the rent, and he was a friend of a friend
[05:16] <apokryphos> nikkia: isn't a steel padlock a little...er.. extreme still? :S
[05:16] <nikkia> apokryphos: given that he was punching me in the face at the time, no
[05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: never punch someone in the face while they're trying to unlock the padlock to get into their room
[05:17] <apokryphos> geez, you had it bad :(
[05:17] <nikkia> chances are, once they succeed, they have a lump of about 1lb of steel in their hand :P
[05:17] <apokryphos> sounds like he got what he deserved, then; hitting a lady in the face :Z
[05:17] <nikkia> apokryphos: do you know what this fight was over?
[05:17] <apokryphos> Who should've done the dishes
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: it is so insanely trivial, that you'll find it amazing...
[05:18] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, sillier than that.... we didn't have phone service for the house, noone wanted to pay BT...
[05:18] <apokryphos> nikkia: but that's what happens when there's persistent hostility with people who are really close to eachother
[05:19] <apokryphos> I can understand it, to an extent. I used to be on *really* bad terms with my brother, and for a couple of months we'd fight *everyday*, without fail. Anything at all would make us kick off
[05:19] <nikkia> but, BT being BT, they had only disconnected OUTGOING calls, and you were still supposed to rent a phone from BT at the time, so i brought the one i had at my parents home for my bedroom with me, i said i needed to take it home with me over christmas, and he somehow viewed that as me saying he used the phone too much
[05:19] <nikkia> apokryphos: so, he figured he would physically assault me because i was questioning his phone usage
[05:19] <apokryphos> If people can't reason, any meaningful communication breaks down
[05:20] <seaLne> anyone here use the bittorrent trackers for (k)ubuntu install media? i've had problems since friday
[05:20] <apokryphos> nikkia: sounds like a grade A idiot. Will remember to properly know someone before moving in with them
[05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: as i said, he was a psycho
[05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: and he rarely took his meds
[05:21] <bert_db> does anyone know how i can load my wlan at boottime?
[05:21] <nmorse> Are there any KDE programs for configuring wireless cards?
[05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: for 'fun' he'd go out, get drunk, and start fights with the biggest looking person in the pub
[05:21] <apokryphos> nikkia: how did he manage to be a friend of a friend? :S
[05:21] <seaLne> nmorse: kwifimanager
[05:21] <nikkia> apokryphos: *shrug*
[05:22] <apokryphos> nikkia: doesn't sound like his true colours were confined to the house
[05:22] <nikkia> apokryphos: the common friend was a sane individual
[05:22] <nikkia> although ceased to be a friend after the incident
[05:22] <nmorse> Thanks, seaLne 
[05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: you'll discover that uni is full of strange people like that :/
[05:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: how long were you with him? 
[05:23] <apokryphos> at least he wasn't a boyfriend :|
[05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: sharing the house? 3 months
[05:23] <apokryphos> nikkia: good times apart from that?
[05:23] <bert_db> can someone tell me how to load my wlan at boottime plz?
[05:23] <nikkia> apokryphos: i moved out the next day, and when i returned after christmas break, i rented a flat for 50/mo
[05:23] <regeya> hooray, physical assault
[05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: rent increase of 400%, but it was worth it
[05:24] <apokryphos> nikkia: your other friend carried on living with him?
[05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: no, it was obvious from day 1 that he was a bit 'f'ed in the head'
[05:24] <nikkia> apokryphos: over time, it became more and more apparent that he was going to be a problem at some point
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: the padlock on my door was only there because 2 weeks earlier he'd broken into my room and destroyed some of my clothes while drunk
[05:25] <nmorse> Dadgummit, now I need to figure out how to enable the radio on the wireless card
[05:25] <nikkia> apokryphos: the friend bore with him, but hated every minute of it, when the year ended, he asked if i wanted to move back, and told the landlord to NOT renew the other guy's contract
[05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: psycho indeed
[05:26] <apokryphos> nikkia: seen him often since?
[05:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: no
[05:26] <nikkia> apokryphos: last time i saw him, was while running the other way...
[05:27] <apokryphos> oh
[05:27] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was a few months after he'd left the house, and i'd moved back in, and we had the bailiffs turn up - turns out this guy had defrauded lloyds by 60,000 ...
[05:27] <apokryphos> nikkia: was University good apart from those three months (that's what I meant before, but nevermind :P)
[05:27] <nikkia> so we told them his parent's address where they could find him
[05:27] <apokryphos> 60,000! Yeouch.
[05:27] <nikkia> he didn't look very happy when i saw him next, so i ran away rather rapidly :)
[05:27] <apokryphos> good going :)
[05:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: he had taken a loan for 60,000 to buy a motorbike (a harley), and had run off from where he had been renting, without telling lloyds
[05:28] <nikkia> apokryphos: this had been 5 years or so before he went to uni, but obviously they'd caught up with him :)
[05:29] <apokryphos> nikkia: did he have to do time/
[05:29] <nikkia> and i dunno, uni was a mixture of good times and bad times, i'd have to say the bad times probably outweighed the good, but thats mostly because i was a miserable person at the time and my life 'stank'
[05:29] <nikkia> apokryphos: haven't a clue
[05:30] <apokryphos> :(
[05:30] <nikkia> apokryphos: the day he was walking towards where i was, after telling the bailiffs, and i ran, was the last i saw/heard of him, it was a month or two before the end of the course
[05:30] <apokryphos> I'm still really looking forward to mine 8). Been told the first year involves.... no work.
[05:30] <nikkia> he'd dropped out of uni by then, so he had no real reason to be around the uni
[05:30] <apokryphos> right
[05:31] <nikkia> apokryphos: probably the time i remember most from uni, and oddly this was both good and bad, was walking 5 miles across wasteland to go to a Wishbone Ash concert in the next town over, and not realising that it would involve 'walking 5 miles across wasteland, IN THE DARK' back afterwards :)
[05:31] <nikkia> the concert was impressive, the getting lost in the wastelands, not so impressive
[05:32] <apokryphos> Heh. That great carefree life ;-). I'd probably be really scared of the tiniest sound on the walk back if it was completely dark
[05:32] <nikkia> in the end, a nice taxi driver i stumbled across sat sleeping in a car park on the edge of town, was nice enough to give me a ride home free
[05:32] <apokryphos> huh...huh! what was that? 
[05:32] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was worse than completely dark
[05:33] <apokryphos> cool; nice to see a good cabby
[05:33] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was 5 miles of dodgy ground, with distant lights, that bore no real landmark
[05:33] <nikkia> sure, they helped me get to the edge of the town, but i didn't have a clue where i was
[05:33] <apokryphos> by yourself, though? How come?
[05:34] <nikkia> apokryphos: it was during the time i was renting the flat alone, and didn't know anyone else that wanted to see a washed up 70s rock band :P
[05:34] <apokryphos> hehe
[05:35] <nikkia> you wouldn't think there would still be areas like that, just 'wasteland' between two towns in the UK these days, but there is :)
[05:35] <apokryphos> You'da thought they'd merge or something, but hey.
[05:35] <apokryphos> Won't be must wasteland in London, I'm sure. :|
[05:35] <nikkia> apokryphos: there are some spots in north london
[05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: that brings to mind ANOTHER amusing anecdote from 'uni-related' stuff :)
[05:36] <apokryphos> Sure, and on the outskirts etc. Nothing in Central, I meant 8)
[05:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: fire away :P
[05:36] <nikkia> apokryphos: see, i actually went to TWO unis, i went to hatfield for a year, then changed course, and ended up at teesside
[05:36] <apokryphos> nikkia: I actually wonder if half our conversations are ever really relevant to #kubuntu :P
[05:36] <apokryphos> Yup, I remember you mentioning.
[05:37] <nikkia> but i still kept in touch with some friends from hatfield, and one of them, lived in north london, so whenever i needed to go to london for a concert or something, i'd crash at his parents' house
[05:37] <nikkia> anyway, he's a bit of a psycho too, but a loveable type of psycho....
[05:37] <apokryphos> nice
[05:37] <apokryphos> heh
[05:37] <nikkia> and during one stay, he decided to show me the big collection of the pyro part of fireworks, he'd been collecting
[05:38] <nikkia> anyway, he decided it was time to 'use' this collection, and build a rocket that he attached to the back of a large paper airplane he'd made, he figured it'd make the paper airplane go REALLY fast.....
[05:38] <apokryphos> it would burn it, surely :S
[05:39] <nikkia> we went to a park/wasteland just down the road from him, anyway, suffice to say, he had neglected to realise that structural integrity of paper != good enough to handle having a crapload of thrust applied to it, and it just kind of went around and around in dangerously random circles
[05:39] <apokryphos> heh. One of those gadjet/experimenting people. I have a friend like that, but he always wildly exaggerates the affects
[05:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: yeah
[05:40] <apokryphos> and he's good at English/describing too, so it sounds almost plausible
[05:40] <nikkia> apokryphos: the next day we went to hamleys, and i showed him where the 'proper model rocket' stuff was :P
[05:40] <apokryphos> "I was instantaniously trajected around 3.5 metres and a small mushroom cloud formed"
[05:40] <apokryphos> hehehe
[05:41] <nikkia> unfortunately, as we were walking out with him holding a big model rocket box, he was still looking at the R/C cars and muttering something about 'thrust' :)
[05:42] <apokryphos> haha. No limits to the imagination 8)
[05:43] <apokryphos> nikkia: many interesting personalities in Universites, no doubt. I figure I'l just try to meet as many people as possible in the first few days/weeks
[05:44] <apokryphos> nikkia: do people generally end up becoming best friends with who's nearest?
[05:44] <apokryphos> I've heard that a lot, and it was true for my two sisters. Found that pretty interesting.
[05:44] <nikkia> apokryphos: 'nearest' ?
[05:45] <apokryphos> nikkia: my sister, for example, became best friends with the girl next door to her. My other sister's best friends were all ones in the "house" (split into many appartments) with
[05:45] <nikkia> apokryphos: ah, you mean physically close, i dunno, i think it varies
[05:45] <nikkia> most of the people i've been 'best friends' with, were just people i had stuff in common with
[05:46] <apokryphos> that's what I would've thought
[05:46] <apokryphos> though my second oldest sister, I think people in her house were ones doing the same subjects.. yeah, they were.
[05:48] <apokryphos> still, I have 3 straight days of work to drag me down 8)
[05:48] <apokryphos> though, it doesn't really
[05:48] <CellarDoor> a little good news kde fans
[05:49] <CellarDoor> apparrently folks at ati wan't to work with the kde team on plasma putting em on their beta list
[05:50] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: really? Cool. Link?
[05:51] <CellarDoor> ah I just got in an email from KDE's panel-devel mailing list
[05:52] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what's the list called?
[05:52] <CellarDoor> ah just a sec, I'll get a link for you
[05:54] <CellarDoor> Here's the page on the KDE site with info on the many and varied mailing lists you can join to get the most up-to-date info :) http://www.kde.org/mailinglists/
[05:54] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: what's the actual list called? I'm on several mailing lists :)
[05:56] <CellarDoor> panel-devel@kde.org
[05:57] <apokryphos> hm, interesting; that doesn't appear there nor on lists.k.o
[05:57] <CellarDoor> sorry, heres a better link
[05:57] <CellarDoor> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/panel-devel
[05:57] <Chameleon22> i am trying to run gnokii as a different user (as apposed to root) and need to add them to the right groups, added user to dialout group since thats what owns (root:dialout) ttyS0, error i get is: -Gnokii serial_open: open: Permission denied-Couldn't open FBUS device: Permission denied-Telephone interface init failed... any ideas?
[05:57] <CellarDoor> hows that ?
[05:57] <apokryphos> ah, I see the thread
[05:58] <CellarDoor> I'm not sure what the implications are
[05:59] <_admin> nick darkavenger
[05:59] <darkavenger> ok
[06:02] <CellarDoor> ah sometimes it nice to prompt one of the devs on freenode just to say, "thanks"
[06:04] <apokryphos> CellarDoor: ?
[06:04] <CellarDoor> In #KDE
[06:04] <CellarDoor> my favorite desktop
[06:05] <apokryphos> Yes, indeed. It's a volunteer effort for most
[06:05] <apokryphos> and it's a huge commitment for whoever does it :)
[06:05] <CellarDoor> I think its nice just to let them know you appreciate their hard work :)
[06:32] <DocTomoe> i set up flash according to http://ubuntuguide.org/ ... but there are no fonts in flash. 
[06:32] <DocTomoe> what am I to do?
[06:32] <mike1> greetings
[06:33] <DocTomoe> hi mike1
[06:33] <mike1> I just upgraded to hoary and am trying to install kubuntu
[06:33] <mike1> it's been installing and removing software for 3 hours is it stuck in a loop
[06:34] <mike1> atlon 900mhz 256mb 40 gig
[06:38] <apokryphos> mike1: never heard of that ever happening. Are you sure it's going in a loop? How did you try to install it?
[06:40] <mike1> changed souces.list to hoary 
[06:40] <mike1> reloaded sources
[06:40] <apokryphos> mike1: that won't get you kubuntu
[06:41] <apokryphos> mike1: you were on warty? Did the update to hoary go successfully?
[06:41] <mike1> yes
[06:41] <mike1> successful
[06:42] <apokryphos> mike1: and what did you do to try and get kubuntu then?
[06:42] <mike1> using snynaptic loaded kubuntu but ommited kubuntu-live
[06:43] <phreakys> hello
[06:43] <mike1> could that be my problem?
[06:43] <phreakys> how do i copy files with prefix foo_ to prefix bar_ ?
[06:43] <apokryphos> mike1: perhaps. Remove any pending items in synaptic and put sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop  in terminal
[06:44] <mike1> thanks
[06:44] <apokryphos> mike1: actually, wait
[06:45] <apokryphos> mike1: better to get you to get 3.4.2 since you're installing anyway
[06:45] <apokryphos> add deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main   ..to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:45] <mike1> the package manager synaptic is dead-locked and I can't find the process number to give it a kill signal
[06:45] <apokryphos> mike1: dead locked?
[06:46] <mike1> stuck somewhere 
[06:46] <apokryphos> just make it deselect all the selected packages for installation
[06:46] <apokryphos> and deselect any broken packs
[06:48] <mike1> yes thanks i realy want to try out krita
[06:48] <mike1> it needs 3.4
[06:48] <apokryphos> Cool, you'll be able to. 
[06:49] <apokryphos> add the above line to your sources.list
[06:49] <apokryphos> and add:   deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-koffice141 hoary-updates main
[06:50] <mike1> done thanks got to reset machine 
[06:50] <apokryphos> why?
[06:50] <apokryphos> after you add those make sure you sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:50] <mike1> synaptic is looping and I cann't find the process ID to give it a kill signal
[06:50] <rrichie> hi all
[06:51] <apokryphos> mike1: you want to kill synaptic?
[06:51] <apokryphos> mike1: sudo killall synaptic
[06:51] <apokryphos> You might have some dpkg errors, but they'll be solvable...
[06:51] <rrichie> i'm building a program for KDE from source but i have to type ./configure --prefix=/path . What path should i write?
[06:51] <apokryphos> rrichie: /usr
[06:51] <rrichie> ok thx
[06:52] <apokryphos> rrichie: for kde applications it's always ./configure --prefix=`kde-config --prefix`
[06:52] <mike1> NICE
[06:52] <apokryphos> and kde-config --prefix in ubuntu is /usr
[06:52] <_jan> hi
[06:52] <rrichie> oh ok i didn't know that great thanks for the help
[06:53] <_jan> amarok 1.3 is released can i get packages in hoary soon ?
[06:53] <apokryphos> _jan: not sure if it's being packaged... in fact, I doubt it will be for hoary. 
[06:53] <apokryphos> _jan: there's a working .deb flying about on the forums though
[06:54] <_jan> thanks for answer 
[06:54] <mike1> apokryphos: off and running "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop"
[06:54] <mike1> thanks again
[06:54] <apokryphos> hm, there's a beta3 one at least... no 1.3 yet
[06:54] <apokryphos> mike1: ok, cool
[06:55] <apokryphos> ubotu: amarok1.3 is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=46143
[06:55] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[06:57] <_jan> have these packages postgresql support 
[07:01] <phreakys> im trying to rename with the rename command but get the message: Bareword "foo" not allowed while "strict subs" in use
[07:01] <phreakys> wtf is that for?
[07:02] <_jan> this is problem in many ubuntu packages  for exampel in arts with no jack support i most many packages recompile 
[07:03] <insanekane> phreakys: use mv instead of rename for renaming its just easier
[07:07] <[Surge] > a[t-get and synaptic are giving me problems with regards to install CD as a source.
[07:09] <[Surge] > I get a whole bunch of :
[07:09] <[Surge] > W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://Kubuntu 6.04 _Hoary Hedgehog_ - Release i386 (20050407) hoary/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Kubuntu%206.04%20%5fHoary%20Hedgehog%5f%20-%20Release%20i386%20(20050407)_dists_hoary_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[07:09] <[Surge] > How do I clean everything up and start from scratch?
[07:09] <c0rrupt_> reformat
[07:09] <[Surge] > :)
[07:09] <[Surge] > Anything but that ...
[07:09] <c0rrupt_> i just reformatted last night
[07:10] <c0rrupt_> because i f*cked up the sources.list
[07:10] <nikkia> _jan: lack of good jack support is one of the reasons i ended up going with LFS
[07:10] <nikkia> _jan, i do wonder, however, whether or not dropping demudi on top of kubuntu would work...
[07:11] <[Surge] > The thing it it's the cache that is messed not the sources.  I just need to figure out how to get it to remake the cache.
[07:12] <c0rrupt_> apt-get clean
[07:12] <c0rrupt_> apt-get update
[07:12] <root> /
[07:12] <c0rrupt_> \
[07:13] <root> :P
[07:13] <nikkia> [Surge] : think yourself lucky
[07:13] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[07:13] <nikkia> my work PC has knoppix on it...
[07:13] <c0rrupt_> [Surge] , reformating was the easieay fix for me, and quickest ;)
[07:14] <nikkia> about 6 months ago, i was FORCED to reinstall, because i discovered that the version of apt i had.... had a 32,767 package limit :P
[07:14] <nikkia> i hit that limit, and apt would simply refuse to do anything more
[07:14] <c0rrupt_> so
[07:14] <c0rrupt_> remove 1
[07:14] <c0rrupt_> upgrade apt
[07:14] <nikkia> (it was probably actually dpkg that was failing)
[07:14] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[07:14] <[Surge] > c0rrupt_: I already have a custom kernel and a whole lot of software compiled from source - reformat is not an option
[07:14] <c0rrupt_> hm
[07:14] <nikkia> c0rrupt_: i couldn't remove anything, add anything, do anything, as i just said, it was probably dpkg that was dying, but either way, it wouldn't let me do ANYTHING to the package database
[07:15] <c0rrupt_> oh..
[07:15] <c0rrupt_> i see..
[07:15] <root> too bad
[07:15] <c0rrupt_> you got debowned
[07:15] <[Surge] > Well I'll try what you suggested and see
[07:15] <nikkia> as soon as i get chance, i'm pulling knoppix off that PC and putting kubuntu on it, tho
[07:15] <c0rrupt_> [Surge] , go into #ubuntu, someone may be able to help there
[07:15] <nikkia> but it means having a couple of days without activing working on something
[07:17] <root> oh~shit!Can anyone tell me how to chage nickname on Konversation 
[07:17] <_jan> settings
[07:17] <root> and?
[07:17] <apokryphos> root: are you logged in as root?
[07:17] <root> yeah
[07:18] <phreakys> just great...i cant even rename a list of files :S
[07:18] <_jan> is danger
[07:18] <_jan> logged in normal user !!!
[07:18] <root> Oh~~i see
[07:18] <root> any methodes
[07:18] <apokryphos> root: you shouldn't be; you could cause damage to your system there
[07:19] <root> :P I see !but I am really a administartor
[07:19] <_jan> when logged as root every can hack you system easier
[07:19] <root> LOL
[07:19] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[07:19] <root> come on!
[07:19] <c0rrupt_> h4x me
[07:19] <c0rrupt_> im root tooo
[07:19] <c0rrupt_> ;)
[07:19] <apokryphos> root: it doesn't matter
[07:19] <root> how to do that?
[07:19] <apokryphos> Using kde as root is detrimental, too
[07:20] <_jan> in ubuntu installtion you have creat user
[07:20] <root> apokryphos ~:P
[07:20] <root> thank you ,and I just like login as root!
[07:20] <_jan> in kdm or gdm you can type the username and pw
[07:21] <_jan> root can all the dark man on the otherside too
[07:21] <root> !!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:21] <ubotu> Not a clue, root
[07:21] <root> not have clue?
[07:21] <c0rrupt_> didnt know ubotu was a person
[07:21] <c0rrupt_> =P
[07:22] <c0rrupt_> !tell c0rrupt_ about life
[07:22] <root>  !tell c0rrupt_ about life
[07:22] <c0rrupt_> lmgfao
[07:22] <c0rrupt_> lmfao
[07:22] <c0rrupt_> '"" i dunno what is 'life'.""'
[07:22] <root> [2005-08-17 01:23]  <ubotu> Someone already said that 11 seconds ago
[07:22] <root> .....
[07:23] <root> sldfjsdf
[07:23] <c0rrupt_> saslepuss
[07:24] <root> helllo
[07:25] <mushroom_linux_c> aha~
[07:25] <mushroom_linux_c> I 've chang my nickname ~~~It's neat!
[07:25] <apokryphos> You really shouldn't run with root :|
[07:25] <c0rrupt_> helllo
[07:25] <c0rrupt_> i love running with root
[07:25] <mushroom_linux_c> hello dubby
[07:25] <c0rrupt_> its like, hey script kiddies, come try and hack me!
[07:26] <osfameron> if you think you're hard enough
[07:26] <apokryphos> c0rrupt_: no.. it's like -- hey! I could damage my system! Yay!
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[07:26] <mushroom_linux_c> yay
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> yay
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> party
[07:26] <apokryphos> :|
[07:26] <mushroom_linux_c> ;P
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> =P
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[07:26] <c0rrupt_> 0.o
[07:27] <mushroom_linux_c> .)(.)
[07:27] <c0rrupt_> ^.^
[07:27] <mushroom_linux_c> (0)(0)
[07:27] <c0rrupt_> O_o
[07:27] <c0rrupt_> o_O
[07:27] <mushroom_linux_c> cool
[07:28] <mushroom_linux_c> Ubuntu is so cool! I like this os
[07:29] <mushroom_linux_c> have to go now!bye eveyone~
[07:29] <mushroom_linux_c> nite nite~~~~~~~~~~~
[07:30] <c0rrupt_> kpz
[07:32] <[Surge] > c0rrupt_: Sorted out - thanks :)
[07:32] <c0rrupt_> what was wrong?
[07:32] <c0rrupt_> dont thank me though thank #ubuntu, they are always helpful
[07:33] <[Surge] > I never went there
[07:33] <[Surge] > For some weird reason I had a wrong CDROM entry in in my sources.list
[07:33] <[Surge] > Had a version 6.04
[07:33] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[07:33] <c0rrupt_> so you made the 6 to a 5
[07:33] <[Surge] > Deleted the line and everything is happy now
[07:33] <c0rrupt_> and everything went bybybe
[07:33] <[Surge] > There were two lines - one 5.04 and one 6.04
[07:34] <[Surge] > I removed it and apt-get update it happy
[07:34] <c0rrupt_> k
[07:34] <[Surge] > *is happy
[07:34] <[Surge] > And I'm also happy now :)
[07:34] <c0rrupt_> how do i change my clock from 24 hour
[07:34] <c0rrupt_> to 12 hour
[07:36] <jake1> wtf
[07:36] <jake1> people are saying i respond to the bot char but i don'
[07:36] <jake1> don't
[07:36] <jake1> *
[07:36] <jake1> what is the bot char anyways?
[07:37] <[Surge] > Dunno
[07:37] <jake1> i got banned from #ubuntu twice
[07:37] <jake1> cuz of it
[07:37] <jake1> and i dnt know what is happening
[07:37] <jake1> and i dnt know how to fix it
[07:38] <[Surge] > hehe
[07:38] <mushroom_linux_c> you Chinese?
[07:38] <jake1> how can i tell who the ops of #ubuntu are?
[07:38] <c0rrupt_> bob
[07:38] <jake1> mushroom_linux_c no i am not
[07:38] <c0rrupt_> 2
[07:39] <c0rrupt_> bob2
[07:39] <c0rrupt_> and
[07:39] <c0rrupt_> seveas
[07:39] <mushroom_linux_c> oh~~
[07:39] <mushroom_linux_c> :P
[07:39] <jake1> i tried to /msg seveas it said no such nick/channel
[07:42] <mcscruff> is there any kde 3.5debs?
[07:44] <apokryphos> mcscruff: considering only alpha has been released, obviously not :)
[07:45] <Tm_T> doh
[07:46] <mcscruff> :(
[07:47] <ahluka> hey all
[07:47] <mcscruff> installing from source is gonna take ages
[07:47] <ahluka> who's got the latest kubuntu [stupid question]  ?
[07:47] <ahluka> i've got a pain in the ass bug with KDE
[07:47] <ahluka> 3.4
[07:47] <apokryphos> mcscruff: then you'll have to wait. I doubt any betas will be released, and personally I'd rather Kubuntu devs spent time doing other things rather than packaging betas
[07:47] <ahluka> well i think it's just konqueror
[07:47] <Tm_T> o/ (NOT!)
[07:48] <apokryphos> ahluka: latest kde is 3.4.2
[07:48] <Tm_T> define latest
[07:48] <ahluka> sorry
[07:48] <ahluka> well, i'll tell you what happens:
[07:48] <ahluka> every other time [or so]  i open konqueror it closes immediately and i get a SIGSEGV dialogue
[07:48] <ahluka> the same happens if i create a new folder in a konqueror window
[07:49] <ahluka> is there any way to roll back a version?
[07:49] <ahluka> ?
[07:50] <mcscruff> poop a scoop
[07:50] <apokryphos> ahluka: what version do you have?
[07:50] <ahluka> konqueror? *checks*
[07:50] <apokryphos> or kde, yes.
[07:50] <ahluka> konqueror 3.4.0
[07:51] <c0rrupt_> upgrade to 3.4.2
[07:51] <apokryphos> !kde342
[07:51] <ubotu> from memory, kde342 is at http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde-342.php
[07:51] <ahluka> apparently it already is the latest, according to apt-get
[07:51] <mcscruff> u need to add new repos
[07:52] <mcscruff> ffs samba is pissing me off
[07:53] <ahluka> ?
[07:53] <ahluka> how
[07:53] <mcscruff> its not working :)
[07:53] <ahluka> lol
[07:53] <ahluka> damn i g2g
[07:54] <mcscruff> whats the best way to restart kde?
[07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> logout?
[07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> and then reboot?
[07:54] <c0rrupt_> reboot -f
[07:54] <apokryphos> No
[07:54] <phreakys> anyone experienced with kubuntu?
[07:54] <phreakys> i mean krusader
[07:54] <mushroom_linux_c> reboot -f?
[07:55] <mcscruff> brb
[07:55] <apokryphos> To restart kde you just need to logout 
[07:55] <mcscruff> logging out
[07:57] <McScruff> god damn samba
[07:58] <McScruff> can someone help me with samba please
[08:00] <[Surge] > Well if you tell us what is wrong someone may have an answer
[08:00] <mike1> hmm just loaded seems okay but gnome started and I have kde apps under debian in my application pull down list?
[08:00] <McScruff> surge, its not shareing to a network
[08:01] <mike1> I did answer kdm for preferred desktop
[08:01] <[Surge] > McScruff: I'm busy setting up samba as we speak :)
[08:01] <[Surge] > But I'm doing it the easy way.  webmin
[08:02] <mike1> none of the koffice stuff or krita loaded
[08:02] <apokryphos> mike1: did you install kubuntu-desktop? Everything go fine there?
[08:03] <McScruff> im trying to do it through kcontrol
[08:04] <mike1> did as you said
[08:05] <apokryphos> mike1: did everything go fine? What's the output of kde-config --version?
[08:05] <mike1> I'm now loading krita through synaptic
[08:05] <mike1> 3.4.0
[08:05] <apokryphos> hm
[08:06] <mike1> qt 3.3.3
[08:06] <apokryphos> mike1: did you add the 3.4.2 repository, for sure?
[08:06] <mike1> I failed to run update on synaptic prior to the sudo aptitude command
[08:07] <apokryphos> mike1: you didn't answer the question :)
[08:07] <mike1> deb http://kubuntu.org/hoary-kde342 hoary-updates main
[08:07] <mike1> was added to sources
[08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: GAH!
[08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: my boss just called me....
[08:08] <nikkia> 'i've ordered those 2 PCs you wanted'
[08:08] <apokryphos> nikkia: hahaha
[08:08] <apokryphos> :P
[08:08] <apokryphos> Life
[08:08] <nikkia> apokryphos: he also said 'after all this work you've put in on this project, i'll sort out some other bonus for you on top of them too'
[08:08] <apokryphos> What a guy ;-)
[08:08] <McScruff> sambas working :)
[08:09] <[Surge] > Cool
[08:09] <[Surge] > I didn't know it was in kcontrol
[08:09] <McScruff> :)
[08:09] <[Surge] > Didn't need to load webmin 
[08:09] <McScruff> kcontrol is easy
[08:10] <apokryphos> nikkia: how many working computers are you going to have exactly? :P
[08:10] <nikkia> apokryphos: in the house? 6
[08:10] <apokryphos> heh
[08:11] <m0ns00n^main> Evening
[08:11] <nikkia> means i need to order another 100baseT switch :/
[08:11] <mike1> krita is awesome
[08:11] <mike1> thanks
[08:11] <apokryphos> mike1: sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:12] <apokryphos> to get the latest kde
[08:12] <mike1> thanks
[08:12] <MagicStick> hi guys...can anyone help with this error in PHP script...Call to undefined function: mysql_connect()
[08:12] <[Surge] > McScruff: Yeah kcontrol makes it very easy. Damn it's nice.
[08:12] <MagicStick> i have all the php-mysql modules installed
[08:13] <apokryphos> MagicStick: not a kde-related issue, so you're more likely to have luck in #ubuntu
[08:13] <mike1> I must say this is very impressive I've used linux exclusively for 5 years and freebsd for prob 3 years upgrades on the fly that work!
[08:14] <mike1> check out http://mreavey.homeip.net
[08:14] <[Surge] > MagicStick: It sounds like you haven't installed MySQL yet or the MySQL plugin for PHP
[08:15] <m0ns00n^main> MagicStick: You don't habe it totally installed
[08:15] <MagicStick> [Surge]  I have installed everything - phpmyadmin seems to work fine
[08:15] <m0ns00n^main> have
[08:15] <m0ns00n^main> MagicStick: The mysql php package isn't installed
[08:16] <MagicStick> php4-mysql package is installed
[08:17] <[Surge] > And MySQL?
[08:17] <MagicStick> yes mysql is currently installed as well
[08:19] <[Surge] > Strange
[08:19] <[Surge] > Then it must be a config problem
[08:20] <[Surge] > MagicStick: I'm just looking for some info
[08:20] <MagicStick> on doing phpinfo(), one of the configure command is '--without-mysql'
[08:20] <MagicStick> thanks surge
[08:21] <[Surge] > Ah ... thought so
[08:22] <MagicStick> anyway of changing this..i installed php/mysql from deb resources so haven't changed anything
[08:22] <zAo^> can I remove kdeutils and kdebase safely?
[08:22] <[Surge] > Last time I installed PHP I compiled from source and enabled MySQL support
[08:23] <pax> you restarterd apache after installing that stuff ofcourse
[08:23] <MagicStick> i don't really feel like installing it from source, specially when its in the repos - and it worked before fine
[08:23] <MagicStick> pax - yes twice
[08:24] <pax> MagicStick: let'see your phpinfo() page
[08:24] <MagicStick> test.vmhost.co.uk
[08:24] <McScruff> configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs.
[08:24] <McScruff> Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss
[08:24] <McScruff> a package named similar to libstdc++-dev.
[08:25] <McScruff> i have already installed it tho
[08:25] <crimsun> did you install 'build-essential'?
[08:25] <McScruff> maybe
[08:25] <crimsun> dpkg -l build-essential|grep ^ii
[08:25] <[Surge] > MagicStick:  PHP :  ./configure --with-apache=/path/to/apache/dir --with-mysql=/usr/local/mysql   :)
[08:26] <pax> MagicStick: sudo apt-get --purge remove php4-mysql and then install it again
[08:26] <McScruff> ty crimsun
[08:26] <pax> apache2ctl graceful
[08:26] <c0rrupt_>  Moskau, Moskau, Wodka trinkt man pur und kalt, 
[08:26] <c0rrupt_>  das macht hundert Jahre alt, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho! Hej! 
[08:27] <pax> c0rrupt_: tried #ubuntu-nl ?
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> Lol
[08:27] <c0rrupt_> im english
[08:27] <MagicStick> surge/ pax - got it working - i un-commented a line in php.ini: extension=mysql.so
[08:27] <McScruff> im english too :O
[08:27] <pax> good stuff :)
[08:28] <c0rrupt_> long live americans
[08:28] <c0rrupt_> ;x
[08:28] <MagicStick> thanks for your help :-)
[08:28] <c0rrupt_> your welcome
[08:28] <McScruff> shall we dance?
[08:28] <c0rrupt_> i already am
[08:29] <pax> english huh, 'your welcome' is english? ;c)
[08:29] <matthew> howdy guys, not a complete linux noob, but have never used debian before, so i am unfamiliar with apt get, and am having trouble upgrading kopete, as my version will not connect to msn
[08:29] <matthew> anyone got any ideas?
[08:29] <crimsun> matthew: you can check hoary-backports for a newer kopete version
[08:29] <McScruff> update kde
[08:30] <McScruff> or go on kopetes website and grab the latest
[08:30] <matthew> i ran apt-get upgrade and it apparently updated 70 packages, but after a restart still the same problem?
[08:30] <pax> what version are you sing now?
[08:31] <McScruff> if you grab the latest kde repos you can update kde and that will update kopete
[08:31] <matthew> 0.10
[08:31] <c0rrupt_> Xsplosive
[08:31] <matthew> what command to update kde?
[08:31] <pax> !repos
[08:31] <ubotu> it has been said that repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:32] <pax> the repo for KDE 3.4.2 is topic
[08:32] <[Surge] > Nice pax - never new of that :)
[08:32] <pax> [Surge] : whatcha mean?
[08:32] <[Surge] > knew
[08:32] <matthew> thanks everyone, i will try to upgrade kde now
[08:32] <[Surge] > !repos
[08:32] <ubotu> hmm... repos is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto A list of official repositories can be found at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> xsplosive
[08:33] <c0rrupt_> west coast shit
[08:33] <pax> oh hehe ubotu is da man
[08:33] <[Surge] > Hmmm ... doesn't like me  ;)
[08:33] <[Surge] > Ah ... slow
[08:33] <[Surge] > matthew: Hold on a minute
[08:33] <[Surge] > I got my Kopete to work with MSN
[08:34] <[Surge] > Let me find out where I got it from
[08:34] <matthew> ok
[08:34] <pax> it works with msn outta the box, atleast here
[08:34] <pax> using Kopete: 0.10.3 
[08:34] <matthew> i am using 0.10 though
[08:35] <pax> didn't everyone suggest upgrading?
[08:35] <matthew> i added a repoitory to sources.list
[08:35] <[Surge] > How do I find what source my kopete came from?
[08:35] <matthew> do i do sudo apt-get upgrade now?
[08:35] <apokryphos> [Surge] : you can't, really...
[08:35] <pax> sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade matt
[08:35] <apokryphos> yes, upgrading is recommended
[08:36] <matthew> its just grabbing binaries and not source isnt it?
[08:36] <pax> !info kopete
[08:36] <ubotu> kopete: (Instant messenger program), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2 (hoary), Packaged size: 4258 kB, Installed size: 14384 kB
[08:36] <apokryphos> matthew: correct
[08:36] <[Surge] > I have kopete 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu2.1 (kopete 0.10) and it works
[08:36] <Tm_T> kopete <3
[08:37] <matthew> good, no day long compiles like gentoo:)
[08:37] <matthew> this is a known problem, msn changed something in their servers
[08:37] <[Surge] > Hehe
[08:38] <matthew> so the new kopete is in the kde upgrade, because i\t is a kde app, correct?
[08:38] <Tm_T> yay
[08:38] <apokryphos> matthew: erm, what?
[08:39] <matthew> kopete is part of kde, so it is upgraded when i update kde?
[08:39] <apokryphos> Generally, yes.
[08:39] <matthew> ok gotcha
[08:39] <matthew> it is upgrading kde now, going to h ave tea now, brb
[08:40] <Tm_T> kopete is a part of kdenetwork package (?)
[08:40] <apokryphos> correct
[08:40] <pax> yes it is.
[08:40] <pax> http://ubuntu.synssans.nl/pool/main/k/kdenetwork/kopete_3.4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb <- see it?
[08:40] <Tm_T> yay
[08:41] <Tm_T> and I supposed to be a kopete dev (not really)
[08:41] <jjesse> just finished a section in the kubuntu userguide on kopote
[08:41] <Tm_T> nice
[08:42] <pax> jjesse: link please
[08:42] <jjesse> not uploaded into the docteam preview yet :(
[08:42] <jjesse> working on getting it done
[08:43] <pax> did you state somewhere that kopete owns gaim? jes kidding :c)
[08:43] <apokryphos> jjesse: kubuntu doc team? I was gonna join and started doing some stuff but got overloaded with other kde docs; I'll hopefully be able to contribute in the future. Great stuff you've got going there :)
[08:43] <apokryphos> Looking forward to the breezy docs =)
[08:43] <jjesse> nod kubuntu doc team i'm hard at work getting the kubuntu userguide finished
[08:44] <apokryphos> jjesse: heh, great stuff; I've just been doing work on kde userguide ;-)
[08:44] <jjesse> apokryphos:  you should join us we need more kde people 
[08:44] <jjesse> apokryphos: i looked through the kde user guide nice stuff there
[08:45] <apokryphos> jjesse: I'd quite like to, but quite pressed for time lately; all my idle internet time going to kde -- have a few commitments there
[08:46] <apokryphos> In the future, hopefully. :)
[08:46] <jjesse> apokryphos: i totally understand i've been slacking on the docs, but trying to cram things in for breezy
[08:46] <apokryphos> I'll prolly be able to contribute for 6.04 if I'm still with 'buntu 8)
[08:47] <c0rrupt_> lol
[08:47] <jjesse> 6.04 is supposed to be the one for a couple of years of support right?
[08:48] <apokryphos> jjesse: Enteprise release? I think so
[08:48] <c0rrupt_> when you look under the rocks and plants and take a glance at the fancy ants
[08:48] <apokryphos> not sure if anything's set in stone
[08:48] <c0rrupt_> maybe you'll try a fe
[08:49] <apokryphos> jjesse: anyhow, off for a sleep now before work; but thanks for all the work into the docs; I'm sure all kubu users will really appreciate it. Will have to start updating ubotu with links to them ;-)
[08:49] <jjesse> grin thanks apokryphos 
[08:50] <zAo^> how can connect to a windows remote desktop in KDE?
[08:50] <c0rrupt_> Krdc
[08:50] <zAo^> thanks
[08:51] <jjesse> or use the tsclient or rdesktop
[08:52] <McScruff> how do i install epos
[08:52] <seaLne> with kynaptic
[08:53] <matthew> hey again, those commands finished, do i need to restart kde now?
[08:53] <seaLne> yes
[08:54] <matthew> kill what process?
[08:54] <seaLne> if it updated lots of other stuff you might be as well to reboot
[08:54] <matthew> ah ok
[08:54] <matthew> cya in a minute then:P
[08:54] <derek> is there a way for a System.Windows.Forms.MessageBox to return the results of 2 text fields?
[08:55] <matthew> 3.4.2-0ubuntu0hoary1 <---------- is that the right version it upgraded to\?
[08:55] <douglas> my openoffice2 fonts show up as gibberish and I can't use the Suite because of it? HELP!
[08:55] <seaLne> matthew: yep
[08:55] <matthew> ok thanks guys
[08:57] <douglas> anyone?
[08:57] <PieD> douglas: which OOo 2 version ?
[08:57] <douglas> um... the one in the hoary repository
[08:58] <douglas> note: I have multiverse and universe
[08:59] <_matthew> thanks guys, it works fine, another copy of xp bites the dust:P
[09:00] <seaLne> cool
[09:00] <douglas> Has anyone else had problems with OOo2?
[09:00] <douglas> I guess I'll just download a copy
[09:02] <_matthew> how do i get kopete to look like on the offical site?
[09:03] <_matthew> with people's display pics next to their names etc
[09:03] <seaLne> that depends i think on if they have pictures set in their client to send
[09:04] <_matthew> which they do, as i am on msn
[09:04] <seaLne> hmm no idea just had a look
[09:05] <_matthew> the default look looks very dreary in comparison
[09:05] <jjesse> in kopote you can set it to download the icons, if i recall correctly?
[09:06] <_matthew> ah ok, ill try
[09:06] <jjesse> under the account preferences of the msn account
[09:06] <jjesse> it says "automatically download the display picture if possible"
[09:06] <jjesse> which is unchecked by default
[09:06] <[Surge] > _matthew: Easy
[09:07] <[Surge] > Settings
[09:07] <[Surge] > Configure Kopete
[09:07] <[Surge] > Appearance
[09:07] <[Surge] > Contact List
[09:07] <[Surge] > Set "Detailed With Contact Photos"
[09:08] <_matthew> thank you
[09:09] <_matthew> yay!:D
[09:09] <[Surge] > My pleasure
[09:10] <_matthew> now to get clever, is it possible to have an entry in the KDE address book, and link it with a contact in kopete?
[09:15] <[Surge] > _matthew: Not sure I saw some sort of sync though
[09:15] <_matthew> ok
[09:17] <[Surge] > You can only do it with each user
[09:17] <[Surge] > 1. Select a user
[09:17] <[Surge] > Edit->Properties
[09:17] <_matthew> got it thanks
[09:17] <[Surge] > 3. Custom Notifications
[09:17] <[Surge] > :)
[09:17] <[Surge] > Sync KABC
[09:18] <[Surge] > Which is Kontact's address book
[09:18] <[Surge] > Which doesn't appear to work for me but I don't need it  :)
[09:20] <_matthew> lol
[09:20] <CellarDoor> uhmm I have a problem
[09:21] <[Surge] > We all have problems CellarDoor - welcome to humanity.
[09:21] <_matthew> go ahead!
[09:22] <CellarDoor> I purged kdelibs-data and was going to reinstall but it seems I have purged quite a lot
[09:26] <_matthew> how do i do print screen? i wanna show off my new desktop to friends:P
[09:26] <_matthew> print screen in linux, that is
[09:27] <PieD> start ksnapshot
[09:28] <_matthew> ta
[09:29] <Imrahil> CellarDoor, your alias is said to be the most beautiful word in all of english
[09:31] <CellarDoor> sorry, was stuck in console
[09:31] <CellarDoor> argh
[09:32] <ahluka> hmm
[09:32] <tenco> hi all
[09:32] <ahluka> hey all
[09:32] <tenco> i am testing kubuntu
[09:32] <tenco> just a question
[09:33] <tenco> how do i install german language packages for kde
[09:33] <ahluka> tenco, are you having problems with konqueror in kubuntu?
[09:33] <ahluka> tenco, mine keeps crashing - SIGSEGV
[09:33] <tenco> no
[09:33] <ahluka> weird
[09:34] <movi> can anyone help me with the evil automounter in media:/ kioslave ?
[09:34] <movi> i want to disable it, and instead make kde use the normal fstab rules
[09:34] <troy> grub is borked - is there any way to boot using the install or livecd kernel while specifying it use the hard disk for root?
[09:34] <CellarDoor> I was told in #KDE to purge kdelibs-data and reinstall to rectify kcontrol not being where it should be... well... now half of KDE is cactus... and I can't seem to get it back even if I try to upgrade it doesn't replace lost packages like ermm Konqueror ! And just about every other important item.
[09:34] <movi> or AT LEAST make media:/ display names of the partitions instead of 4.0G Media\
[09:34] <nikkia> movi, go to kcontrol...
[09:35] <movi> nikkia : yes...\
[09:35] <nikkia> then kde components, then service manager, find kded and turn it off
[09:35] <CellarDoor> I'm afraid to log out cause It might be truly stuffed
[09:35] <nikkia> erm, kded media manager, rather
[09:36] <nikkia> movi, i had to turn it off because it was interfering with k3b  :/
[09:36] <movi> nikkia : yay, now another one
[09:36] <movi> nikkia : i happen to mount all of my volumes in /Volumes instead of /media
[09:37] <CellarDoor> good grief, most of my programs have gone
[09:37] <CellarDoor> this is truly crap
[09:37] <movi> will ln -s /Volumes /media suffice to make the partitions mounted via fstab appear on the desktop (if i selected the appropiate KDE option)
[09:37] <nikkia> movi, no idea, never tried it
[09:38] <movi> nikkia : it's still there!!
[09:38] <movi> after a restart of kdm!
[09:39] <CellarDoor> there's hardly anything left in my Kmenu
[09:39] <CellarDoor> argh !!!
[09:39] <movi> CellarDoor : apt-get remove --purge <someobscurekdelib>
[09:39] <movi> this will make all of kde go away WITH it's configuration files
[09:39] <movi> but to be sure do also
[09:39] <pax> CellarDoor: if it's just a kmenu issue then it can be corrected with kmenuedit
[09:39] <movi> rm -rf ~/.kde
[09:40] <movi> Cellar : then apt-get install kde-desktop-environment
[09:40] <pax> it's nice nice to write your own menu anyway.
[09:40] <movi> Cellar : and youll get the stock things back
[09:40] <movi> nikkia : i still have the 4G Media under media:// even though i stopped the KDED Media Manager and restarted kdm
[09:41] <movi> nikkia : should i reboot? (unlikely)
[09:44] <nikkia> movi, stopping the media manager just stops it being auto-mounted, it will still list all devices there
[09:45] <[Surge] > _matthew: I added ksnapshot the the KDE hotkeys so PrintScreen button launches it like it does in Mandrake/Mandriva
[09:45] <movi> nikkia : do they have to ALL be like 16G Media, 19G Media instead of partition labels or at least inherit the mount folder name ? I have 15 partitions and showing me the size as the name is not a very good idea
[09:46] <CellarDoor> you gotta be kidding me... 
[09:46] <CellarDoor> cant find kde-desktop-envirnoment
[09:46] <movi> apt-cache search kde desktop
[09:46] <movi> install the most broad one
[09:46] <CellarDoor> try just kde and it wants me to put kubuntu disk in... argh
[09:46] <movi> even better, lok for kubuntu desktop
[09:47] <CellarDoor> I had KDE 3.4.2 with only a minor problem (kcontrol not in kmenu)... I wish I hadn't bothered with it as now I have a major problem
[09:48] <movi> CellarDoor : you should have just deleted you .kde/ dir ;)
[09:48] <movi> and started all over
[09:49] <CellarDoor> great
[09:50] <CellarDoor> >:(
[09:51] <movi> CellarDoor : just do what i say
[09:51] <movi> and youll be alright
[09:52] <movi> rm -rf ~/.kde
[09:52] <movi> rm -rf ~/.qt
[09:52] <movi> rm .kderc
[09:52] <movi> apt-get install kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-default-settings
[09:53] <movi> reboot and everything should be alright
[09:53] <movi> it's not that hard
[09:53] <CellarDoor> well right now its asking for the kubuntu disk
[09:54] <CellarDoor> will that give me kde3.4.2 back again ?
[09:54] <[Surge] > Only one way to find out
[09:57] <movi> CellarDoor : whatever your Kubuntu came preinstalled with
[09:57] <CellarDoor> oh hang on
[09:57] <movi> you CAN fetch the newest from the ubuntu servers later on
[09:57] <Cypress> hello, i just installed kubuntu 5.04 and my sound is not working. I know how to configure it with 'alsaconf' however that does not seem to be installed, and I seem to not be able to find that package with kynapse to download it. does anyone know how I can get AlsaConf to work>
[09:58] <CellarDoor> It asked for the disk... but seems to be fetching updates
[09:58] <CellarDoor> hmm I thought my sources list was gone as well
[09:59] <_matthew> vlc or kaffine guys?
[09:59] <CellarDoor> this is most frustrating and exciting at the same time as I'm being edumacated...
[10:00] <Cypress> _matthew, i use XMMS
[10:01] <CellarDoor> _matthew I use Kaffeine or Totem most of the time and VLC as my fallback when the others won't play a disk as it seems to work when all else fails usually...
[10:02] <Cypress> so anyone know how to get alsaconf to work???
[10:03] <CellarDoor> movi, I put the kubuntu disk in and let it do what it wanted... we'll see what happens... if that doesn't work I'll do what you said, which I would have done if I wasn't already in a situation where it was asking me for the disk
[10:03] <CellarDoor> I dunno what it wanted the disk for cause its fetching stuff online anyway
[10:05] <[Surge] > Cypress: alsaconf is not available in (k)ubuntu
[10:06] <Cypress> is there any way to install it?
[10:07] <Cypress> or am i just going to have to chose another distro?
[10:12] <_matthew> aaaaaaaaaaaah i feel so noobish, why wont sudo apt-get vlc work?
[10:12] <seaLne> apt-get install vlc
[10:13] <_matthew> thanks
[10:18] <MikeStyle> hi, i need some help installing the moodin engine
[10:18] <MikeStyle> can anyone help
[10:22] <_matthew> anyone no why i'm getting no video in vlc with wmv files?
[10:23] <_matthew> *know
[10:24] <Cypress> do u have the codec?
[10:24] <_matthew> ah.........
[10:37] <setite> right
[10:45] <_matthew> left
[10:47] <Yns> Hi , I'm having problems about connecting to internet with Cnet ethernet card.Should I install a patch for kernel ? Any idea ?
[10:47] <Yns> * I'm in kubuntu.
[10:51] <Cypress> does Kubuntu recognize your card?
[10:52] <Yns> yep
[10:54] <salil> can anyone tell me why my kubuntu and other kde programs keep on crashing.. 
[10:55] <_matthew> how do you connect to teh internet? router?
[10:56] <salil> no.. 
[10:56] <Cypress> Yns if u connect through a router and have it be the DHCP server, make sure ur card is configured to get an IP from the router
[10:56] <Cypress> configure ur card to accept the address that the DHCP server aka ur router is giving it
[10:56] <salil> what..??
[10:57] <Cypress> that was for Yns to u salil
[10:58] <sforwk> Hello. Can I jump in and ask a about apt-get?
[11:00] <Yns> Cypress I tried that ..
[11:05] <sforwk> I'm new to Kubuntu. I'm trying to install kdesdk. Apt-get and Kynaptic only find kdesdk-doc. Both suggest kdesdk. Where can I get it?
[11:06] <sforwk> And how do I get it?
[11:08] <Cypress> sforwk did u try apt-get install kdesdk?
[11:09] <hyperactivecrond> http://musicalcocaine.kicks-ass.net/~chris/firefoxmicrosoft.png
[11:09] <hyperactivecrond> look at this
[11:09] <hyperactivecrond> howlarious
[11:09] <CellarDoo> clear
[11:09] <CellarDoo> argh
[11:09] <hyperactivecrond> what happens when you visit MS Passport on Firefox
[11:09] <CellarDoo> :/
[11:09] <CellarDoo> brb
[11:10] <sforwk> Yes I did try apt-get. It installs kdesdk.doc and suggests kdesdk but doesn't install it.
[11:11] <Cypress> you can try downloading it from  http://kde.gnusoft.net/stable/3.4.1/kubuntu/pool/kdesdk/
[11:13] <sforwk> Cypress, I think I tried that but didn't know what to get. I'm a slackware user til now, so I've never used the apt-get method.
[11:13] <sforwk> Do I just get the build package?
[11:15] <Aapzak> unbelievable assholes in #debian, yuk
[11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> They are?
[11:16] <Aapzak> yeps
[11:16] <Aapzak> arrogant
[11:16] <nikkia> Aapzak: they're world renowned for it
[11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Really?
[11:16] <nikkia> Aapzak: almost meeting the legendary old efnet #linux level
[11:16] <jason_> linux newbie.. how do I move my screen.. without using the controls on my monitor
[11:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Live and learn
[11:17] <Aapzak> pfff, I just got muted for asking if KDE 3,3,2 was in unstable
[11:17] <nikkia> Aapzak: were the words 'stfu' 'noob' and 'rtfm' used?
[11:17] <c0rrupt_> wow
[11:17] <nikkia> they usually are
[11:17] <goofy36> w00t
[11:17] <Aapzak> I guess they're just frustrated about that :)
[11:17] <c0rrupt_> #ubuntu
[11:17] <c0rrupt_> works great
[11:17] <c0rrupt_> all helpful
[11:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's almost like our country's linux channel on IRCnet
[11:17] <nikkia> Aapzak: 3.3.2 ?
[11:17] <Aapzak> yeah
[11:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Try 3.4.2
[11:18] <nikkia> Aapzak: heh, i suppose asking for 3.4.2 is a bit out of the question
[11:18] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: its debian...
[11:18] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i'm surprised they have kde 3. anything :)
[11:18] <Aapzak> I browsed the package site and thought I saw 3.3.2
[11:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That behind, huh?
[11:18] <Aapzak> I was unsure about that and asked
[11:18] <Aapzak> it is
[11:18] <Aapzak> the Debian way
[11:18] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: 'stfu noob, we're busy packaging gnome 1.1!!'
[11:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *gasps*
[11:19] <CellarDoor> sif use gnome
[11:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Lemme guess. Still on XFree86 as well?
[11:19] <Aapzak> well, xorg is in unstable now
[11:19] <nikkia> Aapzak: as an option, iirc
[11:20] <Aapzak> prolly
[11:20] <nikkia> Aapzak: iirc, they still install xfree 3.something as the default on stable!
[11:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How long did it take them to release the recent stable version of Debian?
[11:20] <Aapzak> anyway, you're allways nice inhere, and the Gentoo community is fabulous as well, I was just shocked by their reactions
[11:20] <nikkia> Aapzak: #debian really is well known for that
[11:21] <nikkia> Aapzak: and its not as bad as the old efnet #linux was
[11:21] <CellarDoor> everyone I know who uses debian is using sarge
[11:21] <Aapzak> well, I hate to be treated like that
[11:21] <Aapzak> :)
[11:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: I'd be interested to know what the fabled #linux channel of EFnet was like
[11:21] <nikkia> Aapzak: i once went into #linux, while i was trying to write a device driver, and asked for a little help, and got told to stfu, rtfm, and told to downgrade to a stable kernel
[11:21] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: sarge is the current stable release which is allright now, but will not change untill 2007
[11:22] <sforwk> Cypress, that url has both kdedsk and cervisia. Ver 3.4.1. My kubuntu is 3.4.0. will that be much problem?
[11:22] <Aapzak> 2008 even :)
[11:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: And I suppose that was on their good day?
[11:22] <CellarDoor> my KDE is broken
[11:22] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i guess
[11:22] <Cypress> i really can not tell you, sorry
[11:22] <sforwk> Cypress, if I download a .deb package, how do I use it locally? Will apt-get work on local packages?
[11:23] <Cypress> i am really a n00b in linux
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> sforwk: dpkg -i [name of deb package here] 
[11:23] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i seriously got told to downgrade to kernel 0.99plSomethingOrOther while i was trying to write a driver for 1.0.something
[11:23] <Aapzak> I'm always having a good time inhere anyway, tnx for that
[11:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Heh, wow
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> #debian must be their offspring then
[11:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I should check it out, maybe get a few laughs...or gasps
[11:24] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: debian is so far behind, they probably still think its 1993 anyway :P
[11:24] <Aapzak> BTW, I was not nice in #debian myself, I got 'package.debian.org' as answer and answered myself 'typically debian answer'
[11:25] <Aapzak> 3 sentences later I had no Karma and could not talk anymore
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeaouch
[11:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Karma? I thought debian was a distro, not a religion
[11:25] <CellarDoor> lol
[11:25] <Aapzak> so I guess I hit 2 buttons in the same time, 3.3.2 and theit behaviour
[11:25] <Aapzak> :)
[11:25] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: where on earth did you get that idea?
[11:26] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: just read some of the flamewars on the debian dev lists, its clearly a religion :P
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: I didn't. Little green men told me
[11:26] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: i'd recommend the firefox vs mozilla-firefox debate as a starting place
[11:26] <CellarDoor> Debian people who don't hang out in #debian are more human
[11:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I stand corrected
[11:26] <Aapzak> I find iit hard to believe any Linux user acts that way. Most of us use Linux for some reason, and I hope its not just to annoy the world
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: Taking place...where?
[11:27] <nikkia> Aapzak: there's quite a lot that just use it to be '31337'
[11:27] <kay> i always found #debian people to be very nice
[11:27] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: one of the debian mailing lists, they're archived on www.debian.org
[11:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, thanks. Checking out...NOW!
[11:28] <kay> The thing is, with 1000 developers, you get to have some people who hate each other
[11:28] <Aapzak> I've been a happy Debian user for years and am just disappointed
[11:28] <kay> Because they think, work and target so differently
[11:29] <kay> Aapzak: What's the deal?
[11:29] <Aapzak> oh, they muted me :)
[11:29] <CellarDoor> what did thy mute you for ?
[11:29] <Aapzak> I asked if KDE 3.3.2 was in Unstable
[11:29] <kay> And?
[11:30] <Aapzak> aswer: packages.debian.org
[11:30] <phreakys> hi
[11:30] <kay> What's wrong with that answer?
[11:30] <Aapzak> my answer: typically Debian answer
[11:30] <CellarDoor> hehe
[11:30] <sforwk> thanks rogue_jedi
[11:30] <kay> I mean, isn't it about helping people to help themselves
[11:30] <Aapzak> that wasn't received well
[11:30] <CellarDoor> yeah whats wrong with a simple, "yes"
[11:30] <phreakys> im trying to run pure-ftpd, but the port seems to be taken
[11:30] <nikkia> kay, it IS effectively 'stfu noob, rtfm!'
[11:30] <Aapzak> kay, I checked that site
[11:30] <phreakys> how can i check what is on port 21?
[11:30] <Aapzak> and I did not think 3.3.2 in unstable could be right
[11:30] <kay> Well, if you learn packages.debian.org, you get to know everything
[11:31] <kay> nikkia: It is an URL which you can follow and have your answer.
[11:31] <Aapzak> kay, I thought I was mistaking and wanted some ACK
[11:31] <nikkia> kay, its also a terse answer that isn't really an answer, much like rtfm
[11:31] <nikkia> r'ing  tfm is good advice, but its a lousy answer to a question
[11:31] <sforwk> Rogue_jedi, I get "no such file or directory" error. How can I tell dpkg where to look?
[11:31] <kay> Well, except for giving you the URL of it
[11:32] <CellarDoor> A nice answer might have been "yes, see packages.debian.org"
[11:32] <Aapzak> kay, my answer was not: which KDE is in unstable
[11:32] <kay> nikkia: If for Debian, and Ubuntu too, it is so easy to find out yourself
[11:32] <nikkia> kay, thats not the point
[11:32] <kay> And, the people you ask would have to do the very same thing
[11:32] <kay> Isn't it unfair to expect people to serve as answer bots for such questions?
[11:33] <kay> The real question, btw
[11:33] <nikkia> kay, there's a gulf of difference between 'packages.debian.org' and 'i don't know, check packages.debian.org'
[11:33] <sforwk> Thanks CellarDoor, I'll go there now.
[11:33] <kay> Is - as I guess - the expected follow up
[11:33] <kay> 3.3.2, hey common. shouldn't it be 3.4.2 at least?
[11:33] <Aapzak> kay, I presumed there was someone in the channel running KDE on unstable, and could acknowledge or deny my question
[11:33] <kay> You didn't ask that then...
[11:34] <Aapzak> I asked: is KDE 3.3.2 in unstable
[11:34] <kay> I expect, you ran into some heat with KDE backlog due to C
[11:34] <kay> eh sorry
[11:34] <kay> C++ transition
[11:34] <kay> Debian is by far not as fast to transition as Ubuntu was...
[11:35] <CellarDoor> I was reading about qt4 earlier and whats happening with KDE being ported to it and why and so forth... sounds good
[11:35] <nikkia> CellarDoor: KDE is always ported to the latest Qt, eventually
[11:35] <Aapzak> I was thinking about running Debian @ work, because I like the distro and use it on some servers as well, but they changed my mind, (K)ubuntu and Gentoo people are so much nicer
[11:35] <kay> Aapzak: So likely, it was not isolated event as it appears to you. I agree, bad behaviour in a way.
[11:35] <kay> Aapzak: But not so bad and not so undestandable
[11:35] <nikkia> CellarDoor: KDE2->KDE3 was the porting to Qt3, and like this port, happened some time after Qt3 was released
[11:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Do you have Gentoo installed on a computer somewhere?
[11:36] <Aapzak> running it right now
[11:36] <Aapzak> Gentoo really rocks :)
[11:36] <kay> Aapzak: I was on Debian testing at work, then switched to Hoary, now Breezy... quite good stuff
[11:37] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[11:37] <CellarDoor> eh ?
[11:37] <Aapzak> yeah, true, but I can't use it to compile stuff for my servers on it, 
[11:37] <c0rrupt_> slackware owns
[11:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: How hard a time did you have installing it? I was thinking of trying it out myself on another puter
[11:37] <CellarDoor> I was in #mepis, they hate ubuntu hehe
[11:38] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: it's not that hard, and you'll learn something along the way, but expect to take at least 24 hours for an install
[11:38] <CellarDoor> I won't repeat what they said about kubuntu
[11:38] <Aapzak> Gentoo documentation is the best there is
[11:38] <kay> CellarDoor: Thank you very much
[11:38] <CellarDoor> I downloaded mepis and had a play with it... I thought it sucked
[11:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: I was already expecting something like that
[11:38] <Aapzak> :)
[11:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Who in the right mind could hate (k)ubuntu?
[11:39] <Aapzak> who does?
[11:39] <kay> Why hat a distribution at all
[11:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> #mepis people, according to CellarDoor 
[11:39] <Aapzak> :)
[11:39] <kay> Hate those that create the code instead :p
[11:39] <Aapzak> hate is such an unhealthy emotion
[11:39] <kay> Actually it likely not even true
[11:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yes. Use rage instead
[11:40] <nikkia> Aapzak: *shrug*
[11:40] <Aapzak> nikkia: my english sucks :) 
[11:40] <kay> What Shuttleworth is doing is give me good feelings
[11:40] <kay> I kind of admire his vision...
[11:40] <CellarDoor> I played with mepis for a while, but was very happy to get back to my kubuntu desktop
[11:40] <nikkia> 'hate' doesn't mean what it used to, words change, and 'hate' has become a synonym for 'dislike'
[11:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: Found the juicy firefox thread. This is gold
[11:41] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: gimme?
[11:41] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: you'll get bored after about 300-400 posts
[11:41] <kay> Ah, well, then Kubuntu probably dislikes everything else with the exception of Debian :p
[11:41] <nikkia> i always do
[11:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's what I hate about mailing lists. Unlike forums they don't show how many messages there are
[11:42] <nikkia> Aapzak: no offense, but i get tired of hearing people bemoan people using the word 'hate' in place of dislike, the fact is, the word's meaning has changed, no amount of moaning about inapproriate usage will change that :)
[11:42] <CellarDoor> the fact that mepis was still on kde 3.3, a wierd issue with it using not wanting to use my ethernet connection, and the general attitude of Mepis people... I was glad to be rid of Mepis
[11:42] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: Download as mbox and use kmail to read it
[11:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ah, handy. Thanks, kay
[11:43] <kay> I only hear good things about Mepis
[11:43] <CellarDoor> I heard good things too
[11:43] <CellarDoor> Thats why I tried it
[11:44] <CellarDoor> pfft
[11:44] <nikkia> for some reason...
[11:44] <kay> I guess, you can't blame a distribution for being older than 3.4
[11:44] <nikkia> whenever i see someone mention mepis, i think of morphix
[11:44] <kay> Or not every hardware working out of the box
[11:44] <Aapzak> nikkia: I understand, I just like to think about language. If hate is used as dislike. What would you have to say the mean the old hate?
[11:44] <kay> Give peace a chance, Mepis has some merrits too
[11:44] <nikkia> Aapzak: *shrug*
[11:44] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: do you have the link for me?
[11:45] <kay> Aapzak: Like badly :p
[11:45] <Aapzak> :)
[11:45] <kay> I mean, as a user you need to pay respect
[11:45] <kay> And when you come to the channel and need support
[11:45] <Aapzak> it's allright, you can use the word. I just mean the real hate, the oldfashion way, if you feel that, that can't be healthy :)
[11:45] <kay> How about being grateful, how about expecting not perfect reactions and being glad you get help?
[11:45] <nikkia> Aapzak: i know what you mean, i just can't think of any modern equivalent
[11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Sorry, sorry. Forgot about you.
[11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/06/msg01160.html
[11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I think this is the one
[11:46] <Aapzak> Rogue_Jedi_X: tnx
[11:46] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: that's a recent resurgance of the issue
[11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> o_O
[11:46] <kay> That trademark issue is indeed at the core of a real problem
[11:46] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: the issue has been a recurring flamefest since about mid-last-year
[11:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Recent? There was something BEFORE?
[11:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Jeeze
[11:47] <CellarDoor> trademark ?
[11:47] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: soone or later people start slinging 'lets drop firefox from debian completely, that'll show them' strategems around :)
[11:47] <kay> Yeah, they let you change the code as you want.
[11:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, I'm reading that right now, actually :P
[11:47] <kay> But then you are not allowed to call it Firefox
[11:47] <kay> Just as it always was with Redhat
[11:47] <kay> Change it any way you like, just don't call it the same name
[11:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> What's the big deal then. Make the changes needed for security reason and call it Firefucks
[11:48] <kay> The same applies to Debian, can't change it and use their name still
[11:48] <nikkia> kay, personally, i think its a perfectly acceptable situation, but i don't want to start another flamefest :P
[11:48] <kay> The big deal is that Debian is supposed to be the base of other distributions
[11:48] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: the real issue is weirder than that...
[11:48] <kay> And that you can take things from there and are not limited in "main".
[11:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> nikkia: Am I curious enough to know what it is?
[11:49] <nikkia> Rogue_Jedi_X: mozilla have granted debian the right to still call it firefox, all the hand wringing is about potential sub-distros that base on debian
[11:49] <kay> Software with "You are not allowed to change this" are regarded non-free by everybody who thinks of freedom
[11:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Like Ubuntu?
[11:49] <kay> Yes, e.g.
[11:49] <nikkia> kay, the problem, from mozilla's POV, is that firefox means more than just a few letters
[11:50] <kay> Everybody distributing modified firefox is at legal risk
[11:50] <nikkia> kay, if people start throwing about wildly modified 'firefox's, then it dilutes the 'brand image' of firefox as a competent web browser
[11:50] <kay> It is a trademark, a reserved word so to say
[11:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Fair enough
[11:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Firefox is the current browser of choice, after all
[11:50] <kay> nikkia: That brand image thing is all strange to me... they should not focus so much on one product
[11:50] <nikkia> kay, and remember, linux is trademarked with similar issues, too
[11:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> (Just wish it wasn't gnome based)
[11:51] <Aapzak> Konqueror is my browser
[11:51] <kay> The linux trademark was originally not done by Linus
[11:51] <Aapzak> it integrates nicely with KDE
[11:51] <kay> They were attempted to be blackmailed, suggested make money schemes
[11:51] <Aapzak> and its apps
[11:52] <kay> Then it was transferred and now some strange org is trying to finance itself from it
[11:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Aapzak: Yeah, but I like some of Firefox's features better. Like the ability to select a search engine from the pull-down menu or the very nice search function
[11:52] <kay> Aapzak: For all I hear, Konqueror will be getting Gecko backend too, elimating the need for Firefox completely
[11:53] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: That is in KDE next too.
[11:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Now that would be awesome
[11:53] <Aapzak> Firefox is way more compatible with faulty sites, I just like to use Konqueror when possible
[11:53] <kay> For the user it would be much more simple if one browser offered both free rendering engines
[11:53] <Aapzak> so no more safari/khtml engine?
[11:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kay: What's KDE next?
[11:53] <nikkia> kay, it'd be even nicer if you could define rendering engine on a per site basis :)
[11:54] <kay> still, so, Aapzak , just something from a menu that you can select
[11:54] <Aapzak> yeah, that would be nice indeed
[11:54] <kay> nikkia: Dunno how that is going to be, AFAIK Dirk Mller does that thing, and he sure knows how to do things well
[11:54] <Aapzak> I'd opt for IE rendering then ;)
[11:54] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: 3.5
[11:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right
[11:55] <kay> I saw it on some preview article
[11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Duh
[11:55] <nikkia> Aapzak: get MSHTML working via wine, and you probably could :P
[11:55] <Aapzak> I had it working once, 
[11:55] <Aapzak> IE in wine
[11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kay: You wouldn't happen to have the URL to it, would you?
[11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> The article, I mean
[11:55] <kay> Not without google :p
[11:55] <Aapzak> needed to have that for Half-Life2 / Counterstrike
[11:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dang it
[11:55] <CellarDoor> sif use IE
[11:56] <Aapzak> sif?
[11:56] <nikkia> Aapzak: probably a wild misspell of sith
[11:56] <Aapzak> :)
[11:56] <kay> http://jrepin.blogspot.com/2005/08/jlps-kde-35-previews-part-2.html
[11:56] <kay> Rogue_Jedi_X: There it is, was on dot.kde.org
[11:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Thanks, kay 
[11:57] <kay> I liked IE3.0 in the days
[11:57] <CellarDoor> I have a friend who runs HL2 on his ubuntu/SuSE system... as far as I know he doesn't use IE
[11:57] <nikkia> besides, if 2 people in the universe use IE, it barely makes much difference, now, if CellarDoor had said 'dark jedi' then it'd be a different matter :P
[11:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> CellarDoor: Maybe it's a Steam thing
[11:57] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: I while ago it was needed
[11:57] <kay> Actually, I never liked Netscape or any Mozilla so far... :p
[11:57] <Aapzak> for steam indeed
[11:57] <Mustafa^^> hi alls
[11:58] <CellarDoor> hello
[11:58] <Aapzak> hi
[11:58] <kay> Hello :)
[11:58] <Mustafa^^> How do I update KDE 3.4.0 to 3.4.2
[11:58] <Mustafa^^> I added apt sources
[11:58] <kay> Mustafa^^: Follow the URL in topic
[11:59] <kay> Mustafa^^: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[11:59] <Mustafa^^> I saw this link but I couln't update
[11:59] <CellarDoor> hi aseigo
[11:59] <kay> Mustafa^^: Do you get an error message?
[11:59] <Aapzak> Mustafa^^: why not?
[11:59] <Mustafa^^> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ?       
[11:59] <kay> Grats aseigo to your sponsoring :)
[11:59] <Rogue_Jedi_X> y
[12:00] <aseigo> kay: thanks =)
[12:00] <Mustafa^^> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? y
[12:00] <Mustafa^^> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[12:00] <aseigo> CellarDoor: hey =)
[12:00] <kay> They are unofficial packages Mustafa^^, that is why you got the question
[12:00] <CellarDoor> :)
[12:00] <Mustafa^^> ok. kay thanx
[12:00] <kay> Oh, you say y and they still fail?
[12:01] <Mustafa^^> yeah
[12:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> This is where I sit back and watch how the experts do it
[12:01] <Aapzak> Mustafa^^: you're using hoary sources for your other packages? or still on warty?
[12:01] <CellarDoor> I killed my KDE :(
[12:01] <kay> I am going to look at that
[12:02] <Aapzak> lets not ask CellarDoor about this 3.4.2 :)
[12:02] <mike1_> greetings
[12:02] <Aapzak> hi
[12:02] <CellarDoor> I haven't fixed it yet
[12:02] <mike1_> just tested sound NG 
[12:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> CellarDoor: Have you notified its next of kin?
[12:02] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: how on earth did you kill it?
[12:02] <CellarDoor> ah well...
[12:03] <mike1_> sound drums work and sign on works but aplay and audacity and everything else ng
[12:03] <kay> oops.. :p
[12:03] <CellarDoor> It all started when I decided I'd like to get kcontrol back in my kmenu (as it wasn't there after I upgraded to 3.4.2)
[12:03] <CellarDoor> I should have just left it alone
[12:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I added it myself
[12:03] <nikkia> mike, try artsplay
[12:04] <Aapzak> CellarDoor: you killed your config or whole KDE?
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> o.0
[12:04] <c0rrupt_> 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
[12:04] <CellarDoor> ah lets just say Konqueror is no more :P
[12:04] <Aapzak> try moving your .kde dir somewhere else?
[12:04] <kay> c0rrupt_: hrm?
[12:04] <nikkia> mike1_: chances are, you're getting hit by arts locking the sound driver, you either need to switch other apps to use arts, or configure dmix, (there are more complex and exotic solutions however)
[12:04] <mike1_> nikkia: looks like it works but no sound