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| marco_g | hi | 12:13 |
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| marco_g | Hopefully this is the right channel for my question. | 12:14 |
| marco_g | I am a GRUB (GRUB2) developer and looking for some advise. | 12:14 |
| marco_g | On the grub-devel mailinglist we had a discussion about what kind of features the new GRUB should have so a nice interface can be implemented. | 12:15 |
| marco_g | But that is a discussion between developers, which can be rather useless I guess. I hope you guys can have a look at the discussion (there are archives) and share your ideas. | 12:15 |
| marco_g | In case ubuntu developers are interested to cooperate with GRUB developers. | 12:16 |
| AndyFitz | marco_g this is a great topic for discussion. could you point me to the archives ? | 12:23 |
| marco_g | http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2005-08/msg00104.html | 12:25 |
| marco_g | It's all in this thread. | 12:25 |
| marco_g | The first email is not really interesting, it is about a patch. | 12:25 |
| marco_g | But the following discussion is also about what should be present for a nice interface. | 12:26 |
| AndyFitz | yeah its totally confusing . but the rest of the thread is quite interesting | 12:27 |
| marco_g | Currently GRUB (even the old GRUB used in ubuntu) has no fancy interface at all. The interface some distributions use are some ugly patches, etc. | 12:27 |
| marco_g | Ubuntu uses one of these patches, now we want good support in upstream. | 12:28 |
| AndyFitz | yeah fedoras one is quite yuck ( however nicer since we get that vga-image love ) | 12:28 |
| AndyFitz | I'm actually using fedoras grub modified with a ubuntu theme ;) ( I dual boot for work ) | 12:29 |
| marco_g | :-) | 12:30 |
| AndyFitz | so its only possible to have vga at the bootloader ?. thats fair enough. the Usplash guys have that same problem | 12:30 |
| marco_g | We will have VESA support, which is even better. | 12:30 |
| AndyFitz | OMFG I just read that | 12:30 |
| AndyFitz | !!!!!!!!! | 12:30 |
| AndyFitz | to a graphics guy this is like turning grapes into a fine wine.. and then getting drunk | 12:31 |
| marco_g | lol | 12:32 |
| marco_g | VESA means that you can have all kinds of graphics modes. | 12:32 |
| marco_g | The GRUB Legacy patches for the splashimages have all kinds of weird limitations AFAIK. | 12:33 |
| marco_g | AndyFitz: So what would be interesting for us are the two following things: | 12:34 |
| marco_g | 1) What do you think of all the existing graphical bootloaders (patches for GRUB Legacy, lilo) | 12:35 |
| marco_g | 2) What can we do to make a fancy interface? | 12:35 |
| ogra | marco_g, VESA wont be in ubuntu | 12:35 |
| marco_g | ogra: What do you mean? | 12:36 |
| ogra | we have to bear with vga16fb | 12:36 |
| marco_g | ogra: Why? | 12:36 |
| ogra | we wont accept VESA in ubuntu | 12:36 |
| marco_g | Why not? | 12:36 |
| ogra | because suspend/resume doesnt work on the majority ofsystems with VESA | 12:36 |
| ogra | thats why usplash is vga16fb | 12:36 |
| marco_g | ogra: In that case ubuntu can use the other video drivers in GRUB2. | 12:37 |
| marco_g | ogra: Why doesn't suspend/resume work? | 12:37 |
| marco_g | And why is that a problem for a bootloader? | 12:38 |
| ogra | marco_g, talk to mjg59 about that.... i'm not the suspend/resume guy :) | 12:38 |
| marco_g | Can you point me to some discussion about that topic? | 12:38 |
| marco_g | ok, I will :) | 12:38 |
| ogra | there was one on the ubuntu-devel list | 12:38 |
| ogra | where he explained it a bit... | 12:39 |
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| marco_g | ok | 12:42 |
| ogra | marco_g, mjg59 is in #ubuntu-devel currently | 12:59 |
| AndyFitz | marco_g aaahh this is what I remember from a conversation from mjg59 | 01:05 |
| AndyFitz | hes the fun police when it comes to non-vga16fb | 01:06 |
| AndyFitz | 1 I think the existing implementations are better than what we have now . but id like vesa ( although its not going to happen ) | 01:06 |
| ogra | i'm not sure if it applies for the bootloader too though... but you will need to switch to vga16fb as soon as the kernel is responsible... that will look like crap... | 01:07 |
| AndyFitz | 2 id really like it to use the same format ( visually ) as the Usplash bootloader when displaying text / using colours from the palette | 01:07 |
| marco_g | ogra: I have /query'ed him. It won't be a problem if we switch back to VGA before booting the kernel. | 01:17 |
| ogra | it will look very ugly :) | 01:19 |
| marco_g | I do not know :) | 01:20 |
| ogra | switching from full color to 16 color will look ugly :) | 01:22 |
| marco_g | Right. | 01:25 |
| marco_g | But I think 16 colors are also possible from GRUB using the vga driver. | 01:25 |
| marco_g | Not that I would use it myself. :) | 01:25 |
| ogra | heh | 01:26 |
| ogra | 16 colors look ok if you got a high resolution :) but we only have 640x480 available ... | 01:27 |
| marco_g | Right... | 01:27 |
| ogra | so you get hit by the dithering right in the face *hudder* | 01:27 |
| marco_g | Hi-res 16 colors is also VESA. | 01:28 |
| marco_g | Well, I assume ubuntu will use high res, 32 bits colors on other non-VESA systems. :) | 01:28 |
| marco_g | PPC, etc. | 01:29 |
| marco_g | But if you guys have any suggestions about a nice interface, please contact me (IRC or metgerards@student.han.nl) or the GRUB developers (grub-devel@gnu.org, you have to be subscribed before you can post :-/) | 01:31 |
| AndyFitz | ogra, well not really dithering just the biliniear blurring | 01:31 |
| ogra | heh, yes | 01:32 |
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| ogra | ugliness... in any case :) | 01:32 |
| AndyFitz | marco_g fore the artTeam preferred stuff it would really be cool to be the same as Usplash. as far as text font layout positioning and colours | 01:32 |
| marco_g | AndyFitz: Do you have any screenshots of that? | 01:34 |
| ogra | marco_g, there is no artwork yet | 01:34 |
| ogra | just a placeholder.... | 01:35 |
| AndyFitz | marco_g, sadly no because Usplash isnt finished. it would be best to talk to mjg59 but I can do a mockup | 01:35 |
| AndyFitz | at 640x480 16 | 01:35 |
| ogra | i wonder if we could have a widescreen image that gets cut down dynamically to 640x480.... on my widescreen display it looks terrible stretched | 01:36 |
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| AndyFitz | ogra, I have a widescreen too. matthew said it would be possible | 01:51 |
| AndyFitz | for Usplash. but this was a long time ago ( mentioned at UDU ) | 01:52 |
| ogra | great :) | 01:52 |
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