=== Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["This] === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === Seveas [n=seveas@ksl403-uva-141.wireless.uva.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === gothcat_ [i=gothcat@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === gothcat_ [i=gothcat@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === gothcat_ [i=gothcat@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === gothcat_ is now known as gothcat === ormiret [n=ormiret@dsl-80-43-67-75.access.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ogra [n=ogra@p5089DC22.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === gothcat [i=gothcat@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Lmnar"] === morgo [n=morgo@cust0753.qld01.dataco.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === marco_g [n=marco@gnu/the-hurd/marco] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:13] hi [12:14] Hopefully this is the right channel for my question. [12:14] I am a GRUB (GRUB2) developer and looking for some advise. [12:15] On the grub-devel mailinglist we had a discussion about what kind of features the new GRUB should have so a nice interface can be implemented. [12:15] But that is a discussion between developers, which can be rather useless I guess. I hope you guys can have a look at the discussion (there are archives) and share your ideas. [12:16] In case ubuntu developers are interested to cooperate with GRUB developers. [12:23] marco_g this is a great topic for discussion. could you point me to the archives ? [12:25] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2005-08/msg00104.html [12:25] It's all in this thread. [12:25] The first email is not really interesting, it is about a patch. [12:26] But the following discussion is also about what should be present for a nice interface. [12:27] yeah its totally confusing . but the rest of the thread is quite interesting [12:27] Currently GRUB (even the old GRUB used in ubuntu) has no fancy interface at all. The interface some distributions use are some ugly patches, etc. [12:28] Ubuntu uses one of these patches, now we want good support in upstream. [12:28] yeah fedoras one is quite yuck ( however nicer since we get that vga-image love ) [12:29] I'm actually using fedoras grub modified with a ubuntu theme ;) ( I dual boot for work ) [12:30] :-) [12:30] so its only possible to have vga at the bootloader ?. thats fair enough. the Usplash guys have that same problem [12:30] We will have VESA support, which is even better. [12:30] OMFG I just read that [12:30] !!!!!!!!! [12:31] to a graphics guy this is like turning grapes into a fine wine.. and then getting drunk [12:32] lol [12:32] VESA means that you can have all kinds of graphics modes. [12:33] The GRUB Legacy patches for the splashimages have all kinds of weird limitations AFAIK. [12:34] AndyFitz: So what would be interesting for us are the two following things: [12:35] 1) What do you think of all the existing graphical bootloaders (patches for GRUB Legacy, lilo) [12:35] 2) What can we do to make a fancy interface? [12:35] marco_g, VESA wont be in ubuntu [12:36] ogra: What do you mean? [12:36] we have to bear with vga16fb [12:36] ogra: Why? [12:36] we wont accept VESA in ubuntu [12:36] Why not? [12:36] because suspend/resume doesnt work on the majority ofsystems with VESA [12:36] thats why usplash is vga16fb [12:37] ogra: In that case ubuntu can use the other video drivers in GRUB2. [12:37] ogra: Why doesn't suspend/resume work? [12:38] And why is that a problem for a bootloader? [12:38] marco_g, talk to mjg59 about that.... i'm not the suspend/resume guy :) [12:38] Can you point me to some discussion about that topic? [12:38] ok, I will :) [12:38] there was one on the ubuntu-devel list [12:39] where he explained it a bit... === kafeine [n=kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:42] ok [12:59] marco_g, mjg59 is in #ubuntu-devel currently [01:05] marco_g aaahh this is what I remember from a conversation from mjg59 [01:06] hes the fun police when it comes to non-vga16fb [01:06] 1 I think the existing implementations are better than what we have now . but id like vesa ( although its not going to happen ) [01:07] i'm not sure if it applies for the bootloader too though... but you will need to switch to vga16fb as soon as the kernel is responsible... that will look like crap... [01:07] 2 id really like it to use the same format ( visually ) as the Usplash bootloader when displaying text / using colours from the palette [01:17] ogra: I have /query'ed him. It won't be a problem if we switch back to VGA before booting the kernel. [01:19] it will look very ugly :) [01:20] I do not know :) [01:22] switching from full color to 16 color will look ugly :) [01:25] Right. [01:25] But I think 16 colors are also possible from GRUB using the vga driver. [01:25] Not that I would use it myself. :) [01:26] heh [01:27] 16 colors look ok if you got a high resolution :) but we only have 640x480 available ... [01:27] Right... [01:27] so you get hit by the dithering right in the face *hudder* [01:28] Hi-res 16 colors is also VESA. [01:28] Well, I assume ubuntu will use high res, 32 bits colors on other non-VESA systems. :) [01:29] PPC, etc. [01:31] But if you guys have any suggestions about a nice interface, please contact me (IRC or metgerards@student.han.nl) or the GRUB developers (grub-devel@gnu.org, you have to be subscribed before you can post :-/) [01:31] ogra, well not really dithering just the biliniear blurring [01:32] heh, yes === bachler [n=alexande@62.101.48.81] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:32] ugliness... in any case :) [01:32] marco_g fore the artTeam preferred stuff it would really be cool to be the same as Usplash. as far as text font layout positioning and colours [01:34] AndyFitz: Do you have any screenshots of that? [01:34] marco_g, there is no artwork yet [01:35] just a placeholder.... [01:35] marco_g, sadly no because Usplash isnt finished. it would be best to talk to mjg59 but I can do a mockup [01:35] at 640x480 16 [01:36] i wonder if we could have a widescreen image that gets cut down dynamically to 640x480.... on my widescreen display it looks terrible stretched === warthylog [n=warthylo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Topic for #ubuntu-artwork: BAM PoW Zip wOw - Ubuntu Artwork === Topic (#ubuntu-artwork): set by AndyFitz at Tue Aug 9 02:23:45 2005 [01:51] ogra, I have a widescreen too. matthew said it would be possible [01:52] for Usplash. but this was a long time ago ( mentioned at UDU ) [01:52] great :) === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] === bachler [n=alexande@62.101.48.81] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ormiret [n=ormiret@dsl-80-43-67-75.access.as9105.com] has left #ubuntu-artwork ["Leaving"] === kafeine [n=kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089EAE4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Danten [n=danten@h35n7c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-artwork === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D780.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === kafeine [n=kori@212.39.73.142] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === bachler [n=alexande@62.101.48.81] has joined #ubuntu-artwork