[12:07] <seb128> 'night mvo
[12:07] <mvo> night seb128!
[12:49] <whiprush> sa`heal
[01:12] <tseng> whiprush: wha`meal?
[01:21] <whiprush>  that was me typing a cheatcode for a game into the totally wrong window. :)
[01:21] <tseng> cheater!
[01:21] <tseng> get back to the fridge
[01:21] <Nafallo> whiprush: gamer!
[01:21] <tseng> damn gamers
[01:24] <Nafallo> jdub: thanx for showing up, reminds me to send you mail :-).
[01:34] <Nafallo> jdub: sent :-)
[01:44] <Nafallo> jdub: sent to correct address (hopefully) ;-)
[02:41] <mxpxpod> is gnome-screensaver going to be the default at some point?
[02:45] <jdub> mxpxpod: maybe not for breezy
[02:45] <mxpxpod> jdub: is there a way to get it to use xscreensaver hacks?
[02:46] <jdub> yes, it supports them straight out; you have to mod some config to show them though
[02:46] <mxpxpod> ah, ok
[02:57] <dabaR> is anyone awake and a op at #ubuntu? just to take voice from this guy that every few minutes tells us he is away, ClipS
[03:04] <ogra> mxpxpod, sudo ln -s /usr/lib/xscreensaver/bouboule /usr/lib/gnome-screensaver/gnome-screensaver
[03:04] <ogra> mxpxpod,  sudo ln -s /usr/share/xscreensaver/config/bouboule.xml /usr/share/gnome-screensaver/themes
[03:04] <mxpxpod> ogra: ah, thanks!
[03:04] <ogra> mxpxpod, would give you bouboule :)
[03:04] <ogra> you can even just link the whole directory
[03:05] <ogra> s/directory/directorys
[03:05] <mxpxpod> now, to figure out the dpi problems I'm having with my monitor...
[03:06] <mxpxpod> firefox fonts are huge and I've heard it has something to do with my xorg config
[03:19] <mdz> lamont-away: around?
[03:19] <lamont-away> yeah
[03:19] <mdz> lamont-away: terranova and royal have either runaway live builds or stale lockfiles
[03:20] <lamont> mdz: checking
[03:20] <mdz> thanks
[03:20] <mdz> king OTOH is chugging away merrily
[03:21] <mdz> (I just tried to start a build on all three, and the terranova and royal ones are blocked on lockfile)
[03:21] <LinuxJones> Can someone please pop into #ubuntu and kick ClipS he has notifications on and spams some useless bs every 2 minutes.
[03:24] <lamont> mdz: terranova is mid-build on one, with one pending....
[03:25] <lamont> royal I just killed the process, give me a couple minutes, and you can probably run one... 
[03:25] <lamont> just a minute
[03:25] <lamont> mdz: looks like royal is all cleaned up - holler if I lied
[03:26] <mdz> I think I need to wait; apparently I need another cron.daily
[03:26] <lamont> terranova is compressing one now, btw
[03:26] <mdz> interesting
[03:26] <mdz> base perhaps?
[03:26] <mdz> I can't imagine desktop succeeded
[03:27] <lamont> note that at 18:15 Pacific, all the chroots update, 20:15 is kubuntu, and 22:15 is ubuntu.  base starts at 00:00 pacific
[03:27] <lamont> yes, base
[03:28] <mdz> hmm
[03:28] <mdz> chroots = buildd chroots, right?
[03:28] <mdz> the livecd builds create a fresh chroot each time?
[03:28] <lamont> yeah
[03:29] <lamont> the livecd is a pseudo-root (aka chroot) built inside of another chroot.  and, uh, yeah, there might be a little bit of a race as the outer chroot is freshened in the middle of you doing something
[03:30] <lamont> but the bulk of the time is spent either installing inside the inner chroot, or compressing the image, etc.  running binaries that require little, and change very infrequently
[03:31] <mdz> so I should be clear to trigger all 3 once this upcoming cron.daily finishes?
[03:31] <shaya> mdz: http://hdaps.sourceforge.net/ you guys should keep on an eye on this
[03:31] <shaya> hd active protection system support for thinkpads 
[03:31] <lamont> mdz: I would expect so
[03:31] <mdz> shaya: mjg59 is probably interested
[03:32] <mdz> lamont: do the builds not exit+cleanup when they receive a signal?
[03:32] <mdz> last week I lost the ssh connection for the trigger and the lockfile stayed around forever
[03:32] <mdz> (until I got infinity to clean it up)
[03:34] <mjg59> The hdaps driver isn't actually useful until we get ide-queue freezing into the kernel
[03:35] <mxpxpod> ok, why isn't mkisofs creating ISO 9660 format isos?
[03:35] <lamont> mdz: ew
[03:36] <mxpxpod> mkisofs -J -R -iso-level 3 -input-charset iso8859-1 -o blah.iso ma101_v2.4.zip
[03:36] <mxpxpod> isoinfo -i blah.iso CD-ROM is NOT in ISO 9660 format
[03:37] <shaya> mjg59: game input!
[03:37] <shaya> :)
[03:38] <mjg59> shaya: Hnngh.
[03:38] <shaya> mjg59: you never played marball madness? :)
[03:38] <shaya> or any of those labrynth games
[03:38] <mxpxpod> has anyone seen that problem on breezy?
[03:44] <mdz> mxpxpod: it would be better to ask on #ubuntu
[04:12] <mdz> lamont: also, I'm still getting a 403 on http://king.buildd/~buildd/livecd/kubuntu/current/livecd.kubuntu.manifest
[04:12] <lamont> mdz: yep.
[04:12] <mdz> lamont: is that just because it hasn't built in a while?
[04:12] <lamont> pretty much - see the other window
[04:12] <mdz> oh, hell
[04:12] <mdz> all my CD builds have been broken because permissions on little's mirror are broken
[04:12] <mdz> drwxr-sr-x  2 cjwatson cdimage 4096 Aug 15 20:34 /srv/cdimage.no-name-yet.com/ftp/dists/breezy/main/binary-i386/
[04:12] <mdz> elmo: still awake?
[04:12] <mdz> I like how it goes on to build the ISOs and everything and acts like it succeeded
[04:12] <elmo> unfortunately
[04:12] <mdz> elmo: can you bail me out?  was planning to spend the rest of the evening trying to make colony 3
[04:13] <elmo> mdz: I chmod g+w'ed ftp/
[04:13] <mdz> thanks
[04:25] <mdz> there is an elmo40 over on #ltsp
[04:25] <mdz> how confusing
[04:25] <elmo> I can be elmo400 if it'd help
[04:26] <mdz> elmo3.14159
[04:59] <infinity> Why wake up and work, when you can wake up and fight with your computer?  Yay.
[05:06] <dilinger> infinity: who's winning?
[05:09] <bob2> not england!
[05:12] <infinity> dilinger : Well, it's booted now and I'm typing on IRC, which is a distinct improvement.
[05:14] <calc> anyone know if the lib32 amd64 stuff is going to get libstdc++.so.6 soon?
[05:14] <dilinger> infinity: maybe you need to move up a weight category.  wanna fight my 280? :)
[05:15] <fabbione> morning
[05:16] <infinity> dilinger : I'd love to, but I assume no one's managed to wrangle hosting for it yet.
[05:16] <dilinger> :/
[05:17] <dilinger> stephen was working on it, but i haven't heard any status updates lately
[05:20] <infinity> Meh.  Just ship it to me.  Of course, intercontinental shipping for a machine that big probably costs more than the machine itself is worth.
[05:46] <mdz> infinity: any idea what happened to the kubuntu livefs build on king?
[05:47] <mdz> infinity: it exited successfully, but didn't produce a cloop, and the log file sort of ends abruptly in the middle of what otherwise looks like a successful run
[05:47] <mdz> Setting up ttf-bitstream-vera (1.10-3ubuntu1) ...
[05:47] <mdz> Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file
[05:47] <mdz> Regenerating fonts cache...
[05:47] <mdz> (END)
[05:50] <infinity> mdz : Neat.  No idea, but I'll poke at it right now.
[05:50] <mdz> I hope it didn't run out of disk or anything fun like that
[05:50] <infinity> 52GB free right now.
[05:50] <infinity> If it did, it's since righted itself.
[05:50] <mdz> terranova exited successfully after 43 minutes and left a 0-byte logfile and no cloop
[05:51] <infinity> Wow, you're getting all sorts of love today.
[05:51] <mdz> such is my lot
[05:52] <mdz> these are the rewards of building milestone releases
[05:52] <mdz> on the bright side, the ubuntu ones actually built and mostly work
[05:52] <infinity> kubuntu looks uninstallible anyway.
[05:53] <infinity> mdz : Erm, which build on king died mid-sentence?
[05:53] <infinity> mdz : All the logs look complete to me.
[05:54] <mdz> kubuntu
[05:54] <mdz> livecd-20050816.3-amd64.out
[05:54] <mdz> oh, whoa
[05:54] <mdz> it's complete now
[05:55] <infinity> Output buffering of somee sort messing with your head, perhaps?
[05:55] <infinity> Anyhow, you have 2 or 3 builds in a row with a log shockingly similar to that one.
[05:56] <mdz> I checked it well after the ssh exited
[05:56] <infinity> Weird.
[05:56] <mdz> yeah, I've uploaded a kubuntu-default-settings now which should fix that
[05:57] <infinity> Oh, terranova is mid-build right now..
[05:57] <mdz> oh?  the trigger exited
[05:57] <infinity> A quick poke at the previous log leads me to believe that you'll fail with the same problem as king, though.
[05:58] <infinity> The trigger could have exited cause you lost your connection, I suppose.
[05:58] <infinity> Are you triggering from home, through chinstrap?
[05:59] <infinity> Cause I lose connectivity over the proxy all the time.
[06:00] <infinity> And there it fails.  Same as the log on king.
[06:01] <mdz> amd64 install, amd64 live and powerpc install are all releasable by Colony standards
[06:02] <infinity> 3 out of 6 ain't bad... :)
[06:02] <mdz> if folks could download and test the current i386 daily install and live CDs, that would be helpful
[06:02] <mdz> infinity: well, 100% of what I've tested so far ;-)
[06:02] <Lathiat> i'll rsync mine up now
[06:02] <Lathiat> whats the rsync server?
[06:02] <Lathiat> rsync::cdimage.ubuntu.com ?
[06:04] <Lathiat> ah, indeed
[06:13] <mdz> +1 powerpc-live
[06:16] <fabbione> hey mdz...
[06:16] <fabbione> mdz: i saw you are planning to release Colony 3
[06:16] <fabbione> what's the ETA for it?
[06:16] <mdz> fabbione: it's 2/3 tested
[06:17] <mdz> 2/3 tested by me that is
[06:17] <fabbione> mdz: ok great...
[06:17] <mdz> it needs more testing by other people
[06:17] <mdz> like yourself :-)
[06:17] <fabbione> mdz: meh.. i am still catching up on all the stuff post-holidays but yeah.. i can give i386 a shot
[06:18] <fabbione> mdz: is i386 published already?
[06:22] <mdz> +1 i386-live
[06:23] <mdz> known bugs: oo.o2/amd64 doesn't work, virtual console switching on the live CD is messed up so you don't see all of the messages, and the keyboard layout on the live CD isn't properly guessed
[06:23] <mdz> but it's been so long since we had a proper milestone that I don't consider those showstoppers
[06:24] <mdz> I'd really like to fix the keyboard layout thing on the live CD if I have time, but I expect I won't
[06:25] <ajmitch> ouch, 5k/sec rsync
[06:26] <mdz> hopefully that means lots of people are quietly testing ;-)
[06:26] <ajmitch> I hope so :)
[06:27] <mdz> I got about 250kbyte/sec on my set
[06:28] <ajmitch> wget is doing about 30K/sec, so it could just be congestion somewhere 
[06:29] <fabbione> i guess Global Crossing is actually doomed...
[06:29] <fabbione> i can't even connect to .uk from .dk
[06:35] <ds> I just accidentally uploaded a sid package to the ubuntu queue.  does this matter greatly?
[06:35] <bob2> presumably it will be rejected for having an invalid suite name
[06:36] <ajmitch> and for being a binary package
[06:36] <ds> ok, cool
[06:41] <mdz> and because your key isn't in the keyring
[06:41] <mdz> that upload is doomed several times over ;-)
[06:45] <mdz> infinity: my livefs build script just bailed (due to a bug in the script) and given past behaviour, I suspect the running builds, if any, either continued on or didn't clean up after themselves.  could you check?
[06:46] <infinity> mdz : Any specific arch/target?
[06:46] <mdz> infinity: kubuntu x3
[06:47] <infinity> Looks to be still running, yes.
[06:47] <mdz> all of them?
[06:49] <infinity> Erm all except for powerpc, cause I can't reach the host..
[06:49] <infinity> Ugh.
[06:52] <infinity> You broke royal, didn't you? :)
[06:53] <infinity> elmo : Royal fell over.  Are we ready for a new kernel yet?  Huh, huh?
[06:53] <mdz> I sincerely hope elmo is asleep
[06:54] <mdz> +1 i386-install
[06:54] <mdz> I am 6/6 with the above caveats
[06:55] <infinity> He claims to be asleep, yes.  On the other hand, he seems to dilingently review nick hilights when he wakes up.
[07:10] <mdz> kubuntu/amd64 looks pretty happy
[07:18] <fabbione> infinity: any idea why redhat cluster suite build log is not on people?
[07:18] <fabbione> (for ppc)
[07:18] <fabbione> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/r/redhat-cluster-suite/1.20050815-0ubuntu1/ <-
[07:19] <mdz> anyone tested the daily yet?
[07:20] <fabbione> mdz: still rsyncing here.. i have bw issues with global crossing towards uk
[07:20] <Lathiat> mdz: im getting the i386 daily install and live atm
[07:20] <Lathiat> rsync is nearly done on the install
[07:28] <infinity> fabbione : Because it's still building?
[07:28] <fabbione> infinity: meh.. i did upload it yesterday...
[07:28] <fabbione> is ppc lagging behind?
[07:29] <infinity> Hrm.  It built.  Curious.
[07:30] <infinity> Never got uploaded (the binaries or the log..)
[07:33] <infinity> Oh well, will fix.
[07:33] <fabbione> ehehhe
[07:33] <infinity> Probably has something to do with the 6 gig mail messages we were shoving around a day or two ago due to an infinite loop in a chroot.
[07:33] <fabbione> ROTFL
[07:34] <HrdwrBoB> nice work
[07:37] <Lathiat> heh nice
[07:39] <Burgundavia> mjg59, that standard format is paying off
[07:40] <Lathiat> what standard?
[07:40] <jsgotangco> whoa that's a lot of community entries
[07:41] <Burgundavia> Lathiat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template
[07:42] <Lathiat> oh
[07:42] <Lathiat> right
[07:46] <infinity> Oh, FFS.
[07:46] <infinity> Maybe if postfix had been RUNNING on ross, the logs would have gotten off the machine.
[07:46] <mike_douglas> I've creating a package for a python program that uses distutils. In setup.py, the program tries to check for dependencies. Should I remove this part since it isn't needed to build the package and rather specify it under "Depends:"?
[07:47] <infinity> It's a good safeguard to make sure you got your biuld-depends right, why remove it?
[07:47] <Lathiat> mike_douglas: it shouldnt be removed, you should have both
[07:49] <mike_douglas> alright, thanks.
[07:56] <infinity> fabbione : rhcs rescued, thanks for the heads-up.
[07:59] <Mithrandir> mdz: it's ok for you if I upload the new casper with unionfs support (and turned on by default) as soon as the kernel udebs for unionfs are in the archive?
[08:00] <infinity> Mithrandir : You might want to wait until he's blessed the current builds as "good enough" for colony 3. :)
[08:00] <infinity> (Just a guess, though)
[08:01] <mdz> Mithrandir: please don't
[08:01] <Mithrandir> infinity: well, we need a new kernel which needs NEW love so it's not "today", it's more "tomorrow or so".
[08:02] <Mithrandir> mdz: what about post-colony3?
[08:02] <fabbione> infinity: thanks
[08:02] <mdz> Mithrandir: feature freeze was last thursday
[08:03] <mdz> I thought it was understood that that was a "maybe if we can squeeze it in before feature freeze" sort of item
[08:03] <fabbione> humpf...
[08:04] <Mithrandir> mdz: ok.  Do you want me to finish up the automount integration I've started on, or should that wait?
[08:05] <mdz> Mithrandir: same story; it's time to run with what we have
[08:05] <mdz> the preview release is sooner than you think
[08:05] <Mithrandir> mdz: sure, I meant more so it's ready for breezy+1, but if you've got other stuff I should concentrate on, please tell me
[08:06] <mdz> Mithrandir: first priority is to get oo.o2 working on amd64
[08:06] <Mithrandir> that's just a missing dependency, but I'll get to that straight away.
[08:06] <mdz> it's very important
[08:08] <mdz> after that, fixing the d-i->xorg keyboard autodetection in the live CD
[08:08] <mdz> basically, the caveats for colony 3
[08:08] <mdz> which is going to go out despite these warts
[08:12] <mdz> though I would like at least one confirmation that it works for someone other than me
[08:13] <Mithrandir> I can test live, but I don't have a spare box for testing installs on yet.
[08:19] <mdz> I reverted all the debconf-copydb stuff from casper and went back to the old way of doing it, and still it doesn't work properly
[08:19] <mdz> it's beet bitrotting so long that it's probably been broken in more than one way
[08:20] <Mithrandir> I'll give it a shot after doing ooo2-amd64
[08:20] <Mithrandir> ls
[08:20] <Mithrandir> argh
[08:23] <doko> good morning
[08:25] <Mithrandir> doko: should ooo2-core (on amd64) depend on or recommend lib32gcj6?
[08:29] <doko> Mithrandir: should be put in the same places as java-gcj-compat, i.e. -base. you can use most things without java in -writer. If you depend on it, then you should add java-gcj-compat as well.
[08:30] <Mithrandir> doko: so we should really have a java-gcj-compat32?
[08:32] <doko> Mithrandir: No, we don't need a 32bit java interpreter at the moment
[08:33] <pef> morning
[08:34] <doko> Mithrandir: -core should depend on lib32stdc++6
[08:35] <Mithrandir> doko: already done
[09:02] <infinity> 19 out of 20 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file
[09:02] <infinity> That's what I like to see, oh yeah.
[09:05] <pitti> Good morning
[09:06] <fabbione> hey pitti
[09:07] <Lathiat> ah nice
[09:07] <mdz> I don't see language-selector in any menu
[09:07] <mdz> where should it be?
[09:08] <mdz> oh, it's there on the live CD
[09:08] <mdz> but not on my desktop for some reason
[09:13] <fabbione> mdz: i am going to upload the new ocfs2 tools as soon as you release Colony 3
[09:13] <fabbione> mdz: the kernel stuff will follow immediatly after
[09:13] <mdz> gah
[09:14] <mdz> powerpc live CD builds are broken
[09:14] <mdz> presumably due to royal being fucked
[09:14] <mdz> infinity: I don't suppose we have a fallback plan
[09:15] <infinity> mdz : Do we have one?  No.  Can I work something out in the short term?  Probably.
[09:15] <mdz> infinity: if we can put the cloop image at some other URL, I think I can make that work
[09:16] <infinity> Right, but that depends on me building said image on another machine first.  That's the rub.
[09:16] <infinity> Let me go fiddle with adare.
[09:16] <mdz> the image we have is fine; I don't need to build a new one
[09:16] <mdz> in fact I don't want to
[09:16] <mdz> because I tested that one
[09:16] <mdz> I just need to wrap it up in a new CD
[09:16] <infinity> Oh.  Well, then, do you have a copy of it somewhere?
[09:16] <mdz> it's in the .iso on little; I can extract it from there
[09:17] <infinity> Then I guess you're set. :)
[09:17] <mdz> if you can put it at <somehost>/~buildd/livecd/ubuntu/current/blahblah that would make it trivial for me to get it going
[09:17] <mdz> otherwise I need to mangle the scripts
[09:17] <infinity> Sure, toss it on chinstrap with an MD5SUM, and I'll stick it on adare.
[09:18] <infinity> If you do need new live images, however, it looks like adare is still (more or less) configured to make that happen, so holler if you need something freshened up before royal comes back.
[09:19] <mdz> infinity: http://chinstrap/~mdz/filesystem.cloop
[09:22] <infinity> http://adare.buildd/~buildd/livecd/ubuntu/current/livecd.ubuntu.cloop  <-- That good enough for you?
[09:23] <mdz> looks right
[09:23] <mdz> let me get an md5sum to confirm
[09:23] <mdz> yep
[09:23] <infinity> 1b9ee5f74f4041baade173264e96d613  current/livecd.ubuntu.cloop
[09:24] <mdz> yeah, I just checked it
[09:24] <infinity> :)
[09:24] <infinity> Rock.
[09:24] <infinity> Back to being pitti's slave then, if you're done with me.
[09:24] <mdz> gah, I've been preempted by colin's scheduled daily build
[09:25] <mdz> and I think that one generates jigdo files, too
[09:25] <mdz> which means it takes AGES
[09:25] <infinity> Never try to outsmart cron?
[09:25] <infinity> Assuming his daily started when the archive was in the state you wanted it, it should be good anyway, no?
[09:25] <infinity> Or was it too early?
[09:25] <mdz> I think I've probably been screewd by the livefs builds too
[09:25] <mdz> well, it's an install CD build
[09:26] <infinity> Ahh.
[09:26] <mdz> I don't even need an install CD build; the install CDs are good
[09:26] <mdz> but we can't do two CD builds in parallel
[09:26] <infinity> Bah, who needs infrastructure anyway.
[09:26] <mdz> I'm going to have to do this in the morning
[09:27] <infinity> You'll probably be happier about it then, anyway.  Staying up late and banging one's head against the same wall tends to hurt after a while.
[09:27] <mdz> oh, that's the best part, it's an unending sequence of entirely different walls tonight ;-)
[09:28] <infinity> Well, at least you've had variety, then. :)
[09:28] <Mithrandir> mdz: ooo2-amd64 which should work out of the box just uploaded, I'm going to start fight the xorg-keyboard problem now.
[09:28] <mdz> Mithrandir: ok, then tomorrow we can do new install and livefs builds
[09:28] <mdz> and 2 of my 3 caveats about colony 3 can be removed
[09:28] <pitti> Moin seb128 
[09:29] <paolo> 'morning! :-)
[09:29] <infinity> mdz : Oh, like THAT will work.
[09:29] <mdz> infinity: better?
[09:29] <Lathiat> haha
[09:29] <infinity> mdz : Something more like "seb128 : Please stop uploading for 2 days" might be better.
[09:30] <seb128> hey pitti mdz infinity
[09:30] <infinity> mdz : I'll pester elmo about getting royal alive as soon as I see him, but if it's a no-go, adare will be ready for you by tomorrow.
[09:30] <mdz> infinity: I am fairly confident that I know which bits need twiddling in order to do royal->adare on my side
[09:31] <seb128> infinity: he, that's not fair, I'm not uploading a lot for some days because of colony 3 :)
[09:31] <infinity> mdz : Heh.  Good.  Then I just need to make sure it's ready to build breezy livecds.  Looks like the last live run adare did was hoary.
[09:33] <fabbione> oh well.. time to upload a new kernel with ABI change...
[09:33] <pitti> fabbione: just sent you a reply, everything settled?
[09:33] <mdz> fabbione: I know where you live
[09:34] <fabbione> pitti: looking at it now..
[09:34] <fabbione> mdz: that will give me at least 12 hours to hide in another corner of the world :P
[09:34] <mdz> fabbione: I don't need to do my own dirty work
[09:35] <fabbione> mdz: eehhehe
[09:35] <seb128> fabbione: if you go with a new linux I go with the new cairo and its soname change, he can't track 2 people in the same time :p
[09:36] <fabbione> seb128: never underestimate the dark side of the force, young padowa
[09:36] <mdz> good night
[09:36] <fabbione> night mdz
[09:36] <infinity> mdz : 'Night.
[09:36] <mdz> I will sleep with one eye open to watch you two
[09:36] <fabbione> pitti: dude.. the stuff you did send doesn't match what i have
[09:36] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:36] <mantiena> mdz, what is Ubuntu Express status ?
[09:37] <seb128> 'night mdz!
[09:37] <pitti> fabbione: hm? it's still the same list, I added two new issues (one not for you) and a CAN
[09:37] <pitti> night mdz
[09:37] <Burgundavia> jdub, mako if you need help with admining ubuntu-users, contact me
[09:37] <fabbione> pitti: meh ok.. but CAN-2005-2457 is not part of zlib...
[09:37] <fabbione>         . Fix check input buffer size in zisofs.
[09:38] <pitti> fabbione: zisofs doesn't use zlib?
[09:39] <pitti> meh, ok, I clean up the can assignments
[09:39] <fabbione> "This uses the new deflateBound() thing to sanity-check the input to the
[09:39] <fabbione> zlib decompressor before we even bother to start reading in the blocks.
[09:39] <fabbione> "
[09:39] <fabbione> it's an "extra" step on top of zlib
[09:40] <fabbione> pitti: doesn't really matter.. it's all fixed here..
[09:40] <pitti> ok, thankjs
[09:40] <fabbione> i need to check one thing only...
[09:40] <fabbione> pitti: 2456 is for the XFRM stuff...
[09:41] <fabbione> did herbert extra patch got a CAN or is still part of 2456?
[09:41] <jdub> Burgundavia: *boggle*
[09:41] <fabbione> or should we mark it as stolen from head?
[09:41] <Burgundavia> jdub, both you and mako travel a lot. I don't. Makes sense
[09:41] <pitti> fabbione: ah, you mean Herbert's additional capability check?
[09:41] <fabbione> pitti: yes
[09:41] <fabbione> i understood that 2456 was for that patch
[09:42] <pitti> fabbione: I don't have a CAN for this one yet
[09:42] <jdub> Burgundavia: i was just thinking about how best to ask for helpers
[09:42] <fabbione> pitti: ok.. so i will mark it as XXXX :)
[09:42] <jdub> Burgundavia: like, only an hour ago or so
[09:42] <fabbione> no big deal
[09:42] <pitti> fabbione: yes, it's an additional check in the same coe
[09:42] <pitti> code, even
[09:42] <fabbione> pitti: yes i saw that...
[09:43] <\sh> does anybody has a nice pointer to some good docus about creating udebs?
[09:43] <Burgundavia> jdub, I recently sent 2 messages for -users, which I don't currently follow. Then I realized that they will probably never hit the lists because you and mako have no time to approve it
[09:43] <jdub> yep
[09:44] <jdub> if you don't follow it, do you really want to moderate it?
[09:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[09:44] <jsgotangco> i bet ubuntu-users has a ton of spam
[09:44] <Burgundavia> jdub, I am about to start following it
[09:44] <jdub> heh
[09:44] <Burgundavia> indeed
[09:44] <jdub> it's fucking insane traffic-wise
[09:45] <jsgotangco> i only see a fraction in ubuntu-doc but its getting on my nerves sometimes
[09:45] <jsgotangco> its usually chinese text
[09:45] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:46] <Burgundavia> oh, and that and about half the gnome mailing lists
[09:46] <Treenaks> jdub: have you seen my planet-addition-request?
[09:47] <jdub> Treenaks: yeah, but been travelling :-)
[09:47] <Treenaks> jdub: ah, didn't know that :)
[09:47] <jsgotangco> mmm tuxmagazine poll
[09:47] <Treenaks> jdub: you're back on the right side of the date-line now? :)
[09:48] <jdub> i think it's regarded as 'left' ;)
[09:49] <Treenaks> jdub: hm.. you're right.. the left side is the right side :)
[09:49] <jdub> i should put nicks on planet ubuntu
[09:49] <jdub> i should also not use plone css
[09:49] <jdub> bah, now you've got me fixing things :)
[09:49] <Lathiat> mmm plone
[09:49] <Lathiat> ask davyd about plone
[09:49] <Treenaks> it should also underline links :)
[09:49] <jdub> it'll do that once i kill plone css
[09:52] <jamesh> jdub: a good proportion of launchpad.css is designed to undo plone.css ...
[09:52] <jdub> heh
[09:53] <fabbione> pitti: CAN-2005-2548 is only for warty. Both breezy and hoary are not affected (at code level at least)
[09:53] <\sh> jdub: First 'nick' Lastname is good change for the planet
[09:53] <jdub> \sh: i'll probably do it the same way as planet gnome
[09:54] <\sh> jdub: rock :)
[09:54] <Treenaks> jdub: btw, planet is _easy_ :)
[09:54] <Treenaks> jdub: running a few of my own now too
[09:55] <jdub> Treenaks: cool :) yeah, love it :)
[10:17] <seb128> infinity: are some CD builds running and we should upload anything, or pushing new poppler/evince is fine as far as it doesn't break?
[10:30] <pitti> fabbione: I know, it says "Breezy: n/a, Hoary: n/a, Warty: vuln"
[10:30] <pitti> fabbione: should mean "not affected", sorry for the acronym
[10:33] <carlos> pitti, morning
[10:34] <fabbione> pitti: meh i read: Breezy: n/a, Hoary: n/a, Warty: n/a
[10:35] <pitti> Hi carlos 
[10:35] <carlos> pitti, I was able to generate .po files for firefox
[10:35] <pitti> cool
[10:36] <carlos> pitti, but we will need en-US.xpi included into the language pack package
[10:36] <carlos> pitti, it's needed to get from it the msgids
[10:36] <pitti> carlos: sure, we can include it into m-f-locale-en :-)
[10:36] <carlos> well
[10:36] <carlos> pitti, it's already included by default into mozilla tree
[10:36] <pitti> carlos: but we can always extract it from the main deb, right?
[10:37] <carlos> pitti, and I don't need it installed, just available from the source package
[10:37] <pitti> carlos: ok, it should already be in the source
[10:37] <carlos> pitti, Not sure if the main package has the .xpi package, I see a .jar file (the file that the .xpi contains)
[10:37] <carlos> but the .jar file does not work, we need the .xpi
[10:39] <pitti> carlos: ok, that shouldn't be a problem
[10:39] <carlos> perfect then.
[10:39] <pitti> carlos: let's take this into a private discussion to not clutter up the chan
[10:40] <carlos> I don't have anything else to talk about now, I'm going to dump my research into the wiki and will take later, ok?
[10:42] <\sh> wow...another new ubuntu user in this company
[10:50] <_koke> mako: have you already discovered how to make sangria??
[10:51] <Treenaks> _koke: it's on wikipedia
[10:51] <Treenaks> _koke: (the recipe, that is)
[10:51] <_koke> :D
[10:51] <Lathiat> bugs with livecd ->
[10:51] <_koke> mako: look at http://olea.org/la-receta-de-la-sangria/
[10:51] <Lathiat> no network setup
[10:51] <_koke> for a graphic one :9
[10:51] <Lathiat> asks for X resolution, doesnt include my resolution in the list of defaults (had 1024x768, 640x480 selected, im 1680x1050)
[10:52] <Lathiat> -> has a notice about having to restart becausea  new kernel was installed
[10:52] <Lathiat> -> the "please press enter to activate this console" isnt cleared before switching to it to boot
[10:52] <Lathiat> and thats it
[10:54] <mdke> mjg59, ping?
[10:58] <Nafallo> doko: pong
[11:02] <mvo> anyone of the backports guys around?
[11:03] <Lathiat> mdz: do you want to know about livecd bugs?
[11:03] <seb128> he's sleeping
[11:03] <Lathiat> ah ok
[11:03] <seb128> but I guess he wants to know about bugs when he wakes up
[11:03] <Lathiat> hrm also when i alt-tab to firefox the window goes black until i stop alt tabbing or alt tab off that window
[11:04] <Lathiat> indeed
[11:04] <Lathiat> was more wondering who the right person to hassle is
[11:04] <Lathiat> also totem doesnt start
[11:06] <Burgundavia> mvo, if the user breaks something with backports, you can close the bug
[11:07] <seb128> Lathiat: doesn't start, like "crash"?
[11:07] <mvo> Burgundavia: well, I would like to have givem him advice to fix the situation. it's the old "python-xdg" backport problem
[11:07] <Burgundavia> mvo, you can do both. and point them at malone, as we support ~hoary backports now
[11:08] <mvo> Burgundavia: oh, nice, thanks
[11:08] <Burgundavia> mvo, done for you
[11:11] <mvo> Burgundavia: is there documentation somewhere how  users are supposed to assign a bug against a backports repository? I would like to point my bugreport to it
[11:11] <Lathiat> seb128: errors out about not being able to create initialize video
[11:11] <Lathiat> seb128: but also has some ugly deref glib errors on the console
[11:11] <Lathiat> also, the reboot item from gdm doesnt work
[11:11] <Lathiat> and what kernel module makes /dev/input/mice because for some reason when i boote back to my system i dont have one
[11:11] <Treenaks> Lathiat: restart udev
[11:12] <Lathiat> Treenaks: what caused that?
[11:12] <Lathiat> (cause it makes X fail to start)
[11:12] <Treenaks> Lathiat: I had that last week, but it's solved now for me
[11:12] <Treenaks> Lathiat: so I have no idea..
[11:12] <Lathiat> weird
[11:12] <Burgundavia> mvo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com//BugResponses
[11:12] <Burgundavia> mvo, last response about universe, change to backports after copying
[11:14] <ogra> mvo, does mdz know about #13496 ? 
[11:14] <ogra> mvo, i heard he plans to roll colony 3 after he gets up today
[11:15] <Burgundavia> ogra, you have about 6 hours to fix it then. It is 2am here
[11:15] <mvo> thanks Burgundavia!
[11:15] <Burgundavia> mvo, np
[11:16] <Burgundavia> ogra, always trying to helpful ;)
[11:16] <sivang> morning all
[11:16] <mvo> ogra: I don't know if he knows (or not), but it shouldn't be hard to fix aptitude
[11:16] <pitti> Hi ogra
[11:16] <ogra> ah, ok
[11:16] <ogra> moin pitti
[11:16] <sivang> hey ogra ,pitti 
[11:16] <sivang> Burgundavia: are you hungry already ? :)
[11:16] <pitti> ogra: can you please merge the outstanding Edubuntu reports to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue?
[11:16] <ogra> pitti, sure...
[11:17] <pitti> thanks
[11:19] <mvo> pitti: what do you think about adding a wordlist package to language-support-$lang? (#2132)?
[11:19] <pitti> sure, no problem
[11:20] <pitti> mvo: you mean wngerman, for example=
[11:20] <pitti> ?
[11:20] <mvo> pitti: yes
[11:21] <seb128> does anybody has the spellchecking stuff working atm with evolution/gedit by example?
[11:21] <seb128> the list of dicts are empty here
[11:22] <sivang> seb128: the saem ehre
[11:22] <sivang> err
[11:22] <sivang> seb128: the same here
[11:23] <sivang> bon jour seb128  :)
[11:23] <seb128> hi
[11:23] <sivang> seb128: it also finds ANY word as mispelled word
[11:26] <seb128> that's because it has no dict
[11:27] <seb128> who is working on spellchecking tools? doko?
[11:27] <doko> seb128: yes, Nafallo is doing some work as well
[11:28] <seb128> doko: any idea of why no dictionnary is listed by evolution/gedit/...
[11:28] <seb128> I've aspell and aspell-en installed
[11:28] <seb128> aspell-fr too
[11:29] <doko> seb128: no
[11:29] <seb128> k, thanks anyway
[11:30] <seb128> Nafallo: maybe you know about the issue?
[11:30] <sivang> seb128: I'm in a chroot, does it matter?
[11:31] <Nafallo> seb128: aspell-en should work fine, aspell-fr is being worked on right now :-).
[11:32] <seb128> Nafallo: does evolution or gedit list an english dictionnary for you? they don't here
[11:32] <seb128> ii  aspell         0.60.3-5       GNU Aspell spell-checker
[11:32] <seb128> ii  aspell-en      6.0-0-5        English dictionary for GNU Aspell
[11:33] <seb128> $ aspell dicts
[11:33] <seb128> en
[11:33] <seb128> ...
[11:34] <Nafallo> seb128: they do here, with same versions
[11:34] <seb128> bah
[11:34] <seb128> I had some bugs about that already
[11:34] <seb128> that's weird
[11:35] <seb128> grumpf
[11:35] <seb128> after moving ~/.aspell* that works fine
[11:35] <seb128> and for french too
[11:35] <\sh> hmmm....trying to build bittorrent-gui against libwxgtk2.6-0-python...lets see...
[11:36] <seb128> $ cat .aspell.conf
[11:36] <seb128> lang french
[11:36] <seb128> this file breaks the list of dicts
[11:36] <Lathiat> i hate that stupid gui, it wont let you get more than 3 torrents at once, wont let you run a torrent seeding past the configured ratio and keeps nagging me to donate
[11:37] <seb128> Nafallo: .aspell.conf with "lang french" breaks the list of dict, just moving it somewhere else fixes the issue
[11:37] <\sh> Lathiat: and I was confused why bittorrent package is in main, and one of the resulting bin packages is in universe
[11:37] <Lathiat> \sh: heh
[11:39] <JaneW> does anyone know what's happeneing, if anything, with the ShtoomVoip BreexyGoal, was listed as Thom's...?
[11:39] <JaneW> Breezy I mean
[11:39] <ogra> ARGH
[11:39] <\sh> JaneW: yes
[11:39] <Lathiat> i think thats been deferred
[11:39] <ogra> who edits the main inclusion queue ? 
[11:40] <JaneW> \sh:?
[11:40] <\sh> JaneW: doesn't look good...and I need to find a new machine where I can setup a new SIP Express Router
[11:40] <JaneW> Lathiat: oic...
[11:40] <pitti> ogra: not me
[11:40] <\sh> so it will be breezy+1
[11:40] <JaneW> ShtoomVoip is still listed as WIP - must I make it deferred?
[11:40] <pitti> ogra: you have the lock ATM
[11:41] <JaneW> and does it have a new owner? \sh? you perhaps?
[11:41] <Lathiat> \sh: im willing to help out with that goal
[11:41] <\sh> JaneW: no...it's thom..I just worked on the server base
[11:41] <Lathiat> as i have some experience etc with voip stuff
[11:41] <JaneW> ok, is thom still active on it?
[11:41] <Lathiat> i thought thom left?
[11:41] <ogra> pitti, yes, but i ran out inbetween... 
[11:41] <\sh> woot?
[11:42] <JaneW> Lathiat: indeed he did
[11:42] <pitti> ogra: I made a quick change recently, but I didn't see a lock at that time; sorry
[11:42] <JaneW> Lathiat: that's why I am a little confussed
[11:42] <\sh> JaneW: please update me 
[11:42] <JaneW> \sh: on what?
[11:42] <\sh> JaneW: what is with thom?..when he left..
[11:42] <JaneW> lemme find out more...
[11:42] <ogra> pitti, nope, it was Riddell-awa, i just wasnt fast enough
[11:43] <\sh> JaneW: cause when he's not around anymore for this..."dear god, I don't have any clue on shtoom"
[11:46] <JaneW> \sh: well it seems you're IT ;)
[11:47] <mjg59> mdke: Hi
[11:47] <JaneW> thom confirmed that he is not working on it... so it currently has no owner or action
[11:47] <\sh> JaneW: ok...
[11:47] <ajmitch> lucky \sh :)
[11:47] <ajmitch> btw hi ;)
[11:47] <\sh> JaneW: so make it breezy+1
[11:47] <mdke> mjg59, hi. I got an email from a guy with a T43, although with a slightly different spec. He asked what is the best way for him to help, should we work on the same wiki page? or should he do a separate one?
[11:48] <\sh> and upgrade the owner to \sh
[11:48] <JaneW> \sh: seriosly can I put your name there, AND yes that was my next question must I mark it as deferred?
[11:48] <mjg59> mdke: A separate one might be good for now
[11:48] <\sh> JaneW: yes seriously and yes to breezy+1
[11:48] <JaneW> \sh: ok cool thanks - and congrats :)
[11:49] <ajmitch> \sh: it's good to see people volunteer :)
[11:49] <mdke> mjg59, cool. he's the third guy who has emailed me with help about the thinkpad :D what a community...
[11:49] <\sh> hmmm
[11:49] <\sh> what did i do..
[11:49] <\sh> anyways
[11:49] <ajmitch> \sh: signed away your soul, it's best if you don't think about it
[11:49] <jsgotangco> its best to be silent as well *wink*
[11:50] <Lathiat> \sh: well if your interested on working with it.. give me a yell.
[11:50] <Lathiat> unfortunately shtoom has terrible latency
[11:50] <Lathiat> im not sure its suitable
[11:50] <Lathiat> that or need to figure out why
[11:50] <\sh> ok...I need an appartment in durban, I need some furniture, fast internet connection and a visa and a working permit ... 
[11:50] <Lathiat> to my local asterisk server an echo test has 2s latency, with a hardware phone its instant
[11:50] <\sh> JaneW: can you arrange this for me in ZA ,-)
[11:51] <JaneW> \sh: np
[11:52] <\sh> JaneW: ah...and a new job of course..and some tickets for the plane..
[11:52] <JaneW> \sh: anything else?
[11:52] <JaneW> :P
[11:52] <\sh> JaneW: a new life *lol*
[11:52] <ajmitch> \sh: you won't need a life, you'll be too busy hacking
[11:52] <JaneW> \sh: I need one of those
[11:52] <ogra> pitti, hmm, after i added all edubuntu stuff at the top of the lists, had 2 heart attacs because i lost the lock two times, i just recognized someone already has put all edubuntu stuff there alerady 
[11:54] <\sh> JaneW: one of those?
[11:55] <JaneW> \sh: new life - mines a bit frayed and burned out atm
[11:55] <pitti> ogra: is everything really already promoted?
[11:55] <ogra> tuxpaint: MainInclusionReportTuxpaint (Edubuntu, cannot be promoted until sdl-image1.2 is in main) ???
[11:55] <pitti> ogra: or did you pick the wrong queue?
[11:55] <ogra> pitti, thats sdl-ttf2.0
[11:55] <\sh> JaneW: oh yes, I know this feeling...
[11:55] <ogra> not sdl-image1.2
[11:55] <pitti> ogra: please put the stuff in the unreviewed queue, not in "accepted and promoted"
[11:56] <\sh> JaneW: take some time of.. play with husband+kids, have a trip to mauritius
[11:56] <ajmitch> pitti: about selinux - pam's patch was big & intrusive, and passwd needed recoded to handle security context for /etc/shadow properly :)
[11:56] <JaneW> brb coffee break, but please keep the goal updates coming - we need to get them all grean by the time mdz wakes up ;)
[11:56] <ogra> pitti, so only the 5 left from desktop and the server stuff ? ok
[11:56] <JaneW> s/grean/green
[11:56] <pitti> ajmitch: we are past feature freeze, so no selinux for breezy anyway :-(
[11:56] <JaneW> \sh: I'd LOVE to do that
[11:56] <ajmitch> pitti: I know, just explaining why I didn't get it to you for review before FF :(
[11:58] <\sh> JaneW: me too (c) aol.com...
[11:58] <\sh> lunchtime now...laters ladies & gentlemen
[11:58] <Treenaks> \sh: good idea :)
[12:02] <pitti> seb128: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportCdrdao
[12:04] <pitti> ogra: I also need to edit the queue...
[12:05] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[12:05] <pitti> seb128: does it work? does the /dev/cdrecorder issue (the malone bug) actually hurt?
[12:06] <seb128> the duplicate stuff from nautilus works, so I guess it doesn't hurt no
[12:06] <seb128> I'll play with that though
[12:06] <pitti> seb128: I think we should definitively fix the O_EXCL thing
[12:07] <seb128> hum, yeah
[12:09] <marco_g> hi
[12:10] <pitti> ogra: are you still actually editing?
[12:11] <ogra> pitti, done
[12:12] <marco_g> Is there an ubuntu team/channel for graphical designs?
[12:12] <Mithrandir> marco_g: yes and yes, #ubuntu-artwork (iirc)
[12:12] <tseng> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtTeam
[12:12] <marco_g> I am working on GRUB2 and I don't have a clue about grapical design, interface design, etc.
[12:12] <marco_g> Mithrandir: Cool, thanks :)
[12:13] <marco_g> tseng: Thank you.
[12:15] <ajmitch> hey marco_g 
[12:15] <marco_g> hey ajmitch :)
[12:16] <pitti> ogra: please do not put reports for packages that are still in universe into "accepted and promoted"
[12:16] <pitti> ogra: i. e. gartoon
[12:17] <ogra> pitti, i didnt
[12:17] <ogra> i didnt touch accepted and promoted at all 
[12:18] <pitti> ogra: hm, who did? 
[12:18] <ogra> looking ate the history....
[12:19] <ogra> pitti, thats what i meant, i put my stuff on top and fter 10 mins formatting work i recognized they were at the bottom already and reverted my change
[12:19] <pitti> ogra: then this was rather an accident, I suppose
[12:19] <ogra> but i cant see it in the history...
[12:21] <ogra> pitti, err, why got gcompris promoted already ? libassetml0 is missing....
[12:21] <pitti> ogra: anastacia will detect thus
[12:21] <pitti> this
[12:21] <ogra> sure, but it wont build :/
[12:21] <pitti> not?
[12:22] <ogra> libassetml0 is a build dep... gnuchess is only a dep
[12:25] <AndyFitz> tseng,  cheers for the ref
[12:25] <pitti> ogra: hm, ftgl does not have a dynamic library?
[12:26] <ogra> pitti, i dont see one...
[12:27] <ogra> pitti,  FTGL binds OpenGL and FreeType together in order to offer and easy to use
[12:28] <ogra>  and flexible text rendering library. 
[12:28] <ogra> it seems to only glue between two existing libs
[12:28] <pitti> ogra: yes, but packages which b-dep on it statically link against libftgl.a
[12:29] <pitti> ogra: if this were a security sensitive lib, it would be a reason for rejection
[12:29] <ogra> yes, it produces a -dev binary.... odd
[12:29] <pitti> however, it seems uncritical, so I approved it
[12:29] <pitti> this also resolves blender
[12:29] <ogra> i wonder how such packages get into debian
[12:29] <ogra> yay, thanks pitti :)
[12:32] <ogra> pitti, please dont touch schooltool and friends for now, it seems mark approved a new upstream version, i have to see the packages first....
[12:33] <pitti> ogra: can I reject www-config-common for now, and you remove the dep and sort this out with Adam?
[12:33] <ogra> pitti, *sigh* yes ... :)
[12:34] <pitti> ogra: and I can remove the Edubuntu subpage link?
[12:34] <ogra> yup... its all on the queue site
[12:50] <Nafallo> sabdfl: ping
[12:52] <infinity> seb128 : Not sure if anyone else answered you, but go ahead and upload your fixed packages iff you're sure they won't break.  If you catch a build at the wrong time, there's nothing stopping me from restarting it.
[12:52] <pitti> Riddell-awa: here?
[12:55] <seb128> infinity: k, thanks
[12:56] <mvo> pitti: isn't riddel at kde conference or something?
[12:56] <pitti> yes, but he seemed to answer some questions
[12:57] <mvo> ogra: normal ubuntu daily install has the same problem as edubuntu (#13496)
[12:57] <mvo> pitti: ah, k
[12:58] <mjg59> \sh: Could you possibly file bugs on the problems you're having with Breezy?
[12:58] <ogra> mvo, yes, i suspected that... i already mailed mdz about it so he doesnt wildly start rolling colony images :)
[12:59] <mvo> ogra: thanks
[01:04] <doko> Mithrandir: s/java-gcj-compat/lib32gcj6/  , not added?
[01:04] <Mithrandir> huh?
[01:05] <doko> Mithrandir: your changelog
[01:05] <Mithrandir> doko: it would be very useful if you stuck some pronouns and verbs into your sentences. :-P
[01:06] <doko> Mithrandir: substituted java-gcj-compat with lib32gcj6, not added it?
[01:07] <doko> Mithrandir: oh, in OO.o2-amd64
[01:08] <ogra> infinity, a minute about wwwconfig-common ? 
[01:09] <pitti> let him fix PHP first! :-)
[01:09] <ogra> heh
[01:09] <pitti> (just kidding)
[01:10] <ogra> probably someone else has a opinion, if i create the postgres db without wwwconfig-common, i have to use sudo -u postgres psql ... in the postinst... or is there any other way ? i dont want to make moodle depend on sudo...
[01:11] <pitti> ogra: that's my playground
[01:11] <infinity> ogra, pitti : Give me 10-15 mins to grab and eat some food, then ping me again.
[01:11] <pitti> ogra: I /msg
[01:11] <doko> Mithrandir: $ strings /usr/lib/openoffice2/sunjavaplugin.so | fgrep gij
[01:11] <doko> bin/gij
[01:11] <doko> bin/gij-4.0
[01:11] <ogra> yup
[01:12] <ogra> infinity, i'm fine with the mysql stuff, i'll get it sorted... its enough if you just review it in the end ;)
[01:13] <Mithrandir> doko: I have no idea what you are trying to tell me, could you _please_ speak in complete sentences rather than throwing seemingly random pieces of information at me and trying to make me puzzle it together myself?
[01:15] <infinity> ogra : Then get pitti's advice on the pgsql stuff, yes.  And you want su, no sudo.
[01:15] <infinity> s/no/not/
[01:15] <ogra> infinity, i want neither ;)
[01:17] <chmj> shackan: ping 
[01:17] <pitti> infinity: right
[01:17] <doko> Mithrandir: It's the same terse style as you did use in your changelog for the OO.o2 amd64 upload. I did ask for the reason, why you substituted the java-gcj-compat dependency with lib32gcj6 ? What is unclear=
[01:18] <doko> s/=?/
[01:19] <Mithrandir> doko: no, there wasn't a single "why" in any of the things you said.
[01:20] <doko> I didn't mean "when" ...
[01:21] <Mithrandir> doko: I understood you that lib32gcj6 was needed for java to work correctly with ooo2-amd64, but if that wasn't your intention, why can't you just say that?
[01:21] <\sh> mjg59: ping
[01:23] <doko> Mithrandir: I did say that, please say http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-August/009674.html
[01:23] <doko> s/say/see/
[01:23] <\sh> mjg59: I will start to file bugs during the weekend..when I get my usb dvdrom to test the rest of the list (dual boot, resizing etc.)
[01:26] <mjg59> \sh: Ok, cool
[01:26] <mjg59> Could you link to bugs about the bluetooth, acpid and ethernet problems?
[01:30] <JaneW> mjg59: ping
[01:31] <JaneW> mjg59: can you give me a line or 2 to use to update the LaptopMission goal please? It's still WIP right?
[01:32] <Nafallo> daniels: morning :-)
[01:33] <Lathiat> Nafallo: heh
[01:33] <Nafallo> Lathiat: what? :-)
[01:34] <ogra> Nafallo, its late evening in .au ;)
[01:34] <Nafallo> baah. listen to jdub, it is _always_ morning! :-)
[01:35] <Nafallo> daniels: when will xmodmap hit the archive? :-)
[01:35] <Treenaks> Nafallo: no, that's only in Australia
[01:35] <Nafallo> Treenaks: in my appartment to ;-)
[01:36] <daniels> Nafallo: i don't know
[01:37] <Nafallo> daniels: oki. I will have to just /try/ to read me friends swedish-without-correct-chars a while longer then ;-)
[01:37] <Nafallo> s/me/my/
[01:37] <mjg59> JaneW: Laptops are being sent out, we're getting feedback
[01:37] <Simira> mjg59 : the laptops for the testing team... are they models where there are known to be problems...?
[01:37] <mjg59> Simira: Nope
[01:38] <Simira> mjg59 : Ok. I've got lots. Haven't even managed to get a decent installation yet...
[01:39] <mjg59> Simira: Cool. Please file bugs.
[01:39] <Simira> mjg59 : and I've tried 3-4 times each day since friday... bugs are coming...
[01:39] <mjg59> Simira: Heh
[01:39] <JaneW> mjg59: ok, thanks
[01:42] <Treenaks> Simira: breezy is/was very broken until a few days ago
[01:42] <Simira> Treenaks : I downloaded a new version yesterday. Same faults.
[01:44] <Treenaks> I'm still waiting for shipment
[01:44] <ajmitch> Treenaks: a few people are, I think
[01:46] <\sh> mjg59: sure :)
[01:47] <pitti> doko: is libhsqldb-java still required in main?
[01:47] <\sh> Simira: what laptop do u have?
[01:47] <Simira> \sh : HP nc8230
[01:47] <JaneW> is anyone working on Xen?
[01:48] <Mithrandir> JaneW: Fabio has done some stuff on it, at least
[01:50] <\sh> Simira: what r the problems? 
[01:53] <Simira> \sh : uhm... want a list? If I try to install without turning off frambuffer, the screen goes black shortly after loading installation tools. The laptop won't reboot automatically after the first part of installation (ctrl-alt-del doesn't work either), and then it halts on different points of loading and installing packages. Mainly. 
[01:54] <\sh> Simira: hoary or breezy colony 2?
[01:54] <Simira> \sh: I use the daily build of breezy.  
[01:54] <\sh> I think it's time to spend some minutes on "how to build installation media for ubuntu" and provide "special laptop kernels" ,-)
[01:55] <\sh> Simira: try colony 2 :) this is my testing env
[01:55] <Simira> \sh : ok, what's the difference? Laptop kernel? ;)
[01:56] <\sh> Simira: Oh it starts with: have a laptop without a cd/dvd drive  and ends up with "kernel oops when wifi interface is switched off" ,-)
[01:56] <ajmitch> \sh: ideally there'd be no need for a different kernel :)
[01:56] <hunger> \sh: when I asked about laptop kernels I was yelled at for being stupid;-)
[01:56] <siretart> fabbione: shall the sparc get linux 2.4 or 2.6 kernels?
[01:56] <fabbione> siretart: 2.6.12 please
[01:57] <fabbione> siretart: use the Debian packages.. they work fine
[01:57] <fabbione> there is no need to compile anything
[01:57] <\sh> ajmitch, hunger: right..but as fabbione told me, some drivers or patches are refused by upstream...and when I checked the patches for the portege laptop, they were all refused by upstream ,-)
[01:57] <fabbione> or i will install the ubuntu ones..
[01:57] <siretart> ok. will install with 2.6 sarge d-i
[01:57] <hunger> \sh: with the centrino being so common nowadays I still think that is a good idea (at least having a pentium-m optimized kernel)
[01:57] <fabbione> either way works for me
[01:57] <siretart> ok
[01:57] <doko> pitti: yes
[01:57] <fabbione> siretart: note that if you install sarge, we can upgrade to breezy ;)
[01:58] <hunger> how is network configuration currently done in breezy? the "debian" way does no longer work for me and network manager just seems to sit there doing nothing, too.
[01:59] <siretart> fabbione: whatever suits better, you just have to tell me ;)
[01:59] <fabbione> siretart: it's the same for me.. go for sarge..
[01:59] <fabbione> we will touch delicate parts together
[02:05] <hunger_> Was there a comment to my network question? My compi crashed once again:-(
[02:05] <mvo> ping pitti
[02:06] <hunger_> linux is just so damn unstable on this box... or is it X?
[02:06] <ogra> pitti, language-pack-gnome-en, language-pack-gnome-en-base seem to be MIA on the CD images is that intentional ?
[02:06] <pitti> MIA?
[02:06] <mvo> missing
[02:06] <ogra> missing in action :)
[02:06] <Nafallo> in action
[02:06] <mvo> is that a seed problem?
[02:06] <pitti> ogra: I know the Debian term, but it didn't fit :-)
[02:06] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:07] <pitti> mvo: yep, these packages are not seeded yet
[02:07] <pitti> mvo: thanks for the reminder
[02:07] <pitti> mvo: I will fix the support packages now, then seed the rest
[02:07] <mvo> pitti: thanks
[02:07] <pitti> grmpf
[02:07] <pitti> # apt-cdrom -m add
[02:07] <pitti> Found 0 package indexes, 0 source indexes and 1 signatures
[02:07] <pitti> edd: Unable to locate any package files, perhaps this is not a Debian Disc
[02:08] <pitti> erm, sorry, my fault
[02:08] <JaneW> what happened to FontHandling?
[02:09] <ajmitch> JaneW: it didn't really get going
[02:10] <Seveas> elmo, sabdfl, the CC meeting wants to be started, please come to #ubuntu-meeting :)
[02:11] <JaneW> ajmitch: pity - so it is doomed to be deferred?
[02:11] <infinity> hunger_ : network-manager is currently a no-go.  As for issues with getting your network configured via the normal means, that's most likely an #ubuntu question.
[02:12] <pitti> Mithrandir: you know that openoffice.org2 is uninstallable in breezy?
[02:12] <hunger_> infinity: The config did work till after the update I did friday night after spending a week AFK.
[02:13] <hunger_> infinity: I was wondering whether some NM-related changes went in or something.
[02:13] <daniels> JaneW: also, XRoadmap should be marked as deferred
[02:13] <hunger_> infinity: And somehow you never get a decent answer to breezy-questions in #ubuntu anyway.
[02:13] <JaneW> daniels: ok
[02:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: it installed fine for me?
[02:14] <daniels> JaneW: i assume firefox is just going to shower me in hate, so if you could please mark that as deferred, that'd be great, thanks
[02:14] <Mithrandir> pitti: what does it fail on?
[02:14] <JaneW> daniels: np, doing it right now...
[02:14] <pitti> Mithrandir: I currently tried in a clean and up to date breezy amd64 dchroot
[02:14] <daniels> JaneW: ta
[02:14] <ajmitch> JaneW: sad to say, yes
[02:14] <JaneW> daniels: but wasn;t that what was holding the build up? or was that just X not a whole roadmap?
[02:16] <infinity> JaneW : The whole X roadmap hasn't been deferred, just parts of it.  Where it currently is is a (reasonably) useable state, just not quite where we wanted it to be.
[02:16] <JaneW> daniels: reason? Deferred to Breezy+1 - no time to complete for Breezy?
[02:16] <JaneW> daniels: ok well then part will stay in WIP, and I'll add a deferred section
[02:17] <Lathiat> daniels: what will firefox shower you in hate about?
[02:17] <daniels> JaneW: what's done now is done, and everything else has been deferred to breezy+1
[02:18] <daniels> Lathiat: segfaults every time I try to edit hte wiki
[02:18] <JaneW> daniels: ok, the part that's done , is it still being tested or is it 100% complete?
[02:18] <Lathiat> daniels: oh, right
[02:18] <daniels> JaneW: still a couple of warts but largely complete
[02:19] <JaneW> daniels: ok, I'll make it implemented - when the warts are gone it can be complete ;P
[02:19] <daniels> JaneW: heh
[02:20] <sivang> can someone please remind me the order of dpatch-edit-patch args? $1 = new patch, $2 = last old in 00list or vice versa?
[02:20] <Mithrandir> pitti: well, what does it fail on?
[02:21] <pitti> Mithrandir: I /msg'ed you
[02:21] <\sh> daniels: need help? ,-)
[02:21] <daniels> \sh: hah
[02:23] <sivang> daniels: lol, I wasn't aware it had an help option :)
[02:24] <Mithrandir> mdz: can you promote libstdc++6 to main?  It's needed by ooo2-amd64
[02:25] <ogra> Mithrandir, main inclusion report ....
[02:25] <infinity> Mithrandir : Uhm, it's in main.
[02:25] <infinity> Mithrandir : Half the archive depends on it.
[02:25] <Mithrandir> uhm
[02:25] <Mithrandir> mdz: lib32stdc++6, I meant.
[02:25] <Nafallo> *s*
[02:25] <infinity> That makes more sense. :)
[02:26] <Mithrandir> heh
[02:33] <pitti> doko: any idea why so many aspell packages are uninstallable?
[02:34] <doko> pitti: we are fixing these at the moment
[02:34] <pitti> doko: the installable ones depend on aspell, the uninstallable ones on libaspell15c2, is that the reason?
[02:34] <Nafallo> pitti: they need a transition which I've started to help out with. they will be fine ASAP (girlfriend leaves today ;-) )
[02:34] <pitti> doko, Nafallo: ok, great
[02:34] <pitti> thanks
[02:47] <doko> Mithrandir: should lib32gcj6 be included in main as well?
[02:48] <Mithrandir> doko: I guess that makes a bit of sense, yes.
[03:01] <doko> elmo: please sync python-tz from unstable (2005i-2)
[03:01] <mjg59> mdz: I have a grub patch for you
[03:03] <Lathiat> i just put a ubuntu ppc livecd in my x86 laptop
[03:03] <Lathiat> is it normal to have a screwed directory listing?
[03:03] <Lathiat> all items are '????????'
[03:04] <HiddenWolf> Lathiat, why the heck would you want to do that? :P
[03:04] <Lathiat> HiddenWolf: trying to see if any more of my ubuntu cds had the wrong image pressed on them
[03:04] <ajmitch> Lathiat: hoary live cd?
[03:04] <Lathiat> ajmitch: yeh
[03:04] <Lathiat> its ok i ejected adn stuck it back in and its fine
[03:04] <Lathiat> weird
[03:05] <ajmitch> odd
[03:06] <Lathiat> ah i see what happened
[03:06] <Lathiat> vmware took the dont eject bit off
[03:06] <Lathiat> and it was mounted
[03:06] <Lathiat> so i replaced the cd
[03:06] <ajmitch> heh
[03:06] <Lathiat> and i guess it was all confused
[03:06] <seb128> elmo: can you drop evolution-data-server1.2 and pyphany packages?
[03:12] <sivang> seb128: could you remind me what's the meaning of -1 as an index in launchpad_integration_add_items ?
[03:12] <sivang> seb128: s/index/position/
[03:13] <seb128>  * position.  If the position is negative, then it is used as an index
[03:13] <seb128>  * from the end of the menu.
[03:13] <seb128>  * The 3rd and 4th arguments are used to say whether to add a separator
[03:13] <seb128>  * before and/or after the items. */
[03:13] <seb128> that's the comment from the source file
[03:14] <seb128> so -1 is 1 from the bottom of the menu
[03:15] <sivang> seb128: darn, I forgot it also has an .h file :) thanks 
[03:15] <seb128> np
[03:24] <\sh> hmmm..
[03:24] <\sh> nowxmsg is not in libwxgtk2.4-1-python
[03:24] <\sh> strange
[03:37] <pitti> infinity: whoa, what's wrong with the powerpc buildd?
[03:37] <pitti> infinity: wrong clock as it seems
[03:38] <elmo> probably 'cos I hard powercycled it
[03:38] <pitti> ah, ok
[03:38] <pitti> Hi sabdfl 
[03:38] <sabdfl> hiya
[03:39] <ajmitch> hi sabdfl 
[03:39] <sabdfl> hey ajmitch
[03:40] <ajmitch> afternoon mvo, how are you? 
[03:40] <mvo> hey ajmitch! I'm fine, but todays kernel upgrade shuffled my interfaces around :/
[03:46] <Lathiat> mvo: hrm that shouldnt happen
[03:46] <Lathiat> mvo: at least, if they were there when you installed
[03:47] <mvo> Lathiat: yes, both where there and in this order for a long time
[03:47] <Lathiat> hrm
[03:47] <Lathiat> see /etc/iftab
[03:53] <infinity> pitti : Oh, royal?
[03:54] <infinity> pitti, elmo : Clock looks okay to me.
[03:55] <elmo> yeah me too, not sure what pitti's talking about
[03:55] <pitti> infinity: http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ shows a whole bunch of failed builds
[03:55] <infinity> Oh, there's an easier explanation for that.
[03:55] <ogra> pitti, not the fault of http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/buildlogs/ ;)
[03:56] <infinity> They all did fail on the day stated, but didn't get mailed until today, cause postfix wasn't running.
[03:56] <pitti> hm, ok, it seems that I just coincidentially picked one witha failed clock
[03:56] <ogra> i think patchutils was missing on amd64 yesterday i looked
[03:56] <pitti> it seems that most of the failures are genuine FTBFS
[03:56] <ajmitch> since I had to update the buggy gcc4 patch in debian :)
[04:15] <\sh> doko: ping
[04:17] <doko> \sh: pong
[04:18] <siretart> fabbione: I had to install with 2.4 kernel, and had issues with the keyboard layout selector. Do you think it is wise to upgrade to 2.6 kernel (either sarge or sid) or should I leave the machine on 2.4?
[04:18] <\sh> doko: nowxmsg is missing in the libwxgtk2.4-1-python packages...do u know why?
[04:20] <doko> \sh: hmm, which version did have it?
[04:20] <\sh> doko: no version at all...
[04:20] <\sh> apt-file doesn't find anything
[04:20] <\sh> but it should be in libwxtk2.4-python (our version is libwxgtk2.4-1-python)
[04:22] <mvo> \sh: apt-file is fine again? 
[04:22] <\sh> mvo: yes
[04:22] <\sh> mvo: thx
[04:22] <mvo> \sh: thank you for pointing out the problem :)
[04:26] <doko> \sh: why do you believe it should be there?
[04:28] <\sh> doko: bittorrent-gui (aka btdownloadgui) depends on it..
[04:28] <\sh> oh no
[04:28] <\sh> more trouble...w8
[04:29] <\sh> can't load wxPython...
[04:29] <ajmitch> \sh: import wxversion
[04:29] <ajmitch> as in the wxpython changelog, seems to help it :)
[04:31] <\sh> ajmitch: it's something else...
[04:32] <\sh> hmmmm....
[04:35] <\sh> damn
[04:35] <\sh> I have to patch all this
[04:38] <\sh> and the diff.gz changes the stupid orig.tar.gz but no debian/patches/* 
[04:39] <\sh> who the hell is changing sources directly in the debianized sourcetree...*grmpf*
[04:39] <infinity> \sh : Uhm, that's pretty common/normal.
[04:39] <ajmitch> a few people do that
[04:40] <infinity> \sh : debian/patches isn't a standard, by any means, the whole point of the diff.gz is to carry Debian changes.  It was only through time that more complex packages found a patch system to be more useful.
[04:40] <infinity> \sh : I maintain packages that go both routes.  Complex ones with patch systems, and simple ones with changes in the diff.
[04:40] <\sh> infinity: if you have a look on the bittorrent package, u'll see this is not even a oneline change they made
[04:41] <infinity> I've had a look at bittorrent many times.
[04:41] <infinity> In fact, I have this nagging feeling I promised someone I'd do an upload of it...
[04:41] <\sh> infinity: I'll fix it now...in the way they did it :)
[04:42] <infinity> Oh, right.  Mez wanted me to fix it.
[04:42] <infinity> I had a fix pending, too.  Silly me.
[04:42] <infinity> -ETOOBUSY
[04:42] <infinity> Unread messages slip out of view too quickly. :/
[04:42] <\sh> what was it?
[04:42] <\sh> bittorrent-gui is in universe and not working as expected...actually it's not working at all...
[04:42] <infinity> Something about broken wxgtk-python deps.
[04:43] <\sh> yes
[04:43] <infinity> Looks like a one-line fix.
[04:43] <\sh> I'm fixing this right now :)
[04:43] <\sh> no it's not
[04:43] <infinity> Ahh, well the patch he sent me was.  I hadn't gotten around to testing yet. :)
[04:43] <\sh> the runtime-dep is oneline...the fix for multiple wxgtk python versions installed is a 2 liner ,-)
[04:43] <infinity> Oh fine, 3 lines then.
[04:44] <infinity> Close enough. :)
[04:44] <\sh> infinity: 10 lines ,-)
[04:46] <\sh> ok...done
[04:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:50] <sivang> hey bddebian, 'sup ?
[04:50] <bddebian> Hello sivang.  Not much unfortunatel. :-(  You?
[04:51] <\sh> ok....fixed...
[04:51] <\sh> now testing
[04:54] <pvanhoof> how is x-server-* today?
[04:55] <pvanhoof> will stuff work if I upgrade breezy today? :()
[04:55] <pvanhoof> :)
[04:56] <chmj> hey shackan 
[04:58] <\sh> ok...going home...laters 
[04:58] <shackan> heil
[04:58] <jsgotangco> mako: so the debian bible is now out, congrats
[05:00] <shackan> chmj, sorry for disapperaring, I'm working on the GUI now and yesterday I had to learn python and glade from scratch in about three hours (and obviously you can't test anything until there's a client to test with.. soo.. :-(
[05:01] <chmj> shackan: uhmm.... ok 
[05:01] <chmj> shackan: noticed there ware no updates 
[05:02] <chmj> shackan: have you looked at the proposed specs from bluez mailing lists ? 
[05:02] <shackan> yes, I'm weeding a lot of bugs out
[05:02] <shackan> uhm, I'm subscribed to those.. but, what specs ? the dbus daemon you mean ?
[05:03] <shackan> this? [Bluez-devel]  bluetoothd D-Bus interface proposals(draft 00.03)
[05:05] <shackan> yesterday I took a look at kdebluetooth, and I realized that they're project has been worked on for almost two years by several programmers, and it's still beta, and I'm doing more or less the same thing, but in two months..
[05:05] <shackan> *their
[05:06] <shackan> chmj ?
[05:06] <chmj> shackan: yes 
[05:07] <paolo-> seb128: hi!  Is there any hope to get a more recent libcairo1 on breezy?
[05:07] <chmj> shackan: the documentation they have there looks promising don't you think ? 
[05:08] <fabbione> siretart: we need 2.6. breezy glibc don't support 2.4 anymore = we can't install/build on it
[05:08] <paolo-> Hey shackan :)
[05:08] <shackan> well, I emailed Claudio Takahasi a couple of times, it seems he's trying to do the very same thing as me, but with a different approach: he's writing tons of patches for the existing bluez-libs trying to force them into a dbus-capable program, I'm wrapping the existing bluez, unchanged, into a higher-lever api
[05:08] <shackan> but, yes, the docs look good and I used some of it as a reference
[05:10] <chmj> shackan: oh good, was gonna suggest that you use them as a reference 
[05:12] <shackan> if I was going to show him the code he'd surely be interested, but he told me I'd rather speak about those matters publicly on the list, but posting *that* code on the list would be shameful :( (yes, I don't have much respect towards the way I code, especially when I'm in a hurry like now)
[05:12] <JaneW> hi all please have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyGoals there lots of green-ness happening. Let me know if any more goals have migrated to Green yet! Kthnxbye
[05:13] <chmj> shackan: eheh, ok 
[05:16] <paolo-> seb128: maybe these does work on ubuntu as well http://cairographics.org/packages/debian/ ?
[05:20] <seb128> paolo-: hi. What is the issue with the current one?
[05:21] <paolo-> seb128: the header files missing some functions
[05:21] <seb128> paolo-: which one? I can patch that
[05:22] <paolo-> cairo.h doesn't have cairo_surface_reference, cairo_surface_mark_dirty, cairo_surface_mark_dirty_rectangle.
[05:22] <paolo-> cairo-features.h changed in some way but it's probably due to the newer releases
[05:23] <seb128> /usr/include/cairo/cairo.h:cairo_surface_reference (cairo_surface_t *surface);
[05:23] <seb128> it has this one here
[05:23] <paolo-> That's strange, it does not appear here.
[05:24] <seb128> $ nm -D /usr/lib/libcairo.so | grep cairo_surface_mark_dirty
[05:24] <seb128> $
[05:24] <paolo-> Err, surface_reference is there.  The other two are missing 
[05:24] <seb128> same for cairo_surface_mark_dirty_rectangle
[05:24] <seb128> the lib doesn't have these function, that's NOTABUG
[05:25] <seb128> anyway, cairo will be updated after colony 3 you will have to wait
[05:25] <paolo-> When will it be?
[05:25] <seb128> the soname has changed and some 200 packages are to rebuild
[05:25] <gilligan_> hi
[05:25] <seb128> paolo-: when it's ready, cf topic :)
[05:25] <paolo-> I'm writing the haskell bindings for the Google SoC and I have a timeline :-(  Sigh.
[05:25] <paolo-> UH - today.
[05:26] <seb128> paolo-: I'm sure than 2 functions don't make that of a big deal to change, for you, do they ?
[05:26] <seb128> ie: can that wait 1-2 days?
[05:27] <gilligan_> i'm looking for somes hints on how to reproduce/understand some hoary installation bug  -- installation stalls during 'Setting up primary installation repository..' and the only suspicous looking log output is  'debconf: Obsolete command TITLE Apt configuration called' -- unfortunately there is no strace in busy box -- any ideas what to look at.. ?
[05:28] <paolo-> I can.  I didn't get it was "today" :-)
[05:28] <paolo-> seb128: thanks much.
[05:28] <seb128> paolo-: you're welcome
[05:31] <HiddenWolf> huh, people are already using it, cool. :)
[05:34] <gilligan_> hrm.seems like the problem is known but nothing has been done about it yet..
[05:38] <struggler> I am having logout problems using sshd and I have the symptoms reported against 3.4P1
[05:38] <struggler> The test created by Jani Jaakkola says that the hang on exit bug exists.  thoreuputic #ubuntu confirms this
[05:38] <struggler> anyone interested?
[05:39] <ogra> struggler, so if you got confirmed that its a bug, why not file it ? :)
[05:39] <struggler> ogra: He confirmed the test, not that it is a bug, that is why I am asking here
[05:40] <ogra> struggler, just file it then... we'll either confirm or drop it in bugzilla according to validity... see topic, everyone is very busy today
[05:40] <struggler> ogra: thank you
[05:41] <infinity> Is this the "if you start an application that leaves some fds open and then backrounds without properly closing them, then sshd hangs on exit" bug?
[05:41] <struggler> infinity: yes
[05:41] <infinity> Right, nothing new, then.
[05:41] <infinity> Considered fixing the application that's leaving fds open? :)
[05:42] <infinity> (Though, I thought sshd had a workaround for this now..)
[05:42] <struggler> infinity: well, if I knew which application was leaving them.....
[05:42] <ogra> infinity, it would be nice to have it fixed for ltsp before release though
[05:42] <struggler> infinity: I'll try and figure out which one
[05:43] <infinity> Well, what are you running and backgrounding before you try to exit?
[05:43] <struggler> infinity: I'm not backgrounding anything, this happens after long shell sessions
[05:44] <struggler> infinity: Apparently somebody isn't being nice and is leaving a file open, I'll go wading through the lsof output
[05:44] <gilligan_> hm.. sorry to bother, but is it some kind of open secret that the hoary installation is utterly broken ?
[05:45] <struggler> infinity: thanks
[05:45] <infinity> gilligan_ : Are you sure it's not just a bad CD burn?
[05:45] <infinity> gilligan_ : I've not seen that problem here.
[05:45] <gilligan_> infinity, nope.. the CD is fine
[05:46] <gilligan_> i had to kill /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -o Acquire::gpgv:: ...  in order to get on
[05:47] <gilligan_> but then installing grub fails, simply because /sbin/grub-install is not available
[05:47] <infinity> gilligan_ : Seriously, if apt-cdrom is having a conniption fit, it's almost got to be a bad CD (or broken hardware)
[05:48] <infinity> gilligan_ : You can swear up and down that both are okay, but in thousands of successful installs, I've not seen this.
[05:48] <gilligan_> i just unpacked the PC, and the burned the CD the 2nd time.. so i dont think so
[05:49] <gilligan_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=1422091
[05:49] <gilligan_> it seems like i am by far not the only one experiencing this
[05:50] <infinity> Ahh, what language are you using?
[05:50] <gilligan_> American English
[05:51] <infinity> There are claims in one of these threads that things are goofy under certain languages.  en_US wouldn't be one of them, though. :)
[05:51] <gilligan_> right.. i've skimmed that but found it so horribly unlikely that i haven't tried it yet hehe
[05:51] <gilligan_> but as i'm running out of options i'll give that a try
[05:52] <gilligan_> eh.ah.. en_US would NOT be one of them? ok
[05:52] <gilligan_> infinity, well this is for sure not my first ubuntu install.. but i've never exprienced these problems
[05:53] <gilligan_> infinity, and although i think that the language setting thing from the forum is crap there actually does seem to be some problem with the hoary install
[05:53] <gilligan_> i.e not a hardware/CD problem of mine
[05:54] <Nafallo> jdub: ping
[05:55] <infinity> gilligan_ : Well, I agree that apt-cdrom shouldn't be hanging (it appears to be hanging on wanting input, which it'll never get, cause it doesn't have a TTY), it will only do so if it thinks the CD isn't quite right.
[05:56] <infinity> gilligan_ : You're welcome to file a bug and see if you can work it out with mvo.
[05:56] <ogra__> do we have blackdown in multiverse already ? 
[05:57] <ogra__> doko ? 
[05:57] <gilligan_> infinito, i'll see if I can get it to install with this CD somehow -- as I said i already burned the iso twice so another broken CD is very unlikely
[05:57] <doko> ogra__: no
[05:57] <ogra__> doko, but its planned ? 
[05:57] <infinity> gilligan_ : And others in the thread have claimed that lowering CD burn speed to something like 1x or 2x has magically solved it for them.
[05:58] <infinity> (which points at a misbehaving burner)
[05:58] <ogra__> doko, else i need a idea for a workaround for edubuntu... java availability is essential
[05:58] <gilligan_> infinity, bunring speeds .. language settings.. sounds like lots of voodoo hehe
[05:58] <infinity> gilligan_ : Language was way off base, but burning speed isn't voodoo.  High speed burns are quite often problematic.
[05:59] <infinity> gilligan_ : I've had many errors on high speed burns on a variety of machines.
[05:59] <mvo> gilligan_: do you have the complete command (with arguments) where it hangs? 
[05:59] <gilligan_> infinity, yeah that's true.. but i only burned it 8x
[05:59] <\sh> infinity: no root burning ,-)
[05:59] <infinity> And there's mvo now.
[05:59] <mvo> gilligan_: also I have done a lot of installs and apt-cdrom has never hung for me :)
[05:59] <doko> ogra__: JavaRoadmap was deferred for breezy+1
[06:00] <gilligan_> mvo, during 'Setting up primary installation repository' it always stalls at 25%
[06:00] <ogra__> doko, totally ? its *really* essential for edubuntu 
[06:00] <ogra__> doko, i dont see a prob in adding blackdown to multiverse
[06:01] <mvo> gilligan_: can you see on the second console/log what command is run with what arguments?
[06:01] <gilligan_> mvo, now I disabled the network device which solved the problem because apt does not even check for reprositories
[06:01] <doko> ogra__: you are not allowed to ship a competing SDK ...
[06:01] <mvo> gilligan_: so it hangs when trying to access the network probably. are you behind a firewall/proxy?
[06:01] <gilligan_> mvo, i can rerun the installation with network enabled..
[06:01] <ogra__> doko, i dont want to ship anything
[06:01] <infinity> mvo : <gilligan_> i had to kill /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -o Acquire::gpgv:: ...  in order to get on
[06:02] <ogra__> doko, i want it in multiverse
[06:02] <gilligan_> mvo, i set up ipmasq on my powerbook
[06:02] <ogra__> s/want/need
[06:02] <doko> ogra__: -> elmo
[06:02] <gilligan_> mvo, i tried fetching something with wget via console - which worked
[06:02] <ogra__> doko, ok... i thought i heard sabdfl and you talking about it the other day
[06:02] <gilligan_> so it can't be that it stalls because it waits for a connect
[06:03] <mvo> gilligan_: so you killed apt-cdrom (with network) and the install continued after that? but if you install without a network then it works?
[06:03] <gilligan_> i only noted the process I killed.. which was /usr/bin/apt-cdrom -o Acquire::gpgv::Options::==--ignore.. sorry, don't have the rest
[06:04] <gilligan_> mvo, when I killed it I got some message 'finished scanning bla something' .. but appearently other things went wrong because grub was not even available .. /usr/sbin/grub-install was missing
[06:05] <mvo> gilligan_: there have been reports about long delays while the installer tried to access a firewalled network. this would be my no1 guess right now. could you run the install to the point of the hang again?
[06:05] <gilligan_> mvo, running the installation w/o network set up it does not even get to the point where it stalled before
[06:05] <mvo> gilligan_: oh, interessting. what happend then? where did it stoped?
[06:06] <gilligan_> mvo, as wget worked from console i don't think that its a firewall issue
[06:06] <gilligan_> mvo, well running w/o network the whole installation works fine -- apt-cdrom just does not seem to be started at all
[06:07] <gilligan_> mvo, but hold on.. i'll redo the whole installation with network just like before
[06:07] <mvo> gilligan_: do you have a installed system now?
[06:07] <mvo> gilligan_: if so, hold on and run apt-cdrom from it please
[06:07] <gilligan_> booting it right now
[06:07] <gilligan_> lets see if its fine
[06:08] <gilligan_> afterwards i can repeat the installation to see where it stops and give you more details
[06:08] <mdke> gah, trying the breezy installer and can't resize my windows partition, hoary was fine. Any ideas?
[06:09] <gilligan_> ah,doh..accidently booted from cd again
[06:11] <gilligan_> huh..  complains about some files in /lib having timestamp in future
[06:12] <gilligan_> anyways.. let me try the installation again
[06:12] <mvo> mdke: does it now work at all? or only take _very_ long?
[06:12] <mvo> s/now/not/
[06:13] <mdke> mvo, it seems to refuse to do it, after I enter the new size it just takes me back to the partition screen without my changes
[06:13] <mvo> mdke: anything in the logs?
[06:14] <mdke> where do I find them?
[06:14] <gilligan_> tty4
[06:14] <mvo> mdke: alt-f2, alt-f3, alt-f4
[06:14] <mdke> looks like bug #7758?
[06:15] <mdke> can't see the logs, the installer has moved on
[06:16] <mvo> mdke: they will be copied to the harddisk after the install (/var/log/installer)
[06:16] <mdke> ok
[06:16] <mdke> the installer has crashed now during the next stage anyway :)
[06:18] <gilligan_> mvo, its installing the base system now .. the problem should come up after that
[06:19] <mdke> also in hoary i had wifi during the install, on breezy i don't
[06:19] <mvo> mdke: that's just a bug
[06:20] <mdke> looking
[06:20] <\sh> mdke: madwifi? 
[06:21] <mdke> no i think it is ipw2100
[06:21] <gilligan_> man i've watched that progress bar quite some times today.. :)
[06:27] <gilligan_> mvo: copying mirror configuration .. Setting up installation repository  --> and now it hangs again at 25%
[06:27] <gilligan_> during "configuring apt..." that is
[06:28] <gilligan_> right after I went through setting up a regular user & time zone settings
[06:28] <mvo> gilligan_: can you do a ps ax on the shell?
[06:29] <gilligan_> k.. what do u want me to look for?
[06:29] <mvo> and /msg me the output?
[06:29] <mvo> gilligan_: hm, you probably can't copy'n'paste :/
[06:29] <gilligan_> hehe.. i was about to say :)
[06:35] <\sh> grmpf..bittorrent is totally broken it seems
[06:45] <mvo> ping ogra, ogra__ 
[06:45] <Treenaks> ogra__: will hwdb be back?
[06:45] <mitsuhiko_> Treenaks: hope so
[06:46] <ogra__> Treenaks, yes, after preview freeze i'll have some more time for it
[06:46] <Treenaks> (it would be nice to list the hardware IDs for the LaptopTesting laptops on the wikipages :))
[06:46] <ogra__> currently i put all time into edubuntu and a bit into gnome-power
[06:47] <\sh> ok..bittorrent + bittorrent-gui fixed
[06:49] <HiddenWolf> ogra, how is edubuntu coming along?
[06:49] <\sh> brb changing to another laptop for better working
[06:50] <ogra__> HiddenWolf, some things are missing and it suffers from the common ubuntu problems wrt install CD
[06:50] <ogra__> but that all will be sorted for preview ....
[06:51] <Treenaks> I need an easier WEP key
[06:51] <HiddenWolf> ogra__, cool!
[06:51] <Treenaks> this is starting to suck, with all the re-installation :)
[06:52] <mdke> turn it off :)
[06:54] <Treenaks> mdke: and let my neighbours see what porn I watch? no way!
[06:54] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, too much ;)
[06:54] <mdke> got some tech neighbours eh?
[06:54] <Treenaks> mdke: at least 1
[06:55] <carstenh> isn't wep insecure anyway?
[06:55] <ogra__> carstenh, more secure then no WEP ;)
[06:55] <carstenh> ogra__: but less secure than i.e. openvpn
[06:56] <ogra__> sure
[06:56] <Lathiat> or WPA
[06:56] <Lathiat> it stops passers by
[06:56] <mdke> hell MAC filtering will stop passers by
[06:56] <Lathiat> no it wont
[06:56] <Lathiat> depends what you mean by stop
[06:56] <Lathiat> mac filtering will stop them using it
[06:56] <ogra__> mdke, faking a MAC address is as easy as xworking around WEP
[06:56] <Lathiat> it wont stop themf rom sniffing it
[06:57] <Lathiat> and taht
[06:57] <Lathiat> *that
[06:57] <carstenh> .oO(mac-spoofing...)
[06:57] <Lathiat> altho its harder on some wireless
[06:57] <Lathiat> depends on the driver
[06:58] <mdke> ogra__, you need to know the MAC address before faking it
[06:58] <Lathiat> mdke: which is easy if theyre using the network at the time
[06:58] <ogra__> mdke, yes, you need to sniff the arp requests
[06:58] <mdke> ah
[06:58] <mdke> oh well
[06:58] <mdke> open networks are good anyhow
[06:59] <Lathiat> yeh if i ever get busted for downloading something dodgy i can claim it could have been anyone :)
[06:59] <Lathiat> besides if someone wants to use my wireless theyre more than welcome
[07:00] <Lathiat>  no one has ever associated yet
[07:00] <pitti> elmo: please sync clamav (yes, new upstream, but only a microrelease with two security patches, and universe)
[07:01] <mike_douglas> Lathiat: I used to have that attitude, before I got a call from my ISP for using 60GB of bandwidth in one month.
[07:01] <Lathiat> if i use too much bandwidth i get shaped
[07:01] <Lathiat> no calls, no charging, etc
[07:01] <Lathiat> so its not like it'd be devestating
[07:01] <Lathiat> and i'd notice
[07:01] <gilligan_> i just tried to resolve/reproduce some hoary installation bug with mvo but he had to leave .. anyone here working knowledgable about the installation routines etc.. ?
[07:02] <gilligan_> s/working//
[07:03] <mvo> gilligan_: leaving now (to play hockey!). it seems like on your burn the directory ".disk" is missing
[07:03] <gilligan_> no i just checked.. its there
[07:03] <gilligan_> i accdently checked the wrong dir before hehehe (/me hides)
[07:05] <ogra__> mvo, you had #13496 on ubuntu too, right ? according to mdz it didnt occur at all to him
[07:05] <pitti> seb128: wrt #13445, would you object to adding a dependency to python2.4-cairo in  python2.4-gnome2? I think hal-device-manager is not the right place to add it
[07:06] <mike_douglas> I'm getting a "out-of-date-standards-version" with lintian, what is the latest Standards-Version?
[07:06] <pitti> seb128: I can do it myself, just asking for your ack
[07:06] <gilligan_> apt-cdrom is stuck .. strace reveals .. write(1,That is not a valid name, try again") .. write(1,Please provide a name for this Disc such as 'Debian 2.1r1 Disk1" ..
[07:06] <gilligan_> its outputting that in a loop
[07:06] <pitti> mike_douglas: 3.6.2
[07:06] <Lathiat> pitti: i thought that already got uploaded
[07:06] <Lathiat> for gtk2
[07:06] <seb128> pitti: that's fixed for 2 days
[07:06] <mike_douglas> pitti: thanks
[07:07] <pitti> seb128: hm, I dist-upgraded this morning, but thanks; will check
[07:07] <seb128> pitti: dup of #13457
[07:07] <seb128> pitti: build issue
[07:08] <seb128> hum no
[07:08] <pitti> seb128: ah, ok, so I'm not completely dumb :-) thanks
[07:08] <seb128> do you have pygtk 2.7.3-0ubuntu2 ?
[07:08] <seb128>  pygtk (2.7.3-0ubuntu2) breezy; urgency=low
[07:08] <seb128>  .
[07:08] <seb128>    * debian/control:
[07:08] <seb128>      - python-gtk2 Depends: python-cairo
[07:09] <seb128> 
[07:09] <seb128> mdz did that upload sunday
[07:09] <Lathiat> python-gtk2 vs python2.4-gtk ?
[07:09] <pitti> Version: 2.7.3-0ubuntu2
[07:09] <Lathiat> err
[07:09] <Lathiat> i mean
[07:09] <pitti> indeed
[07:09] <Lathiat> +2 on the end
[07:09] <seb128> pitti: mdz screw, feel free to fix it :)
[07:10] <Lathiat> indeed,
[07:10] <Lathiat> needs to be in both really
[07:10] <pitti> seb128: right, that's it
[07:10] <pitti> seb128: it must be at python2.4-gtk
[07:10] <seb128> I bet he updated control instead of control.in 
[07:10] <seb128> and the changes got overwritten 
[07:10] <Lathiat> python-gtk2 still depends on python-ciaro
[07:10] <seb128> grumpf no
[07:10] <Lathiat> but python2.4-gtk2 doesnt depend on python-gtk2
[07:10] <seb128> pygtk is not a gnome-pkg format
[07:10] <pitti> seb128: h-d-m -> python2.4-gnome2 -> libcairo, but no python-cairo
[07:11] <Lathiat> pitti: you want gtk2 not gnome2
[07:11] <seb128> pitti: python2.4-gtk2 should depends on python2.4-cairo
[07:11] <pitti> seb128: right
[07:12] <seb128> Lathiat: "<Lathiat> but python2.4-gtk2 doesnt depend on python-gtk2"
[07:12] <seb128> Lathiat: that's normal, the non versionned version is here to depends on the current version
[07:12] <seb128> no other way
[07:12] <Lathiat> seb128: sure i was just pointing out
[07:12] <Lathiat> thats why it doesnt work
[07:12] <seb128> and python-gtk2 doesn't need to Depends on python-cairo
[07:13] <seb128> it depends on python<version>-gtk2 which depends on python<version>-cairo
[07:13] <seb128> pitti: you do the change?
[07:13] <pitti> seb128: yes
[07:14] <Lathiat> http://bur.st/~lathait/python-gtk2.debdiff
[07:15] <Lathiat> err, http://bur.st/~lathiat/python-gtk2.debdiff
[07:15] <seb128> pitti: thanks
[07:15] <seb128> Lathiat: hum ... no offense but neither pitti or me need a debdiff to know how to fix a Depends
[07:16] <Lathiat> i was just wondering if it was right
[07:16] <seb128> the python-cairo Depends is not required but doesn't hurt
[07:16] <Lathiat> and yes i know both of you have far more experience than i :)
[07:16] <seb128> but that works yep
[07:17] <mdz> seb128: I had to make that change in order to un-break LTSP
[07:17] <trygvebw> has the name of breezy+1 been decided yet?
[07:17] <seb128> mdz: you didn't put the python2.4-gtk2 Depends on python2.4-cairo on purpose?
[07:18] <HiddenWolf> trygvebw, amuse me with suggestions? :)
[07:18] <pitti> seb128: I'm sure that was just a small glitch
[07:18] <trygvebw> HiddenWolf: nah :P
[07:18] <trygvebw> i was just wondering ;)
[07:18] <seb128> pitti: yeah, me too
[07:19] <pitti> seb128: fixed, btw
[07:19] <seb128> thanks
[07:19] <Lathiat> y
[07:19] <seb128> time to discuss that == time to fix it * 5 :p
[07:19] <bddebian> heh
[07:23] <mdz> seb128: no
[07:23] <mdz> seb128: the package you uploaded was broken; you could not even "import gtk".  I added the dep as a quick fix; it is not quite right
[07:23] <seb128> mdz: k, that what we were discussing ... but the discussion is quite longer than required, pitti fixed it 
[07:23] <seb128> mdz: yeah, sorry for that
[07:24] <mdz> seb128: I didn't screw it; I just didn't fix it correctly :-)
[07:24] <seb128> :)
[07:24] <mdz> Mithrandir: lib32stdc++6 promoted
[07:25] <mdz> Mithrandir: have you already uploaded the package which will depend on it?
[07:25] <mdz> mjg59: grub patch?
[07:26] <mdz> mantiena: ubuntu express status has been regularly posted to ubuntu-devel for the past week; subscribe to that list if you are interested in it
[07:29] <cassidy> All main packages aren't supposed to have a entry into the bugzilla?
[07:29] <\sh> cassidy: main == bugzilla reporting / universe == malone reporting
[07:30] <pitti> Morning mdz
[07:30] <pitti> seb128: btw, does that already qualify to get my "I fixed a gtk bug" badge? :-)
[07:30] <\sh> cassidy: if the name is not there use unknown .. and file a bug in bugzilla for the missing entry
[07:30] <cassidy> \sh:   yes i know, but don't find to report for gparted (main package)
[07:31] <seb128> pitti: yeah, you have just won the pleasure to maintain GTK for a month and that FOR FREE :)
[07:31] <seb128> pitti: congrats :)
[07:31] <cassidy> \sh: ok, i will do that. thanks!
[07:31] <seb128> ah ah
[07:31] <mdz> pitti: morning
[07:31] <pitti> seb128: oh shit, now I'm the one who touched it last, I didn't think about that
[07:32] <seb128> :)
[07:32] <seb128> how do you think I get it? :p
[07:32] <seb128> s/get/got/
[07:32] <pitti> seb128: you were just *born* to be the gnominator...
[07:33] <seb128> hahaha
[07:39] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, ooo2-amd64
[07:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: -1ubuntu10-2?
[07:41] <Mithrandir> yes
[07:41] <mdz> Mithrandir: should be all set; would you check that it's all installable on amd64 now?
[07:41] <mdz> then I'll roll CDs
[07:42] <ogra_> yay
[07:44] <mdz> at last count, kubuntu-desktop was uninstallable on amd64 (but apparently ubuntu-desktop was installable)
[07:44] <mdz> never mind
[07:44] <mdz> all desktops are uninstallable on amd64
[07:44] <Mithrandir> huh?  They shouldn't be.
[07:44] <mdz> as of Tue Aug 16 17:14:15 UTC 2005
[07:44] <Mithrandir> why?
[07:44] <mdz> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/breezy_probs.html
[07:45] <mdz> Binaries from ubuntu-meta 0.62 cannot be installed:
[07:45] <mdz>     * ubuntu-desktop(amd64) 
[07:45] <mdz> Binaries from openoffice.org2-amd64 1.9.121-1ubuntu10-2 cannot be installed:
[07:45] <mdz>     * openoffice.org2(amd64)
[07:46] <mdz> I promoted lib32stdc++6 well before the last cron.daily
[07:50] <Mithrandir> so why can't -common be installed?
[07:52] <Cimmerian> it says colony 3 will release, so i just thought i'd mention that the rootfs won't mount on stage two of todays breezy-install-i386.iso
[07:55] <mdz> Mithrandir: you are asking me?
[07:56] <mdz> Cimmerian: it does for others, so it's probably an initramfs driver issue.  please report to bugzilla under package: initramfs-tools
[07:56] <mdz> Cimmerian: include lspci output
[07:56] <Cimmerian> ok, will do, it's in a virtual machine (vmware)
[07:56] <pitti> mdz, Mithrandir: lib32stdc++6 | 4.0.1-4ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/universe Packages
[07:57] <pitti> mdz: ^ that's the cause for half of the current breezy installability problems
[07:57] <mdz> lib32stdc++6 | 4.0.1-4ubuntu3 |        breezy | amd64
[07:57] <pitti> hmmm, odd
[07:57] <mdz> I promoted it at :24; cron.daily at :33 should have resulted in it moving to main/Packages
[07:57] <mdz> I guess we will see what happens at :03
[07:58] <Mithrandir> mdz: yes, it's supposed to be installable just fine. :-)
[08:00] <Treenaks> Is the "X doesn't generate a valid config file" bug known?
[08:00] <Treenaks> (xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model not set. Aborting.
[08:00] <ogra> Treenaks, it works here... eve if the config isnt perfect
[08:01] <mdz> it was known a couple of weeks ago, and fixed
[08:01] <Treenaks> mdz: I'm using a daily breezy from about an hour ago\
[08:01] <mdz> Treenaks: dated?
[08:01] <mdz> 20050816 certainly worked fine for me
[08:01] <mdz> and which CD?
[08:02] <mdz> install or live?
[08:02] <Treenaks> mdz: "current"
[08:02] <Treenaks> install
[08:02] <mdz> Treenaks: "current" points to a different CD depending on the time of day
[08:02] <mdz> so that doesn't tell me which one you have
[08:02] <Treenaks> mdz: how do I tell? is there  a file on the CD?
[08:03] <Treenaks> md5s..
[08:03] <Mithrandir> mdz: btw, I've tried to track down the d-i<->x keyboard problem most of the day and have halfway fixed it.
[08:03] <Treenaks> summing
[08:03] <mdz> Treenaks: /.disk/info
[08:03] <gilligan_> anyone here responsible for hoary installer ? tried to track down some bug with mvo earlier on, but he had to leave
[08:03] <Treenaks> mdz: 20050816
[08:03] <mdz> Mithrandir: I fixed it last night before I went to sleep
[08:03] <mdz> Mithrandir: casper 1.4
[08:03] <mdz> well, I backed out the change which broke it
[08:04] <mdz> Treenaks: it must be specific to your configuration, then
[08:04] <Treenaks> mdz: I'll file it
[08:04] <Treenaks> mdz: md5sum matches 20050816.6
[08:05] <mdz> oh, that's not the same one I tested then
[08:05] <mdz> Treenaks: info only says 20050816, but it's really 20050816.6?
[08:06] <Treenaks> mdz: .disk/info says "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" - Alpha i386 (20050816)
[08:06] <Treenaks> mdz: md5 matches .6
[08:07] <Mithrandir> mdz: well, I got it mostly working with debconf-copydb
[08:15] <pitti> Mithrandir: just apt-get updated, now lib32stdc++6 | 4.0.1-4ubuntu3 | http://archive.ubuntu.com breezy/main Packages
[08:18] <ogra> why do i have sparc and hppa in edubuntu-meta, grrr... update fails constantly on these arches... i dont even need them... hmpf
[08:18] <gilligan_> hoary won't install because apt-cdrom is stuck (strace shows its looping..) and warty install as alternative does not work because its stuck right in the beginning ingoring keyboard input
[08:18] <siretart> hey, sparc rocks. I just installed one ;)
[08:18] <ogra> siretart, there is no edubuntu for sparc :/
[08:19] <ogra> but it breaks my update script for the meta package...
[08:19] <ogra> as well as hppa....
[08:19] <mdz> Mithrandir: oh, good
[08:19] <lamont> mdz: http://bugs.debian.org/50572 for more on the whole 'WTH is RTC a module anyway?' discussion
[08:20] <mdz> Mithrandir: I think I got to the point of realizing that we need to use debconf-copydb from cdebconf to copy from cdebconf to debconf, and decided that was too ambitious for colony 3 ;-)
[08:20] <mdz> lamont: what discussion is that?
[08:21] <lamont> that's the explanation on why I'm moving hwclockfirst.sh back from S22 to S18, and reintroducing a bug :-(
[08:21] <ogra> AAAARGH 
[08:21] <ogra> W: http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports/dists/breezy/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz was corrupt
[08:21] <lamont> OTOH, I'm working through having the kernel have CONFIG_RTC=y instead of =m, so we don't see said bug
[08:21] <ogra> the fourth time now
[08:22] <mdz> ogra: why don't you just take it out?
[08:22] <ogra> mdz, is that ok ? 
[08:22] <mdz> lamont: the amd64 bug?
[08:22] <lamont> mdz: OTOH, I need to make sure that hwclockfirst.sh has a correct enough subset of hwclock.sh, etc.
[08:22] <lamont> the 'hwclockfirst.sh bitches about RTC on $ARCH' bug, for arch = ... amd64 ...
[08:23] <mdz> ogra: edit the update script and remove them from the architectures variable
[08:23] <ogra> mdz, ok, thanks
[08:23] <mdz> ogra: then remove all the *-hppa, *-sparc
[08:23] <ogra> yep
[08:26] <ogra> mdz, bte, we have the first running edubuntu install out in the field :)
[08:26] <ogra> btw even
[08:26] <ogra> with ltsp and icewm....
[08:26] <mdz> that's great
[08:26] <ogra> yup :)
[08:27] <mdz> whmere?
[08:27] <mdz> where?
[08:27] <ogra> Petaris in #edubuntu ... dunno where he is located
[09:10] <leonel> is it safe to move from hoary to breezy  ? does the  scary c++ things had passed ?
[09:11] <leonel> I know it's under development but is it stable enough to use as a non critical desktop
[09:11] <leonel> ?
[09:11] <Nafallo> leonel: yea, but xorg remains without a few binaries :-)
[09:11] <Nafallo> leonel: no, things are still changing.
[09:12] <Nafallo> not much, but they are.
[09:12] <leonel> i know
[09:12] <leonel> but it's usable  
[09:12] <leonel> or not ?
[09:12] <HiddenWolf> leonel, mostly
[09:13] <Nafallo> leonel: don't ask me. I've used it since it hit the archive ;-)
[09:13] <leonel> Nafallo, jajaja
[09:13] <leonel> HiddenWolf, that sounds like hold on 2 or 3  more weeks
[09:13] <HiddenWolf> leonel, your call
[09:13] <leonel> i know
[09:23] <mdz> ogra: it would be good if you could test the current CD build
[09:23] <mdz> ogra: presumably your issue was specific to non-English installs
[09:23] <stianj> after an upgrade after this friday, my breezy box went totally bananas, most Gnome applications either segfault or show this message: "Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_accel_label_set_accel_closure: assertion `gtk_accel_group_from_accel_closure (accel_closure) != NULL' failed". Only happening to me?
[09:24] <seb128> that's a known launchpad-integration warning, it doesn't hurt
[09:24] <ogra> mdz, i will
[09:24] <ogra> mdz, you mean ubuntu or edubuntu ? 
[09:25] <seb128> stianj: this message is not what make your app crash. A backtrace would be nice 
[09:25] <mdz> ogra: ubuntu, the build I just made
[09:25] <ogra> (i will test tomorrows edubuntu daily anyway, sice i think it should be safe for installation if colony 3 works)
[09:25] <ogra> ok
[09:25] <Keybuk> seb128: random panel problems: no "Text Editor" and no "Run Application"
[09:26] <\sh> when will colony 3 be ready to download?
[09:26] <ogra> \sh, for testing.... now !
[09:26] <ogra> \sh, for using ... after testing ;)
[09:26] <seb128> Keybuk: "Run App" has been dropped on purpose, "Text Editor" is under Accessories
[09:26] <\sh> ogra: harhar...I have to replace the kernel in any way :)
[09:26] <seb128> Keybuk: is gedit installed?
[09:26] <Keybuk> it isn't under my Accessories
[09:27] <Keybuk> yeah, gedit is installed
[09:27] <ogra> \sh, you need some test HW ....
[09:27] <seb128> gnome-menu-spec-test  | grep gedit ?
[09:27] <ogra> \sh, at least for the next release cycle
[09:27] <stianj> ok... Then it's something different. As an example; my gdm crashes (restarts) at the instant I hit a button on my keyboard. Then I tried to remove gdm and just use startx, then X started, but some gnome-apps don't start at all (gnome-terminal, evolution..), and if I click the titlebar on any app, the app disappears, then comes back after a couple of seconds (but doesn't quit). It's really weird! I don't even know what component I should file a bu
[09:27] <stianj> g on..
[09:27] <Keybuk> the package doesn't appear to contain a .desktop file though
[09:27] <Keybuk> seb128: returns nothing
[09:27] <ogra> mdz, thats .8, right ? 
[09:27] <seb128> gedit-common: /usr/share/applications/gedit.desktop
[09:27] <\sh> ogra: ah well..yes...yeah...w8...yeah I just found m money tree...,-)
[09:28] <Keybuk> hmm, I have that, yup
[09:28] <seb128> Keybuk: do you have this file? If yes, did you play with a menu editor?
[09:28] <ogra> \sh, shake it !!
[09:28] <Keybuk> it doesn't appear in the menu editor either
[09:28] <seb128> right click on the menu and edit
[09:28] <seb128> hum
[09:28] <\sh> ogra: only leafs..no money..shame
[09:28] <stianj> seb128, it seems evolution crashes in libXcursor.so.1
[09:28] <ogra> \sh, bah, what kind of money tree is that ?
[09:29] <seb128> stianj: can you put a backtrace somewhere? ie pastebin.com ?
[09:29] <ogra> \sh, someoe cheated you apparently...
[09:29] <Keybuk> weird, I hate a .local/share/applications/gedit.desktop with NoDisplay=true in it
[09:29] <Keybuk> s/hate/had/
[09:29] <stianj> seb128, sure, but isn't that rather useless when Evolution isn't built with debug symbols?
[09:29] <\sh> ogra: actually...I had it for 7 years now...but u know...now it's gone together with the money...:)
[09:29] <seb128> Keybuk: that's it. Previous nautilus version had a bug, when changing the default app for a type the end by masking system desktop files like this
[09:29] <Keybuk> why did Run Application go?
[09:31] <ogra> Keybuk, alt-f2
[09:31] <seb128> Keybuk: upstream decided that's not useful here, people use Alt-F2 or the menu entries directly ... I don't really agree with that, but that the kind of discussion where you never get everybody agreeing so the maintainers took the decision
[09:31] <mdke> :(
[09:31] <mdke> i use that all the time
[09:31] <Keybuk> gah, I hate people hiding things in Keyboard Shortcuts
[09:31] <ogra> seb128, i thought gnome-launch-box was supposed to replace it one day
[09:31] <mdke> that will hit the intermediate users
[09:31] <ogra> .... one far future day.....
[09:32] <stianj> seb128, http://pastebin.com/338462
[09:32] <Keybuk> "...you don't need to run applications..."
[09:32] <seb128> ogra: there is no plan about that, this app is a quick hack not working well and not hacked for month
[09:32] <ogra> seb128, i know, i followed it since you included it in hoary... and dropped it some weeks ago
[09:33] <Keybuk> (I only noticed because I needed it to run gedit <g>)
[09:33] <stianj> quit
[09:33] <stianj> damn
[09:33] <stianj> wrong window
[09:34] <ogra> seb128, we should consider re-adding run application... its only a .desktop entry more... i agree with you that its bad to remove it
[09:34] <seb128> Keybuk: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2005-February/msg00169.html
[09:34] <ogra> s/a/one
[09:35] <seb128> ogra: that's not a desktop file, that's some panel code
[09:35] <mdke> if the Run Application tool is gone, more programs should have menu entries IMHO
[09:35] <seb128> stianj: try changing your cursor theme maybe?
[09:35] <seb128> stianj: which one do you use?
[09:36] <seb128> stianj: gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/peripherals/mouse/cursor_theme
[09:37] <Keybuk> there are far lower hanging fruit than Run Application :-/
[09:38] <Keybuk> mdke: PrintScreen isn't it? :)
[09:38] <ogra> i think we should re-add it, even if its more then a .desktop file.... i thought its still gnome-run
[09:38] <mdke> i hate it when people hide things in desktop shortcuts
[09:38] <seb128> Keybuk: yeah, there is a bug open about "Take Screenshot" as well now
[09:38] <mdke> *keyboard
[09:38] <ogra> argh
[09:39] <mdke> i'm with ogra for readding Run Application
[09:39] <mdz> +1 breezy-install-amd64.iso
[09:39] <seb128> ogra: no, it's some panel code ... but it's easy to put back if we want it. Nobody really complains, I'm not sure we should change now
[09:39] <stianj> seb128, bah, it was my fault. I'm terribly, terribly sorry for wasting your time! (But you helped me find it :) Thanks!
[09:39] <seb128> mdke: no need of keyboard, just use the menus
[09:40] <seb128> stianj: np. What did you do? So if somebody else got the same issue I know what to reply ... :)
[09:40] <ogra> seb128, i finally got used to alt-f2 , but i didnt know it would stay out of the panel
[09:40] <\sh> libgl1-xorg-dri has installation problems
[09:40] <Keybuk> *shrug* if we're cleaning up the other crap in the menu too, leave Run Application off
[09:40] <\sh> /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/gamma_dri.so is also in xlibmesa-dri
[09:42] <seb128> Keybuk: there is no other crap for the Applications menu :)
[09:42] <\sh> daniels: missed a eplaces?
[09:42] <\sh> Replaces even?
[09:42] <mdz> breezy-live-amd64.iso has broken oo.o2; rolling a new livefs for it
[09:42] <seb128> Keybuk: but I don't have strong opinion on the question, I don't really care, I use alt-F2 :)
[09:42] <Keybuk> seb128: me neither
[09:43] <Keybuk> (leave it off the menu, I meant)
[09:43] <Keybuk> there's crap in Places and System <g>
[09:43] <stianj> seb128, heh, lately pornview has segfaulted at startup, I was trying to fix that, and found out with strace that the last thing before it segfaulted it tried to open /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/gnome/index.theme, so I symlinked /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default to that directory.. (and forgot before I restarted...) Sorry :)
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> stianj, pornview, do I want to know?
[09:44] <Keybuk> stianj: was it crashing on particular files?
[09:44] <seb128> stianj: k
[09:45] <seb128> stianj: but that should not make every app crashing ...
[09:47] <Nafallo> HiddenWolf: pornview rocks! imageviewer with xinelib-glue :-)
[09:47] <HiddenWolf> Nafallo, gnome ships with half a dozen imageviewers already, why would anyone want another one?
[09:48] <Nafallo> HiddenWolf: gnome does not ship this one :-)
[09:48] <Nafallo> HiddenWolf: cause you can use it for all your porn? both pictures and movies :-)
[09:48] <HiddenWolf> i gathered that much.
[09:48] <carstenh> pornview does not support svg :(
[09:48] <Nafallo> carstenh: svgporn? LOL
[09:48] <Nafallo> :-)
[09:49] <\sh> mdz: for #11097 bugzilla is the correct position :) for cxx transitions
[09:49] <mdz> \sh: pardon?
[09:49] <ogra> \sh, universe
[09:49] <\sh> ogra: yes..but cxx trans
[09:49] <mdz> \sh: who told you that?
[09:49] <\sh> mdz: because we filed all cxx trans bugs in bugzilla.
[09:50] <mdz> \sh: why?  I asked for them not to be filed in bugzilla for universe packages
[09:50] <mdz> as with all other universe bugs
[09:51] <ogra> mdz, doko used bugzilla for cxx transition tracking, it was better to use then the wiki for this amount of packages, but universe shouldnt be in there...
[09:51] <\sh> mdz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CxxLibraryList ->  For each library (for universe as well), create a bug report at [WWW]  http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/, the subject/title must start with CXX transition: <source name> renaming ... (i.e. "CXX transition: libfoo renaming ...") (universe package can use UNKNOWN as th
[09:51] <ogra> seb128, mdz did you two talk about the screensaver situation already ? 
[09:52] <mdz> ogra: no
[09:52] <mdz> \sh: who wrote that? doko?
[09:52] <\sh> mdz: if he created this wiki page, then yes
[09:53] <\sh> mdz: and if you do a query over bugzilla for CXX transition: you will see a lot of bugs for libs even from universe
[09:54] <ogra> mdz, seb128 thinks gnome-screensaver isnt ready... i tend to agree that we'll at least will need the "random screensaver" functionality from CVS and we have no screensavers in a separate package to use them with gnome-screensaver.... on the other hand i stopped working on the lockscreen patch (85% done) ...
[09:54] <mdz> \sh: I know
[09:54] <seb128> I've not said it's not ready!
[09:54] <mdz> \sh: and when I saw them, I posted a comment saying that they should not be there
[09:54] <seb128> I've said feature freeze was previous week
[09:54] <seb128> and we would require coming version
[09:55] <seb128> and maybe to split xscreensaver to make a -data package
[09:55] <doko> mdz: yep, all are marked with CXX, so they can easily be identified
[09:55] <mdz> doko: they do not belong in Bugzilla, and they create work for me there
[09:56] <ogra> s/isnt ready/isnt ready as it is now/
[09:56] <ogra> seb128, :)
[09:56] <mdz> +1 breezy-live-i386.iso for me
[09:56] <doko> mdz: would it be ok to lower the severity of these, but not close them?
[09:57] <mdz> doko: it would be an improvement
[09:57] <ogra> bah
[09:57] <ogra> 1:27 here
[09:57] <Nafallo> ogra: what are you? :-)
[09:57] <stianj> seb128, no, it shouldn't crash everything, but it actually did
[09:57] <ogra> Nafallo, ??
[09:57] <Nafallo> dooh
[09:57] <seb128> stianj: can you describe what you do to get this crasher?
[09:57] <Nafallo> ogra: where are you? ;-)
[09:58] <ogra> Nafallo, still in germany.... 1:27 to go for the CD download
[09:58] <stianj> seb128, and what's up with pornview I have no idea :( It stopped working about a month ago... 
[09:58] <ogra> :)
[09:58] <\sh> ogra: update to 6mbit/s? ,-)
[09:58] <stianj> it just segfaults..
[09:58] <stianj> ok, it's easy :)
[09:58] <ogra> \sh, 5km to the next headend... i have to thank the telekom that i get 768K here
[09:59] <carstenh> s/768/1024/?
[09:59] <stianj> seb128, ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/gnome
[09:59] <Nafallo> ogra: haha, I thought it was the time ;-)
[09:59] <ogra> Nafallo, *g*
[09:59] <ogra> carstenh, nope, but i'm 'allowed' to pay for 1024 :)
[10:00] <stianj> seb128, or you were maybe talking about pornview? It just started segfaulting at startup about a month ago after an upgrade... Have no idea why..
[10:00] <ogra> carstenh, the signal normally breaks down to unusable at 4.5km
[10:00] <carstenh> ogra: then the cd is either very small or your 768 are very fast
[10:00] <\sh> ogra: hmmm...they should put a repeater between you and the VST
[10:00] <seb128> stianj: nop, the cursor bug
[10:01] <ogra> carstenh, wget shows 79.14K/s 
[10:01] <carstenh> ogra: i think i remember a higher distance
[10:01] <\sh> carstenh: 4km is the magical frontier normally...4.5km is good will, 5km a wonder >5km is hell
[10:01] <ogra> carstenh, thats what they told me... after i made some trouble... since in te beginning they switched it to 256
[10:02] <\sh> carstenh: copper lines...I think it's mounted on lampposts in ogras area ,-)
[10:02] <stianj> seb128, that's just ln -s /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/default/ /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/icons/gnome, and everything went bananas here..
[10:02] <ogra> \sh, exactly
[10:02] <\sh> ogra: really, I mean it was just a guess...
[10:03] <stianj> seb128, it's 100% reproducible. Make that symlink and click on a titlebar (whichever)
[10:03] <stianj> seb128, can you reproduce?
[10:03] <ogra> \sh, except everything has its own pole ... one for power, one for phone...
[10:03] <seb128> I'll try later
[10:03] <seb128> I kind of use my apps atm
[10:03] <\sh> and I'm sure, daniels forgot a Replaces: in the debian/control
[10:03] <\sh> ogra: that's for sure...everything is iso9001 *lol'*
[10:03] <stianj> seb128, hehe, ok :)
[10:04] <\sh> else even
[10:04] <stianj> should I file a bug regarding the pornview issue, or is pornview more or less abandoned?
[10:04] <carstenh> ogra: the graph i saw was about the maximum distance of dsl at all, not the bandwidth the telekom offers, so i guess you are right :)
[10:05] <rob^^^> are daily builds mirrored anywhere?
[10:05] <\sh> carstenh: the higher the bandwidth, the higher the frequency (modulation) on the lines...the longer the cables, more biterrors occur..so the bandwidth decreases
[10:05] <ogra> carstenh, i'd have a faster line if i could get one, i kind of live from this connection :) 
[10:06] <\sh> ogra: ask QSC? they're working with better hardware...but using the same wires
[10:06] <ogra> my next house will have a 10Mbit SDSL line ;) 
[10:07] <ogra> \sh, i'm not sure i'll stay here, too much trouble with my silly landlord living in the cellar...
[10:08] <\sh> ogra: eeks...yes...I forgot
[10:09] <\sh> ogra: i have to find another flat as well...this flat is becoming to expensive.
[10:09] <ogra> \sh, looks like we'll probably move to hessen, i leave the decision for the next house to suse ...
[10:09] <Nafallo> SuSE?
[10:09] <ogra> \sh, you have to find a better job, not a cheaper flat
[10:10] <ogra> Nafallo, my GF susanne :)
[10:10] <Nafallo> ogra: *puuh*
[10:10] <ogra> heh
[10:10] <\sh> ogra: I quote daniels: "harhar"
[10:10] <\sh> ah...new job
[10:10] <\sh> yes
[10:11] <\sh> jane gave me some interessting links for immigrating to ZA and getting a working permit..lets check
[10:11] <ogra> heh
[10:11] <ogra> \sh, i know someone with a connection to an ostrich farm, i could get you a job if you need one :) 
[10:12] <ogra> \sh, as .. hrm, cowboy ... hehe
[10:12] <\sh> ogra: it's no joke...if I find a job in ZA somewhere in durban, cape town or joburg...I'll leave this country...starting from scratch
[10:13] <ajmitch> \sh: why ZA?
[10:13] <ogra> \sh, good plan, i'd join... but ETOOMANYANIMALS
[10:14] <\sh> ajmitch: because I love this country...and u can do many things helping to develop the country there and help the people
[10:14] <\sh> ajmitch: psst, the truth: because of the wine and the biltong there...and the steaks are tasting like steaks not like drugs ,)
[10:15] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:15] <\sh> ajmitch: and jeffreys bay is a good place for living  ;)
[10:15] <ogra> \sh, hey, other people pay a lot for their testosterone shots
[10:16] <\sh> ogra: man, warn me before u doing this...I just swallowed my cigarette
[10:17] <ogra> \sh, so stay meateater in germany and just start bodybuilding.... soon there are chances you become mdz's gouvernor
[10:18] <\sh> ogra: no ways...my goals are set: max. 3 years and I'm living in Durban near the beachfront or Jeffreys Bay or Hermanus..depends on my money and the job I'm getting there :)
[10:18] <mdz> ogra: I thought he was from austria
[10:19] <mdz> (the governor, not \sh ;-) )
[10:19] <ogra> mdz, no reason to not replace him with a german :)
[10:20] <\sh> about what are u talking? who should I replace?
[10:20] <Nafallo> the good thing with ubuntu is that it is fun while it's no-fun :-)
[10:20] <mdz> Nafallo: no-fun?
[10:20] <ajmitch> \sh: ah, so it was wxversion to get bittorrent going? :)
[10:21] <\sh> ajmitch: yes :) and bittornado as well...
[10:21] <mdz> ogra: why is it taking so long for you to download if you had a copy of 20050815?  the changes are not large
[10:21] <ajmitch> heh :)
[10:21] <Nafallo> mdz: several wars on ubuntu sweden vs. a local lug for the SFD :-/
[10:21] <Keybuk> what's the thing you put in a bug alias to indicate it's a debian bug?
[10:21] <Nafallo> mdz: I found the role of peacemaker ;-)
[10:21] <mdz> Keybuk: deb<bug number>
[10:21] <Keybuk> #8627 is a general dpkg problem and not ubuntu-specific (and too hard to fix for just ubuntu at this stage)
[10:21] <Nafallo> anyway, we will co-op again now :-)
[10:21] <mdz> Keybuk: that's to associate it with an existing Debian bug
[10:21] <Keybuk> is filling that in an alias and marking the bug NOTWARTY valid for this?
[10:21] <Nafallo> after som phonecalls ;-)
[10:22] <mdz> Keybuk: UPSTREAM would be the appropriate status
[10:22] <ogra> mdz, because i dont have the iso anymore.... my burner is in the testserver i reinstalled ...
[10:22] <ogra> i havent kept a copy... :(
[10:22] <Keybuk> okies
[10:23] <doko> mdz: please could you promote libcapi20-3 to main (was unbuildable for some time, therefore the late change)
[10:25] <pitti> guys, can you please check whether you  have /etc/udev/scripts/removable.sh and call dpkg -S on it?
[10:25] <mdz> doko: just a soname change?
[10:25] <doko> yes
[10:25] <mdz> not a new library?
[10:26] <doko> no, we did have libcapi20-2, part of isdnutils ;)
[10:26] <\sh> pitti: i have it, but dpkg -S tells me I don't have it
[10:26] <mdz> doko: there is no libcapi20-3 in breezy
[10:26] <doko> ?
[10:26] <\sh> mdz: it's part of the new build of isdnutils of doko
[10:26] <pitti> \sh: same for me, this is the cause for many of my bugs...
[10:27] <mdz> ...which would be waiting in NEW
[10:27] <doko> ok, that could be.
[10:27] <mdz> doko: I've processed it; ping me again when it's in the archive so that it can be promoted
[10:27] <\sh> pitti: so this could be the issue why on my portege the usb stuff is not popping up automatically? 
[10:27] <ogra> pitti, same here
[10:29] <pitti> ogra, \sh: yes, I have a lot of dup bugs which look similar
[10:29] <\sh> pitti: w8..lemme have a look on the portege
[10:29] <ogra> yippie, edubuntu desktop is installable again :-D
[10:30] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:31] <ogra> i was a bit to quick with including tuxpaint/math ... but want to have a usable CD tomorrow...
[10:31] <seb128> pitti: nice catch for the udev bug!
[10:32] <\sh> pitti: ok...on the last clean install on this portege no removable.sh is in /etc/udev/scripts
[10:32] <pitti> ok, then I think we have found the root cause of a gazillion hotplug bugs
[10:33] <pitti> thanks for checking
[10:33] <pitti> so who kicked removable.sh??
[10:33] <pitti> anyway, I'll put it back
[10:34] <mdz> doko: what kind of changes are involved in "Upgrade to new aspell (old-style hashes). "?
[10:36] <mdz> pitti: Keybuk touched it last ;-)
[10:36] <Keybuk> "kicked" ?
[10:36] <\sh> hmmm
[10:37] <mdz> +1 breezy-install-i386.iso
[10:37] <mdz> Keybuk: "made to vanish"
[10:37] <Nafallo> anyone except fabbione know how stable the sparc port is?
[10:37] <Keybuk> weren't me guv'na
[10:37] <\sh> guys...when I copy the kernel config out of /boot/ and put it into a ubuntu kernel source tree...the resulting kernel should have the same symbol versioning as the running kernel?
[10:37] <Keybuk> I debdiff'd before I uploaded <g>
[10:38] <fabbione> Nafallo: stable for server install.... working out some issues with gnome and the toolchain atm
[10:38] <doko> mdz: dependency changes only.
[10:38] <fabbione> Nafallo: not all of universe is there yet.. main almost all
[10:38] <doko> 1. Change "Provides: aspell6-dictionary" to "Provides:
[10:38] <doko>    aspell6a-dictionary"
[10:38] <doko> 2. Ensure dictionary files are installed to /usr/lib/aspell
[10:38] <doko> 3. Remove any dependency on libaspell15 (see #310590) or aspell-bin
[10:38] <doko>    (which no longer exists).  Instead depend on aspell (>= 0.60.3-2).
[10:39] <Nafallo> fabbione: not something for people to try out in a booth on SFD then? :-/
[10:39] <mdz> doko: the kind that make uninstallable packages installable, or the kind which make installable packages uninstallable?
[10:39] <fabbione> Nafallo: nope...
[10:39] <doko> the former, of course
[10:39] <\sh> ogra: name a good wifi scanner app in ubuntu
[10:39] <fabbione> Nafallo: not something you can show as desktop
[10:39] <mdz> doko: if this causes my CD builds to be broken, I will be very unhappy
[10:40] <mdz> I am trying to prepare a Colony release
[10:40] <ogra> \sh, dunno, #ubuntu-motu got spammed a lot by wifi-radar discussions, i dont have a use for such tools out here
[10:40] <doko> mdz: all the aspell changes will unbreak things
[10:40] <Nafallo> fabbione: oki, thanx :-)
[10:40] <\sh> ogra: k...
[10:41] <fabbione> Nafallo: no problem.. hopefully we will make breezy in a decent state
[10:41] <fabbione> Nafallo: breezy+1 will be a dead line for me
[10:41] <ogra> \sh, i'm pretty sure the next wifi is more ten 20km away
[10:41] <ogra> then
[10:41] <seb128> pitti: please stop restart dbus on upgrade, I'm borred to be slaped by dbus upstream and GNOME guys :/
[10:41] <Nafallo> fabbione: nice :-)
[10:41] <\sh> ogra: hehe :) 
[10:41] <pitti> seb128: feature freeze?
[10:42] <Mez> just wondering: wheres the fglrx kernel module gone?
[10:42] <pitti> seb128: why do they slap you?
[10:42] <seb128> pitti: restart is a feature?
[10:42] <seb128> pitti: because they keep getting random weird bugs or crashs
[10:42] <pitti> switching it off is easy, but why should we?
[10:42] <pitti> the only thing that crashes is the battery applet
[10:42] <seb128> pitti: and that's getting worst with the number of apps using dbus
[10:42] <pitti> but daniels told me that this is cared for
[10:43] <pitti> hmm
[10:43] <pitti> I talked with daniels and jdub about this this morning
[10:43] <pitti> maybe we four should talk about this again 
[10:43] <seb128> pitti: we are going to loose this fight, we can't patch the world again upstreams
[10:43] <seb128> pitti: I talked for 1 hours with walters on #gnome-hackers last week
[10:43] <pitti> seb128: reminds me of win 2k, one reboot for every system change... :-/
[10:44] <seb128> you already restart for an xorg upgrade
[10:45] <seb128> no big difference for dbus
[10:45] <seb128> keep it running, it keeps working for the session
[10:45] <pitti> the session bus is not restarted
[10:45] <pitti> we should try to limit the packages that require a reboot
[10:45] <seb128> yeah, I agree
[10:45] <seb128> but now a part of the desktop use dbus
[10:46] <seb128> there is a branch of gnomevfs using dbus instead of bonobo
[10:46] <seb128> and same for evolution
[10:46] <seb128> and rhythmbox
[10:46] <seb128> etc
[10:46] <seb128> we are going to have to patch the world against upstream
[10:46] <seb128> I'm not sure that's worth the efforts
[10:46] <pitti> all of these things use the system bus?
[10:46] <pitti> agreed, we can't patch them all
[10:47] <pitti> patching g-v-m, update-notifier and battery-applet is still sane
[10:47] <seb128> not sure, I've not tried all the stuff switching to dbus
[10:47] <seb128> but take the print stuff and cups
[10:48] <pitti> so to change this, we need to change just dbus itself and hal, AFAICS
[10:48] <\sh> ok...coming back just now
[10:49] <\sh> back with portege
[10:49] <Keybuk> score!  I found a still-in-its-box PS/2 Mouse in the loft
[10:50] <mdz> hmm
[10:50] <mdz> so I don't suppose anyone besides me has tested a live CD in the past few days
[10:50] <mdz> because xresprobe seems to be broken
[10:50] <seb128> still 1h30 to get mine
[10:51] <\sh> mdz: tell me something else about libgl1-xorg-dri...is it a missing Replaces on xlibmesa-dri?
[10:51] <Keybuk> ...now all I need is a PS/2 port; d'oh
[10:51] <mdz> \sh: no idea, ask daniels
[10:51] <pitti> mdz: I tested the dvd, but I didn't even come that far - stage1 b0rked because of missing kernel modules
[10:51] <\sh> oh...and battery monitor crashed when I'm changing from battery mode to charging mode
[10:51] <\sh> on portege at least
[10:51] <mdz> pitti: I haven't even built DVDs
[10:52] <mdz> whatever is there is presumably a broken weekly build from some time ago
[10:52] <pitti> well, it is from August 13
[10:52] <pitti> not so bad
[10:52] <pitti> of course the live image can be much older
[10:54] <doko> mdz: libcapi20-3 is in the archive
[11:03] <Keybuk> Mez: 'sup?
[11:04] <Keybuk> sweet, I managed to really annoy X by unplugging the mouse during a click
[11:04] <Mez> what time do the SB lug meetinsg normally run ... I might pop over to it this thursday if it aint too late for me to get the train back
[11:04] <Mez> lmao @ keybuk
[11:04] <Mez> er ...
[11:04] <Mez> why did you do that
[11:07] <Keybuk> dunno, I've never turned up for an SB lug meeting other than the one I talked at
[11:07] <Mez> lmao ...
[11:07] <Mez> gonna continue the trend?
[11:07] <Keybuk> I generally don't remember them
[11:08] <Mez> dont remember what#
[11:08] <\sh> dear gnomes..please adjust your keyboard shortcuts for changing desktops
[11:08] <Keybuk> that they're on
[11:08] <Mez> to ctrl + tab
[11:08] <\sh> argl...
[11:09] <Nafallo> \sh: adjust them yourself ;-)
[11:09] <Nafallo> \sh: ALT+F# wfm ;-)
[11:09] <\sh> why not ctrl+tab+alt+t or something...is ctrl+f1 or alt+f1 to bad?
[11:10] <\sh> Nafallo: well..actually it's my good will to use gnome at all...but sometimes I'm stucked
[11:10] <\sh> and did I say that the portege is burning my left knee?
[11:11] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:11] <\sh> the fan is not starting at all...but it's quite hot
[11:12] <Keybuk> Mez: debugging someone's mouse problem; and was leaning over when I unplugged it :p
[11:14] <\sh> echo 'force_on: 1' > /proc/acpi/toshiba/fan
[11:14] <\sh> nice trick to force cooling
[11:15] <Nafallo> \sh: and to minimize the batterylevel? ;-)
[11:16] <\sh> Nafallo: right now it's on the net ,-)
[11:17] <\sh> hmm...last cigarette
[11:17] <Nafallo> \sh: for life I hope :-)
[11:18] <\sh> Nafallo: it's a dream..but it will last until tomorrow morning
[11:18] <ajmitch> last one... until the next one, that is :)
[11:18] <Nafallo> such weakness ;-)
[11:19] <\sh> gnarf
[11:20] <\sh> american scientist found out, that people wearing coloured glasses and smoking tobacco are the most creative and funniest people ever *eg*
[11:30] <Keybuk> ok, that's really strange, the MAC address of my ethernet card has changed
[11:30] <\sh> suddenly or with purpose?
[11:31] <Keybuk> since I last net-booted
[11:31] <Keybuk> oh, maybe that got changed with the system board
[11:31] <Keybuk> it's changed from "Compaq Corp" to "Hewlett Packard" heh
[11:32] <sladen> Keybuk: yes, it's burned into the eeprom
[11:32] <Nafallo> lol
[11:32] <Nafallo> :-)
[11:32] <\sh> so with purpose...;)
[11:33] <Nafallo> that's like the time so tried why a card could load both 8139too and 3c509 :-P
[11:33] <Nafallo> but only would work with 3c509 ;-)
[11:33] <Nafallo> -ETWOCARDS :-P
[11:35] <mdz> fabbione: what changes did you make to portmap?
[11:35] <mdz> it no longer has the correct default
[11:36] <mdz> your changelog was rather nonspecific
[11:42] <Keybuk> mjg59: ping?
[11:46] <pitti> mvo: I thought with serpentine? 
[11:46] <Nafallo> with serpentine :-)
[11:46] <mvo> pitti: I haven't found a "copy cd" with it
[11:46] <Nafallo> ah, _copy_ cds
[11:46] <mvo> yep :)
[11:47] <Nafallo> nautilus-cd-burner I believe?
[11:47] <mvo> does anyone know how? I right clicked on the cd but no "copy" or "duplicate" or something option
[11:48] <mvo> oh, found it
[11:48] <Nafallo> I got Copy Disk on my empty CD-rom ;-)
[11:48] <mvo> hm, the right-click menu from the audio-cd on the desktop is different from the one in "computer". is this supposed to be?
[11:49] <seb128> mvo: not sure
[11:50] <mvo> seb128: it's pretty cool that n-c-b can copy now too :) does it use cdrdao for it?
[11:50] <seb128> pitti: do you know why dpkg ask for not move/changed file: #12318 ?
[11:50] <seb128> mvo: yeah, pitti has make a wiki page for it this morning (thanks pitti!)
[11:50] <mvo> pitti++ 
[11:50] <mvo> :)
[11:52] <pitti> seb128: no idea, maybe it wasn't a conffile in the past or moved from one package to another?
[11:52] <seb128> pitti: moved, no ... not a conffile file, maybe, thanks for the hint
[12:00] <ogra__> night mvo
[12:01] <mvo> hey ogra__! how is colony going?
[12:01] <ogra__> burning... ready for installation in 3 mins
[12:02] <seb128> pitti: k, that was that ... the debian packagin has "rules:  perl -pi -e 's#^/etc/gdm/factory-gdm.conf\n##sm' debian/gdm/DEBIAN/conffiles"
[12:02] <mvo> rock, fingers crossed that it works fine
[12:02] <mpt> 1. Open it in Nautilus. 2. Try to drag stuff. 3. Weep hot tears. 4. I'm not sure what step 4 is. :-)
[12:03] <Nafallo> mpt: file a bug? :-)
[12:03] <seb128> mpt: what is that supposed to do? works for me
[12:03] <paolo-> Why is it called "Colony" ?:)