[09:29] <ploum> Which it is currently in UTC ?
[09:32] <robitaille> date -u
[09:32] <robitaille> Tue Aug 16 07:32:19 UTC 2005
[09:32] <ploum> robitaille, thx :-)
[01:45] <Virtuall> is 12:00 UTC after 15 mins or am I wrong? :)
[01:45] <ondrej> mm all
[01:45] <ajmitch> hi ondrej 
[01:46] <ploum> Virtuall : it is 11h45 UTC, AFAIK
[01:46] <Virtuall> good then
[01:46] <Virtuall> :)
[01:53] <Nafallo> yay swedes! :-)
[01:55] <jjesse> is this the community meeting?
[01:56] <Seveas> jjesse, it will be in 5 minutes
[01:56] <Mitario> it's due to begin in 5 minutes :)
[01:56] <Nafallo> jjesse: in 5 minuted it should be :-)
[01:56] <jjesse> i just didn't want to miss it like i did the other ones :(
[01:56] <rbelem> Nafallo, ogra: hey...
[01:56] <Nafallo> rbelem: morning :-)
[01:56] <minux> So, I may be in here if I shut up?
[01:56] <Seveas> sure
[01:56] <ogra> hey rbelem 
[01:56] <rbelem> Nafallo, morning ,-)
[01:57] <minux> Seveas: :)
[01:57] <Nafallo> rbelem: ahh, nice! starting a team already :-D
[01:57] <rbelem> ogra, morning :-)
[01:57] <ogra> doesnt look like we have any CC member here
[01:57] <Mithrandir> heh
[01:57] <ogra> which is bad if new memebers shall get approval
[01:57] <gothcat> *lol*
[01:57] <Seveas> it'll be a short meeting then :)
[01:58] <rob^> which meeting is it?
[01:58] <Seveas> CC
[01:58] <mako> greetings everyone
[01:58] <ogra> rob^, CC
[01:58] <Seveas> welcome mako
[01:58] <ajmitch> hi mako 
[01:58] <\sh> hey mako
[01:58] <rob^> k
[01:58] <Seveas> that's one - only 3 to go :)
[01:58] <ajmitch> ogra: how many CC members are needed?
[01:58] <ogra> 3
[01:58] <Seveas> ajmitch, min. 3 to get a majority
[01:58] <rbelem> Nafallo, a team?
[01:58] <ajmitch> right..
[01:58] <mako> it shouldn't be hard to get the others
[01:59] <ondrej> hi seb128, hi mako
[01:59] <Simira> oi
[01:59] <Seveas> hi Simira 
[01:59] <Nafallo> rbelem: BrazilTeam, you _are_ RodrigoBelem, right? :-)
[01:59] <Simira> I accidentally made a cc-meeting!
[01:59] <seb128> Hi ondrej
[01:59] <rbelem> Nafallo, yeah ;)
[01:59] <Seveas> Simira, no it's already over
[01:59] <Nafallo> Simira: hehe, *hug*
[01:59] <gothcat> Simira: hi!
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[01:59] <Simira> Seveas : hey, I know the clock, you know :p
[01:59] <rbelem> Nafallo, Ian Lawrence and me started the team
[01:59] <Simira> but I can go have lunch instead...
[02:00] <rbelem> Nafallo, he gone to ubuntu conf in spain
[02:01] <Seveas> 14:00 sharp now
[02:01] <Seveas> Hello everybody, the CC meeting will start in a few minutes. All member candidates please prepare a 3 line intro about what you did for Ubuntu so far, what your plans are and what your vision for Ubuntu is. Everybody who has an item in the agenda (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda) also prese prepare what you want to say in a few lines and wait for your turn. Please remember to stay on-topic and to take other discussion
[02:01] <Seveas> s to other channels. \end{publicserviceannouncement}
[02:01] <rob^> Seveas, is it too late now?
[02:01] <Seveas> s/prese/please/ (/me gets coffee too)
[02:01] <Seveas> rob^, just wait, the meeting will start as soon as the CC members are here
[02:02] <rob^> Seveas, to nominte for membership
[02:02] <Seveas> the agenda should no longer be changed now
[02:02] <ogra> Seveas, ah, come on
[02:03] <ogra> i think its ok as long as the meeting didnt start
[02:03] <Seveas> true
[02:03] <mako> yeah, it's fine
[02:03] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MoritzBreit
[02:03] <ogra> impressive
[02:03] <ajmitch> mako: I hope it's decent coffee then
[02:03] <mbreit> orga: thanks! ;)
[02:03] <ogra> :)
[02:04] <ajmitch> mbreit: nice wiki page :)
[02:04] <mbreit> ajmitch: thanks
[02:04] <rob^> done
[02:05] <\sh> hmmm...
[02:05] <siretart> hi :)
[02:05] <mako> ajmitch: a moka
[02:05] <mvo> mbreit: pingus? *yum*
[02:07] <mbreit> mvo: fixed gcc4 issues... so it works again in breezy
[02:07] <mvo> mbreit: great! /me likes pingus
[02:08] <Seveas> (said like a true pingu)
[02:09] <\sh> hmm...need a quick smoke...
[02:11] <Seveas> does ho smoke such bad cigars?
[02:12] <ogra> heh... the cheap ones...
[02:12] <Treenaks> Seveas: Look to the southeast.. you might see him too
[02:12] <Seveas> Treenaks, I;m looking to the east and see smoke, what are you doing? ;)
[02:12] <Seveas> s/east/west/
[02:13] <Treenaks> Seveas: So that's where the barbecue smell is coming from...
[02:14] <rob^> mmm doritos and coffee
[02:14] <Seveas> hmm, barbecue
[02:15] <rob^> geek staple diet
[02:17] <Seveas> 16 minutes now, about the normal delay for a CC meeting :)
[02:17] <Treenaks> :P
[02:17] <\sh> back
[02:17] <Seveas> wb
[02:17] <ondrej> normal delay for _every_ meeting :)
[02:17] <Seveas> nah
[02:17] <Seveas> normal *duration* for TB meetings :)
[02:17] <Virtuall> :
[02:17] <ploum> How long are CC meetings generaly ? (just to plan my afternoon)
[02:18] <rob^> we normally just go, not so formal the docteam
[02:18] <Treenaks> ploum: they take until the next meeting is scheduled ;)
[02:18] <Seveas> I once wanted to watch a TB meeting and was 8 minutes late. The meeting was over by then :)
[02:18] <Lathiat> haha Seveas 
[02:18] <Seveas> ploum, 2 hours
[02:18] <Nafallo> ploum: lot's of stuff on the agenda, dunno :-)
[02:18] <Seveas> (at least)
[02:18] <ploum> Thkx for your replies ...
[02:19] <Seveas> That's why I always do the public service announcement, if everyone is prepared it can save a lot of time
[02:19] <ploum> Seveas, it's a good idea. I just did it and typed my intro
[02:19] <mako> ogra: ok.. you pinged the others, right?
[02:20] <ogra> yup, others pinged them here too
[02:20] <ogra> no reaction so far
[02:20] <mako> ok..
[02:20] <mako> did anyone call or sms the others?
[02:20] <Seveas> I sent out a message in #u-d to elmo/sabdfl
[02:20] <ogra> nope
[02:20] <Seveas> no response
[02:20] <mako> ok.. so kamion is not going ot make it
[02:21] <Nafallo> mako: do we need to decide anything on the LoCo teams? I know JennyLw can't stay after 14 UTC.
[02:21] <ajmitch> I think that kamion won't be worrying about ubuntu stuff for awhile yet :)
[02:21] <mako> Nafallo: locos don't need a vote
[02:21] <mako> yeah, kamion is on his honeymoon right no so asking him to show up might be a bad move
[02:21] <rob^> yes
[02:21] <mako> i'll sms the other two
[02:21] <Seveas> sort-of :)
[02:22] <\sh> honeymoon?
[02:22] <Nafallo> mako: we actually could process them and people start pinging/calling/mailing/kidnapping those not here? ;-)
[02:22] <mako> \sh: he got married 3 days ago
[02:22] <hno73> The SFD LoCo point I put on the agenda probably doesn't need any vote. It was just to raise awarenes of it
[02:23] <\sh> mako: ok...I'll bet in 7 years and 364 days he will be available for ubuntu again *eg*
[02:23] <Nafallo> and we should have stand-ins for those on vacation in the future ;-)
[02:23] <hno73> Ithought the CC might make a statement for recomended involvement or something
[02:24] <mako> i mean, dudes
[02:24] <mako> this is the hard time for *me*
[02:24] <Seveas> hno73, good point, I'm also interested in what other loco's are doing
[02:24] <Seveas> mako, 6am?
[02:24] <\sh> mako: marrie :) 
[02:24] <mako> 7
[02:24] <mako> it's not impossible
[02:24] <Seveas> ouch :)
[02:24] <mako> it's like 4am :)
[02:24] <mako> it's *not* like 4am
[02:24] <mako> that would be tough
[02:25] <mako> i smsed elmo and mark
[02:25] <Seveas> otherwise I would not be here :)
[02:25] <\sh> mako: come on...U don't have to listen right now to "we shall overcome" or "kumbayah my lord" the whole night like I do
[02:25] <Seveas> \sh, rofl!
[02:25] <jjesse> grin its easy when it is 8am :)
[02:26] <jjesse> just starting wor
[02:28] <ploum> I think I would have prefered 7AM...
[02:28] <ploum> It's 2PM for me and it is the first sunny afternoon in two months !!!
[02:28] <mako> ploum: i'm moving out in a couple weeks if you want my apt :)
[02:28] <mako> i am wearing a sweatshirt for the first time in 2.5 weeks
[02:28] <mako> it's actually cold
[02:28] <mako> not 40 degrees :)
[02:28] <gothcat> mako: can't we start with the locos soon?? I'm contactperson for the sewdich team but I have to go 14 UTC..
[02:29] <Nafallo> swedish :-)
[02:29] <hno73> Svensker ...
[02:29] <ploum> mako : I just finish my hacky teleporter and I'm there
[02:29] <Nafallo> hno73: ey! that's norweigan? ;-)
[02:29] <hno73> :)
[02:30] <mako> ok.. sabdfl is apparently home sick
[02:30] <mako> so maybe we're going to have to put this off for a week
[02:30] <mako> we're tryint to find out elmo's status
[02:30] <Seveas> We can handle the non-vote items
[02:30] <mako> yes
[02:30] <Nafallo> ouch
[02:30] <mako> we can
[02:30] <Nafallo> Seveas++
[02:30] <Seveas> I'll write a wrap-up for the people who were unable to attend
[02:30] <mako> gothcat: we're trying to find the council :)
[02:30] <Nafallo> LoCo + LoCo SDF :-)
[02:30] <mako> Seveas: that would be great :)
[02:31] <Nafallo> hmm, my ping to sabdfl will probably not me answered in a while then ;-)
[02:31] <Seveas> about the agenda: 2 items are marked as possible agenda leftovers
[02:31] <gothcat> mako: I know but I'm geting worried :)
[02:31] <Nafallo> mako: I'll talk to you after the meeting about some stuff then :-)
[02:31] <Seveas> please check the agenda, if this is incorrect, tell me :)
[02:31] <mako> ok
[02:31] <ploum> That sounds like a Hollywood movie :
[02:31] <mako> elmo is probably not going to make it
[02:31] <mako> his phone is diverting to voicemail
[02:31] <ploum> Indiana Mako and the lost Council
[02:31] <mako> so it's me
[02:32] <Nafallo> LOL
[02:32] <Seveas> ploum, that's going in my .signature :)
[02:32] <Seveas> ok, shall we start then?
[02:32] <gothcat> yes!
[02:33] <Nafallo> that name will follow mako forever ;-)
[02:33] <mako> just hold up
[02:33] <mako> someone at the office is talking to mark now
[02:33] <Seveas> ok
[02:33] <mako> but i'm telling him it will be fine without him since we can't vote without elmo anyway
[02:33] <mako> and there's no reason to abuse his sick body unless he really wants to :)
[02:33] <Seveas> well, mark can give a desicive vote in case of a hung jury
[02:34] <Seveas> so you+mark would be a majority 
[02:34] <mako> mark will show up
[02:34] <Seveas> (I agree to the not abusing his sick body though)
[02:34] <mako> we've never actually had a meeting with 2 people
[02:34] <ploum> mako, that's not called a meeting but "a date"
[02:35] <Virtuall> :D
[02:35] <mako> i've never been very comfortable with the 2-person CC meeting
[02:35] <mako> but it's certainly better than the 1 person meeting
[02:35] <Nafallo> mako: let sabdfl put Seveas as Kamion's standin? :-)
[02:36] <ploum> Two is the number you shall count. Not three, not one, except before the two !
[02:36] <ploum> The Holy Hand Council..
[02:36] <ozamosi> five is totaly of
[02:37] <ajmitch> Nafallo: adding a replacement/new member would probably take at least the whole council :)
[02:37] <ajmitch> if not a vote from ubuntu members
[02:37] <Nafallo> ajmitch: so a "Self-Appointed Benevolent Dictator For Life" would not suffice? ;-)
[02:37] <ajmitch> Nafallo: I believe he doesn't want to dictate to that degree :)
[02:37] <Nafallo> hehe
[02:37] <Seveas> Nafallo, it might cause another ubuntu-spatial-nautilus-like discussion/debacle :)
[02:38] <Nafallo> lol
[02:38] <ajmitch> Nafallo: the page says appointments are made by sabdfl, subject to confirmation by maintainer vote
[02:39] <Nafallo> oki
[02:39] <Nafallo> smurfix: that might be SwedishTeam then ;-)
[02:39] <mako> smurfix: ok.. lets move ahead since we don't need to vote on that stuff
[02:39] <mako> loco teams
[02:39] <gothcat> yes
[02:39] <Seveas> JennyLoow/RobinSonefors
[02:39] <Nafallo> Sweden! :-)
[02:39] <mako> alright, everyone, please state your name for the record right now
[02:39] <mako> if you haven't already
[02:39] <Seveas> Dennis Kaarsemaker
[02:39] <mako> and i just missed it
[02:39] <mako> Benjamin Mako Hill
[02:39] <ozamosi> Robin Sonefors
[02:39] <gothcat> Jenny Lw
[02:39] <Mitario> Michiel Sikkes
[02:40] <Treenaks> Martijn van de Streek
[02:40] <segfault> Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago
[02:40] <rob^> Robert Stoffers
[02:40] <ondrej> Ondrej Sury
[02:40] <mbreit> Moritz Breit
[02:40] <ajmitch> Andrew Mitchell
[02:40] <rbelem> Rodrigo Cesar Lopes Belem
[02:40] <Virtuall> Danko Alexeyev
[02:40] <hno73> Henrik Omma
[02:40] <ploum> Lionel Dricot
[02:40] <mako> ozamosi, gothcat: how are things in sweden?
[02:40] <ogra> Oliver Grawert
[02:40] <Simira> Karianne Grnningster
[02:40] <ozamosi> mako, sunny :P
[02:40] <gothcat> good :)
[02:41] <Seveas> tell us some more about the teams progress
[02:41] <gothcat> we planing to have a installparty breezy
[02:41] <Nafallo> mako: I'm admin and helper, so I will be part of this discussion at some point :-)
[02:41] <Seveas> gothcat, nice, big lanparty-like installfest?
[02:41] <Lathiat> ;win 20
[02:42] <gothcat> some thing like that maby have it on dreamhack even
[02:42] <Seveas> any SFD plans?
[02:42] <Nafallo> that's what I need to talk to sabdfl/mako about ;-)
[02:42] <gothcat> in november :P
[02:42] <Nafallo> ozamosi: ping? :-)
[02:42] <ozamosi> We (or, kindofwe) have SFD-plans
[02:42] <Seveas> like what? Give the other teams some inspiration :)
[02:42] <Treenaks> Safe For Deletion?
[02:42] <Virtuall> :)
[02:42] <Seveas> Software Freedom Day
[02:42] <Nafallo> SFD together with a local LUG :-)
[02:43] <Nafallo> I ordered 400 CDs yesterday/today :-)
[02:43] <Seveas> Nafallo, that's a bit short in time - did you coordinate this with mako?
[02:43] <mako> cds really should have been ordered through SFD
[02:43] <hno73> http://softwarefreedomday.org/
[02:43] <rob^> my LUG is pushing Ubuntu on SFD
[02:44] <Nafallo> we had the first meeting yesterday, and this SFD discussion came up handy.
[02:44] <hno73> Team locations: http://majen.net/sfdworldwide/ :)
[02:44] <ozamosi> mako, yes, but there were no loco nor lug before the deadline...
[02:44] <Seveas> hno73, nice ubuntu logo @ sfd.org
[02:44] <Nafallo> hadn't heard about it before, but those CDs will come here ASAP :-)
[02:44] <hno73> Seveas: thanks
[02:44] <Seveas> swedish team anything else you want to discuss?
[02:45] <ozamosi> Not that I can think of?
[02:45] <Nafallo> we need a mailinglist (jdub mailed) and our domain on a linode vserver :-=)
[02:45] <Nafallo> :-)
[02:45] <mako> Nafallo: alright, you've done what you need for the former
[02:45] <mako> you should coordinate for the latter with smurfix
[02:46] <mako> smurfix: right?
[02:46] <ozamosi> mako, smurfix went away
[02:46] <Nafallo> mako: oki :-)
[02:46] <mako> well, i think i'm right
[02:46] <hno73> Nafallo: email me about SFD CDs and Linode henrik@ubuntu.com
[02:46] <mako> smurfix will tell you if i'm not
[02:46] <Seveas> I thought silbs did that
[02:46] <Nafallo> hno73: CDs is done. I'll mail you about Linode though :-)
[02:46] <hno73> OK, cool
[02:47] <mako> alright
[02:47] <Seveas> next up: BrazilTeam (RodrigoBelem/IanLawrence)
[02:47] <mako> ozamosi, gothcat did you guys have anything else?
[02:47] <rbelem> hi all ;)
[02:47] <mako> thanks for showing up :)
[02:47] <gothcat> no
[02:47] <ozamosi> mako, no
[02:47] <mako> cool, well keep in touch
[02:47] <mako> let us know what worked and didn't :)
[02:47] <gothcat> :P
[02:47] <rbelem> ian can't be here
[02:47] <mako> rbelem: that's cool
[02:48] <mako> rbelem: how is brazil?
[02:48] <ogra> rbelem, thats ok.... we dont have a full council here anyway today
[02:48] <rbelem> well...
[02:48] <ogra> so nobody can approve new members
[02:48] <rbelem> we have a mailiig list with around  140 members
[02:48] <rob^> doh
[02:49] <rbelem> Ian and me did 3 talks about ubuntu and ubuntu-br
[02:49] <rbelem> we did some install fests
[02:49] <Seveas> rbelem, if you have english versions of slides/notes, put them on the wiki (non-engish versions may be welcome too)
[02:50] <Seveas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations
[02:50] <mako> versions in any language are fine
[02:50] <rbelem> Seveas, ok... it's in portuguese ;-)
[02:50] <mako> rbelem: that's fine :)
[02:50] <segfault> just for the records... http://www.prognus.com.br/~carlos/installfest/63.html
[02:50] <segfault> ph33r :-)
[02:51] <mako> rbelem: how many people do you have participating in your loco?
[02:51] <rbelem> and we plan be a cds distribution point
[02:51] <mako> rbelem: do you mean on a national scale?
[02:52] <rbelem> yeah ;-)
[02:52] <mako> rbelem: at the moment, we're not really able to do that but we don't need to discuss the details of why now
[02:52] <rbelem> mark was here
[02:52] <mako> rbelem: hno73 made a similar proposal not long ago and other people have suggested it for a long time but it's logitistically more work than we can handle at the moment
[02:52] <mako> ok
[02:53] <mako> so, brazil is a big country
[02:53] <mako> how geographically spread out are you?
[02:53] <mako> your loco?
[02:53] <rbelem> cds have a great delay
[02:53] <mako> rbelem: i understand that
[02:53] <rbelem> around 4 moths
[02:54] <rbelem> i live in north
[02:54] <rbelem> i guess the cds production will be done in two cities
[02:54] <rbelem> Manaus and Porto Alegre
[02:55] <segfault> Well, i'm a member too of the Brazilian Team, and we're in the South part of Brazil, and my city is near to Paraguay and Argentina. Where we can, we spread the ubuntu philosophy.
[02:55] <hno73> rbelem: Brazil has 6 SFD teams. Have/could you get in touch with any of those? See: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Brasil
[02:55] <mako> rbelem: we are looking at ways into speeding up the whole cd shipping process, but some solutions that seem obvious to people might be difficult
[02:55] <mako> rbelem: prohibitively so. or prohibitively expensive or require more overhead that we can currently deal with
[02:55] <Seveas> mako, is there public discussion/info available on that?
[02:56] <mako> Seveas: no, but jane write a nice email to hno73 that might make a decent wiki page or edited into a faq entry even
[02:56] <rbelem> hno73, acctualy i contacted two
[02:56] <mako> rbelem: right, i realize you are in the north
[02:56] <mako> rbelem: i was wondering if everyone else in your team was also in the north
[02:56] <hno73> rbelem: cool, any collaboration possible?
[02:57] <mako> and if so, if there's any sort of work you're doing to involve folks from the rest of brazil
[02:58] <rbelem> rbelem, the art work guy, me, Ian, some translators, and the translator of ubuntuguide
[02:58] <rob^> maybe you would be better off translating the FAQ Guide instead of ubuntuguide
[02:59] <rbelem> hno73, yes, today we will have a metting about this
[02:59] <Seveas> rbelem, are you on the locoteam-contacts mailinglist?
[03:00] <rob^> its one in the same really, just one is maintained by us
[03:00] <rbelem> hno73, and after that i'll contatc  the others places
[03:00] <hno73> rbelem: do you know the ubuntu-bus people? http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/blog/projects/ubuntu/1123851054
[03:00] <rbelem> Seveas, yes
[03:00] <mako> rbelem: you didn't really answer me in regards to the question about people in other parts of brazil and involvement in the loco
[03:01] <mako> rbelem: i'm curious if this is a de facto north brazil loco at the moment and, if so, what you guys are doing to involve people from other places in brazil
[03:02] <rbelem> mako, there is people from many states
[03:02] <rbelem> mako, the states are:
[03:03] <elmo> sorry I'm late
[03:03] <Seveas> hi elmo 
[03:03] <rbelem> mako, Rio Grande do Sul, Parana, Rio de Janeiro, Amazonas, Roraima, Goias
[03:03] <mako> rbelem: cool, that's great :)
[03:04] <Nafallo> elmo: hi elmo :-)
[03:04] <mako> elmo: not a problem, i've just been talking to locos
[03:04] <mako> elmo: it's just the two of us
[03:04] <mako> sabdfl is sick and kamion is, well, y'know
[03:04] <Seveas> doomed :)
[03:04] <elmo> apparently cvd is bringing the sick sabdfl a laptop
[03:04] <mako> heh :)
[03:04] <mako> ok
[03:04] <Seveas> rbelem, anything else you wanted to discuss?
[03:04] <mako> rbelem: sounds like you guys have things under control
[03:04] <mako> rbelem: anything else?
[03:05] <rbelem> mako, and i'll try to contact people from other states
[03:05] <rbelem> mako, one more thing
[03:05] <Seveas> (Next up: CzechTeam (OndejSur), please prepare)
[03:05] <rbelem> the mailing list ubuntu-br is not on the list
[03:05] <rbelem> of mailing lists
[03:06] <mako> rbelem: talk to jdub about that
[03:06] <mako> as far as i know, he's the only one that can change that still
[03:06] <ondrej> Seveas: Ondrej Sury willdo (so we don't confuse IRC list)
[03:06] <rbelem> mako, ok ;)
[03:06] <mako> rbelem: thanks for your work 
[03:06] <mako> ondrej: greetings
[03:06] <ondrej> hi
[03:06] <mako> ondrej: how's your loco?
[03:06] <rbelem> mako, ;-)
[03:07] <mako> the page is very much in czech
[03:07] <ondrej> well, I was asked three or four weeks ago about starting local webpages and now projects is going really well
[03:07] <mako> looks like you have a half a dozen people involved
[03:07] <ondrej> I started www.ubuntu.cz webpage, have three active translator, one person doing web design and /me
[03:08] <mako> you've translated a lot :)
[03:08] <ondrej> I am also in contact with Debian L10N team (Miroslav Kure)
[03:08] <mako> great
[03:08] <mako> so you guys are focusing mostly on l10n stuff?
[03:08] <Seveas> ondrej, contact smurfix to make ubuntu-cz.org be forwarded to ubuntu.cz
[03:08] <ondrej> we have CDs distribution point together with CZLUG 
[03:09] <ondrej> CZLUG pays for postage, I order batch of CDs from Ubuntu and package them :-)
[03:09] <mako> ondrej: nice :)
[03:09] <ondrej> I wan't to focus on L10N, QA for next release (so we don't have nasty bugs like in Hoary)...
[03:10] <mako> ondrej: testing is important :)
[03:10] <ondrej> I am also promoting Ubuntu where I can...  yesterday we published GNOME 2.12 preview tour translation (www.ubuntu.cz/gnome-2.12) to help promote Breezy before it gets out.
[03:10] <mako> ondrej: awesome :)
[03:10] <Seveas> ah good idea, I'll do a dutch version of it 
[03:11] <ondrej> I also applied to membership in Czech OSS Aliance which helps promoting open source in CZ (and I hope it will be accepted real soon)
[03:12] <ondrej> I also do translations of USN (which seems to be attractive to people :-)
[03:12] <mako> ondrej: nice, sounds like you guys are doing a lot of great work
[03:12] <mako> ondrej: is there anything you need from us?
[03:13] <ondrej> my personal primary focus is on coordinating other people to do the work, doing QA and when I have time translate stuff myself...
[03:13] <ondrej> well, right now I am waiting for CDs to arrive...  I have about 50 people in queue asking for about 70 CDs
[03:14] <ondrej> I also run archive.ubuntu.cz mirror (maybe cz.archive.ubuntu.com would be nice?)
[03:14] <mako> ondrej: email info@shipit.ubuntu.com if you want an order to be sent/resent at high priority
[03:15] <ondrej> it was already shipped at 08-08
[03:15] <ondrej> and it's 65 people now... (just checked my folder)
[03:15] <mako> in terms of mirrors, i guess you just need to mail the address on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Archive
[03:16] <mako> ondrej: then it should be there soon :)
[03:16] <ondrej> I think that this shows how important LoCo teams are...  and how important is to communicate with people in native language
[03:16] <mako> ondrej: cool, well thanks for all of your work
[03:16] <mako> is Danko around from LatvianTeam
[03:16] <Seveas> Virtuall, 
[03:16] <mako> ah, Virtuall 
[03:17] <mako> we talked last meeting
[03:17] <mako> is there something new that has come up?
[03:17] <mako> alright
[03:17] <mako> we'll move on
[03:17] <Virtuall> 
[03:17] <Virtuall> here
[03:17] <Virtuall> :)
[03:17] <mako> oh, ok :)
[03:17] <mako> Virtuall: just in time
[03:17] <Virtuall> we have our site finished
[03:18] <mako> Virtuall: anything new you wanted to air here?
[03:18] <mako> Virtuall: nice, url?
[03:18] <Virtuall> and we have the mirror too
[03:18] <Virtuall> http://ubuntu-lv.org
[03:18] <ondrej> mako: there is one thing left...  I still need that day of birth for ubuntu.cz contact person at Czech NIC
[03:18] <Virtuall> not much info yet
[03:18] <Virtuall> but :) well
[03:18] <Virtuall> i'm writing a material about what is Linux and what is Ubuntu in Latvian
[03:18] <Virtuall> not yet finished
[03:18] <Virtuall> :)
[03:18] <Virtuall> about SFD...
[03:19] <mako> ondrej: well, ask whoever's DoB you need :)
[03:19] <Virtuall> we are waiting for someone bigger (LAKA, Lintech etc.) action
[03:19] <Virtuall> if not, well... we're working on plan B
[03:19] <Virtuall> ;)
[03:19] <ondrej> I think elmo's...  but I already sent him email...
[03:20] <mako> ondrej: well, he's here now, msg him :)
[03:20] <Seveas> ondrej, hmm, that might be classified information :)
[03:20] <Virtuall> and the CDs... we really need them. kolcvk told me he asked you for cds a long time ago
[03:20] <mako> for the record, my birthday is december 2
[03:20] <mako> presents should be sent to the address at http://mako.cc/contact.html
[03:20] <Seveas> Virtuall, cd's take a long time for everybody...
[03:21] <ondrej> Seveas: well I consider it stupid to have this kind of information in NIC database, but second option of including passport number is maybe even worse
[03:21] <mako> Seveas: i think kolvck's situation was a little different
[03:21] <mako> Virtuall: kolvck setn me a message and then logged off before i could respond
[03:21] <mako> Virtuall: i'm happy to work this out but we'll need to actually talk or he can drop me a mail
[03:21] <Nafallo> he should use e-mail :-)
[03:21] <mako> Virtuall: you can also just email info@shipit.ubuntu.com
[03:22] <Virtuall> could you please wait a little bit
[03:22] <mako> Virtuall: i'm no longer answering most of those messages
[03:22] <elmo> I've just msg'ed ondrej my bday
[03:22] <mako> elmo: awesome :)
[03:22] <mako> Virtuall: he'll be expecting a present on that day
[03:22] <mako> sorry
[03:22] <mako> ondrej: ^^^
[03:22] <Virtuall> ok
[03:22] <Virtuall> :)
[03:23] <mako> elmo: hope you like dutch bottle scrapers
[03:23] <elmo> mako: more than anything
[03:23] <Seveas> *falls on the floor*
[03:23] <Seveas> Virtuall, anything else?
[03:23] <Virtuall> nope
[03:23] <Treenaks> elmo: we want a picture of you holding and/or using it of course
[03:24] <Seveas> Treenaks, ask virginie @ tosti
[03:24] <mako> alright, 
[03:24] <Seveas> (hmm, hat's for mako holding it btw)
[03:24] <mako> alright then
[03:24] <mako> is sabdfl actually going to show up?
[03:24] <Seveas> last thing that does not need approval: local SFD plans
[03:25] <mako> well sure
[03:25] <Treenaks> *idly wonders how airport security reacted to the bottle scrapers*
[03:25] <mako> hno73 and i are both on the SFD board
[03:25] <mako> hno73 is much more involved and active than i of course
[03:25] <Nafallo> Sweden: http://nluug.blinkenlights.se/index.php/SFD
[03:25] <mako> but you should direct any SFD related questions to either one of us
[03:25] <mako> locos are strongly encouraged to make plans for SFD, even if they haven't already
[03:25] <mako> it would be have nice if they'd done it a while ago but, y'know :)
[03:26] <mako> was there anything else specific about this item?
[03:26] <\sh> is there anything happening for the SFD in germany?
[03:26] <hno73> I still have some SFD CDs, so if someone makes a really good case, I can send some
[03:27] <mako> \sh: check out http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[03:27] <hno73> (ie. show that they have some decent plans)
[03:27] <Seveas> So if anybody has material for presentations, please put it on the wiki :)
[03:27] <mako> Seveas: i will be uploading three presentations probably later today
[03:27] <Seveas> mako, great!
[03:27] <hno73> \sh: http://maitri.ubuntu.com/softwarefreedomday/wiki/index.php/Germany
[03:27] <rob^> Seveas, soon..
[03:27] <Seveas> I'll upload mine as soon as it is finished
[03:28] <mako> Seveas: excellent
[03:28] <\sh> hno73: yeah saw it..nothing in our area
[03:28] <\sh> nothing in berlin
[03:28] <hno73> oh, and everyoneshould feel free to blog about their planning ;)
[03:28] <mako> \sh: make something in berlin :)
[03:28] <mako> Seveas: can be fixed
[03:29] <\sh> mako: helping dholbach to relax yes :) and to help me to relax ,-)
[03:29] <Treenaks> Seveas: you don't have RSS
[03:29] <mako> alright
[03:29] <Seveas> mako, not shortly, I have not created a feed yet ;)
[03:29] <mako> anything else loco related?
[03:29] <Nafallo> hmm, the LUG seems to have disappared.
[03:29] <mako> going once.. 
[03:29] <mako> gone !
[03:29] <Nafallo> #ubuntu.se probably handles this themselves
[03:29] <mako> alright
[03:29] <Nafallo> mako: one question.
[03:29] <mako> Nafallo: bah :)
[03:29] <mako> Nafallo: whats up?
[03:30] <Seveas> will sabdfl be here soon or do we skip the rest completely?
[03:30] <mako> we're going to need to decide that very soon
[03:30] <elmo> mako: jane's calling him now
[03:30] <Nafallo> mako: is it possible to get one of you kewl dudes traveling? :-)
[03:30] <ajmitch> Nafallo: ubuntu world tour! :)
[03:30] <mako> Nafallo: it is.. but schedule permitting of course
[03:31] <mako> Nafallo: but yes, as far as i understand, sabdfl will be traveling a lot more in the near future
[03:31] <Nafallo> mako: okey, what people are we talking about? this is important for most locos I believe :-)
[03:31] <Nafallo> or would atleast be a nice move for the special day :-)
[03:31] <ajmitch> Nafallo: see wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWorldTour, also :)
[03:31] <mako> Nafallo: i've traveled a lot in the past. sabdfl can, jdub does sometimes. i'm not sure what the whole list is
[03:32] <Nafallo> mako: I'll start pinging the world of high people then ;-)
[03:32] <Nafallo> also more planning should be done by us.
[03:32] <Nafallo> this changed our plans a bit :-/
[03:32] <Nafallo> less people and stuff like that
[03:33] <mako> alright
[03:33] <mako> lets move on
[03:34] <rbelem> mako, i forgot to ask a question...
[03:34] <ozamosi> Nafallo, doubt it really is less people
[03:34] <mako> rbelem: yes, go ahead
[03:35] <rbelem> mako, is there a possibility to create a dns entry to each state team like am,ubuntu-br.org rs.ubuntu-br.org
[03:35] <smurfix> rbelem: yes
[03:35] <rbelem> cool ;-)
[03:35] <mako> rbelem: :)
[03:35] <smurfix> just tell me where they should go
[03:35] <mako> rbelem: i think that's ideal for a place like brazil :)
[03:36] <mako> alright
[03:36] <mako> so the accessibility team is on here
[03:36] <mako> the accessibility team was one of the round of teams that were created IIRC
[03:36] <rbelem> can each state has your linode?
[03:36] <Seveas> doesn't that require approval mako..?
[03:36] <mako> rbelem: if each team meets the criteria for a loco team, i don't see what why not
[03:37] <hno73> mako: I don't think it ws actually voted on
[03:37] <mako> rbelem: so if it's just one person, no. but it if each one is a full loco team on its own, i think that's fine
[03:37] <mako> hno73: i think it was approved at like the first or second CC meeting along with the laptop team
[03:37] <hno73> mako: everyone just agreed it was probably a good idea
[03:37] <rbelem> mako, or i can setup the ubuntu-br linode to host all the state team
[03:38] <hno73> mako: ok, I wasn't there at that meeting though
[03:38] <mako> rbelem: you can do that no matter what. if you want seperate linode servers, i would suggset that each sub-team be a proper loco on its own and you can just be a sort of federation of locos :)
[03:38] <mako> hno73: well, i've been pointing people to the accessibility team for most of a year :)
[03:38] <Nafallo> sabdfl: welcome! :-)
[03:38] <sabdfl> hi all
[03:39] <gothcat> yay!
[03:39] <Seveas> hi sabdfl!
[03:39] <mako> hno73: i certainly thought it was a proper team :)
[03:39] <ogra> hey sabdfl 
[03:39] <rbelem> mako, yeah... ;)
[03:39] <sabdfl> sorry for getting the time wrong
[03:39] <mako> sabdfl: not a problem
[03:39] <sabdfl> where are we in the agenda?
[03:39] <mako> sabdfl: not really in order
[03:39] <sabdfl> ok, fire away
[03:39] <mako> sabdfl: we've done everything that doesn't require a vote
[03:39] <Seveas> accessibility team now
[03:39] <Nafallo> sabdfl: loco, sfd done :-)
[03:39] <Seveas> (after skipping members temporarily)
[03:39] <\sh> jesus^H^H^H^Hsabdfl came at least :) I have to msg the pope ,-)
[03:39] <hno73> mako: ok, let's just confirm it then, or appoint a contact
[03:39] <mako> sabdfl: accesibility team, then members, then we're done
[03:39] <mako> hno73: are you still happy to be the contact?
[03:40] <sabdfl> ok, background on the accessibility team?
[03:40] <hno73> mako: yes
[03:40] <mako> sabdfl: there seems to be some confusion as to if the CC ever voted to approve the AT
[03:40] <hno73> I'd like to structure work around accessibility features a bit more. We tentatively started an accessibility team some months ago, but it never got official CC approval. I'd just like to follow that up and put myself forward as team contact
[03:40] <mako> sabdfl: i certainly have been pointing people to it for the last year assuming it was a proper team
[03:41] <mitsuhiko> \sh: rofl
[03:41] <hno73> everyone agreed it was a good idea, but the vote was passed over (I think)
[03:41] <mako> hno73: that sounds totally fine with me
[03:41] <mako> it has my vote
[03:41] <sabdfl> hno73: +1 from me for an official accessibility team, with hno73 as contact
[03:41] <mako> elmo: ?
[03:42] <elmo> sure
[03:42] <hno73> ok, thanks
[03:42] <mako> hno73: you're golden
[03:42] <mako> alright
[03:42] <mako> lets do members
[03:42] <hno73> I'll take it from there
[03:42] <Seveas> JonathanJesse?
[03:42] <mako> he logged off
[03:42] <mako> about halfway through the meeting
[03:42] <Seveas> RobinSonefors then
[03:42] <ozamosi> Present!
[03:42] <mako> ozamosi: greetings
[03:42] <ozamosi> Hi
[03:42] <mako> everyone knows the routine, right?
[03:43] <Seveas> mako, yes
[03:43] <Seveas> I did the public service announcement :)
[03:43] <mako> i just want to make sure everyone else did :)
[03:43] <Mitario> maybe do it again ;)
[03:43] <mako> we need a couple sentances about what you've done
[03:43] <ozamosi> So, a few lines about me...
[03:43] <Nafallo> Seveas: you should have an alias for that ;-)
[03:43] <ozamosi> Untill now, I have done little more than translating (which, of course, also is important), and I've also held a lecture about Ubuntu at my school (I will hold many more this autumn). Now, I want to become one of the Swedish LoCo contacts, and to be that, I need to be a member. I think the most important thing about Ubuntu is that it is Free Software, and I want it to stay that way. I want to inform as many as possible about 
[03:43] <ozamosi> the benefits of Free Software, but, without features, no one will want it, and thus Ubuntu must also be better than anything else out there for everyone (it already is for me)
[03:43] <mako> and a couple sentances about what you plan to do and where you want to ubuntu to go and how you're going to be part of that (prepare in advance is good)
[03:44] <Seveas> Nafallo, I have...
[03:44] <sabdfl> mako: i've got the +editproposed page up, will mark the guys off as we go
[03:44] <mako> sabdfl: fantastic
[03:44] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:45] <sabdfl> Seveas: actually, could you re-write the wiki page so that it does not have a list of people in it? seems silly to have the info in two places
[03:45] <ajmitch> sabdfl: would you be able to mark me as a member at some point?
[03:45] <Seveas> sabdfl, I'll do it afterwards
[03:45] <sabdfl> ajmitch:  done
[03:45] <Treenaks> sabdfl: or me
[03:45] <ajmitch> thanks
[03:46] <Nafallo> sabdfl: message about approval from me :-)
[03:46] <Seveas> ondrej, yes
[03:46] <Nafallo> back to topic maybe? :-)
[03:47] <Seveas> ozamosi, you do not need to be a member to be team contact
[03:47] <ozamosi> Seveas, it says so on the loco wiki page?
[03:47] <mako> actually, the wiki page is still useful because it tracks if we've talked about someone before, why we didn't approve them, etc
[03:47] <ploum_> sorry, my wireless goes off. Did I miss something for LionelDricot ?
[03:47] <Virtuall> ...yes? so I don't either? (excuses)
[03:47] <Seveas> and Ubuntu membership is generally a sign of recognition of past contributions 
[03:47] <mako> but in any case
[03:47] <Seveas> ploum, no
[03:47] <ploum_> (thx)
[03:47] <mako> but lets get back to ozamosi now
[03:48] <ondrej> just quick not: Ubuntu Czech is not officially member of OSS Aliance in Czech Republic (non-profit for promoting use of OSS in schools/government/etc.)
[03:48] <ondrej> s/not/now/
[03:48] <mako> ondrej: lets please try to stay in order
[03:48] <sabdfl> ondrej: that's awesome, congratulations
[03:48] <Nafallo> ozamosi have done a great deal of translations since he became a member and he is really active in our new LoCo :-)
[03:48] <Nafallo> he is the one that's planned most of the SFD-day for us
[03:48] <sabdfl> ozamosi: how have you been helping the LoCo?
[03:48] <mako> ozamosi: have you been using rosetta?
[03:49] <ozamosi> mako, yes
[03:49] <gothcat> ozamosi is a great guy to work with, I know since we are contacts together
[03:49] <ozamosi> sabdfl, well, organizing SFD, and also starting up the LoCo
[03:50] <Nafallo> I would love to see him as member, not just for his new work on the loco, but for his involvement in the translationteam and for converting his sister to Ubuntu :-)
[03:50] <ozamosi> Nafallo, :)
[03:51] <ozamosi> Well, her computer was too crappy for windows anyway...
[03:51] <mako> ozamosi: your wiki page is not really as big as i'd like
[03:52] <mako> ozamosi: there are no links to translations that you have done, for example
[03:52] <ozamosi> mako, I looked at Nafallo's and gothcat's wikipages, and tried to mimic them, since I didn't know what to write there
[03:52] <mako> it's hard for me to get a good handle on the particular contributions you've made
[03:52] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net/people/ozamosi/+translations
[03:53] <Nafallo> https://launchpad.net/people/ozamosi/+karma
[03:53] <mako> ^^ that is one very useful thing you can put in if you've done a lot of translations
[03:53] <ozamosi> I will do that.
[03:53] <mako> nice, that's a good deal of translation
[03:54] <sabdfl> ozamosi: +1 for membership from me, on the basis of translations and loco contributions
[03:54] <Nafallo> the best thing he is _very_ nice to work with on things :-) and got lot's of ideas :-)
[03:55] <mako> it's clear that you've done a significant amount of translations and care about the loco
[03:55] <jsgotangco> nice karma
[03:55] <mako> elmo: ?
[03:55] <elmo> ack
[03:55] <Nafallo> yay!
[03:55] <Nafallo> that's three!
[03:55] <ozamosi> Wii! *dances around*
[03:55] <Seveas> Welcome aboard!
[03:55] <Nafallo> ozamosi: welcome dude *huges*
[03:55] <Nafallo> :-)
[03:55] <Seveas> Next: CarlosSantiviago
[03:55] <ozamosi> Nafallo, thanks!
[03:56] <segfault> it's me
[03:56] <segfault> hi all!
[03:56] <mako> segfault: great
[03:56] <segfault> let me introduce myself...
[03:56] <segfault> Hi, my name is Carlos Eduardo Pedroza Santiviago, brazilian, and i'm helping Ubuntu in some translations (to pt_BR) in Rosetta so far, and i plan to still help in the translations, and start learning the debian packaging system, so i can make some packages and help in this area too.
[03:56] <segfault> I started using Linux in 1997, and already used almost all Linux distributions, but when i met Ubuntu, in the beginning of 2005, i just knew it was the best distribution, because of its simplicity, ease of use, and works like a charm.
[03:56] <segfault> I work in a company called Prognus (Pro-GNUs, heh), and we're customizing Ubuntu for the largest hydroelectric power plant in the world, Itaipu Binacional (http://www.itaipu.gov.br).
[03:56] <segfault> I'm helping to advocate Ubuntu where i can, installing it in the so called "installfests" (http://www.psl-trinacional.org), and we're preparing too for the 10th September, for the Software Freedom Day.
[03:56] <jsgotangco> soooo prepared
[03:57] <segfault> some pictures of our last installfest @ http://www.prognus.com.br/~carlos/installfest/
[03:57] <segfault> :)
[03:57] <Seveas> segfault, do you work a lot with the LoCoteam?
[03:57] <segfault> not as much as i would like, since my job takes much of my time
[03:57] <rbelem> Seveas, he is the guy of the south
[03:57] <segfault> but i try when i have some spare time
[03:58] <segfault> https://launchpad.net/people/segfault/
[03:58] <segfault> i started the brazilian portuguese team in rosetta
[03:58] <sabdfl>  +1 for segfault from me
[03:58] <sabdfl> the pt_BR team is looking awesome, lots of translators, lots of activity
[03:58] <mako> segfault: are you working with rbelem ?
[03:58] <segfault> yeah
[03:59] <segfault> our LUG mascot: http://www.prognus.com.br/~carlos/installfest/63.html
[03:59] <segfault> hehe
[03:59] <segfault> mako: where structuring the ubuntu-br wiki
[03:59] <mako> segfault: great. are you involved with a sort of sub-loco for a geographical area within brazil?
[03:59] <segfault> creating regional groups, defining rules to be a pt_br translator, just to have a QA
[03:59] <ogra> oops.. we vote
[03:59] <mako> great :)
[03:59] <segfault> yeah, i live near to Paraguay and Argentina
[04:00] <mako> segfault: what region?
[04:00] <segfault> Foz do Iguacu (City), Parana (state)
[04:00] <mako> segfault: ah, ok :)
[04:00] <mako> sounds great
[04:00] <mako> elmo: ?
[04:00] <segfault> our LUG is called PSL Trinacional, because of the three countries
[04:00] <elmo> ack
[04:00] <mako> MoritzBreit
[04:00] <mako> segfault: welcome on board
[04:01] <ogra> yay
[04:01] <jsgotangco> wee
[04:01] <mbreit> mako: that's me
[04:01] <segfault> hehe, thanks guys! :)
[04:01] <mako> mbreit: greetings :)
[04:01] <Seveas> Welcome segfauly!
[04:01] <Seveas> s/y/t
[04:01] <Seveas> mbreit, nice wiki page!
[04:01] <mbreit> thanks mako, thanks Seveas 
[04:01] <mbreit> I have created the Gnomeradio package which is in Universe now and I have fixed several packages in Universe (unmet dependencies and gcc4 issues). I am going to help the MOTU team where I can and to make some more packages of which I think they should be included in Universe.
[04:02] <ogra> s/several/tons of
[04:02] <ogra> :)
[04:02] <\sh> mbreit is going to be MOTU asap...;-)
[04:02] <mbreit> And I'll help siretart with REVU2
[04:02] <mako> mbreit: how long have hacking on universe stuff?
[04:02] <ajmitch> we want mbreit in the MOTU team :)
[04:02] <ogra> yeah
[04:03] <mbreit> mako: ahh... hmm.. one or two weeks now
[04:03] <mbreit> mako: i thinks it's two weeks by now
[04:03] <mako> mbreit: one of things we look for is sustained contributions
[04:03] <ogra> thast quite a big amount of packages for 2 weeks
[04:03] <mako> i'd be more comfortable asking you to wait until the next meeting if that's alright
[04:03] <ogra> mako, scroll down on the wikipage
[04:03] <mako> not that i think you're going to stop or anything :)
[04:04] <jsgotangco> wow that's a lot of DONE in the page
[04:04] <mako> right right :)
[04:04] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, that's about 2 months of MOTU work for me :)
[04:04] <Seveas> 2 weeks that much...?
[04:04] <ogra> mako, i think this table speaks for itself
[04:04] <sabdfl> that's a good contribution already
[04:04] <mako> the two criteria for membership are sustained and significant
[04:04] <mako> i think the significant is not arguable :)
[04:05] <mbreit> mako: i've been involved in ubuntu a bit longer than that... but not that active in fixing universe stuff
[04:05] <mako> mbreit: ah, ok
[04:05] <sabdfl> in the past we've asked guys to come back the next time around, just to be consistent
[04:06] <Seveas> mbreit, what were your other onvolvements?
[04:06] <mako> mbreit: what were you doing?
[04:06] <sabdfl> though in this case, with breezy looming, it would be nice for mbreit to go straight into the MOTU
[04:06] <mbreit> mako: for example my gnomeradio package, which is in universe now...
[04:06] <sabdfl>  +1 for mbreit from me
[04:06] <mako> yeah, this is clearly significant.. that's not the issue.. i just think membership should recognize people have participated in the community for a sustained period of time as well as to a significant level :)
[04:07] <mako> mbreit: how long have you been working on that?
[04:07] <\sh> mako: mbreit fixed a couple of really nasty issues...I'm glad to have him as member and as motu as well
[04:07] <siretart> mako: I would also be very happy to have him as motu
[04:07] <ogra> ++ from here....
[04:07] <mako> as kamion pointed out, you guys have never expressed reservations about anyone :)
[04:07] <mbreit> mako: to be honest, not more than a month, but I can't say that for sure
[04:07] <ajmitch> mako: we only recruit the best :)
[04:07] <sabdfl> mako: would you be happy to defer till TB next week?
[04:08] <mako> sabdfl: yes
[04:08] <sabdfl> let them confirm him for MOTU, and simultaneously membership?
[04:08] <sabdfl> mbreit: how does that sound?
[04:08] <mako> even an extra week would be ok with me
[04:08] <mbreit> sabdfl: that would be okay for me ;)
[04:08] <mako> i'm not going to vote against it
[04:08] <sabdfl> ok, let's do that
[04:08] <sabdfl>  +1 from me, subject to TB appointment to MOTU next week
[04:08] <mako> i think just think it's good precedent to require that someone be active in the community for a month or more so we can get to know them
[04:08] <ogra> mako, we need every helping hand, universe is in a bad state for release, mbreit obviously has the skills and the will 
[04:08] <mako> ogra: i'm not saying he shouldn't help
[04:09] <ogra> mako, i know
[04:09] <elmo> FWIW, I agree with mako
[04:09] <ogra> oki
[04:09] <ajmitch> ogra: on that note, add what you think needs done to the MOTU meeting agenda for next week :)
[04:09] <mako> ogra: but this is about membership and one of the *two* criteria is sustained constributions. i think we're not being fair to folks if we say that is a week or two of solid serious work
[04:10] <ogra> yep, i understand that...
[04:10] <Seveas> ogra, so he will be a MOTU, but for now you will have to upload the packages for him :)
[04:11] <ogra> Seveas, yes, and all uploaders and reviewers are overworked anyway.... i thin \sh  doesnt sleep anymore at all
[04:11] <mako> mbreit: yeah, i'm not sleighting your work.. i'm just trying to be consistent :)
[04:11] <mbreit> mako: I understand that
[04:11] <mako> mbreit: we'll talk again soon
[04:11] <Seveas> OK, so are we moving on?
[04:11] <\sh> ogra: I'll sleep...and I just refueled over the last weekend ,-)
[04:12] <ogra> :)
[04:12] <mako> AlexanderDomanski
[04:12] <Seveas> What's the status of AlexanderDomanski? He wrote a 'does not need to show up' remark in the wiki himself...
[04:12] <mako> yes
[04:12] <jsgotangco> lol
[04:12] <mako> he was here last time
[04:12] <Seveas> ok
[04:12] <mako> and we told him to defer
[04:12] <Seveas> Any reason to accept without him being here?
[04:12] <mako> but he was on holiday this week so i told him if he defered he wouldn't need to show up since he already posted good information
[04:12] <Seveas> ah...
[04:12] <mako> and showed up at the last meeting
[04:13] <mako> we already talked to him
[04:13] <mako> and it seemed great
[04:13] <mako> but his wiki page was thin
[04:13] <Seveas> it contains info now
[04:13] <Seveas> But i recall having seen that info before
[04:14] <Seveas> jjesse, wb, remind us to treat your membership application at the end of the meeting
[04:15] <jjesse> thanks seveas sorry i had to breifly split to solve a work crisis
[04:15] <mako> alexander seems very active in the germany community
[04:15] <mako> has done a huge deal of support and documentation in german
[04:15] <Seveas> any ubuntu-de people here to vouch?
[04:16] <mako> well, you can read his 900+ posts in user support forums :)
[04:16] <Seveas> *g*
[04:16] <mitsuhiko> Seveas: me
[04:16] <mitsuhiko> jep. alexander is very active in the german community
[04:16] <Seveas> for a month or more already?
[04:16] <sabdfl>  +1 from on the basis of activity in the support forums
[04:16] <sabdfl> s/form/from me/
[04:17] <ogra> mitsuhiko, community == forums ??
[04:17] <Seveas> sabdfl, E: no match :)
[04:17] <mitsuhiko> ogra: ubuntuusers.de
[04:17] <ogra> so yes...
[04:17] <mitsuhiko> is a forum :)
[04:17] <mako> german forums
[04:17] <mako> he's also done some hacking, advocacy, etc
[04:17] <ogra> yup, just wanted to know...
[04:17] <mako> he's been very responsive to me in terms of documenting his contributions..
[04:18] <mako> i'm happy approving him for membership
[04:18] <Seveas> Not that I have a vote, but +1 from me based on this
[04:18] <mako> elmo: ?
[04:18] <mako> ploum: you're up?
[04:18] <ploum> yep :-)
[04:18] <mako> lets charge ahead
[04:19] <ploum> Hello everybody
[04:19] <ploum> I'm a 24 years old student in computer engineering and artificial intelligence, fanatic of astronomy. I'm former president of LouvainLiNux, a belgian LUG and I'm very strong free software advocate. And now the 3-liners as Seveas asked for :
[04:19] <elmo> ack
[04:19] <ploum> So far, involved in Ubuntu since more than one year (yes, before the release), I've done strong Ubuntu advocacy, beta testing, bug reporting, bug triaging, writing a lot of french documentation and was very active to start the ubuntu-fr community. I'm currently co-author of a book about Ubuntu (with a preface from Mark) for a well known french editor, planned for end october.
[04:19] <ploum> I want to get more involved in promoting Ubuntu (also in real world), in creating a Belgian community and to continue writing more and more documentation and promotional text. I have also some experience in usability (people with disabilities, old people, ...) and want to take part in an Usability Ubuntu Team
[04:19] <ploum> I see Ubuntu as the perfect solution I've ever dreamed in the free software world and want to spread it using tools traditionnaly only used by proprietary world (marketing, ..) but also with new ideas not created yet.
[04:19] <ploum> My wiki page : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ploum
[04:19] <mako> cool, adomnaski's good for membership
[04:19] <jsgotangco> nice
[04:20] <ploum> (don't think I'm copy/pasting, I type very quickly !)
[04:20] <jsgotangco> wow
[04:20] <ploum> ;-)
[04:20] <Mitario> haha :)
[04:20] <mako> sounds great :)
[04:20] <Seveas> ploum, Ubuntu books sounds cool
[04:20] <ogra> belgian beer speeds up ?
[04:20] <Seveas> ogra, ask mako about kwak :)
[04:20] <ogra> heh
[04:21] <ploum> ogra, I will be happy to buy belgian beer to every Ubuntu member that come here :-)
[04:21] <jsgotangco> we have that in log folks :)
[04:21] <Seveas> yeah
[04:21] <Seveas> ploum, impressive wiki page
[04:22] <\sh> hmmm...belgium is not far away from here..ogra..up for a beer in bruxelles? ,-)
[04:22] <ogra> ploum, ok, i'll take your word on it, next fosdem ;)
[04:22] <hno73> ploum: also did good work on TheOpenCD some time ago (which now forms the basis for the Ubuntu Win-FOSS component, so indirectly he's been involved over 2 years ;p )
[04:22] <mako> good to know that there is a serious long-term involvement there
[04:22] <ploum> Let's go for fosdem :-)
[04:23] <mako> well, i'm impressed by the work on the ubuntu book if nothing else :)
[04:23] <mako> and i am also impressed by ther other stuff as well 
[04:24] <\sh> ploum: shtoomvoip?
[04:24] <mako> and appreciate the long-term committement to free software in other related areas
[04:24] <ploum> \sh, I just reported a bug today
[04:24] <mako> and have seen ploum around for a very long time in this community
[04:24] <ploum> nothing
[04:24] <mako> so i'm happy approving him for membership
[04:24] <ogra> yay, shtoom !
[04:24] <ploum> thank you indiana ... mako
[04:24] <\sh> ploum: well...I just took over thoms place in this project...wanna help?
[04:24] <ogra> +1 for the beer at fosdem ;)
[04:24] <jsgotangco> shtoom lives again?
[04:25] <Seveas> sabdfl, elmo ?
[04:25] <ogra> and +1 for ploum
[04:25] <sabdfl> guys i have to step afk for a while
[04:25] <mako> sabdfl: want to wweigh in on ploum before you go?
[04:25] <\sh> jsgotangco: deferred for breezy+1
[04:25] <mako> elmo: ?
[04:25] <elmo> ack
[04:26] <mako> ok, how do we want to do this
[04:26] <Seveas> defer the rest?
[04:26] <Mitario> :(
[04:26] <mako> give me a second
[04:26] <Seveas> ok
[04:26] <rob^> :(
[04:27] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sadly not
[04:28] <mako> Virtuall: ok, you should try to build up your wiki page
[04:28] <mako> Virtuall: it's a bit lacking in details and links to your contributions
[04:28] <Virtuall> hhm
[04:28] <mako> Virtuall: you should do that and we'll revisit it next time
[04:29] <mako> if you have questions on how to do that, you should work with me outside of the meeting in the next week or two
[04:29] <Virtuall> k... see you next meeting then :) or maybe earlier
[04:29] <mako> rob^: you could probably deal with a little more info and links too :)
[04:29] <mako> Virtuall: yes
[04:30] <rob^> mako, yes
[04:30] <mako> Mitario: i think we can handle you at the TB meeting next week
[04:30] <Mitario> mako, okay
[04:30] <mako> Mitario: since you are going for a much more technical and eventually maintainership) sort of thin, that seems fine
[04:30] <mako> Mitario: your wiki page looks good
[04:30] <Mitario> mako, yeah true
[04:30] <Mitario> ok thanks :)
[04:31] <Mitario> mako, do I need to put myself on a list somewhere for the TB meeting?
[04:31] <mako> that leaves rbelem and ondrej
[04:31] <rob^> mako, I added my three-liner
[04:31] <mako> Mitario: put it on the tech board agenda (noted that it's also for CC membership)
[04:31] <mako> rob^: cool, links to stuff you've done too
[04:31] <Seveas> mako and jjesse 
[04:31] <mako> right and jjesse, thanks
[04:31] <Seveas> (who needs to work on his wiki page)
[04:31] <rob^> mako, they are there now
[04:31] <jjesse>  yes?
[04:32] <ploum> so when are we delayed ?
[04:32] <Seveas> didn't ploum get accepted?
[04:32] <Mitario> mako, umm, in MaintainerCandidates or just on the agenda?
[04:33] <jjesse> just a short intro about myself right?
[04:33] <mako> Mitario: you can put yourselfs as a maintainercandidate if you think you're ready for that but also note that you need CC papproval at that meeting
[04:33] <Seveas> jjesse, not now
[04:33] <Mitario> mako, ok thanks :)
[04:33] <mako> jjesse: probably not necessary, our council left
[04:33] <Seveas> please work on your wikipage, so it contains all info about you
[04:33] <jjesse> bummer :(
[04:33] <mako> i'm reading through the wiki pages and giving people criticism
[04:33] <Seveas> and come back in 2 weeks please
[04:33] <jjesse> sure thing
[04:34] <mako> jjesse: in your case, i'm not sure it really matters becauuse your wiki page is pretty think
[04:34] <mako> thin even
[04:34] <mako> jjesse: you should have link and in depth descriptions that demonstrate both a sustained and a significant contribution
[04:34] <mako> you've got enough data there that i am sure it exists
[04:34] <mako> but not enough so that i can see or verify it
[04:34] <mako> you need both
[04:34] <ploum> Seveas, well I'm not sure
[04:34] <Seveas> ploum, me neither
[04:34] <mako> ploum: you'll be fine
[04:34] <jjesse> ok i will work on more information thank you for the criticism mako
[04:35] <Seveas> ploum, in that case: congratz, welcome aboard!
[04:35] <mako> jjesse: right, if you do that, it will be totally uncontroversial next week
[04:35] <mako> ploum: well, unless sabdfl says otherwise, you'll be fine
[04:35] <mako> and i find that very unikely
[04:35] <ploum> Seveas and mako, thank you 
[04:35] <rob^> its going to be a bit hard for me
[04:35] <ploum> It's really great for me :-)
[04:35] <Seveas> ploum, to be sure, come back next CC meeting
[04:35] <rob^> due to the nature of my work, I can't give out some of the info
[04:35] <mako> rbelem, and ondrej:
[04:35] <jsgotangco> rob^: why not? you've made a lot of contributions to dcoteam
[04:36] <mako> rbelem, and ondrej: are either of you still around?
[04:36] <ploum> Seveas, when is it ?
[04:36] <Seveas> ploum, in 2 weeks
[04:36] <rbelem> mako, yep ;-)
[04:36] <ondrej> here
[04:36] <rob^> jsgotangco, yes, that I can put
[04:36] <mako> rob^: why not?
[04:36] <jsgotangco> rob^: well you don't have to say that, just  your contrib
[04:36] <rob^> ok
[04:36] <jsgotangco> mako: he works in a sensitive position
[04:36] <mako> ok guys.. your pages look pretty good.. more links are better but i think you'll be fine.. we'll do you first next time :)
[04:36] <mako> hmm
[04:36] <ondrej> just updated my page with info from my three liner...
[04:37] <Seveas> mako, I will update the wikipage later today and add some instructions for members-to-be
[04:37] <ploum> Seveas, I have exams this week but well, we will see :-)  Thank you for advices and support today
[04:37] <Seveas> ploum, good luck!
[04:38] <ondrej> what's the next schedule for CC meeting?
[04:38] <Seveas> mako, next meeting Aug 30 20:00?
[04:38] <mako> jsgotangco, rob^: talked to me about it
[04:38] <rbelem> mako, oki ,-)
[04:38] <mako> sorry we didn't get to everyone today
[04:38] <mako> is there any other business?
[04:38] <jsgotangco> we crash?
[04:38] <rob^> mako, now?
[04:38] <mako> rob^: or later
[04:38] <ondrej> just quick question...  LoCo team were approved?
[04:38] <mako> privately is fine
[04:38] <Seveas> ondrej, no approval needed
[04:39] <mako> ondrej: don't need to be approved..
[04:39] <mako> ondrej: but yes :)
[04:39] <mako> if smurfix says they're good, they're good
[04:39] <Nafallo> Seveas: not even smurfix-approval?
[04:39] <ploum> mako, must I send you something GPG-signed ?
[04:39] <Seveas> ploum, no
[04:39] <Seveas> follow the instructions in launchpad
[04:39] <mako> there's a new launchpad based system now
[04:39] <Seveas> you will have to uploda it there
[04:39] <segfault> Which are the next steps for the approved members?
[04:39] <mako> i haven't actually entirely figured it out yet :)
[04:39] <jsgotangco> the launchpad system rocks
[04:39] <ogra> oh, its already working ? 
[04:39] <Nafallo> I've always interpreted the wiki as smurfix-approval needed and cc-announcement as a nice gesture :-)
[04:39] <jsgotangco> ogra: it does
[04:39] <Seveas> segfault, upload a CoC to launchpad
[04:40] <ogra> yay
[04:40] <mako> Nafallo: that's right
[04:40] <smurfix> Nafallo: true
[04:40] <ploum> my launchpad page is broken :-(
[04:40] <jsgotangco> even supermirror on it works
[04:40] <segfault> already there :)
[04:40] <ondrej> everyone launchpad page is broken...
[04:40] <Seveas> segfault, then you're set
[04:40] <Nafallo> yay! I'm the infomaniac ;-)
[04:40] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: really? I didn't see any supermirror stuff on launchpad recently
[04:40] <jsgotangco> oh
[04:40] <Seveas> next datetime...?
[04:40] <segfault> nice!
[04:40] <jsgotangco> ajmitch: i get segfault when doing a baz archive-mirror though
[04:41] <segfault> that's not my fault :P
[04:41] <smurfix> this time through, locos have been adding themselves to the CC agenda without my involvement, which is OK by me -- it's as good an announcement of "I think we're ready to be official" as any
[04:42] <Nafallo> smurfix: you were on VAC ;-)
[04:42] <Seveas> mako..?
[04:42] <mako> Seveas: whats up?
[04:42] <Nafallo> figured we would do approval on the CC because of that :-)
[04:42] <Seveas> next datetime...? <--
[04:42] <mako> ah
[04:42] <smurfix> Nafallo: I've been back long enough though ;-)
[04:42] <mako> 22UTC two weeks from today
[04:42] <Seveas> ok
[04:42] <jsgotangco> ouch 22 again
[04:42] <mitsuhiko> hi Yann2
[04:42] <jsgotangco> :)
[04:43] <mako> no
[04:43] <mako> lets do it a little earlier
[04:43] <mako> 20
[04:43] <smurfix> mako: +1
[04:43] <jsgotangco> noooo
[04:43] <Nafallo> smurfix: well, I've talked to you, didn't I? :-)
[04:43] <rob^> 20 sound good to me
[04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: you don't have to be here dude :)
[04:43] <Seveas> See you all in 2 weeks then
[04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: this is why we move it
[04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: because not everyone can be at all of them :)
[04:43] <jsgotangco> i like CC meetings even if its 4am
[04:43] <mako> jsgotangco: we move it specifically so that you *don't* have to punish yourself 
[04:44] <mako> jsgotangco: dude, if it was at 4am, *i* would consider not making it :)
[04:44] <jsgotangco> heh
[04:44] <jsgotangco> it sucks to be the only one in this timezone at the moment
[04:44] <Nafallo> meeting done? :-)
[04:44] <ondrej> smurfix: maybe you should remove "AddYourSelfHere" from wiki page... :-)
[04:44] <jsgotangco> i rarely get to attend TB at all
[04:45] <Seveas> meeting is over :)
[04:45] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: don't worry, I don't think I've seen a TB meeting for 2 months or more :)
[04:46] <smurfix> ondrej: Actually, this way works reasonably well, and it's less work for me, so it'll stay ;-)
[04:46] <mako> Seveas: thanks :)
[04:46] <Seveas> mako, have a flessenlikker :)
[04:46] <mako> Seveas: good call
[04:46] <ondrej> mako: ubuntu.cz is entirely in Canonical hands...  only thing left is that Canonical has to pay the bill :-)
[04:46] <mako> i'm considering going back to sleep
[04:46] <Seveas> sleep well
[04:47] <jsgotangco> i should prepare to sleep ;)
[04:47] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: yeah, ~3AM here now :)
[04:48] <jsgotangco> christ i totally forgot ajmitch is in dunedin :)
[04:48] <ajmitch> yeah, you going to be here at LCA in jan?
[04:49] <jsgotangco> ill prepare for it
[04:49] <ajmitch> great :)
[06:21] <nmsa_KL> I missied it, I am looking for the MOM ...; have a good day !
[06:41] <ogra__> nmsa_KL, MOM ?
[06:41] <nmsa_KL> minutes of meeting
[06:42] <ogra__> heh... ok
[06:42] <ogra__> nmsa_KL,  http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/
[06:42] <ogra__> MOM == merge o matic btw :)
[06:42] <ogra__> its a tool we use
[06:44] <nmsa_KL> so it's not public ?
[06:45] <nmsa_KL> aaa, sorry :)
[08:52] <rbelem> fabbione,