crimsun | mbreit: done. You should have received the e-mail. | 12:06 |
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mbreit | crimsun: thanks!! | 12:10 |
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thierry | Lathiat : what is going on with gnunet and gnome-chemistry-utils, have they been fixed? | 12:30 |
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dabaR | if anyone is an op on #ubuntu, please come and devoice this one guy that is just totally annoying with his public away every 5 minutes. | 03:05 |
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ajmitch | hey jsgotangco | 03:32 |
ajmitch | how's it going? | 03:32 |
jsgotangco | hey | 03:33 |
jsgotangco | not bad just checking the lists at the moment | 03:33 |
jsgotangco | i should get my laptop today | 03:33 |
ajmitch | great | 03:33 |
ajmitch | I haven't heard if mine has even been sent yet | 03:33 |
jsgotangco | robitaille also gets a dell but no word on shipment either | 03:34 |
ajmitch | ah so you know what others are getting? | 03:34 |
jsgotangco | only some people | 03:35 |
ajmitch | right | 03:35 |
ajmitch | how's the docteam going? | 03:35 |
jsgotangco | i've been busy on edubuntu lately, mgalvin is helping out on the packaging | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | we could probably ship at least 2 references | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | then plan ahead instead of cramming midway | 03:36 |
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ajmitch | hey mgalvin | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | speak of the devil | 03:36 |
ajmitch | heh | 03:36 |
jsgotangco | here is our packager | 03:36 |
ajmitch | for a moment I thought you just invited him in :) | 03:37 |
jsgotangco | he's been working with enrico | 03:37 |
ajmitch | ok | 03:37 |
mgalvin | hey ajmitch | 03:37 |
mgalvin | hey all | 03:38 |
mgalvin | mwahahaha | 03:38 |
ajmitch | I'll look forward to some good docs for breezy then :) | 03:38 |
jsgotangco | yeah we'll eventually move into baz later on | 03:39 |
ajmitch | I've started using bazaar-ng, which is looking a lot nicer to use | 03:39 |
mgalvin | yea enrico and i went over the ubuntu-docs package and it works, only thing left is finial decisions on what docs to include and make sure the install location is ok with the dev team | 03:39 |
ajmitch | ie, less than 100 commands :) | 03:39 |
ajmitch | bazaar-ng is still missing a few things, but is certainly good enough for real work | 03:40 |
jsgotangco | baz-ng is going to be baz 2.0 right? | 03:41 |
ajmitch | yep | 03:43 |
ajmitch | I'm glad there are daily snapshot debs available | 03:44 |
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marcin | hi all | 04:13 |
marcin | I got a question about debian vs ubuntu repository | 04:13 |
ajmitch | ok | 04:13 |
marcin | afaik when I want to prepare some package for ubuntu | 04:13 |
marcin | then if there already is simmilar package for debian | 04:14 |
ajmitch | similar, as in the same software? | 04:14 |
marcin | then I should refer to this package | 04:14 |
marcin | yes | 04:14 |
ajmitch | yes, that is generally how we work | 04:14 |
marcin | somepackage-1.0-1.deb | 04:15 |
ajmitch | there are some exceptions, but we try to minimise the changes from debian | 04:15 |
marcin | and then I should name my package somepackage-1.0-1ubuntu1.deb | 04:15 |
marcin | right? | 04:15 |
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ajmitch | marcin: only if you're making changes to that debian package with version 1.0-1 | 04:15 |
ajmitch | which I assume is what you're asking about | 04:15 |
marcin | ajmitch: not exactly | 04:16 |
marcin | ajmitch: in fact my question is - to what debian repository I should refer to? | 04:16 |
ajmitch | we work off unstable | 04:16 |
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marcin | ajmitch: ok | 04:18 |
ajmitch | marcin: what package is it, and what changes are you wanting to make? | 04:18 |
ajmitch | hey siretart | 04:18 |
marcin | ajmitch: well currently it is color-theme for emacs | 04:18 |
marcin | ajmitch: color-theme.el | 04:18 |
ajmitch | right | 04:19 |
marcin | ajmitch: and there is no such package in debian (afaik) | 04:19 |
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marcin | ajmitch: but I found this package in http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool | 04:19 |
ajmitch | ah, mentors.debian.net is quite unofficial | 04:20 |
ajmitch | and can't be called 'debian' in that sense | 04:20 |
ajmitch | I'd say that the package is badly named there, too | 04:20 |
marcin | and this is why I ask here | 04:20 |
jdong | ok, then I'd like to request clamav 0.86.2's inclusion in Breezy -- 0.86.1 will not detect a couple sigs because of an old engine... | 04:20 |
marcin | ajmitch: why? | 04:21 |
ajmitch | because it doesn't mention emacs at all - greater chance for namespace collision | 04:21 |
ajmitch | jdong: sure, I'll request a sync from elmo | 04:22 |
ajmitch | jdong: I think this is a reasonable package for UVF breaking, due to being so volatile | 04:22 |
marcin | ajmitch: well that's another question | 04:23 |
ajmitch | ah, 0.86.2 also fixes security holes.. | 04:23 |
marcin | ajmitch: is there any 'official' naming convention for emacs packages? | 04:24 |
ajmitch | will have to make sure that the data & other reverse depends aren't adversely affected | 04:24 |
ajmitch | marcin: I don't know, as I'm not involved in emacs packaging | 04:24 |
ajmitch | I'd assume there'd be at least some standard | 04:24 |
marcin | ajmitch: an easy way is to name every emacs related package with 'emacs' prefix | 04:25 |
marcin | ajmitch: but currently it doesn't work in this way in ubuntu | 04:25 |
ajmitch | ubuntu packages are just debian packages, I don't think there's anything new we've introduced | 04:26 |
marcin | ajmitch: we got jde, css-mode, gnus etc. | 04:26 |
ajmitch | yep | 04:26 |
marcin | ajmitch: so this is why color-theme is not something unusual | 04:27 |
marcin | ajmitch: in fact emacs-color-theme could be | 04:27 |
ajmitch | color-theme-el wouldn't be, afaik | 04:27 |
marcin | ajmitch: well I really don't like this convention at all | 04:29 |
bmonty | the ubuntu wiki says that hoary can "automagically" detect the best download mirror and use it, anyone know if hoary has that capability? | 04:29 |
marcin | ajmitch: so, if I want to prepare color-theme package for ubuntu and this package is not available in debian unstable | 04:32 |
marcin | ajmitch: then how should I name this package? | 04:33 |
marcin | ajmitch: current version number is 6.5.5 | 04:33 |
marcin | ajmitch: color-theme_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb ? | 04:34 |
marcin | ajmitch: color-theme-el_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb? | 04:34 |
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ajmitch | 0ubuntu1, not 1ubunt0 | 04:41 |
marcin | ajmitch: ok | 04:44 |
marcin | ajmitch: and what about name? | 04:44 |
marcin | ajmitch: emacs-color-theme? color-theme? color-theme-el? | 04:44 |
ajmitch | I don't know | 04:47 |
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ajmitch | I'd suggest using the -el suffix, just because that is what I've seen other packages use | 04:47 |
mgalvin | does revu send emails to the MOTU's when uploads are made? | 04:49 |
marcin | ajmitch: ehh ok but it sucks extremely | 04:49 |
marcin | ajmitch: almost every other package which belongs to some 'family' uses prefix instead of suffix | 04:50 |
marcin | ajmitch: like python, zope, gnome, php, perl etc. | 04:51 |
ajmitch | most perl libs use a suffix | 04:57 |
ajmitch | as do mono libs | 04:57 |
mgalvin | at any rate, i just uploaded a gperfection2 icon theme package in case anyone can take a peek at it (and tell me how bad it is ;)) | 04:59 |
marcin | ajmitch: most perl libs - because they are libs - so they have names like libsomething-something-perl | 05:00 |
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ajmitch | I honestly don't see why we're debating debian's naming policy for something that I'm not involved in | 05:03 |
marcin | well right but question is if we could drop debian policy | 05:04 |
marcin | (in fact I cannot see any policy in these package names - jsut mess and chaos but anyway) | 05:05 |
marcin | and we could just use someting different for ubuntu | 05:05 |
jsgotangco | i dont think that's universe's job | 05:05 |
marcin | jsgotangco: so if not here then where can I ask about this? | 05:07 |
jsgotangco | marcin, mdz is your best shot | 05:08 |
ajmitch | marcin: forking packaging from debian can cause unimagineable pain in the long run for the MOTUs | 05:08 |
ajmitch | both in terms of work required & future cooperation with debian | 05:09 |
marcin | jsgotangco: mdz? | 05:09 |
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mgalvin | mdz will most likely flat out say no, not adhearing to the debian policy is not an option | 05:10 |
jsgotangco | of course | 05:10 |
ajmitch | for the reasons I listed, mainly | 05:10 |
jsgotangco | if such was in our roadmap, it would have been done early on | 05:10 |
mgalvin | yea, sorry for butting in half way through | 05:11 |
marcin | jsgotangco: I'm not so sure - I don't think that emacs packages are in ubuntu road map at all | 05:12 |
marcin | and I agree that these packages could conflict with debian packages | 05:13 |
marcin | but it in debian there is an incredible mess than why just copy this mess to ubuntu? | 05:13 |
ajmitch | because someone would have to clean up & maintain that mess in ubuntu | 05:15 |
jsgotangco | marcin, ubuntu basically integrates what is currently available, if there is a mess in debian, its best be worked upstream | 05:15 |
ajmitch | that is, being responsible for all the bug reports, upstream updates, etc | 05:15 |
marcin | so you just need more 'manpower' ? | 05:16 |
ajmitch | sure, ubuntu 'could' fork everything that debian does, given enough manpower | 05:17 |
ajmitch | bit it's also a matter of whether we should | 05:17 |
marcin | right but short question - why not? | 05:18 |
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jsgotangco | im going to lunch :) | 05:24 |
ajmitch | :) | 05:24 |
ajmitch | ok, I'll try & get some work done :) | 05:24 |
marcin | ok, not I need to go to bed but anyway - lack of 'menpower' is not real reason for me | 05:25 |
jsgotangco | marcin, if you think what you believe is the right track, then there is no one stopping you from advocating it, its best that you get involved | 05:26 |
jsgotangco | brb | 05:26 |
ajmitch | ah, the downside of bzr daily snapshots - they sometimes break :) | 05:40 |
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ajmitch | hi jbailey | 05:52 |
jbailey | Heya Andrew | 05:52 |
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ajmitch | running into a few very odd problems :) | 05:53 |
jbailey | ajmitch: The #bzr channel is probably the best place to talk about it. | 05:53 |
ajmitch | yeah, I've been trying to narrow down to a testcase, but no joy yet | 05:54 |
jbailey | Ugh. =( | 05:54 |
ajmitch | :0:> ~/bin/bzr merge ../../debian/gnue-forms-0.5.12/ | 05:55 |
ajmitch | bzr: warning: Conflict in newly added file /mnt/new-home/ajmitch/debian/gnue/tmp/integration/gnue-forms-0.5.12/debian/rules | 05:55 |
ajmitch | bzr: [Errno 21] Is a directory | 05:55 |
ajmitch | that sort of exception is *really* weird | 05:55 |
ajmitch | it's just a file.read() call which is failing :( | 05:55 |
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Burgundavia | Treenaks, nah there is just me, but I am pretty much everywhere | 06:35 |
Treenaks | Burgundavia: ok :) | 06:42 |
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siretart | morning | 08:01 |
siretart | Burgundavia: around? | 08:02 |
Burgundavia | siretart, yes | 08:04 |
siretart | Burgundavia: is it possible to add inter wiki to ubuntu's wiki? or is this only available for administrators? | 08:07 |
siretart | just curious | 08:07 |
Burgundavia | siretart, I have no idea. best to ask hendrik | 08:07 |
siretart | ok | 08:08 |
ajmitch | isn't it already there? | 08:08 |
siretart | Burgundavia: I just saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template - just one remark | 08:08 |
jsgotangco | i dont think henrik has admin rights to the moin wiki either | 08:08 |
siretart | Burgundavia: wouldn't it be better to create for each distribution/release such a report in an own page? | 08:08 |
siretart | the template seems to be intended as a general summary | 08:08 |
Burgundavia | siretart, mjg59 and myself discussed it. We only need the current stable and a rolling report for the current Colony/Array/whatever Breezy+1 is | 08:10 |
Burgundavia | thus we only need one page | 08:10 |
siretart | Burgundavia: ah, so you expect 2 pages. Stable and rolling? | 08:10 |
Burgundavia | siretart, no | 08:10 |
Burgundavia | a single page, with both on it | 08:11 |
siretart | ah. I see. will do | 08:11 |
Burgundavia | siretart, cheers. #ubuntu-laptop for further discussin | 08:11 |
siretart | right. sorry | 08:11 |
siretart | I'm not used to that channel yet *g* | 08:11 |
Burgundavia | yes | 08:11 |
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pef | morning | 08:33 |
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Yagisa1 | G'day | 09:00 |
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pef | why cdbs doesn't update cleanly config.{guess,sub} files ? | 10:00 |
pef | It bloats my diff.gz file with diff between upstream tarball and system config.{sub,guess} files :/ | 10:01 |
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\sh | cdbs is evil | 10:16 |
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siretart | jupp | 10:21 |
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pef | \sh: upstream tarball sometimes too ;) | 10:29 |
pef | especialy when they have already a "home-made" debian layout | 10:30 |
siretart | pef: upstreams often have no clue of packaging | 10:37 |
siretart | pef: if they had, they would most probably don't include debian/* into upstream tarball | 10:37 |
pef | siretart: it's not very easy (for non-developer) to fill an bts for requesting packaging | 10:39 |
siretart | pef: it consists mainly writing an email to submit@bugs.debian.org. format of this email is described on http://bugs.debian.org, espc. the part about wnpp | 10:41 |
siretart | but well, I see your point | 10:41 |
pef | when authors are bored with "and debian package ?" they put a primitiv debian layout into their tarball, and voil | 10:42 |
pef | I saw this on some sourceforge forums | 10:42 |
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Burgundavia | ogra, "Team Burgundavia" indeed | 11:02 |
ogra | hehe :) | 11:05 |
ogra | you work like 3 at least | 11:05 |
Burgundavia | on Wednesday I start work | 11:05 |
Burgundavia | thus I will have less time | 11:05 |
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mbreit | hi all | 11:15 |
pef | siretart: how did you get a directory like http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508131655/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ from the upload ? | 11:16 |
ajmitch | pef: that's after it was built, I believe? | 11:17 |
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ajmitch | wb jsgotangco | 11:18 |
ajmitch | hi mbreit | 11:18 |
mbreit | hi ajmitch | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | thanks | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | hmm | 11:18 |
jsgotangco | desktop froze | 11:18 |
siretart | pef: err, I 'just' do a dpkg-source -x *.dsc after an upload | 11:19 |
ajmitch | siretart: ah, so the stamp-* files are a mistake then? :) | 11:19 |
siretart | err, sorry? | 11:20 |
ajmitch | stamp-autotools-files & stamp-makefile-build don't appear to be in the original diff | 11:20 |
ajmitch | I could be quite mistaken.. | 11:21 |
siretart | ajmitch: that because the were in the .orig.tar.gz | 11:21 |
ajmitch | pef: was this one that had an existing debian/ directory? | 11:21 |
ajmitch | oh evil | 11:21 |
siretart | http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508161105/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ doesnt show them anymore, because orig.tar.gz was repackages | 11:21 |
siretart | which is right in this case, I think | 11:21 |
ajmitch | ok | 11:22 |
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pef | ajmitch: yes | 11:37 |
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pef | because of dh_make bug with bzip2 archives #12618, should I use get-orig-source target to recreate a gzipped tarball, or simply doing this by hand ? | 11:47 |
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pef | does a call to dh_desktop is really usefull when there are no MimeType registered in .desktop file ? | 01:02 |
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\sh | ogra: ping | 01:24 |
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ogra | \sh, pong | 01:47 |
ajmitch | hey ogra :) | 01:47 |
ogra | did everybody notice the CC meeting starts in 15min | 01:47 |
siretart | re | 01:47 |
ajmitch | yes | 01:47 |
\sh | argl | 01:47 |
\sh | no | 01:47 |
\sh | ,-) | 01:47 |
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\sh | ogra: i got mail from infinito about gcfilms | 01:47 |
ogra | i just recognized it myself | 01:47 |
siretart | \sh: do you have the wiki name describing NetworkInstalls? | 01:48 |
\sh | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet | 01:48 |
ajmitch | is there anything we need be available for the meeting? | 01:48 |
\sh | ogra: do we get it synced into breezy for universe even after feature freeze? | 01:48 |
ajmitch | ah, mbreit on member candidates | 01:48 |
siretart | \sh: ah, thanks | 01:49 |
ogra | \sh, synced from ? | 01:49 |
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVIEW DAY! :) | ||
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbach at Thu Jul 28 07:47:46 2005 | ||
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hmm | 01:49 | |
(\sh/#ubuntu-motu) ogra: debian...i mean, i have to check it again if it's fixed in debian..but I don't want to have another package to care for right now | 01:50 | |
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) reminds me that I need to ask elmo to sync clamav | 01:50 | |
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) & f-spot once I get it tested ;) | 01:50 | |
ajmitch | sigh, I'd really like to break the freeze for other packages as well, if possible :) | 01:51 |
\sh | actually I want to spend the time to polish the other packages then to sync new stuff in | 01:52 |
ajmitch | \sh: all the packages I want are updates (including upstream fixes) | 01:52 |
ajmitch | nothing NEW | 01:52 |
ajmitch | mbreit: how many of those still need looked at/uploaded? | 02:04 |
mbreit | ajmitch: none atm.... | 02:04 |
ajmitch | ok, great | 02:05 |
=== ajmitch remembers - please start putting stuff on the agenda for next weeks MOTU meeting | ||
=== ajmitch is glad that MOTU meetings start far quicker than CC meetings :) | ||
Nafallo | ajmitch: ;-) | 02:29 |
pef | how should I named a newly packaged apps like foo-0.2 ? foo-0.2-0ubuntu1 ? | 02:31 |
ajmitch | pef: yep | 02:32 |
pef | thanks ! | 02:32 |
ajmitch | well you put 0.2-0ubuntu1 in the changelog anyway :) | 02:32 |
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pef | in debian/control, if I use copyrighted names, like Windows or neroBurningRom, should I add (c) or something ? | 02:44 |
ajmitch | they're registered trademarks, not copyrighted | 02:45 |
ajmitch | so I _think_ it'd either be (R) or (TM) | 02:45 |
pef | oups | 02:45 |
siretart | I would avoid them if possible, because I don't understand the legal consequences either | 02:45 |
ajmitch | but I haven't seen them used | 02:45 |
ajmitch | do as siretart says ;) | 02:45 |
Mithrandir | is for registered marks. | 02:47 |
Mithrandir | it doesn't really matter, but just avoid them, probably no use in mentioning them | 02:47 |
siretart | ah. utf-8 :) | 02:47 |
pef | siretart: I'm packaging a tool wich converts a proprietary format (cdrom image files) to ISO format, the program name is CloneCD | 02:48 |
siretart | pef: why not write '.. converts images in .foo format (used by some comercial sofware) into .iso images...' | 02:51 |
siretart | what format is that? is that somewhat common? | 02:51 |
pef | siretart: proprietary format like .doc | 02:53 |
siretart | pef: everyone knows .doc format. we are beeing terrorisated very often with that | 02:54 |
pef | me too :) | 02:54 |
pef | but if I don't include the apps'name into description, a personn who seeks for "clonecd" will not find anything :/ | 02:55 |
ogra | but someone whoi searches for cloning CDs will find it if you write "an app for cloning CDs" | 02:56 |
siretart | pef: they will find it when they search for the filename extension | 02:59 |
siretart | pef: and when they have been given a hint in the forum, of course | 03:00 |
pef | ogra: it's just a format converter tool | 03:00 |
ogra | pef, you talked about clonecd | 03:00 |
pef | ogra: the output format of clonecd ;) | 03:02 |
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mgalvin | hi all | 03:31 |
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rbelem | mgalvin, hi ;-) | 03:44 |
mgalvin | hi rbelem | 03:44 |
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HiddenWolf | Hey guys | 03:50 |
Treenaks | HiddenWolf: hey, I thought you couldn't code? | 03:50 |
Treenaks | ;) | 03:50 |
HiddenWolf | Treenaks, I can't | 03:51 |
HiddenWolf | Yet | 03:51 |
ajmitch | hi HiddenWolf | 03:51 |
ajmitch | Treenaks: what, you need to be able to code to be in here? :) | 03:51 |
HiddenWolf | Treenaks, but I'm getting fed up with myself, I'd like to fix those stupid bugs myself, really. :P | 03:52 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: no, but we had a discussion about it yesterday in #-nl :) | 03:52 |
Treenaks | HiddenWolf: first, upgrade to breezy.. :) | 03:52 |
Treenaks | HiddenWolf: second, ... | 03:52 |
Treenaks | HiddenWolf: third, profit! | 03:52 |
ajmitch | heh | 03:53 |
ajmitch | Treenaks: step 2 is pull hair out ;) | 03:53 |
HiddenWolf | Treenaks, you are aware that my pc is currently without an harddrive, right? ;) | 03:53 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: It is? | 03:53 |
ajmitch | oh, breezy on usb stick! there's an opportunity for you, HiddenWolf ;) | 03:53 |
HiddenWolf | ajmitch, I'm hoping to have a new drive by the time I drag my tanned ass back to Holland from Rome. ;) | 03:54 |
Lathiat | thatd be cool | 03:54 |
ajmitch | mm, I'd love to visit Rome some day | 03:54 |
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ajmitch | my flatmate got to go to rome last year on only a day or two's notice, for a few weeks :) | 03:55 |
jamessan|work | yes, Rome is awesome | 03:56 |
Treenaks | My next destination is Berlin | 03:56 |
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Treenaks | HiddenWolf: ? | 03:57 |
ajmitch | furthest I've managed to get so far is australia | 03:57 |
HiddenWolf | is this a redirect to #ubuntu-travel? ;) | 03:57 |
jamessan|work | return visit to Rome aside, I'd love to go to Belgium | 03:57 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: can't get much further from here :) | 03:57 |
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ajmitch | Treenaks: well I'm in NZ, so Australia is fairly close :) | 03:57 |
\sh | Treenaks: I will send you my mobile number..so we can catch up in berlin...looks like I will sleep at dholbachs place | 03:57 |
HiddenWolf | Treenaks, sabdfl managed. ;) | 03:57 |
jamessan|work | HiddenWolf: yup. should I put you in contact with my travel agent? ;) | 03:57 |
ajmitch | HiddenWolf: sure, suggest Rome for the next ubuntu conference :) | 03:58 |
Treenaks | \sh: PM it :) I'll add you to my phone immediately | 03:58 |
kiko | hey haxors | 03:58 |
tseng | morning kiko | 03:58 |
kiko | what's going on up north? | 03:58 |
tseng | its hot and stuff | 03:59 |
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HiddenWolf | jamessan, I'm a poor student. :) | 03:59 |
jamessan|work | yeah, I was just joking | 03:59 |
ogra | kiko, looks like every day there | 03:59 |
HiddenWolf | jamessan, I figured. :) | 03:59 |
siretart | no smoke signs? ;) | 04:00 |
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ogra | siretart, not since \sh finished the cigarette | 04:00 |
siretart | hehe | 04:00 |
\sh | yes...I just saw a shocked treenaks ,-) | 04:01 |
ajmitch | hi kiko, tseng | 04:01 |
HiddenWolf | ajmitch, I'd happily suggest it, but I'm nobody. :P | 04:09 |
pef | when is the next review day ? | 04:09 |
ajmitch | 18th | 04:09 |
ajmitch | all timezones | 04:09 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: whee @ 36-hour days :) | 04:10 |
ajmitch | only 36? :) | 04:10 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: 24 + 12 | 04:10 |
pef | thanks | 04:11 |
ajmitch | Treenaks: NZ is UTC+12, some pacific islands are UTC-12, iirc | 04:11 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: yes (like the islands I work for, .tk :)) | 04:12 |
ajmitch | so NZ can be 24 hours ahead of them (maybe 23) | 04:12 |
ajmitch | already the 17th here :) | 04:12 |
ajmitch | so I'll start my review day in < 24 hours | 04:13 |
pef | have to go, bye ! | 04:13 |
ajmitch | bye pef | 04:13 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: hm yes | 04:13 |
Treenaks | ajmitch: 48-hour days.. don't tell my boss | 04:13 |
ajmitch | haha | 04:13 |
Nafallo | is sistpoty a member yet? | 04:15 |
Nafallo | is there anyone proposed on this list: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers that is already a member? | 04:15 |
Nafallo | siretart: ping ^ | 04:22 |
siretart | Nafallo: whats up? | 04:22 |
Nafallo | siretart: above :-) is sistpoty ubuntu member? | 04:22 |
Nafallo | IIRC he is for the work on REVU | 04:23 |
siretart | Nafallo: Yes, he is member, but not MOTU yet | 04:23 |
Nafallo | siretart: oki, sorting out launchpad with sabdfl ;-) | 04:23 |
siretart | ah. i see :) | 04:23 |
ajmitch | gar | 04:25 |
ajmitch | vegastrike build fail :( | 04:25 |
Lathiat | heh | 04:25 |
Lathiat | i wa sjust looking at the build log | 04:25 |
Lathiat | err | 04:25 |
Lathiat | 04:25 | |
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ajmitch | yeah, not 64-bit clean | 04:26 |
Lathiat | ah | 04:26 |
ajmitch | int/pointer issues again | 04:26 |
Lathiat | give up, amd64 sucks ;p | 04:26 |
ajmitch | error: cast from 'Unit*' to 'int' loses precision | 04:26 |
ajmitch | I don't use amd64 :) | 04:26 |
Lathiat | heh | 04:26 |
Lathiat | em64t then ;p | 04:27 |
siretart | ajmitch: try to cast it to long | 04:27 |
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Lathiat | as do i :) | 04:27 |
ajmitch | this is just pasted from the amd64 build log | 04:27 |
ajmitch | I'm hoping that it builds for i386 at least :) | 04:28 |
siretart | most probably | 04:29 |
ajmitch | that's all that matters for me ;) | 04:30 |
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bddebian | Howdy | 04:47 |
ajmitch | hello bddebian | 04:48 |
bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 04:48 |
bddebian | ajmitch: "Borrowed" an additional battery last night so it's ready to ship.. :-) | 04:48 |
ajmitch | oh? | 04:48 |
bddebian | Yeah if I can get my lazy ass to label it, tape it up, and take it to the post office.. ;-) | 04:49 |
ajmitch | heh | 04:49 |
ajmitch | and in 2 months, it might show up? :) | 04:49 |
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bddebian | ajmitch: No, I am going to expedite it if possible | 04:50 |
ajmitch | it's not urgent | 04:51 |
ajmitch | great, vegastrike built ok on i386 & ppc | 04:56 |
Lathiat | cool | 04:57 |
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persia | I'm curious about Malone: if a bug is entered there, is anyone alerted automatically? | 05:16 |
ajmitch | #ubuntu-bugs is notified, I don't think there's automatic assignment to anyone at the moment | 05:17 |
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persia | OK. Thanks. | 05:17 |
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persia | ajmitch: Does this also apply to universe packages? I'm not finding info on one of my submissions (with a patch, even). | 05:21 |
ajmitch | persia: malone is meant for just universe at the moment | 05:22 |
ajmitch | what bug did you file? | 05:23 |
persia | ajmitch: 1696: insufficient joystick button support in vegastrike (there's also an FTBFS right now - yet unfiled). | 05:24 |
ogra | an ftbfs ? i thought ajmitch just solved that one | 05:25 |
persia | ogra: it's a different FTBFS: it gets further along in the process... | 05:25 |
ogra | ah... | 05:25 |
ogra | i wasnt sure anyway if "miscompilation" would translate to ftbfs ;) | 05:26 |
ajmitch | ogra: sorry, I did fix FTBFS on i386 | 05:26 |
ajmitch | should have written FTBFS in changelog :) | 05:26 |
ogra | ajmitch, i guessed so... := | 05:27 |
ogra | :) | 05:27 |
ajmitch | 33 joystick buttons? now that's just getting excessive :) | 05:27 |
persia | ajmitch: Yeah, well... It glows blue too! | 05:28 |
ajmitch | hehe | 05:28 |
ajmitch | I don't have a joystick, so I wouldn't be able to test the patch | 05:28 |
ajmitch | I can apply & upload tomorrow though, and hopefully it will work, as you say :) | 05:28 |
persia | ajmitch: If you can help me to get it to compile on 64-bit machines, I'm happy to test :) | 05:28 |
ajmitch | persia: ah, you have 64-bit machine? | 05:29 |
persia | I'm also happy to try to get it to compile. | 05:29 |
persia | ajmitch: Well, AMD64: I'm not sure it doesn't drop into 32-bit every once in a while. | 05:29 |
ajmitch | yeah, it just FTBFS on amd64, I'll have to write up a patch for that | 05:30 |
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persia | ajmitch: ia64 as well, from lamont's logs, although I can't verify. | 05:31 |
ajmitch | it'll be the same error, trying to fit a pointer into an int | 05:31 |
ajmitch | void AggressiveLoopAround(Order* aisc, Unit * un) { Order* broll = new Orders::LoopAround(true,true,false,(int)un); | 05:33 |
ajmitch | should not be done on a 64-bit box | 05:33 |
ajmitch | easy enough to fix, it's just a matter of how widespread it is through the source | 05:34 |
persia | Is it just a case of changing "int" to "long" for each call, and running the compilation again? | 05:35 |
ajmitch | yeah, changing the casts | 05:35 |
persia | OK. I'll see about a patch, although if something gets too odd, I've not programmed in long enough I'll have to give up. | 05:36 |
ajmitch | :) | 05:36 |
ajmitch | thanks | 05:36 |
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persia | OK. Vegastrike now compiles for 64-bit machines: only 5 files changed. Any suggestions on making a nice patch from my edits? | 06:07 |
ogra__ | use dpatch-edit and attach the patch to a bug :) | 06:08 |
Lathiat | persia: compiles=works right? :P | 06:08 |
Lathiat | also, it still compiles+works on x86? :) | 06:08 |
persia | "No manual entry for dpatch-edit" :) | 06:08 |
ogra__ | persia, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7 | 06:09 |
tseng | at least i did one thing useful | 06:09 |
persia | Lathiat: No guarantees of that: given a script, I'll make a patch, and test against the current source for my machine. After that, someone else will have to test for 32-bits. | 06:09 |
ogra__ | tseng, <tired sounding>ha ha ha </tired sounding> | 06:10 |
persia | ogra__: Thanks. I'll look there. | 06:10 |
ogra__ | tseng, nobody takes such statements serious from you ;) | 06:10 |
tseng | haha | 06:10 |
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persia | Ummm... I'm looking for something a bit more basic. I know I can generate a patch for a single file with `diff -urN` original.file new.file, but I'm hoping there's an easy way to get the differences from a full build tree (vegastrike patches are all raw diffs). | 06:14 |
Lathiat | dpatch-edit-patch | 06:14 |
Lathiat | :) | 06:14 |
persia | Lathiat: vegastrike doesn't use dpatch. | 06:15 |
Lathiat | cdbs? :) | 06:15 |
Lathiat | heh | 06:15 |
\sh | cdbs-edit-patch | 06:15 |
ogra__ | persia, its no prob to add dpatch (one line in debian/rules) | 06:16 |
ogra__ | err, and one dependency in debian/control indeed | 06:16 |
ogra__ | as the howto says | 06:16 |
persia | ogra__: Yes, but it makes the package less clean: there are already a number of raw diffs. I'll just make 5 patches for this: at least that way I can test the changes :) | 06:17 |
\sh | persia: cdbs-edit-patch is your friend | 06:19 |
\sh | it does the same job as dpatch-edit-patch but only with raw diffs..but sometimes it's nasty | 06:19 |
persia | \sh: OK. I'm willing to make freinds. I've five modified files, and would like to generate a single raw diff for test application to the patch directory. Any generic suggestions that can help me? | 06:21 |
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Lathiat | persia: get a copy off the old dir then diff -Nru it? | 06:21 |
\sh | persia: i do it like this.. | 06:22 |
persia | Lathiat: That's my current activity... | 06:22 |
\sh | untar orig.tar.gz and patch it with the provided patches in debian/patches | 06:22 |
\sh | cp orig-dir orig-dir.patch | 06:22 |
\sh | modify your source in orig-dir.patch | 06:23 |
\sh | and du diff -ur orig-dir orig-dir.patch | 06:23 |
\sh | s/du/do/ | 06:23 |
persia | \sh: That makes sense: I'll probably do that next time, but this being my first time, I had not set up the parallel directories, and just edited files in ./work/... until it compiled. I'm copying files into parallel structures now. Thanks anyway. | 06:24 |
\sh | use pbuilder :) or create a chroot for such things... | 06:25 |
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persia | I've now a patch that allows vegastrike to compile on amd64. Anyone willing to test against i386 or ppc (the current working architectures)? | 06:50 |
Lathiat | i can try i386 later | 06:51 |
Lathiat | heh | 06:51 |
Lathiat | email it to lathiat@bur.st | 06:51 |
Lathiat | your dcc is b0rked | 06:51 |
Lathiat | coming from an internal ip | 06:51 |
persia | Yeah, well, it works sometimes... | 06:52 |
Lathiat | well it wont now because its coming from 192.168.92.6 :) | 06:52 |
persia | My NAT is a little funny. No worries. | 06:52 |
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Yagisan | persia: why don't you use an i386 chroot to test ? | 07:03 |
persia | Yagisan: Because I7ve not set up a chroot before, and it's 2am for me :) | 07:06 |
persia | Looking at the powermanga build failure: it also looks to be 64 bit cast problems. Is there a patch in the works, or would one be appreciated? | 07:07 |
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Yagisan | persia: 3am for me :) | 07:09 |
slomo | hi everybody :) | 07:10 |
highvoltage | hi slomo | 07:10 |
\sh | hey slomo | 07:10 |
Yagisan | G'day slomo | 07:10 |
tseng | hi | 07:10 |
bddebian | Heya slomo | 07:15 |
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siretart | huhu slomo | 07:41 |
siretart | has anyone in here already worked with yada? | 07:41 |
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bddebian | siretart: Bah, fear nothing :-) | 07:43 |
siretart | waah. lyx has gcc4 issues :( | 07:44 |
tseng | bddebian: did you ever get mythtv to build? | 07:44 |
bddebian | tseng: Yes but you yelled at me for pulling updates from CVS so I didn't do anymore. | 07:45 |
tseng | hm but it builds with cvs? | 07:45 |
bddebian | I just pulled the updated cvs code and used the same debian/* stuff yes. Although, I think there could be a couple of simplified rules. | 07:46 |
tseng | ok.. | 07:46 |
tseng | huh | 07:46 |
bddebian | The configure stuff in the newer code is better | 07:47 |
\sh | ok...bittorrent package is working again | 07:50 |
bddebian | \sh: You still rock.. ;-P | 07:51 |
\sh | now for bittornado | 07:54 |
siretart | \sh: woooho | 08:17 |
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\sh | yes | 08:43 |
\sh | back from phoning with amu :) | 08:43 |
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mbreit | hi all | 09:25 |
Yagisa1 | G'day | 09:25 |
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siretart | err. | 09:59 |
siretart | wtf is this yada?! | 09:59 |
ajmitch | siretart: ? | 10:00 |
siretart | ajmitch: I didn't read to docu yet, it just overwrote my modifications to debian/rules | 10:01 |
ajmitch | that doesn't sound good | 10:02 |
siretart | hm. the auther seem to have a strange sense for humor :/ | 10:03 |
siretart | 'yada yada' - creates template configuration for yada | 10:03 |
bddebian | heh | 10:03 |
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\sh | MOTUS! name a good wifi scanner application | 10:41 |
slomo | kismet | 10:41 |
\sh | slomo: running as well with madwifi drivers? | 10:41 |
slomo | i think so... just try it ;) | 10:42 |
mbreit | \sh: runs perfectly with madwifi | 10:42 |
ajmitch | worked for me | 10:42 |
mbreit | \sh: have used it on my thinkpad with madwifi... no problems | 10:42 |
ajmitch | if it doesn't install, ask Nafallo about it | 10:43 |
Nafallo | mememe :-) | 10:43 |
Nafallo | what? :-) | 10:43 |
ajmitch | Nafallo: you fixed & uploaded kismet, right/ | 10:43 |
Mez | kwifimanager | 10:44 |
ajmitch | or was that a 'not yet' due to UVF? | 10:44 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: not yet. I'll have to solve libdps1 first. and I'm out of time :-/ | 10:44 |
ajmitch | ah ok | 10:44 |
Mez | anything new for me to do? | 10:44 |
Mez | I'm getting a bit annoyed at my comp now | 10:44 |
Mez | not in the mood for gaming | 10:45 |
ajmitch | Mez: probably plenty :) | 10:45 |
Mez | so, thought I might try going back and doing some MOTU stuff | 10:45 |
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Mez | once I've fixed the breakage | 10:45 |
Nafallo | Mez: you could do the libdps1-is-moving-out transition ;-) | 10:45 |
Mez | huh? | 10:45 |
Mez | brb | 10:45 |
Mez | reboot | 10:45 |
Nafallo | haha | 10:45 |
Nafallo | :-) | 10:45 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: jdub here soon? ;-) | 10:45 |
ajmitch | what? | 10:46 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: you always no where he is :-) | 10:46 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: or rather when he is ;-) | 10:47 |
ajmitch | no, I don't | 10:48 |
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ajmitch | *if* he's back in sydney, it's not yet 7am there | 10:48 |
Nafallo | hehe, oki :-) | 10:48 |
ajmitch | as sydney is only 2 hours behind nz | 10:48 |
Nafallo | he usually greet people when he gets online :-) | 10:50 |
ajmitch | bbl | 10:51 |
\sh | ok...what source do i need for kismet and atheros card (madwifi driver) | 10:53 |
ogra | \sh, isnt that already in breezy ? | 10:54 |
\sh | ogra: yeah...i mean in kismet.conf ;) | 10:54 |
allee | \sh care to try wlassistant? (has a simple scanner) | 10:54 |
Mez | \sh, why not use kwifimanager? | 10:56 |
slomo | \sh: look at the kismet readme ;) | 10:56 |
\sh | slomo: got it :) | 10:56 |
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\sh | ok..no networks open anymore | 11:02 |
Mez | is that good or bad \sh ? | 11:03 |
\sh | Mez: for the test it | 11:04 |
\sh | 's bed | 11:04 |
\sh | bad | 11:04 |
\sh | even | 11:04 |
allee | wlassistant, works in hoary. Someone wants to try in breezy? (before revu upload) deb-src http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary-experimental ./ | 11:04 |
\sh | anyways...now I no why I don't like gnome...grmpf.. | 11:06 |
Mez | \sh :P | 11:06 |
\sh | changing desktops with ctrl+alt+<left> or <right> is not usable for me | 11:06 |
Mez | QOTD: <Keybuk> sweet, I managed to really annoy X by unplugging the mouse during a click | 11:06 |
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mbreit | \sh: could you upload a passepartout ftbfs fix for me? | 11:22 |
\sh | url | 11:23 |
mbreit | http://mo42.ath.cx/passepartout_0.6-1ubuntu2.debdiff | 11:23 |
\sh | mbreit: on it's way | 11:26 |
mbreit | \sh: thanks!! | 11:26 |
\sh | mbreit: done...katie should praise u | 11:29 |
mbreit | thanks again | 11:30 |
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