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crimsunmbreit: done. You should have received the e-mail.12:06
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mbreitcrimsun: thanks!!12:10
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thierryLathiat : what is going on with gnunet and gnome-chemistry-utils, have they been fixed?12:30
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dabaRif anyone is an op on #ubuntu, please come and devoice this one guy that is just totally annoying with his public away every 5 minutes.03:05
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ajmitchhey jsgotangco03:32
ajmitchhow's it going?03:32
jsgotangcohey03:33
jsgotangconot bad just checking the lists at the moment03:33
jsgotangcoi should get my laptop today03:33
ajmitchgreat03:33
ajmitchI haven't heard if mine has even been sent yet03:33
jsgotangcorobitaille also gets a dell but no word on shipment either03:34
ajmitchah so you know what others are getting?03:34
jsgotangcoonly some people03:35
ajmitchright03:35
ajmitchhow's the docteam going?03:35
jsgotangcoi've been busy on edubuntu lately, mgalvin is helping out on the packaging03:36
jsgotangcowe could probably ship at least 2 references03:36
jsgotangcothen plan ahead instead of cramming midway03:36
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ajmitchhey mgalvin03:36
jsgotangcospeak of the devil03:36
ajmitchheh03:36
jsgotangcohere is our packager03:36
ajmitchfor a moment I thought you just invited him in :)03:37
jsgotangcohe's been working with enrico03:37
ajmitchok03:37
mgalvinhey ajmitch03:37
mgalvinhey all03:38
mgalvinmwahahaha03:38
ajmitchI'll look forward to some good docs for breezy then :)03:38
jsgotangcoyeah we'll eventually move into baz later on03:39
ajmitchI've started using bazaar-ng, which is looking a lot nicer to use03:39
mgalvinyea enrico and i went over the ubuntu-docs package and it works, only thing left is finial decisions on what docs to include and make sure the install location is ok with the dev team03:39
ajmitchie, less than 100 commands :)03:39
ajmitchbazaar-ng is still missing a few things, but is certainly good enough for real work03:40
jsgotangcobaz-ng is going to be baz 2.0 right?03:41
ajmitchyep03:43
ajmitchI'm glad there are daily snapshot debs available03:44
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marcinhi all04:13
marcinI got a question about debian vs ubuntu repository04:13
ajmitchok04:13
marcinafaik when I want to prepare some package for ubuntu04:13
marcinthen if there already is simmilar package for debian04:14
ajmitchsimilar, as in the same software?04:14
marcinthen I should refer to this package04:14
marcinyes04:14
ajmitchyes, that is generally how we work04:14
marcinsomepackage-1.0-1.deb04:15
ajmitchthere are some exceptions, but we try to minimise the changes from debian04:15
marcinand then I should name my package somepackage-1.0-1ubuntu1.deb04:15
marcinright?04:15
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ajmitchmarcin: only if you're making changes to that debian package with version 1.0-104:15
ajmitchwhich I assume is what you're asking about04:15
marcinajmitch: not exactly04:16
marcinajmitch: in fact my question is - to what debian repository I should refer to?04:16
ajmitchwe work off unstable04:16
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marcinajmitch: ok04:18
ajmitchmarcin: what package is it, and what changes are you wanting to make?04:18
ajmitchhey siretart04:18
marcinajmitch: well currently it is color-theme for emacs04:18
marcinajmitch: color-theme.el04:18
ajmitchright04:19
marcinajmitch: and there is no such package in debian (afaik)04:19
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marcinajmitch: but I found this package in http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool04:19
ajmitchah, mentors.debian.net is quite unofficial04:20
ajmitchand can't be called 'debian' in that sense04:20
ajmitchI'd say that the package is badly named there, too04:20
marcinand this is why I ask here04:20
jdongok, then I'd like to request clamav 0.86.2's inclusion in Breezy -- 0.86.1 will not detect a couple sigs because of an old engine...04:20
marcinajmitch: why?04:21
ajmitchbecause it doesn't mention emacs at all - greater chance for namespace collision04:21
ajmitchjdong: sure, I'll request a sync from elmo04:22
ajmitchjdong: I think this is a reasonable package for UVF breaking, due to being so volatile04:22
marcinajmitch: well that's another question04:23
ajmitchah, 0.86.2 also fixes security holes..04:23
marcinajmitch: is there any 'official' naming convention for emacs packages?04:24
ajmitchwill have to make sure that the data & other reverse depends aren't adversely affected04:24
ajmitchmarcin: I don't know, as I'm not involved in emacs packaging04:24
ajmitchI'd assume there'd be at least some standard04:24
marcinajmitch: an easy way is to name every emacs related package with 'emacs' prefix04:25
marcinajmitch: but currently it doesn't work in this way in ubuntu04:25
ajmitchubuntu packages are just debian packages, I don't think there's anything new we've introduced04:26
marcinajmitch: we got jde, css-mode, gnus etc.04:26
ajmitchyep04:26
marcinajmitch: so this is why color-theme is not something unusual04:27
marcinajmitch: in fact emacs-color-theme could be04:27
ajmitchcolor-theme-el wouldn't be, afaik04:27
marcinajmitch: well I really don't like this convention at all04:29
bmontythe ubuntu wiki says that hoary can "automagically" detect the best download mirror and use it, anyone know if hoary has that capability?04:29
marcinajmitch: so, if I want to prepare color-theme package for ubuntu and this package is not available in debian unstable04:32
marcinajmitch: then how should I name this package?04:33
marcinajmitch: current version number is 6.5.504:33
marcinajmitch: color-theme_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb ?04:34
marcinajmitch: color-theme-el_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb?04:34
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ajmitch0ubuntu1, not 1ubunt004:41
marcinajmitch: ok04:44
marcinajmitch: and what about name?04:44
marcinajmitch: emacs-color-theme? color-theme? color-theme-el?04:44
ajmitchI don't know04:47
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ajmitchI'd suggest using the -el suffix, just because that is what I've seen other packages use04:47
mgalvindoes revu send emails to the MOTU's when uploads are made?04:49
marcinajmitch: ehh ok but it sucks extremely04:49
marcinajmitch: almost every other package which belongs to some 'family' uses prefix instead of suffix04:50
marcinajmitch: like python, zope, gnome, php, perl etc.04:51
ajmitchmost perl libs use a suffix04:57
ajmitchas do mono libs04:57
mgalvinat any rate, i just uploaded a gperfection2 icon theme package in case anyone can take a peek at it (and tell me how bad it is ;))04:59
marcinajmitch: most perl libs - because they are libs - so they have names like libsomething-something-perl05:00
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ajmitchI honestly don't see why we're debating debian's naming policy for something that I'm not involved in05:03
marcinwell right but question is if we could drop debian policy05:04
marcin(in fact I cannot see any policy in these package names - jsut mess and chaos but anyway)05:05
marcinand we could just use someting different for ubuntu05:05
jsgotangcoi dont think that's universe's job05:05
marcinjsgotangco: so if not here then where can I ask about this?05:07
jsgotangcomarcin, mdz is your best shot05:08
ajmitchmarcin: forking packaging from debian can cause unimagineable pain in the long run for the MOTUs05:08
ajmitchboth in terms of work required & future cooperation with debian05:09
marcinjsgotangco: mdz?05:09
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mgalvinmdz will most likely flat out say no, not adhearing to the debian policy is not an option05:10
jsgotangcoof course05:10
ajmitchfor the reasons I listed, mainly05:10
jsgotangcoif such was in our roadmap, it would have been done early on05:10
mgalvinyea, sorry for butting in half way through05:11
marcinjsgotangco: I'm not so sure - I don't think that emacs packages are in ubuntu road map at all05:12
marcinand I agree that these packages could conflict with debian packages05:13
marcinbut it in debian there is an incredible mess than why just copy this mess to ubuntu?05:13
ajmitchbecause someone would have to clean up & maintain that mess in ubuntu05:15
jsgotangcomarcin, ubuntu basically integrates what is currently available, if there is a mess in debian, its best be worked upstream05:15
ajmitchthat is, being responsible for all the bug reports, upstream updates, etc05:15
marcinso you just need more 'manpower' ?05:16
ajmitchsure, ubuntu 'could' fork everything that debian does, given enough manpower05:17
ajmitchbit it's also a matter of whether we should05:17
marcinright but short question - why not?05:18
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jsgotangcoim going to lunch :)05:24
ajmitch:)05:24
ajmitchok, I'll try & get some work done :)05:24
marcinok, not I need to go to bed but anyway - lack of 'menpower' is not real reason for me05:25
jsgotangcomarcin, if you think what you believe is the right track, then there is no one stopping you from advocating it, its best that you get involved05:26
jsgotangcobrb05:26
ajmitchah, the downside of bzr daily snapshots - they sometimes break :)05:40
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ajmitchhi jbailey05:52
jbaileyHeya Andrew05:52
=== ajmitch has just been playing with bzr
ajmitchrunning into a few very odd problems :)05:53
jbaileyajmitch: The #bzr channel is probably the best place to talk about it.05:53
ajmitchyeah, I've been trying to narrow down to a testcase, but no joy yet05:54
jbaileyUgh. =(05:54
ajmitch:0:> ~/bin/bzr merge ../../debian/gnue-forms-0.5.12/05:55
ajmitchbzr: warning: Conflict in newly added file /mnt/new-home/ajmitch/debian/gnue/tmp/integration/gnue-forms-0.5.12/debian/rules05:55
ajmitchbzr: [Errno 21]  Is a directory05:55
ajmitchthat sort of exception is *really* weird05:55
ajmitchit's just a file.read() call which is failing :(05:55
=== ajmitch will play with it some more tomorrow
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BurgundaviaTreenaks, nah there is just me, but I am pretty much everywhere06:35
TreenaksBurgundavia: ok :)06:42
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siretartmorning08:01
siretartBurgundavia: around?08:02
Burgundaviasiretart, yes08:04
siretartBurgundavia: is it possible to add inter wiki to ubuntu's wiki? or is this only available for administrators?08:07
siretartjust curious08:07
Burgundaviasiretart, I have no idea. best to ask hendrik08:07
siretartok08:08
ajmitchisn't it already there?08:08
siretartBurgundavia: I just saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template - just one remark08:08
jsgotangcoi dont think henrik has admin rights to the moin wiki either08:08
siretartBurgundavia: wouldn't it be better to create for each distribution/release such a report in an own page?08:08
siretartthe template seems to be intended as a general summary08:08
Burgundaviasiretart, mjg59 and myself discussed it. We only need the current stable and a rolling report for the current Colony/Array/whatever Breezy+1 is08:10
Burgundaviathus we only need one page08:10
siretartBurgundavia: ah, so you expect 2 pages. Stable and rolling?08:10
Burgundaviasiretart, no08:10
Burgundaviaa single page, with both on it08:11
siretartah. I see. will do08:11
Burgundaviasiretart, cheers. #ubuntu-laptop for further discussin08:11
siretartright. sorry08:11
siretartI'm not used to that channel yet *g*08:11
Burgundaviayes08:11
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pefmorning08:33
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Yagisa1G'day09:00
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pefwhy cdbs doesn't update cleanly config.{guess,sub} files ?10:00
pefIt bloats my diff.gz file with diff between upstream tarball and system config.{sub,guess} files :/10:01
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\shcdbs is evil10:16
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=== siretart looks at http://bugs.debian.org/cdbs
siretartjupp10:21
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pef\sh: upstream tarball sometimes too ;)10:29
pefespecialy when they have already a "home-made" debian layout10:30
siretartpef: upstreams often have no clue of packaging10:37
siretartpef: if they had, they would most probably don't include debian/* into upstream tarball10:37
pefsiretart: it's not very easy (for non-developer) to fill an bts for requesting packaging10:39
siretartpef: it consists mainly writing an email to submit@bugs.debian.org. format of this email is described on http://bugs.debian.org, espc. the part about wnpp10:41
siretartbut well, I see your point10:41
pefwhen authors are bored with "and debian package ?" they put a primitiv debian layout into their tarball, and voil10:42
pefI saw this on some sourceforge forums10:42
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Burgundaviaogra, "Team Burgundavia" indeed11:02
ograhehe :)11:05
ograyou work like 3 at least11:05
Burgundaviaon Wednesday I start work11:05
Burgundaviathus I will have less time11:05
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mbreithi all11:15
pefsiretart: how did you get a directory like http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508131655/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ from the upload ?11:16
ajmitchpef: that's after it was built, I believe?11:17
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ajmitchwb jsgotangco11:18
ajmitchhi mbreit11:18
mbreithi ajmitch11:18
jsgotangcothanks11:18
jsgotangcohmm11:18
jsgotangcodesktop froze11:18
siretartpef: err, I 'just' do a dpkg-source -x *.dsc after an upload11:19
ajmitchsiretart: ah, so the stamp-* files are a mistake then? :)11:19
siretarterr, sorry?11:20
ajmitchstamp-autotools-files & stamp-makefile-build don't appear to be in the original diff11:20
ajmitchI could be quite mistaken..11:21
siretartajmitch: that because the were in the .orig.tar.gz11:21
ajmitchpef: was this one that had an existing debian/ directory?11:21
ajmitchoh evil11:21
siretarthttp://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508161105/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ doesnt show them anymore, because orig.tar.gz was repackages11:21
siretartwhich is right in this case, I think11:21
ajmitchok11:22
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pefajmitch: yes11:37
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pefbecause of dh_make bug with bzip2 archives #12618, should I use get-orig-source target to recreate a gzipped tarball, or simply doing this by hand ?11:47
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pefdoes a call to dh_desktop is really usefull when there are no MimeType registered in .desktop file ?01:02
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\shogra: ping01:24
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ogra\sh, pong01:47
ajmitchhey ogra :)01:47
ogradid everybody notice the CC meeting starts in 15min01:47
siretartre01:47
ajmitchyes01:47
\shargl01:47
\shno01:47
\sh,-)01:47
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\shogra: i got mail from infinito about gcfilms01:47
ograi just recognized it myself01:47
siretart\sh: do you have the wiki name describing NetworkInstalls?01:48
\shhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet01:48
ajmitchis there anything we need be available for the meeting?01:48
\shogra: do we get it synced into breezy for universe even after feature freeze?01:48
ajmitchah, mbreit on member candidates01:48
siretart\sh: ah, thanks01:49
ogra\sh, synced from ?01:49
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=== Topic for #ubuntu-motu: Ubuntu Masters of the Universe: Ubuntu Universe Repository Maintainers | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTodo | for reviewing (NEW or updated)? go here: http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/ | First priority: MERGING , deadline was 2005-07-21 buglist: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge | http://wiki.debian.net/?EtchSlang2upgrade | HAPPY REVIEW DAY! :)
=== Topic (#ubuntu-motu): set by dholbach at Thu Jul 28 07:47:46 2005
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hmm01:49
(\sh/#ubuntu-motu) ogra: debian...i mean, i have to check it again if it's fixed in debian..but I don't want to have another package to care for right now01:50
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) reminds me that I need to ask elmo to sync clamav01:50
(ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) & f-spot once I get it tested ;)01:50
ajmitchsigh, I'd really like to break the freeze for other packages as well, if possible :)01:51
\shactually I want to spend the time to polish the other packages then to sync new stuff in01:52
ajmitch\sh: all the packages I want are updates (including upstream fixes)01:52
ajmitchnothing NEW01:52
ajmitchmbreit: how many of those still need looked at/uploaded?02:04
mbreitajmitch: none atm....02:04
ajmitchok, great02:05
=== ajmitch remembers - please start putting stuff on the agenda for next weeks MOTU meeting
=== ajmitch is glad that MOTU meetings start far quicker than CC meetings :)
Nafalloajmitch: ;-)02:29
pefhow should I named a newly packaged apps like foo-0.2 ? foo-0.2-0ubuntu1 ?02:31
ajmitchpef: yep02:32
pefthanks !02:32
ajmitchwell you put 0.2-0ubuntu1 in the changelog anyway :)02:32
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pefin debian/control, if I use copyrighted names, like Windows or neroBurningRom, should I add (c) or something ?02:44
ajmitchthey're registered trademarks, not copyrighted02:45
ajmitchso I _think_ it'd either be (R) or (TM)02:45
pefoups02:45
siretartI would avoid them if possible, because I don't understand the legal consequences either02:45
ajmitchbut I haven't seen them used02:45
ajmitchdo as siretart says ;)02:45
Mithrandir is for registered marks.02:47
Mithrandirit doesn't really matter, but just avoid them, probably no use in mentioning them02:47
siretartah. utf-8 :)02:47
pefsiretart: I'm packaging a tool wich converts a proprietary format (cdrom image files) to ISO format, the program name is CloneCD02:48
siretartpef: why not write '.. converts images in .foo format (used by some comercial sofware) into .iso images...'02:51
siretartwhat format is that? is that somewhat common?02:51
pefsiretart: proprietary format like .doc02:53
siretartpef: everyone knows .doc format. we are beeing terrorisated very often with that02:54
pefme too :)02:54
pefbut if I don't include the apps'name into description, a personn who seeks for "clonecd"  will not find anything :/02:55
ograbut someone whoi searches for cloning CDs will find it if you write "an app for cloning CDs"02:56
siretartpef: they will find it when they search for the filename extension02:59
siretartpef: and when they have been given a hint in the forum, of course03:00
pefogra: it's just a format converter tool03:00
ograpef, you talked about clonecd03:00
pefogra: the output format of clonecd ;)03:02
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mgalvinhi all03:31
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rbelemmgalvin, hi ;-)03:44
mgalvinhi rbelem03:44
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HiddenWolfHey guys03:50
TreenaksHiddenWolf: hey, I thought you couldn't code?03:50
Treenaks;)03:50
HiddenWolfTreenaks, I can't03:51
HiddenWolfYet03:51
ajmitchhi HiddenWolf03:51
ajmitchTreenaks: what, you need to be able to code to be in here? :)03:51
HiddenWolfTreenaks, but I'm getting fed up with myself, I'd like to fix those stupid bugs myself, really. :P03:52
Treenaksajmitch: no, but we had a discussion about it yesterday in #-nl :)03:52
TreenaksHiddenWolf: first, upgrade to breezy.. :)03:52
TreenaksHiddenWolf: second, ...03:52
TreenaksHiddenWolf: third, profit!03:52
ajmitchheh03:53
ajmitchTreenaks: step 2 is pull hair out ;)03:53
HiddenWolfTreenaks, you are aware that my pc is currently without an harddrive, right? ;)03:53
Treenaksajmitch: It is?03:53
ajmitchoh, breezy on usb stick! there's an opportunity for you, HiddenWolf ;)03:53
HiddenWolfajmitch, I'm hoping to have a new drive by the time I drag my tanned ass back to Holland from Rome. ;)03:54
Lathiatthatd be cool03:54
ajmitchmm, I'd love to visit Rome some day03:54
=== Treenaks suggests a conference in Rome :)
ajmitchmy flatmate got to go to rome last year on only a day or two's notice, for a few weeks :)03:55
jamessan|workyes, Rome is awesome03:56
TreenaksMy next destination is Berlin03:56
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TreenaksHiddenWolf: ?03:57
ajmitchfurthest I've managed to get so far is australia03:57
HiddenWolfis this a redirect to #ubuntu-travel? ;)03:57
jamessan|workreturn visit to Rome aside, I'd love to go to Belgium03:57
Treenaksajmitch: can't get much further from here :)03:57
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ajmitchTreenaks: well I'm in NZ, so Australia is fairly close :)03:57
\shTreenaks: I will send you my mobile number..so we can catch up in berlin...looks like I will sleep at dholbachs place03:57
HiddenWolfTreenaks, sabdfl managed. ;)03:57
jamessan|workHiddenWolf: yup. should I put you in contact with my travel agent?  ;)03:57
ajmitchHiddenWolf: sure, suggest Rome for the next ubuntu conference :)03:58
Treenaks\sh: PM it :) I'll add you to my phone immediately03:58
kikohey haxors03:58
tsengmorning kiko03:58
kikowhat's going on up north?03:58
tsengits hot and stuff03:59
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HiddenWolfjamessan, I'm a poor student. :)03:59
jamessan|workyeah, I was just joking03:59
ograkiko, looks like every day there03:59
HiddenWolfjamessan, I figured. :)03:59
siretartno smoke signs? ;)04:00
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ograsiretart, not since \sh finished the cigarette04:00
siretarthehe04:00
\shyes...I just saw a shocked treenaks ,-)04:01
ajmitchhi kiko, tseng04:01
HiddenWolfajmitch, I'd happily suggest it, but I'm nobody. :P04:09
pefwhen is the next review day ?04:09
ajmitch18th04:09
ajmitchall timezones04:09
Treenaksajmitch: whee @ 36-hour days :)04:10
ajmitchonly 36? :)04:10
Treenaksajmitch: 24 + 1204:10
pefthanks04:11
ajmitchTreenaks: NZ is UTC+12, some pacific islands are UTC-12, iirc04:11
Treenaksajmitch: yes (like the islands I work for, .tk :))04:12
ajmitchso NZ can be 24 hours ahead of them (maybe 23)04:12
ajmitchalready the 17th here :)04:12
ajmitchso I'll start my review day in < 24 hours04:13
pefhave to go, bye !04:13
ajmitchbye pef04:13
Treenaksajmitch: hm yes04:13
Treenaksajmitch: 48-hour days.. don't tell my boss04:13
ajmitchhaha04:13
Nafallois sistpoty a member yet?04:15
Nafallois there anyone proposed on this list: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers that is already a member?04:15
Nafallosiretart: ping ^04:22
siretartNafallo: whats up?04:22
Nafallosiretart: above :-) is sistpoty ubuntu member?04:22
NafalloIIRC he is for the work on REVU04:23
siretartNafallo: Yes, he is member, but not MOTU yet04:23
Nafallosiretart: oki, sorting out launchpad with sabdfl ;-)04:23
siretartah. i see :)04:23
ajmitchgar04:25
ajmitchvegastrike build fail :(04:25
Lathiatheh04:25
Lathiati wa sjust looking at the build log04:25
Lathiaterr04:25
Lathiatemail04:25
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ajmitchyeah, not 64-bit clean04:26
Lathiatah04:26
ajmitchint/pointer issues again04:26
Lathiatgive up, amd64 sucks ;p04:26
ajmitcherror: cast from 'Unit*' to 'int' loses precision04:26
ajmitchI don't use amd64 :)04:26
Lathiatheh04:26
Lathiatem64t then ;p04:27
siretartajmitch: try to cast it to long04:27
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Lathiatas do i :)04:27
ajmitchthis is just pasted from the amd64 build log04:27
ajmitchI'm hoping that it builds for i386 at least :)04:28
siretartmost probably04:29
ajmitchthat's all that matters for me ;)04:30
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bddebianHowdy04:47
ajmitchhello bddebian04:48
bddebianHeya ajmitch04:48
bddebianajmitch: "Borrowed" an additional battery last night so it's ready to ship.. :-)04:48
ajmitchoh?04:48
bddebianYeah if I can get my lazy ass to label it, tape it up, and take it to the post office.. ;-)04:49
ajmitchheh04:49
ajmitchand in 2 months, it might show up? :)04:49
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bddebianajmitch: No, I am going to expedite it if possible04:50
ajmitchit's not urgent04:51
ajmitchgreat, vegastrike built ok on i386 & ppc04:56
Lathiatcool04:57
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persiaI'm curious about Malone: if a bug is entered there, is anyone alerted automatically?05:16
ajmitch#ubuntu-bugs is notified, I don't think there's automatic assignment to anyone at the moment05:17
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persiaOK.  Thanks.05:17
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persiaajmitch: Does this also apply to universe packages?  I'm not finding info on one of my submissions (with a patch, even).05:21
ajmitchpersia: malone is meant for just universe at the moment05:22
ajmitchwhat bug did you file?05:23
persiaajmitch: 1696: insufficient joystick button support in vegastrike (there's also an FTBFS right now - yet unfiled).05:24
ograan ftbfs ? i thought ajmitch just solved that one05:25
persiaogra: it's a different FTBFS: it gets further along in the process...05:25
ograah...05:25
ograi wasnt sure anyway if "miscompilation" would translate to ftbfs ;)05:26
ajmitchogra: sorry, I did fix FTBFS on i38605:26
ajmitchshould have written FTBFS in changelog :)05:26
ograajmitch, i guessed so...  :=05:27
ogra:)05:27
ajmitch33 joystick buttons? now that's just getting excessive :)05:27
persiaajmitch: Yeah, well...  It glows blue too!05:28
ajmitchhehe05:28
ajmitchI don't have a joystick, so I wouldn't be able to test the patch05:28
ajmitchI can apply & upload tomorrow though, and hopefully it will work, as you say :)05:28
persiaajmitch: If you can help me to get it to compile on 64-bit machines, I'm happy to test :)05:28
ajmitchpersia: ah, you have 64-bit machine?05:29
persiaI'm also happy to try to get it to compile.05:29
persiaajmitch: Well, AMD64: I'm not sure it doesn't drop into 32-bit every once in a while.05:29
ajmitchyeah, it just FTBFS on amd64, I'll have to write up a patch for that05:30
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persiaajmitch: ia64 as well, from lamont's logs, although I can't verify.05:31
ajmitchit'll be the same error, trying to fit a pointer into an int05:31
ajmitchvoid AggressiveLoopAround(Order* aisc, Unit * un) { Order* broll = new Orders::LoopAround(true,true,false,(int)un);05:33
ajmitchshould not be done on a 64-bit box05:33
ajmitcheasy enough to fix, it's just a matter of how widespread it is through the source05:34
persiaIs it just a case of changing "int" to "long" for each call, and running the compilation again?05:35
ajmitchyeah, changing the casts05:35
persiaOK.  I'll see about a patch, although if something gets too odd, I've not programmed in long enough I'll have to give up.05:36
ajmitch:)05:36
ajmitchthanks05:36
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persiaOK.  Vegastrike now compiles for 64-bit machines: only 5 files changed.  Any suggestions on making a nice patch from my edits?06:07
ogra__use dpatch-edit and attach the patch to a bug :)06:08
Lathiatpersia: compiles=works right? :P06:08
Lathiatalso, it still compiles+works on x86? :)06:08
persia"No manual entry for dpatch-edit" :)06:08
ogra__persia, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=706:09
tsengat least i did one thing useful06:09
persiaLathiat: No guarantees of that: given a script, I'll make a patch, and test against the current source for my machine.  After that, someone else will have to test for 32-bits.06:09
ogra__tseng, <tired sounding>ha ha ha </tired sounding>06:10
persiaogra__: Thanks.  I'll look there.06:10
ogra__tseng, nobody takes such statements serious from you ;)06:10
tsenghaha06:10
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persiaUmmm...  I'm looking for something a bit more basic.  I know I can generate a patch for a single file with `diff -urN` original.file new.file, but I'm hoping there's an easy way to get the differences from a full build tree (vegastrike patches are all raw diffs).06:14
Lathiatdpatch-edit-patch06:14
Lathiat:)06:14
persiaLathiat: vegastrike doesn't use dpatch.06:15
Lathiatcdbs? :)06:15
Lathiatheh06:15
\shcdbs-edit-patch06:15
ogra__persia, its no prob to add dpatch (one line in debian/rules)06:16
ogra__err, and one dependency in debian/control indeed06:16
ogra__as the howto says06:16
persiaogra__: Yes, but it makes the package less clean: there are already a number of raw diffs.  I'll just make 5 patches for this: at least that way I can test the changes :)06:17
\shpersia: cdbs-edit-patch is your friend06:19
\shit does the same job as dpatch-edit-patch but only with raw diffs..but sometimes it's nasty06:19
persia\sh: OK.  I'm willing to make freinds.  I've five modified files, and would like to generate a single raw diff for test application to the patch directory.  Any generic suggestions that can help me?06:21
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Lathiatpersia: get a copy off the old dir then diff -Nru it?06:21
\shpersia: i do it like this..06:22
persiaLathiat: That's my current activity...06:22
\shuntar orig.tar.gz and patch it with the provided patches in debian/patches06:22
\shcp orig-dir orig-dir.patch06:22
\shmodify your source in orig-dir.patch06:23
\shand du diff -ur orig-dir orig-dir.patch06:23
\shs/du/do/06:23
persia\sh: That makes sense: I'll probably do that next time, but this being my first time, I had not set up the parallel directories, and just edited files in ./work/... until it compiled.  I'm copying files into parallel structures now.  Thanks anyway.06:24
\shuse pbuilder :) or create a chroot for such things...06:25
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persiaI've now a patch that allows vegastrike to compile on amd64.  Anyone willing to test against i386 or ppc (the current working architectures)?06:50
Lathiati can try i386 later06:51
Lathiatheh06:51
Lathiatemail it to lathiat@bur.st06:51
Lathiatyour dcc is b0rked06:51
Lathiatcoming from an internal ip06:51
persiaYeah, well, it works sometimes...06:52
Lathiatwell it wont now because its coming from 192.168.92.6 :)06:52
persiaMy NAT is a little funny.  No worries.06:52
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Yagisanpersia: why don't you use an i386 chroot to test ?07:03
persiaYagisan: Because I7ve not set up a chroot before, and it's 2am for me :)07:06
persiaLooking at the powermanga build failure: it also looks to be 64 bit cast problems.  Is there a patch in the works, or would one be appreciated?07:07
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Yagisanpersia: 3am for me :)07:09
slomohi everybody :)07:10
highvoltagehi slomo07:10
\shhey slomo07:10
YagisanG'day slomo07:10
tsenghi07:10
bddebianHeya slomo07:15
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siretarthuhu slomo07:41
siretarthas anyone in here already worked with yada?07:41
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bddebiansiretart: Bah, fear nothing :-)07:43
siretartwaah. lyx has gcc4 issues :(07:44
tsengbddebian: did you ever get mythtv to build?07:44
bddebiantseng: Yes but you yelled at me for pulling updates from CVS so I didn't do anymore.07:45
tsenghm but it builds with cvs?07:45
bddebianI just pulled the updated cvs code and used the same debian/* stuff yes.  Although, I think there could be a couple of simplified rules.07:46
tsengok..07:46
tsenghuh07:46
bddebianThe configure stuff in the newer code is better07:47
\shok...bittorrent package is working again07:50
bddebian\sh: You still rock.. ;-P07:51
\shnow for bittornado07:54
siretart\sh: woooho08:17
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\shyes08:43
\shback from phoning with amu :)08:43
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mbreithi all09:25
Yagisa1G'day09:25
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siretarterr.09:59
siretartwtf is this yada?!09:59
ajmitchsiretart: ?10:00
siretartajmitch: I didn't read to docu yet, it just overwrote my modifications to debian/rules10:01
ajmitchthat doesn't sound good10:02
siretarthm. the auther seem to have a strange sense for humor :/10:03
siretart'yada yada'  - creates template configuration for yada10:03
bddebianheh10:03
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\shMOTUS! name a good wifi scanner application10:41
slomokismet10:41
\shslomo: running as well with madwifi drivers?10:41
slomoi think so... just try it ;)10:42
mbreit\sh: runs perfectly with madwifi10:42
ajmitchworked for me10:42
mbreit\sh: have used it on my thinkpad with madwifi... no problems10:42
ajmitchif it doesn't install, ask Nafallo about it10:43
Nafallomememe :-)10:43
Nafallowhat? :-)10:43
ajmitchNafallo: you fixed & uploaded kismet, right/10:43
Mezkwifimanager10:44
ajmitchor was that a 'not yet' due to UVF?10:44
Nafalloajmitch: not yet. I'll have to solve libdps1 first. and I'm out of time :-/10:44
ajmitchah ok10:44
Mezanything new for me to do?10:44
MezI'm getting a bit annoyed at my comp now10:44
Meznot in the mood for gaming10:45
ajmitchMez: probably plenty :)10:45
Mezso, thought I might try going back and doing some MOTU stuff10:45
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Mezonce I've fixed the breakage10:45
NafalloMez: you could do the libdps1-is-moving-out transition ;-)10:45
Mezhuh?10:45
Mezbrb10:45
Mezreboot10:45
Nafallohaha10:45
Nafallo:-)10:45
Nafalloajmitch: jdub here soon? ;-)10:45
ajmitchwhat?10:46
Nafalloajmitch: you always no where he is :-)10:46
Nafalloajmitch: or rather when he is ;-)10:47
ajmitchno, I don't10:48
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ajmitch*if* he's back in sydney, it's not yet 7am there10:48
Nafallohehe, oki :-)10:48
ajmitchas sydney is only 2 hours behind nz10:48
Nafallohe usually greet people when he gets online :-)10:50
ajmitchbbl10:51
\shok...what source do i need for kismet and atheros card (madwifi driver)10:53
ogra\sh, isnt that already in breezy ?10:54
\shogra: yeah...i mean in kismet.conf ;)10:54
allee\sh care to try wlassistant? (has a simple scanner)10:54
Mez\sh, why not use kwifimanager?10:56
slomo\sh: look at the kismet readme ;)10:56
\shslomo: got it :)10:56
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\shok..no networks open anymore11:02
Mezis that good or bad \sh ?11:03
\shMez: for the test it11:04
\sh's bed11:04
\shbad11:04
\sheven11:04
alleewlassistant, works in hoary.  Someone wants to try in breezy? (before revu upload)  deb-src http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary-experimental ./11:04
\shanyways...now I no why I don't like gnome...grmpf..11:06
Mez\sh :P11:06
\shchanging desktops with ctrl+alt+<left> or <right> is not usable for me11:06
MezQOTD: <Keybuk> sweet, I managed to really annoy X by unplugging the mouse during a click11:06
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mbreit\sh: could you upload a passepartout ftbfs fix for me?11:22
\shurl11:23
mbreithttp://mo42.ath.cx/passepartout_0.6-1ubuntu2.debdiff11:23
\shmbreit: on it's way11:26
mbreit\sh: thanks!!11:26
\shmbreit: done...katie should praise u11:29
mbreitthanks again11:30
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