[12:06] <crimsun> mbreit: done. You should have received the e-mail.
[12:10] <mbreit> crimsun: thanks!!
[12:30] <thierry> Lathiat : what is going on with gnunet and gnome-chemistry-utils, have they been fixed?
[03:05] <dabaR> if anyone is an op on #ubuntu, please come and devoice this one guy that is just totally annoying with his public away every 5 minutes.
[03:32] <ajmitch> hey jsgotangco
[03:32] <ajmitch> how's it going?
[03:33] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:33] <jsgotangco> not bad just checking the lists at the moment
[03:33] <jsgotangco> i should get my laptop today
[03:33] <ajmitch> great
[03:33] <ajmitch> I haven't heard if mine has even been sent yet
[03:34] <jsgotangco> robitaille also gets a dell but no word on shipment either
[03:34] <ajmitch> ah so you know what others are getting?
[03:35] <jsgotangco> only some people
[03:35] <ajmitch> right
[03:35] <ajmitch> how's the docteam going?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> i've been busy on edubuntu lately, mgalvin is helping out on the packaging
[03:36] <jsgotangco> we could probably ship at least 2 references
[03:36] <jsgotangco> then plan ahead instead of cramming midway
[03:36] <ajmitch> hey mgalvin
[03:36] <jsgotangco> speak of the devil
[03:36] <ajmitch> heh
[03:36] <jsgotangco> here is our packager
[03:37] <ajmitch> for a moment I thought you just invited him in :)
[03:37] <jsgotangco> he's been working with enrico
[03:37] <ajmitch> ok
[03:37] <mgalvin> hey ajmitch
[03:38] <mgalvin> hey all
[03:38] <mgalvin> mwahahaha
[03:38] <ajmitch> I'll look forward to some good docs for breezy then :)
[03:39] <jsgotangco> yeah we'll eventually move into baz later on
[03:39] <ajmitch> I've started using bazaar-ng, which is looking a lot nicer to use
[03:39] <mgalvin> yea enrico and i went over the ubuntu-docs package and it works, only thing left is finial decisions on what docs to include and make sure the install location is ok with the dev team
[03:39] <ajmitch> ie, less than 100 commands :)
[03:40] <ajmitch> bazaar-ng is still missing a few things, but is certainly good enough for real work
[03:41] <jsgotangco> baz-ng is going to be baz 2.0 right?
[03:43] <ajmitch> yep
[03:44] <ajmitch> I'm glad there are daily snapshot debs available
[04:13] <marcin> hi all
[04:13] <marcin> I got a question about debian vs ubuntu repository
[04:13] <ajmitch> ok
[04:13] <marcin> afaik when I want to prepare some package for ubuntu
[04:14] <marcin> then if there already is simmilar package for debian
[04:14] <ajmitch> similar, as in the same software?
[04:14] <marcin> then I should refer to this package
[04:14] <marcin> yes
[04:14] <ajmitch> yes, that is generally how we work
[04:15] <marcin> somepackage-1.0-1.deb
[04:15] <ajmitch> there are some exceptions, but we try to minimise the changes from debian
[04:15] <marcin> and then I should name my package somepackage-1.0-1ubuntu1.deb
[04:15] <marcin> right?
[04:15] <ajmitch> marcin: only if you're making changes to that debian package with version 1.0-1
[04:15] <ajmitch> which I assume is what you're asking about
[04:16] <marcin> ajmitch: not exactly
[04:16] <marcin> ajmitch: in fact my question is - to what debian repository I should refer to?
[04:16] <ajmitch> we work off unstable
[04:18] <marcin> ajmitch: ok
[04:18] <ajmitch> marcin: what package is it, and what changes are you wanting to make?
[04:18] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[04:18] <marcin> ajmitch: well currently it is color-theme for emacs
[04:18] <marcin> ajmitch: color-theme.el
[04:19] <ajmitch> right
[04:19] <marcin> ajmitch: and there is no such package in debian (afaik)
[04:19] <marcin> ajmitch: but I found this package in http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool
[04:20] <ajmitch> ah, mentors.debian.net is quite unofficial
[04:20] <ajmitch> and can't be called 'debian' in that sense
[04:20] <ajmitch> I'd say that the package is badly named there, too
[04:20] <marcin> and this is why I ask here
[04:20] <jdong> ok, then I'd like to request clamav 0.86.2's inclusion in Breezy -- 0.86.1 will not detect a couple sigs because of an old engine...
[04:21] <marcin> ajmitch: why?
[04:21] <ajmitch> because it doesn't mention emacs at all - greater chance for namespace collision
[04:22] <ajmitch> jdong: sure, I'll request a sync from elmo
[04:22] <ajmitch> jdong: I think this is a reasonable package for UVF breaking, due to being so volatile
[04:23] <marcin> ajmitch: well that's another question
[04:23] <ajmitch> ah, 0.86.2 also fixes security holes..
[04:24] <marcin> ajmitch: is there any 'official' naming convention for emacs packages?
[04:24] <ajmitch> will have to make sure that the data & other reverse depends aren't adversely affected
[04:24] <ajmitch> marcin: I don't know, as I'm not involved in emacs packaging
[04:24] <ajmitch> I'd assume there'd be at least some standard
[04:25] <marcin> ajmitch: an easy way is to name every emacs related package with 'emacs' prefix
[04:25] <marcin> ajmitch: but currently it doesn't work in this way in ubuntu
[04:26] <ajmitch> ubuntu packages are just debian packages, I don't think there's anything new we've introduced
[04:26] <marcin> ajmitch: we got jde, css-mode, gnus etc.
[04:26] <ajmitch> yep
[04:27] <marcin> ajmitch: so this is why color-theme is not something unusual
[04:27] <marcin> ajmitch: in fact emacs-color-theme could be
[04:27] <ajmitch> color-theme-el wouldn't be, afaik
[04:29] <marcin> ajmitch: well I really don't like this convention at all
[04:29] <bmonty> the ubuntu wiki says that hoary can "automagically" detect the best download mirror and use it, anyone know if hoary has that capability?
[04:32] <marcin> ajmitch: so, if I want to prepare color-theme package for ubuntu and this package is not available in debian unstable
[04:33] <marcin> ajmitch: then how should I name this package?
[04:33] <marcin> ajmitch: current version number is 6.5.5
[04:34] <marcin> ajmitch: color-theme_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb ?
[04:34] <marcin> ajmitch: color-theme-el_6.5.5-1ubuntu0.all.deb?
[04:41] <ajmitch> 0ubuntu1, not 1ubunt0
[04:44] <marcin> ajmitch: ok
[04:44] <marcin> ajmitch: and what about name?
[04:44] <marcin> ajmitch: emacs-color-theme? color-theme? color-theme-el?
[04:47] <ajmitch> I don't know
[04:47] <ajmitch> I'd suggest using the -el suffix, just because that is what I've seen other packages use
[04:49] <mgalvin> does revu send emails to the MOTU's when uploads are made?
[04:49] <marcin> ajmitch: ehh ok but it sucks extremely
[04:50] <marcin> ajmitch: almost every other package which belongs to some 'family' uses prefix instead of suffix
[04:51] <marcin> ajmitch: like python, zope, gnome, php, perl etc.
[04:57] <ajmitch> most perl libs use a suffix
[04:57] <ajmitch> as do mono libs
[04:59] <mgalvin> at any rate, i just uploaded a gperfection2 icon theme package in case anyone can take a peek at it (and tell me how bad it is ;))
[05:00] <marcin> ajmitch: most perl libs - because they are libs - so they have names like libsomething-something-perl
[05:03] <ajmitch> I honestly don't see why we're debating debian's naming policy for something that I'm not involved in
[05:04] <marcin> well right but question is if we could drop debian policy
[05:05] <marcin> (in fact I cannot see any policy in these package names - jsut mess and chaos but anyway)
[05:05] <marcin> and we could just use someting different for ubuntu
[05:05] <jsgotangco> i dont think that's universe's job
[05:07] <marcin> jsgotangco: so if not here then where can I ask about this?
[05:08] <jsgotangco> marcin, mdz is your best shot
[05:08] <ajmitch> marcin: forking packaging from debian can cause unimagineable pain in the long run for the MOTUs
[05:09] <ajmitch> both in terms of work required & future cooperation with debian
[05:09] <marcin> jsgotangco: mdz?
[05:10] <mgalvin> mdz will most likely flat out say no, not adhearing to the debian policy is not an option
[05:10] <jsgotangco> of course
[05:10] <ajmitch> for the reasons I listed, mainly
[05:10] <jsgotangco> if such was in our roadmap, it would have been done early on
[05:11] <mgalvin> yea, sorry for butting in half way through
[05:12] <marcin> jsgotangco: I'm not so sure - I don't think that emacs packages are in ubuntu road map at all
[05:13] <marcin> and I agree that these packages could conflict with debian packages
[05:13] <marcin> but it in debian there is an incredible mess than why just copy this mess to ubuntu?
[05:15] <ajmitch> because someone would have to clean up & maintain that mess in ubuntu
[05:15] <jsgotangco> marcin, ubuntu basically integrates what is currently available, if there is a mess in debian, its best be worked upstream
[05:15] <ajmitch> that is, being responsible for all the bug reports, upstream updates, etc
[05:16] <marcin> so you just need more 'manpower' ?
[05:17] <ajmitch> sure, ubuntu 'could' fork everything that debian does, given enough manpower
[05:17] <ajmitch> bit it's also a matter of whether we should
[05:18] <marcin> right but short question - why not?
[05:24] <jsgotangco> im going to lunch :)
[05:24] <ajmitch> :)
[05:24] <ajmitch> ok, I'll try & get some work done :)
[05:25] <marcin> ok, not I need to go to bed but anyway - lack of 'menpower' is not real reason for me
[05:26] <jsgotangco> marcin, if you think what you believe is the right track, then there is no one stopping you from advocating it, its best that you get involved
[05:26] <jsgotangco> brb
[05:40] <ajmitch> ah, the downside of bzr daily snapshots - they sometimes break :)
[05:52] <ajmitch> hi jbailey
[05:52] <jbailey> Heya Andrew
[05:53] <ajmitch> running into a few very odd problems :)
[05:53] <jbailey> ajmitch: The #bzr channel is probably the best place to talk about it.
[05:54] <ajmitch> yeah, I've been trying to narrow down to a testcase, but no joy yet
[05:54] <jbailey> Ugh. =(
[05:55] <ajmitch> :0:> ~/bin/bzr merge ../../debian/gnue-forms-0.5.12/
[05:55] <ajmitch> bzr: warning: Conflict in newly added file /mnt/new-home/ajmitch/debian/gnue/tmp/integration/gnue-forms-0.5.12/debian/rules
[05:55] <ajmitch> bzr: [Errno 21]  Is a directory
[05:55] <ajmitch> that sort of exception is *really* weird
[05:55] <ajmitch> it's just a file.read() call which is failing :(
[06:35] <Burgundavia> Treenaks, nah there is just me, but I am pretty much everywhere
[06:42] <Treenaks> Burgundavia: ok :)
[08:01] <siretart> morning
[08:02] <siretart> Burgundavia: around?
[08:04] <Burgundavia> siretart, yes
[08:07] <siretart> Burgundavia: is it possible to add inter wiki to ubuntu's wiki? or is this only available for administrators?
[08:07] <siretart> just curious
[08:07] <Burgundavia> siretart, I have no idea. best to ask hendrik
[08:08] <siretart> ok
[08:08] <ajmitch> isn't it already there?
[08:08] <siretart> Burgundavia: I just saw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/Template - just one remark
[08:08] <jsgotangco> i dont think henrik has admin rights to the moin wiki either
[08:08] <siretart> Burgundavia: wouldn't it be better to create for each distribution/release such a report in an own page?
[08:08] <siretart> the template seems to be intended as a general summary
[08:10] <Burgundavia> siretart, mjg59 and myself discussed it. We only need the current stable and a rolling report for the current Colony/Array/whatever Breezy+1 is
[08:10] <Burgundavia> thus we only need one page
[08:10] <siretart> Burgundavia: ah, so you expect 2 pages. Stable and rolling?
[08:10] <Burgundavia> siretart, no
[08:11] <Burgundavia> a single page, with both on it
[08:11] <siretart> ah. I see. will do
[08:11] <Burgundavia> siretart, cheers. #ubuntu-laptop for further discussin
[08:11] <siretart> right. sorry
[08:11] <siretart> I'm not used to that channel yet *g*
[08:11] <Burgundavia> yes
[08:33] <pef> morning
[09:00] <Yagisa1> G'day
[10:00] <pef> why cdbs doesn't update cleanly config.{guess,sub} files ?
[10:01] <pef> It bloats my diff.gz file with diff between upstream tarball and system config.{sub,guess} files :/
[10:16] <\sh> cdbs is evil
[10:21] <siretart> jupp
[10:29] <pef> \sh: upstream tarball sometimes too ;)
[10:30] <pef> especialy when they have already a "home-made" debian layout
[10:37] <siretart> pef: upstreams often have no clue of packaging
[10:37] <siretart> pef: if they had, they would most probably don't include debian/* into upstream tarball
[10:39] <pef> siretart: it's not very easy (for non-developer) to fill an bts for requesting packaging
[10:41] <siretart> pef: it consists mainly writing an email to submit@bugs.debian.org. format of this email is described on http://bugs.debian.org, espc. the part about wnpp
[10:41] <siretart> but well, I see your point
[10:42] <pef> when authors are bored with "and debian package ?" they put a primitiv debian layout into their tarball, and voil
[10:42] <pef> I saw this on some sourceforge forums
[11:02] <Burgundavia> ogra, "Team Burgundavia" indeed
[11:05] <ogra> hehe :)
[11:05] <ogra> you work like 3 at least
[11:05] <Burgundavia> on Wednesday I start work
[11:05] <Burgundavia> thus I will have less time
[11:15] <mbreit> hi all
[11:16] <pef> siretart: how did you get a directory like http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508131655/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ from the upload ?
[11:17] <ajmitch> pef: that's after it was built, I believe?
[11:18] <ajmitch> wb jsgotangco
[11:18] <ajmitch> hi mbreit
[11:18] <mbreit> hi ajmitch
[11:18] <jsgotangco> thanks
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm
[11:18] <jsgotangco> desktop froze
[11:19] <siretart> pef: err, I 'just' do a dpkg-source -x *.dsc after an upload
[11:19] <ajmitch> siretart: ah, so the stamp-* files are a mistake then? :)
[11:20] <siretart> err, sorry?
[11:20] <ajmitch> stamp-autotools-files & stamp-makefile-build don't appear to be in the original diff
[11:21] <ajmitch> I could be quite mistaken..
[11:21] <siretart> ajmitch: that because the were in the .orig.tar.gz
[11:21] <ajmitch> pef: was this one that had an existing debian/ directory?
[11:21] <ajmitch> oh evil
[11:21] <siretart> http://siretart.tauware.de/revu/incoming/kvpnc-0508161105/kvpnc-0.7.2/debian/ doesnt show them anymore, because orig.tar.gz was repackages
[11:21] <siretart> which is right in this case, I think
[11:22] <ajmitch> ok
[11:37] <pef> ajmitch: yes
[11:47] <pef> because of dh_make bug with bzip2 archives #12618, should I use get-orig-source target to recreate a gzipped tarball, or simply doing this by hand ?
[01:02] <pef> does a call to dh_desktop is really usefull when there are no MimeType registered in .desktop file ?
[01:24] <\sh> ogra: ping
[01:47] <ogra> \sh, pong
[01:47] <ajmitch> hey ogra :)
[01:47] <ogra> did everybody notice the CC meeting starts in 15min
[01:47] <siretart> re
[01:47] <ajmitch> yes
[01:47] <\sh> argl
[01:47] <\sh> no
[01:47] <\sh> ,-)
[01:47] <\sh> ogra: i got mail from infinito about gcfilms
[01:47] <ogra> i just recognized it myself
[01:48] <siretart> \sh: do you have the wiki name describing NetworkInstalls?
[01:48] <\sh> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/LocalNet
[01:48] <ajmitch> is there anything we need be available for the meeting?
[01:48] <\sh> ogra: do we get it synced into breezy for universe even after feature freeze?
[01:48] <ajmitch> ah, mbreit on member candidates
[01:49] <siretart> \sh: ah, thanks
[01:49] <ogra> \sh, synced from ?
[01:49] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) hmm
[01:50] (\sh/#ubuntu-motu) ogra: debian...i mean, i have to check it again if it's fixed in debian..but I don't want to have another package to care for right now
[01:50] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) reminds me that I need to ask elmo to sync clamav
[01:50] (ajmitch/#ubuntu-motu) & f-spot once I get it tested ;)
[01:51] <ajmitch> sigh, I'd really like to break the freeze for other packages as well, if possible :)
[01:52] <\sh> actually I want to spend the time to polish the other packages then to sync new stuff in
[01:52] <ajmitch> \sh: all the packages I want are updates (including upstream fixes)
[01:52] <ajmitch> nothing NEW
[02:04] <ajmitch> mbreit: how many of those still need looked at/uploaded?
[02:04] <mbreit> ajmitch: none atm....
[02:05] <ajmitch> ok, great
[02:29] <Nafallo> ajmitch: ;-)
[02:31] <pef> how should I named a newly packaged apps like foo-0.2 ? foo-0.2-0ubuntu1 ?
[02:32] <ajmitch> pef: yep
[02:32] <pef> thanks !
[02:32] <ajmitch> well you put 0.2-0ubuntu1 in the changelog anyway :)
[02:44] <pef> in debian/control, if I use copyrighted names, like Windows or neroBurningRom, should I add (c) or something ?
[02:45] <ajmitch> they're registered trademarks, not copyrighted
[02:45] <ajmitch> so I _think_ it'd either be (R) or (TM)
[02:45] <pef> oups
[02:45] <siretart> I would avoid them if possible, because I don't understand the legal consequences either
[02:45] <ajmitch> but I haven't seen them used
[02:45] <ajmitch> do as siretart says ;)
[02:47] <Mithrandir>  is for registered marks.
[02:47] <Mithrandir> it doesn't really matter, but just avoid them, probably no use in mentioning them
[02:47] <siretart> ah. utf-8 :)
[02:48] <pef> siretart: I'm packaging a tool wich converts a proprietary format (cdrom image files) to ISO format, the program name is CloneCD
[02:51] <siretart> pef: why not write '.. converts images in .foo format (used by some comercial sofware) into .iso images...'
[02:51] <siretart> what format is that? is that somewhat common?
[02:53] <pef> siretart: proprietary format like .doc
[02:54] <siretart> pef: everyone knows .doc format. we are beeing terrorisated very often with that
[02:54] <pef> me too :)
[02:55] <pef> but if I don't include the apps'name into description, a personn who seeks for "clonecd"  will not find anything :/
[02:56] <ogra> but someone whoi searches for cloning CDs will find it if you write "an app for cloning CDs"
[02:59] <siretart> pef: they will find it when they search for the filename extension
[03:00] <siretart> pef: and when they have been given a hint in the forum, of course
[03:00] <pef> ogra: it's just a format converter tool
[03:00] <ogra> pef, you talked about clonecd
[03:02] <pef> ogra: the output format of clonecd ;)
[03:31] <mgalvin> hi all
[03:44] <rbelem> mgalvin, hi ;-)
[03:44] <mgalvin> hi rbelem
[03:50] <HiddenWolf> Hey guys
[03:50] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: hey, I thought you couldn't code?
[03:50] <Treenaks> ;)
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, I can't
[03:51] <HiddenWolf> Yet
[03:51] <ajmitch> hi HiddenWolf
[03:51] <ajmitch> Treenaks: what, you need to be able to code to be in here? :)
[03:52] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, but I'm getting fed up with myself, I'd like to fix those stupid bugs myself, really. :P
[03:52] <Treenaks> ajmitch: no, but we had a discussion about it yesterday in #-nl :)
[03:52] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: first, upgrade to breezy.. :)
[03:52] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: second, ...
[03:52] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: third, profit!
[03:53] <ajmitch> heh
[03:53] <ajmitch> Treenaks: step 2 is pull hair out ;)
[03:53] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, you are aware that my pc is currently without an harddrive, right? ;)
[03:53] <Treenaks> ajmitch: It is?
[03:53] <ajmitch> oh, breezy on usb stick! there's an opportunity for you, HiddenWolf ;)
[03:54] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I'm hoping to have a new drive by the time I drag my tanned ass back to Holland from Rome. ;)
[03:54] <Lathiat> thatd be cool
[03:54] <ajmitch> mm, I'd love to visit Rome some day
[03:55] <ajmitch> my flatmate got to go to rome last year on only a day or two's notice, for a few weeks :)
[03:56] <jamessan|work> yes, Rome is awesome
[03:56] <Treenaks> My next destination is Berlin
[03:57] <Treenaks> HiddenWolf: ?
[03:57] <ajmitch> furthest I've managed to get so far is australia
[03:57] <HiddenWolf> is this a redirect to #ubuntu-travel? ;)
[03:57] <jamessan|work> return visit to Rome aside, I'd love to go to Belgium
[03:57] <Treenaks> ajmitch: can't get much further from here :)
[03:57] <ajmitch> Treenaks: well I'm in NZ, so Australia is fairly close :)
[03:57] <\sh> Treenaks: I will send you my mobile number..so we can catch up in berlin...looks like I will sleep at dholbachs place
[03:57] <HiddenWolf> Treenaks, sabdfl managed. ;)
[03:57] <jamessan|work> HiddenWolf: yup. should I put you in contact with my travel agent?  ;)
[03:58] <ajmitch> HiddenWolf: sure, suggest Rome for the next ubuntu conference :)
[03:58] <Treenaks> \sh: PM it :) I'll add you to my phone immediately
[03:58] <kiko> hey haxors
[03:58] <tseng> morning kiko
[03:58] <kiko> what's going on up north?
[03:59] <tseng> its hot and stuff
[03:59] <HiddenWolf> jamessan, I'm a poor student. :)
[03:59] <jamessan|work> yeah, I was just joking
[03:59] <ogra> kiko, looks like every day there
[03:59] <HiddenWolf> jamessan, I figured. :)
[04:00] <siretart> no smoke signs? ;)
[04:00] <ogra> siretart, not since \sh finished the cigarette
[04:00] <siretart> hehe
[04:01] <\sh> yes...I just saw a shocked treenaks ,-)
[04:01] <ajmitch> hi kiko, tseng
[04:09] <HiddenWolf> ajmitch, I'd happily suggest it, but I'm nobody. :P
[04:09] <pef> when is the next review day ?
[04:09] <ajmitch> 18th
[04:09] <ajmitch> all timezones
[04:10] <Treenaks> ajmitch: whee @ 36-hour days :)
[04:10] <ajmitch> only 36? :)
[04:10] <Treenaks> ajmitch: 24 + 12
[04:11] <pef> thanks
[04:11] <ajmitch> Treenaks: NZ is UTC+12, some pacific islands are UTC-12, iirc
[04:12] <Treenaks> ajmitch: yes (like the islands I work for, .tk :))
[04:12] <ajmitch> so NZ can be 24 hours ahead of them (maybe 23)
[04:12] <ajmitch> already the 17th here :)
[04:13] <ajmitch> so I'll start my review day in < 24 hours
[04:13] <pef> have to go, bye !
[04:13] <ajmitch> bye pef
[04:13] <Treenaks> ajmitch: hm yes
[04:13] <Treenaks> ajmitch: 48-hour days.. don't tell my boss
[04:13] <ajmitch> haha
[04:15] <Nafallo> is sistpoty a member yet?
[04:15] <Nafallo> is there anyone proposed on this list: https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers that is already a member?
[04:22] <Nafallo> siretart: ping ^
[04:22] <siretart> Nafallo: whats up?
[04:22] <Nafallo> siretart: above :-) is sistpoty ubuntu member?
[04:23] <Nafallo> IIRC he is for the work on REVU
[04:23] <siretart> Nafallo: Yes, he is member, but not MOTU yet
[04:23] <Nafallo> siretart: oki, sorting out launchpad with sabdfl ;-)
[04:23] <siretart> ah. i see :)
[04:25] <ajmitch> gar
[04:25] <ajmitch> vegastrike build fail :(
[04:25] <Lathiat> heh
[04:25] <Lathiat> i wa sjust looking at the build log
[04:25] <Lathiat> err
[04:25] <Lathiat> email
[04:26] <ajmitch> yeah, not 64-bit clean
[04:26] <Lathiat> ah
[04:26] <ajmitch> int/pointer issues again
[04:26] <Lathiat> give up, amd64 sucks ;p
[04:26] <ajmitch> error: cast from 'Unit*' to 'int' loses precision
[04:26] <ajmitch> I don't use amd64 :)
[04:26] <Lathiat> heh
[04:27] <Lathiat> em64t then ;p
[04:27] <siretart> ajmitch: try to cast it to long
[04:27] <Lathiat> as do i :)
[04:27] <ajmitch> this is just pasted from the amd64 build log
[04:28] <ajmitch> I'm hoping that it builds for i386 at least :)
[04:29] <siretart> most probably
[04:30] <ajmitch> that's all that matters for me ;)
[04:47] <bddebian> Howdy
[04:48] <ajmitch> hello bddebian
[04:48] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:48] <bddebian> ajmitch: "Borrowed" an additional battery last night so it's ready to ship.. :-)
[04:48] <ajmitch> oh?
[04:49] <bddebian> Yeah if I can get my lazy ass to label it, tape it up, and take it to the post office.. ;-)
[04:49] <ajmitch> heh
[04:49] <ajmitch> and in 2 months, it might show up? :)
[04:50] <bddebian> ajmitch: No, I am going to expedite it if possible
[04:51] <ajmitch> it's not urgent
[04:56] <ajmitch> great, vegastrike built ok on i386 & ppc
[04:57] <Lathiat> cool
[05:16] <persia> I'm curious about Malone: if a bug is entered there, is anyone alerted automatically?
[05:17] <ajmitch> #ubuntu-bugs is notified, I don't think there's automatic assignment to anyone at the moment
[05:17] <persia> OK.  Thanks.
[05:21] <persia> ajmitch: Does this also apply to universe packages?  I'm not finding info on one of my submissions (with a patch, even).
[05:22] <ajmitch> persia: malone is meant for just universe at the moment
[05:23] <ajmitch> what bug did you file?
[05:24] <persia> ajmitch: 1696: insufficient joystick button support in vegastrike (there's also an FTBFS right now - yet unfiled).
[05:25] <ogra> an ftbfs ? i thought ajmitch just solved that one
[05:25] <persia> ogra: it's a different FTBFS: it gets further along in the process...
[05:25] <ogra> ah...
[05:26] <ogra> i wasnt sure anyway if "miscompilation" would translate to ftbfs ;)
[05:26] <ajmitch> ogra: sorry, I did fix FTBFS on i386
[05:26] <ajmitch> should have written FTBFS in changelog :)
[05:27] <ogra> ajmitch, i guessed so...  :=
[05:27] <ogra> :)
[05:27] <ajmitch> 33 joystick buttons? now that's just getting excessive :)
[05:28] <persia> ajmitch: Yeah, well...  It glows blue too!
[05:28] <ajmitch> hehe
[05:28] <ajmitch> I don't have a joystick, so I wouldn't be able to test the patch
[05:28] <ajmitch> I can apply & upload tomorrow though, and hopefully it will work, as you say :)
[05:28] <persia> ajmitch: If you can help me to get it to compile on 64-bit machines, I'm happy to test :)
[05:29] <ajmitch> persia: ah, you have 64-bit machine?
[05:29] <persia> I'm also happy to try to get it to compile.
[05:29] <persia> ajmitch: Well, AMD64: I'm not sure it doesn't drop into 32-bit every once in a while.
[05:30] <ajmitch> yeah, it just FTBFS on amd64, I'll have to write up a patch for that
[05:31] <persia> ajmitch: ia64 as well, from lamont's logs, although I can't verify.
[05:31] <ajmitch> it'll be the same error, trying to fit a pointer into an int
[05:33] <ajmitch> void AggressiveLoopAround(Order* aisc, Unit * un) { Order* broll = new Orders::LoopAround(true,true,false,(int)un);
[05:33] <ajmitch> should not be done on a 64-bit box
[05:34] <ajmitch> easy enough to fix, it's just a matter of how widespread it is through the source
[05:35] <persia> Is it just a case of changing "int" to "long" for each call, and running the compilation again?
[05:35] <ajmitch> yeah, changing the casts
[05:36] <persia> OK.  I'll see about a patch, although if something gets too odd, I've not programmed in long enough I'll have to give up.
[05:36] <ajmitch> :)
[05:36] <ajmitch> thanks
[06:07] <persia> OK.  Vegastrike now compiles for 64-bit machines: only 5 files changed.  Any suggestions on making a nice patch from my edits?
[06:08] <ogra__> use dpatch-edit and attach the patch to a bug :)
[06:08] <Lathiat> persia: compiles=works right? :P
[06:08] <Lathiat> also, it still compiles+works on x86? :)
[06:08] <persia> "No manual entry for dpatch-edit" :)
[06:09] <ogra__> persia, http://tseng.ath.cx/log/?p=7
[06:09] <tseng> at least i did one thing useful
[06:09] <persia> Lathiat: No guarantees of that: given a script, I'll make a patch, and test against the current source for my machine.  After that, someone else will have to test for 32-bits.
[06:10] <ogra__> tseng, <tired sounding>ha ha ha </tired sounding>
[06:10] <persia> ogra__: Thanks.  I'll look there.
[06:10] <ogra__> tseng, nobody takes such statements serious from you ;)
[06:10] <tseng> haha
[06:14] <persia> Ummm...  I'm looking for something a bit more basic.  I know I can generate a patch for a single file with `diff -urN` original.file new.file, but I'm hoping there's an easy way to get the differences from a full build tree (vegastrike patches are all raw diffs).
[06:14] <Lathiat> dpatch-edit-patch
[06:14] <Lathiat> :)
[06:15] <persia> Lathiat: vegastrike doesn't use dpatch.
[06:15] <Lathiat> cdbs? :)
[06:15] <Lathiat> heh
[06:15] <\sh> cdbs-edit-patch
[06:16] <ogra__> persia, its no prob to add dpatch (one line in debian/rules)
[06:16] <ogra__> err, and one dependency in debian/control indeed
[06:16] <ogra__> as the howto says
[06:17] <persia> ogra__: Yes, but it makes the package less clean: there are already a number of raw diffs.  I'll just make 5 patches for this: at least that way I can test the changes :)
[06:19] <\sh> persia: cdbs-edit-patch is your friend
[06:19] <\sh> it does the same job as dpatch-edit-patch but only with raw diffs..but sometimes it's nasty
[06:21] <persia> \sh: OK.  I'm willing to make freinds.  I've five modified files, and would like to generate a single raw diff for test application to the patch directory.  Any generic suggestions that can help me?
[06:21] <Lathiat> persia: get a copy off the old dir then diff -Nru it?
[06:22] <\sh> persia: i do it like this..
[06:22] <persia> Lathiat: That's my current activity...
[06:22] <\sh> untar orig.tar.gz and patch it with the provided patches in debian/patches
[06:22] <\sh> cp orig-dir orig-dir.patch
[06:23] <\sh> modify your source in orig-dir.patch
[06:23] <\sh> and du diff -ur orig-dir orig-dir.patch
[06:23] <\sh> s/du/do/
[06:24] <persia> \sh: That makes sense: I'll probably do that next time, but this being my first time, I had not set up the parallel directories, and just edited files in ./work/... until it compiled.  I'm copying files into parallel structures now.  Thanks anyway.
[06:25] <\sh> use pbuilder :) or create a chroot for such things...
[06:50] <persia> I've now a patch that allows vegastrike to compile on amd64.  Anyone willing to test against i386 or ppc (the current working architectures)?
[06:51] <Lathiat> i can try i386 later
[06:51] <Lathiat> heh
[06:51] <Lathiat> email it to lathiat@bur.st
[06:51] <Lathiat> your dcc is b0rked
[06:51] <Lathiat> coming from an internal ip
[06:52] <persia> Yeah, well, it works sometimes...
[06:52] <Lathiat> well it wont now because its coming from 192.168.92.6 :)
[06:52] <persia> My NAT is a little funny.  No worries.
[07:03] <Yagisan> persia: why don't you use an i386 chroot to test ?
[07:06] <persia> Yagisan: Because I7ve not set up a chroot before, and it's 2am for me :)
[07:07] <persia> Looking at the powermanga build failure: it also looks to be 64 bit cast problems.  Is there a patch in the works, or would one be appreciated?
[07:09] <Yagisan> persia: 3am for me :)
[07:10] <slomo> hi everybody :)
[07:10] <highvoltage> hi slomo
[07:10] <\sh> hey slomo
[07:10] <Yagisan> G'day slomo
[07:10] <tseng> hi
[07:15] <bddebian> Heya slomo
[07:41] <siretart> huhu slomo
[07:41] <siretart> has anyone in here already worked with yada?
[07:43] <bddebian> siretart: Bah, fear nothing :-)
[07:44] <siretart> waah. lyx has gcc4 issues :(
[07:44] <tseng> bddebian: did you ever get mythtv to build?
[07:45] <bddebian> tseng: Yes but you yelled at me for pulling updates from CVS so I didn't do anymore.
[07:45] <tseng> hm but it builds with cvs?
[07:46] <bddebian> I just pulled the updated cvs code and used the same debian/* stuff yes.  Although, I think there could be a couple of simplified rules.
[07:46] <tseng> ok..
[07:46] <tseng> huh
[07:47] <bddebian> The configure stuff in the newer code is better
[07:50] <\sh> ok...bittorrent package is working again
[07:51] <bddebian> \sh: You still rock.. ;-P
[07:54] <\sh> now for bittornado
[08:17] <siretart> \sh: woooho
[08:43] <\sh> yes
[08:43] <\sh> back from phoning with amu :)
[09:25] <mbreit> hi all
[09:25] <Yagisa1> G'day
[09:59] <siretart> err.
[09:59] <siretart> wtf is this yada?!
[10:00] <ajmitch> siretart: ?
[10:01] <siretart> ajmitch: I didn't read to docu yet, it just overwrote my modifications to debian/rules
[10:02] <ajmitch> that doesn't sound good
[10:03] <siretart> hm. the auther seem to have a strange sense for humor :/
[10:03] <siretart> 'yada yada'  - creates template configuration for yada
[10:03] <bddebian> heh
[10:41] <\sh> MOTUS! name a good wifi scanner application
[10:41] <slomo> kismet
[10:41] <\sh> slomo: running as well with madwifi drivers?
[10:42] <slomo> i think so... just try it ;)
[10:42] <mbreit> \sh: runs perfectly with madwifi
[10:42] <ajmitch> worked for me
[10:42] <mbreit> \sh: have used it on my thinkpad with madwifi... no problems
[10:43] <ajmitch> if it doesn't install, ask Nafallo about it
[10:43] <Nafallo> mememe :-)
[10:43] <Nafallo> what? :-)
[10:43] <ajmitch> Nafallo: you fixed & uploaded kismet, right/
[10:44] <Mez> kwifimanager
[10:44] <ajmitch> or was that a 'not yet' due to UVF?
[10:44] <Nafallo> ajmitch: not yet. I'll have to solve libdps1 first. and I'm out of time :-/
[10:44] <ajmitch> ah ok
[10:44] <Mez> anything new for me to do?
[10:44] <Mez> I'm getting a bit annoyed at my comp now
[10:45] <Mez> not in the mood for gaming
[10:45] <ajmitch> Mez: probably plenty :)
[10:45] <Mez> so, thought I might try going back and doing some MOTU stuff
[10:45] <Mez> once I've fixed the breakage
[10:45] <Nafallo> Mez: you could do the libdps1-is-moving-out transition ;-)
[10:45] <Mez> huh?
[10:45] <Mez> brb
[10:45] <Mez> reboot
[10:45] <Nafallo> haha
[10:45] <Nafallo> :-)
[10:45] <Nafallo> ajmitch: jdub here soon? ;-)
[10:46] <ajmitch> what?
[10:46] <Nafallo> ajmitch: you always no where he is :-)
[10:47] <Nafallo> ajmitch: or rather when he is ;-)
[10:48] <ajmitch> no, I don't
[10:48] <ajmitch> *if* he's back in sydney, it's not yet 7am there
[10:48] <Nafallo> hehe, oki :-)
[10:48] <ajmitch> as sydney is only 2 hours behind nz
[10:50] <Nafallo> he usually greet people when he gets online :-)
[10:51] <ajmitch> bbl
[10:53] <\sh> ok...what source do i need for kismet and atheros card (madwifi driver)
[10:54] <ogra> \sh, isnt that already in breezy ?
[10:54] <\sh> ogra: yeah...i mean in kismet.conf ;)
[10:54] <allee> \sh care to try wlassistant? (has a simple scanner)
[10:56] <Mez> \sh, why not use kwifimanager?
[10:56] <slomo> \sh: look at the kismet readme ;)
[10:56] <\sh> slomo: got it :)
[11:02] <\sh> ok..no networks open anymore
[11:03] <Mez> is that good or bad \sh ?
[11:04] <\sh> Mez: for the test it
[11:04] <\sh> 's bed
[11:04] <\sh> bad
[11:04] <\sh> even
[11:04] <allee> wlassistant, works in hoary.  Someone wants to try in breezy? (before revu upload)  deb-src http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/hoary-experimental ./
[11:06] <\sh> anyways...now I no why I don't like gnome...grmpf..
[11:06] <Mez> \sh :P
[11:06] <\sh> changing desktops with ctrl+alt+<left> or <right> is not usable for me
[11:06] <Mez> QOTD: <Keybuk> sweet, I managed to really annoy X by unplugging the mouse during a click
[11:22] <mbreit> \sh: could you upload a passepartout ftbfs fix for me?
[11:23] <\sh> url
[11:23] <mbreit> http://mo42.ath.cx/passepartout_0.6-1ubuntu2.debdiff
[11:26] <\sh> mbreit: on it's way
[11:26] <mbreit> \sh: thanks!!
[11:29] <\sh> mbreit: done...katie should praise u
[11:30] <mbreit> thanks again