[01:28] <cyphase> hey everyone
[06:42] <cyphase> hey everyone
[07:30] <wen> HI ,everybody!
[08:12] <swazo> um. so how many schools/work environments have adapted this?
[10:21] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i got my laptop customs didn't charge any duty but i had to pay 10% VAT which is still a big amount in my currency
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sheesh!
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: is it new or second hand?
[10:22] <jsgotangco> its new
[10:22] <JaneW> jsgotangco: cos surely you don't pay VAT on something that's already paid for?
[10:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, i know
[10:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: you may be able to claim it back.... contact cvd
[10:23] <jsgotangco> but its customs *shrug*
[10:23] <jsgotangco> JaneW, yeah, she gave me a form
[10:23] <JaneW> jsgotangco: are you part of the laptop testing team? or are you just special? ;)
[10:23] <jsgotangco> im on the test team but i don't mind being special soon :)
[10:25] <jsgotangco> im downloading a daily build of the edubuntu iso, lets see if this goes well later
[10:25] <jsgotangco> my first one just didnt work at all
[11:18] <jsgotangco> hmm partitioning is borked?
[11:18] <jsgotangco> it failed miserably *groan*
[11:19] <jsgotangco> im sure i had a good burn
[11:19] <ogra_> stage1 (before reboot) of the installer should be fine
[11:20] <jsgotangco> let me try it again
[11:20] <ogra_> at which speed did you burn it ? 
[11:20] <jsgotangco> 22x
[11:20] <jsgotangco> i always burn on this laptop without any problems
[11:20] <ogra_> heh, never use more then 8x for bootables
[11:21] <jsgotangco> i'll try to burn it again much slower
[11:21] <ogra_> the data is packed very tight...
[11:23] <JaneW> interesting
[11:26] <ogra_> yes... mostly people dont belive you if you tell them :) until they see it working with a slower burn from the same iso
[11:26] <jsgotangco> did you trigger a new build now?
[11:27] <ogra_> no use for that... i'm waiting for a colony before i want to make sure our base works
[11:27] <jsgotangco> ok i'm burning a new one from my recent download
[11:27] <ogra_> colony 3 didnt happen as wanted yesterday... we had a bad Xorg bug (again *sigh)
[11:28] <jsgotangco> yeah
[11:28] <ogra_> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13532
[11:28] <ogra_> but at 3am we had solved it... i dont know why mdz hasnt started a new one...
[11:29] <ogra_> (UTC 1am)
[11:29] <jsgotangco> hmm 0 size
[11:29] <ogra_> yep...
[11:30] <ogra_> the automatic keyboard selection failed....
[11:30] <ogra_> dpkg-reconfigure works fine though
[11:30] <jsgotangco> poor daniels X really is pissing him for months
[11:30] <JaneW> ogra_: what happened with Colony 3 yesterday? I am afraid to ask
[11:31] <jsgotangco> Xorg
[11:31] <JaneW> sorry just read above
[11:31] <JaneW> dang
[11:31] <ogra_> yep :(
[11:31] <JaneW> spoke to jbailey yesterday about a volume bug
[11:31] <JaneW> but I think he said it wasn't too hard to fix
[11:32] <jsgotangco> buggy badger
[11:32] <JaneW> jsgotangco: lol
[11:32] <ogra_> such bugs are trivial (at least for a colony) but bugs that break the install are blockers
[11:32] <JaneW> buggery?
[11:33] <ogra_> Xorg is a heavyweight.... i'm really looking forward to breezy+1 this development cycle was no fun at all compared to hoary
[11:33] <jsgotangco> indeed
[11:33] <JaneW> ogra_: I am kind of glad to hear that - I thought it was just me who thought the fun had evaporated
[11:33] <JaneW> this one is a slog!
[11:34] <JaneW> imagine 6.04 - 5 year stable!
[11:34] <JaneW> loads of pressure
[11:34] <jsgotangco> pitti will be pleased
[11:34] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:35] <ogra_> JaneW, but a lot more time for testing and development if you have a base to build on.... having no Xorg and constantly loosing librarys you need wont happen for 6.04
[11:35] <JaneW> true
[11:35] <JaneW> (I hope)
[11:36] <ogra_> but it was necessary... we have the most beautiful X in the world now... and are ahead of all the others :)
[11:38] <jsgotangco> the X borkage during hoary devel was fun.. X in breezy is no fun at all
[11:39] <jsgotangco> now people end up with awful hacks
[11:39] <ogra_> yep
[11:40] <ogra_> yes, try it...
[11:41] <ogra_> keep the iso around, then you can only rsync the binary changes to it... takes only some minutes, instead of downloading a new iso every time
[11:41] <JaneW> friday - my 3G ADSL cap won;t be happy ;)
[11:42] <jsgotangco> you still have bandwidth caps over there?
[11:42] <JaneW> yes
[11:42] <jsgotangco> wow
[11:42] <JaneW> for INTL traffic anyway
[11:43] <jsgotangco> hmm now on stage 2
[11:43] <JaneW> our telco is screwed
[11:43] <JaneW> we still pay a fortune on local calls
[11:43] <ogra_> most of them are :)
[11:44] <JaneW> they have a monopoly here
[11:44] <jsgotangco> lol
[11:44] <JaneW> he said, ' er it;s not like I had a choice!'
[11:44] <ogra_> hehe
[11:44] <jsgotangco> im not surprised if the call centre staff was from here or from india
[11:46] <JaneW> there's a whole hate sight against them http://www.hellkom.co.za/
[11:46] <JaneW> jsgotangco: actually there was some shady deal with a malaysian telly co
[11:47] <jsgotangco> ouch malaysian telco - monopoly as well
[12:10] <jsgotangco> ogra_, does 0817 build install nicely on you? i got frozen at 85% stage 2
[12:12] <ogra_> gah, tat should have been solved 2 days ago....
[12:12] <ogra_> is it stuck at a language pack ? 
[12:12] <jsgotangco> it must be...im not sure i went downstairs for a bite
[12:13] <jsgotangco> i dont know what is being installed
[12:13] <ogra_> could you look at console 4 ?
[12:13] <jsgotangco> everything is frozen
[12:13] <ogra_> if there is a yes/no question about authentication, you are hit by #13496
[12:13] <ogra_> hmm
[12:14] <ogra_> i'm just burning tha 0817, lest see
[12:32] <jsgotangco> ok i'm just going to pick up my wife at work i'll check again
[12:32] <jsgotangco> later
[12:32] <ogra_> ciao
[02:01] <ogra_> JaneW, oh, we are so near.... only bug 13532 is keeping the CD to be 100% installable... and that is easy to work around after the install.... tomorrows CD will be "edubuntu colony 1" ;)
[02:01] <ogra_> s/to be/from being/
[02:05] <ogra_> morning mpt 
[02:05] <mpt> hi ogra_
[02:06] <mpt> I think I owe you an apology
[02:06] <ogra_> both ogra_s are real btw ;)
[02:06] <ogra_> huh ? what for ? 
[02:06] <ogra_> err
[02:06] <ogra_> huh ? what for ? 
[02:06] <mpt> For being too busy to design anything for you before feature freeze
[02:07] <ogra_> mpt, i was to busy too.... edubuntu has drawn all my time... i'll be happy if even gnome-power makes it into breezy.... dont worry
[02:08] <ogra_> ther is still breezy+1 :) i guess hwdb will stay as is for breezy... probably some bugfixes, but nothing big
[02:36] <JaneW> ogra_: YAY
[02:40] <JaneW> ogra__: what was jeff on about, the meeting is listed on the wiki, and on this # heading, and I ave no put it in #u-m too...
[02:51] <ogra_ltsp> YAY
[02:56] <JaneW> who is in charge of teacher's pet?
[02:57] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, we talked about it last week.... remember ? we likely wont have it in breezy time
[02:58] <ogra_ltsp> but in the end that'd be me...
[02:58] <JaneW> ogra_ltsp: yes I remember - but is that your own tool? I have an e-mail enquiry
[02:58] <JaneW> right I see
[02:58] <ogra_ltsp> http://www.grawert.net/SCP.png
[02:58] <JaneW> I didn;t realise that what you were working on WAS teacher;s pet
[02:58] <JaneW> :)
[02:58] <JaneW> I'll fwd to you
[02:59] <ogra_ltsp> i dont have the time to work further on it... and the tools we reviewed wera all not usable... ita also difficult to make one of the existing tools work with our ltsp implementation, since its revolutionary new
[03:00] <ogra_ltsp> JaneW, i very much would have liked to take the guadalinex tool... but thats writte in gambas which we'll never have in main....
[03:00] <JaneW> :/
[03:01] <JaneW> ogra: such is life...
[03:01] <ogra_ltsp> so thats a no go... teacher tool is not working with our ltsp implementation... and my tool only works half...
[03:01] <JaneW> http://zontik.de/uploads/1116202837_cd.jpg <- a bit rude but funny
[03:02] <ogra_ltsp> my tool would require two or three days of extra work... i'm considering to finish it after the preview is out, then the amount of work is likely to drop... i couls offer it as an addon on people.ubuntu.com
[03:02] <ogra_ltsp> lol...
[03:03] <ogra_ltsp> yes, the norwegians have a funny sort of humor
[03:38] <Petaris> ogra: my sudo seems broken
[03:39] <Petaris> I get a sudo: unable to lookup Ayumi by gethostbyname()
[03:40] <ogra> doesnt happen here...
[03:40] <ogra> is the user in the admin group ? 
[03:40] <Petaris> admin or wheel?
[03:41] <Petaris> I added the user to sudoers
[03:41] <Petaris> I'll check wheell though
[03:41] <Petaris> I'll check wheel too  ;)
[03:41] <ogra> dont edit sudoers
[03:41] <ogra> and there is no wheel group on debian systems
[03:41] <ogra> (or at least there shouldnt be one)
[03:41] <ogra> the admin group is the right place
[03:42] <Petaris> ok
[03:42] <ogra> its enabled for sudo by default
[03:42] <Petaris> ok
[03:42] <ogra> thats what the different profiles in the user-admin tool are for ;)
[03:43] <Petaris> I don't have that tool
[03:43] <ogra> didnt you install it yesterday after my suggestion ? 
[03:47] <Petaris> I didn't know you had?
[03:47] <Petaris> oh, was that the one that wanted to install gnome too?
[03:47] <ogra> gnome-system-tools
[03:48] <ogra> it wont install gnome, only the gnome libs
[03:48] <ogra> but its something you should have....
[03:50] <Petaris> ok
[03:50] <Petaris> I figured out the problem though
[03:51] <Petaris> It wasn't that I wasn't a memeber of the admin group
[03:51] <ogra> if you really have to edit sudoers once (which should never be the case) use visudo and nothig else...
[03:51] <Petaris> I had just forgotten to setup /etc/hosts  lol
[03:51] <Petaris> why?
[03:52] <ogra> because it checks the syntax and cares for stuff... 
[03:56] <Petaris> what syntax?
[03:56] <Petaris> you just add the username
[03:56] <JaneW> bye all back later for meetings etc
[03:56] <Petaris> bye JaneW
[03:59] <ogra> Petaris, just dont do it... the big warning at the top of the file is there for a reason
[03:59] <Petaris> there is no warning, its an empty file
[03:59] <Petaris> or at least it was on my install
[04:00] <ogra> then your install is broken
[04:00] <ogra> # sudoers file.
[04:00] <ogra> #
[04:00] <ogra> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[04:00] <ogra> #
[04:00] <ogra> # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file.
[04:00] <ogra> #
[04:00] <ogra> thats what should be written there
[04:00] <Petaris> hrm
[04:00] <Petaris> thats odd
[04:00] <ogra> yup
[04:01] <ogra> i wonder what else is broken for you then
[04:01] <Petaris> unless its something that gets setup after the language pack
[04:01] <Petaris> which haulted
[04:01] <Petaris> I've done all setup manually after that
[04:01] <Petaris> coming from gentoo, most of that setup is fairly simple :)
[04:03] <ogra> the end target is that you dont have to configure it at all... 
[04:03] <ogra> which works quite well here for todays daily, except on esmall glitch with X autodetection
[04:03] <Petaris> ahh, so it is an install for non-guru users
[04:03] <ogra> but thats already solved and will be ready tomorrow
[04:04] <ogra> its a ubuntu install.... 
[04:04] <ogra> which is aimed at gurus as weel as to non gurus
[04:06] <Petaris> ok
[04:06] <Petaris> Well I'm still working on configuring icewm to my specs
[04:06] <ogra> the default will work for everyone... gurus will tweak it :)
[04:07] <Petaris> I am using idesk for icons on the desktop
[04:07] <ogra> but having a installation ready within 1h and without much interaction out of the box is the main target we have
[04:07] <Petaris> right
[04:08] <Petaris> I personally can't stand icons but users like them :/
[04:08] <ogra> <--- gnome guy
[04:09] <Petaris> I used to like kde
[04:09] <Petaris> but it was too bloated and I always had issues with kserver
[04:10] <ogra> i havent touched KDE since 1.4
[04:10] <Petaris> last I used was 3.2
[04:11] <Petaris> I like enlightenment musch better
[04:11] <ogra> i dont like it
[04:12] <Petaris> I always had problems with sound in kde too, as I used xmms directly with the alsa driver and not through the ksound deamon
[04:13] <ogra> i wonder why everybody still uses such old cruft like xmms there are so many newer and better integrated audio players out there...
[04:13] <ogra> i like rhythmbox and muine...
[04:14] <Petaris> xmms is far nicer than most of the newer ones
[04:14] <ogra> hmm, arguable...
[04:14] <Petaris> its simple, themeable, uses less resources, and stable
[04:14] <ogra> and doesnt integrate anywhere...
[04:15] <ogra> i like it if my player goes out of the way and puts itself into the systemtray to not disturb me
[04:15] <Petaris> lots of ways to do that with xmms
[04:16] <Petaris> look at all the aplets for gnome/kde etc for controlling xmms
[04:16] <Petaris> not to mention you can use it in the console
[04:16] <Petaris> remote control it from anywhere
[04:16] <ogra> sure, after ages of configuring... i dont like to configure my desktop at all... and rather spend my time in development 
[04:16] <Petaris> it takes only a few minutes
[04:17] <ogra> thats the reason why i work on ubuntu and not on gentoo ;)
[04:17] <Petaris> but you must understand I am very minimal on the desktop
[04:17] <ogra> sure... but i dont even like to think about it... i want to click on my ogg file and it should just play for me
[04:17] <Petaris> real graphicy looking things make me gag
[04:18] <Petaris> mine does
[04:18] <ogra> i think ubuntus desktop is very pretty and slim...
[04:18] <Petaris> and for everything else there is mplayer
[04:18] <Petaris> :)
[04:18] <ogra> or totem-xine ;)
[04:18] <Petaris> ubuntu slim?
[04:18] <Petaris> haha
[04:18] <ogra> oh, the voltage doubles
[04:18] <Petaris> ogra: have you tried vlo?
[04:19] <ogra> nope... 
[04:19] <Petaris> er, vlc
[04:19] <Petaris> sory
[04:19] <ogra> whats vlo ?
[04:19] <Petaris> that ones preety good to
[04:19] <ogra> yes... i dont like the widget set.....
[04:19] <Petaris> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
[04:19] <ogra> for streaming i prefer fulendo
[04:19] <ogra> fluendo even
[04:20] <Petaris> never heard of it
[04:20] <Petaris> I use xmms for streaming
[04:20] <Petaris> or mplayer
[04:21] <Petaris> console mplayer of course as the gui for it is ugly
[04:21] <ogra> fluendo is a streaming server working tightly with totem
[04:21] <Petaris> I can't stand totem
[04:21] <ogra> its the best player out there imho
[04:21] <Petaris> tried to get along with it but it kept crashing
[04:22] <ogra> especially the mozilla plugin is neat
[04:22] <Petaris> mplayer plugin for mozilla works well too
[04:22] <Petaris> as does realplayer plugin
[04:23] <ogra> neither for me on amd64
[04:23] <Petaris> grr
[04:23] <ogra> totem works fine though
[04:23] <Petaris> ogra: are you running the x86_64 branch?
[04:23] <ogra> sure
[04:23] <Petaris> ahh
[04:23] <Petaris> I tried that early on but it was very buggy
[04:23] <ogra> only if i test ltsp it runs in i386 mode
[04:24] <ogra> its as stable as every other ubuntu
[04:24] <Petaris> right, emulation mode
[04:24] <Petaris> it wasn't back when I tried it
[04:24] <Petaris> but it was before release
[04:25] <ogra> the only missing bit for me is flash... but i'm not really after it
[04:26] <Petaris> really?
[04:26] <Petaris> flash I didn't have any problemsw with
[04:26] <Petaris> problems even
[04:27] <ogra> there is no 64bit version of flash
[04:27] <ogra> so it doesnt run on amd64
[04:27] <Petaris> did you try compiling openflash?
[04:27] <Petaris> :)
[04:27] <ogra> its buggy as hell...
[04:27] <Petaris> or gplflash or whatever
[04:28] <ogra> yup, tried them all
[04:28] <Petaris> hrm
[04:28] <Petaris> I had not trouble with it
[04:28] <Petaris> worked great
[04:28] <Petaris> but I blew that system away so I couldn't tell you how I did it
[04:29] <ogra> for things newer then flash4 ?
[04:29] <Petaris> oh wait, I know
[04:29] <Petaris> I installed a 32-bit version of ff
[04:29] <Petaris> using the 32-bit emulation
[04:29] <Petaris> thats how I did it
[04:30] <ogra> sure that works... but i dont want to run 32bit...
[04:30] <Petaris> you noticed a small slowdown but not too bad
[04:30] <ogra> thats why i have a 64bit machine
[04:31] <Petaris> I'm not going back to x86_64 until the apps I need can be compiled for it
[04:31] <ogra> which apps ? 
[04:31] <Petaris> some multimedia apps I needed
[04:32] <Petaris> and a few plugins for ff
[04:32] <Petaris> and the was something else that wasn't working but I can't remember what it was
[04:33] <Petaris> actually, I'm quite surprised how slowly some projects are branching to x86_64
[04:36] <Petaris> ogra: Where is that user-admin-tool?
[04:36] <Petaris> I can't find it in apt
[04:37] <ogra> gnome-system-tools
[04:37] <Petaris> oh, thats the package name
[04:37] <Petaris> ok
[04:42] <Petaris> hrmm
[04:42] <Petaris> users-admin just sits there for me
[04:43] <ogra> ran it with sudo ? 
[04:43] <ogra> it needs admin rights
[04:44] <Petaris> It came up with the enter root password dialog
[04:44] <Petaris> ahh, sudo worked
[04:44] <ogra> enter root password ? rather enter *your* password... its sudo based
[04:45] <ogra> it should say that in the dialog...
[04:48] <wen> HI ,everybody!
[04:49] <Petaris> Hello wem
[04:49] <Petaris> er, wen
[04:49] <Petaris> I can't type today
[04:50] <Petaris> ogra: I added another user but the client won't let them login, it just restarts ldm
[04:50] <Petaris> what group do they need to be added to?
[04:50] <Petaris> there is no ltsp group
[04:51] <ogra> it should work out of the box (it does here)
[04:51] <ogra> can you ssh user@localhost with this user ? 
[04:51] <ogra> (on the server_)
[04:52] <wen> i am wondering here everybody is teacher?
[04:53] <ogra> heh, nope
[04:53] <Petaris> by user at localhost you mean that users name right?
[04:53] <ogra> yep
[04:53] <Petaris> ok
[04:53] <Petaris> just a min
[04:53] <ogra> can the user ssh to the server....
[04:54] <Petaris> right
[04:55] <wen> how will skolelinux be after edubuntu realesed?
[04:55] <Petaris> ogra: no I can't
[04:56] <ogra> aha
[04:56] <Petaris> I'm going to try changing the password
[04:56] <ogra> wen, that'd be a question pere can answer
[04:56] <ogra> i dont know the release plans for skole
[04:57] <Petaris> that didn't work
[04:57] <ogra> edubuntu will release around Oct 10th (+/- 5days)
[04:59] <Petaris> ogra: any ideas?
[04:59] <Petaris> my one user can login
[04:59] <ogra> not really... i dont know what eles isnt working on your tweaked system...
[05:00] <ogra> it works fine here in a standard edubuntu setup...
[05:00] <Petaris> hrm
[05:00] <Petaris> I will try a few things
[05:01] <ogra> its very likely that your system didnt get configured through the installaer breakage.... try running base-config again
[05:01] <ogra> (with sudo)
[05:01] <wen> edubuntu will focus on server or desktop? 
[05:02] <ogra> it will be a ltsp standalone setup for one classroom.... (which contains server *and* desktop)
[05:02] <Petaris> ogra: its working now
[05:02] <ogra> additionally you'll have an option to not install the server part, so you have a standalone workstation
[05:02] <Petaris> I feel stupid though
[05:02] <ogra> what was it ? 
[05:03] <Petaris> I didn't hit ok after making the user
[05:03] <ogra> heh
[05:03] <Petaris> I thought it had already made it when it added it to the list
[05:04] <pere> Petaris: skolelinux will still be well ahead of edubuntu when the first release of edubuntu is released.  The out of the box service configuration is state of the art, and it will take some time before edubuntu is close to catching up. :)
[05:05] <ogra> ha ha ha 
[05:05] <pere> Petaris: we are working on a sarge-based release, but I do not know how far of it will be in october.
[05:06] <ogra> pere, we currently only have 3 things you have to adjust.... i'm not even sure if i'll make a edubuntu-config package, since its not necessary
[05:07] <pere> Petaris: we are also cooperating with edubuntu, and try to help this project understand and find solutions to the problems we have discovered and solved, as well as stealing like ravens all the good solutions created by edubuntu. :)
[05:07] <ogra> pere, keep in mind i only have to care for a single machine here
[05:07] <ogra> :)
[05:08] <pere> ogra: yes, edubuntu is picking the low-hanging fruits for the first release.  You will be have to work harder to pick at the next level. :)
[05:08] <ogra> wen, if you want to set up a whole school skole is definately the way to go... for a single classrom like k12ltsp offers it edubuntu will be worth atry
[05:09] <ogra> pere, yes, i'm really looking forward to that one... i guess you can teach me a lot there ;)
[05:09] <pere> ogra: yes.  for small installations, or as "plugins" in a skolelinux network, I expect edubuntu to work just fine.
[05:09] <pere> in kongsvinger, they installed skolelinux servers and fedore clients.
[05:10] <ogra> i think we'll have a good CD tomorrow for a first impression....
[05:10] <ogra> eek... why didnt they take debian or ubuntu, i imagine the maintenance will be easier...
[05:11] <pere> the admin was a fedora man, "certified redhat engineer", and wanted to stay on familiar turf, while at the same time recognizing a good server config when he saw one. :)
[05:11] <ogra> pere, do you guys use wwwconfig-common in your packages ? it got rejected in ubuntu, so i'll have to replace it in moodle...
[05:12] <pere> no, we do not use wwwconfig-common as far as I know.
[05:12] <ogra> hmm... ok
[05:12] <ogra> so letting the change on moodle flow back to debian would make sense for both of us...
[05:12] <ogra> nice :)
[05:13] <pere> yeah.  though I am not up to date with moodle, so I do not know what kind of configuration is needed.
[05:14] <ogra> it uses wwwconfig-common only to add the DB user and create the DB
[05:15] <pere> right.  isn't there some SQL database config tool around for mysql and postgresql?
[05:16] <ogra> isnt that what wwwconfig-common is aimed for ? 
[05:16] <ogra> the idea of this tool is good, just the implementation is crappy
[05:17] <pere> I believe I saw some database-common or -config, or something like that.  do not remember the details.
[05:23] <Petaris> pere: does skolelinux have an ltsp install?
[05:24] <pere> Petaris: working on it as we speak.  Initial test version available and uploaded yesterday.  join #ltsp if you want to test. :)
[05:25] <ogra> pere, bsed on mdz's ?
[05:25] <ogra> based even
[05:25] <Petaris> pere: and does your ltsp branch have a lite-desktop choice
[05:26] <pere> Petaris: what is that?
[05:26] <ogra> pere, icewm or xfce4
[05:26] <pere> Petaris: did you check out lessdisks, btw?  it is similar to ltsp, but more features.
[05:26] <Petaris> pere: I don't want to suck up resources using gnome or kde
[05:27] <Petaris> no
[05:27] <Petaris> haven't heard of it
[05:27] <pere> ah, desktop choice is unrelated to ltsp.  that is on the thin client server.  the thin client just connect to the server and use whatever is on the server.
[05:32] <Petaris> and how to lock it down
[05:35] <ogra> isnt there a ~/.icewm ? 
[05:35] <Petaris> yep
[05:36] <ogra> put it there ;)
[05:36] <Petaris> but I wan't to edit the default template
[05:36] <Petaris> so when a user first logs on they get my modifications
[05:36] <ogra> i guess the default template is in 7etc/skel/.icewm
[05:36] <Petaris> I'll look there
[05:36] <ogra> s/7/\/
[05:37] <Petaris> don't you mean s/7///?
[05:37] <Petaris> ;p
[05:37] <ogra> nope
[05:38] <Petaris> but then you would have \etc/skel/.icewm
[05:38] <Petaris> and not /etc/skel/.icewm
[05:38] <ogra> that'd be s/7/\\
[05:38] <ogra> tyr it :)
[05:38] <ogra> try even
[06:06] <Petaris> How can I have folders and links and such automatically created on first login
[06:06] <Petaris> where would I put that info
[06:06] <Petaris> like the link to the shared storage space
[06:06] <Petaris> and a folder for trash
[06:38] <Petaris> ogra: could you make it so that enter submits the login on your next revision of ldm?
[06:39] <ogra> Petaris, yp, thats planned, and that you dont have the ability to move your mouse out of the window
[06:39] <Petaris> move the mouse out of the window?
[06:40] <Petaris> or do you mean off screen?
[06:40] <ogra> yep, a mousetrap :)
[06:40] <Petaris> ahh
[06:40] <ogra> no over the black part
[06:40] <Petaris> is there anyway to change the background color?
[06:41] <ogra> not yet... and i cant promise we'll have it in v1.0
[06:41] <ogra> i'm planning a config file to be ableto change the theme though
[06:41] <Petaris> so I can't hack a config file then
[06:41] <Petaris> bugger
[06:43] <ogra> not yet... ldm is some weeks old ...
[06:44] <Petaris> ogra: why didn't you just use xdm or something as a base?
[06:44] <Petaris> just curious
[06:44] <ogra> aks mdz, its his tool... i just hacked up the design...
[06:44] <Petaris> ahh
[06:44] <ogra> i know he put a Suggests: in the package for sdm
[06:45] <ogra> but i think thats rather for the X export version we dont use in edubuntu
[06:47] <Petaris> ahh
[06:48] <ogra> the way its now is more secure... encryption all over the place... doing that with a X based display manager would require some very intrusive changes 
[07:59] <Petaris> does anyone here know how to have things automagically created in the users home directory
[07:59] <ogra> write a script and add it to your .xsession ? 
[08:00] <ogra> i would use gnomes session heandling... :)
[08:00] <ogra> but i doubt that helps you for icewm
[08:01] <Petaris> I'll email Paul and see if he has any ideas
[08:02] <Petaris> I know he has stuff like that in k12ltsp
[08:06] <Petaris> is there a list of the educational programs that will be autoinstalled?
[08:06] <ogra> yup
[08:06] <ogra> on the wiki
[08:06] <Petaris> ok
[08:07] <ogra> http://edubuntu.org/ApplicationSelection
[08:07] <ogra> a bunch of this didnt make it...
[08:08] <Petaris> kstarts is awesome
[08:08] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[08:08] <Petaris> er, kstars
[08:08] <ogra> this is the actual list used to produce the CD
[08:08] <ogra> search for "EduBuntu"
[08:09] <Petaris> waht about tux4kids apps
[08:09] <ogra> tuxtype/math/paint are in
[08:10] <Petaris> cool
[08:10] <Petaris> what about their desktop publishing app?  Or is that still devel?
[08:11] <ogra> we have scribus
[08:11] <ogra> only one app for one task...
[08:11] <Petaris> tuxprint would be better for the elementary though
[08:12] <Petaris> hrm
[08:12] <Petaris> actually I like OOo draw
[08:12] <ogra> thats in anyway... 
[08:12] <ogra> ooo2 is the default in ubuntu... we use it in edubuntu too
[08:12] <Petaris> tuxpaint is still too early in devel yet it seems
[08:12] <Petaris> hrm
[08:12] <ogra> tuxpaint is some years old
[08:13] <ogra> but anway, the list is final... 
[08:13] <Petaris> er, I meant tux print
[08:13] <Petaris> not paint
[08:13] <Petaris> tuxpaint is solid
[08:13] <ogra> yup
[08:14] <Petaris> ogra: this is really starting to shape up on my side
[08:14] <Petaris> I might just make my deadline
[08:14] <ogra> yeah
[08:15] <Petaris> I will try to keep track of everything I did so you can use that info with the lite-desktop branch
[08:16] <Petaris> who is in charge of that branch anyway?
[08:16] <Petaris> you said before, but I have forgoted
[08:16] <Petaris> er, forgoten
[08:18] <ogra> he's called vedran... you'll find him in #ubuntu-devel sometimes
[08:23] <Petaris> ogra: ok
[12:01] <mhz> are we ready for this?