[12:03] paolo-: badgers have those groups :-) [12:04] haha. === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] Nafallo: Bugs of the form "This is all completely utterly wrong" don't tend to get fixed, that's not what a bug tracker's good for [12:05] mpt: what about saying what is wrong? [12:06] mpt: what seb128 said :-) [12:06] <\sh> ok...4 hours to sleep [12:06] <\sh> g'night guys [12:06] night \sh [12:06] \sh: goodnight darling :-) [12:06] seb128: Hoary: "The tasks of copying music from a CD in uncompressed format, copying music from a CD in compressed format, playing music on a CD, and playing music on a hard disk are performed with ... four separate programs with four different interfaces: Nautilus, Sound Juicer, CD Player, and Music Player." [12:06] <\sh> oh Nafallo good night kiss please...without this i can't sleep *lol* [12:07] seb128: afaict, Breezy is the same, except swapping Serpentine for Nautilus === Nafallo kisses \sh :-) [12:07] <\sh> now I can dream ;) [12:08] <\sh> gone [12:08] *s* [12:08] mpt: you might play the music with sj now :-) [12:08] mpt: bah, different issue than dnd [12:08] mpt: ... but I see what you mean :-) [12:09] mpt: that was not swapping anything.... you couldnt burn audio CDs at all in hoary [12:11] burning wasn't in that list either :-) === Cimmerian [n=crom@ti131310a060-0003.dialup.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] mpt: andserpentine was the only app that didnt duplicate any functionallity, that was my main reason to promote it... [12:13] ogra__: I'm bothered almost as much by duplicate interface as I am by duplicate function [12:13] mpt: where is either of them in serpentine ? [12:13] Nautilus has UI for moving+copying items, renaming items, deleting items [12:13] rhythmbox can play music and record CDs [12:13] it can burn CDs of files [12:14] there is some patch for CD playing [12:14] yes, thatworks with serpentine too... you can drag and drop audiofiles into serpentine as you can in nautilus [12:14] hm automounting is broken in my clean breezy install === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.160.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] anyone have a bug # for that [12:14] tseng: pitti just uploaded the fix [12:14] haha rock on. [12:14] So almost all the extra that's needed is radiobuttons to choose between "Data CD" and "Music CD" in the burn dialog [12:15] mpt: you have these buttons in the dialog that pops up if you put in a empty CD [12:16] A dialog pops up if you put in an empty CD? :-( [12:16] why not? [12:16] Maybe I'm just badly organized, but I have a bunch of CD-Rs and I forget which ones are empty and which aren't [12:16] So I put them in the computer to find out [12:16] I don't want a dialog popping up for every one. [12:17] yes, isnt it nice, if you catch a empty one you can directly burn to it :) [12:17] how is it supposed to know if you want to record some datas or some music or some photos? [12:17] seb128: By my dragging those kind of files into its window! [12:18] mpt: and you want justoverwrite your beloved titles by default if you put in a CD and click "burn" ? [12:18] ogra__: Sorry, I don't understand what you mean [12:18] "beloved titles"? === GmanZZ is now known as Gman [12:19] mpt: how should nautilus handle your RWs that already have content ? [12:19] mpt what window? [12:19] mpt: f-spot is used for photos by example [12:19] seb128: The CD's window. [12:19] going your path would mean you overwrite the CDRW by default with the titles you drop into the burner window === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-178.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] there is no something like "the" window [12:20] different usecase, different UIs [12:20] seb128: Hooray! That's the problem I'm talking about. [12:20] It's all just putting stuff on a CD. [12:20] not really [12:20] ogra__: No it wouldn't, the existing items would show up in the window [12:20] mpt: so you prefer a app like gnomebaker ? [12:20] f-spot is nice to manage photos for a CD [12:20] or k3b even [12:21] seb128: Yes it is, but again, it annoys me that F-Spot's UI for renaming, deleting, copying etc is gratuitously different from Nautilus's. [12:21] Not that Nautilus's UI is a work of art, it's not [12:21] but neither is F-Spot's [12:21] and it's the inconsistency that annoys me. [12:22] mpt: you expect from a file manager to list exif datas, rotate photos, resize pictures, etc? [12:22] mpt: true, butserpentine was the most consistent choice we could make UI wise === whiprush_ [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] ok, it says to report here. just installed breezy from breezy-install-i386.iso 20050816 and it didn't configure X. the xorg.conf file was empty. after putting in an old one, stuff seems to be running fine [12:23] mpt: else you would see gnomebaker as the default burner... there simply isnt an app like you want yet [12:23] ogra__: I understand that, I know you're just choosing packages from upstream, that's why I didn't report a bug of the form "This is all terribly wrong" [12:24] seb128: Via a plug-in, yes. [12:24] seb128: Like Fontilus, but more sophisticated. [12:24] Cimmerian: only 20050816 ? or was that a 20050816.X ? [12:24] Or like the "Cookies" window in Windows Explorer. [12:25] nautilus is moving away from doing everything to use external apps [12:25] Cimmerian: i'm currently installing 20050816.8 wait 10 min and i can agree or not :) [12:26] seb128: By "everything" you mean displaying documents, right? [12:26] yeah [12:26] it's a file manager [12:26] seb128: And that's good [12:26] not an exif editor [12:26] but I'm not interested in "files" or "exif" [12:26] well, i dl'ed it from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ [12:26] I have various collections of things on my disk [12:26] so you want to edit a photo, use f-spot or whatever [12:27] documents, photos, music, cookies, bookmarks, e-mail messages, address book cards [12:27] And the UI for deleting one of those things (for example) is different in every single case [12:27] it also didn't boot the 2nd stage on first boot in a vmware virtual machine, but i filed a bug on that [12:28] worked on my laptop [12:28] ah, ok... [12:28] Nautilus is still showing me thumbnails of photos, and I can zoom them in and out, but I can't rotate them [12:28] so let's trash the mailer [12:28] and list mails as files and open then with gedit? :) [12:28] seb128: nautilus for mail ? [12:28] heh [12:28] seb128: yes, in the long term === kagou [n=kagou@84.4.160.122] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:29] but that's probably the hardest step [12:29] I'll have switched to an another before that :) [12:29] the easiest is making Nautilus able to burn CDs :-) [12:29] s/another/another OS/ [12:29] I agree on that, that's file copying [12:30] mpt: my inbox holds more then 70000 mails... i dont think a ui like a filemanager would be right for that [12:30] I don't agree on stuff like mail, a mailer is not a file-browser [12:30] s/right/usable [12:32] sure, mail is one of the least definite examples [12:32] because it's almost as much about documents as it is about collections [12:32] I'd just like a "collection manager" instead of a "file manager" [12:33] different file types, different functions, different UIs [12:33] you don't manage mails the same way you manage photos [12:33] or files [12:34] I'd certainly like to be able to apply the same emblems [12:34] or oggs [12:34] eg, merge f-spot functionality into nautilus? [12:34] and to drag mail messages to folders with other documents in them [12:34] ajmitch: Have a plug-in for it [12:35] emblems can be the same, you just have to attach the data to the file [12:35] and that's the plan/what beagle/f-spot do === ogra__ wonders why we have all these strangely named ttf fonts in the default install.... [12:42] mdz: no working Xconfiguration here === rcliii [n=rcliii@cpe-65-26-158-102.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbelem is now known as rbelem-afk [12:42] mdz: not even a xorg.conf [12:43] err, sorry, a 0 byte xorg.conf [12:43] ogra__: install or live, and have you tried to debug? [12:43] works fine for me here [12:44] mdz: i386 install... just finished the install a min ago [12:46] hmm, reconfigure worked fine ... looking in /var/log/debian-installer [12:52] Are we safe to upload now without causing grief to the colony builds? [12:54] yes, 0 byte xorg.conf, that's what i got [12:55] jbailey: no [12:55] hmm, "New updates availabe", that's a big typo smacking you in the face [12:56] ogra__,Cimmerian: no questions asked? [12:56] well, i just let it run and when i got back, it said X could not be started [12:56] grmpf... is there any way to ready base-config.log ? its totally broken, one long line [12:56] mdz: resolution was asked [12:56] so i checked the logs and found a zero-length xorg.conf [12:57] ogra__: that's #13523 [12:57] causing the question to be asked [12:57] but I certainly still got a valid config [12:57] ogra__: check /var/log/casper/post.log [12:58] nocasper... i386 install .... [12:58] mdz: Thanks. [12:58] ogra__: /var/log/installer/* === mdz nudges jbailey gently in the direction of /topic [12:59] I already have one fix that I need to roll into a new CD build; if there are more to be found, now is the time to find them [12:59] mdz: already looked there, grepping for xorg returns nothing.... [12:59] mdz: my best guess was to look in base-config.log [01:00] but this file is totally unreadable [01:00] ogra__: right, I meant base-config.log [01:00] ogra__: search for xserver-xorg === jammcq_office [n=jam@adsl-68-250-145-129.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] nothing.... i guess its best to reinstall and watch the console output.... [01:05] what console output? [01:05] from base-config [01:05] that is what base-config.log is [01:05] the only thing you see on the console is a progress bar [01:06] are you sure you are using the right CD? [01:06] yes, .8 [01:06] from today [01:06] there are no errors in base-config.log [01:06] I got a working xorg.conf on all 3 architectures [01:07] though it asked the mode question each time === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] ogra__: did you not see the progress bar? [01:08] mdz: hey, any idea if the VIA CMOV issue in initramfs is fixed yet? I can't find any mention of the bug in bugzilla [01:08] and i'd like to test another workstation tonight [01:08] mdz: sure... but on tty4 you get the output... [01:08] jammcq_office: it's in bugzilla; let me get the bug number [01:08] jammcq_office: it is definitely not fixed yet [01:09] jammcq_office: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13470 [01:10] Setting up xserver-xorg (6.8.2-49) ... [01:10] xserver-xorg/config/inputdevice/keyboard/model not set. Aborting. Reconfigure [01:10] the X server with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" to correct this problem. [01:10] xserver-xorg postinst warning: error while preparing new Xorg X server [01:10] mdz: thanks [01:10] Cimmerian: what language did you use for the install? [01:11] english language, norwegian keyboard [01:11] ok, must be layout-related then [01:11] dvorak works [01:11] ah, yes, i recognized the german gnome langpacks had to be downloaded, is that intentional ? [01:12] ogra__: unless pitti changed it recently, yes [01:12] that is not a blocker for colony 3 though [01:12] hmm, via cmov issue sounds like the bug i got in -10 [01:12] nope... just an observation === trulux [n=lorenzo@67.Red-80-25-56.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] carstenh: -10 of what? [01:13] mdz: kernel-image-2.6... [01:13] X config being broken for most people is a blocker, though :-/ [01:13] carstenh: that's not an Ubuntu package === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:14] then -8, its the latest ubuntu version [01:14] the latest Ubuntu kernel is linux-image-2.6.12 version 2.6.12-6.10 [01:14] i'll do a reinstall and try to confirm that keyboard thing... my problem i, that the logfile is unusable, its a long single line with tons of escape sequences in it... i cant find a vim replace command to change it... [01:14] and unless you're moving the initramfs from one machine to another or using LTSP, you won't encounter #13470 [01:14] oh, i only remembered the 10, sorry. [01:15] ogra__: less +/xserver-xorg /var/log/base-config.log [01:15] btw, the error was in base-config-pkgsel.log [01:15] ogra__: then press 'n' until you get to the interesting bit [01:16] Cimmerian: i dont have this file [01:16] fun [01:17] mdz: JFYI: i got another error with .6-10 [01:18] Cimmerian: please file this in bugzilla [01:18] carstenh: are you going to tell us what it is? [01:18] mdz: wait a minute [01:18] hmm, i'm blind... === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:21] mdz: "/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off" sorry, i had this on another pc that is 70km away and had to search my backups for the log [01:21] mdz: but there was something before that [01:21] ogra__, Cimmerian: are either of you on powerpc by any chance? [01:21] mdz: that less command works fo you ? [01:21] something i don't remember atm [01:22] mdz: i386 [01:22] same here [01:22] carstenh: sorry, that isn't enough information. file it in bugzilla if you can provide a complete report [01:22] oh, I think I see [01:23] Cimmerian: I think I see the problem, but the right solution isn't obvious, please do file in bugzilla [01:23] ok, will do [01:24] send the bug# and I'll follow up there with my analysis [01:25] jammcq_office: I have it fixed in my tree, waiting for the okay to upload to breezy again. [01:25] Cimmerian: do you have a via samuel too? === cassidy [n=cassidy@f1-pc174.ulb.ac.be] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:26] Cimmerian: and if yes does the latest kernel-image work on your box exept the bug you talked about? [01:26] jbailey: AWESOME [01:27] jbailey: i've added my email to the bug, so i'll get a notification when you update the bug [01:28] hmm, let's fuck up my ubuntu-box with a on my box borken kernel :( [01:28] jammcq_office: 'kay. Would you be interested in testing a deb for me? [01:28] Cimmerian: hmm, on further examination I don't see how this happened === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Client] === mdz [n=mdz@ca-studio-bsr1o-251.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] mdz: Other button. =) === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] jbailey: we've been over this before [01:29] jbailey: control+W is a VERY BAD CHOICE for a shortcut key for "close window" [01:29] Ayup [01:29] when it has traditionally been "delete word backward" [01:29] Cimmerian: any chance you could run through it again with DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=yes? [01:30] Cimmerian: you'll probably need to purge and reinstall it === Elleo [n=Elleo@shellsong.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] mdz: for me the dpkg-reconfigure worked fine.... i think its how base-config runs the x configuration [01:32] but there is definately no error in my logfile... === ogra__ reinstalls and watches the console output of base config on tty4 now.... === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] mdz: unable to find volume group 301 ALERT! 301 does not exist, dropping a shell <- the first error message [01:33] ogra__: set DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=yes [01:33] ok [01:33] I guess you'll need to edit base-config before rebooting or something [01:34] in /target [01:34] jbailey: sure, in about 3 hours [01:34] ah, i cant hand that to the installer ? [01:35] jbailey: do you have something to to with initrd? if yes does volume group 301 tell you something? [01:35] carstenh: I do, and no... Not off hand. [01:36] jbailey: i get this error-message when booting the latest ubuntu-kernel on my via samuel === paolo- is now known as paolo [01:37] jbailey: can you tell me which information should be appended in a bug-report in this case? [01:37] ogra__: it needs to be set in the environment of xserver-xorg.config and xserver-xorg.postinst [01:37] ok [01:38] carstenh: Can you give me the exact text of the error message? [01:39] jbailey: device-mapper initializied .... \n unable to find volume group "301" \n Done. \n ALERT! 301 does not exist. dropping a shell! [01:40] jbailey: I get something similar, but non-fatal and with "hda6" (root device) being interpreted as a volume group name [01:40] carstenh: so I assume you're passing "root=301" on the command line [01:41] jbailey: and then Busybox bla... \n /bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turned off [01:41] carstenh: cat /proc/cmdline ? [01:41] #13532 [01:41] mdz: i use lilo, but the is iirc nothing like this in my lilo.conf [01:42] Ah, lilo remapps the root= to a number. That bug was already filed. [01:42] jbailey: it does not have a keyboard, wait a minute [01:42] carstenh: boot in recovery mode, the kernel prints a line like "Kernel command line: ..." [01:42] i get that unable to find volume group "hdc2" , but the boot continues anyway [01:42] carstenh: No, I think that tells me enough right at the moment that you use lilo. [01:42] Cimmerian: right, because hdc2 is a valid device name [01:42] while 301 isn't [01:43] initramfs and lilo are currently incompatible I think [01:43] s/initramfs/&-tools/ [01:43] ogra__, Cimmerian: I have a patch for you guys to test [01:43] in vmware i get an error, i'll see if i can get a working setup to find what driver is needed fort that later [01:43] ogra__, Cimmerian: just be sure NOT to run dpkg-reconfigure, since that will destroy the state we need to test [01:43] ok [01:43] I guess you can always purge/reinstall xserver-xorg though [01:43] Cimmerian: Cool, thanks. === jbailey goes afk for dinner/ [01:44] jbailey: ... root=301 [01:45] jbailey: auto BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=301 is the complete output of cat /proc/cmdline [01:45] .....copying remaining packages .... *yawn* [01:46] mdz: i guess i don't need to boot the recovery-mode anymore [01:47] could the vmware error be caused by the virtual disk being scsi? === ukjohnd [n=chatzill@host86-131-69-139.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bskahan [n=bskahan@dsl254-074-249.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mantiena [n=AKL@ctv-217-147-42-166.init.lt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ukjohnd [n=chatzill@host86-131-69-139.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:04] ogra__: it would have been sufficient to purge and reinstall xserver-xorg [02:04] i'm nearly done now... === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] mdz: i'm at tty4 now and see a lot of debconf output.... tty1 is waiting for resolution input... anything special i should look for in the debconf stuff? [02:08] ogra__: I'd just like a copy of the debug output [02:09] /var/log/base-config.log is fine [02:09] ok, thats should be in the baseconfig log anyway.... [02:10] haha [02:10] dexconf error [02:10] cannot generate configuration file === sebest [n=chatzill@sebest.ovibes.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:10] mdz: same error as Cimmerian had [02:11] ogra__: please send me the whole log [02:11] yep [02:11] I need the debug output [02:11] you'll get it, dot worry , but i'm happy i could see an error finally.... less wasnt helpful at all [02:11] less works fine for me; I use it on base-config.log all the time [02:12] hmm... searching for xserver did return nothing... but as i said, my logfile is one long singel line.... with tons of escape sequences in it [02:13] no it isn't [02:13] probably caused by my locale [02:13] oh, maybe it is with the progress bar now [02:13] it is... you'll see it [02:13] it's not very useful for it to store the progress bar output; it should save the aptitude output instead [02:14] that'd be ailly, i'd assume it logs the tty4 output, not tty1 [02:14] aptitude has its own log here [02:14] s/ailly/sily [02:14] grmpf [02:14] if it's all escape sequences and no aptitude/dpkg output, then it's almost certainly the progress bar [02:14] you can 'cat' it and see [02:15] anyway, please send whichever log has the xorg debug output in it :-) [02:15] i'll try as soon as the install is done [02:15] yup :) === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] yeah, when i did a grep on the file, i saw the progressbar [02:19] a grep ? [02:20] yes, grep xserver-xorg base-config.log [02:20] oh, scrollkeeper registration seems broken as well... a lot of xml errors suddenly.... [02:21] wow, indeed [02:22] yeah and piping it to less brings up rthe esc sequences.... [02:22] fun to read that... === ogra__ changes laptops === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D780.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jammcq_office [n=jam@adsl-68-250-145-129.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] ogra: can I get that debug output please? [02:26] mdz, snet [02:26] sent even === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:mdz] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with breezy) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/DeveloperResources | Feature freeze! | Colony 3 will release soon: test the current daily and daily-live and report here [02:26] thanks [02:27] had to change to a usable mailer first :) [02:29] ogra: please send /var/cache/debconf/config.dat also [02:29] ok [02:32] this log does not have the debug output from xserver-xorg.config, only from postinst [02:32] hmm, i exported DEBUG_XORG_PACKAGE=yes on top of base-config [02:33] it has part of it [02:33] xserver-xorg config note: autodetected X server driver: mga [02:33] it ends after that [02:33] even though that is only halfway through the script [02:33] mdz, want ssh acess ? [02:33] ogra: ok === mxpxpod [n=bryan@12-207-1-46.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] ogra: you still have my key? [02:37] ogra: I sent it again anyway [02:37] ogra: please file a bug about this: xserver-xorg config note: no video driver modules found in [02:37] /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers [02:37] I think it is unrelated, but seems like a bug anyway [02:38] hmm, maybe not [02:38] those files will never be there on initial install, but will be on upgrades [02:39] it should probably be smarter, but not worth spending time on it right now === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F79A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] GRR === ogra__ [n=ogra@p5089F79A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:50] ok, confirmed the bug [02:50] there is supposed to be a sanity check for this but it isn't working [02:50] ah [02:50] is this in bugzilla yet? [02:51] 13532 [02:51] no idea, only the bug Cimmerian filed i guess... [02:51] yup, thats it [02:55] ogra_: ok, please test if X starts with the current xorg.conf on the system [02:57] eeks... /etc/X11/default-display-manager: File not found [02:57] startx works tough .... with 2 nice xterms [02:59] maybe default-display-manager was broken by my --force-depends action [02:59] but it does generate a config file with my patch [02:59] it worked before... so it must be you [02:59] :) [03:04] uploading xorg_6.8.2-50 [03:04] yay [03:09] mdz, if you dont need me anymore i'd go to bed now (working since 17h) ... [03:10] ogra_: good night [03:10] mdz, could i ask for a favor ? could you trigger a new edubuntu daily if the fix is up ? === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:11] oh good, so the one remaining source import on my list of bugs turns out to be a baz bug [03:11] there had to be one in there somewhere [03:11] console-tools? nobody uses that anyway, right [03:19] quick question. making a small change in a LiveCD (like removing a 2MB package), seems to be a major change in the ISO (i.e. if you rsync, it may take 500MB of changes). anyone know why? [03:21] cause filesystems aren't generally designed to cause minimum changes === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-4-102.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:28] thats when i thought xdelta might help; but it didn't [03:28] ogra_: I think so, yes === mxpxpod [n=bryan@unaffiliated/mxpxpod] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] bytee: the free space in the filesystem still contains the old data [03:29] xdelta isn't actually really any more or less clever than diff === bskahan [n=bskahan@dsl254-074-249.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-173-207-169.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niran [n=niran@cpe-67-10-213-51.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bddebian@pcp08717033pcs.phnixv01.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-46-35.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:52] just a heads up... 20050616.8 i386 install worked just fine for me [03:54] mouse wheel scrolling is still not enabled during the install, gotta go do that myself [04:06] mgalvin: thanks === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-67-173-207-169.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:07] np === JoshRA [i=joshua@krypto.ipv4-157-232.phxaz.wolfnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbelem-afk is now known as rbelem === xhaker is away (Away, bnc logging) === sfvt [n=sfvt@pool-64-223-81-207.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c167094.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kentaur [n=kent@adsl-065-006-206-159.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] AndyFitz! [04:52] mdz: hey, jbailey gave me an updated initramfs package, I installed it. how do I re-generate the initramfs for the ltsp client? === mae [n=mae@dpc674653178.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] jammcq: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.12-6-386 [05:08] mdz: thanks [05:08] jbailey: we probably ought to include a script in initramfs-tools to make that easy [05:09] mdz: For ltsp specifically or just one in general? [05:09] i've got a real nice Via 1ghz machine with PXE that i'm gonna test in a few minutes [05:09] jbailey: one in general, though it's more interesting for ltsp because `uname -r` doesn't give you the kernel you want [05:12] mdz: It would be easy enough to add a default of some sort to assume /boot/initrd.img-${version}. Right now -o is the only non-optional command line. I think I just need to come up with another option of some sort so that running "mkinitramfs" on its own doesn't suddeny cause your bootup files to get overwritten. === mpt wonders which of the ogra_s is the real one === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200217135114.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:14] mdz: what time is it there? [05:15] jdub: 2015 [05:15] thanks [05:16] jdub: TZ=America/Los_Angeles date [05:16] haha [05:16] "oh, underscore" [05:16] :-) [05:19] jdub: TZ=Am/Los ;-) === mdz hugs zsh tightly === SloMo_ [n=slomo@p5487D52C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thoreauputic [n=prospero@wolax7-170.dialup.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === AndyFitz [n=andy@220-245-97-227-qld-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:27] jbailey: if yer still awake, your new initramfs seems to work here :) [05:27] mdz: i fart in your shell's direction! [05:27] mdz: I can boot a Via 1ghz thin client, from power-on, to GUI login prompt in 1:24 [05:28] and you haven't even tuned it for speed yet :) [05:28] jammcq: Awesome! I'm glad it's working! === jdub can't wait until he can do mkinitramfs -o /dev/biosflash [05:29] :-) [05:29] heh === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:29] hrm, ignoring lack of kernel involved in that... ;) [05:29] linuxbios looks really sweet now [05:29] they're using it in missiles [05:30] It's times like these I wish wiki.ubuntu.com's FortuneCookies page wasn't read-only [05:30] I love the way Dan Jacobson not only files lots of trivial bugs [05:30] but duplicates himself [05:37] jbailey: bad news, i spoke too soon [05:37] jammcq: Oh? [05:37] apparently, my Via doesn't have a problem, but sbalneav is still having a problem with his 533mhz via [05:38] I sent him my iniramfs image, and it still fails for him === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106004063d31c4a.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:38] Evening all! [05:38] jammcq: Do you know if it's failing in the same way? [05:38] And speaking of... =) [05:38] jbailey : Fix all my bugs too!!11@@ [05:38] jbailey: Hey Jeff! Yeah, failing the same way. === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:40] sbalneav: So it doesn't drop you to a shell or anytyhing, right? [05:41] hmm, is this the lvm issue? [05:41] sbalneav: Can you please go into an empty subdirectory and do zcat INITRAMFS | cpio -i [05:41] Make sure it's empty, it unpacks in the current directory [05:41] jbailey: No. It doesnt. OK, will do. [05:42] crimsun: The one where it copes poorly with VGs with -'s in it? [05:42]