[01:28] <cyphase> hey everyone
[06:42] <cyphase> hey everyone
[02:04] <jelkner> good morning everyone, there is a meeting about to start here, yes?  (i wanted to make sure i didn't drag myself out of bed for naught)
[02:05] <Treenaks> jelkner: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas
[02:05] <Treenaks> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar
[02:06] <smurfix> jelkner: 1400UTC => in two hours
[02:07] <jelkner> smurfix: thanks
[02:08] <jelkner> JaneW: i thought we had an edubuntu meeting
[02:08] <jelkner> so did paul
[02:08] <ogra_> jelkner, yes, in 12h
[02:08] <ogra_> youre a bit early
[02:08] <ogra_> :)
[02:09] <jelkner> btw that one is not on the calendar
[02:09] <jelkner> or the MeetingAgendas
[02:10] <jelkner> but at least i get to go back to sleep
[02:10] <ogra_> tomorrows CD will be our first colony btw.... todays already looks *very* good
[02:10] <ogra_> (edubuntu colony indeed, not ubuntu)
[02:11] <jbailey> ogra_: Does this mean we still have to avoid uploading today?
[02:11] <jelkner> ogra_: excellent, so you think we can start setting up servers with it?
[02:11] <ogra_> jelkner, you already can do that today... but with much hassle...
[02:12] <ogra_> jbailey, there is no ubuntu colony 3 yet, so i guess you should avoid to upload broken stuff
[02:12] <jelkner> i can live with hassle, but i wanted to be sure i *could* get it to work
[02:12] <jbailey> Mmm, mdz usually likes people to avoid uploading at all so that the images are consistent.
[02:12] <Mithrandir> ogra_: wasn't colony supposed to release yesterday or before that?
[02:13] <ogra_> Mithrandir, yes, but #13532
[02:13] <jelkner> and once we do get it to work, i was hoping to be able to apt-get upgrade my way to the final release
[02:13] <jelkner> so that i can begin setting up the classroom lab for the fall
[02:13] <jbailey> ogra_: That would be bad. =)
[02:14] <jbailey> I'd love to get this initramfs-tools in, then.
[02:14] <ogra_> jelkner, edubuntu ltsp is already usable... i test it twice a week
[02:14] <ogra_> jbailey, do they improve ltsp ? 
[02:14] <jbailey> ogra_: Yes.
[02:14] <jelkner> ogra_: cool! i'll start using it tomorrow
[02:14] <ogra_> jelkner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto
[02:15] <ogra_> just follow that one, you can even use it on ubuntu right away... (still needs a network connection to download the client env, but that will change soon to CD)
[02:15] <jbailey> ogra_: The improvement is that I now forcible install non-optimised libraries, so if you built the initramfs on an i686 with CMOV and the destination machine doesn't have it (old VIA chips), the initramfs will now work.
[02:15] <jelkner> ogra_: the schooltool folks are concerned that 0.10 is still the current version in edubuntu.  is there still time to change that?
[02:16] <jbailey> ogra_: jammcq and another guy tested for me last night.
[02:16] <ogra_> jelkner, i already have mail from mark to update it... i was just busy with fixing moodle and nvu ....
[02:16] <ogra_> jbailey, yes, i saw the conversation... but in the end mdz should give approval for uploads before we have a colony out
[02:17] <jbailey> ogra_: Yup.  Is he the only one?
[02:17] <ogra_> i guess so, Kamion has no representative afaik
[02:17] <jbailey> 'kay
[02:18] <jelkner> well, see you in 12 hours then (jelkner goes back to bed)...
[02:18] <jbailey> I'll pounce when I see him log on, then.
[02:18] <ogra_> i mean, if youre sure it wont break anything or even unbreak stuf....
[02:19] <jbailey> ogra_: I'm sure to the extent that it runs on 5 different machines.  But there's always risk.
[02:20] <ogra_> hmm... i guess its up to you to decide if it improves or breaks... 
[02:20] <ogra_> improvement should go in indeed...
[02:20] <jbailey> ogra_: Given the bugs that it fixes, I'd rather see it in.  Given that he's mid way through the colony process, I'd rather not interfere.
[02:21] <jbailey> So if he's restarting from scratch this morning, I'd cheerfully upload.
[02:22] <ogra_> he sadly didnt tell me anything except "there is no colony3 yet ogra"
[02:22] <ogra_> which stunned me a bit... since the rameining X bug was fixed yesterday night... so todays daily should have been the colony3
[02:36] <JaneW> jelkner: yes we do
[02:37] <JaneW> jelkner at 22:00
[04:25] <Burgundavia> hey all
[04:37] <mgalvin> howdy
[04:37] <mdke> hello all
[04:38] <mgalvin> might as well just start with names for the record
[04:38] <mdke> matthew east
[04:39] <mgalvin> This special meeting is to discuss what will be used as the front page of yelp
[04:39] <mgalvin> so what exactly are all of our options for the front page?
[04:40] <mgalvin> faqguide, quicktour,...
[04:40] <mdke> we have the option to have a list of documentation or to open it up immediately into a book
[04:40] <Burgundavia> we pretty much are only going to able to ship with the faqguide and the quicktour
[04:40] <mdke> to some extent it depends on which documents will be released for breezy
[04:41] <mgalvin> i took a quick look at the aboutubuntu and releasenotes and we can probably include them in some way if they are still relevant to have
[04:41] <mdke> the aboutubuntu document has its own link in the menu right now
[04:42] <mdke> what is the idea for the quicktour?
[04:42] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:42] <mdke> how will that be accessed?
[04:43] <Burgundavia> the quicktour is mostly a marketing doc for the web and hand-outs
[04:43] <Burgundavia> it can also be linked from the about ubuntu stuff
[04:43] <Burgundavia> and the release notes
[04:43] <mdke> yeah
[04:43] <mdke> well if those are the only documents, it might not be so vital to have an index of documents
[04:44] <Burgundavia> yes
[04:45] <Burgundavia> given we havea bout 3 weeks left for writing, even the quicktour is going to be a crunch
[04:46] <mgalvin> so then maybe the faqquide should just be the front page since the other docs are already linked from other places
[04:46] <Burgundavia> if we link the faqguide as the front page, we should a front page for the faqguide that links the other docs (release notes, quicktour, about ubuntu)
[04:46] <Burgundavia> that can be really short
[04:46] <mgalvin> yes agreed
[04:46] <mdke> yes that is a nice idea
[04:48] <mdke> obviously this discussion does not apply to Kubuntu
[04:48] <mdke> what are the issues there?
[04:48] <mgalvin> ok, so faqguide as front page and the faqguide needs another section to link to other docs, this new section should the first thing shown
[04:48] <Burgundavia> jjesse would be one to ask
[04:49] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, just add a paragraph at the top of the current front page
[04:49] <mgalvin> sure
[04:51] <mdke> does anyone think that the early sections of the Userguide might be worth releasing
[04:51] <Burgundavia> no
[04:51] <mdke> they provide a good introduction to what linux, GNU, and Ubuntu is
[04:51] <Burgundavia> oh, sure
[04:52] <jjesse> sorry was in another window
[04:52] <jjesse> i would have to defer to froud on how exactly it works in kubuntu
[04:54] <mgalvin> what kubuntu docs are done?
[04:54] <mgalvin> or will be ready in time
[04:55] <mgalvin> there is very little kubuntu content in the faqguide
[04:55] <jjesse> i know the kuserguide won't be
[04:55] <jjesse> haven't read thrrough the faqguide lately, but if i recall correctly mgalvin  is correct that not much will need to be changed
[04:57] <mgalvin> kug kqg krn kak are the docs that get included in kubuntu already with froud weekly build/upload
[04:58] <Burgundavia> same as ubuntu then
[04:58] <mgalvin> ubuntu only has, rn au faq
[04:59] <Burgundavia> qt is qg
[04:59] <mgalvin> k
[05:00] <Burgundavia> anyone seriously object to using the faqguide as the main page?
[05:00] <mdke> nope
[05:00] <mgalvin> no objections here
[05:00] <Burgundavia> I think jerome was warming to the idea
[05:03] <mdke> ok let's defer to the mailing list, given that not a lot of peopl are around
[05:03] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:03] <mgalvin> ok
[05:03] <mdke> anything else people want to discuss?
[05:03] <Burgundavia> raise it as "lets make the faqguide the default main page"
[05:03] <mgalvin> nope
[05:03] <Burgundavia> rather than "what do people want as the default main page"
[05:04] <mdke> Burgundavia, so pushy...
[05:04] <mgalvin> sounds good, who wants to send the email
[05:04] <Burgundavia> mdke, we need to be pushy now
[05:04] <mdke> ok last call for more agenda items
[05:04] <Burgundavia> mgalvin, your guide
[05:04] <Burgundavia> mdke, none from me
[05:04] <mdke> ok
[05:04] <mgalvin> ok, i'll mail the list in a few min
[05:04] <mdke> end of meeting then
[08:22] <flint> hey jane.!
[08:23] <ogra> flint, you scared her it seems :)
[08:36] <flint> just another case of FITS (Flint Induced Tourette's Syndrome) Ollie...
[08:37] <ogra> :)
[09:16] <Loiosh> That would be.. 4 pm cst?
[09:50] <ogra> Loiosh, what ? 
[09:58] <Loiosh> The Edubuntu developer meeting?
[09:58] <Loiosh> -6 GMT is -6 UTC, I was just trying to figure out the time with my poor, uneducated american mind =)
[10:00] <ogra> Loiosh, looks like we will postpone it, JaneW is ill... and she is the project manager...
[10:00] <Loiosh> Ahh, oh well =)
[10:01] <ogra> i'm only the technician... and i'm not sure what non techie stuff she wanted to discuss
[12:03] <GNULinuxGeek> Hello All...