=== whiprush_ [n=jorge@64.62.190.212] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === segfault [i=carlos@prognus.com.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@adsl-67-116-7-180.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [01:28] hey everyone === ogra [n=ogra@p5089D780.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F79A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nmsa_KL [n=seba@203.121.32.130] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rbelem [n=rodrigo@200217135114.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === cyphase [n=cyphase@69.111.160.232] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [06:42] hey everyone === joolz [n=joolz@kiar.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-185-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === rob^ [n=rob@pdpc/supporter/student/rob-ubuntu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-185-138.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dand [n=dand@gw.datagroup.ro] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === ploum [n=Ploum@86-162.247.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gothcat [i=gothcat@c-459571d5.07-44-73746f50.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Lmnar"] === Simira [n=rpGirl@150.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jelkner [n=jelkner@dsl092-236-069.phl1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:04] good morning everyone, there is a meeting about to start here, yes? (i wanted to make sure i didn't drag myself out of bed for naught) [02:05] jelkner: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas [02:05] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar [02:06] jelkner: 1400UTC => in two hours [02:07] smurfix: thanks [02:08] JaneW: i thought we had an edubuntu meeting [02:08] so did paul [02:08] jelkner, yes, in 12h [02:08] youre a bit early [02:08] :) [02:09] btw that one is not on the calendar [02:09] or the MeetingAgendas [02:10] but at least i get to go back to sleep [02:10] tomorrows CD will be our first colony btw.... todays already looks *very* good [02:10] (edubuntu colony indeed, not ubuntu) [02:11] ogra_: Does this mean we still have to avoid uploading today? [02:11] ogra_: excellent, so you think we can start setting up servers with it? [02:11] jelkner, you already can do that today... but with much hassle... [02:12] jbailey, there is no ubuntu colony 3 yet, so i guess you should avoid to upload broken stuff [02:12] i can live with hassle, but i wanted to be sure i *could* get it to work [02:12] Mmm, mdz usually likes people to avoid uploading at all so that the images are consistent. [02:12] ogra_: wasn't colony supposed to release yesterday or before that? [02:13] Mithrandir, yes, but #13532 [02:13] and once we do get it to work, i was hoping to be able to apt-get upgrade my way to the final release [02:13] so that i can begin setting up the classroom lab for the fall [02:13] ogra_: That would be bad. =) [02:14] I'd love to get this initramfs-tools in, then. [02:14] jelkner, edubuntu ltsp is already usable... i test it twice a week [02:14] jbailey, do they improve ltsp ? [02:14] ogra_: Yes. [02:14] ogra_: cool! i'll start using it tomorrow [02:14] jelkner, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto [02:15] just follow that one, you can even use it on ubuntu right away... (still needs a network connection to download the client env, but that will change soon to CD) [02:15] ogra_: The improvement is that I now forcible install non-optimised libraries, so if you built the initramfs on an i686 with CMOV and the destination machine doesn't have it (old VIA chips), the initramfs will now work. [02:15] ogra_: the schooltool folks are concerned that 0.10 is still the current version in edubuntu. is there still time to change that? [02:16] ogra_: jammcq and another guy tested for me last night. [02:16] jelkner, i already have mail from mark to update it... i was just busy with fixing moodle and nvu .... [02:16] jbailey, yes, i saw the conversation... but in the end mdz should give approval for uploads before we have a colony out [02:17] ogra_: Yup. Is he the only one? [02:17] i guess so, Kamion has no representative afaik [02:17] 'kay [02:18] well, see you in 12 hours then (jelkner goes back to bed)... [02:18] I'll pounce when I see him log on, then. [02:18] i mean, if youre sure it wont break anything or even unbreak stuf.... [02:19] ogra_: I'm sure to the extent that it runs on 5 different machines. But there's always risk. [02:20] hmm... i guess its up to you to decide if it improves or breaks... [02:20] improvement should go in indeed... [02:20] ogra_: Given the bugs that it fixes, I'd rather see it in. Given that he's mid way through the colony process, I'd rather not interfere. [02:21] So if he's restarting from scratch this morning, I'd cheerfully upload. [02:22] he sadly didnt tell me anything except "there is no colony3 yet ogra" [02:22] which stunned me a bit... since the rameining X bug was fixed yesterday night... so todays daily should have been the colony3 === mako_ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@seveas.demon.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:36] jelkner: yes we do === mako__ [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [02:37] jelkner at 22:00 === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:JaneW] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 17 Aug 22:00 UTC: Edubuntu Dev Meeting | 17 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 23 Aug 2000h UTC Tech Board | 24 Aug 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 25 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === doko__ [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-082-215.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko__ [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-082-215.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089F777.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko__ [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-082-215.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Dilago [n=ubuntu@200.128.80.254] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === Dilago [n=ubuntu@200.128.80.254] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === highvolt1ge [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Burgundavia [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:25] hey all === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:37] howdy === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:37] hello all [04:38] might as well just start with names for the record === mgalvin is Matt Galvin [04:38] matthew east === Burgundavia is a a very tired Corey Burger [04:39] This special meeting is to discuss what will be used as the front page of yelp [04:39] so what exactly are all of our options for the front page? [04:40] faqguide, quicktour,... [04:40] we have the option to have a list of documentation or to open it up immediately into a book [04:40] we pretty much are only going to able to ship with the faqguide and the quicktour [04:40] to some extent it depends on which documents will be released for breezy [04:41] i took a quick look at the aboutubuntu and releasenotes and we can probably include them in some way if they are still relevant to have [04:41] the aboutubuntu document has its own link in the menu right now [04:42] what is the idea for the quicktour? [04:42] yes [04:42] how will that be accessed? [04:43] the quicktour is mostly a marketing doc for the web and hand-outs [04:43] it can also be linked from the about ubuntu stuff [04:43] and the release notes [04:43] yeah [04:43] well if those are the only documents, it might not be so vital to have an index of documents [04:44] yes [04:45] given we havea bout 3 weeks left for writing, even the quicktour is going to be a crunch [04:46] so then maybe the faqquide should just be the front page since the other docs are already linked from other places [04:46] if we link the faqguide as the front page, we should a front page for the faqguide that links the other docs (release notes, quicktour, about ubuntu) [04:46] that can be really short [04:46] yes agreed [04:46] yes that is a nice idea [04:48] obviously this discussion does not apply to Kubuntu [04:48] what are the issues there? [04:48] ok, so faqguide as front page and the faqguide needs another section to link to other docs, this new section should the first thing shown [04:48] jjesse would be one to ask [04:49] mgalvin, just add a paragraph at the top of the current front page [04:49] sure [04:51] does anyone think that the early sections of the Userguide might be worth releasing [04:51] no [04:51] they provide a good introduction to what linux, GNU, and Ubuntu is [04:51] oh, sure [04:52] sorry was in another window [04:52] i would have to defer to froud on how exactly it works in kubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@cpc2-lich4-3-0-cust115.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [04:54] what kubuntu docs are done? [04:54] or will be ready in time [04:55] there is very little kubuntu content in the faqguide [04:55] i know the kuserguide won't be [04:55] haven't read thrrough the faqguide lately, but if i recall correctly mgalvin is correct that not much will need to be changed [04:57] kug kqg krn kak are the docs that get included in kubuntu already with froud weekly build/upload [04:58] same as ubuntu then [04:58] ubuntu only has, rn au faq [04:59] qt is qg [04:59] k [05:00] anyone seriously object to using the faqguide as the main page? [05:00] nope [05:00] no objections here [05:00] I think jerome was warming to the idea [05:03] ok let's defer to the mailing list, given that not a lot of peopl are around [05:03] ok [05:03] ok [05:03] anything else people want to discuss? [05:03] raise it as "lets make the faqguide the default main page" [05:03] nope [05:03] rather than "what do people want as the default main page" [05:04] Burgundavia, so pushy... [05:04] sounds good, who wants to send the email [05:04] mdke, we need to be pushy now [05:04] ok last call for more agenda items [05:04] mgalvin, your guide [05:04] mdke, none from me [05:04] ok [05:04] ok, i'll mail the list in a few min [05:04] end of meeting then === mdke [n=matt@unaffiliated/mdke] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Fui] === Burgundavia [n=brian@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.25.192.240] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Seveas] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 17 Aug 22:00 UTC: Edubuntu Dev Meeting | 23 Aug 20:00 UTC Tech Board | 24 Aug 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 25 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === lamont [n=lamont@15.238.5.97] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F777.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doko [n=doko___@dsl-084-059-089-049.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === terrex [n=terrex@84-122-73-155.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === flint [n=flint@static-66-160-92-78.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === sabdfl [n=mark@pdpc/supporter/silver/sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === flint [n=flint@static-66-160-92-78.dsl.cavtel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === FLeiXiuS [n=fleixius@pcp0010489211pcs.essex01.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:22] hey jane.! [08:23] flint, you scared her it seems :) === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [08:36] just another case of FITS (Flint Induced Tourette's Syndrome) Ollie... [08:37] :) === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Loiosh [n=loiosh@216.90.186.147] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [09:16] That would be.. 4 pm cst? [09:50] Loiosh, what ? [09:58] The Edubuntu developer meeting? [09:58] -6 GMT is -6 UTC, I was just trying to figure out the time with my poor, uneducated american mind =) [10:00] Loiosh, looks like we will postpone it, JaneW is ill... and she is the project manager... [10:00] Ahh, oh well =) [10:01] i'm only the technician... and i'm not sure what non techie stuff she wanted to discuss === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ogra] : Agendas: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingAgendas | Calendar: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Calendar | Logs: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ | 17 Aug 22:00 UTC: Edubuntu Dev Meeting !!! postponed to Aug 18 !!! | 23 Aug 20:00 UTC Tech Board | 24 Aug 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 25 Aug 14:00 UTC: Doc Team | 30 Aug 20:00 UTC: Community Council === robitaille [n=daniel@d154-5-117-228.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === GNULinuxGeek [n=ralph@cpe-66-66-152-74.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:03] Hello All... === GNULinuxGeek [n=ralph@cpe-66-66-152-74.rochester.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation]