[02:01] <edwin> someone speak spanish?
[02:03] <mhz> I do
[02:03] <mhz> yo
[02:03] <mhz> :)
[02:06] <edwin> heh
[02:06] <edwin> ola
[02:06] <edwin> lei.. un poco de edubuntu en la web
[02:06] <edwin> quieria averiguar mas
[02:07] <jelkner> ogra: is the edubuntu is ready for use?
[02:07] <edwin> heh.. se fue mhz
[02:10] <jelkner> does anyone know if the edubuntu cd is ready for use/testing?
[03:02] <mhz_vuelvo_luego> edwin: aun estoy en la preparacion de la cena... si me esperas un poco, con agrado te explico lo que necesites :)
[06:07] <mhz> jsgotangco: ping?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> hi
[06:07] <mhz> hi there
[06:07] <mhz> got 3 minutes?
[06:07] <jsgotangco> sure
[06:07] <mhz> ok
[06:07] <mhz> I shoot
[06:07] <jsgotangco> what's up
[06:07] <mhz> Moin/ last time I understood the following:
[06:08] <mhz> Doc team is using SVN because you all need versioning, and DocBook because of its capabilities, right?
[06:09] <jsgotangco> DocBook has been used throughout any technical documentation AFAIK
[06:09] <mhz> However, despite SVN is very good and mature, it is always to work off line and then submit
[06:09] <jsgotangco> and very much centralized
[06:10] <mhz> That forces doc team gung to carry the HD with them all the time, right?
[06:10] <mhz> (if we talk about fans, of course)
[06:10] <jsgotangco> contributors have their machines yes
[06:11] <mhz> Also, SVN forces people to IDLE or others to submit their advances before we know the real time status of their contributions, right?
[06:12] <mhz> IDLE for others.
[06:12] <jsgotangco> im not following you
[06:12] <mhz> hehe
[06:12] <jsgotangco> SVN is being used because everyone in the team is used to it
[06:12] <mhz> SVN is good BUT forces to be people-dependant
[06:12] <jsgotangco> but its not just Edubuntu
[06:12] <jsgotangco> its the whole Ubuntu documentation
[06:12] <mhz> yes, I know
[06:13] <jsgotangco> we've been talking about moving it to Baz in the near future post breezy
[06:13] <mhz> Baz is gonna kick some butts
[06:13] <mhz> Baz is real cool
[06:13] <jsgotangco> because SVN forces us to be dependent on 1 person controlling ACLs
[06:13] <mhz> yes, exactly
[06:13] <mhz> Now we talk
[06:13] <jsgotangco> me and mpt have been doing some Ubuntu Help on Baz but it won't come out for breezy probably
[06:14] <mhz> I am a Translator, ans as such, I always wanted a tool that could let me work both off and on line
[06:15] <mhz> but always keep everything on line, so I can be anywhere with any web browser and work
[06:15] <mhz> MoinMoin lets me do that
[06:15] <mhz> plus its control versioning is very good
[06:15] <mhz> and deals beautifully with ACL's
[06:16] <jsgotangco> if you're talking about a web/browser interface to do documentation, we've discussed that a long long time ago in the docteam but it fizzled out and resulted in a mini-flame war within the community
[06:16] <mhz> LOL
[06:16] <jsgotangco> it needs to be planned ahead
[06:16] <jsgotangco> even the Gnome people have it as a bounty
[06:16] <jsgotangco> i mean Google
[06:17] <jsgotangco> because the problem is social, not technical
[06:17] <mhz> that's why I will do my translations in MoinMoin
[06:17] <mhz> and show a working alternative
[06:17] <mhz> not just the idea
[06:17] <jsgotangco> right
[06:17] <jsgotangco> but i don't think its workable in our time frame
[06:17] <jsgotangco> Sept. 8 is documentation freeze
[06:17] <mhz> my only problem is I am XML ignorant
[06:17] <jsgotangco> we can do so in Breezy +1
[06:18] <jsgotangco> mhz, we can just parse basic docbook tags
[06:18] <jsgotangco> so we have a proof of concept
[06:18] <mhz> so wahteever I do, I know Moin has a Moin 2 XML something, but I have no idea what to do with that output
[06:19] <jsgotangco> probably some Moin script that will transform moin tags to docbook equivalent
[06:19] <mhz> ok, so you say that I just take care of moining the doc and you get it into XML ?
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i know very little of Moin scripting
[06:20] <mhz> np
[06:20] <jsgotangco> i know the ACLs and stuff
[06:20] <mhz> Moin is 100% python
[06:20] <jsgotangco> because a Moin solution will be very welcome in Ubuntu
[06:20] <mhz> and we can always get help from the Moin gang
[06:20] <mhz> (very cool and clever guys)
[06:21] <jsgotangco> a solution like that will benefit not only Edubuntu but the whole documentation project
[06:21] <mhz> Well, actually, I mentioned and you can see it, Moin .po files are being kept 100% wikied
[06:23] <jsgotangco> if you can work something out, we'll see and get the docteam to try it out
[06:23] <jsgotangco> the end result should still be in source docbook as much as possible
[06:23] <mhz> http://moinmaster.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinI18n/es
[06:23] <jsgotangco> and let Moin do the front end
[06:24] <mhz> exactly
[06:24] <jsgotangco> but it should not hamper people from still doing docbook if they want to
[06:25] <mhz> Well, I am hosting a site (always in Moin) in a few days more. this will have info about Edubuntu, Ubuntu, and 2 projects I am working on for Latin american schools
[06:25] <mhz> There, I plan to host a Spanish version of Cookbook
[06:26] <mhz> However, 97% of what we talked now, I am sure it is already done in Moin
[06:26] <jsgotangco> ok inform us when you get it working
[06:26] <mhz> Versioning has always worked perfectly
[06:26] <jsgotangco> i'll just brb for lunch
[06:26] <mhz> np
[06:26] <mhz> I'll go to sleep
[06:26] <mhz> :D
[06:26] <mhz> see ya
[09:33] <highvoltage> I'm updating the tuxlab troubleshooting guide for edubuntu/skubuntu/ubuntu
[09:34] <highvoltage> what would be the best way for a lab administrator to reset their password if they forget it?
[09:34] <highvoltage> (the first user created with admin)
[09:34] <highvoltage> afaik, they'll get a screen asking them for a password if they start into single user mode.
[09:37] <jsgotangco> well in ubuntu, you just reboot the system and when you're in grub you just go into 2nd option of the kernel and you get in automatically as root
[09:38] <jsgotangco> that is in the default install
[09:38] <jsgotangco> then reset your password when necessary
[09:46] <highvoltage> aaah
[09:46] <highvoltage> ok. thanks.
[11:07] <jsgotangco> hi JaneW 
[11:08] <JaneW> hello jsgotangco 
[11:08] <jsgotangco> JaneW, are you feeling better? i heard you were ill
[11:08] <JaneW> jsgotangco: sorry if you got up early for nothing :(
[11:09] <jsgotangco> did yoga cause it? :)
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: yes still a bit fragile (feeling hungover without the pleasure of the fun beforehand)
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: no that was Tuesday, if anything yoga would probably help
[11:09] <jsgotangco> well if you want some good stuff i got edubuntu running now
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: was a migraine, nit sure what triggers mine, I don't get them often
[11:09] <jsgotangco> kinda slow though
[11:09] <JaneW> jsgotangco: my mom and sister get them at least once a month
[11:10] <JaneW> YAY *smile*
[11:10] <JaneW> progress
[11:11] <jsgotangco> wonder if its my machine
[11:12] <jsgotangco> its an old 1.7Ghz celeron
[11:14] <ogra> jsgotangco, i test on a PIII 900 here... doesnt feel slow normally
[11:16] <jsgotangco> hm,
[11:18] <ogra> still burning the nightly iso... lets see if its caused by the recent one, but i doubt it
[11:19] <jsgotangco> ok i'll rsync this iso and burn again
[11:19] <JaneW> OT: I just did a search to see if I am insane, and it turns out I am not the only one who has the rouble with words and nouns in particular in connection with migraines, http://www.migrainepage.com/dcforum/discussion/3452.html
[11:19] <jsgotangco> you insane?
[11:20] <ogra_> my GF just told me she has this too... my impression was just wrong :)
[11:20] <ogra_> so dont fear youre insane :)
[11:21] <jsgotangco> hmm i just installed colony 3 on a separate machine a few minutes ago and now i get an update notification for a ton of new stuff
[11:22] <ogra_> jsgotangco: did you enable universe ?
[11:22] <jsgotangco> no
[11:22] <jsgotangco> it even has dbus
[11:22] <ogra_> there were quite some uploads since the iso was built...
[11:22] <jsgotangco> ahh
[11:22] <ogra_> yup... see breezy changes
[11:23] <jsgotangco> hmm i just noticed that yelp is now launchpad enabled
[11:24] <ogra_> all gnome apps should be
[11:25] <ogra_> seb128 patched libgnomeui... all apps that use it are launchpad aware
[11:25] <jsgotangco> some games still aren't but we'll see
[11:26] <jsgotangco> probably old stuff
[11:27] <ogra_> not sure if they got rebuilt with te new libgnomeui yet
[12:02] <jsgotangco> brb
[12:23] <ogra_> damned
[12:23] <ogra_> mdz broke edubuntu 
[12:23] <ogra_> GRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[12:48] <JaneW> what why?
[05:16] <highvoltage> hello everyone.
[05:16] <highvoltage> how are things?
[05:21] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[05:39] <highvoltage> ok. let's try that again :)
[05:39] <highvoltage> howzit going?
[06:04] <Petaris> Hi highvoltage
[10:42] <JaneW> hi all
[10:43] <JaneW> mvo just told me that ogra's area has no network atm...
[11:14] <JaneW> *** reminder *** Edubuntu Update meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 45 minutes
[12:01] <JaneW> meetint NOW in #u-m
[12:01] <JaneW> meeting even