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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:JaneW] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. MEETING NOTICE: Next meeting is scheduled for 12:00 UTC Wednedsay 24 Aug on #ubuntu-meeting. | to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
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cyphasehey everyone01:27
ograhi cyphase 01:27
cyphaseanyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?01:27
ogra<-- gremany01:27
cyphasehey ogra01:27
ogragermany even01:27
cyphaselol01:27
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!lilo:*! catbert is passing among you, changing ident fields from I= to i= and N= to n= for consistency03:32
!lilo:*! affected users, about 3,50003:32
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jsgotangcohello03:56
!lilo:*! Hi all. Apparently one of our servers has lost contact with the internet, we're looking at it. Apologies for the inconvenience.05:05
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!lilo:*! Another main rotation server has lost contact; apologies for the inconvenience.05:23
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cyphasehey everyone06:16
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highvoltageIs everyone angry at me? The channel is always quiet when I join :)08:40
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ograhey highvoltage 08:49
highvoltagehi ogra :)08:53
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jsgotangcohi all10:50
jsgotangcoogra: ping?10:51
ograjsgotangco, hi10:54
jsgotangcohi, do we have a final listing already of what's going in and not, what's our best feature/software, etc.?10:54
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop10:55
ograhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server10:55
ograthats what we have in... the commented stuff isnt moved to main yet10:55
ogra90% of the desktop seed is identical with ubuntu10:56
jsgotangcohmm10:56
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JaneWjsgotangco: lol, marilize had the same problem... map it back to US - easier10:58
JaneWlate meetings suck... hard to do everything straight away afterwars, and feel like crap the next day :/10:58
jsgotangcothis doesn't even have a proper $ key10:59
jsgotangcohmm we have mediawiki ok11:08
jsgotangcohmm too bad for moodle and schooltool11:14
ograwhat? that we have mediawiki ? 11:15
jsgotangcoits not commented out11:15
jsgotangcooh wait11:16
jsgotangcowe only have mysql-server11:16
jsgotangco# means waiting main inclusion?11:16
jsgotangcohttp://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server11:16
jsgotangcowhat is edubuntu-server a meta package?11:16
jsgotangcohmm no mail server11:19
jsgotangcothis getting hard11:19
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highvoltageeddie is so idealistic.11:25
highvoltagened flanders for president!11:25
jsgotangco??11:26
jsgotangcosimpsons?11:26
ograjsgotangco, only local transport.... we dont want the teachers to set up a mailserer for a single classroom install.... 11:26
jsgotangcolocal transport meaning internal email?11:28
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jsgotangcoogra: i am having a hard time re-writing our manual in a cookbook context because tuXlab is so full featured and I have very little idea of what we currently have except those that are seeded11:29
jsgotangcostuff like internet access, proxy, etc.11:29
highvoltagesorry! wrong window, I meant to type that in another channel. lol.11:30
ograjsgotangco, we'll have a ltsp environment out of the box, you'll only have to give the ip range for the dhcp server, everything else will be automatically....11:32
ograjsgotangco, the thin client desktop will look like a ubuntu with the additionaly edu apps11:32
ograjsgotangco, you will reach the mediawiki setup page by accessing http://localhost/wiki/, moodle by http://localhost/moodle and schooltool in a similar way...11:33
jsgotangcoi thought those things are not included?11:34
ograjsgotangco, the first user you add will be the admin user, all further added users will be normal users by default, like in ubuntu...11:34
ogranot *yet*, they all have main inclusion reports that are pending review11:34
jsgotangcobut is it safe to say they *will* be included?11:35
ograthey will have to....11:35
Markyhmm..11:35
jsgotangcook im installing the daily now so if i get it right, all ordinary users in the server box are automatic ltsp users11:36
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ograjsgotangco, follow my instructions please... http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting11:37
ograbut you need a thin client for that11:37
ograjsgotangco, its likely that the 20050819 iso is broken again, somehow the iso from yesterday got deleted11:38
jsgotangcook sorry i didnt notice your email on that11:38
jsgotangco:)11:38
ograi'm just trying to sort that....11:38
jsgotangcook so we'll have no messaging server or something similar11:41
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ogranope11:42
ograthe users have evolution, they can point it to every server they like11:42
jsgotangcook so no filtering as well like squidguard11:43
jsgotangcobasically Ubuntu on LTSP11:44
ograyep11:45
ograall other stuff was postponed11:45
jsgotangcoare we still pushing for a gartoon icon set?11:46
ograyep11:47
ograits already propsed for main, just not moved11:47
ograadditionally we might take sabayon for kiosk functionallity11:47
jsgotangcoaren't we affected by feature freeze?11:48
ograwe are, why ? 11:48
jsgotangcojust a thought, so i guess its all about finishing those inclusion reports?11:48
ogrademoting software from universe to main isnt affected by feature freeze11:49
jsgotangcodemote?11:49
jsgotangcopromote11:49
ograyes11:49
ograsorry, wrong term11:49
jsgotangcohmmm11:50
jsgotangcoi just have too much time on my hands lately, that's all :)11:50
jsgotangconight, i'll just come back later dinner first12:19
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=== ..[topic/#edubuntu:JaneW] : Welcome to the discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | Unstable CD image: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/daily/current - first official release due in October 2005. NEXT MEETING: Wed 24 Aug 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | CALL FOR TESTERS: to test our CD see: http://www.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
JaneWhighvoltage: ping02:39
ograJaneW, only 5 yellow ones left :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion02:45
JaneW:))02:47
ograonly the violet ones are my nightmares:)02:48
JaneW2?02:52
JaneWand the red one?02:53
ograthats what moodle causes to be violet... i have to replace the code from wwwconfig-common there02:55
JaneWoic02:56
JaneWcomic relief -> http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=284383002:56
JaneWogra: do you know if highvoltage is testing LTSP?02:57
JaneWogra: also is ThinClientIntegration testing any different in reality to edubuntu testing?02:58
ograyes, a bit, since we get more out of edubuntu testing for edubuntu indeed02:59
ograbut technically its the ame02:59
ograsame02:59
JaneWok02:59
JaneWso the LTSP part is identical?02:59
ograyup02:59
ograbut i'd prefer tests of edubuntu if possible :)03:00
JaneWok03:00
ograstill 19h to go for my iso upload :/03:01
JaneWwell lets encourage ppl to test edubuntu (assuming we can again now?) and then feedback to mdz on LTSP?03:01
ograeven with rsync its not faster03:01
ograas soon as i have uploaded the iso... (19h as i said... but its jumping to 4h from time to tim, so i dont know how serious i can take it)03:02
ogra53%03:02
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highvoltageJaneW: pong03:07
JaneWhello highvoltage 03:08
JaneWhighvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am jyst following up ;)03:09
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highvolt1gesorry about that.03:11
highvolt1geHi Jane.03:11
JaneWogra: contentfiltering...?03:12
JaneWogra: mdz thinks it's deferred - do you agree?03:12
ograyup, was his request03:12
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highvoltagestrange.03:13
JaneWhighvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am just following up ;)03:14
highvoltageJaneW: afaik, yes :)03:15
highvoltageJaneW: I sent him some info, and I'll send him more feedback over the weekend.03:15
JaneWhighvoltage: mdz needs feedback on testing, and more testers...03:15
JaneWhighvoltage: ok great, thanks03:15
highvoltageJaneW: I just emailed elmo about the passwords for the server, he hasn't sent me any details yet.03:23
JaneWmutter03:23
JaneWhack them?03:24
JaneW*joke*!03:24
highvoltagehehe.03:24
JaneWogra: sorry but PowerManagementConfiguration you previously said 1-2 days...03:33
JaneWmatt said  powermanagementconfiguration isn't in desktop yet, but it _might_ be ready to go but just sitting in universe03:33
JaneWis that correct?03:33
ogranope, it needs adjustment... the design is very similar to network manager and it needs similar but easier changes03:35
ograyou can use it as s from universe currently to display the status of all battery driven devices, but you cant manage them03:37
ogras/as s/ as is/03:37
ograi wanted to have it ready over the weekend, but the edubuntu drawbacks were not planned and steal a lot of time now...03:39
ogra(currently i need to work on nvu, but my DSL only gives me about 4k while uploading the CD, i cant even download the source for it at a usable speed)03:40
ogra:(03:40
JaneW:(03:46
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highvoltagewill the edubuntu wiki be merging with the main ubuntu wiki?05:50
ograi think so....05:52
highvoltageogra: the banner on top will then say ubuntu, which is not a problem, i think. or should it say edubuntu?06:13
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ograhighvoltage, rather edubuntu...06:36
highvoltagei wonder if you can have different banners for different pages. maybe a css hack. then again, how would the user choose that it's an edubuntu page or not?06:38
mpthighvoltage: By including "CategoryUbuntu" in the page somewhere (usually at the bottom)06:52
mpter, "CategoryEdubuntu" :-)06:52
highvoltageah, ok.06:58
cyphasedoes anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?07:07
cyphasehttp://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF07:18
cyphasehttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL07:20
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ioio24hello08:51
highvoltagehello ioio24 08:52
ioio24i install ubuntu in a partition of 1GB... i install the server mode because i dont have too much space...08:53
ioio24the Q is:08:53
ioio24How can I now install gnome?08:53
ioio24I must install first "x windows" and then gnome?08:54
highvoltagesudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment should do it, i think08:54
highvoltageit will select the dependencies and stuff you need to run gnome.08:55
ioio24wau...! so simple?08:55
ioio24soo simple?08:55
highvoltageyep08:55
highvoltageah, wait08:55
highvoltageyou could just do08:55
highvoltagesudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop08:56
highvoltageeven simpler :)08:56
ioio24:))08:56
ioio24the apt tool use the cd or internet to do this?08:56
ograioio24, depends how you configure it, if you use apt-cdrom toadd the CD, it will use the CD (see man apt-cdrom)09:05
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!lilo:*! if you're a tor user with a group cloak (i.e., any cloak but "unaffiliated"), and you've been experiencing problems with your group cloak being overwritten by your tor cloak, please message me09:52
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