[01:27] <cyphase> hey everyone
[01:27] <ogra> hi cyphase 
[01:27] <cyphase> anyone here live in the San Francisco bay area?
[01:27] <ogra> <-- gremany
[01:27] <cyphase> hey ogra
[01:27] <ogra> germany even
[01:27] <cyphase> lol
[03:32] !lilo:*! catbert is passing among you, changing ident fields from I= to i= and N= to n= for consistency
[03:32] !lilo:*! affected users, about 3,500
[03:56] <jsgotangco> hello
[05:05] !lilo:*! Hi all. Apparently one of our servers has lost contact with the internet, we're looking at it. Apologies for the inconvenience.
[05:23] !lilo:*! Another main rotation server has lost contact; apologies for the inconvenience.
[06:16] <cyphase> hey everyone
[08:40] <highvoltage> Is everyone angry at me? The channel is always quiet when I join :)
[08:49] <ogra> hey highvoltage 
[08:53] <highvoltage> hi ogra :)
[10:50] <jsgotangco> hi all
[10:51] <jsgotangco> ogra: ping?
[10:54] <ogra> jsgotangco, hi
[10:54] <jsgotangco> hi, do we have a final listing already of what's going in and not, what's our best feature/software, etc.?
[10:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/desktop
[10:55] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[10:55] <ogra> thats what we have in... the commented stuff isnt moved to main yet
[10:56] <ogra> 90% of the desktop seed is identical with ubuntu
[10:56] <jsgotangco> hmm
[10:58] <JaneW> jsgotangco: lol, marilize had the same problem... map it back to US - easier
[10:58] <JaneW> late meetings suck... hard to do everything straight away afterwars, and feel like crap the next day :/
[10:59] <jsgotangco> this doesn't even have a proper $ key
[11:08] <jsgotangco> hmm we have mediawiki ok
[11:14] <jsgotangco> hmm too bad for moodle and schooltool
[11:15] <ogra> what? that we have mediawiki ? 
[11:15] <jsgotangco> its not commented out
[11:16] <jsgotangco> oh wait
[11:16] <jsgotangco> we only have mysql-server
[11:16] <jsgotangco> # means waiting main inclusion?
[11:16] <jsgotangco> http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/edubuntu-breezy/server
[11:16] <jsgotangco> what is edubuntu-server a meta package?
[11:19] <jsgotangco> hmm no mail server
[11:19] <jsgotangco> this getting hard
[11:25] <highvoltage> eddie is so idealistic.
[11:25] <highvoltage> ned flanders for president!
[11:26] <jsgotangco> ??
[11:26] <jsgotangco> simpsons?
[11:26] <ogra> jsgotangco, only local transport.... we dont want the teachers to set up a mailserer for a single classroom install.... 
[11:28] <jsgotangco> local transport meaning internal email?
[11:29] <jsgotangco> ogra: i am having a hard time re-writing our manual in a cookbook context because tuXlab is so full featured and I have very little idea of what we currently have except those that are seeded
[11:29] <jsgotangco> stuff like internet access, proxy, etc.
[11:30] <highvoltage> sorry! wrong window, I meant to type that in another channel. lol.
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, we'll have a ltsp environment out of the box, you'll only have to give the ip range for the dhcp server, everything else will be automatically....
[11:32] <ogra> jsgotangco, the thin client desktop will look like a ubuntu with the additionaly edu apps
[11:33] <ogra> jsgotangco, you will reach the mediawiki setup page by accessing http://localhost/wiki/, moodle by http://localhost/moodle and schooltool in a similar way...
[11:34] <jsgotangco> i thought those things are not included?
[11:34] <ogra> jsgotangco, the first user you add will be the admin user, all further added users will be normal users by default, like in ubuntu...
[11:34] <ogra> not *yet*, they all have main inclusion reports that are pending review
[11:35] <jsgotangco> but is it safe to say they *will* be included?
[11:35] <ogra> they will have to....
[11:35] <Marky> hmm..
[11:36] <jsgotangco> ok im installing the daily now so if i get it right, all ordinary users in the server box are automatic ltsp users
[11:37] <ogra> jsgotangco, follow my instructions please... http://edubuntu.org/EdubuntuTesting
[11:37] <ogra> but you need a thin client for that
[11:38] <ogra> jsgotangco, its likely that the 20050819 iso is broken again, somehow the iso from yesterday got deleted
[11:38] <jsgotangco> ok sorry i didnt notice your email on that
[11:38] <jsgotangco> :)
[11:38] <ogra> i'm just trying to sort that....
[11:41] <jsgotangco> ok so we'll have no messaging server or something similar
[11:42] <ogra> nope
[11:42] <ogra> the users have evolution, they can point it to every server they like
[11:43] <jsgotangco> ok so no filtering as well like squidguard
[11:44] <jsgotangco> basically Ubuntu on LTSP
[11:45] <ogra> yep
[11:45] <ogra> all other stuff was postponed
[11:46] <jsgotangco> are we still pushing for a gartoon icon set?
[11:47] <ogra> yep
[11:47] <ogra> its already propsed for main, just not moved
[11:47] <ogra> additionally we might take sabayon for kiosk functionallity
[11:48] <jsgotangco> aren't we affected by feature freeze?
[11:48] <ogra> we are, why ? 
[11:48] <jsgotangco> just a thought, so i guess its all about finishing those inclusion reports?
[11:49] <ogra> demoting software from universe to main isnt affected by feature freeze
[11:49] <jsgotangco> demote?
[11:49] <jsgotangco> promote
[11:49] <ogra> yes
[11:49] <ogra> sorry, wrong term
[11:50] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[11:50] <jsgotangco> i just have too much time on my hands lately, that's all :)
[12:19] <jsgotangco> night, i'll just come back later dinner first
[02:39] <JaneW> highvoltage: ping
[02:45] <ogra> JaneW, only 5 yellow ones left :) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuMainInclusion
[02:47] <JaneW> :))
[02:48] <ogra> only the violet ones are my nightmares:)
[02:52] <JaneW> 2?
[02:53] <JaneW> and the red one?
[02:55] <ogra> thats what moodle causes to be violet... i have to replace the code from wwwconfig-common there
[02:56] <JaneW> oic
[02:56] <JaneW> comic relief -> http://www.tonight.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=2843830
[02:57] <JaneW> ogra: do you know if highvoltage is testing LTSP?
[02:58] <JaneW> ogra: also is ThinClientIntegration testing any different in reality to edubuntu testing?
[02:59] <ogra> yes, a bit, since we get more out of edubuntu testing for edubuntu indeed
[02:59] <ogra> but technically its the ame
[02:59] <ogra> same
[02:59] <JaneW> ok
[02:59] <JaneW> so the LTSP part is identical?
[02:59] <ogra> yup
[03:00] <ogra> but i'd prefer tests of edubuntu if possible :)
[03:00] <JaneW> ok
[03:01] <ogra> still 19h to go for my iso upload :/
[03:01] <JaneW> well lets encourage ppl to test edubuntu (assuming we can again now?) and then feedback to mdz on LTSP?
[03:01] <ogra> even with rsync its not faster
[03:02] <ogra> as soon as i have uploaded the iso... (19h as i said... but its jumping to 4h from time to tim, so i dont know how serious i can take it)
[03:02] <ogra> 53%
[03:07] <highvoltage> JaneW: pong
[03:08] <JaneW> hello highvoltage 
[03:09] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am jyst following up ;)
[03:11] <highvolt1ge> sorry about that.
[03:11] <highvolt1ge> Hi Jane.
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: contentfiltering...?
[03:12] <JaneW> ogra: mdz thinks it's deferred - do you agree?
[03:12] <ogra> yup, was his request
[03:13] <highvoltage> strange.
[03:14] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz told me last night that you are one of his offical LTSP testers... so I am just following up ;)
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: afaik, yes :)
[03:15] <highvoltage> JaneW: I sent him some info, and I'll send him more feedback over the weekend.
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: mdz needs feedback on testing, and more testers...
[03:15] <JaneW> highvoltage: ok great, thanks
[03:23] <highvoltage> JaneW: I just emailed elmo about the passwords for the server, he hasn't sent me any details yet.
[03:23] <JaneW> mutter
[03:24] <JaneW> hack them?
[03:24] <JaneW> *joke*!
[03:24] <highvoltage> hehe.
[03:33] <JaneW> ogra: sorry but PowerManagementConfiguration you previously said 1-2 days...
[03:33] <JaneW> matt said  powermanagementconfiguration isn't in desktop yet, but it _might_ be ready to go but just sitting in universe
[03:33] <JaneW> is that correct?
[03:35] <ogra> nope, it needs adjustment... the design is very similar to network manager and it needs similar but easier changes
[03:37] <ogra> you can use it as s from universe currently to display the status of all battery driven devices, but you cant manage them
[03:37] <ogra> s/as s/ as is/
[03:39] <ogra> i wanted to have it ready over the weekend, but the edubuntu drawbacks were not planned and steal a lot of time now...
[03:40] <ogra> (currently i need to work on nvu, but my DSL only gives me about 4k while uploading the CD, i cant even download the source for it at a usable speed)
[03:40] <ogra> :(
[03:46] <JaneW> :(
[05:50] <highvoltage> will the edubuntu wiki be merging with the main ubuntu wiki?
[05:52] <ogra> i think so....
[06:13] <highvoltage> ogra: the banner on top will then say ubuntu, which is not a problem, i think. or should it say edubuntu?
[06:36] <ogra> highvoltage, rather edubuntu...
[06:38] <highvoltage> i wonder if you can have different banners for different pages. maybe a css hack. then again, how would the user choose that it's an edubuntu page or not?
[06:52] <mpt> highvoltage: By including "CategoryUbuntu" in the page somewhere (usually at the bottom)
[06:52] <mpt> er, "CategoryEdubuntu" :-)
[06:58] <highvoltage> ah, ok.
[07:07] <cyphase> does anyone in san francisco know anything about the explosion that just happened?
[07:18] <cyphase> http://www.kgoam810.com/listenlive/listenlive.pls - will have info about the explosion in SF
[07:20] <cyphase> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/baycitynews/archive/2005/08/19/explosion19.DTL
[08:51] <ioio24> hello
[08:52] <highvoltage> hello ioio24 
[08:53] <ioio24> i install ubuntu in a partition of 1GB... i install the server mode because i dont have too much space...
[08:53] <ioio24> the Q is:
[08:53] <ioio24> How can I now install gnome?
[08:54] <ioio24> I must install first "x windows" and then gnome?
[08:54] <highvoltage> sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment should do it, i think
[08:55] <highvoltage> it will select the dependencies and stuff you need to run gnome.
[08:55] <ioio24> wau...! so simple?
[08:55] <ioio24> soo simple?
[08:55] <highvoltage> yep
[08:55] <highvoltage> ah, wait
[08:55] <highvoltage> you could just do
[08:56] <highvoltage> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[08:56] <highvoltage> even simpler :)
[08:56] <ioio24> :))
[08:56] <ioio24> the apt tool use the cd or internet to do this?
[09:05] <ogra> ioio24, depends how you configure it, if you use apt-cdrom toadd the CD, it will use the CD (see man apt-cdrom)
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